From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #879 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 10 2002 Volume 03 : Number 879 In this issue: - Fantomas/Melvins Monsterwork 2000 the bluenoiseband knows where you live... where do we sign up for this list? Re: where do we sign up for this list? Experimental and human voice compilation (Browne, Gibson, Lucier, Cage) sun ra's. . .philosophies Re: sun ra's. . .philosophies Re: sun ra's. . .philosophies macmusic Re: macmusic Re: macmusic Re: new CD - and it looks good too! Re: furthur Re: Yoshihide - Dreams ProTools (was: macmusic) RE: sun ra's. . .philosophies Re: new CD - and it looks good too! Re: Yoshihide - Dreams Re: Douglas' orchestral work Phew & CAN Re: macmusic Re: sun ra's. . .philosophies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Theo Klaase Subject: Fantomas/Melvins Monsterwork 2000 Don't buy this record. It's really not worth even the discounted price. I'm a big fan of both Fantomas and the Melvins but the (A) sound quality and (B) the number of musicians playing make the Monsterwork a literal mess... "Mess" is really a good word for it. Maybe "soup" would be too. I really love Fantomas and the Melvins, so it pains me to say this but the ablum leaves a lot to be desired. It's just dreadful. ...and disappointing. By the way - the Melvins songs on the album are NOT from the Trilogy they released on Ipecac. Anyone that doesn't have "The Maggot" should give it a listen... ===== - -That which is Theo Insofar as the coercive powers of government are to be used to insure that particular people get particular things, it requires a kind of discrimination between, and an unequal treatment of, different people which is irreconcilable with a free society. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:08:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Benton Subject: the bluenoiseband knows where you live... I hope everyone will forgive this modest promotional interruption - I'm hitting the road on Thursday with my group the Blue Noise Band and just wanted to get the word out to what might be a potentially interested group of listeners. We peddle a noisy jazz/whatever/rock stew that might be vaguely "downtown" if we weren't from, you know, Texas. It's confusing. I'll quit rambling before I lose any more ground here, but I've included dates below, audio and further info on the shows can be found at www.bluenoiseband.com. Thu 11 Baton Rouge, LA @ The Bayou Fri 12 Atlanta, GA @ Eyedrum Sat 13 Athens, GA @ Tasty World Sun 14 Washington, DC @ Grog & Tankard Mon 15 New York, NY @ Tonic Wed 17 Buffalo, NY @ Nietzsche's Thu 18 Chicago, IL @ The Hideout Fri 19 Bloomington, IL @ Crazy Planet Kitchen Sat 20 Kansas City, MO @ The Pub Please return to your regularly scheduled Zornery... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:04:31 -0500 From: "Andrew" Subject: where do we sign up for this list? Hey everyone.... A friend of mine wants to join this fine Zorn list, but I can't remember where I signed up for it. What's the web-page? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:37:12 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: where do we sign up for this list? At 05:04 PM 4/9/02 -0500, Andrew wrote: > >A friend of mine wants to join this fine Zorn list, but I can't remember >where I signed up for it. What's the web-page? http://www.browbeat.com/zornlist/faq.html - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:48:29 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Experimental and human voice compilation (Browne, Gibson, Lucier, Cage) Does anybody on the list can comment of this compilation? Here is the blurb from F.E.: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "NEW RELEASES FOR THE WEEK OF 03/18/02 ELEGUA RECORDS: VA: Subtropics Vol. 1: Breath CD (ELE 005). "For thirteen years, the Subtropics Festival has been the premiere showcase for experimental music in Miami. The first in a series of CD's compiling live recordings from the festival's digital archives, this collection revolves around the sounds of the human voice and includes brilliant performances by Robert Dick, Earle Browne, John Gibson, Needle & Sony Mao, Tom Buckner and Alvin Lucier ("Music For Baritone and Slow Sweep Pure Wave Oscillators"), Gustavo Matamoros and Bob Gregory, and John Cage ("Empty Words"). Individually sealed in a numbered first edition of 1000, the CD's are packaged in stamped clear plastic boxes with screen-printed clear acetate inserts. This is a collector's item for any listener interested in work of the seminal and emerging figures in modern music heard every year at the Subtropics Festival." $13.00" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:49:58 -0700 From: "serge dautricourt" Subject: sun ra's. . .philosophies I bought the A JOYFUL NOISE video and was really suprized what sun ra had to say. it seemed to me pretty lame and shallow. . . also his bandmates made it look like a sort cult. .. so, is he really like that or is he trying to fool us. .? am i missing something? Thanks in advance. serge np: cosmic tones _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:59:22 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: sun ra's. . .philosophies >>>. .. so, is he really like that or is he trying to fool us. .? am i missing something?<<< The past sure is tense. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:09:38 -0700 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: sun ra's. . .philosophies on 4/9/02 5:49 PM, serge dautricourt at sergedautricourt@hotmail.com wrote: > I bought the A JOYFUL NOISE video and was really suprized what sun ra had to > say. it seemed to me pretty lame and shallow. . . also his bandmates made > it look like a sort cult. .. so, is he really like that or is he trying to > fool us. .? am i missing something? Thanks in advance. > > serge > Sun Ra was one of the masters, but a grain of salt never hurt anyone when listening to him talk about anything other than music. skip h np: B-52s -- COSMIC THING - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:19:08 +0200 From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: macmusic > Dit bericht heeft een MIME-indeling. Aangezien uw e-maillezer deze indeling niet ondersteunt, is dit bericht mogelijk gedeeltelijk of geheel niet leesbaar. - --MS_Mac_OE_3101275148_146355_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A few weeks ago someone asked a list of pc music sites. But now I'm looking for macintosh music programs. 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- --MS_Mac_OE_3101275148_146355_MIME_Part-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:32:51 EDT From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: macmusic In a message dated 04.10.02 02.21.42, mail@chromasoom.be writes: >A few weeks ago someone asked a list of pc music sites. >But now I'm looking for macintosh music programs. >Any suggestions? depending on what you want to do, there are several pieces of software which are really excellent in my opinion and work beautiful on mac... first is max/msp - it's a great graphically set up algorithmic and general craziness program. definitely takes some learning (lots of it) but can serve as a great tool if it is capable of producing what you want it to... next in my book would be SuperCollider - sort of loosely based on C / C++, object oriented programming language that can generate some of the coolest sound and make some of the coolest ambient soundscape business ever, to sample or make whole pieces out of, and you can also do tons of other stuff like build pieces based on samples and whatnot and process sound, etc. etc. moving on to sequencer based stuff is where i get a little lost but i love ProTools (if you can afford it or hack it or find a hacked copy, it's the best ever for assembly) and Cubase isn't too shabby either. my $.02. love, k8. n.p. - can, 'ege bamyasi' - --- [.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.] k a t e p e t e r s o n c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:42:56 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: macmusic At 09:19 AM 4/10/02 +0200, > chromasoom audio visuele communicatie > wrote: >>>> A few weeks ago someone asked a list of pc music sites. But now I'm looking for macintosh music programs. Any suggestions? <<<< CSound runs on a Mac, as do some of its GUI front ends, http://www.csound.org. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:44:37 -0400 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: new CD - and it looks good too! > in May: > > v/a "156 Strings: Nineteen Totally Original Acoustic Guitarists" cd on > Cuneiform (curated by Henry Kaiser, featuring Richard Thompson, Jim O' > Rourke, Fred Frith, Eugene Chadbourne, Rod Poole, Tisziji Munoz, Nels > Cline, Peter Lang, etc) > New or old recordings? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:32:37 +0200 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: furthur Hello Matt, There are also: Zony Mash, Ponga, Marc Ribot, Critters Buggin, Club D'Elf, Mr. Bungle, etc. In recent time it became the main source of new music for me. Tuesday, April 9, 2002, you wrote to me: MS> is anyone out there using furthurnet (www.furthurnet.com) MS> to share live material? very fast and easy to use MS> it is legal, it says, and I believe it requires artist approval before their MS> materials are included... MS> unsurprisingly, most of the choices so far are jamband-ish -- grateful dead, MS> etc. MMW gets lumped in there MS> BUT, Bill frisell is there as is Sex Mob.. MS> very fast downloads possible MS> feel free to contact me if you have questions. NP: Zony Mash with Elliot Sharp "Live at Knitting Factory 25Sept98 Set II" (CD) - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:24:45 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Re: Yoshihide - Dreams >From: "Bill Ashline" >>From: "Bruno Bissonnette" >>Hey, has anybody heard the new Otomo Yoshihide Jazz Ensemble 'Dreams' cd > >I haven't given it a lot of listens yet, but from what I've heard so far, I >like it a lot. ... I like Phew a lot as well. Particularly >on her work with Anton Fier--the fabulous but stupidly out of print >"Dreamspeed" on Avant... Yeah I too have liked the records with Phew, the 1981 release with CAN, and Fier's Dreamspeed. However, Phew released (2 I think, I have one) cd as "Novo Tono" on Creativemann a few years ago (maybe 5) and the Novo Tono stuff was cut-up pop with Phew overlaid here and there. A couple good tracks but overall not very satisfying. Is "Dreams" any better than "Novo Tono"? David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:27:45 +0200 From: ecirtap@bluemail.ch Subject: ProTools (was: macmusic) you wrote: >moving on to sequencer based stuff is where i get a little lost but i lo= ve > >ProTools (if you can afford it or hack it or find a hacked copy, it's th= e > >best ever for assembly) and Cubase isn't too shabby either. > As far as I know, there is also a free (but with limited functions only) Pro Tools version one can download from the manufacturer's site. patRice (who is currently in Bangkok and therefore has internet accesss...) np: Pantera, Re-Inventing The Steel nr: Ian Buruma, A Japanese Mirror - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:23:25 -0400 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: sun ra's. . .philosophies > I bought the A JOYFUL NOISE video and was really suprized what sun ra had to > say. it seemed to me pretty lame and shallow. . . also his bandmates made > it look like a sort cult. .. so, is he really like that or is he trying to > fool us. .? am i missing something? Thanks in advance. > > serge > >Sun Ra was one of the masters, but a grain of salt never hurt anyone when >listening to him talk about anything other than music. >skip h a grain of salt, perhaps. but read that book "Space is the Place" by Szwed(?) and give a listen to the lecture that accompanied the first edition of "Live at Soundscape" on DIW, and you get the sense that his ideas were alot more coherent than you might have originally thought. and there must be something to a guy who can keep amazing musicians (John Gilmore, Marshall Allen) in his band for 40+ years. sean - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:58:55 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: new CD - and it looks good too! >>in May: >> >>v/a "156 Strings: Nineteen Totally Original Acoustic Guitarists" cd on >>Cuneiform (curated by Henry Kaiser, featuring Richard Thompson, Jim O' >>Rourke, Fred Frith, Eugene Chadbourne, Rod Poole, Tisziji Munoz, Nels >>Cline, Peter Lang, etc) >> > > >New or old recordings? Not sure but I'm guessing (and hoping!) new. Fred Frith has only released very few solo acoustic tracks, and I'm pretty sure O'Rouke never has. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:00:00 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Yoshihide - Dreams >Yeah I too have liked the records with Phew, the 1981 release with CAN, This sounds interesting! Can you provide more info on that ablum? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:36:53 +0200 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Douglas' orchestral work there´s a three hour live broadcast scheduled for the concert, but I don´t think there´s a webstream... www.wdr.de/radio/orchester/rundfunkorchester/konzerte/99_05-12.html Andreas np: Michael Blake Quartet - Elevated (Knit) >From: "patbor" >does anybody know if there will > >be a live broadcast of the world > >premiere of Douglas' orchestral work > >scheduled 27 April? _________________________________________________________________ Testen Sie MSN Messenger für Ihren Online-Chat mit Freunden: http://messenger.msn.de - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:28:06 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Phew & CAN Artist: Phew Album Title: Phew Musicians: Phew, Holger Czukay, Jaki Liebezeit, Conny Plank Recorded: Conny's Studio, 1981 Released on cd: Les Disques Du Soleil Et De L'Acier Catalog: C-DSA 54016 Release date: The cd doesn't say, but I recall early 1990s. I think that the cd is a reissue of an earlier vinyl release. Comments: Not as polished as "Dreamspeed", but just as good. Amazingly the sound is not dated, despite the fact that this is dance music from the early eighties. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:24:26 -0400 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: macmusic At 9:19 AM +0200 4/10/02, > chromasoom audio visuele communicatie > wrote: >A few weeks ago someone asked a list of pc music sites. >But now I'm looking for macintosh music programs. >Any suggestions? Depends on what you want to do. As far as I know, most of the really interesting stuff is still OS 9, but much will run in Classic mode on OS X. You may want to look for some of these: BackToBasics (http://www.reinformation.com/) lets you map System 7 sounds to keys on your keyboard, loop, change pitch, volume, and pan. You can't set loop points or edit the samples themselves, but it's a great way to play them live. (Watch out, though, in that there's an apparent limit of ~15 MB for each sound suitcase--this seems to be an OS thing. And you can't put sounds in the suitcases when you're booted in OS X.) Shareware. I use SoundSculptor II (http://members.aol.com/sculptorii/) a fair amount for editing (OS 9, works in Classic); it has a number of interesting built-in effects. Track length is limited by available RAM. Shareware. I also use Felttip Sound Studio (http://www.felttip.com/) also for editing and for saving longer files to disk, as you're not limited by RAM. And it's OS X-native. Shareware You may want to check out a granular synthesis program called Thonk, which isn't controllable at all, but gives you some very interesting results. (http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Free/FreeMain.html) Freeware. I've also been playing around with the demo of CellSynth (http://www.cellsynth.co.uk/), a very intriguing modular synth modelling program. Shareware. HTH, M - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:05:25 -0700 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: sun ra's. . .philosophies on 4/10/02 5:23 AM, Sean Westergaard at seawes@allmusic.com wrote: > > > > >> I bought the A JOYFUL NOISE video and was really suprized what sun ra had > to >> say. it seemed to me pretty lame and shallow. . . also his bandmates > made >> it look like a sort cult. .. so, is he really like that or is he trying to >> fool us. .? am i missing something? Thanks in advance. >> >> serge >> >> Sun Ra was one of the masters, but a grain of salt never hurt anyone when >> listening to him talk about anything other than music. > >> skip h > > a grain of salt, perhaps. but read that book "Space is the Place" by > Szwed(?) and give a listen to the lecture that accompanied the first edition > of "Live at Soundscape" on DIW, and you get the sense that his ideas were > alot more coherent than you might have originally thought. and there must > be something to a guy who can keep amazing musicians (John Gilmore, > Marshall Allen) in his band for 40+ years. > Totally true, but never discount pure showmanship fr the Sun Ra equation. sh - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #879 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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