From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #900 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, May 7 2002 Volume 03 : Number 900 In this issue: - Re: Waits on Letterman Re: AW: satanism RE: AW: satanism Re: AW: satanism Satanism and the Creative Left Blues for Falasha Fwd: Blues for Falasha Re: wait til tuesday Alice Harry Partch documentary Arto lindsay interview Re: Arto lindsay interview Copenhagen Art Ensemble plays the music of Tim Berne broadcast on Friday Fwd: Re: Arto lindsay interview Re: Wuorinen RE: new Lovely Music record Don Cherry; Actions Re: Blues for Falasha re:pop music +KLF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:53:08 -0700 From: florid oratory Subject: Re: Waits on Letterman supposedly wednesday of this week: may 8th some bay area musicians, among others: ara anderson--trumpet? or drums? colin stetson--confident reeds matt sperry--bass - --GC "Arthur Gadney" asked: > I understand that Tom will be performing on the David Letterman show next > week. Anybody know who he might be using as backup. it's always fun to see > who pops up on these shows from time to time. I saw Cyro Baptista the other > day. He was tearing it up, in some other ways ultra lame pop song. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:59:04 +0100 From: Matthew Moffett Subject: Re: AW: satanism First off, Crowley is not to be taken seriously. He was a poet with a sense of the bizarre, and loved to shock the uptight literati of England. Those who take him too seriously only serve to display their own ignorance (ie Jimmy Page). If born a generation later, Crowley probably would have been a minor surrealist. Second, under what premise do you associate Crowley with the Satanic Church? Any association is tangential at best. It would be like calling Duke Ellington free jazz. Third, most music billed as "satanic" has more to do with Tolkien and Dungeons and Dragons than anything with LeVey or his religion. If a satanic form of music really existed, it would more likely be poppy to bring more people into the fold. It might be an interesting dichotomy to explore as a musician, though. Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this project, or what it sounds like? If nothing else, I'm sure he'd be amused on some level by this debate. Shrouding his music behind lines of transgression is often his method, and I'm sure it's in part just to shake things up a bit. Thorsten Kr=E4mer wrote: > = > Hello Arthur, > = > thanks for your advice. > = > >Read the sources, not the tabloids. > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:11:46 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: AW: satanism Given that I thought much of 'IAO' sounded rather like film music, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the true influence was less Crowley, more filmmaker Kenneth Anger (listed on the disc's obi strip as a Crowley "disciple"). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - 'The American President' on TBS (I'm such a sucker for this sappy film...) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Moffett Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this project, or what it sounds like? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:40:42 -0700 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: AW: satanism Monday, May 6, 2002, 8:16:50 AM, Thorsten wrote: TK> So I guess this is only to be taken on a metaphorical level? Sorta like that cannibalism stuff that happens down to the Catholic outlet every Sunday morning, right? Whole buncha flesh-eaters & blood-drinkers down there, if you believe the script. - -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:26:31 +0200 From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com Subject: Satanism and the Creative Left On the subject of Zorn's supposedly unexpected endorsement of Aleister Crowley and Kenneth Anger, I can only say that, to me, this was rather expected instead of unexpected. If you are interested in the things that Zorn is interested in, which is the entire strain from the dark proto-surrealist romance of Comte de Lautreamont to the cathartic expressionism of Antonin Artaud to the demented porn of the Japanese pinku filmu, then it is only to be expected that, sooner of later, an interest in Crowley and Anger would rear its head. I should note that the ideas of Crowley have a lot of support in what I consider essentially the "creative left". If you look at www.disinfo.com for example, which is an anti-establishment site with strong left-wing connotations, there is a lot of information on Crowley and related subjects. Also, people like comic book writers Grant Morrison and Alan Moore, as well as Robert Anton Wilson, all of whom I regard highly, strongly endorse the ideas of Aleister Crowley. If you have ever seen the movies of Kenneth Anger, then you'll know that he is a brilliant movie-maker, and that his movies should appeal to anyone with a taste for the avant-garde, regardless of whether they endorse satanic ideas or not. It is not for nothing that Anger's name pops up in the same books that treat the works of Maya Deren, Jonas Mekas, and Harry Smith. And if you had a chance to look through Harry Smith's personal library, I am sure you would find every single book that Crowley ever wrote. This is not to say that I endorse satanic views, I would only like to point out that these ideas don't come out of the blue if you consider the subjects Zorn has displayed an interest in over the years. And I don't believe that Zorn turns satanism into campy fun - that would essentially be a reduction of his art to lowly postmodernism, and I don' think that is what Zorn is about (even though it is hard to assess this, because I find it hard to believe any person can deal with the amount of information that Zorn deals with and be able to comprehend it all). Frankco - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 03:20:27 -0400 From: "patbor" Subject: Blues for Falasha Radical Jewish Culture series Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style? Anyone recommends it? Thanks PatB - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:57:58 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Blues for Falasha Hi, The album is wonderful but it's free jazz, with absolutely nothing to do with Jewish music. Not at hand right now, but Larry Ochs and William Winant are also on the album. The sound is pure Spearman but pretty slow-paced, which makes it more intense and original, IMHO. Best, Efrén del Valle > > > Radical Jewish Culture series > Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha > > Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style? > > Anyone recommends it? > > Thanks > PatB > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= Subject: Re: wait til tuesday Hi, I've also been listening nonstop to "Blood Money" since yesterday and it's really good. Certainly, the surprise factor is almost nonexistant, just pure Waits at his best. It seems like sort of a compilation of all his career, with those weird polkas, tarantellas, some latin rhythms, dull ballads, cabaret tunes... As someone said before, it sounds a bit like "Bone Machine" at some moments, but also it makes me think of "Rain Dogs" ("Misery is the River of the World"), "The Black Raider" ("Starving in the Belly of a Whale") and "Frank's Wild Years" ("Coney Island Baby"), etc. To summarize, it's a very good album, much better than "Mule Variations" Imho, since it deals with Waits' darker musical side (the lyrics are depressing!) and really manages to create a weird mood, his strange cabaret concept. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: "blood money" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:27:41 +0100 From: Brian Hickey Subject: Alice I also picked up "Alice" at the weekend. It's a beautiful piece of work. Waits' lyrics are outstanding. There are some great pictures of Wait's in the artwork . . . Highly recomended! > From: Efr=E9n del Valle > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:09 +0200 > To: "Zorn-list" > Cc: "jason tors" > Subject: Re: wait til tuesday >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I've also been listening nonstop to "Blood Money" since yesterday and it'= s > really good. Certainly, the surprise factor is almost nonexistant, just p= ure > Waits at his best. It seems like sort of a compilation of all his career= , > with those weird polkas, tarantellas, some latin rhythms, dull ballads, > cabaret tunes... As someone said before, it sounds a bit like "Bone Machi= ne" > at some moments, but also it makes me think of "Rain Dogs" ("Misery is th= e > River of the World"), "The Black Raider" ("Starving in the Belly of a > Whale") and "Frank's Wild Years" ("Coney Island Baby"), etc. > To summarize, it's a very good album, much better than "Mule Variations" > Imho, since it deals with Waits' darker musical side (the lyrics are > depressing!) and really manages to create a weird mood, his strange cabar= et > concept. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Efr=E9n del Valle > n.p: "blood money" >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 > - >=20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:05:08 +0000 From: "David Evans" Subject: Harry Partch documentary Hi all, If anyone can get BBC4 on their TVs then there is a Harry Partch documentary on tonight at 9pm (repeated 12.30am) BST. Happy viewing and comments please if you get to see it. Dave _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:10:38 +0000 From: "Ricardo Jorge" Subject: Arto lindsay interview Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio show, any interesting sugestions for questions? _________________________________________________________________ Converse com amigos on-line, conheça o MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:52:27 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Arto lindsay interview Hi. >Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio show, any interesting >sugestions for questions? What happened to the solo guitar album he talked about a few years ago? Not to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". Does he think it is morally irrisponsibe to first make a piece of music about Kristallnacht, and then a few years later another one about Crowley? (hehe) Might be more. Have to think about it.... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:00:21 -0400 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Copenhagen Art Ensemble plays the music of Tim Berne broadcast on Friday Friday, May 10 Copenhagen Art Ensemble under the leadership of Ture Larsen playing the music of Tim Berne with guests Herb Robertson (trumpet) and Marc Ducret guitar Personnel: Tim Berne (alto sax), Lotte Anker (soprano/tenor sax), Thomas Agergaard (tenor sax, flute), Peter Fuglsang (clarinet, bass clarinet), Herb Robertson (trumpet), Lars Vissing (trumpet), KasperTranberg (cornet), Mads Hyhne (trombone), Klaus Löhrer (bass trombone, tuba), Thomas Clausen (piano, Fender Rhodes), Marc Ducret (guitar), Nils Davisen (bass), Anders Mogensen (drums), Ture Larsen (director) Recorded at Radiohuset, Malmö / Copenhagen Jazz House 2000. 120 Minuter on Swedish Radio P2 3-5 p.m. US Eastern time; 19.00 - 21.00 UTC http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/spelare/spelare.asp?typ=live&namn=P2-Musik http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/webcasts.html Alan Lankin - -- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net lankina@att.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:03:07 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Arto lindsay interview Hi, Maybe a bit self-concious question, but he's performing at this year's Sonar Festival in Barcelona. I think it's a duo performance but considerig that the Festival is mainly focused on electronic music I'd love to know what I must expect from that project. More bossa? Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Still trapped with "Blood Money". There must be something there... > > Hi. > > >Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio > show, any interesting > >sugestions for questions? > > What happened to the solo guitar album he talked > about a few years ago? Not > to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". Does he > think it is morally > irrisponsibe to first make a piece of music about > Kristallnacht, and then a > few years later another one about Crowley? (hehe) > > Might be more. Have to think about it.... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:56:29 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Wuorinen As is often the case, I'm catching up on Zorn digests. Thanks for posting your column on Wuorinen, Steve. Self-servingly, I think it reinforces some of the comments made in earlier discussions of Wuorinen, especially Zorn's specific attempt to position Wuorinen for some idealized Tzadik listener. Given the limited amount of comments on the more composerly releases in the composer series that show up on this list, I'm not sure this is entirely warranted, at least for the specific Tzadik listeners he proposes to be focusing on, but hey. It's also worth noting Wuorinen's clearly stated sense of the social overriding stylistic doctrine. It's usually been my sense that composers that get along as people tend to find something to like about each other's music, which is why I'd earlier assumed that Wuorinen wouldn't have problems being on the same concert with Zorn. It's good to have a new pressing of Time's Encomium in any case, which sounds much crisper and generally more metallic than I recall from the original vinyl. I'm also digging the distinctions made between levels and qualities of reverberation in the piece. I don't think of such attention to signal processing in the context of the Columbia-Princeton studio and now want to hear more from that period to hear what else I may have let slide back in the day. Bests, Herb - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:06:59 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: RE: new Lovely Music record From: "Patrice L. Roussel" > Any recommendation about that one? > >- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >*** - CHRIS MANN AND THE USE > > 1/ Or, Yellow (Chris Mann) 23:00 > 2/ Virtuoso Thinking For Several Invited Words > (Chris Mann) 20:09 > 3/ Humility -- On Eating Your Words (Chris Mann) 22:11 > > Chris Mann; Christine Bard (1); Anthony Coleman (1); Christian Marclay (1); > Mark Stewart (1); David Watson (1); Jim Pugliese (3). > > 2002 - Lovely Music (USA), LCD 3091 (CD) > >- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Just saw it listed on Forced Exposure and was quite curious. > > Thanks, > > Patrice. > I haven't heard, or received, it yet, but I've liked much of the work I've heard (&/or read) by Chris Mann. But in general, I think of him as a writer I'm interested in who's manner of performing/presenting his work is greatly informed by an awareness of vocalists like Shelley Hirsch, Phil Minton, David Moss, etc. and I've most often responded best to his solo works, rather than collaborations with (other) musicians. From some of your other comments over the years, I'd be surprised if your were as excited by the content of the texts, Patrice, but I think you may be quite interested in Mann's sonic approach. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy Mappings: new music in RealAudio P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA http://antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm mappings@antennaradio.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:56:31 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Don Cherry; Actions Hello, I as wondering if anybody has heard the recently released remastered version of Don Cherry's masterpiece "Actions"? It's been one of my favorite records for a long time, but I always found the female vocals were mixed MUCH to high. I\m hoping maybe there is a better ballance on the new release. Anybody know? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Blues for Falasha Pat: Not sure what you mean by the L-W-Y style. It's not overwhelmingly Klezmer or particularly "Jewish", whatever that means. Instead it, Glenn's last recording, is an extension of the over the top energy music a la Ascension he and the other members of his double trio created on the earlier Black Saint discs. Of course it's worth getting. Nearly everything GS played and recorded is worth hearing -- and there's far too little of it. Ken Waxman - --- patbor wrote: > > Radical Jewish Culture series > Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha > > Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style? > > Anyone recommends it? ===== Ken Waxman mingusaum@yahoo.ca www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos ______________________________________________________________________ Games, Movies, Music & Sports! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: aaron chua Subject: re:pop music +KLF talking abt the Stereotypical Pop Song brings to mind the KLF and also the book they wrote: The Manual which is supposedly a step by step guide to penning a chart topper. now i don't know much abt them other than the wire article i'm refering to now (mar97). anyone have this?( the manual i mean...) also i remember sometime ago seeing copies of a KLF al;bum reiisued w/ a bonus disc. i was under the impression all their back catalogue was to be deleted. anyone know the story behind this? aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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