From: Steve Smith Subject: Oh damn, I forgot... Date: 01 Dec 2000 02:39:07 -0500 Steve Smith blathered (both on and in re: this here little list): > And Brian Olewnick, and Bill Ashline, and RRRick Lopez, and... [jeezis, snip it already!] And KURT GOTTSCHALK, who I've run into at more gigs recently than anyone else from the Z-List. GodDAMN, am I embarassed. See where these kind of "tributes" get you? A thousand penances (and no, Kurt DIDN'T put me up to this), Steve Smith NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Concerto for Piano and Orchestra - Mvt. III, Piotr Paleczny, Polish Natl Radio Sym Orch / Antoni Wit (Naxos) (but still remembering both a fine solo Fripp soundscapes gig AND a Frisell set in which he played his own stuff but also covered Henry Mancini, Dock Boggs AND Marvin Gaye... oh man oh man oh man do I need to re-evaluate my recent criticisms of Frisell...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: London record stores Date: 01 Dec 2000 15:26:43 -0000 > In a message dated 11/30/00 8:25:41 PM, toby@dodds.org writes: Surprisingly I was dissapointed by the price and selection at the > > famous Rays Jazz... >> Agreed. I think that the staff there are less clued up with stuff that is (musically) post-1977 than they could be. The Ronnie Scott and Georgie Fame pictures on the wall say it all. Mind you, there is a picture of a young Derek Bailey up there... and it's not bad for second hand vinyl. I picked up the Willner Monk tribute there not long ago. You just have to be lucky. > From: > The Tower there seemed to stock a fair bit of experimental music also, in its own > section even, next to jazz. But it's hideously expensive, and guess what? that stock never finds it way into their sales ;-) Good places for Tzadik in London (if anyone's interested): Rough Trade's two stores (but mainly the Covent Garden one), and Selectadisc, in Soho's beautiful Berwick St, where they are generally only £12.49. Alastair (bidding for the London correspondent job) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Megastores pricing policy (off topic and a bit long) Date: 01 Dec 2000 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) Hey guys: It's all big store psychology related to computerized inventory. For instance Tower's in downtown Toronto has had a copy of Cecil Taylor's Always A Pleasure (AAP) mispriced at $57(!) for the past two or three years. Even at inflated import prices it should be about $30 tops. I once pointed out the discrepancy to the Jazz manager at Tower's who agreed with me, but looked in his computer saw AAP listed at $57 and said nothing could be done about it. (BTW I already owned AAP at that time -- bought for $26 through Verge, it's now cheaper -- and just figured someone else might enjoy the disc if he or she could afford it). Ken Waxman --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:02:50PM -0000, Alastair > Wilson wrote: > > > On a related point - why do big shops never have > proper jazz/experimental sales? Not the promotions like 2 for £22 and the like, which are never as wide ranging as you'd want, but proper lets-clear-out-the-stuff-that-aint-moving sales. > When I first started shopping there, the Tower in > Tyson's Corner (VA) > had just such a sale. I picked up some good stuff at > pretty good prices. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Megastores pricing policy (off topic and a bit long) Date: 01 Dec 2000 08:27:12 -0800 I purchased Enclosure Two by Harry Partch for $16.99 and Coltrane's Live In Seattle for $9.99 at the Pasadena CA Tower Records due to mismarking by the teenage help. I always cross myself and say a prayer of contrition to PooBah Records across town for such indiscretions. http://www.poobah.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Re: London record stores Date: 01 Dec 2000 12:56:34 EST --part1_65.c9d3e5e.27594052_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recommend Intoxica! on Portobello Road. Really nice staff, and an always interesting selection of rare rock, soundtracks, beats and jazz. I picked up some really interesting avant garde LPs on my last trip. No bargains, but if you have stuff to trade, they offer very fair prices. Intoxica! 231 Portobello Road London W11 1LT 011 44 171 229-8010 --part1_65.c9d3e5e.27594052_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recommend Intoxica! on Portobello Road. Really nice staff, and an always
interesting selection of rare rock, soundtracks, beats and jazz. I picked up
some really interesting avant garde LPs on my last trip. No bargains, but if
you have stuff to trade, they offer very fair prices.

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011 44 171 229-8010 --part1_65.c9d3e5e.27594052_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors Subject: speaking of frisell... @vaguard? Date: 01 Dec 2000 10:48:47 -0800 (PST) has anyone gotten over to the vanguard to check out frisell with sherr and wollesen? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: speaking of frisell... @vaguard? Date: 01 Dec 2000 14:08:31 -0500 Hi > has anyone gotten over to the vanguard to check out frisell with sherr > and wollesen? I saw Wednesday's 2 sets. I thought they were great. It was my first time seeing frisell, and I was expecting mellower stuff given recent records I'd heard. I was pleasantly suprised by the nice mixture of his newer "Americana" sound with some strange effects. Not the older style volume swells (he didn't have that peddle), rather delay and almost synth sounding stuff on 2 tunes. The music had a nice open feel, much of it courtesy of the rhythm section. They were very tastey. I'm always a sucker for Kenny W's drums, and it was nice to see him playing more sparsely. One of his tricks is stuffing a shaker into his hi-hat foot and keeping time with it, very nice. As Steve Smith mentioned, there were covers of Mancini (Days of Wine and Roses), and Marvin Gaye. There were also some acoustic tunes with Frisell and Scherer on acoustic guitar with Wollesen playing solely on the snare with brushes (country style). Frisell mentioned one of them was a Leadbelly cover. Hope that helps. peas JM - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: speaking of frisell... @vaguard? Date: 01 Dec 2000 14:04:25 -0500 Ah, bliss, nirvana. The set I heard last night included "Moon River," "What's Going On," a gorgeous "Shenandoah" with a chorus effect I've never heard Frisell use before (like a ghostly high voice slightly out of sync with his main voicing), and a couple of old-timey country folk tunes, in addition to a handful of originals from recent albums. Scherr stuck to acoustic bass, doubling on acoustic slide guitar for the folk tunes, and Frisell played acoustic on these as well. One of them was a Dock Boggs tune, my friend informed me, and the other might as well have been. Definitely Harry Smith territory. The guitars were unamplified, making everyone listen really closely. Wollesen was in the pocket all night. It's not the same feel that Baron brought to Frisell's music, but it surprises me just how well Kenny fits in. A ricky-ticky little choo-choo train rhythm on one of the folk tunes brought a smile to my face (even though I couldn't help hearing David St. Hubbins and Nigel Tufnel singing "All the Way Home" in my head - call it a sickness...). In general there was an electronically wacked out segue between most tunes - some of the out-est stuff I've heard from Frisell in years. And his playing in general is definitely more bluesy than in the past. But boy can he write a beguiling little tune... I suppose I'm coming to terms with his "new direction," but it's good to go back and listen to Power Tools every now and then, just the same. Hey, during the Robert Fripp soundscapes set I heard earlier in the evening, I wished a bit for the old-timey twin Revox analog sound of Frippertronics as well. But then, I've got those records, too. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com jason tors wrote: > has anyone gotten over to the vanguard to check out frisell with sherr > and wollesen? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Caine / Mahler Date: 01 Dec 2000 21:01:33 +0100 Some weeks ago there was a discussion about the Goldberg Variations. And, ad far as I remember several people were criticized this recording. But what's your opinion of the Mahler released, especially the live recording (Toblach)? PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Curious search request Date: 01 Dec 2000 15:43:33 -0500 Apropos of nothing, this referring URL turned up in the logs for my site today: http://www.google.com/search?q=john+zorn+lyrics I dunno, I wasn't aware of there really _being_ much in the way of lyrics on Zorn pieces, apart from "Spillane" and "Forbidden Fruit." Or is there a whole set of things I'm not aware of? -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: live from the knit/bet Date: 01 Dec 2000 17:49:54 -0500 i don't have bet, or any tv, but i do have a schedule for the knit broadcasts steve mentioned: "Live From The Knitting Factory" is back for a second season on BET On Jazz (channel 89 in Manhattan) Wednesday nights at 8:00pm and Sunday nights at 10pm on BET On Jazz (channel 89 in Manhattan). Dec. 6 - BURNT SUGAR - Music journalist Greg Tate's ensemble, inspired by Chaka Khan, Electric Miles, P-Funk and Butch Morris, breaks new ground in the discovery of where composition ends and improvisation begins. Dec. 13 - MALACHI THOMPSON'S FREEBOP BAND; D.D. JACKSON QUINTET - Trumpeter Thompson is a product of both Chicago's AACM and years of touring. He weds the energy of Improvisation to the structures of Bebop in his Freebop Band. Pianist D.D. Jackson is part of the emerging generation following in the footsteps of David Murray, Don Pullen, Billy Bang and the World Saxophone Quartet. And he's played with all of them. Dec. 20 - PETER APFELBAUM SEXTET; MARIO PAVONE'S NU TRIO (repeat broadcast) Dec. 27- RACHEL'S; ISOTOPE 217 (repeat broadcast) kg np: statements quintet - the cat's pyjamas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: live from the knit/bet Date: 01 Dec 2000 18:17:03 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > Dec. 6 - BURNT SUGAR - Music journalist > Greg Tate's ensemble, inspired by Chaka > Khan, Electric Miles, P-Funk and Butch > Morris, breaks new ground in the discovery > of where composition ends and improvisation > begins. Wow, thanks for forwarding this blurb. This band is playing live at Tonic the very same night, at 10 p.m. The 8 p.m. show is Tim Berne, Craig Taborn and Tom Rainey with special guest Melvin Gibbs, but until now I hadn't planned to stay for Greg's set. That description just made my mind up. Looks like it's going to be a long night. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Record Stores and Ionesco Date: 01 Dec 2000 17:55:38 -0500 The main thing that I'm confused about the chain stores is that they have irregular stocking practices. Sometimes there will be no records by a given artist, but then a single random disk will appear. A store that had Naked City once all of the sudden had a copy of the re-release of The Big Gundown. It makes no sense. Can any one tell me about the Ionesco play "Jack or Submission?" It's also called "Jacques or Obedience." I would like to know if any one has insight into any of the characters or the play in general. Thanks. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Lach Date: 01 Dec 2000 18:43:20 -0500 Has any heard of the "anti-folk icon" Lach? If so does any one have any opinions on him or his music. I saw him at a coffee house, wholly by mistake, and got curious. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: positivity Date: 01 Dec 2000 18:03:53 -0600 My ears wouldn't be the same without any of you guys. This is the best list I've ever been a part of, and I really appreciate the fact that almost everything stays above the belt. I second this. I really enjoy being on this list and reading all this stuff. -samuel np Ali Akbar Khan and Nikhail Banerjee AMMP Signature Series Volume 4 _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Books by Masami Akita Date: 01 Dec 2000 19:05:16 -0600 I have done some searching on the internet and have not been able to find anything. Not that i'm an expert on searching for things on the internet. anyway... would someone please tell me how i could obtain information on any books written by Masami Akita. Especially the two volume set mentioned in the issue of The Wire featuring Masami Akita on the cover. thanks in advance, samuel _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: MERZBOW:OERSTED Date: 01 Dec 2000 20:23:23 -0600 is there any album more beautiful than Merzbow's Oersted? i'm sure there are... but at this moment in time i am quite certain that i find it to be one of the most precious precious cds of my collection. is there an album with more beauty that merzbow has made, in anyone's opinion? i have heard 1930... and i love it but i think oersted is better. i've never heard rainbow electronics, though. i hear that one is really good. the only other albums i've heard are noizhead, voice pie, and a couple others that i liked but did not compare at all to oersted or 1930. could people give me examples of really really starkingly beautiful merzbow records. please? (and where i could get them...) thanzx, samuel _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: MERZBOW:OERSTED Date: 01 Dec 2000 21:35:58 EST --part1_1e.de8c3fd.2759ba0e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have: Ecobondage Hybrid Noisebloom Both which I think are excellent, but I've not heard any others beyond that. They also have one track on Aural Torture Mechanics CD-Anyone aware of that band? --part1_1e.de8c3fd.2759ba0e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have:

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Both which I think are excellent, but I've not heard any others beyond that.  
They also have one track on Aural Torture Mechanics CD-Anyone aware of that
band? --part1_1e.de8c3fd.2759ba0e_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: numbats@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Caine / Mahler Date: 02 Dec 2000 11:25:02 +0800 >Some weeks ago there was a discussion about the Goldberg Variations. >And, ad far as I remember several people were criticized this >recording. But what's your opinion of the Mahler released, especially >the live recording (Toblach)? Hi, I am an admirer of Caine's work. I am also an admirer of Mahler's music, and have been for 30 years. I bought the studio album on the strength of the reviews and the above admiration. I keep trying with it, but find that it is the "avant garde" equivalent of Jaque Loussier's Bach/Jazz records that were so popular. They were bad Bach and worse jazz. regards, Billy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: live from the knit/bet Date: 02 Dec 2000 00:30:41 -0800 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > Dec. 6 - BURNT SUGAR - Music journalist > Greg Tate's ensemble, inspired by Chaka > Khan, Electric Miles, P-Funk and Butch > Morris, breaks new ground in the discovery > of where composition ends and improvisation > begins. Well, this gets my attention too but I don't live in NYC and I don't get BETOJ. Anyone know if this group has recorded? -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored." -- Norman Mailer np: Michel Pascal, _Puzzle_ nr: Arturo Perez-Reverte, _The Club Dumas_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: help me find hathut Date: 02 Dec 2000 15:13:59 +0100 > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - nothing, but looking forward to hearing both Fripp and Frisell > tonight (separate events, of course...) BTW, has anybody here heard the new 'heavy construction' king crimson's 3cd set? Any opinions? (I ordered my copy via amazonUK, but there's some problems with the availability) Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Zorn ends Masada Date: 02 Dec 2000 15:19:59 +0100 My email adress changed (BTW if anybody sent me some personal email to marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl, i'll read them next week), so i did not get the message about the end of masada. I did not read the list because... i went to Prague to see a masada show - a terrific one, (yes, and in case if any zlisters have were there, i was the idiot in the Figo Real Madrid T-shirt). Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:21 PM > kurt wrote: i don't believe masada is retiring. jz would erect more fanfare > if that were the case, methinks. > _______________ > Well, it was written that Zorn chose to put an end to his Masada band. I see > no reason why this loyal reporter (deStandaard) would fabricate this > message. This means that Paris is the last European visit by Masada. And > Minneapolis could be bye bye for good. > > We'll see !!!! > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Odp: help me find hathut Date: 02 Dec 2000 10:12:13 -0500 On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:13:59PM +0100, Marcin Gokieli wrote: > BTW, has anybody here heard the new 'heavy construction' king crimson's 3cd > set? Any opinions? I have and love it. The studio album almost sounds, in retrospect, like a sketchpad for the live work. OTOH, it's from the early leg of the tour, and they were even better later live in DC (and I understand, consistently on the latter legs of the tour) so if they do another live album from the tour (as I understand is likely) it should be even better. On the other other hand, the system is quite inexpensive, and the third CD, of improvisations, is worth it. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Review of Acid Mothers Temple and Alabama ThunderPussy Date: 02 Dec 2000 12:53:50 -0500 Greetings, Went to see the ACM's Temple and Alabama ThunderPussy show in a defunct bowling alley in Chicago last night. WOW. The surprise of the show was Alabama ThunderPussy. This was hardcore par excellence! Fast changes marking time beautifully and crescendo's building like a well crafted Fred Hopkins solo (well, oh why not.) These cats are actually from Virginia and should not be missed. ACM Temple had two roland synth's, bass, drum and guitar. The set was rumblin, bumblin and stumblin madness. Periods of drifting chaos and periods of shear bliss. My ears need a day to recover. Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: k.g./tempting improv Date: 02 Dec 2000 14:59:56 EST In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM, you wrote: <> i've even spied him at classical concerts! though of lefty composers, LOL. steve the monkeyboy n.p. the temptations "hey jude"- incredible improv singing along with the sitar - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: caine mahler Date: 02 Dec 2000 15:06:34 EST In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM,TimBlechmann@gmx.de wrote: <> i thrall to the single disc; i am a major mahler freak and think he totally has the spirit of the pieces. it's on my life-favorites list, which i havent made up yet. havent heard the live double. w+w doubles scare me, physically, even more than their single cardboard-clutchers do. i have an interview with uri about Mahler in Signal to Noise Issue13, September/October 1999. dunno if it's available anywhere in germany. steve koenig n.p.: "this is a message/ a message to y'all/ united we stand/ divided we fall" god i love hippie-time motown - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: ionesco Date: 02 Dec 2000 15:11:49 EST In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM, Zach wrote: << Can any one tell me about the Ionesco play "Jack or Submission?" It's also called "Jacques or Obedience." I would like to know if any one has insight into any of the characters or the play in general. Thanks. >> dear zach, thats one of his few pieces i dont know, and thanks for the impetus to read it. there are a few recordings using his works, and as soon as i suss out where they are in this (ware)house, i'll drop a note. natch, there are also the caedmon LP of 'rhinoceros' with zero mostel, which i dont like very much. must-haves are his two books for children, sadly out of print, and very very ionesco. it's a family tale and very french; all the characters, mother father sisters all are all named jacqueline. --steve koenig --n.p, "theatre parisienne de sara bernhardt" emi france 6-cd spoken word, including jean cocteau, now cut-out for $18 at broinc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: merzbow Date: 02 Dec 2000 15:18:01 EST In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM, you wrote: <> im currently frequently playing merzbow's "13 floors collapsing," not stark but very wonderfully fluid; not cut-up noise nor drone. in a pile somewhere soi cant tell ya the label offhand, possibly alien8 from canada. available from manifoldrecords.com steve koenig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Charly reissues...are they gone again? Date: 03 Dec 2000 05:09:11 -0000 Thanks to Steve for his nice comments the other day. I just had an order cancelled from Other Music recently. I had tried to buy the remaining Charly reissues--Cherry's Mu, Sun Ra's Solar Myth, Shepp's Blase, Art Ensemble's Jackson and Message. These are apparently out of print again and are unavailable (almost as soon as they were re-released). I luckily managed to get a copy of Jazz Actuel, though that has now become difficult to find as well. I've heard comments about legal problems with the Charly reissues. I hesitate to support them but I do want the releases on CD (got a few on vinyl already). Does anyone know if they are still available anywhere and if so where? I've struck out everywhere else so far. Thanks in advance. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugo Linares" Subject: RE: Tim Sparks (was"Neshamah" on Tzadik) Date: 03 Dec 2000 02:16:31 -0200 Hi, I haven't listened to Tim Spark's "Neshamah" (but I will, Artur!), but I just picked up "Tanz" (also on Tzadik) and it's an oustanding album indeed. There are beautiful Jewish, Sephardic and Oriental traditional melodies played by this incredible guitarrist, with Greg Cohen and Cyro Baptista augmenting and bringing a great level of quality. Even Down Beat reviewed it as a five star recording. Just my 2 pesos. Hugo Linares NP: Gianluigi Trovesi / Gianni Coscia_Radici_ EGEA Edizioni Discografiche. You can't leave this world without listening to these two giants on clarinet and accordion. ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Artur Nowak Para: Enviado: Domingo 12 de Marzo de 2000 07:10 AM Asunto: Tim Sparks' "Neshamah" on Tzadik > Hi Philozorners, > > I dont' remember anybody's comments about Tim Sparks' "Neshamah" album > released last year by Tzadik in the Radical Jewish Culture series. > IMHO, this album is great! Just solo acoustic guitar playing > beautifull traditional melodies. Tim's technique is excellent, I could > bet he did overdubbs in few tracks, but it's just him, playing with 5 > fingers of his right hand. Really, an amazing guitarist. But not anly, > his arrangements are very interesting, some melodies are quite simple, > but Tim build whole "orchestration" around them. He plays odd meter > patterns easily, listening to it for the first time I was repeating > "wow, how he did that!". Ultimate listening! > > Tim Sparks homepage: http://www.itascasw.com/timsparks/core.html > > __________________________________________________________________ > Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl] > www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Charly reissues...are they gone again? Date: 03 Dec 2000 00:25:00 EST In a message dated 12/3/00 12:10:24 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes: << Does anyone know if they are still available anywhere and if so where? I've struck out everywhere else so far. >> Aquarius lists these titles, not sure how frequently they update their online catalog. www.aquariusrecordsSF.com Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: trovesi Date: 03 Dec 2000 07:42:20 +0100 > NP: Gianluigi Trovesi / Gianni Coscia_Radici_ EGEA Edizioni Discografiche. > You can't leave this world without listening to these two giants on clarinet > and accordion. > If you like Trovesi try to find his fantastic octet records (Les Hommes Armés). In my opinion, after Radici, the ECM cd In Cerca Di Cibo is slightly disappointing, but it's a hit of course. Excellent composition (Scarlattina) on the latest Instabile Cd (Enja), and look out for the next Orchestre National de Jazz (France) Cd (tba) with guest soloists Trovesi, Anouar Brahem and François Jeanneau. Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Charly reissues...are they gone again? Date: 03 Dec 2000 10:38:56 +0100 Sunday, December 03, 2000, 6:09:11 AM, you wrote: Bill> difficult to find as well. I've heard comments about legal problems with Bill> the Charly reissues. I hesitate to support them but I do want the releases Bill> on CD (got a few on vinyl already). Does anyone know if they are still At least some of them are bootlegs. I've got Massacre's KILLING TIME and Fred Frith told me, it is a bootleg. And as far as the prices are quite low, I suppose this is not the only bootleg. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: boston --> alvin lucier installation Date: 03 Dec 2000 08:20:20 EST dear listfolk, anything perpetrated by lucier, manley and weinstein is bound to be worth it :) steve koenig Music on a Long Thin Wire A sound installation by Alvin Lucier November 5, 2000 - February 25, 2001 Extend a long metal wire... Drive the wire with a sine wave oscillator...(to produce) nodal shifts, echo trains, noisy overdrivings,rhythmic figures at low frequencies, phase-related time lags, simple and complex harmonic structures, larger self-generative cyclic patterns, stops and starts, and other audible and visible phenomena. (from the score, 1977) Installed by Ben Manley, Alvin Lucier, and David Weinstein Museum of Fine Arts, Boston 465 Huntington Avenue (617) 267-9300 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Zorn ends Masada Date: 03 Dec 2000 14:54:35 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- > My email adress changed (BTW if anybody sent me some personal email to > marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl, i'll read them next week), so i did not get the > message about the end of masada. I did not read the list because... i went > to Prague to see a masada show - a terrific one, (yes, and in case if any >> zlisters have were there, i was the idiot in the Figo Real Madrid T-shirt). It looks as if the end of the message - the importrant thing - disappeared... I just wansted to know where the idea of masada's end come from. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: sale/trade (a few zorn-list specific items) Date: 03 Dec 2000 12:11:15 -0500 Money folks: I'm needing it, and you have it. Some of these are in some sort of special promotional packaging, and they're marked with a *. All of these are cds and are $9ppd. Buy 3, take a dollar off. Buy 5 or more, take $2 off. I can give tracklistings, info even reiews occasionally. Here's the catch. I've got to have the money by early next week, so if you aren't going to send the money in the next few days, you run the risk of having your package go out after the new year. I'll take trades, but it's money that I really need. I've got a huge wantlist, so inquire if you want a shot at it. Cheers, Nirav AIM: Icefactory37 -- "Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time." - R. Buckminster Fuller Jazz/Improv/Blues: Han Bennink- Nerve Beats *Joe Morris Quartet- At the Old Office Other Dimensions in Music w/ Matthew Shipp- Time is the Essence Beyond Time Matthew Shipp w/ William Parker- DNA Matthew Shipp Trio- Circular Temple Steam- Real Time Tronzo/Granelli/Epstein- Crunch Composition: Gal- Bestimmung New York John Hudak- Don't Worry About Anything, I'll Talk to You Tomorrow Mahler- Symphony #1/Der Titan Ennio Moricone- A Fistful of Filmmusic - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: PROMO: Electro Acoustic Date: 03 Dec 2000 12:50:46 EST Experimental Intermedia and Erstwhile Records are proud to present: ELECTRO ACOUSTIC A listening experience comprised of carefully selected pieces from all=20 corners of the globe, both current and historical, and programmed=20 specifically to take full advantage of the superb EI audio system.=20 Featured artists include: Robert Ashley Harry Bertoia Kevin Drumm/RLW I-Sound Intersystems Gottfried Michael Koenig Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler Erik M. G=FCnter M=FCller/L=EA Quan Ninh Toshimaru Nakamura/Sachiko M. Otomo Yoshihide/Voice Crack Dick Raaijmakers Ignaz Schick Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow Karlheinz Stockhausen Akio Suzuki John Wall Iannis Xenakis curated by Jon Abbey of Erstwhile Records and Michael Goodstein of WFMU=20 December 17, 3-11 PM. Experimental Intermedia, 224 Centre St., NYC.=20 admission is $4.99. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Beardsley Subject: 49/32 Radio updates 8/2000 to 12/3/2000 Date: 03 Dec 2000 19:34:43 -0500 Hello folks, Happy Holidays and all that stuff. I've updated the part of the 49/32 Radio archives from August 2000 to December 3, 2000 (this weekend). Mid-March to August 2000 will get done in the near future. 49/32 Radio is the very first all microtonal streaming audio program on the net. Microtonal is a term that loosely covers any music outside of the 12 tone equal temperament commonly accepted in the Western world - the notes in between the frets of a guitar or the pitches between the keys of a piano. Microtonality isn't a style of music, rather an approach to pitch. Recent programs featured Vishwa Mohan Bhatt, Mohamed Abdel Wahab, Chas Smith, Anaympatti S. Dhandapani, Talip Ozkan, Musicans from the Deserts of Rajasthan, Hariprasad Chaurasia, the Master Musicans of Jajouka, Anthology of World Music: The Music of Tibetan Buddhism, Carter Scholtz, The Monks of the Drepung-Loseling Monastery, David Maranha, Jah Wobble & the Invaders of the Heart, Jon Catler and the Evolution Ensemble, Neil Haverstick, Pauline Oliveros, John Cale, Tony Conrad, Angus Maclise, La Monte Young, Marian Zazeela and Arnold Dreyblatt and the Orchestra of Excited Strings http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Looking for books Date: 03 Dec 2000 23:31:31 -0500 Hello All, I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New Dutch Swing" and "The Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting. Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative music in general and John Zorn particularly? Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 03 Dec 2000 23:59:52 -0500 on 12/3/00 11:31 PM, Peter Gannushkin at shkin@shkin.com wrote: > Hello All, > > I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New Dutch Swing" and "The > Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting. > > Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative > music in general and John Zorn particularly? Get your hands on a copy of William Duckworth's "Talking Music." It has a long interview with Zorn. You might also find John Corbett's "Extended Play" interesting. --Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 03 Dec 2000 21:59:23 -0800 (PST) --- Peter Gannushkin wrote: > I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New > Dutch Swing" and "The > Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting. I saw Kevin Whitehead read from _New Dutch Swing_ when the book was just published, in Chicago; it was at the Empty Bottle Festival, and that year there were a number of visiting Dutch musicians featured. Whitehead is a pretty hilarious guy; I can't imagine an American better suited to chase the zany Dutch. (I do mean _certain_ zany Dutch, no offense to Dutch on list.) > Does anybody know what other books have anything > about creative > music in general and John Zorn particularly? I thought ARCANA was a fine read, almost quixotically heterogeneous, maybe a "manifesto", as one lister put it, but appropriately patchwork. No Zorn content, but I thought John Corbett's book EXTENDED PLAY (Duke Press) was pretty great, with a pretty wide-ranging annotated discography as a appendix, a long academic article making prominent use of theory, Evan Parker, and Milford Graves (where Corbett fails, IMHO, the effort is still interesting, and refreshingly heady); plus interviews with Ikue Mori, John Cage, Sun Ra, and other people. The book is over six years old now, and I wish Corbett had another already out. If you like theory, and if you like that aspect of Corbett, maybe you would like Jacques Attali's NOISE: THE POLITICAL ECONOMY OF MUSIC. I like this book, but many olks I know and respect find it to be poppycock and rot. What do listers think of David Toop's books? ----s, zany american __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: tonight: ostertag and minton Date: 04 Dec 2000 14:14:26 +0100 (MET) Again a concert announcement for SOuthern GErmany: tonight Bob Ostertag and Phil Minton will play live at the Sudhaus in Tuebingen. The concert will start at 9 pm. hope some of you can make it there. Bjoern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: byg Date: 04 Dec 2000 08:54:43 EST In a message dated 12/3/00 8:36:13 PM, you wrote: <> i believe i saw some at kims st marks, also i think bruce at downtown music gallery still can get em. i was loathe to get the byg actual 3cd set as i have so much on it and wd prefer to save for full disc reissues, but who knows. there are 2cd reissues that came out this these, but for each 2cd set i already have one of em on vinyl; $25 is a lot to pay for a single, usually short album. i find a lot of sealed byg/charly Lps cheap on my visits to mexico city, the covers warped with shrinkwrap, but the discs not. steve koenig...np: the buzz of my computer telling me get back to work, boy. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nyc/hi performances on a budget Date: 04 Dec 2000 09:10:56 EST In a message dated 12/3/00 8:36:13 PM, you wrote: <> hi jon and all, I was going to copy this earlier so jon wouldn't have to. sounds great. also: those of you in/near new york should know what all events at XI, phill niblock's home-loft-performance space is wonderful, just a few blocks from roulette, and is still only $4.99 and they give you back the penny. istarted going there when it was only $1.99. still a bargain, at (arggh... i missplaced the URL). also, reminder, roulette is the other amazing great bargain, offering you $10 for single admission or the silly-not-to-get $60/annual membership which is free admission to all concerts, about 100 per year. also downtown music gallery offers free instore concerts every sunday at 7pm, and has included the likes of jon rose, chadbourne, both maneris, maz-connors, and others too numerous to mention, but also lots of folks with discs on tzadik and avant. also dont forget free concerts at mannes school of music and manhattan school of music, and juilliard. roulette.org; dtmggallery.com oh yeah... and jumps arts, pink pony & brecht forum :) steve koenig n.p.: the sound of my keybd clicking away at yaz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget Date: 04 Dec 2000 10:11:10 EST In a message dated 12/4/00 9:11:36 AM, Acousticlv@aol.com writes: << still a bargain, at (arggh... i missplaced the URL). >> the full December schedule is at: www.experimentalintermedia.org/concerts/00/december.shtml Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget Date: 04 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:10 AM > also: those of you in/near new york should know what all events at XI, > phill niblock's home-loft-performance space is wonderful, just a few > blocks from roulette, and is still only $4.99 and they give you back the > penny. > istarted going there when it was only $1.99. still a bargain, at (arggh... > i missplaced the URL). http://www.experimentalintermedia.org/ -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Thomas" Subject: RE: Charly reissues Date: 04 Dec 2000 09:52:27 -0600 > Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 05:09:11 -0000 > From: "Bill Ashline" [snip...on Charly reissues] > Does anyone know if they > are still > available anywhere and if so where? I've struck out > everywhere else so far. > Thanks in advance. > You could try 33 Degrees in Austin, TX. I bought a copy of the Art Ensemble disc there a few months back. I have no affiliation etc. etc. with the store except as a satisified customer. Good luck John - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Looking for books Date: 04 Dec 2000 11:03:33 -0800 At 9:59 PM 12/3/00, Scott Handley wrote: > >What do listers think of David Toop's books? > I really like "Ocean of Sound", it ties a lot of threads together in very interesting ways. I liked "Exotica" a lot less. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan? Date: 04 Dec 2000 14:42:43 -0800 I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan? Date: 04 Dec 2000 18:48:43 -0500 Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things like 'Live in Japan', again imho. Brian Olewnick NP: Barry Guy/LJCO -- Portraits - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Fwd: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Date: 05 Dec 2000 10:03:28 -0000 I thought I would pass this on to our fine list, though it is clearly off-topic. I simply thought that a number of people here might be interested to know. Cheers.... >Gabriel Garcia Marquez* has retired from public life due to > > health reasons: cancer of the lymph nodes. It seems that it is > > getting worse. He has sent this farewell letter to his friends, > > which has been translated and posted on the Internet. Please > > read and forward to any who might enjoy it. This is possibly, > > sadly, one of the last gifts to humanity from a true master. > > This short text, written by one of the most brilliant Latin > > Americans in recent times, is truly moving. > > _______________ > > If for an instant God were to forget that I am rag doll and gifted > > me with a piece of life, possibly I wouldn't say all that I think, but > > rather I would think of all that I say. I would value things, not > > for their worth but for what they mean. I would sleep little, dream > > more, understanding that for each minute we close our eyes we lose > > sixty seconds of light. > > > > I would walk when others hold back, I would wake when others > > sleep. I would listen when others talk, and how I would enjoy a > > good chocolate ice cream! If God were to give me a piece of life, > > I would dress simply, throw myself face first into the sun, baring > > not only my body but also my soul. My God, if I had a heart, I > > would write my hate on ice, and wait for the sun to show. Over > > the stars I would paint with a Van Gogh dream a Benedetti poem, > > and a Serrat song would be the serenade I'd offer to the moon. > > With my tears I would water roses, to feel the pain of their thorns, > > and the red kiss of their petals... > > > > My god, if I had a piece of life... I wouldn't let a single day pass > > without telling the people I love that I love them. I would convince > > each woman and each man that they are my favorites, and I would > > live in love with love. I would show men how very wrong they are > > to think that they cease to be in love when they grow old, not > > knowing that they grow old when they cease to be in love! To a > > child I shall give wings, but I shall let him learn to fly on his own. > > I would teach the old that death does not come with old age, but > > with forgetting. So much have I learned from you, oh men... > > > > I have learned that everyone wants to live on the peak of the > > mountain, without knowing that real happiness is in how it is > > scaled. I have learned that when a newborn child squeezes for the > > first time with his tiny fist his father's finger, he has him trapped > > forever. I have learned that a man has the right to look down on > > another only when he has to help the other get to his feet. From > > you I have learned so many things, but in truth they won't be of > > much use, for when I keep them within this suitcase, unhappily > > shall I be dying. > > > > GABRIEL GARCIA MARQUEZ > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Infinity string charts Date: 05 Dec 2000 08:43:07 -0600 At 18:48 04-12-00 -0500, Brian O. wrote: Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things like 'Live in Japan', again imho. Brian Olewnick ================ From an admittedly faulty organic memorybank: didn't Ornette Coleman actually do the string charts for the hybred Alice Coltrane tracks on the original (vinyl) release of Infinity? I've never been able to determine if 'Nette did all of the string arrangements or took sketches from Alice and actualised them for the add-on recordings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "George Scala" Subject: Re: Infinity string charts Date: 05 Dec 2000 10:13:30 -0500 Joe, I think you have "Infinity" confused with Alice Coltrane's "Universal Consciousness", where Ornette is credited with "transcription". Also on "Infinity", Jimmy Garrison's original bass part was accidentally erased, that's why Charlie Haden recorded another bass part in 1972. George Scala http://www.mindspring.com/~scala ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:43 AM > At 18:48 04-12-00 -0500, Brian O. wrote: > Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > > I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of > > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that > > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? > > I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but > Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little > odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie > Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having > for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things > like 'Live in Japan', again imho. > > Brian Olewnick > > ================ > > From an admittedly faulty organic memorybank: didn't Ornette Coleman > actually do the string charts for the hybred Alice Coltrane tracks on the > original (vinyl) release of Infinity? I've never been able to determine if > 'Nette did all of the string arrangements or took sketches from Alice and > actualised them for the add-on recordings. Any information would be greatly > appreciated. > > Saturnally, > Joe Moudry > Office of Academic Computing & Technology > School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham > > Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): > > Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: > WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham > WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama > WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diego Gruber" Subject: RE: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Date: 05 Dec 2000 17:22:48 +0100 Unfortunately I don't have the time to translate the article where Garcia Marquez denies the authenticity of this text, it states that it was in fact written by a mexican ventriloquist called Johnny Welch. I'll just paste the article in Spanish, sorry for those who won't understand but the main point is summarized on the lines above (and i agree it's off topic, but i guess it had to be cleared): La falsa despedida de García Márquez En Internet circula un poema atribuido al escritor colombiano, quien negó su autoría. Es, en realidad, de un cómico mexicano "Si por un instante Dios se olvidara de que soy una marioneta de trapo y me regalara un trozo de vida, posiblemente no diría todo lo que pienso, pero en definitiva, pensaría todo lo que digo". El fragmento es parte de un poema que circula en Internet, y que en los últimos días publicaron varios medios mexicanos, atribuyéndoselo al escritor colombiano Gabriel García Márquez (73). Según esos medios, García Márquez había elegido esas palabras para despedirse de sus amigos, ante el avance de su enfermedad, un cáncer linfático por el cual está en tratamiento desde hace más de un año. "Lo que me puede matar es la vergüenza de que alguien crea que de verdad fui yo quien escribió una cosa tan cursi", dijo el escritor desde Los Angeles, cuando se enteró de la noticia. Explicó que está muy bien de salud, a punto de terminar el primer tomo de sus memorias y dispuesto a retomar su vida normal. García Márquez se instaló hace unos meses en esa ciudad, junto a su mujer, su hijo y sus nietos, para poder completar su tratamiento. Enseguida se supo la verdad: el poema, que circulaba con el título "La marioneta", fue escrito por el cómico, imitador y ventrílocuo mexicano Johnny Welch. Su título original es "Si yo tuviera vida", y fue publicado en un libro de su autoría, en 1996: "Lo que me ha enseñado la vida". En 1986, cuando Jorge Luis Borges estaba gravemente enfermo, se le había atribuido un poema parecido. Según comentó el Nobel colombiano, en aquella oportunidad, María Kodama, su mujer, había dicho que si Borges hubiera escrito una cosa así, jamás se hubiera casado con él. El ventrílocuo mexicano, autor del poema, se lamentó por las declaraciones de García Márquez. "Respeto su opinión y es muy válida. Yo no soy un letrado, ni una persona que ha estudiado filosofía y letras, soy un ser humano con la necesidad de comunicar lo que siente; no sé si lo hago bien o mal, lo hago con corazón", dijo Welch a medios mexicanos. Welch dijo también que desconocía cómo su poema había comenzado a circular por Internet. Explicó que lo había presentado por primera vez en un programa de televisión chileno, conducido por el popular animador Don Francisco, y que luego lo había leído en un programa de variedades mexicano. Según él, el poema fue escrito "con la colaboración" de su muñeco de trapo", "El Mofles", con quien realiza sus espectáculos de ventriloquia. Lejos de pensar en despedidas, García Márquez festejó el 30 de mayo los 33 años de su novela "Cien años de soledad", que lo hizo famoso. > >Gabriel Garcia Marquez* has retired from public life due to > > > health reasons: cancer of the lymph nodes. It seems that it is > > > getting worse. He has sent this farewell letter to his friends, > > > which has been translated and posted on the Internet. Please > > > read and forward to any who might enjoy it. This is possibly, > > > sadly, one of the last gifts to humanity from a true master. > > > This short text, written by one of the most brilliant Latin > > > Americans in recent times, is truly moving. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: RE: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Date: 05 Dec 2000 11:45:25 -0500 At 5:22 PM +0100 12/5/00, Diego Gruber wrote: >I'll just paste the >article in Spanish, sorry for those who won't understand but the main point >is summarized on the lines above (and i agree it's off topic, but i guess it >had to be cleared): English language info can be found here: http://www.themodernword.com/gabo/gabo_news.html#Anchor-49575 http://sports.latimes.com/news/20000601/null/990601.5281.html (Why the "sports" server, I don't know.) -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Looking for books/medeski,marin & wood Date: 05 Dec 2000 16:54:41 -0000 > > Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative > > music in general and John Zorn particularly? Like someone mentioned, "Arkana" which Zorn put together is essential reading. One of the best books about music I have ever come across. I think Zorn mentions that most of the people who writes in it chose music as their form of expression, instead of writing, so some of it might be a bit "rough". True. But I much prefer this to the perfectionist-but-empty-and-boring writing of many critics. The book is worth the price alone for Marc Ribots contribution. Very funny and extremely well-written. I wish he would quick some of his more mundane studiosessions (James Carter aaarrgghh) and start writing more. But really, that's just one of many highlights. Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is playing on it. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: Tim Sparks (was"Neshamah" on Tzadik) Date: 05 Dec 2000 17:00:34 -0000 > > I dont' remember anybody's comments about Tim Sparks' "Neshamah" album > > released last year by Tzadik in the Radical Jewish Culture series. > > IMHO, this album is great! Just solo acoustic guitar playing > > beautifull traditional melodies. Tim's technique is excellent, I could > > bet he did overdubbs in few tracks, but it's just him, playing with 5 > > fingers of his right hand. Overdubs, really? I don't think so. Which tracks are you thinking about? But seconded, this is great! One of the best Tzadik CDs so far. I'm going to pick up "Tanz" soon, even the few clips I heard were a bit too "muzakky" for my taste. ARTHUR_G _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Looking for books/medeski,marin & wood Date: 05 Dec 2000 12:20:46 -0500 Hello Arthur, Thanks to everybody answered my question about books. New MMW album is good. It is more heavy and funky, but it is also more free. Although it doesn't probably have many remarkable melodies, it has improvisations that sound really fresh. There are several guests on it including Marshall Allen. Tuesday, December 05, 2000, you wrote to me: >> > Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative >> > music in general and John Zorn particularly? AG> Like someone mentioned, "Arkana" which Zorn put together is essential AG> reading. One of the best books about music I have ever come across. AG> I think Zorn mentions that most of the people who writes in it chose music AG> as their form of expression, instead of writing, so some of it might be a AG> bit "rough". True. But I much prefer this to the AG> perfectionist-but-empty-and-boring writing of many critics. AG> The book is worth the price alone for Marc Ribots contribution. Very funny AG> and extremely well-written. I wish he would quick some of his more mundane AG> studiosessions (James Carter aaarrgghh) and start writing more. AG> But really, that's just one of many highlights. AG> Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is AG> playing on it. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: Looking for books/medeski,marin & wood Date: 05 Dec 2000 15:26:48 -0300 Hi, > Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is > playing on it. > [Linares Hugo] IMHO, the new MMW (The Dropper/ Blue Note) is probably the most cutting-edged with a free "taste" I've listened to from this band; Medeski is in great shape and Martin beats hard on percussion mostly. The track where Ribot plays (Bleu Note or Note Bleu, sorry I can't remember) is the most accessible and melodic in the whole album so far, and a pretty good composition. Hope this helps Hugo Linares - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors Subject: García Márquez |hoax| Date: 05 Dec 2000 11:31:11 -0800 (PST) http://www.themodernword.com/gabo/gabo_news.html#Anchor-49575 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Tim Sparks (was"Neshamah" on Tzadik) Date: 05 Dec 2000 21:09:59 +0100 Hi Philozorners, > > > Tim's technique is excellent, I could > > > bet he did overdubbs in few tracks, but it's just him, > playing with 5 fingers of his right hand. > Overdubs, really? I don't think so. Which tracks are you > thinking about? I'm not saying he did any overdubbs, but he plays in intensively with the right hand, that it sounds like miltiple guitars. I got his last a lbum recently, it's beutifull, my only complaint is that Baptista and Cohen play to "conventionally", I thought they will bring some improvi sation in, or some "variations" to Sparks arrangements, which on the f irst records were made without any improvisation. To my suprise, now S parks does improvis, but Cohen and Baptista just play straight section . __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: Chris Mcgregor Date: 05 Dec 2000 16:13:09 -0400 Hi there, sorry I missed this thread a couple of weeks ago. In regards to Chris McGregor and the Brotherhood of Breath/Blue Notes etc. I have a great CD that nobody mentioned of Chris McGregor and the Castle Lager Big Band called 'Jazz - the African Sound,' From Sept 1963 on "Teal" records. Does anyone know what the B.O.B album listed on Amazon with archie Shepp is like???? Thanks, Mike w np Bill Dixon - new one on FMP with Oxley and two bass players - I'll be playing it next year when people come around for Halloween, Hell of a good album - track 2 smokes (smolders is more of an accurate description). "I didn't come here, and I'm not leaving" - Willie Nelson. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: medeski,marin & wood Date: 05 Dec 2000 15:30:07 EST i think big-ups go to scott harding, their producer, as well. not that mm&w aren't the main reason for stellar performances.... dave bill laswell,mick harris,eraldo bernocchi and lori carson discographies : http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Fwd: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Date: 05 Dec 2000 20:37:46 -0000 My apologies to the list. I had gotten the text from a normally quite reliable source. But I see the Mexican and Peruvian dailies were also duped, so I don't feel quite so bad. B. Ashline _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Chris Mcgregor Date: 05 Dec 2000 13:04:57 -0800 On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:13:09 -0400 mwoodwor wrote: > > Hi there, sorry I missed this thread a couple of weeks ago. In regards to > Chris McGregor and the Brotherhood of Breath/Blue Notes etc. I have a great > CD that nobody mentioned of Chris McGregor and the Castle Lager Big Band You are lucky! I have never seen that one. Does anybody know if somebody carries it? > called 'Jazz - the African Sound,' From Sept 1963 on "Teal" records. Does > anyone know what the B.O.B album listed on Amazon with archie Shepp is > like???? Archie Shepp does not play on the record of which they show the sleeve (which is the sleeve of the first BoB on Neon, recently reissued). But there is effectively a BoB on a French label with Shepp, but something you can live without, specially if you don't have the other ones. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for books/medeski,marin & wood Date: 05 Dec 2000 16:06:20 EST From what i remember there is about a fifteen page bio and interveiw with zorn in Howard Mandel's book Future Jazz. I can't remember what else is in it, but at the time it didn't seem to be worth the hardcover price. It is now it softback, though. ~eriedell In a message dated 12/5/00 11:55:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: << > > Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative > > music in general and John Zorn particularly? Like someone mentioned, "Arkana" which Zorn put together is essential reading. One of the best books about music I have ever come across. I think Zorn mentions that most of the people who writes in it chose music as their form of expression, instead of writing, so some of it might be a bit "rough". True. But I much prefer this to the perfectionist-but-empty-and-boring writing of many critics. >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drivymovie@aol.com Subject: web address for Merkin Concert Hall-NYC? Date: 05 Dec 2000 18:38:53 EST Does anyone know the addess for Merkin Hall website? I'd like to check out what events are scheduled there (I know Denman Maroney is playing there in January with Mark Dresser, Kevin Norton, and Dave Ballou), but I did a search, and nothing came up. Thanks in advance! -Evan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: web address for Merkin Concert Hall-NYC? Date: 05 Dec 2000 18:45:22 -0500 Hello Evan, Check it here: http://ekcc.org/merkin.html. Tuesday, December 05, 2000, you wrote to me: Dac> Does anyone know the addess for Merkin Hall website? I'd like to check out Dac> what events are scheduled there (I know Denman Maroney is playing there in Dac> January with Mark Dresser, Kevin Norton, and Dave Ballou), but I did a Dac> search, and nothing came up. Thanks in advance! Dac> -Evan Dac> - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Joe Morris and Chicago Date: 05 Dec 2000 21:59:34 -0500 Hello, I read recently of a recording of Eugene Chadbourne and Joe Morris where Joe says this is amongst his most favorite recordings he has ever done. When this will be released is anyone's guess. I want to solicit comments on the obvious rift between AACM members here in Chicago and the local avant guys (ie: Vandermark, Lonberg Holm, Jeb Bishop and all the rest.) From what I can tell these two factions seems to keep there distance. With the exception of Hamid Drake (who transcends all human experience) and Jeff Parker, there seems to be very little interplay between AACM and the "white" avant scene. Fred Anderson (who is the proprietor of the Velvet Lounge) also crosses the divide but it seems mostly when its in his monetary interest to do so. AACM uses the expression "Great Black Music" and I'm sure this has been a topic of conversation between numerous folks associated with creative music in Chicago. Kahil El Zabar recently had to defend himself about not introducing Ken Vandermark at the Lester Bowie memorial concert. Chicago has matured from when I lived here in 90' to 93'. Jim O'rourke, who recently stated "nobody seems to be taking chances in Chicago anymore" and "everybody now seems to be professionals" is telling. Any comments, Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Joe Morris and Chicago Date: 05 Dec 2000 22:12:44 -0500 > I read recently of a recording of Eugene Chadbourne and Joe Morris where Joe > says this is amongst his most favorite > recordings he has ever done. When this will be released is anyone's guess. Paul: It's been out for a few months now. It's called 'Pain Pen' and also features Mark Dresser and Susie Ibarra. It's on Avant, Zorn's Japanese label, so you should be able to find it easily - it'll just cost a few dollars more. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Matt Moran, "Slugging a Vampire," 'Sideshow - Songs of Charles Ives' (CD-R, February release on CRI) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Fw: [CV] Moonraker Date: 06 Dec 2000 13:58:03 +1030 I just found this on the Ipecac site in the news section. I guess it = was luck I looked there just as this had been posted: |=20 | 12/05/2000 - Here is what might be a once in a lifetime show! We have = just confirmed Moonraker at the Knitting Factory LA on Dec 18th, that's = right the day after Fant=F4mas. Moonraker will consist of Mike Patton, = Dj Eddie Def & Buckethead!!!!!! opening act to be named soon. tickets on = sale soon.=20 |=20 | I don't think I even need to ask if anyone will be recording this for = those of us not in the US. | Later, | Cameron. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: classic rock Date: 05 Dec 2000 22:05:41 -0600 classic rock. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. 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"and Yamamoto on guitar he arrived from the Kansai bluegrass scene and shredded all opposition with straight and twisted technique) "
 
  this quote is from the Wish You Were Hideous interview... got it on internet. 
   is this true that Eye came from a japanese bluegrass scene?  and why was i not informed that there is such a thing?  where can i learn more about this?
 
  -samuel
 
 

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- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass Date: 07 Dec 2000 02:04:30 +1100 Are you implying that this Yamamoto guy is Eye, as in the Boredoms guy? His name changed around a bit, but it was never Yamamoto... > "and Yamamoto on guitar he arrived from the Kansai bluegrass scene and shredded all opposition with straight and twisted technique) " > > this quote is from the Wish You Were Hideous interview... got it on internet. > is this true that Eye came from a japanese bluegrass scene? and why was i not informed that there is such a thing? where can i learn more about this? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass Date: 06 Dec 2000 11:22:12 -0500 (EST) Gee, Sam, I don't know why no one "informed" you. Is your e-mail address in general circulation? If so, then it should be easy for music makers to "inform" you every time there's a new genre of music with which you're not familiar. Have you already posted those genres *you* do know about? Knowing that, it will be easier for musical explorers to contact you with the latest genre names before they start playing them. Ken Waxman --- samuel yrui wrote: is this true that Eye came from a japanese bluegrass scene?  and why was i not informed that there is such a thing? - _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Allen" Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass Date: 06 Dec 2000 12:56:28 -0500 Yamamoto is Yamamoto Seiichi, the main guitar player in Boredoms. He also has a million other projects. ----Original Message Follows---- Are you implying that this Yamamoto guy is Eye, as in the Boredoms guy? His name changed around a bit, but it was never Yamamoto... > "and Yamamoto on guitar he arrived from the Kansai bluegrass scene and shredded all opposition with straight and twisted technique) " > > this quote is from the Wish You Were Hideous interview... got it on internet. > is this true that Eye came from a japanese bluegrass scene? and why was i not informed that there is such a thing? where can i learn more about this? - _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Motion Poetry Date: 06 Dec 2000 13:17:39 -0500 Hello All, Was anybody except me at the Knit yesterday? where Pavone/Musillami presented their new album? The music was good but I couldn't stop thinking that it was Pavone trio with the special guest who didn't really fit in the ensemble. Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Motion Poetry Date: 06 Dec 2000 10:39:30 -0800 On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:17:39 -0500 Peter Gannushkin wrote: > > Hello All, > > Was anybody except me at the Knit yesterday? where Pavone/Musillami > presented their new album? What is the title, label, and musicians on this new record? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Motion Poetry Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:36:04 -0500 Hello Patrice, Here is the info from Knit web site: Mario Pavone, Michael Musillami & Motion Poetry Motion Poetry is a new quartet co-led by bassist Mario Pavone and guitarist Michael Musillami. In the liner notes to their stunning new CD, just released on Playscape Recordings, Grammy Award-winning writer Bob Blumenthal states, "This quartet has its own unique sound, one defined by the urgent inventions,deep groove and challenging themes of the two leaders." Also with Peter Madsen-piano and Mike Sarin-drums. Label's web site is http://www.playscape-recordings.com/. Wednesday, December 06, 2000, you wrote to me: PLR> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:17:39 -0500 Peter Gannushkin wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Was anybody except me at the Knit yesterday? where Pavone/Musillami >> presented their new album? PLR> What is the title, label, and musicians on this new record? PLR> Thanks, PLR> Patrice. PLR> - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass Date: 06 Dec 2000 11:41:04 -0800 By the way, did anyone noticed that the new Boredoms sound is way different nowadays?I liked it....but what I would like to ask is this:did Eye perfom live with Praxis???Cause he sang on Sacrifist... Tataris, Mandara Pyramid Suicide Action >From: "Richard Allen" >To: jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass >Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:56:28 -0500 > >Yamamoto is Yamamoto Seiichi, the main guitar player in Boredoms. He also >has a million other projects. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Julian" >To: "samuel yrui" , >Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:04:30 +1100 > >Are you implying that this Yamamoto guy is Eye, as in the Boredoms guy? His >name changed around a bit, but it was never Yamamoto... > > > "and Yamamoto on guitar he arrived from the Kansai bluegrass scene and >shredded all opposition with straight and twisted technique) " > > > > this quote is from the Wish You Were Hideous interview... got it on >internet. > > is this true that Eye came from a japanese bluegrass scene? and why >was i not informed that there is such a thing? where can i learn more about >this? > > > >- > > >_____________________________________________________________________________________ >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > >- http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re joe morris and chicago Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:47:59 -0500 hi paul. i've not spent much time in chicago in a long time, but i've got a couple skittering comments for you. one is that years ago i asked then aacm president mwata bowden if the 'great black music' moniker meant that only blacks could join. he said no, but anyone who joined had to do so with a conception of and respect for the tradition of african and african-american music. interestingly, that was around the time ken vandermark (and maybe tim mulvena or someone?) had just started hanging around the aacm's south side school. from long distance, vandermark seems to be the one crossing the race divide so prevalent in chicago (and not just among musicians -- chicago's one of the damn most segregated cities i've seen). along with the people you mentioned (anderson, drake), vandermark has recorded with the great joe mcphee (have you been listening to him yet, p?), and his tributes to sun ra, george clinton and joe harriot certainly suggest that he's not the seperatist. i always got the feeling in chicago that the aacm is very steeped in their own tradition, in large part a 60s sorta sanders thang. i love the music they make, but they're pretty conservative in their view of the canon, so to speak. for zample, a profile i wrote about the school once ran in a local rag under the heading 'noise', which was used throughout the music section. a number of guys were really pissed about that, even though it was obviously seperate from the article. so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't have much use for the o'rourke ilk. the segregationist psychology of the town spills over into the arts, which is a shame (especially if you notice how lilly-white the audience is (or was several years back) at many of their shows). and yeah, pain pen is great. also includes the rhythm section of susie ibarra and mark dresser. watta rumble! well worth the jap import price. plus, all of the titles are comprised of the letters in pauline oliveros' name. kg np: love - forever changes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: re joe morris and chicago Date: 06 Dec 2000 15:00:12 -0500 kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > and yeah, pain pen is great. also includes the rhythm section of susie ibarra > and mark dresser. watta rumble! well worth the jap import price. plus, all of > the titles are comprised of the letters in pauline oliveros' name. Now THAT I'd never noticed before. Fascinating! Have any of the bandmembers besides Susie also worked with Pauline? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: re joe morris and chicago Date: 06 Dec 2000 15:16:43 -0500 Hey Kurt, I think you make a good point below. I definitely see the separation as more social (and musical) than racial (though the social aspect is obviously tied to race). Also, the AACM guys are generally a different generation, and the ones you (or someone else?) mentioned that cross lines are probably not coincidentally also young (Jeff Parker, Hamid Drake). Also, I agree with you that the AACM (and free/avant/third-stream jazz in general) is generally in a different tradition than a lot of the young, white improvisers in Chicago, who seem to come more from the European mentality of non-idiomatic improvisation. Not to mention rock music, either explicitly (Jeb Bishop used to play bass in a rock band, and a lot of the other improvisers have appeared on rock records) or inherently via attitude or just growing up with it. As for adding people to the list of those who "cross the divide," aren't Chad Taylor and Rob Mazurek (Chicago Underground Duo) both black? And they play in free-jazz ensembles with the likes of David Boykin and on Sam Prekop's record. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:47 PM > i always got the feeling in chicago that the aacm is very steeped in their own > tradition, in large part a 60s sorta sanders thang. i love the music they make, > but they're pretty conservative in their view of the canon, so to speak. for > zample, a profile i wrote about the school once ran in a local rag under the > heading 'noise', which was used throughout the music section. a number of guys > were really pissed about that, even though it was obviously seperate from the > article. > > so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't have much use for the o'rourke ilk. > the segregationist psychology of the town spills over into the arts, which is a > shame (especially if you notice how lilly-white the audience is (or was several > years back) at many of their shows). > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Re[2]: re joe morris and chicago Date: 06 Dec 2000 15:27:15 -0500 > and yeah, pain pen is great. also includes the rhythm section of susie ibarra > and mark dresser. watta rumble! well worth the jap import price. plus, all of > the titles are comprised of the letters in pauline oliveros' name. susie pointed that out to me after her duo with eugene at tonic in august. she was obviously really thrilled with the record, as well as the set. (she was also all laughs from the bar during eugene's set, when he played 'cheap filipino labor' to the tune of 'ring of fire.' eugene was talking with us and, while he didn't say anything directly about oliveros, he was clearly tickled with the hidden tribute. none of which answers your question, but i guess i don't know the answer. i seem to remember seeing dresser play with her (although maybe i'm getting oliveros confused with diamanda galas [uproariously howling emoticon face]). kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: re joe morris and chicago Date: 06 Dec 2000 15:34:26 -0500 Jesse Kudler wrote: > the ones you (or someone else?) mentioned that cross lines are probably > not coincidentally also young (Jeff Parker, Hamid Drake). I don't actually think Hamid's all that young, depending on your definition. He's 45, which is younger than most AACM guys now, I guess. And I am not certain Drake's actually an AACM member, either, though he does play with some of them (and which is splitting hairs and doesn't really disprove your real point). He's not listed on the website (www.aacmchicago.org), anyway. Anyone know for sure? > As for adding people to the list of those who "cross the divide," aren't > Chad Taylor and Rob Mazurek (Chicago Underground Duo) both black? Chad is. Rob is "another white guy with a soul patch," as someone somewhere once said... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: "Songs in the Key of Z" Date: 06 Dec 2000 20:08:36 EST --part1_83.3e229b9.27603d14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, This has probably been brought up on the list, but the book "Songs in the Key of Z" mentions Zorn twice, and includes a quote on the back from the man, "Iconoclast/upstart Irwin Chusid has written a meticulously researched and passionate cry shedding long-overdue light upon some of the guiltiest musical innocents of the twentieth century. An indispensable classic that defines the indefinable." from, matt http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins --part1_83.3e229b9.27603d14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey,
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passionate cry shedding long-overdue light upon some of the guiltiest musical
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http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins --part1_83.3e229b9.27603d14_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: french pop Date: 06 Dec 2000 19:27:13 -0800 (PST) Just wondering if anyone on this list had recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy, gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this genre. thanks. aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: Branded to Kill/movie suggestions Date: 06 Dec 2000 22:01:50 -0600 Hi, Sorry if this has been mentioned before. The DVD release of Seijun Suzuki's "Branded to Kill" has as one of its special features "Vintage Japanese film ephemera from the collection of John Zorn". Has anyone seen this movie/special feature? I have about $50 in gift certificates to amazon.com (I like them despite the price discrimination) and it's burning a hole... Also, if anyone has any other movie/dvd suggestions please post them (or e-mail me privately if it is too off-topic). Thanks, Ben _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 06 Dec 2000 23:07:55 -0500 Hello All, Just came home from amazing blowing away Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey jam at the Tonic. I expected something interesting but not so outstanding and absolutely great show. I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, preferably on-line? Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 06 Dec 2000 23:22:30 -0500 > Just came home from amazing blowing away > Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey jam at the Tonic. I expected > something interesting but not so outstanding and absolutely great > show. I was there too. It was only pretty good in my opinion. There were some great points and some not so great points. Gibbs was good and interesting. I hadn't seen him before. Ducret was actually annoying to me. Not until the very end did he play much in the way of notes. He played in his staccato style for much of the set and was WAY too loud at points. Anyway... I enjoyed it. > I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and > Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, > preferably on-line? JMT is out of print. There is a really great solo record on Berne's Screwgun Records. http://www.screwgunrecords.com/ Dan Hewins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 06 Dec 2000 23:41:58 -0500 Hello Dan, Wednesday, December 06, 2000, you wrote to me: >> Just came home from amazing blowing away >> Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey jam at the Tonic. I expected >> something interesting but not so outstanding and absolutely great >> show. DH> I was there too. It was only pretty good in my opinion. There were DH> some great points and some not so great points. Gibbs was good and DH> interesting. I hadn't seen him before. Me neither. Although I cannot say that I liked him so much or at least completely understood what he was doing. DH> Ducret was actually annoying to me. Not until the very end did he DH> play much in the way of notes. He played in his staccato style for DH> much of the set and was WAY too loud at points. I liked him most of all I think. I heard some his recorded music but couldn't expect that it would be so much fun to watch and listen him playing. Cannot say that he played too loud. What I enjoyed a lot was how was he playing. It seemed to me that all this technical tricks supposed to sound dirty and messy but they didn't. DH> Anyway... I enjoyed it. >> I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and >> Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, >> preferably on-line? DH> JMT is out of print. There is a really great solo record on Berne's DH> Screwgun Records. http://www.screwgunrecords.com/ Yes, I know. There is also interesting record on Winter & Winter but I really want to find JMT and Label Bleu. I know that JMT is hard to find but probably there is some place which still has it. BTW, is anybody going to repress JMT's catalog? -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Branded to Kill/movie suggestions Date: 06 Dec 2000 23:52:50 -0500 >Sorry if this has been mentioned before. The DVD release of Seijun Suzuki's >"Branded to Kill" has as one of its special features "Vintage Japanese film >ephemera from the collection of John Zorn". Has anyone seen this >movie/special feature? I have about $50 in gift certificates to It's mostly (all?) movie posters if I remember right; can check this weekend if it's important. A nice extra but nothing too exciting. "Branded to Kill" however is absolutely amazing, one of the rare genuine what-the-hell films and one that holds up. There are five other Suzuki films available in the US, all of them worth seeing though Tokyo Drifter and Elegy to Violence are the top priorities. If you're interested in Japanese films of that era definitely don't miss the ultra-nihilistic Female Convict Scorpion: Jailhouse 41 and the goofy Black Tight Killers. Coming out at the end of December are two films from Koji Wakamatsu who made Bataille-like mixes of porn, Godard and politics. There's a ton of great work from this period though mostly hard to find in the US. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 06 Dec 2000 21:17:58 -0800 At 11:07 PM 12/6/00, Peter Gannushkin wrote: >Hello All, > > Just came home from amazing blowing away > Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey jam at the Tonic. I expected > something interesting but not so outstanding and absolutely great > show. Is that Gibbs as in Melvin Gibbs? If so, sounds like an amazing band! Geez, you New Yorkers get all the great shows. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 01:05:46 -0500 Dan and Peter: Thanks for the report. I'd planned to be at this show (as I boasted here last week), but got sick instead. Damn. Cosmic justice, I suppose. >From what I can tell, it seems that this phase of Tim's music is perhaps still struggling to coallesce. I've felt the same about earlier shows with various fractals of this group - I still don't feel as confident that Taborn has found his way into the music as Tim does, apparently. The one time I've really felt like I was getting a grasp of his latest bag was at the Knit last year, again during one of Ducret's rare visits (Tony Malaby, Taborn and Rainey completed the band that night). Gibbs was the main draw for me tonight, mainly as odd man out. I'm still sorry I missed it. Did anyone hear Tim with Taborn, Rainey and Herb Robertson last Friday? (Hell, for that matter, did ANYBODY hear the Butch Morris conduction at the Knit last Friday, when he was to have led performers in all four Knit play-spaces simultaneously? Curious silence about that event, I'd say...) Peter - check Cadence for Ducret's Label Bleu stuff. They still had it not so terribly long ago. As for the JMT stuff - keep wishing. Neither Stefan Winter nor Polygram/Universal (or whatever they're called this week) has paid the slightest attention to rereleasing this music or letting the artists have it back to issue themselves. It's a damn shame. Re: Ducret: the solo albums on Screwgun and Winter & Winter are fine indeed. But it was the trio album on Screwgun, 'l'ombra di verdi,' that really confirmed Ducret's gift to these ears. I plan to hear him with Malaby, Rainey and Mike Formanek on Sunday night at the Knit - if I don't get poisoned by my dinner again, that is... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: ducret/w+w/jmt Date: 07 Dec 2000 01:13:43 EST In a message dated 12/7/00 1:18:42 AM, you wrote: << Yes, I know. There is also interesting record on Winter & Winter but I really want to find JMT and Label Bleu. I know that JMT is hard to find but probably there is some place which still has it. BTW, is anybody going to repress JMT's catalog?>> didnt like ducret's stuff, found it boring. was surprised i like the screwgun disc so much, very much. last week found an old label bleu of ducret's cheap and tried it; wishy washy stuff. JMT has become winter + winter, and nils winter currently would prefer to put out new releases than reissues. glad i have them cassandra wilson JMTs! --steve koenig n.p.: fred van hove & ivo vander borght: lust (WIMpro discs) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass Date: 07 Dec 2000 00:22:35 -0600 oops... sorry... it was honestly one of those brain fart things... though i haven't heard a lot of other Yamamoto stuff... i knew it was Yamantaka/Yamatsuka. just getting names mixed up. sorry. -samuel Are you implying that this Yamamoto guy is Eye, as in the Boredoms guy? His name changed around a bit, but it was never Yamamoto... > "and Yamamoto on guitar he arrived from the Kansai bluegrass scene and shredded all opposition with straight and twisted technique) " > > this quote is from the Wish You Were Hideous interview... got it on internet. > is this true that Eye came from a japanese bluegrass scene? and why was i not informed that there is such a thing? where can i learn more about this? _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 01:52:39 -0500 Hello Steve, Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: SS> Did anyone hear Tim with Taborn, Rainey and Herb Robertson last SS> Friday? SS> (Hell, for that matter, did ANYBODY hear the Butch Morris conduction at the SS> Knit last Friday, when he was to have led performers in all four Knit SS> play-spaces simultaneously? Curious silence about that event, I'd say...) We (my wife and I) just decided to have a week break of concerts so we missed everything last week. It was a bad decision probably. SS> Peter - check Cadence for Ducret's Label Bleu stuff. They still had it not SS> so terribly long ago. What is Cadence? I heard that it is a store somewhere but where can I find it? SS> As for the JMT stuff - keep wishing. Neither Stefan Winter nor SS> Polygram/Universal (or whatever they're called this week) has paid SS> the slightest attention to rereleasing this music or letting the SS> artists have it back to issue themselves. It's a damn shame. That's sad in some way. But as an unemployed freak I cannot buy everything I want to. Although I hate to think that when I will finally find the job I will not have time to listen to all this music. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 09:53:01 +0100 I'm not sure Ducret's Label Bleu albums are really worth checking out. It's his older stuff, and at thaht time he wasn't really the Marc Ducret we know now. Kind of an Abercrombie wannabe... To my ears, his first really interesting album under his own name was "News from the front" on JMT (he was already playing with Tim Berne on his JMT records). And then came the W&W and Screwgun stuff you all know. So maybe try to listen to sound samples of those Label Bleu before buying them, otherwise, you might be disappointed. Is that band (Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey) the one that is called "Quicksand"? Because Quicksand is going to play by here in April, so.... Pascal. At 23:07 06/12/00 -0500, Peter Gannushkin wrote: >Hello All, > > Just came home from amazing blowing away > Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey jam at the Tonic. I expected > something interesting but not so outstanding and absolutely great > show. > > I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and > Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, > preferably on-line? > >Best regards, >Peter Gannushkin >e-mail: shkin@shkin.com >URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: phil minton solo??? Date: 07 Dec 2000 10:15:57 +0100 (MET) i saw phil minton live for the first time on monday. he played in a duo with bob ostertag here in tuebingen, germany. it was amazing!!! since i already own alot of ostertag's material, i was really interested in hearing what minton had to add....well what can i say. the man is a genius. but here is my question: what records/cds have been released by minton as a SOLO artist. any recommendations??? thanks bjoern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 12:12:56 +0100 You can find samples of Ducret's Label Bleu albums at http://www.fnac.com Search for marc Ducret, then click on "Voir les 12 titres vari=E9t=E9s" and = the chose your album. My favorite may be "Gris". You can also order them from here. All the best, Pascal. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 06:54:54 -0500 At 11:07 PM 12/6/00 -0500, Peter Gannushkin wrote: > > I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and > Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, > preferably on-line? Try Cadence, http://www.cadencebuilding.com. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 13:29:02 +0100 ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "aaron chua" Do: Wyslano: 7 grudnia 2000 04:27 Temat: french pop | Just wondering if anyone on this list had | recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy, | gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this | genre. | thanks. | | aaron Don't miss magnificent Claudine Longet - voice something beetween early Faithfull or Nico and Julee Cruise. One more "Minnie the Mouse on Belladonna" Jerzy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: RE: phil minton solo??? Date: 07 Dec 2000 09:47:41 -0500 (EST) At 10:15 07/12/00 +0100, lucky zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de wrote: >but here is my question: what records/cds have been released by minton as >a SOLO artist. any recommendations??? A DOUGHNUT IN BOTH HANDS (SOLO SINGING) Phil MINTON EMANEM, 1998, 1975 - 1982. A DOUGHNUT IN ONE HAND (SOLO VOICE) Phil MINTON FMP, 1998. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 10:28:57 -0500 Hello Pascal, Thanks for your advices. Quicksand is almost this band. There are four guys except Melvin Gibbs in it. Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: PC> I'm not sure Ducret's Label Bleu albums are really worth checking out. It's PC> his older stuff, and at thaht time he wasn't really the Marc Ducret we know PC> now. Kind of an Abercrombie wannabe... PC> To my ears, his first really interesting album under his own name was "News PC> from the front" on JMT (he was already playing with Tim Berne on his JMT PC> records). And then came the W&W and Screwgun stuff you all know. PC> So maybe try to listen to sound samples of those Label Bleu before buying PC> them, otherwise, you might be disappointed. PC> Is that band (Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey) the one that is called PC> "Quicksand"? Because Quicksand is going to play by here in April, so.... PC> Pascal. PC> At 23:07 06/12/00 -0500, Peter Gannushkin wrote: >>Hello All, >> >> Just came home from amazing blowing away >> Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey jam at the Tonic. I expected >> something interesting but not so outstanding and absolutely great >> show. >> >> I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and >> Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, >> preferably on-line? >> >>Best regards, >>Peter Gannushkin >>e-mail: shkin@shkin.com >>URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ PC> - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: ebay Date: 07 Dec 2000 11:03:03 EST in case anyone is interested, someone i know is selling a few zorn related cds (some company 91 and the tom cora 2cd tribute) on ebay. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=felix-miro&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 11:16:25 -0500 (EST) Ducret also does good work on Tony Malaby's Sabino CD with Malaby (tenor saxophone),Michael Formanek (bass) and Tom Rainey (drums) Ken Waxman --- Dan Hewins wrote: opinion. > JMT is out of print. There is a really great solo > record on Berne's > Screwgun Records. http://www.screwgunrecords.com/ _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 09:01:26 -0800 On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:27:13 -0800 (PST) aaron chua wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone on this list had > recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy, > gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this > genre. Plenty of recommendations!!! Just a few to start: Jacques Brel The closest you can get of somebody singing with his skin removed. Get a compilation with the following songs: "Mathilde" "Le Plat Pays" "Le Port d'Amsterdam" "Ces Gens-La" If you like Scott Walker, you should check his record of Brel covers (quite good and which could help if any language barrier). Jacques Dutronc Expert at playing the diletante but his name is attached to many of the most memorable French songs ("Il est 5h. Paris s'eveille" is maybe the best French song ever written in the past 40 years). It is amazing to see how his cynicism, so out of place in the late '60s, hits right where it hurts. Serge Gainsbourg Master of words and always an eye opened on new musical trends. He wrote some of the most memorable songs of French repertoire. His cynicism (about love, usually), has not aged at all and the music still sounds fresh. Zillions of compilations are available, and try to get one with the following songs: "La Javanaise" "Bonnie and Clyde" "Melody Nelson" "Le Poinconneur des Lilas" Capitol recently put out a collection of three CD covering his main periods/styles: - jazz (fifties) - rock (sixties) - percussion (strong African beats) You should try them, but after getting a more global compilation first. Georges Brassens Might almost be the equivalent of country for non-American: a diffi- cult value to export and appreciate :-). Very minimal music (usually just an acoustic guitar and an acoustic bass). If you do not understand French, you might have a hard time to really appreciate him since lyrics are what Brassens is really about. Barbara One of the top ladies of French singing. Grandiose as a comedian delivering Shakespeare. "L'Aigle Noir" is one of her greatest song. Great vocal capabilities and sophisticated texts. There are fantastic compilations available at very low prices of most of these artists. When there are different volumes, get the first one (which usually has the most famous songs). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Diaz Subject: Eyvind Kang Live-NYC-12/9, 12/10 Date: 07 Dec 2000 09:08:16 -0800 (PST) (REVISED to include second show) Please note: Eyvind Kang w/Samsara Q @ GALAPAGOS (Williamsburg) Saturday, Dec 9, 10 pm, $5 Mr. Kang* will help kick off the first in a series called: Nect@r=a laboratory of electronic & live instrumentation. -Samsara Q Shahzad Ismaily (bass) Joel Saladino (drum) William Redmond (guitar) Andy Diaz (trumpet) Also, Simon Sun of Plan Nyne, and other guests. Sun, Dec 10 at TONIC in the Lower East Side: Eyvind Kang's PETRIFIED WOOD at 8 & 10:00pm, $10 With Eyvind Kang (violin), Charlie Burnham (violin), Maryam Blacksher (viola), Jane Scarpantoni (cello), Kato Hideki (bass), Skuli Sverrisson (bass) & Shahzad Ismaily (bass). Audio mandalas and prayers based on pure geometric forms inspired by Leonard Peltier's prison writings. Tonight's music honors Peltier on international human rights day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 18:14:54 +0100 Interestingly enough, though, "Les croquants" on Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell trio first album ("the tiny bell trio", on Songlines) is a cover of a Georges Brassens song.... Pascal. At 09:01 07/12/00 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > >Georges Brassens > > Might almost be the equivalent of country for non-American: a diffi- > cult value to export and appreciate :-). > > Very minimal music (usually just an acoustic guitar and an acoustic > bass). If you do not understand French, you might have a hard time > to really appreciate him since lyrics are what Brassens is really > about. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 18:20:22 +0100 Oooops, Dave Douglas plays "Les Croquants" (a Georges Brassens song) on his album "Constellations" (HatOlogy). I should have checked.... Sorry for that. Pascal. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: Quick one regarding Xu Feng Date: 07 Dec 2000 09:35:32 -0800 As for this album, I thought Trey Spruance played on it....but I read somewhere it's Fred Firth.So,this means there are two guitar players on Xu Feng?I hadn't look at the cover of the cd yet,so I dunno who's playing what...anyone? Dragons, Shangkuan Lingfeng http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Branded to Kill/movie suggestions Date: 07 Dec 2000 09:37:35 -0800 This is a good bye! Fantastic film do get it. Also recommend Tokyo Drifter by the same director. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Re: Quick one regarding Xu Feng Date: 07 Dec 2000 18:42:03 +0100 Found on the Tzadik website: http://www.tzadik.com/ XU FENG Chris Brown: electronics=20 Fred Frith: guitars=20 Dave Lombardo: drums & percussion=20 John Schott: guitars=20 David Slusser: electronics=20 William Winant: drums & percussion=20 This exciting release initiates a new series of CDs documenting the best = of John Zorn=92s infamous game pieces. Composed largely between 1977 and 198= 9, these pieces harness improvisers in complex compositional formats, combining the unpredictable edge of improvisation with the structural integrity of written composition. Xu Feng was composed immediately after Zorn=92s most well-known game piece Cobra and is the most dynamic and fast-paced of them all. Intense and violent, and featuring an extraordina= ry band of Tzadik all-stars, Xu Feng captures the exciting Kung-fu action of the Chinese Martial Arts actress for which the piece is named.=20 Pascal. At 09:35 07/12/00 -0800, Fag music wrote: >As for this album, > I thought Trey Spruance played on it....but I read somewhere it's Fre= d Firth.So,this means there are two guitar players on Xu Feng?I hadn't look at the cover of the cd yet,so I dunno who's playing what...anyone? >Dragons, >Shangkuan Lingfeng > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) > > > >- > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer Subject: review request for filmworks IX Date: 07 Dec 2000 13:38:40 -0500 When somebody on the list hears Filmworks IX, please post a review. What I am most curious to find out is if this cd is "rehashed old material" or "new material". There have been some gems released in the filmworks series like "pueblo" (FW IV) and the Zorn/Ribot duets for Hollywood Hotel on FW III. Is FW IX a gem? Thanks. David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Joe Morris and Chicago Date: 07 Dec 2000 13:42:47 EST toulab@msn.com writes: > Kahil El Zabar recently had to defend > himself about not introducing Ken Vandermark > at the Lester Bowie memorial concert. I hadn't heard about this. So, what was his story? Speaking of Vandermark, I just picked up the 'Straight Lines' release and was once again not disappointed. I've decided to delve back into Vandermark's earlier recordings and just ordered his releases on Quinnah ('Standards', 'Utility Hitter', and 'Calling All Mothers')--looking forward to hearing them. maybe i'll work on the DKV Trio next? jeff caltabiano n.p. coltrane: transition - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: review request for filmworks IX Date: 07 Dec 2000 14:05:54 EST In a message dated 12/7/00 1:48:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, keffer@planetc.com writes: << When somebody on the list hears Filmworks IX, please post a review. What I am most curious to find out is if this cd is "rehashed old material" or "new material". There have been some gems released in the filmworks series like "pueblo" (FW IV) and the Zorn/Ribot duets for Hollywood Hotel on FW III. Is FW IX a gem? Thanks. David K. >> This is perhaps my favorite Zorn release since the Circle Maker. Strippped down, delicate, and infectiously melodic, the arrangements center around "Masada-like" melodies performed predominantly by just Jamie Saft (piano) and Chris Speed (clarinet). Cyro Baptista adds percussion to a couple of tunes, and Zorn adds hilarious, playful vocals (!!) to one track. So, to sum up: If you like Masada-type stuff, you'll probably love this. If you like the noisier, edgier group ensemble stuff, you might want to pass. For me, Filmworks 9 is pure bliss. Tom D. NP: Uri Caine's "Toys" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: ducret Date: 07 Dec 2000 14:09:30 -0500 there's two ducret titles on screwgun, a solo and a trio. also (at least) 2 on winter and winter, solo and w/big satan. all four are fantastic, imhfo. i remember bruce at dmg having some french titles which may have been the 'label bleu' releases. bruce described them to me as fusion. i asked tim berne if that description fit, and berne seemed really pissd and said 'he is so fucking misjudged.' most looking forward to the malaby/formaneck/ducret/rainey sets this weekend. tom rainey is one of the best kept secrets in nyc, and i've no freakin idea who's keeping the secret or why. kg np: love - forever changes (again?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: ducret Date: 07 Dec 2000 15:32:49 -0500 Hello Kurt, Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: ksc> there's two ducret titles on screwgun, a solo and a trio. also (at least) 2 on ksc> winter and winter, solo and w/big satan. all four are fantastic, imhfo. By chance I received Ducret's solo on W&W today. The critics was kind of bad about it but I really like the music and he is playing. It is recorded really good also with very atmospheric feeling of sound. BTW, don't want to make it as an ad, but I put pictures from the yesterday's concert to my web site and some of them (mostly Ducret and Gibbs) seem not so bad. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dekater" Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 22:11:11 +0100 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: aaron chua Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Datum: donderdag 7 december 2000 4:30 Onderwerp: french pop >Just wondering if anyone on this list had >recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy, >gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this >genre. >thanks. > >aaron ...and don't forget Boris Vian. There's a box of 6 cd's on PolyGram that contains the most of his songs. That is, one cd contains songs sung by Vian, on the other cd's are the songs interpreted by others such as: Henri Salvador, Juliette Greco, Joan Baez a.s.o. ...and Manu Chao (not quite French). Check out 'Clandestino'. Jan Luyben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 16:52:26 -0500 (EST) And what about: Charles Aznavour-- Has plenty of albums in English, including some where he sings translations of his more famous tunes like "What makes A Man, A Man" (Then you can compare them to his French versions on other albums) Yves Montand - a better actor than a singer, but still... Leo Ferre -- where else but France would a balding, bushy gray haired poet become a "pop star"? Edith Piaf -- you may think she belongs to an earlier tradition, but she had hits with Lieber & Stoller songs. Boris Vian - jazzman, writer, critic, novelist, singer (we've discussed him before on the list) Brigitte Bardot : ) Mes deux francs Ken l'hommee de cire --- "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > Plenty of recommendations!!! Just a few to start: > > Jacques Brel > Serge Gainsbourg > Georges Brassens > Barbara _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Torture Garden in Vinyl... Date: 07 Dec 2000 23:17:44 +0000 (WET) hi people... just saw Torture Garden in vinyl, just played twice at the store. 20$... oh, well, just had to share this... Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 18:30:43 EST In a message dated 12/7/2000 1:09:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > Thanks for the report. I'd planned to be at this show (as I boasted here > last week), but got sick instead. Damn. Cosmic justice, I suppose. I looked for you. : ))) > >From what I can tell, it seems that this phase of Tim's music is perhaps > still struggling to coallesce. I've felt the same about earlier shows with > various fractals of this group - I still don't feel as confident that > Taborn has found his way into the music as Tim does, apparently. The one > time I've really felt like I was getting a grasp of his latest bag was at > the Knit last year, again during one of Ducret's rare visits (Tony Malaby, > Taborn and Rainey completed the band that night). In case it wasnt mentioned, this gig with Melvin Gibbs at Tonic was an entirely improvised gig, and as to who the leader was, thats a bit arbitrary ... (Tim kept saying it's Melvin's gig) Anyways .... i thought it was great. Even the Stones' liked it. I dont think that this gig for Tim --- or the improvised gig he did a couple of months ago at Tonic with David Torn et al. -- are phases of his music so much as just getting together with musician friends and jamming. (And making a couple of bucks. Gotta make $.) However --- if you saw Tim Berne's "Almost Quicksand" at the Knitting Factory's Old Office last Thursday, Saturday, or Sunday ... then you would have seen where he's going with his music. And I think just about Anyone would have liked it !! They played at least two new tunes that have never been played before. The band is a trio with Craig Taborn on keys (mostly Fender rhodes, and some other old analog style synth sounds thrown in --- apparently often at random) and Tom Rainey on drums. They played a few gigs at the Knit back in May under the name Quicksand, and now they are definitely starting to gel as a band and form an identity. The band will eventually be called "Low Ball", and also feature Marc Ducret on guitar and Tony Malaby on sax. They are planning to tour Europe in March, and there will be another Old Office run right before that. Steve, shouldnt You be telling us this ? : ))) > Gibbs was the main draw for me tonight, mainly as odd man out. I'm still > sorry I missed it. Did anyone hear Tim with Taborn, Rainey and Herb > Robertson last Friday? Yep, also an improvised gig, and very enjoyable ! Great to see Herb live after hearing him on many recordings. -Jody - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 15:33:38 -0800 on 12/7/00 1:11 PM, dekater at dekater@worldonline.nl wrote: >=20 > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: aaron chua > Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Datum: donderdag 7 december 2000 4:30 > Onderwerp: french pop >=20 >=20 >> Just wondering if anyone on this list had >> recommendations for French pop (francoise hardy, >> gainsbourg, brel et al) ? just curious about this >> genre. >> thanks. >>=20 >> aaron >=20 >=20 >=20 > ...and don't forget Boris Vian. There's a box of 6 cd's on PolyGram that > contains the most of his songs. That is, one cd contains songs sung by Vi= an, > on the other cd's are the songs interpreted by others such as: Henri > Salvador, Juliette Greco, Joan Baez a.s.o. >=20 > ...and Manu Chao (not quite French). Check out 'Clandestino'. >=20 > Jan Luyben >=20 >=20 > - >=20 >=20 I am really curious about this box set. Also the work of Henri Salvador. = I presume that he's a major entertainer in France. What kind of work did he do with Vian? ...and oh, if anyone is interested TamTam will be publishing a new translation of Vian's L'=E9cume des jours next year. --=20 Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 15:36:03 -0800 Also there is one other French pop artist (group) I like: Les Rita Mitsuoko. They sound like a combination of Sparks and T-Rex. I am kind of surprised that they are not more well-known in the U.S. I think they are a terrific 'pop' band. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 15:46:21 -0800 On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:36:03 -0800 Tosh wrote: > > Les Rita Mitsuoko. They sound like a combination of Sparks and T-Rex. I > am kind of surprised that they are not more well-known in the U.S. I think > they are a terrific 'pop' band. They were very big in France ten years ago, to the point that even the English (Virgin) signed them. And it is not very frequent that an English label signs a French rock group (for good reasons, I have to confess :-). The last time that a new French band got some limited exposure in the US, it was with La Mano Negra. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: french pop Date: 07 Dec 2000 15:54:46 -0800 On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:33:38 -0800 Tosh wrote: > > I am really curious about this box set. Also the work of Henri Salvador. I > presume that he's a major entertainer in France. What kind of work did he > do with Vian? Salvador was one of Vian's favorite interprets. Many famous hits by Salvador were written by Vian (usually funny ones, if I remember well). > ...and oh, if anyone is interested TamTam will be publishing a new > translation of Vian's L'écume des jours next year. That's a good news because Vian deserves to be better known. He has this absurd humour and atemporality (?) that are quite unique (check L'AUTOMNE A PEKIN). For a long time he was considered as a writer for teenagers, but I think that his achievements have been reavaluated in the past 20 years. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada Date: 07 Dec 2000 18:56:55 EST I distinctly remember "the last Masada shows" which were performed on the floor of the Knitting Factory's main space back in ... September of 1997. I heard the words come right out of Zorn's mouth. Dont believe everything you read .... -Jody - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 00:27:46 >The book is worth the price alone for Marc Ribots contribution. Very >funny >and extremely well-written. I wish he would quick some of his >more mundane >studiosessions (James Carter aaarrgghh) and start writing >more. >Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is >playing on it. ????? How is James Carter mundane and MMW not? I am not saying that either is mundane (or not mundane for that matter). But, if you look at who is on the James Carter CD (Tacuma, Weston, etc.) in addition to looking at the kind of music they are playing, then I don't see how that could be considered mundane in comparison to MMW. When I saw Carter with basically the same band (unfortunately without Ribot), they were a lot more interesting (to me) and certainly more "out" than MMW. Help me out here. WY _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 07 Dec 2000 19:52:38 -0500 Hello William, I saw Carter with this new band too (with D.D. Jackson on keyboards instead of Ribot on guitar) and I cannot say that it was more "out" than MMW. It was kind of ok music and mostly not exciting. I was disappointed that it sounded worse than on the CD. Although I strongly dislike last MMW concert in New York (with Ribot, BTW) in general their music seems much more interesting to me. All other concerts I saw, including amazing Medeski/Allen set at Tonic, acoustic MMW at Angel Orensanz and many other jam projects, were great. I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of just perfect versions of well known music. Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: >>The book is worth the price alone for Marc Ribots contribution. Very >funny >>and extremely well-written. I wish he would quick some of his >more mundane >>studiosessions (James Carter aaarrgghh) and start writing >more. >>Slightly related: how is the new Medeski, Martin & Wood? I see Ribot is >>playing on it. WY> ????? How is James Carter mundane and MMW not? I am not saying that either WY> is mundane (or not mundane for that matter). But, if you look at who is on WY> the James Carter CD (Tacuma, Weston, etc.) in addition to looking at the WY> kind of music they are playing, then I don't see how that could be WY> considered mundane in comparison to MMW. When I saw Carter with basically WY> the same band (unfortunately without Ribot), they were a lot more WY> interesting (to me) and certainly more "out" than MMW. Help me out here. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 19:52:17 -0500 IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > I looked for you. : ))) Nice to see you active on the list again, Jody. I was beginning to wonder... :-) > I dont think that this gig for Tim --- or > the improvised gig he did a couple of months ago at Tonic with David Torn et > al. -- are phases of his music so much as just getting together with > musician friends and jamming. That's a useful insight. I was at the Torn gig (as you know!) and was able to hear it for exactly what it was - an open workshop rehearsal. There was some strong stuff and some stretches of simply mucking about, exploring, which can also be very fine. But I'd brought a friend along - a guitar freak who digs Torn - and he was not long for the door - he couldn't handle such loud and chaotic music. Now that you mention last night's performance was along those lines, then I don't mind quite as much having missed it (although again it would have been great to hear Gibbs in this setting). I'm sure that there was similar sonic shrapnel flying around, but I have to admit a preference for Berne's composing. He's just such a brilliant writer. Mind you, I do love Paraphrase, but even though they improvise completely, there's a highly developed chemistry within that band. It's not predictable, but it's always organic and conversational. It's kind of like something Joe McPhee told me about his own preferred style of working lately. He works with musicians with whom he feels he shares a language, and when they get together, they don't discuss music at all. They talk politics, religion, chit-chat, whatever, and then they just go on and play. In Berne's case, when Torn came in it was like having someone who didn't *quite* speak the language, and it forced everyone to adapt. Similarly, it took Taborn (by his own admission) a while to come into Tim's music, though I don't doubt your word or Tim's that Craig's now arrived. The opposite - Derek Bailey's old Company Weeks, when he would purposefully unite musicians who didn't know each other at all, could also yield fascinating results. But in the case of Berne, I guess I bring my own prejudices and preferences to the mix. Maybe that's my problem. > However --- if you saw Tim Berne's "Almost Quicksand" at the Knitting > Factory's Old Office last Thursday, Saturday, or Sunday ... then you would > have seen where he's going with his music. I missed this entire run of shows. But as I mentioned, the one gig I did see last time Ducret was in town (Tony Malaby was in that one as well), the compostions had finally begun to gel. It was like a veil had been lifted - I told Tim that night that it was the first time I'd really been able to follow "Sketches of Pain" from start to finish. (It was much the same in the earliest days of bloodcount, so I have high hopes for this next phase.) > The band will eventually be called "Low Ball", and also feature Marc Ducret > on guitar and Tony Malaby on sax. They are planning to tour Europe in March, > and there will be another Old Office run right before that. I'll keep an eye out for that. I wonder if this is the project that will record Tim's rumored upcoming release on Matt Shipp's label? > Steve, shouldnt You be telling us this ? : ))) Once upon a time, certainly. But I've not been as closely in touch with Tim on a day-to-day basis since I handed off the Screwgun website to Aaron Grad last year. Thanks for the update. Were you mixing and recording this again? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (planning to catch Malaby/Ducret/Formanek/Rainey on Sunday night, knock wood...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 07 Dec 2000 20:13:21 -0500 Peter Gannushkin wrote: > I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be > respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of > just perfect versions of well known music. I'm not so positive about this. My own respect for Carter grew appreciably when he covered an Anthony Braxton tune on his 'Conversin' with the Elders' album. That's not something his fellow young mainstream colleagues would ever have considered. Throughout his career he's shown signs of having much broader interests than the typical young jazz suit, and the important thing is that he's acted upon them. He's also logged valuable time with Lester Bowie and has done some subbing for various members of the World Saxophone Quartet. Wynton Marsalis, his prototype from one generation prior, released a bunch of boring records last year, and all of the jazz releases in the series pretty much toed the line at either literal recreation of the past (which is not to say he didn't put something of his own stamp on it - which in fact rendered his Monk record stupendously awful) or slavish imitation of the past. In contrast, Carter released two records this year, and they couldn't be more different in content or tone. And neither is beholden to the hard bop verities of the mainstream. In fact, it took a LOT of guts, I'm sure, for him to propose recording an album for a major label with Ribot (a labelmate, conveniently), Jef Lee Johnson, Tacuma and Weston. He's lucky that he's got one of the more open-minded major label A&R guys in his corner. My main problem with Carter is his accute awareness of his outstanding technical gifts, coupled with at time dubious taste in their deployment. Too often he tends to engage in tasteless showboating, simply overwhelming the listener with the number of notes he can play and the volume at which he can produce them. I heard a bartender at the Village Vanguard one night, immediately after a Carter set, clutch his head and say, "Bring on the dental drill..." This is a subjective reaction, of course, and the reaction of others may vary - some find it tremendously exciting. And you could level exactly the same charge at numerous free jazz sax players, maybe, but context is everything, and subtlety can be lost along the way. What I will give up to Carter is that he's had more courage to explore than virtually anyone else operating in the mainstream of the industry. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 07 Dec 2000 21:22:45 -0500 Hello Steve, Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: >> I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be >> respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of >> just perfect versions of well known music. SS> I'm not so positive about this. My own respect for Carter grew appreciably when SS> he covered an Anthony Braxton tune on his 'Conversin' with the Elders' album. SS> That's not something his fellow young mainstream colleagues would ever have SS> considered. Throughout his career he's shown signs of having much broader SS> interests than the typical young jazz suit, and the important thing is that he's SS> acted upon them. He's also logged valuable time with Lester Bowie and has done SS> some subbing for various members of the World Saxophone Quartet. I didn't mean that he is playing mainstream music only. But he is not playing (I think) something that was not explored before. It was not bad at all when he was just a very young musician who could play anything from touchy ballads to free jazz to Braxton and Bowie, but I was always waiting that he will invent his own style, will go to his own direction. Almost all his recording, although they are mostly all different, sound like a luxurious copy of the music somebody else played already. They are probably unreachable technically but they never have new ideas. That's the problem for me. In the same time when I want to relax from creative music I listen Carter's music. I even can say that he is my favorite "normal" young jazz musician. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: numbats@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 11:37:35 +0800 >I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be >respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of >just perfect versions of well known music. Hi, Surely the guy is just trying to make a living and trying to hang on to his integrity without compromising too much. I enjoyed the album with Ribot a lot. MMW are not in the same class. Apply the same principles you apply to Carter to the ubiquitous Ribot who really is the hired gun on anything from "pop" to AG and think about it. regards, Billy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 07 Dec 2000 22:57:16 EST << > I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and > Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, > preferably on-line? Try Cadence, http://www.cadencebuilding.com. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com >> Cadence hasn't carried Label Bleu for quite some time. Try allegro-music.com. I haven't actually bought from them but I know stores buy from them. It looks like they sell to the general public. They have Label Bleu, Black Saint, GM, many others. It seems most are priced at $12.78. They have "Gris" and "Le Kodo" by Ducret. I would recommend "Gris" highly as well. "Le Kodo" has nice tunes but Larry Schneider has a real syrupy tone on sax. While we're talking about music vendors, I'd like to thank who ever mentioned Berkshire Record outlet. I managed to snag Arcado String Trio"s "For Three Strings and Orchestra" and Maurice Horsthuis' Amsterdam Drama for 6 or 7 dollars each with no punch holes. I've been looking for that Arcado for a long time. John Threadgould np Death Ambient-Frith,Hideki,Mori - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 07 Dec 2000 23:39:50 -0500 Hello Billy, Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: >>I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be >>respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of >>just perfect versions of well known music. nina> Surely the guy is just trying to make a living and trying to hang on to his nina> integrity without compromising too much. Cannot agree with it. Where is his not compromising behavior? I cannot see it. nina> I enjoyed the album with Ribot a lot. I enjoyed it too, but I didn't find anything I never heard before. nina> MMW are not in the same class. What do you mean by that? nina> Apply the same principles you apply to Carter to the ubiquitous nina> Ribot who really is the hired gun on anything from "pop" to AG nina> and think about it. Ribot is playing a lot as a sideman. It is different. His own projects at the same time have their unique taste and style. I cannot say that they are always surprising and outstanding, but they are developed by himself. That's I think partly the reason why he is invited so often to play with other musicians. He always adds something very personal and fresh to music he is working with. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 08 Dec 2000 01:49:49 -0500 Hello John, Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: Fac> << > I know that Marc Ducret made almost all his recordings on JMT and Fac> > Label Bleu. Does anybody know where to find them in the US, Fac> > preferably on-line? Fac> Try Cadence, http://www.cadencebuilding.com. Fac> Cadence hasn't carried Label Bleu for quite some time. Try Fac> allegro-music.com. I haven't actually bought from them but I know stores buy Fac> from them. It looks like they sell to the general public. They have Label Fac> Bleu, Black Saint, GM, many others. It seems most are priced at $12.78. Fac> They have "Gris" and "Le Kodo" by Ducret. I would recommend "Gris" highly as Fac> well. "Le Kodo" has nice tunes but Larry Schneider has a real syrupy tone on Fac> sax. Thanks a lot. I completely forgot about this web site. Actually they have also special CyberMusic Surplus (http://www.cybermusicsurplus.com/) site with many CDs on sale. The prices are at least twice lower than on the main Allegro site. Both Label Bleu Ducret's albums are there. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Extra tickets for Masada on December 9 Date: 08 Dec 2000 01:49:56 -0500 Hello All, Sorry for all people not from New York city, but I should make this offer here. I have 3 extra tickets (2 for sure) for the first set (8 PM) of Masada concert on December 9. They are $25 each. If anybody interested in them, please let me know by e-mail as soon as possible. Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 01:52:06 -0500 Hello Billy, Thursday, December 07, 2000, you wrote to me: >>I think that the main James Carter problem is that his goal is to be >>respected. Seems like he could play more non-standard stuff instead of >>just perfect versions of well known music. nina> Surely the guy is just trying to make a living and trying to hang on to his nina> integrity without compromising too much. Cannot agree with it. Where is his not compromising behavior? I cannot see it. nina> I enjoyed the album with Ribot a lot. I enjoyed it too, but I didn't find anything I never heard before. nina> MMW are not in the same class. What do you mean by that? nina> Apply the same principles you apply to Carter to the ubiquitous nina> Ribot who really is the hired gun on anything from "pop" to AG nina> and think about it. Ribot is playing a lot as a sideman. It is different. His own projects at the same time have their unique taste and style. I cannot say that they are always surprising and outstanding, but they are developed by himself. That's I think partly the reason why he is invited so often to play with other musicians. He always adds something very personal and fresh to music he is working with. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Saft "Sovlanut" (+ Jim Black) / Graves "Stories" Date: 08 Dec 2000 09:39:58 +0100 Hi there... Got two Tzadik CDs in the post the other day. Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" is quite enjoyable. I think he's absolutely great on keys. (He also plays some pretty cool guitar parts on this CD.) The way Tzadik advertised this release best describes it: sort of dub, reggae, drum'n'bass with a Jewish/Arabic twist to it. If memory serves right, there was some talk about Jim Black (drums) on the list a while ago. I think his performance on Saft's CD is pretty good. The only thing I personally don't like are the bits where the drums (toms) are pitched rather high. Milford Graves' "Stories" is quite an experience. Very hard to talk about or explain. I think Graves is absolutely mad; but in a very positive sense. The last track (on which he sort of "sings" along in English) really puts a smile on my face every time I play it. patRice np: Masada, Live In Sevilla nr: Takahiro Kitamura, Bushido - Legacies of the Japanese Tattoo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Saft "Sovlanut" (+ Jim Black) / Graves "Stories" Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:14:52 +0100 >From: patRice > >Got two Tzadik CDs in the post the other day. > >Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" is quite enjoyable. I think he's absolutely >great on keys. (He also plays some pretty cool guitar parts on this CD.) >The way Tzadik advertised this release best describes it: sort of dub, >reggae, drum'n'bass with a Jewish/Arabic twist to it. I´ll second this recommendation. There are very different tunes on this CD and we haven´t heard such a combination before. His contributions on Zorn´s Taboo & Exile is outstanding too. I think we could expect a lot from Mr. Saft in the future. Andreas _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: Re: Quick one regarding Xu Feng Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:19:30 +0100 (MET) > As for this album, > I thought Trey Spruance played on it....but I read somewhere it's Fred Firth.So,this means there are two guitar players on Xu Feng?I hadn't look at the cover of the cd yet,so I dunno who's playing what...anyone? > Dragons, > Shangkuan Lingfeng trey spruance played in the xu feng ensemble that can be heard on the "(y)earbook 2" cd released by Rastascan Records (www.rastascan.com) several years ago.... Bjoern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Saft "Sovlanut" (+ Jim Black) Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:31:07 +0100 Andreas Dietz wrote: > I=B4ll second this recommendation. There are very different tunes on th= is CD > and we haven=B4t heard such a combination before. > His contributions on Zorn=B4s Taboo & Exile is outstanding too. I think= we > could expect a lot from Mr. Saft in the future. >=20 > Andreas >=20 Absolutely agree with you, Andreas. I also think we can expect quite something from Jamie in the future. His performance on "Blues For Tiki" (off "Taboo & Exile") is absolutely breathtaking; it sends shivers down my spine every time I hear it. Not to mention Marc Ribot on that track... :-) I'm also very much looking forward to hearing Saft on "Trembling Before God" (aka Filmworks IX).=20 patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dekater" Subject: Re: henri salvador Date: 08 Dec 2000 11:21:05 +0100 >I am really curious about this box set. Also the work of Henri Salvador. I >presume that he's a major entertainer in France. What kind of work did he >do with Vian? > Salvador and Vian were close friends. They co-operated a lot. When they heard rock 'n roll for the first time they thought it a joke. They laughed themselves till death. In a few hours they a dozen or so french rock songs which are in the box set, sung by Salvador. Vians song texts (478) are brought together in the book 'Chansons' (Ed. Christian Bourgois). Jan Luyben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dekater" Subject: Re: french pop Date: 08 Dec 2000 11:38:08 +0100 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dekater Aan: Patrice L. Roussel Datum: vrijdag 8 december 2000 11:23 Onderwerp: Re: french pop > >>The last time that a new French band got some limited exposure in the US, >>it was with La Mano Negra. >> >> Patrice. > >This was the group Manu Chao belonged to before he went solo. > >Jan Luyben > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 12:22:31 +0100 >From: Steve Smith > >My main problem with Carter is his accute awareness of his outstanding >technical >gifts, coupled with at time dubious taste in their deployment. Too often >he >tends to engage in tasteless showboating, simply overwhelming the listener >with >the number of notes he can play and the volume at which he can produce >them. very well said, Steve. There´s really a difference between his possibilities and the results. Perhaps a blowing session with Carter and David Murray could be interesting. I´m sure Carter would be the winner, but this is old-fashioned nowadays. Andreas _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Saft "Sovlanut" (+ Jim Black) Date: 08 Dec 2000 06:24:41 EST In a message dated 12/8/00 4:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, gda@datacomm.ch writes: << I'm also very much looking forward to hearing Saft on "Trembling Before God" (aka Filmworks IX). patRice >> Go out and buy it now! It's stunning! Morning, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diego Gruber" Subject: Mano Negra Date: 08 Dec 2000 13:06:25 +0100 > ...and Manu Chao (not quite French). Check out 'Clandestino'. > Manu Chao is good, but I think his work with Mano Negra was far more diverse and interesting. Not quite French is correct, i think there are more latin elements of music in there, and it is great, especially fun. He sings in French, English, Spanish and sometimes Arab (i think) I would really recommend King of Bongo, Puta's Fever and Casa Babylon. I think a best-of was also released. Diego - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Saft "Sovlanut" (+ Jim Black) Date: 08 Dec 2000 23:50:51 +1100 << Absolutely agree with you, Andreas. I also think we can expect quite something from Jamie in the future. His performance on "Blues For Tiki" (off "Taboo & Exile") is absolutely breathtaking; it sends shivers down my spine every time I hear it. Not to mention Marc Ribot on that track... :-) >> Everyone (especially the people who are praising Saft) should check out Bobby Previte's "Too Close To The Pole", which features Saft and other great young players (like Cuong Vu, Curtis Hasselbring and Andrew D'Angelo) and of course some of Previte's most wonderful composition and arrangement... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) How about a blowing session with Carter and David S. Ware instead. Or Carter and Louie Belogonis or Mats Gustafson or Peter Brotzmann or Assif Tshar or Ivo Perelman or Ken Vandermark or at least someone else would be more challenging than ol' Grateful Dead playing Murray. Murray seems to have begun as an avant gardist and as he's aged turned into a "young lion" . Maybe he yearns for the same success of his original California drummer (inside joke). Carter was arrogant -- but talented -- when I saw him in a Buffalo club and the Toronto Jazz Fest years ago. If he could link up with someone who could rein him in, however, we could have some excellent music. Hm, Cecil Taylor expressed some admiration for Carter in an interview recently. Maybe Carter would like to go on the road with CT for a few months. Ken Waxman --- Andreas Dietz wrote: > very well said, Steve. There´s really a difference > between his possibilities > and the results. Perhaps a blowing session with > Carter and David Murray > could be interesting. I´m sure Carter would be the > winner, but this is > old-fashioned nowadays. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One) Date: 08 Dec 2000 19:00:03 +0100 I am sure, that I know this piece from a different cd, but I have no idea which it might be. Does anyone have an idea where I could have heard it? (Masada?, Don Byron?) Thanks. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 18:30:02 First, I agree pretty much completely with Steve Smith's comments about JC - the chops displays do get a little old, and I keep hoping he will downplay those. >>Surely the guy is just trying to make a living and trying to hang on >>to >>his integrity without compromising too much. >Cannot agree with it. Where is his not compromising behavior? I cannot >see it. Again, I tink Steve covered that. Recording with Lester Bowie, Hamiet Bluiett, Ribot, Joey Baron, Tacuma, Weston, etc. Doing a Braxton song, doing that fairly unstylish "free-funk" record, generally not toning down his playing....MAybe toning down the multiphonics and overblowing would be good in certain cases, but the point is I feel like he at least isn't holding back. >>I enjoyed the album with Ribot a lot. >I enjoyed it too, but I didn't find anything I never heard before. Arggh, this is like that argument from a few weeks ago. Surely you heard something you have never heard before. Like Eugene Chadbourne said once, "If one added up all the possible notes and sounds on an instrument and all the permutations of them that two people could make, the total would run into the infinite." I know what you are saying, and don't think Carter's album with Ribot et al. was a revolutionary kind of album or anything, but it seems like JC is being held to a double standard compared to MMW. That is, I don't see how anything they are doing is any more "new" or "original" (at least by this stage). Ideally, considering how talented Carter is, he could record whatever he wanted and not have to worry about coming up with stuff his record company would accept or worry about getting dropped. But every once in a while it's good to see someone getting exposure just on the odd chance that someone out there will hear it and then go back and check out some of the other, less exposed musicians. And I think MMW have a pretty similar role. Sorry if that's off on a tangent from my original point but hopefully it ties in. Anyway, must get back to work... WY _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 13:57:31 -0500 Hello William, OK, I understand what you are saying. I can explain my point in one sentence: I am always impressed HOW JC is playing but mostly not impressed WHAT he is playing. In this case and only in it I can say that MMW is more "out" and "interesting". Because of the same reason I prefer Vandermark/Drake/McBride "Spaceways Incorporated" as a "free-funk" record rather than JC "Layin' in the Cut". Friday, December 08, 2000, you wrote to me: WY> First, I agree pretty much completely with Steve Smith's comments about JC - WY> the chops displays do get a little old, and I keep hoping he will downplay WY> those. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 08 Dec 2000 13:59:30 EST andreasdietz@hotmail.com writes: > Perhaps a blowing session with Carter and David Murray=20 > could be interesting. I=B4m sure Carter would be the winner No way!? On most nights, Murray would blow him out of the water. =20 jeff=20 n.p. keith jarrett: byablue - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: JamesCarter/MMW/Ribot Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:37:54 -0500 Alright, all this banter makes me want to speak. About three years ago, Craig Harris brought a band to Chicago. James Carter and David Murray happened to be in town and both sat in. It was a cutting session. James Carter was praising the music in a proper space. Nothing David did was as captivating as several solos James took that night. They are good friends I know. James has sat in with WSQ and is on record as saying they are one of his favorite groups. Shortly thereafter, James and David were on the cover of Downbeat and were interviewed together. My personal feeling is James can do anything he wants and his command of any sax is unparalleled. Compositionally, I haven't heard James write anything I thought was great and this can't be said of David. David also has had special relationships with people. No doubt the trio of Murray, Hopkins and Cyrille is one of the great bands in the history of this music. His relationship with Dave Burrell is especially profound. When I first moved to New York, I saw about 9 sets of the David Murray and David Burrell duo and these are still indellibly marked on my brain. Lastly, the David Murray Big Band had residency every Monday at the Knitting Factory in the early nineties and these sessions produced some extremely memorable moments. particularly, when conducted by Butch Morris. Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill? Date: 08 Dec 2000 11:52:29 -0800 I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar Krause record where she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we still find this record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but no idea about Weill. Thanks, Patrice. PS: I know LOST IN THE STARS. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dekater" Subject: Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill? Date: 08 Dec 2000 21:04:45 +0100 > I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar Krause record where >she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we still find this >record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but no idea about >Weill. > > Thanks, > > Patrice. > >PS: I know LOST IN THE STARS. Yes, there's a cd on Hannibal Records: 'Supply & Demand' (HNCD 1317) (1986) on which D.K. sings Weill/Brecht/Eisler in German and in English. Jan Luyben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill? Date: 08 Dec 2000 12:08:06 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar Krause record where > she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we still find this > record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but no idea about > Weill. The closest is _Supply and Demand_, which is about 2/3 Brecht/Weill and 1/3 Brecht/Eisler. She also did an album with Goebbels & Harth which comprised Brecht lyrics which had not previously been set to music by anybody, the title of which has now escaped me. Came out on a small German label sometime around 83-85. Will check when I get home tonight. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill? Date: 08 Dec 2000 13:02:01 -0800 On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 12:08:06 -0800 Jim Flannery wrote: > > The closest is _Supply and Demand_, which is about 2/3 Brecht/Weill and > 1/3 Brecht/Eisler. Thanks for the tip! > She also did an album with Goebbels & Harth which comprised Brecht > lyrics which had not previously been set to music by anybody, the title > of which has now escaped me. Came out on a small German label sometime > around 83-85. Will check when I get home tonight. That's INDIANER FUR MORGN on Riskant, a fantastic record! Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Colin Ovitsky Subject: New book with good Zorn content Date: 08 Dec 2000 16:25:35 -0500 Hi folks, I just joined this list because I was writing a biographical paper on Zorn for my Judaic Studies course at UMass. If I get around to it, I'll upload it to my website so y'all can read it. Anyway, in my research, I discovered a book that I haven't seen mentioned here in the recent thread, so I thought I'd let everybody know. It's called The Essential Klezmer: A Music Lover's Guide to Jewish Roots and Soul Music, from the Old World to the Jazz Age tot he Downtown Avant-Garde. The author is Seth Rogovoy, who is, ironically, the music columnist for the small county newspaper where I grew up, The Berkshire Eagle in Pittsfield, MA. I haven't read any of the book besides the Zorn section, but there is a full 20-page section on Zorn and the Radical Jewish Culture movement which is part of a larger chapter called "Beyond the Pale." It's published by Algonquin Books and can be found on Amazon at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565122445/qid%3D976310158/102-0244626-3812965 Check it out! Peace, Colin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One) Date: 09 Dec 2000 11:23:46 +1100 > I am sure, that I know this piece from a different cd, but I have no > idea which it might be. Does Krakauer have a new cd? Well, I was curious, so I did a little search on cdnow and found a band playing a piece called Russian Shers. I guess it is a traditional piece, to me it sounds similar to a piece on the Kletka Red album "Hijacking"... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One) Date: 08 Dec 2000 16:39:46 -0800 On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:23:46 +1100 "Julian" wrote: > > Does Krakauer have a new cd? > Well, I was curious, so I did a little search on cdnow and found a band > playing a piece called Russian Shers. I guess it is a traditional piece, to > me it sounds similar to a piece on the Kletka Red album "Hijacking"... I saw in France (late September): *** - A NEW HOT ONE: David Krakauer David Krakauer: clarinet; Mark Stewart: electric guitar; Ted Reichman: accordion; Pablo Aslan: bass; Nicky Parrott (1,2): bass; Kevin Norton: drums. 2000 - Label Bleu (France), LBLC 6617/HM 83 (CD) Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: ionesco - boris vian (the thread thickens) Date: 08 Dec 2000 21:32:55 EST you wrote: <thanks.>aaron ...and don't forget Boris Vian. There's a box of 6 cd's on PolyGram that contains the most of his songs. That is, one cd contains songs sung by Vian, on the other cd's are the songs interpreted by others such as: Henri Salvador, Juliette Greco, Joan Baez a.s.o. Jan Luyben>> hi jan & crew for those who dont know boris vian, he was "introduced" to me two years ago by my mexican connection, lazaro, who raved about this storyteller- who he discovered because of a rock-en-espanol song we both love from the group 'la union' - the song 'lobo-hombre a paris' which he later found out was based on a story by boris vian, 'werewolf in paris.' vian wrote surreal/absurdist stories, in the manner of ionesco, though not as high quality. then i found out vian was a jazz fiend and composer and jazz critic in france, and i just happpened to luck on all his american books being remaindered at colisseum books and got em all, including his jazz criticism. ...i _love_ pop music; if it werent for the mothers of invention's 'we're only in it for the money,' and zappa's liner notes, i would never have discovered kafka's 'in the penal colony' when i was twelve... and you wonder why i am the way i am... steve koenig n.p. my own dance mix of the residents "kawliga- remix" and divine "i'm so beautiful- rx" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: ionesco - boris vian (the thread thickens) Date: 08 Dec 2000 21:23:06 -0800 For those of you who are interested in Vian, do check out my website: address down below: I am selling a Vian book, but I also have some additional information on Vian - Also check out http://www.toadshow.com.au/rob/vian/vian.htm The best English resource on Boris Vian. And in French: http://pages.pratique.fr/~nmenard/vian.htm >Again, I am a Vian fanatic, so excuse me for my ...excitement. ciao, -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Tony Malaby at Knit Date: 09 Dec 2000 00:53:25 -0500 Hello All, So, after reading this list about Tony Malaby, I decided to check him on Sunday and to come to see Susie Ibarra trio at Tonic tonight. When we got there I realized that her set is at 10 and not at 8. We didn't want to wait and finally found ourselves in the cab going to the Knit. We came quite on time. Malaby, Ducret, Formanek and Rainey went on stage in five minutes. I cannot say that this music was more interesting than Berne-Gibbs jam at Tonic two days ago, but it was good. In a way it seemed a little over-composed. What I mean that it was hard sometimes to follow very long compositions with lots of changing in them. The other thing which I didn't enjoy so much was that they played a lot as a trio with Malaby or Ducret soloing but mostly not altogether. In the second set quartet played three compositions only because the last one was extremely long. I can tell that, although this set was not much different from the first one, I liked it better partly because of two very interesting Formanek solos and really hard and fast Rainey playing. That's all for now. I will listen to their new CD and probably will understand more about this music. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: full record with Dagmar Krauss singing Kurt Weill? Date: 09 Dec 2000 09:21:40 +0100 > I know that I should know but is there a Dagmar > Krause record where > she only sings Kurt Weill/Bertold Brecht? If yes, can we > still find this > record. I seem to remember something with Hans Eisler, but > no idea about Weill. - "TANK BATTLES" 2LP/CD ANTITLES / NEW DIRECTIONS (ANLP/CD8739) 01.1989. 1. Song Of The Whitewash. (EISLER / BRECHT. Translation: N. GOULD / VE RSCHOYLE) (1:58)/ 2. (I Read About) Tank Battles. (EISLER / BRECHT. Tr anslation: J. WILLETT) (1:24)/ 3. You Have To Pay. (EISLER / MEHRING. Translation: M. GREEN) (1:37)/ 4. Chanson Allemande. (EISLER / VIERTEL . Translation: J. WOODLAND) (1:13)/ 5. Ballad of the Sackslingers. (EI SLER / ARENDT. Translation: J. WOODLAND / KRAUSE) (3:16)/ 6. Mother Be imlein. (EISLER / BRECHT. Translation: L. LENDRUM) (1:11)/ 7. The Perh aps Song. (EISLER / BRECHT. Translation: B. JONIC / K. HELM) (1:44)/ 8 . Ballade von der Belebenden Wirkung des Geldes. (4:22)/ 9. Mankind. (EISLER. Translation: D. KRAUSE / J. WOODLAND) (0:54)/ 10. Bettellied. (EISLER / BRECHT) (1:21)/ 11. Song Of A German Mother. (EISLER / BRECH T. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (2:26)/ 12. Change The World - It Needs It . (EISLER / BRECHT: Translation: E. BENTLEY) (1:59)/ 13. Bankenlied. (EISLER / MEHRING) (2:52)/ 14. Legende von der Entstehung Des Buches T aoteking. (6:31)/ 15. Ballad Of (Bourgeois) Welfare. (EISLER / TUCHOLS KY. Translation: J. WOODLAND) (2:45)/ 16. Mother's Hands. (EISLER / TU CHOLSKY. Translation: E. GREEN) (1:55)/ 17. Berlin 1919. (EISLER / ANO N. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (2:24)/ 18. And I Shall Never See Again. (1:48)/ 19. Genevieve: Osten ist ein Ball sur Seine. (EISLER / BRECHT) (1:00)/ 20. The Wise Women and the Soldier. (3:33)/ 21. Failure in Lov ing. (EISLER / HEINE. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (1:02)/ 22. Und Endlich Stirbt. (EISLER / TUCHOLSKY. Translation: J. WOODLAND) (1:07)/ 23. The Rat Men - Nightmare. (1:11)/ 24. The Homecoming. (EISLER / BRECHT. Tra nslation: E. BENTLEY) (1:26)/ 25. The Trenches. (EISLER / TUCHOLSKY. T ranslation: M. GREEN / A. DODGE) (3:33)/ 26. To a Little Radio. (EISLE R / BRECHT. Translation: E. BENTLEY) (1:00). ENSEMBLE: Steve BERRY: double bass (23)/ Andrew DODGE: leader, accordi on, harmonium, piano, DX7, backing vocals./ Phil EDWARDS: saxophone./ Sarsh HOMER: clairnet, bass clairnet, contrabass clairnet./ John LEONA RD: bassoon./ Ian MITCHELL: clairnet, bass clairnet./ Bruce NOCKLES: t rumpet, picolo trumpet, cornet./ Ashley SLATER: tuba, trombone, bass t rombone./ Steve STERLING: french horn./ Graeme TAYLOR: banjo, guitars. / Gertrude THOMA: backing vocals./ GUEST MUSICIANS: Alex BALANESCU: vi ola./ Michael BLAIR: percussion, marimba./ Lindsay COOPER: basson.John HARLE: soprano saxophone./ Danny THOMPSON: double bass./ John TILBURY: piano. Recorded at West 3 Studios, London. Mixed at the Fallout Shelter, Lond on. Musical arrangements by Greg COHEN. Produced by Greg COHEN. Produc tion assistance by Dagmar KRAUSE and Bob WARD. Engineered by Richard D IGBY-SMITH. Mixed by Martin REX. Photo by Alastair THAIN. Design by Is land Art. Dedicated to Heinrich & Magdalene KRAUSE. __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re[2]: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One) Date: 09 Dec 2000 18:59:31 +0100 A NEW HOT ONE is Krakauers recent release. And I know this piece from this disk. But I heard the melody somewhere else. It might have another name. I never heard KLETKA RED, so don't think I this is the source. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de Saturday, December 09, 2000, 1:39:46 AM, you wrote: Patrice> On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:23:46 +1100 "Julian" wrote: >> >> Does Krakauer have a new cd? >> Well, I was curious, so I did a little search on cdnow and found a band >> playing a piece called Russian Shers. I guess it is a traditional piece, to >> me it sounds similar to a piece on the Kletka Red album "Hijacking"... Patrice> I saw in France (late September): Patrice> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice> *** - A NEW HOT ONE: David Krakauer Patrice> David Krakauer: clarinet; Mark Stewart: electric guitar; Ted Reichman: Patrice> accordion; Pablo Aslan: bass; Nicky Parrott (1,2): bass; Kevin Norton: Patrice> drums. Patrice> 2000 - Label Bleu (France), LBLC 6617/HM 83 (CD) Patrice> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice> Patrice. Patrice> - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Re[2]: David Krakauer - The Russian Shers (A New Hot One) Date: 10 Dec 2000 11:24:44 +1100 > A NEW HOT ONE is Krakauers recent release. And I know this piece from > this disk. > But I heard the melody somewhere else. It might have another name. > I never heard KLETKA RED, so don't think I this is the source. Yes, well it is probably a klezmer standard, so there are probably thousands of places you could have heard it (including the last wedding you went to). And you're right, they often pop up with different names, sometimes due to the fact that the name is not known by the artist... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: User384726@aol.com Subject: usic ithout orders Date: 10 Dec 2000 01:32:18 EST Please COPY and PASTE this petition it to a separate page, add your name and place of residence, and then forward it to EVERYONE you know, even if you don't sign it. Thank you for caring about music. The following supporters of the Canadian and American Music Industry demand that bands who wish to play across the border be allowed to do so. Crossing the border to play a concert is almost impossible for both American and Canadian acts. We are tired of paying for concerts with an out-of-country headliner only to find out that they couldn't get across the border. We are tired of booking tours for our bands only to be turned away. We believe it is imperative to assert a new law that will make it easier for touring bands to get into Canada and the United States without applying for a work permit that costs more than most local bands make playing across the border. If you receive this list and it has 100 people on it, please return it to < mailto:kris10@canada.comkris10@canada.com > 1)Kristen Pettinger, Abbotsford BC 2)Anne Lomas, Abbotsford BC 3)Ryan Carmichael, Abbotsford BC 4) Adam Carmichael, Abbotsford BC 5) Scott Laming, Victoria BC 6) Ivy Profen, Richmond BC 7) Amanda Stroy, Surrey, BC 8) Jordan Eshpeter, Richmond BC 9) Billy Bones, Kamloops BC 10) Krista Bones, Kamloops BC 11) Jeremy Olfert, Regina SK 12) Tanya Olfert, Regina, SK 13) Kael Olfert, Regina, SK 14) Mike Peters, winnipeg, MB 15) Jason Kolins, Surrey, BC 16) Jeff Lambert, Compton, QC 17) Ben Lambert, North Hatley, QC 18) Jesse Gendron, Ascot, QC 19) Marc-Andr=E9 Simard,la Baie,QC 20) Marie-Pier Gagn=E9,la baie,Qc 21) Noel: Inertia Entertainment, Toronto, Ont 22) Steve Michaels, Toronto, ON 23) Wendy Wright, Mississauga, ON 24) Stefane Lemieux. Mississauga, ON 25) Mike Stephens, Oakville, ON 26) Loretta Smalley, Windsor, ON 27) Albert Asood, Sudbury, ON 28) Michel Lafite, Sherbrooke, QC 29) Stanley Turcotte, Nepean, ON 30) Ahmed Zafir, Toronto, ON 31) Walter VanZant, Scarborough, ON 32) Jessica Samuels, Scarborough, ON 33) Jo Anne Matthews, Scarborough, ON 34) Jonathan Ramos, Toronto ON 35) Evan Thompson,Toronto ON 36) Julie Remy, Toronto, ON 37) Claudette Gravel, Toronto, ON 38) Linda Woods, Toronto ON 39) Peter Hardman, Toronto ON 40)Christian Breton, Mont Saint-Hilaire, QC 41)Maxime Benoit, Longueuil Beach, Qc 42) Ed Linares, Montreal, Qc 43) Paul Etch, Montreal, QC 44) beth custer, San francisco, CA 45) fred frith, oakland, CA 46) Nick Didkovsky, NYC, NY 47) Ian M. Davis, Chapel Hill, NC 48) Eric Roth, Chicago, IL 49) Phil Mosberg, Chicago, IL 50) Aaron Solomon Chicago, IL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: raymond scott + don byron on NPR Date: 10 Dec 2000 01:11:48 -0800 (PST) Tonight I heard a nice feature on Raymond Scott and an interview with Don Byron on the National Public Radio syndicated show Amercan Routes, which originates from New Orleans. I've had trouble with my computer and the show's site, but I believe you can listen to at least these features in the archive: http://www.americanroutes.com The Raymond Scott connection is perhaps highly topical, in some superficial and some strangely relevant ways. Scott apparently beat Zappa to a frustration with the musician as a corrupting medium to realization, and turned to electronics and the studio to eliminate this mediation. He also wrote "music for children," though it is (from the sample provided) rather odd proto-ambient electronica. Some of the electronic pieces sound prescient. I also notice Scott's connection as a direct---correct me if I'm wrong---antecedent and providor of source material to Carl Stalling, a tremendous early inspiration for Zorn. I know Scott's music has been discussed, some time back, on this list. Just thought I'd toss this interview in as a great appreciation for an oddity, and perhaps a truly great albeit marginalized composer. ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Subject: Tzadik Radical Jewish Culture Date: 10 Dec 2000 12:20:57 +0100 Hi there ! I don't remember if it has already been discussed down there, but I have a question on the tzadik radical jewish culture series. As far as I know, there is no number 40 on this series, does anybody knows why ? Have a nice Sunday ! -fred - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Diamanda Galas Date: 10 Dec 2000 23:01:09 +1030 Hi there, this person is coming to my city, should I go see her (?) Sorry if its totally off topic, but I saw the term "Avant Garde" in a = website, and thought you learned friedns may have a worthy opinion=20 Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: Coming to NYC: Suggestions Date: 10 Dec 2000 08:23:36 -0800 Common question to the list. I'll be coming to NYC from Dec 19-23. Can anyone give me any recommendations on music or art events that they are aware of that would interest the average zornlister. thanx --ds Dennis Summers Quantum Dance Works members.home.net/dennisqdw/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Pharoah Sanders with the Ritual Trio in Chicago Date: 10 Dec 2000 11:52:07 -0500 A brief review of the Ritual Trio (Ari Brown, Malachi Favors, Kahil El Zabar) with Pharoah. For those who don't know,the Ritual Trio is a longstanding tradition in Chicago and a superb trio. Long compositions, generally very lyrical with plenty of room for each personality to speak. Malachi Favors (bassist for the Art Ensemble of Chicago) is a particular treat as he doesn't play live here very often. Ari played piano primarily while Pharoah roamed free on tenor all night. Blistering moments of beauty that ranks with the best I've ever seen this group. The encore was a twenty minute version of some blues number (I think its called "Every day I've got the blues" with Pharoah singing and dancing his ass off. Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: usic ithout orders Date: 10 Dec 2000 12:19:13 -0500 On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:32:18AM -0500, User384726@aol.com wrote: > Please COPY and PASTE this petition it to a separate page, add your > name and place of residence, and then forward it to EVERYONE you know, > even if > you don't sign it. Thank you for caring about music. While the purpose is worthwhile and the senders' intentions are good, such petitions are ineffective and can be counterproductive. See Phil Agre's "Designing Effective Action Alerts for the Internet" at http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/alerts.html A relevant section: "DO NOT use a chain-letter petition. A chain-letter petition is an action alert that includes a list of names at the end; it invites people to add their own name to the list, send in the petition if their name is the 30th or 60th etc, and in anycase forward the resulting alert-plus-signature-list to everyone they know. This idea sounds great in the abstract, but it really doesn't work. The problem is that most of the signatures will never reachtheir destination, since the chain will fizzle out before reaching the next multiple of 30 in length. What's even worse, a small proportion of the signatures will be received in the legislator's office many times, thus annoying the staff and persuading them that they're dealing with an incompetent movement that can never hold them accountable." While this petition is not headed for legislators, the great majority of signatures will be wasted due to the fizzling-out feature. Agre's article has good pointers on how to do alerts effectively. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Coming to NYC: Suggestions Date: 10 Dec 2000 13:43:27 -0500 dennis summers wrote: > Common question to the list. I'll be coming to NYC from Dec 19-23. Can > anyone give me any recommendations on music or art events that they are > aware of that would interest the average zornlister. Here's what I came up with: All week: World Saxophone Quartet, Dec. 19-24, Iridium, a reasonably pricy jazz supper club - members for this are Oliver Lake, James Spaulding, Bluiett (as he is now known) and David Murray December 19: Melvin Gibbs & John Medeski at Tonic, 8 p.m. Phillip Johnston's Transparent Quartet at Knitting Factory, 8 p.m. Frank London 'Invocations' CD release concert (with Anthony Coleman, harmonium), Merkin Hall, 8 p.m. December 20: Benefit for the Amputees of Sierra Leone: Healing Hands Percussion Circle with Vernon Reid at Tonic, 8 p.m. ($25, but it's a fundraiser...) Karen Mantler, David Garland & Marianne Nowottny, Knitting Factory, 8 p.m. (an evening of fractured art-song, it appears...) December 21: Elliott Sharp & David Krakauer at Tonic, Dec. 21, 8 p.m. New Pyramid String Quartet at Knitting Factory Old Office, 8 & 9:30 p.m. (Dominic Duval's group, formerly known as the Cecil Taylor String Quartet) Mingus Big Band at the Fez, 8 & 10 p.m. Phill Niblock Winter Solstice Celebration at Experimental Intermedia, 6 p.m.-midnight (music and film/video) December 22: Marty Ehrlich's Travelers Tales at Tonic, 8 p.m. (Tony Malaby, Jerome Harris, Bobby Previte) - you can also stick around and catch Gary Lucas's Gods and Monsters at 10 p.m. and Steven Bernstein's Millennial Territory Orchestra at midnight. Curtis Fowlkes Catfish Corner at Knitting Factory Old Office, 8 and 9:30 p.m. Charles Mingus Orchestra at City Hall (the restaurant, not the seat of power), 8 & 10 p.m. Lemme know if you're also looking for listings for the night of the 23rd. Also, keep an eye on http://www.jazznewyork.org/ for late-breaking news. And check out http://www.nytoday.com for art listings from the New York Times. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Ooops! (was Re: Coming to NYC: Suggestions) Date: 10 Dec 2000 13:49:48 -0500 Sorry, folks, meant to send that long laundry list to Dennis only. Sorry to intrude with stuff most of you won't care about... SS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Risser Family" Subject: Completely not Zorn-Related Date: 10 Dec 2000 21:15:34 -0500 Has anyone had any success with language tapes for learning a language. I'm thinking I could spend wasted commuting time learning something useful. email offline if you have success stories to share. Thanks, Peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Radio Khartoum Subject: Re: french pop Date: 10 Dec 2000 22:39:43 -0800 Say, what's this? I love Boris Vian (and Andre Popp for that matter) as much as the next guy, but is there no French pop of note that's contemporary? Au contraire! (Hell, no one even mentioned Air). A few of my favorite (regardless of nationality) currently active, and currently good (that rules out France Gall!) pop artists, who happen to be French: Bertrand Burgalat Ignatus Katerine Toog/Gilles Weinzaepflen Julien Ribot Dominique A Etienne Charry Mr. Quark Savel Gypsophile Essiar Watoo Watoo Shop Disclaimer: the last four have or will release records on RK. I was going to leave Watoo Watoo out as too wimpy for the Zorn list, but if you can handle Claudine, you can handle anything... Alexander -- Radio Khartoum http://www.radiokhartoum.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 11 Dec 2000 19:40:51 +1030 Hi all, Ive been a fan of Eyvinds work for a while and I thought I had all his = work, until I came across this title, at CDDB, alas It didnt give a = recording lable or anythig, with the exception of a march 99 release = date. Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers = seem to stock it,=20 is it a bootleg?? Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Another Black Woman reissue Date: 10 Dec 2000 19:11:03 -0500 Just a heads up to those who didn't drop the 20 something dollars for the Japanese reissue of Sonny Sharrock's Black Woman. Theres now a budget priced two-fer pairing Black Woman with Wayne Henderson's Freedom Sounds(of all things) CDnow has it for 13.99. -- My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4306/main.html The Sonny Sharrock Visual Discography http://www.sharrockdiscography.com The Garage Sale http://www.amazon.com/shops/punkjazz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: Another Black Woman reissue Date: 11 Dec 2000 07:24:55 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 7:11 PM > Just a heads up to those who didn't drop the 20 something Or 30-something. > dollars for the Japanese reissue of Sonny Sharrock's Black Woman. > Theres now a budget priced two-fer pairing Black Woman with Wayne > Henderson's Freedom Sounds(of all things) CDnow has it for 13.99. I asked this on another list but got no reply: Does anyone know if there's much of a mastering difference between the two versions of Black Woman? And what is Freedom Sounds like? Thanks, Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 12 Dec 2000 00:58:22 +1100 << Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers seem to stock it, is it a bootleg?? >> It was actually released in 96 on the 'Rabid Dog Inoculator' label (unless there was a 99 reissue?). It's very noisy and experimental, much more so even than 7 NADEs, and in my opinion, it is not really essential Kang, but you may disagree, especially if you are into his most noisy/messy side. I don't remember where I got it but I think it may have been Aquarius Records. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 11 Dec 2000 15:05:33 +0100 (CET) > don't remember where I got it but I think it may have been Aquarius Records. at least it is available from them: www.aquariusrecordssf.com bjoern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas Date: 10 Dec 2000 18:12:23 +0100 GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Her performances are said to be the most extraordinary ones. I've seen her at Saalfelden this summer with a solo show. It was cruel, brutal, but really amazing. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:31:09 PM, you wrote: sinkas> Hi there, sinkas> this person is coming to my city, should I go see her (?) sinkas> Sorry if its totally off topic, but I saw the term "Avant Garde" in a website, and thought you learned friedns may have a worthy opinion sinkas> Case sinkas> "Alma Matters" sinkas> - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: bwitched Date: 11 Dec 2000 15:43:57 +0100 (CET) dont know if that has been discussed here before.... there is this zorn-interview (not really an interview) on the b-witched page (irish girl group) saying that zorn might produce their next album... probably this is a joke and i dont get it due to my language limitations. could someone tell me what this is all about: http://gwu.edu/~vynyl/bwitched/interviews.html bjoern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Tomorrow night Date: 11 Dec 2000 07:24:12 -0800 (PST) 8pm Tuesday, December 12, 2000 | Jack Wright: saxophones | Greg Kelley: trumpet | Mike Bullock: double bass $6 Admission Knitactive Sound Stage 74 Leonard Street New York, NY 10013 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 11 Dec 2000 10:26:37 EST In a message dated 12/11/00 9:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de writes: << dont know if that has been discussed here before.... there is this zorn-interview (not really an interview) on the b-witched page (irish girl group) saying that zorn might produce their next album... probably this is a joke and i dont get it due to my language limitations. could someone tell me what this is all about: >> It is definitely a joke. Zorn commits suicide at the end of the interview. Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 11 Dec 2000 16:30:40 +0100 Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > It is definitely a joke. Zorn commits suicide at the end of the interview. > > Tom > > - it even says at the very end: "this interview has been falsified for the sake of unbelievers" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Hijokaidan merzbow Date: 11 Dec 2000 09:42:45 -0600 how do you pronounce it and what's it mean? Thanks. i am considering Ferocity of Practical Life on Fourth Dimension with Masami Akita on drums. has anyone heard Mr. Akita on drums and is it interesting? why don't Hijokaidan on noise electronics, merzbow on drums, and me on saxophone exist on a recording?! dammit. -samuel(who speaks like an idiot often) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Re: Hijokaidan merzbow Date: 11 Dec 2000 11:09:36 -0500 At 09:42 AM 12/11/00 -0600, "samuel yrui" wrote: > i am considering Ferocity of Practical Life on Fourth Dimension with > Masami Akita on drums. has anyone heard Mr. Akita on drums and is it > interesting? DEUS IRAE (MERZBOW & NULL Production NUX ORGANIZATION, 1984) counts mr. merzbow on drums and kazuyuki k. null on guitar, for the main part. The most interesting thing is that this meeting of two noise persons results in what is perhaps their only non-noise cd. It's a long improv. They seem to look for each other (read: it sucks) for the first half. Full spec.: Masami AKITA Drums, Sound Effects Reiko AZUMA Cymbals Yushi OKANO Electric Vioin Asami HAYASHI Bass Kazuyuki K. NULL Guitar, Voice, Metalophone - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Hijokaidan merzbow Date: 11 Dec 2000 08:17:32 -0800 (PST) hee'joe-kai'dan = fire escape (fire exit) On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, samuel yrui wrote: > how do you pronounce it and what's it mean? Thanks. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Hijokaidan merzbow Date: 11 Dec 2000 08:19:44 -0800 (PST) on the other hand... flying testicle is completely far-flung and brilliant! masami akita - electronix, samples, drums, guitars, bass, beats maso yamazaki - screams, guitars, violin, casio, percussion zev asher - voices, sing, bass, tapes, toy yeah. On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Benjamin Pequet wrote: > It's a long improv. They seem to look for each other (read: it sucks) for Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: french pop Date: 11 Dec 2000 09:02:14 -0800 On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:39:43 -0800 Radio Khartoum wrote: > > Bertrand Burgalat > Ignatus > Katerine > Toog/Gilles Weinzaepflen > Julien Ribot > Dominique A > Etienne Charry > Mr. Quark > Savel > Gypsophile > Essiar > Watoo Watoo > Shop And no Jean-Louis Murat? Patrice. > Disclaimer: the last four have or will release records on RK. I was > going to leave Watoo Watoo out as too wimpy for the Zorn list, but if > you can handle Claudine, you can handle anything... Great! Looking forward for them. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 11 Dec 2000 09:07:40 -0800 On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:26:37 EST Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/11/00 9:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de writes: > > It is definitely a joke. Zorn commits suicide at the end of the interview. Are you sure? I heard that Jim O'Rourke was producing the solo project of Baby Spice. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 11 Dec 2000 12:39:32 -0500 Julian wrote: > << Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers > seem to stock it, > is it a bootleg?? >> > > It was actually released in 96 on the 'Rabid Dog Inoculator' label (unless > there was a 99 reissue?). It's very noisy and experimental, much more so > even than 7 NADEs, and in my opinion, it is not really essential Kang, but > you may disagree, especially if you are into his most noisy/messy side. I > don't remember where I got it but I think it may have been Aquarius Records. And if you're truly a completist, you'll want to look around for the limited edition 7" single that preceded it, "Driftwood & Dreams" / "Universal Indians" (Rabid Dog Inoculator, catalog number Intifada-1, released 1995). Did anyone hear Eyvind's string project dedicated to Leonard Peltier last night at Tonic? I'd considered catching the second set, but Tony Malaby at the Knit got off to a late start... Interesting lineup with Charlie Burnham, Skuli Sverrisson, Kato Hideki, etc. SS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 11 Dec 2000 09:05:09 -0800 On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:40:51 +1030 "sinkas" wrote: > > Hi all, > Ive been a fan of Eyvinds work for a while and I thought I had all his work, until I came across this title, at CDDB, alas It didnt give a recording lable or anythig, with the exception of a march 99 release date. > > Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers seem to stock it, > > is it a bootleg?? *** - SWEETNESS OF SICKNESS: Eyvind Kang 1996 (1997?) - Rabid God Inoculator (USA), RGI 004 (CD) I saw the record in a store in January 1997 (hence the doubt about the release year). The label (from Seattle) does not exist anymore. They had in plans to put out a live concert of AMM but they put the key under the door before. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: New Masada? Date: 11 Dec 2000 13:06:12 -0500 Hello All, Masada played new songs on Saturday night concert. Does it mean that Zorn is going to make a new studio recording or not? -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: pain pen & banjo players Date: 11 Dec 2000 12:12:10 -0500 i asked eugene who on 'pain pen' has played with pauline oliveros (since the question came up here). he responded: >>>I know I have NOT played with her but don't know about the rest of them. Glad you liked Pain Pen, you should harass the label and get them to release the second volume! also asked him about banjo players (having recently bought a 4-string myself). here's his suggestions, not too surprising, if anyone's interested: >>>for old time banjo I like Roscoe Holcomb and Lily May Ledford and don't forget Flatt And Scruggs, that will make you want to trade in that there emasculated four string you got ....happy tango! cheers. kg np: yoko ono/ima - rising mixes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Date: 11 Dec 2000 14:55:26 -0500 Peter Gannushkin wrote: > Thanks a lot. I completely forgot about this web site. Actually they > have also special CyberMusic Surplus > (http://www.cybermusicsurplus.com/) site with many CDs on sale. The > prices are at least twice lower than on the main Allegro site. Both > Label Bleu Ducret's albums are there. Good Lord! I just took a glance at this site. Just one page into the catalog and I know I'm in trouble... they've got tons of Black Saint and Soul Note CDs priced at $6.39 apiece, for example. I know I'm going to regret seeing this, but thanks for pointing it out all the same... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 11 Dec 2000 17:21:25 EST In a message dated 12/11/00 9:01:08 AM, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: << Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers seem to stock it, is it a bootleg?? >> you could try Bruce Gallanter at DMG, since I sold him my copy last week. Jon (just in the door from Austria, and already posting) www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: bill laswell Date: 11 Dec 2000 21:29:38 EST --part1_28.e534c14.2766e792_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey-- i know there is a die-hard Bill Laswell fan on this list, so this letter goes out to you: i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am unsure where to start. i have heard little of his music. please inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are easily obtained. i hate always searching for incredibly rare records that turn out to be horrible. thanks ben o --part1_28.e534c14.2766e792_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey--
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Tschuss, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 11 Dec 2000 22:10:58 -0800 >hey-- >i know there is a die-hard Bill Laswell fan on this list, so this letter goes >out to you: > >i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am unsure >where to start. >i have heard little of his music. >please inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are >easily obtained. >i hate always searching for incredibly rare records that turn out to be >horrible. > >thanks > Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix. Mostly Zakir Hussain playing some absolutely jaw-dropping tabla against some fairly subtle electronics/dub from Laswell. Also features Talvin Singh and others. Material: Intonarumori. One of the best-sounding hip-hop discs ever. Bill Laswell: Permutations. This is pretty recent, was easily orderable at least a month ago. A more "typical" Laswell production, if you dig this, you'll probably end up buying far too many of his cd's. Sigh. Painkiller: Anything really, either you'll like it or hate it. Panthalassa: his Miles-remix project. Probably the best electric-Miles greatest hits package. Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster and Graham Haynes. Incredibly well-recorded, but the content is barely above easy-listening. I really can't tell if this was intended to be a joke or not. I can't remember the title, but Laswell's Celtic remix project (Emerald-something, I think). Far too silly, you've got to wonder what he was thinking. Jazzonia: I hope this is out of print, but thought I'd warn you just in case. Jazz-scat singing, again over hip-hop lite. Really embarassing. These three discs make it really hard to justify my fandom. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 01:51:35 -0500 Hello Dave, That's really amazing how different the opinion and knowledge can be. From he list you recommended I know Painkiller and Panthalassa and would not recommend them as first Laswell CDs at all. They are probably on the top of Laswell's works but not for to begin with, I think. At the same time I can say that Operazone is probably not so good, although it was interesting to hear it live this summer. But I definitely like Jazzonia. Yes, it is some "lite" hip-hop and R&B, but who said that it supposed to be serious music? It is just very relaxing and well done easy-listening album. Here are my recommendations: 1. Axiom Ambient "Lost in the Translation" - a collection of slow tunes with several Laswell collaborators like Worrel, Buckethead, Sanders and Skopelitis. 2. Praxis "Transmutation" - best album of the the group with Buckethead, Collins, Worrel and brain. I like it even better than "Sacrifist" with Zorn. Hard to classify it as they are playing almost all styles Laswell is exploring. 3. Arcana "Arc of Testimony" - kind of fusion with last Tony Williams recordings on drums. 4. Material "Seven Souls" - Burroughs readings with spacey beats by Laswell, Shankar, Wobble and others in the background. 5. Sacred System "Book of Entrance" - dub mixes. 6. Bob Marley "Dreams of Freedom" - dub remixes of Marley almost without vocals. Tuesday, December 12, 2000, you wrote to me: >>i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am >>unsure where to start. i have heard little of his music. please >>inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are >>easily obtained. i hate always searching for incredibly rare records >>that turn out to be horrible. DT> Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix. DT> Material: Intonarumori. DT> Bill Laswell: Permutations. DT> Painkiller: Anything really, either you'll like it or hate it. DT> Panthalassa: his Miles-remix project. DT> Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: DT> Operazone: DT> Jazzonia: -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 02:10:28 -0500 Dave Trenkel wrote: > Panthalassa: his Miles-remix project. Probably the best electric-Miles > greatest hits package. A damn fine intro to this world which will leave most open minded listeners wanting more electric Miles, agreed. > Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: > Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" > hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster > and Graham Haynes. Oddly enough, your descriptions of the contributions of Lancaster and Haynes have actually made me *want* to hear this for the first time... given my own straight classical training, I thought this was a heinous idea from the moment I first heard about it and avoided it like syphilis, but you leave me wondering if there's some redeeming value... those arias ARE great tunes, after all. (I haven't yet heard Don Byron's recent take on this stuff either...) > I can't remember the title, but Laswell's Celtic remix project > (Emerald-something, I think). Far too silly, you've got to wonder what he > was thinking. 'Emerald Aether: Shape Shifting' on the Shanachie label. And you needn't wonder what he was thinking, more like what he was getting *paid* to do it. I actually kind of find this to be rather daffy fun, though certainly disposable; in fact, I'll freely confess that I listened to it only after trying to sell my promo copy to a bunch of secondhand stores and having them all turn me down! But, having listened, I have to say that I find it tuneful and pleasantly amusing. Maybe this is my personal by-product of having worked with the dictatorial Paddy Moloney of the Chieftains, secretly enjoying the cosmic slop Laswell applies to this trad Celt stuff... Still, I agree, it's lightweight stuff: pretty much "by the numbers" Laswell mixology, which should only be pursued by the most dedicated. Better to hope that the real reason Laswell was in touch with Shanachie - access to their Yazoo label's Blind Willie recordings for yet another remix project - ultimately pays off in the end. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Operazone/Don Byron Date: 12 Dec 2000 02:55:41 -0500 Hello Steve, Tuesday, December 12, 2000, you wrote to me: >> Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: >> Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" >> hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster >> and Graham Haynes. SS> Oddly enough, your descriptions of the contributions of Lancaster and Haynes have SS> actually made me *want* to hear this for the first time... given my own straight SS> classical training, I thought this was a heinous idea from the moment I first SS> heard about it and avoided it like syphilis, but you leave me wondering if SS> there's some redeeming value... those arias ARE great tunes, after all. They are great and they are not made so badly as you can imagine. But although Haynes, Lancaster and Karl Berger put some interesting stuff in this recording the whole concept with drum machines and very sweet arrangements makes it sappy. It is almost not changing through the whole album too. Berger showed it live with Peter Apfelbaum instead of Lancaster, with only Haynes from original line-up. There were a real tabla player and Hamid Drake on drums. That was much more interesting than original CD. It is sad that they didn't record that concert instead. SS> (I haven't yet heard Don Byron's recent take on this stuff SS> either...) This one is different. First of all, it has all kinds of tunes from Puccini, Chopin and Schumann to Ornette Coleman to Orbison and Mancini. The most classical ones have Byron on clarinets and Uri Caine on piano only. The idea is to proof that Roy Orbison's "It's Over" is the greatest aria. That's why the closest to classical music tunes are Leonard Bernstein's "Glitter and Be Gay" and Stevie Wonder's "Creepin'". Don't want to say anything about this concept but the album is beautiful. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FJG_Lamerikx Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 12 Dec 2000 09:32:11 +0100 In response to the following comments made about Eyvind Kang's "Sweetness of Sickness": > It was actually released in 96 on the 'Rabid Dog Inoculator' label (unless > there was a 99 reissue?). It's very noisy and experimental, much more so > even than 7 NADEs, and in my opinion, it is not really essential Kang, but > you may disagree, especially if you are into his most noisy/messy side. I > don't remember where I got it but I think it may have been Aquarius Records. Even though it is not my favorite Kang CD either (that honor is shared amongst both the NADEs CDs), I would like to point out that it is apparently Kang's favorite of his CDs. So, in that sense alone, it seems to be essential Kang... I thought "Story of Iceland" was very disappointing, though. On the subject of Kang - does the man have any plans to continue his NADEs series? Frankco. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 12 Dec 2000 21:46:26 +1030 Is it just me, or is it totally bizarre that people talink about = Bwitched even know who Zorn is? Funnily enough though, one of Australias Pop Sensations refers to Mr = Bungle's Disco Volante as an inspring album to her. "you just havnt earned it yet Baby!" I say.. Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Zorn Ends Masada Date: 12 Dec 2000 04:40:31 -0800 (PST) I spoke with Zorn at the December 9, 8:00 p.m. New York show about the Masada break-up, and he confirmed it. He debuted some new material as well... He explained that he'd record the new material with a different band.... The show was absolutely amazing thru and thru. I was lucky enough to sit in the 2nd row! So close that I could hear the clicking of Zorn fingering the saxophone! -Theo ===== -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 12 Dec 2000 13:55:11 +0100 (CET) > Is it just me, or is it totally bizarre that people talink about Bwitched even know who Zorn is? > > Funnily enough though, one of Australias Pop Sensations refers to Mr Bungle's Disco Volante as an inspring album to her. > what is her name??? bjoern - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 13 Dec 2000 00:11:15 +1100 > > Funnily enough though, one of Australias Pop Sensations refers to Mr Bungle's Disco Volante as an inspring album to her. > what is her name??? Vanessa Amarosi. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: bwitched Date: 12 Dec 2000 08:16:11 -0500 I actually looked at the site since I'm constantly prowling for procrastination tools while working on final papers, and it appears that every single thing there was fabricated. Some guy apparently thought it'd be funny to make a B*witched parody fan site. It wasn't. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:16 AM > Is it just me, or is it totally bizarre that people talink about Bwitched even know who Zorn is? > > Funnily enough though, one of Australias Pop Sensations refers to Mr Bungle's Disco Volante as an inspring album to her. > > "you just havnt earned it yet Baby!" I say.. > > Case > > "Alma Matters" > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Harrison" Subject: vanessa amorosi Date: 13 Dec 2000 00:05:25 +1100 I just couldn't resist any longer. Is it really true that Amorosi is into Mr Bungle? I find that quite strange. Still, they are very popular in Australia, esp in Melbourne where she comes from. -- _______________________________________________________________ Andrew Harrison Phantom Dog Music A.B.N. 89 306 085 735 P.O. Box 663 Moonee Ponds, VIC. Australia 3039 ph/fax (03) 9387 1341 email: andrew_harrison@metrocs.com.au http://www.amcoz.com.au/comp/h/aharris.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump Subject: Re: Zorn Ends Masada Date: 12 Dec 2000 07:18:37 -0800 Theo Klaase wrote: > I spoke with Zorn at the December 9, 8:00 p.m. > New York show about the Masada break-up, and he > confirmed it. As much as I've loved Masada in the past five years, I hope he carries through this time. I think Masada is too much a comfort zone for JZ now, and he needs to get outside it, find some irritating grains of sand that will produce the next pearls. > The show was absolutely amazing thru and thru. I > was lucky enough to sit in the 2nd row! Yoiks! For a second I thought you wrote, "I was lucky enough to sit in the 2nd show." I need sleep. William Crump - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 16:48:39 +0100 I would recommend three other records with Laswell not mentioned so far: - MASSACRE / Killing Time: (with Fred Frith and Fred Maher) 20 years old but still fresh - GOLDEN PALOMINOS / Golden Palominos: something special never reached again in following albums - BILL LASWELL / Imaginary Cuba: his view of the Cuba hype - I like it a lot Andreas _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 10:08:09 -0600 some "non-beatful" Laswell... Lots of people hated Invisible Design (Laswell's Tzadik release), but I enjoyed the sonic experience a lot - maybe it's not as groovy as other Laswell projects, but I think it shows a different side. Same with Baptism of Solitude, which is actually a collaboration between Laswell and author/composer Paul Bowles. Again, not beatful whatsoever and folks tend to like Laswell in that mode better, but I enjoy the combination of Bowles's voice and Laswell's atmospheric music. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Percussion music in RealAudio Date: 12 Dec 2000 10:21:22 -0600 Hi, This week's Mappings has solo and small group percussion music by a wide range of composers and performers at least some of whom will be of interest to readers of this group: Vinko Globokar, Lou Harrison, Gerry Hemingway, Susie Ibarra, Le Quan Ninh & Gunther Muller, Kaija Saariaho, Raymond Strid & Michael Zerang and Tony Williams. Hope y'all find some of it to you're liking. http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 11:51:16 -0500 (EST) Blind Willie Johnson? Blind Willie McTell? Figure they sound good well enough without being "re-mixed". Isn't this just another (joking) example of producers and by extension other entrepreneurs wanting to "fix" things that ain't broken. Sorta like the Clint Eastword "re-mixing" of Charlie Parker for his movie so his (Bird's) solos were coupled with a modern rhythm section. To extend a pun it ended up neither fish nor fowl, but pretty foul. Maybe Blind Willie would sound different remixed with Public Enemy or Bob Marley or The Master Musicians or Jasha Heifetz, but what's the point? Ken Waxman --- Steve Smith wrote: > Better to hope that the real reason Laswell was in > touch with Shanachie - access > to their Yazoo label's Blind Willie recordings for > yet another remix project - > ultimately pays off in the end. > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 13:35:43 EST a lot of good recommendations so far. it really does depend on what styles of music you're into, and sometimes the mood, too. i agree with some of his 'translations' comments. i found the celtic album ok, but not all that inspired. imaginary cuba, however, i enjoy quite a bit. same with the marley translations. more ambience to it than dub albums usually have, and that's part of it's appeal to me, i think. massacre's first, material's 'seven souls' and painkiller's 'execution ground' all are great imho too. if you want to try some beautiful ambient music, try 'rasa:serene, timeless joy' out last year on meta. some of the best ambient he's done in a while. there are some reviews posted on my discography (the index in regards to what is reviewed and what's not is a little out of date), if that's of any help... dave http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 13:51:35 -0500 Ken Waxman wrote: > Blind Willie Johnson? > Blind Willie McTell? I honestly forget. It's the "Blind Willie" to whom Sharrock frequently paid homage, if that's of any use... > Figure they sound good well enough without being > "re-mixed". Of course they do. This is just another example of the things Laswell's done with electric Miles, Bob Marley, Cuban music, etc. Some folks will like it and some will see it as superfluous. Remember the thundrous shitstorm that greeted 'Panthalassa' on many newsgroups and mailing lists? Personally I think they're kinda fun, but they don't replace the originals and aren't intended to. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 12:51:25 -0800 in case this turns into a poll, i would include: nagual site (his best east/west mix imo) tala matrix (artist is tabla beat sceince -- percussion heavy) seven souls (wm. burroughs-based -- artist is technically "material") hallucination engine (again, material) memory serves (again, material) then there's these which show laswell more as producer: hashisheen (lots of talking about the king of the assasins, nice ambient backgrounds) panthalessa (delicious electric miles -- disregard the controversy) here's one i sold back to the used record story pretty quickly: inatonarumori (give me dre or snoop or eminem) laswell works like max ernst, capturing ideas quickly, often as sketches (and often working with collages), rather than with the painstaking precision of dali. but the above recommendations are among his most "finished" product. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: laswell add Date: 12 Dec 2000 12:52:46 -0800 oh, and can't omit praxis- transmutation w/ buckethead, brain, bernie worrell and bootsy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re[3]: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 17:35:34 +0100 Peter> 1. Axiom Ambient "Lost in the Translation" - a collection of slow Peter> tunes with several Laswell collaborators like Worrel, Buckethead, Peter> Sanders and Skopelitis. Great Ambient work. Get it! Peter> 2. Praxis "Transmutation" - best album of the the group with Peter> Buckethead, Collins, Worrel and brain. I like it even better than Peter> "Sacrifist" with Zorn. Hard to classify it as they are playing almost Peter> all styles Laswell is exploring. Laswell doesn't play on this record at all. And IMO it's a CD, that you really don't need. Peter> 4. Material "Seven Souls" - Burroughs readings with spacey beats by Peter> Laswell, Shankar, Wobble and others in the background. Try out the Remixes ROAD TO THE WESTERN LANDS by Laswell, DJ Olive and others. If you like indian music, there is a wonderful indian recording with Shankar, Zakir Hussain and others: "Hear No Evil" Free Jazz? Then try out Last Exit's "Köln" (with Peter Brötzmann, Sonny Sharrock and Shannon Jackson) or "Low Life" by Brötzmann/Laswell. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Upcoming Buckethead Date: 12 Dec 2000 16:42:45 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0645A.8DA66360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two upcoming concerts with BucketheAD confirmed: 1) Mike Patton, DJ Eddie Def and Buckethead - Knitting Factory, Los Angelos - 12/16/00 (I think - check web for details) 2) Guns and Roses with Buckethead - New Years Eve in Las Vegas - House of Blues Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0645A.8DA66360 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Welcome to MSNMember.MSN.COM.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Welcome to MSNMember.MSN.COM.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://msnmember.msn.com/ [DOC#317] BASEURL=http://msnmember.msn.com/glb/info_expand.asp?CMID=12141 [DOC_STOCKSTORE] BASEURL=about:blank [InternetShortcut] URL=http://msnmember.msn.com/ Modified=60C0ADEB8364C00160 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0645A.8DA66360-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 20:43:04 -0500 At 01:51 PM 12/12/00 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > >> Blind Willie Johnson? >> Blind Willie McTell? > >I honestly forget. It's the "Blind Willie" to whom Sharrock frequently >paid homage, if that's of any use... There's been discussion of this before, Blind Willie Johnson with the most gravelly voice ever to sing blues or gospel. I can't wait to hear what BL does with this material. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 19:26:10 -0800 At 10:08 AM 12/12/00, Matthew Ross Davis wrote: >some "non-beatful" Laswell... > >Lots of people hated Invisible Design (Laswell's Tzadik release), but >I enjoyed the sonic experience a lot - maybe it's not as groovy as >other Laswell projects, but I think it shows a different side. > I can't say that I hated Invisible Design, it's actually a rather pleasant listen. But it's not one of my favorites either. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re[2]: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 19:26:07 -0800 At 1:51 AM 12/12/00, Peter Gannushkin wrote: >Hello Dave, > >That's really amazing how different the opinion and knowledge can be. >>From he list you recommended I know Painkiller and Panthalassa and >would not recommend them as first Laswell CDs at all. They are >probably on the top of Laswell's works but not for to begin with, I >think. > I think we'll agree to disagree on some of these! I was trying to recommend easily available discs, and I'm not sure whether certain things, like the axiom back catalog, early Material records, Last Exit, etc, are available. I stand behind both Painkiller and Panthalassa, though, Painkiller for a great representation of Laswell as a player, and Panthalassa for Laswell as remixer. >At the same time I can say that Operazone is probably not so good, >although it was interesting to hear it live this summer. But I >definitely like Jazzonia. Yes, it is some "lite" hip-hop and R&B, but >who said that it supposed to be serious music? It is just very >relaxing and well done easy-listening album. Well, scat singing tends to make my flesh crawl in the best of cases, so I was probably predisposed to not liking Jazzonia anyway:-). > >Here are my recommendations: And I agree with all the following, though I'm not sure of their availability. >5. Sacred System "Book of Entrance" - dub mixes. In fact, I'd recommend any of the Sacred System recordings, they tend to be among the best of Laswell's ethno-fusion-dub-jam discs. > >6. Bob Marley "Dreams of Freedom" - dub remixes of Marley almost >without vocals. I have to say that this record really did nothing for me. I was almost wishing that the dubbing would be more radical, and less respectful of the originals. After all, the originals can't really be improved upon. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: bill laswell Date: 12 Dec 2000 19:26:09 -0800 At 2:10 AM 12/12/00, Steve Smith wrote: > >> Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: >> Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" >> hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster >> and Graham Haynes. > >Oddly enough, your descriptions of the contributions of Lancaster and >Haynes have >actually made me *want* to hear this for the first time... given my own >straight >classical training, I thought this was a heinous idea from the moment I first >heard about it and avoided it like syphilis, but you leave me wondering if >there's some redeeming value... those arias ARE great tunes, after all. (I >haven't yet heard Don Byron's recent take on this stuff either...) The record makes me laugh every time I listen to it, and for that it's worth keeping. It's got the kind of earnest, "This is Quality Music", non-ironic appeal of, say, Mantovani or the Mystic Moods Orchestra. It's wonderfully recorded, and I'll repeat that Haynes and Lancaster both sound fantastic. But, like you say, the concept really is heinous, and the fact that it works so hard to overcome that makes it kind of endearing! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Re: laswell add Date: 12 Dec 2000 23:21:45 -0500 > oh, and can't omit > > praxis- transmutation w/ buckethead, brain, bernie worrell and bootsy > this is actually the only laswell work that i own, and i love it. can anyone suggest any albums similar to this? as a side note, the new tool box set has some great live tracks. i suggest that tool fans check it out. thanks david - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Schuller Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Date: 12 Dec 2000 21:19:39 -0800 (PST) >- > Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" > > >On the subject of Kang - does the man have any plans to continue his NADEs >series? > >Frankco. > > I heard from a very reliable source the other day that there is another Nade's coming out. With a title using the Theatre of Nade's again. It is going to include some wacky shit from an opera he performed with some others in the Seattle area. there is also apparantly an album he is doing for Ipecac (Fantomas, Melvins, Kid606) that is a book on tape. Yes, with Eyvind reading. And wait until you hear Los Parasitos!!!! With Timothy Young (Zony Mash, Very Special Forces) and Paul Moore (Very Special Forces) and Eyvind Kang!!!!! IT fucking rules!!!!!! You have to see them in Seattle...they have no recordings available....... == >>JS thisweek-->Hanatrash-5>Melt-Banana-TeenyShiny>Melvins-GlueyPorchTreatments>Various-AbstractDepressionism>EyvindKang-TheStoryOfIceland>FranciscoLopez-Untitles#104>KeijiHaino/Coa-You Should Draw Out The Billion And First Prayer _____________________________________________________________ --->Get you free email @godisdead.com Made possible by Fade to Black Comedy Magazine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: re: Remixing Blind Willie (was {and still is} Bill Laswell) Date: 13 Dec 2000 08:28:59 -0000 >From: Ken Waxman > >Blind Willie Johnson? >Blind Willie McTell? > >Figure they sound good well enough without being >"re-mixed". Isn't this just another (joking) example >of >producers and by extension other entrepreneurs wanting >to "fix" things that ain't broken. > >Sorta like the Clint Eastword "re-mixing" of Charlie >Parker for his movie so his (Bird's) solos were >coupled with a modern rhythm section. To extend a pun >it ended up neither fish nor fowl, but pretty foul. > >Maybe Blind Willie would sound different remixed with >Public Enemy or Bob Marley or The Master Musicians or >Jasha Heifetz, but what's the point? The point seems to be in part getting all the noise out of the masters according to Laswell. So in that sense at least something appears to be "broken." The other point is one of interpretation. I don't know what he plans to do with the remix, whether it will be an ambient interpretation or a "dub" interpretation or something else altogether. But even if Eastwood's remix of Parker didn't work, it doesn't mean that all such processes don't work (whatever "working" is taken to mean). I'll be interested to see how the project turns out, though as Dave Trenkel said this year's remixes have been a lot less compelling than previous efforts. My favorite Laswell, in no particular order: 1. Painkiller/Execution Ground 2. Praxis/Metatron 3. Material/Memory Serves 4. Material/Hallucination Engine 5. Sacred System/Chapter 2 6. Nicky Skopelitis/Ekstasis 7. Sonny Sharrock/Ask the Ages 8. Anton Fier/Dreamspeed 9. Equations of Eternity 10. Ashes/Corpus 11. Golden Palominos/Dead Inside 12. Hakim Bey/TAZ 13. The Best of Last Exit 14. Hear No Evil 15. Elixir/Heggalien Zone 16. Possession/African Dub 17. Lowlife (w/Brotzmann) Laswell-related recordings that I most hate: 1. Masters of None/Stained Glass Sky 2. Menace/Doghouse My favorite CDs of 2000 (in no particular order): 1. Jah Wobble and Invaders of the Heart/Molam Dub 2. Burkhard Stangl and Christof Kurzmann/Schnee 3. Thomas Lehn and Marcus Schmickler/Bart 4. Tabla Beat Science/Tabla Matrix 5. Various/Clicks and Cuts 6. Marclay and Yoshihide/Moving Parts 7. Bailey,Tacuma,Weston/Mirakle 8. Vladislav Delay/Entain 9. Muslimgauze/Baghdad 10. Masada/Live in Seville 11. Sussan Deyhim/Madman of God Favorite reissues: 1. Sun Ra and Amiri Baraka/Black Mass 2. Art Ensemble of Chicago/Les Stances a Sophie 3. Jazz Actuel 4. Rapoon/Fallen Gods (Cidar) 5. Miles Davis/The remasters of Get Up With It and Dark Magus 6. Sonny Sharrock/Black Woman I apologize if I've started all this too early. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pascal Cortes Subject: New Klucevsek on W&W Date: 13 Dec 2000 11:48:34 +0100 Hello Zornlist, I've learned yesterday that accordionist Guy Klucevsek had a new album out on Winter & Winter (already available here in France), so I thought some of you might be interested. The album is called "Accordance", and seems to be an accordeon duet between Glucevsek and someone named "Bern". (Never heard of him, any info ?), with some occasionnal piano/accordion also... (who plays the piano ? Klucevsek ?) Although I've not heard it for real yet , the sound samples I've found so far are very attractive, maybe more in the traditional/Balkan/tango/European vein than his previous solo outings. Some of the tracks are familiar to me and should also be familiar to you (from "Stolen Memories", "Charms of the night sky", etc)... Has anyone already heard it ? Pascal. np: Clusone3 "An hour with" (HatOLOGY).... pure bliss ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: monk Date: 13 Dec 2000 08:02:02 +0000 hey, i saw a documentary on thelonius monk a while back, it was in black and white and very grainy. in it monk is sitting down by a piano being interviewed and the guy asks him why he still has his coat on ... monk points to the piano's label design and it says WINTER. now, i've just seen a monk film called straight no chaser in a magazin at the video store where i work ... is it the same film? i want to order it if it is. thanks, martin p.s. can anyone comment on the films of maya deren, what are they like? her husband did the film scores, he has an album on tzadik called KING UBU. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: New Klucevsek on W&W Date: 13 Dec 2000 07:53:52 EST The "Bern" on Guy's new disc "Accordance" is Alan Bern. Here's all I could=20 find about him (it's buried at the end of Guy's bio): Guy Klucevsek has created a unique repertoire for accordion through his own=20 composing and by commissioning works from John Zorn, Aaron Jay Kernis, Mary=20 Ellen Childs, William Duckworth, Somei Satoh and others. Klucevsek has=20 composed dance scores for choreographers like Karen Bamonte, Angela=20 Caponigro, Anita Feldman and Mark Taylor. He collaborated with writer,=20 director, and visual artist Ping Chong on the music-theater piece Chinoiseri= e=20 (1995). His solo performances include the Adelaide Festival, the Berlin Jazz= =20 Festival and Serious Fun! at the Lincoln Center. Klucevsek has played with=20 and/or recorded with Dave Douglas, Laurie Anderson, Bill Frisell, the Kronos= =20 Quartet, Rel=E2che and John Zorn, etc. Among his records are Accordion Tribe= =20 and Accordion Tribe 2: Four Accordions of the Apocalypse, featuring American= =20 composers and accordionists Alan Bern, Amy Den and Pauline Oliveros, as well= =20 as Polka Dots & Laser Beams. Guy Klucevsek can play everything from=20 traditional polka to the most abstract chromatic twenty-first century music. Cheers, tom In a message dated 12/13/00 5:48:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 Pascal.Cortes@dstu.univ-montp2.fr writes: << Hello Zornlist, I've learned yesterday that accordionist Guy Klucevsek had a new album out on Winter & Winter (already available here in France), so I thought some of you might be interested. The album is called "Accordance", and seems to be an accordeon duet between Glucevsek and someone named "Bern". (Never heard of him, any info ?), with some occasionnal piano/accordion also... (who plays the piano ? Klucevsek ?= ) Although I've not heard it for real yet , the sound samples I've found so far are very attractive, maybe more in the traditional/Balkan/tango/European vein than his previous solo outings.=20 Some of the tracks are familiar to me and should also be familiar to you (from "Stolen Memories", "Charms of the night sky", etc)...=20 =20 Has anyone already heard it ? =20 Pascal. np: Clusone3 "An hour with" (HatOLOGY).... pure bliss ! >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: New Klucevsek on W&W Date: 13 Dec 2000 14:17:25 +0100 >From: Pascal Cortes > >I've learned yesterday that accordionist Guy Klucevsek had a new album out >on Winter & Winter (already available here in France), so I thought some of >you might be interested. >The album is called "Accordance", and seems to be an accordeon duet between >Glucevsek and someone named "Bern". (Never heard of him, any info ?), It´s Alan Bern and beside his collaboration with Klucevsek in Accordian Tribe 2 he´s the leader of the Klezmer band Brave Old World. I haven´t heard the new CD by now but it´s on my list for future purchases... Andreas _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Saft "Sovlanut" (+ Jim Black) Date: 13 Dec 2000 15:02:48 +0100 > Everyone (especially the people who are praising Saft) should check out > Bobby Previte's "Too Close To The Pole", which features Saft and other great > young players (like Cuong Vu, Curtis Hasselbring and Andrew D'Angelo) and of > course some of Previte's most wonderful composition and arrangement... I must say that IMO this was is least interesting WCTF. I'd rather recommend hue&cry, a really awesome album. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: New Klucevsek on W&W Date: 13 Dec 2000 09:12:15 EST It will be released on January 9, 2001 in the U.S. Tom In a message dated 12/13/00 8:18:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 andreasdietz@hotmail.com writes: << >I've learned yesterday that accordionist Guy Klucevsek had a new album o= ut >on Winter & Winter (already available here in France), so I thought some o= f >you might be interested. >The album is called "Accordance", and seems to be an accordeon duet betwee= n >Glucevsek and someone named "Bern". (Never heard of him, any info ?), =20 It=B4s Alan Bern and beside his collaboration with Klucevsek in Accordian=20 Tribe 2 he=B4s the leader of the Klezmer band Brave Old World. =20 I haven=B4t heard the new CD by now but it=B4s on my list for future=20 purchases... =20 Andreas >> ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: monk Date: 13 Dec 2000 06:40:52 -0800 on 12/13/00 12:02 AM, Philippe Dupuis at dupuisph@nb.sympatico.ca wrote: > hey, > > i saw a documentary on thelonius monk a while back, it was in > black and white and very grainy. in it monk is sitting down by > a piano being interviewed and the guy asks him why he still > has his coat on ... monk points to the piano's label design and > it says WINTER. > > now, i've just seen a monk film called straight no chaser in a > magazin at the video store where i work ... is it the same film? > > i want to order it if it is. > > thanks, > martin > > p.s. can anyone comment on the films of maya deren, what are they > like? her husband did the film scores, he has an album on tzadik > called KING UBU. > > - > > Hi, First of all didn't the Kink's Ray Davies do a documentary on Monk? And yes do see Maya Deren films. A good example of mid-forties Surrealism at work. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: vanessa amorosi Date: 14 Dec 2000 01:58:50 +1100 > I just couldn't resist any longer. Is it really true that Amorosi is > into Mr Bungle? I find that quite strange. Still, they are very popular > in Australia, esp in Melbourne where she comes from. Well it is certainly well-documented in a few interviews that she likes them, she could be lying to be cool but I doubt it. I know a lot of people who are into good music but play bad music for the money. Incidentally just by chance she happened to hear my band which is quite strange and a little bit Bungle-y and she certainly seemed to enjoy that too (she said "it rocks" or something like that)... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #196 Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:36:25 -0400 Hello everyone - I've got a number of albums by the great horn player Sam Rivers that I really REALLY enjoy (in particular Waves and Dimensions and Extensions). I just saw an album by him called Configuration from 1998 on Pelican Records (with NOel Akchote and some other players I didn't know) that I've never even heard of. Has anyone heard this that can give me the scoop if it's worth shelling out some bucks for it??? Also, I know last time I talked to him (about a year ago) that Tim Berne had indicated that he was going to concentrate more on his playing rather than on putting out albums - But does anyone know when he will actually be releasing something new - there's word of a double album from his time in Europe with a larger group being released, but what ever happened to the follow up Big Satan album???? Furthermore, does anyone have any idea when Bobby Previte is going to release a new album under his own name??? Thanks, mike NP George Russell - The Jazz Workshop. (EXCELLENT ALBUM!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:20:46 -0500 (EST) This discussion got me thinking about the nicknames of different early folk and jazz performesr and I came up with this list: Blind Willie Johnson Blind Willie McTell Blind Boy Fuller Blind Sonny Terry Blind Lemon Jefferson Blind Blake Blind Gary Davis Cripple Clarence Lofton Peg Leg Howell All of which shows that: a) From great adversity comes great art b) Unless soem sort of universal medicare exists as we have in Canada, it's always the poor and disadvantaged who suffer the most Ken Waxman "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote: > There's been discussion of this before, Blind Willie > Johnson with the most gravelly voice ever to sing blues or gospel. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 11:44:13 -0500 On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 12:20:46PM -0500, Ken Waxman wrote: > a) From great adversity comes great art As is shown by the stunning audacity of the work of Blind Jose Feliciano. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:33:21 -0500 (EST) What, Joe: You can't see the subversive genius of a man who could turn "Light My Fire" from a sex-drenched plea into the sort of singalong MOR anthem even folks like the Osmonds could get behind? And if it wasn't for the struggles of folks like Jose and Trini Lopez would the world now be welcoming for the musical outpourings of their soul brother Ricky Martin? How did Jose style that Beatle haircut anyways? K --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 12:20:46PM -0500, Ken Waxman > wrote: > > > a) From great adversity comes great art > > As is shown by the stunning audacity of the work of > Blind Jose > Feliciano. > > -- > |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ > --- Marcel Duchamp <| > | jzitt@metatronpress.com > http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | > | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn > http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | > | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John > Cage Discussion List | > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:34:01 EST In a message dated 12/13/00 12:21:56 PM, mingusaum@yahoo.ca writes: << All of which shows that: a) From great adversity comes great art b) Unless soem sort of universal medicare exists as we have in Canada, it's always the poor and disadvantaged who suffer the most >> c) you've got a bit too much free time on your hands. Blind Willie Johnson is amazing, by the way, for anyone who hasn't heard him. up there with Skip James, Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters in my personal pantheon of blues musicians. get the remastered double CD on Columbia/Legacy, though, not the individual ones on Yazoo which are very hard to listen to with all of the surface noise. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: New Klucevsek on W&W Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:38:48 -0500 Hi there > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Pascal Cortes > The album is called "Accordance", and seems to be an accordeon > duet between > Glucevsek and someone named "Bern". (Never heard of him, any info ?), with > some occasionnal piano/accordion also... (who plays the piano ? > Klucevsek ?) This duo played in NYC at tonic earlier in the year, and mentioned the duo recording. They both contributed compositions. Some by Bern were loose and allowed for a lot of improv. One of particular note was a piece where they each played notes corresponding to personal information - phone number, social security number, etc - with the intent of exchanging it. Not sure if that's what actually happened. Guy stuck to Accordion; Alan Bern played both accordion and piano, so I would assume it's the same setup on record. Also, I caught the Paul Bley, Gary Peacock, Paul Motain trio last night at the Iridium - those guys have big fat Dumbo ears. Too bad they weren't playing a better, cheaper, and quieter room, like the Vanguard. s ee ya Jim McLoughlin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Beardsley Subject: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:00:34 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: > Blind Willie Johnson is amazing, by the way, for anyone who hasn't heard him. > up there with Skip James, Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters in my personal > pantheon of blues musicians. get the remastered double CD on Columbia/Legacy, > though, not the individual ones on Yazoo which are very hard to listen to > with all of the surface noise. Hi Jon, I'll second that. Simply amazing. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Taylor Tierney Subject: Re: monk Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:26:25 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Philippe Dupuis wrote: > hey, > > i saw a documentary on thelonius monk a while back, it was in > black and white and very grainy. in it monk is sitting down by > a piano being interviewed and the guy asks him why he still > has his coat on ... monk points to the piano's label design and > it says WINTER. > > now, i've just seen a monk film called straight no chaser in a > magazin at the video store where i work ... is it the same film? > > i want to order it if it is. > > thanks, > martin > > p.s. can anyone comment on the films of maya deren, what are they > like? her husband did the film scores, he has an album on tzadik > called KING UBU. > > - > > I'm not sure whether that scene's in it, because it's been a while since I've seen the film, but "Straight No Chaser" is a documentary about monk produced by Clint Eastwood and directed by Charlotte Zwerin. It's mostly just rare footage of Monk in concert and in private with a little biographical material, and as a result is primarily in grainy black and white, so it's probably the movie you saw. --Adam Tierney - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 19:06:08 +0100 > Blind Willie Johnson > Blind Willie McTell > Blind Boy Fuller > Blind Sonny Terry > Blind Lemon Jefferson > Blind Blake > Blind Gary Davis > Cripple Clarence Lofton > Peg Leg Howell > You're forgetting perhaps the greatest, Blind Orange Washington, whose obituary was a masterpiece of music research. Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Marsh?= Subject: Re:monk Date: 13 Dec 2000 18:29:54 +0000 (GMT) tosh wrote: >Hi, >First of all didn't the Kink's Ray Davies do a documentary on Monk? no, he did one on one Mingus. "weird Nightmare', and it was basically a documentary of the making of the Hal Willner curated tribute record. Worth seing though. cheers Peter ===== lob - astralpunkfunkambientnoisejazz http://www.lentils.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: monk Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:32:00 EST In a message dated 12/13/00 1:30:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, astrogarage@yahoo.co.uk writes: << no, he did one on one Mingus. "weird Nightmare', and it was basically a documentary of the making of the Hal Willner curated tribute record. Worth seing though. cheers Peter >> Is this available anywhere? All I have is an excerpt of Elvis Costello's contribution. Curious, tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:54:14 -0500 (EST) My goodness Francesco: This must be a recent passing. He's still listed as proofreader in the December issue of Cadence. Was it citricide? On a related matter what's this I hear about a new conductor, Sordo Mellone E. Prosciutto, taking over the arrangements and musical direction of the Italian Instabile? Ken --- Francesco Martinelli wrote: > > > Blind Willie Johnson > > Blind Willie McTell > > Blind Boy Fuller > > Blind Sonny Terry > > Blind Lemon Jefferson > > Blind Blake > > Blind Gary Davis > > Cripple Clarence Lofton > > Peg Leg Howell > > > > You're forgetting perhaps the greatest, Blind Orange > Washington, whose > obituary was a masterpiece of music research. > Francesco > > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: new charizmha cd Date: 13 Dec 2000 14:43:24 -0600 Hi, I'm busy making mental lists of my post-Holidays purchases. Has anyone heard the following release? Any ideas about US distribution, release date? Thanks, Ben Dieb 13 Dieb 13, turntables. Formlos (30.51) Restructuring (35.38) Track 1 recorded on 3 October 1999 at Musikprotokoll; track 2 recorded at Sperrmuell-Studio, Vienna in August 2000. The artwork on this CD (front cover reproduced above) is open content. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: monk Date: 13 Dec 2000 17:26:46 +0100 I've seen STRAIGHT NO CHASER several years ago, so I don't remember it exactly. But I think it was a documentary containing a few concert excerpts, small interviews and so on. But I can't remember the scene that you explained. It might help you that Clint Eastwood produced this film and I suppose it's not very old. (About ten years???) PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de Wednesday, December 13, 2000, 9:02:02 AM, you wrote: Philippe> hey, Philippe> i saw a documentary on thelonius monk a while back, it was in Philippe> black and white and very grainy. in it monk is sitting down by Philippe> a piano being interviewed and the guy asks him why he still Philippe> has his coat on ... monk points to the piano's label design and Philippe> it says WINTER. Philippe> now, i've just seen a monk film called straight no chaser in a Philippe> magazin at the video store where i work ... is it the same film? Philippe> i want to order it if it is. Philippe> thanks, Philippe> martin Philippe> p.s. can anyone comment on the films of maya deren, what are they Philippe> like? her husband did the film scores, he has an album on tzadik Philippe> called KING UBU. Philippe> - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: new charizmha cd Date: 13 Dec 2000 16:05:29 EST In a message dated 12/13/00 3:45:09 PM, soulfrieda@hotmail.com writes: << Has anyone heard the following release? Any ideas about US distribution, release date? Dieb 13 Dieb 13, turntables.>> I just got a copy of this and the other new Charhizma release, Andrea Neumann/Annette Krebs, while I was in Vienna. the dieb 13 is pretty good, crackly, abstract turntablism. one of the pieces is live, and the other was worked on at home with dub plates. his trio show with the two bassists of Printer was my favorite set over the weekend. (I haven't filed a full festival report here, by the way, because I'm reviewing it for the Wire.) as for US distribution and release date, it's out now in Europe, so whenever Christof Kurzmann motivates to get copies to Dutch East India, it'll be available here. I talked to him about this over the weekend, so hopefully soon. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 13 Dec 2000 17:32:11 -0500 for a lark and one of my biggest obsessions: Blind Norris Doc Watson Two members of the Skillet Lickers were disabled: Riley Puckett (blind), & Lowe Stokes (lost his arm) Blind Joe Reynolds Blind Alfred Reed Blind Willie Davis Blind Mamie Forehand Blind Joe Taggart Blind Roosevelt Graves All of the latter can be found on Revenent's American Primitive Vol. 1 cd compiled and notes by John Fahey. mmm. The best old religious record, by the way, is Rev. A.W. Nix and Congregation's "Black Diamond Expressway To Hell" part 1&2 Sorry. This is a hobbyhorse of mine. matt Ken Waxman wrote: > Blind Willie Johnson > Blind Willie McTell > Blind Boy Fuller > Blind Sonny Terry > Blind Lemon Jefferson > Blind Blake > Blind Gary Davis > Cripple Clarence Lofton > Peg Leg Howell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Bobby Previte Date: 13 Dec 2000 17:40:58 -0500 Were any of our European friends lucky enough to catch the "new" Bump the Renaissance during their recent tour (possibly with recorder in hand)? Was wondering what the switch from Ray Anderson to Joseph Bowie sounded like. If your answer to the secret question is "yes" then contact me privately. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 14 Dec 2000 05:26:40 -0000 >This discussion got me thinking about the nicknames of >different early folk and jazz performesr and I came up >with this list: > >Blind Willie Johnson >Blind Willie McTell >Blind Boy Fuller >Blind Sonny Terry >Blind Lemon Jefferson >Blind Blake >Blind Gary Davis >Cripple Clarence Lofton >Peg Leg Howell Don't forget to mention Blind Nathan Beauregard; caught a clip of him once on TV, 106 years old, blind (obviously!), bald, and playing electric guitar while sitting in a chair, I kid you not, he did some scattered recordings, I have one on an ABC Bluesway 2LP collection... Peace Out N.P. 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Apologies if this question has > already been raised on the list. well, adam: if you are getting into frank zappa - i'd say start saving money now. every single person i know who ever got into zappa did eventually spend a lot of money on cds/records by him. i'd already been a fan of frank zappa drummer terry bozzio before i discovered frank's music. my first purchase was "sheik yerbouti"; still one of my faves. but i think i can also recommend "zoot allures", "apostrophe / overnite sensation", "live in new york", "waka/jawaka"... i'd say check those out. already looking forward to what other list-members have to say! patRice np: jamie saft, sovlanut nr: haruki murakami, norwegian wood recent videos i enjoyed: ali g - aiii / bottom live - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 05:58:39 -0500 At 09:04 PM 12/14/00 +1100, Adam Rock wrote: >>>> Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as useful starting points for the newbie? Apologies if this question has already been raised on the list. <<<< I didn't follow FZ through his whole career, but the early Mothers of Invention albums are excellent, in particular Freak Out, Absolutely Free, and Only Money. His satire had not yet devolved into puerile vocals yet, but all three of these albums have a heavy dose of vocals. Only Money and its companion Lumpy Gravy contains some the few examples of serious electroacoustic music in 1960s pop (Beatles Revolution #9 is the only other example I can think of), but also contains some of FZ's best melodies and catchy pop tunes. Freak Out is more straight rock but has a fairly long percussion improv piece. Absolutely Free is scathing satire on the entertainment industry and pseudo-hippies. His first solo album Hot Rats, almost all instrumental except a brief vocal by Beefheart, is also quite good. It features Zappa and multi-instrumentalist Ian Underwood on keyboards and winds. Some of the last original Mothers albums had some gems too: Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped my Flesh, and Uncle Meat all have some excellent moments. Yellow Shark is reputed to be *the* classical Zappa album, I think, although I've only read about this album. Shut Up and Play Your Guitar is great if you're looking for guitar pyrotechnics and little else. Avoid Mothers Live at Fillmore 1971, too many early 1970s references in the comedy bits and not enough music. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 06:08:05 EST In a message dated 12/14/00 5:02:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au writes: << Hi Folks, Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as useful starting points for the newbie? Apologies if this question has already been raised on the list. Thanks, Adam >> The "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore" series is a fine live overview of Zappa's stunning career. Still misses Frank, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 06:34:49 EST In a message dated 12/14/00 5:59:02 AM, cdeupree@erinet.com writes: << Only Money and its companion Lumpy Gravy contains some the few examples of serious electroacoustic music in 1960s pop (Beatles Revolution #9 is the only other example I can think of) >> Gilberto Gil's Cerebro Eletronico (1969) has some great electroacoustics on it, courtesy of Rogerio Duprat. also, not quite the sixties, but Can's Tago Mago (1971) has a side long piece, Aumgn, which is also pretty great. those are the first two that come to mind. my favorite Zappa records are Freak Out! and Weasels Ripped My Flesh, FWIW. on a somewhat related note, did anyone see the Allan Kozinn review in the NY Times this week, I believe of a Phil Kline show, in which he called Jim Morrison and Frank Zappa contemporary musicians? now there's someone who's just as much in touch with today's music as Ken Burns. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 06:49:34 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:34 AM > my favorite Zappa records are Freak Out! and Weasels Ripped My Flesh, FWIW. Is Freak Out the one where the sleeve lists a bunch of experimental artists as influences? I read somewhere that Jim O'Rourke credited that with first getting him into all that stuff, as he went and researched all of them at the library. (We certainly don't have a library like that were I live). -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Bobby Previte Date: 14 Dec 2000 13:03:04 +0100 >From: "Alan Kayser" > >Were any of our European friends lucky enough to catch the "new" Bump the >Renaissance during their recent tour (possibly with recorder in hand)? Was >wondering what the switch from Ray Anderson to Joseph Bowie sounded like. >If your answer to the secret question is "yes" then contact me privately. I´ve seen both versions: in august with Anderson and in november with Bowie and the first concert was much better. This wasn´t the case because of Bowie but other circumstances: better acoustic, much more enthusiastic visitors, better atmosphere. Bowie did a good job but wasn´t really into the material. The venue was an old plant building with horrible acoustic. Andreas PS: I didn´t tape anything _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 07:04:49 -0500 At 06:49 AM 12/14/00 -0500, Jesse Kudler wrote: > >Is Freak Out the one where the sleeve lists a bunch of experimental artists >as influences? I read somewhere that Jim O'Rourke credited that with first >getting him into all that stuff, as he went and researched all of them at >the library. (We certainly don't have a library like that were I live). Yup, that's the one. FZ quoted Edgar 'the present day composer refuses to die' Varese on all of the early albums, but the big list is in Freak Out. I remember searching out Stockhausen and a couple of the others myself. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: PD: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 13:37:52 +0100 ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Do: "Adam Rock" Wyslano: 14 grudnia 2000 13:34 Temat: Odp: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) | | ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- | Od: "Adam Rock" | Do: | Wyslano: 14 grudnia 2000 11:04 | Temat: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) | | | >Hi Folks, | | >Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as useful | starting points for the newbie? Apologies if >this question has already been | raised on the list. | | >Thanks, | | >Adam | | | Most accesible is "Cruising with the Ruben and Jets" but my favs are "Bongo | Fury", "One size fits all" "Grand Wazoo" and "Hot Rats" | | | Jerzy | | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: PD: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 13:37:38 +0100 ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Do: "Caleb T. Deupree" Wyslano: 14 grudnia 2000 13:35 Temat: Odp: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) | | | | | Avoid Mothers Live at Fillmore 1971, too many early 1970s references in | the | | comedy bits and not enough music. | | | | -- | | Caleb Deupree | | | IMHO very funny album. I like Flo&Eddie :)) | | | | Jerzy | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nuno Barreiro Subject: More Zappa (with a little Zorn content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 12:38:31 +0000 << Hi Folks, Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may function as useful starting points for the newbie? Apologies if this question has already been raised on the list. Thanks, Adam >> I think that the interesting thing about Zappa (and, by the way, about Zorn too - the Z initial is not the only thing in common) is that you can't just recommend a few albums for the newbie. In order to recommend anything one really needs to know who the newbie is (musically, I mean). Zappa has several different approaches to music, corresponding to his different bands and phases, which are all coherent and respectable. And when you enter the Zappa universe you usually end up by understanding and enjoying (more or less) all this approaches, even if you have started by the specific one/ones which is/are closer to your musical tastes. A good example of this:I have a friend who (like me) is crazy about Zappa and Zorn, but that's about all that we like in common (musically, of course). Best, Nuno PS: I wrote to the list a few weeks ago about Boulez... I had a few reactions to my mail but still haven't answered them. In fact, what was supposed to be a short reply became something more elaborate and I'll have to find some time to finish it... Coming soon! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Boer" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 13:52:16 GMT+0100 Personally I got introduced by Zappy through listening to his later work first: _The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life_, _Make A Jazz Noise Here_ plus all the other '88-related albums. From there on I started to listen to the _You Can't Do That..series_, which made me familiar with the earlier work also. And the addiction started.. My personal favourite for a rather long time now is _We're Only In It For The Money_. Jeroen Jeroen de Boer music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209 gsm: +31 (0)624814506 usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl http://www.cyberslag.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: escalator over the hill Date: 14 Dec 2000 07:54:50 EST In a message dated 12/14/00 8:06:53 AM, you wrote: <> hi crew; just saw the video of the making of carla bley's 'escalator over the hill' by stephen gebhardt; moving, stunning, and made me feel old in a good way. the sound and film are astoundingly clear. highly recommended. steve koenig n.p. james fei 3"CDr: for saxophone with card reed and gated amplification - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 14:33:14 +0100 Jeroen de Boer wrote: My personal favourite for a rather long time now is _We're Only In It > For The Money_. > oh my god - how could i have possibly forgotten that! totally second this recommendation! the cd has "lumpy gravy" as an added bonus. essential zappa! patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patrice schneider Subject: Re: Masada in Europe next fall Date: 14 Dec 2000 14:50:18 +0100 Andreas Dietz wrote: > Hi Zornlisters, > > recently there was a thread about Masada=B4s end in the near future and= the > last european concert in Paris in january - but on Dave Douglas=B4 webs= ite is > Masada scheduled october 14 in Bern, Switzerland... > > Andreas but it also says there "tba" (=3D to be announced). what i find a bit weird is the fact that "masada" are not listed under th= e "concert offers 2001" on the "saudades" homepage... (for those who don't know: "sa= udades" represent zorn - and many other downtowners - over here in europe.) patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Masada in Europe next fall Date: 14 Dec 2000 15:11:02 +0100 >From: patrice schneider > >but it also says there "tba" (= to be announced). this is not tbc (to be confirmed) and I understand tba only the venue is uncertain >what i find a bit weird is the fact that "masada" are not listed under the >"concert >offers 2001" on the "saudades" homepage... (for those who don't know: >"saudades" >represent zorn - and many other downtowners - over here in europe.) > >patRice it´s listed under special projects on request as it was in the past Andreas _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 06:58:49 -0800 UNCLE MEAT - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: escalator over the hill Date: 14 Dec 2000 09:57:33 -0500 On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 07:54:50AM -0500, Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > just saw the video of the making of carla bley's 'escalator over the hill' > by stephen gebhardt; moving, stunning, and made me feel old in a good way. > the sound and film are astoundingly clear. highly recommended. Ooh... Is this available? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perdida Subject: Frank Zappa changed my life (no zorn content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 10:50:10 -0500 Jesse wrote: Is Freak Out the one where the sleeve lists a bunch of experimental artists as influences? I read somewhere that Jim O'Rourke credited that with first getting him into all that stuff, as he went and researched all of them at the library. (We certainly don't have a library like that were I live). __________________________________________________________________________ I was 15 years old when I bought Freak Out (and still have it, in reasonable playing condition, 33 years later!) When I read the liner notes I realized that there was so much more out there to learn as far as music and philosophy were concerned, than I had dreamt of! Of course, at that age, that's probably not saying much, but I do distinctly remember reading a reference to Edgard Varese, which sent me on my first quest for musical knowledge that led past what AM radio in Montreal was playing at that time. Marianne ________________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!" Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone' *********** "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" Frank Zappa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marianne Catarina Braendlein Centre for the Support of Teaching York University Toronto, Ontario. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: worst zorn record Date: 14 Dec 2000 16:31:37 -0000 An old mail I found, which I meant to reply to long time ago. From the discussion about the worst ever Zorn record: >"Nani Nani" (with Yamatsuka Eye) and the infamous guest spot >with the Intergalactic Maiden Ballet (I haven't actually heard it >myself >due to all the warnings). "Nani Nani" actually has it's moment >(s) but generally it's just Zorn and Eye screwing around... "Nani Nani" is one of my absolute favorite records, Zorn and otherwise!! But, I consider this much more an Eye record than a Zorn record. For me, this is clearly not just some piece of throwaway pissing around, as many people have accused it of, but seems closely related to the things Eye is doing in the Puzzle Punks band and some of his other recent projects. So since this is basically Eye and not Zorn, don’t expect superb arrangements of beautiful Jewish melodies played by amazing musicians. This is not what Eye does, so if you expect something like that you will get dissapointed. Very. This also goes for the most controversial track, the “ultra minimalist” 18 minute one. For me this is a perfectly logic extension of what Eye and Boredoms have been experimenting with since “Chocolate Synthesiezer”. He has also said this himself in interviews. He calls it “Cosmic Trance Ambient” or whatever. “Super Roots 3” is even more extreme in that direction anyway, that’s over 35 minutes long, so don’t come here complaining... :-) Had this been released now, I think people would look totally different on this track, concidering the whole sinewave thing has come and gone since. But since it just happens to predate all that, people think it’s trash. I will, however, admit to not actually listening to the whole 18min track every time I hear this CD, but I’m not a big fan of sinewave stuff... :-) But the stuff with Intergalactic Maiden Ballet is surely horrible! ARTHUR_G _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Frank Zappa (No Zorn Content) Date: 14 Dec 2000 12:25:41 EST I'm a total Zappa fanatic of the first water, and all the stuff I like about him is covered on YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON STAGE ANYMORE VOL 2: THE HELSINKI CONCERT, a 1974 live show that is just incredible. Best -- skip h NP: Trio Los Panchos Con Eydie Gorme, NAVIDAD MEANS XMAS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: Zappa (sorry if this is long) Date: 14 Dec 2000 14:49:41 +0000 hello, -Can anyone recommend some Frank Zappa albums that may -function as useful starting points for the newbie? Apologies -if this question has already been raised on the list. i remember going through a whole year where the only thing i would listen to was frank zappa. i wouldn't even want to talk about music with anyone unless it was about frank zappa. a few albums i liked where UNCLE MEAT my favorite zappa album. i like the early mothers album more than anything he did afterwards. these are less slick and more about mixing all his obsessions/ musical tastes in one bombastic record of music. this one has great little instrumental pieces that pin point exactly what i like about him. strange instruments being put together to make a grand affair of the weird. too bad this double album has 30 minutes or so of boring dialogue put together for a film, one listen of that is enough and i've never listened to it again. the first disk is fantastic and essential FZ. HOT RATS the first track called peaches in regalia is what started it all for me. this album is probably the first you should get. all the tracks are good, and save for a couple of long winded solos (not really a bad thing when zap's playing) this album is really well balanced. get this one for sure. captain beefheart sings on track two (willie the pimp) and it's wonderful. THE YELLOW SHARK this is zappa getting the royal treatment when competant people play his modern classical pieces. great music, great liner notes. the best thing to get if you want to see his "classical" side. LUMPY GRAVY a library of sounds put together in a wild collage that includes surreal dialogue with people that got stuffed in a piano and where told to ramble on about pigs and ponies. might be a bit much if your just getting into this kind of music. but i've found that with time this album grows on you. others that i like include ... EARLY MOTHERS We're Only in it for the Money Burnt Weenie Sandwich Weasels Ripped my Flesh SYNCLAVIER Civilization Phase III Jazz from Hell FZ Meets the Mothers of Prevention (the synclavier stuff in it is fun while the rest, in my opinion, is kinda boring) OTHERS THAT ARE OK Chunga's Revenge Grand Wazoo Lost Episodes (i actually like this one alot) Over-Nite Sensation Apostrophe Make a Jazz noise Here DISSAPOINTING (to me anyways) Freak Out Fillmore East 1971 (avoid) London Symphony Orchestra vol I & II Joe's Garage The Best Band you Never Heard in your Life hope this helps. again, sorry if this is too long, martin dupuis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: Re: zappa Date: 14 Dec 2000 20:26:58 +0000 now why am i not surprised to find a lot of zappa fans here? ;) and it can't just be alliterative coincidence of ploughing the same section of record racks. here's my opinion, fwiw: like zorn, zappa was a talented musician, who enjoyed working across a number of popular and unpopular genres, across a vast number of albums and with a vast number of legendary groups (though personally dominating the groups far more than zorn). unlike zorn, the results weren't always that good. in much of zappa's latter work, the "humour" leads several whole albums astray. zappa knew this was a tricky area, constantly questioning whether "humour belongs in music", though he always tried. the satirical bite of the late-60s was perhaps his richest lyrical/conceptual seam, and after the great disco/punk schism, he struggled (as did many late-60s "counterculture" figures - perhaps as the stereotypes became more fluid/less tangible and culture fragmented into heterogeneous niches? - discuss. or not.) leaving humour aside as it's *such* a subjective area, i second many of the opinions expressed here. though i find it odd, given this list's instrumental orientation, that no-one has mentioned the great guitar-based collections - "shut up and play yer guitar" or "guitar". these are utterly phenomenal works, for me anyway. zappa's playing style is truly unique - a rare thing when 'everyone plays guitar'. a peculiar extremely personal synthesis of johnny guitar watson and mixolydian modes, astonishing feedback control, fucking the sound by mounting pickups in the neck, playing 'inside' and 'outside' seemingly effortlessly, furious 'sheets of sound' by either playing ludicrously fast or employing phenomenal guitar tone ... they're great records. but (there's often a "but" with zappa), your mileage may vary, depending on your endurance settings for sitting through hours of extravagant guitar solos, or the often 'ironic' backings employed by FZ's crack troops (cod-reggae, cod-funk, cod-war ...). other things that standout are the great early 70s jazz-rock albums, "hot rats" and "burnt weeny sandwich". much of these stand up to examination in the cold light of the year 2000's days. "hot rats" in particular for its beefheart/wah-wah/backbeat smorgasbord title track, and specifically for side two's "the gumbo variations" - a great sprawling multi-vehicle pile-up of a funk jam featuring ian underwood's sax and the late great don sugarcane harris on incendiary electric violin (much more soulful than jean-luc ponty who zappa often used in the same role). "burnt weeny sandwich" especially for side two's 18-minute epic "the little house i used to live in", featuring beautifully oblique piano from don preston, sugarcane again, and phenomenally driven drumming by sometime tim buckley sidekick art tripp. the "you can't do that on stage anymore" series, as others have suggested, is both a good introduction, and some of the highlights of zappa's vast back catalogue. number two, "the helsinki concert" in particular, especially to hear george duke at his best. perhaps some of the finest moog playing ever?!?? "roxy and elsewhere" is from this same period/band (ish). and is also extremely good jazz-influenced rock. an earthy, mucky kind of fusion really. closer to tony williams lifetime than to return to forever, perhaps. but with jokes. and with a bigger band. they often manage to be messily abrasive and super tight at the same time. last year's rykodisc roundup of some rarities ("mystery disk") is worth listening to as well, to hear some tape experiments, and the occasionally brilliant but often variable late60s mothers of invention band at their sharpest. have a listen - i reviewed it for motion here [ http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/177.html ] i can also recommend much of "the yellow shark" for an intro to his "classical" composition. i was listening to this yesterday, bizarrely, and much of it is brilliant (the ensemble moderne, with a couple of exceptions perform zappa's extremely complex, varese and nancarrow influenced music to their much-vaunted high standards). a couple of irksome points - the crowd is much too much in evidence. and the narration of the two vocal pieces towards the end suffer from poor voicing, but on the whole, it's top. anyway, i'd putting a pin anywhere in the 1968-1975 era will perhaps garner the best results. outside of that, you're heading heavily into a pastiche-driven land of dodgy in-jokes, indulgent displays of virtuosity, and hit 'n' miss composition. [ ian penman wrote a mercilessly brilliant destruction of *this* zappa, which had me wincing in recogition (available in his collection of journalism published by serpent's tail). however, much of zappa is dear to me in the way that childhood sweethearts often are. an irrational desire, almost unconditional, which is extremely forgiving. perhaps we all have these skeletons in our closet (i know of a couple of people not a million miles away from this email, for whom yes and todd rundgren play this role). in an extremely confessional mode, i heard the opening bars of springsteen's "thunder road" on the radio this morning, and my heart skipped. weird. i'll do a million hail mary's, listen to francisco lopez, masada, john cage, burnt friedman, and anti-pop consortium in quick succession until the quirks of my soul are expunged. promise. ] anyway, i'm writing in the light of my self-conscious zappa-fandom, and trying to highlight a couple of things others haven't. they're in a far more objective position to comment usefully, hope this helps, though! cheers, dan. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [14.12.2000]: |||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound | fingathing | dan senn |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: zappa Date: 14 Dec 2000 16:12:35 -0500 dan hill wrote: > ian penman wrote a mercilessly brilliant destruction of *this* > zappa, which had me wincing in recogition (available in his > collection of journalism published by serpent's tail). This was, in fact, the very essay that made me rub my eyes, scratch my head, do some soul searching, and then sell my entire collection of some 40-plus Zappa releases. I've never had any urge whatsoever to look back, and when I purged, I didn't draw any distinction between "good" and "bad" Zappa. I simply found that he didn't have a place in my life anymore, though he was certainly important enough at some point for me to have acquired such a collection. But as Dan points out, music is a subjective thing and many will be more forgiving. I know I'm on record on this list as having said much the same before, and I don't bring it up to dissuade anyone from investigating. Rather, I received some inquiries last time around regarding this topic, and I couldn't put my finger on the essay. Since then I've learned that it's available online at http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/1097_5.htm > perhaps we all have these skeletons in our closet (i know > of a couple of people not a million miles away from this email, for > whom yes and todd rundgren play this role). I'm certainly on record as being a fan of Robert Fripp and King Crimson more forgiving than most. I also love the Bangles and my favorite recent pop album is 'Donde Estan los Ladrones' by Shakira. No one needs more proof of my personal dork quota. For the Zappa neo-phyte, I'll only add the following advice to the slew of truly excellent and accurate suggestions the list has already generated: avoid 'Thingfish' like the plague, and make sure that somehow, at some point, you get to hear the exquisite instrumental "A Watermelon in Easter Hay," from the otherwise juvenile-in-extremis 'Joe's Garage.' (I don't need to own those discs to play that gorgeous guitar solo in my head whenever I want to...). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Saft/Vu, "Little Vina," 'Ragged Jack' (Avant) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Question on Audio Sports Date: 14 Dec 2000 16:29:39 EST --part1_7b.d9054a6.276a95c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know where recordings of Audio Sports can be found? Perhaps what label released their stuff? etc.. from, matt --part1_7b.d9054a6.276a95c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know where recordings of Audio Sports can be found? Perhaps what
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matt --part1_7b.d9054a6.276a95c3_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: zappa Date: 14 Dec 2000 17:31:42 -0500 dan hill wrote: > other things that standout are the great early 70s jazz-rock albums, > "hot rats" and "burnt weeny sandwich". Agreed with Dan and his fine analysis on these two. I still find myself only able to enjoy the early Zappa, up to about 1971, after which the slickness of the musicians he used, the puerileness of his lyrics and the generally sterile souding output leave me cold. Two things: 1) I no longer have a copy, but among the people cited in the original 'Freak Out' album, wasn't Cecil Taylor one of them? Pretty impressive name-check for a supposed rocker in 1966. 2) 'Lumpy Gravy', another fine album, seems like an obvious antecedant to Zorn's collage work of the 80's, but I've never read or him giving credit Zappa's way. Have I missed something? Brian Olewnick NP: Keiji Haino - A Challenge to Fate - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Re:Blind Willie -infirmities of blues singers Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:39:56 +0100 ----- .> On a related matter what's this I hear about a new > conductor, Sordo Mellone E. Prosciutto, taking over > the arrangements and musical direction of the Italian > Instabile? he might be just the right person!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Frank Zappa (Mike Keneally) Date: 14 Dec 2000 18:18:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C065FA.42325C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to take this Frank Zappa discussion as an opportunity to = shamelessly promote, Mike Keneally, one of my favorite musicians. Mike = Keneally played guitar and keyboards for Frank Zappa in the late = eighties, and after Zappa's death, he released a handful of stellar = albums, which can be purchased at www.keneally.com i would suggest "Sluggo!" or "Dancing" as starting points, and i do = encourage all of you to check out the site, and perhaps even download a = couple tracks from Napster. If you like Zappa, you'll love Mike = Keneally, and if you don't like Zappa, you'll still love Mike Keneally. = Keneally CD's also make great holiday gifts, so give the gift of = Keneally this holiday season!!! Seriously, you will love his music, so = please give him a listen. thanks David ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C065FA.42325C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am going to take this Frank Zappa = discussion as=20 an opportunity to shamelessly promote, Mike Keneally, one of my favorite = musicians.  Mike Keneally played guitar and keyboards for Frank = Zappa in=20 the late eighties, and after Zappa's death, he released a handful of = stellar=20 albums, which can be purchased at www.keneally.com
i would suggest "Sluggo!" or "Dancing" = as starting=20 points, and i do encourage all of you to check out the site, and perhaps = even=20 download a couple tracks from Napster.   If you like Zappa, = you'll=20 love Mike Keneally, and if you don't like Zappa, you'll still love Mike=20 Keneally.   Keneally CD's also make great holiday gifts, so = give the=20 gift of Keneally this holiday season!!!   Seriously, you will = love his=20 music, so please give him a listen.  thanks
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C065FA.42325C80-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: sam rivers, tim berne, bobby previte Date: 14 Dec 2000 19:32:45 -0400 Oops - sent this before but forgot to put a title! Hello everyone - I've got a number of albums by the great horn player Sam Rivers that I really REALLY enjoy (in particular Waves/ and Dimensions and Extensions). I just saw an album by him called Configuration from 1998 on Pelican Records (with NOel Akchote and some other players I didn't know) that I've never even heard of. Has anyone heard this that can give me the scoop if it's worth shelling out some bucks for it??? Also, I know last time I talked to him (about a year ago) that Tim Berne had indicated that he was going to concentrate more on his playing rather than on putting out albums - But does anyone know when he will actually be releasing something new - there's word of a double album from his time in Europe with a larger group being released, but what ever happened to the follow up Big Satan album???? Furthermore, does anyone have any idea when Bobby Previte is going to release a new album under his own name??? Thanks, mike NP George Russell - The Jazz Workshop. (EXCELLENT ALBUM!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: sam rivers, not tim berne, not bobby previte Date: 14 Dec 2000 19:01:37 -0500 on 12/14/00 6:32 PM, mwoodwor at mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca wrote: > I've got a number of albums by the great horn player Sam Rivers that I really > REALLY enjoy (in particular Waves/ and Dimensions and Extensions). I just saw > an album by him called Configuration from 1998 on Pelican Records (with NOel > Akchote and some other players I didn't know) that I've never even heard of. > Has anyone heard this that can give me the scoop if it's worth shelling out > some bucks for it??? Here's the session info: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/RIVERS.disc.html#96.03.21 Another wild and beautiful offering from Jean Rochard's NATO label. I'm listening to it now, thanks for reminding me. As far as shelling out bucks for it, yes it's worth having, certainly. What else you have besides the ones above? Okay, Rick Lopez ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: zappa Date: 14 Dec 2000 20:14:59 EST 3 things: 1. The drummer on 'Freak Out' is named Jim Black. 2. I only have 10 Zappa albums, but my favorites are 'Burnt Weeny Sandwich' and 'Hot Rats,' both mostly instrumental. 3. Ex-Mother/current Grandmother pianist Don Preston plays around Los Angeles a lot. Preston's website is here: http://www.jps.net/dwpreston/ I've seen Preston's piano trio and have seen him play with Bobby Bradford's Mo'tet. His next show at Rocco will feature another Grandmother, Bunk Gardener. Here's the listing: ***Tuesday December 19, 9pm*** DON PRESTON TRIO with Putter Smith - bass Alex Cline - drums Don Preston - piano & electronics plus special guest saxophonist Bunk Gardener Tonight's program will feature original Preston compositions as well as some Zappa material. (Don & Bunk were both members of "The Mothers of Invention", and just completed a 3-month tour with "The Grandmothers") [http://www.roccoinla.com/entert.html] jeff caltabiano n.p. bob dylan: hard rain - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: zappa Date: 14 Dec 2000 20:40:50 -0500 Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote: > 1. The drummer on 'Freak Out' is named Jim Black. Now, now. Let's not confuse anyone. That's Jimmy Carl Black, "the Indian of the group." Don't want anyone to confuse him with "Downtown" Jim Black, the babyface of many other groups... > 3. Ex-Mother/current Grandmother pianist Don Preston plays around Los Angeles > a lot. Preston's website is here: http://www.jps.net/dwpreston/ > I've seen Preston's piano trio and have seen him play with Bobby Bradford's > Mo'tet. Preston's consistently impressive on the three discs from John Carter's "Roots and Folklore" series on which he appears, 'Dance of the Love Ghosts,' 'Fields,' and 'Shadows on a Wall.' (So is Bradford, for that matter.) You're lucky if you get to see him with the monstrous Alex Cline. Didn't know the Grandmothers were still active... Don't know Rocco, but wasn't Preston a regular for a while at Lumpy Gravy, an L.A. club run by Gabor Tsupo, the animator who does the Rugrats, Duckman and Real Monsters cartoons and runs the Tone Casualties label? Now there's a bit of arcane knowledge for the next time you're stuck in one of those silly "Six Degrees of..." conversations... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Cuong Vu, "Vina, All Grown Up," 'Pure' (Knitting Factory) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sergio luque" Subject: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 14 Dec 2000 19:55:39 -0600 "Steve Smith" wrote > This was, in fact, the very essay that made me rub my eyes, scratch my > head, do some soul searching, and then sell my entire collection of some > 40-plus Zappa releases > http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/1097_5.htm i've just read the article and i recommend you to read it, it is amazing!: hatred all over the place, if i'd studied psychology :-( i honestly think that this article is poorly done, and it seems clear to me that mr. penman can't write professionally about zappa. he knows about the stuff, for sure, but this is one of the most BIASED pieces of jounalism that i've ever seen. it is ridiculous. perhaps this is what happens when one makes a lot of offensive jokes ;-) now some pearls of wisdom: mr. penmam: "I cannot see why anyone past the age of 17 would want to listen to Frank Zappa again" me: yes! condemn the whole career and EFFORTS (yes, it was difficult) of a musician with one phrase. and if someone don't agree with you it is because she/he has a teenage mind?, how smart and clear! mr. penman: "[zappa] Not being someone whose genius was innately, genetically wild and crazy (no Beefheart, Iggy or Reed/Cale he), but who still wanted to be somehow, someway centre stage all the same (and all the time), he cast around" me: no comments. just LOL! mr. penman: "[snip]. Just like Frank did for most of his life. Instead of having to come out and face the difficult adult world of belief, lust, dirt, pain, you can instead strike ironic poses about belief, lust, dirt, pain; you can string ironic distancing effects like so many fairy lights, finally, around everything you do. Even unto your own aspirations." me: yes!, it was the work of satan, the horned one, king crimson. and the same can be said of a lot of artist for teenagers like bukowski, cioran, burroughs. ;-) mr. penmam: "the Berlioz/Varèse beat" me: do you mean 'boulez/varèse beat' mr. penman?, yes, i know those french names... mr. penman: "but tell me this: if you were stuck on the proverbial desert island, which disc(s) would you rather have - one solitary song by Brian Wilson or the entire Zappa back catalogue?" me: mmm... thanks for the question mr. penman, i would rather have the entire zappa back catalogue, you know, it has A HUGE LOT of music that i deeply enjoy, and some jokes that make me laugh every time i hear them. mr. penman: "and that any real mind-scrambling interface with music-as-techne or techne-as-music was quite beyond his scope" me: the synclavier was user friendly! if one were to read the article without knowing zappa's music, one would have never imagined that he has a lot of music that is enjoyed by a lot of people, not only the caricature zappaholics that penman portrayed, for long periods of time: i still love _we are only in it for the money_ , "help i'm a rock" and "brown shoes don't make it". "Steve Smith" wrote: > This was, in fact, the very essay that made me rub my eyes, scratch my > head, do some soul searching, and then sell my entire collection of some > 40-plus Zappa releases i started reading such supposedly mindboggling article with interest, expecting a smart critique, now i am really dissapointed. __________________________________________________________________________ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.mx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 14 Dec 2000 21:06:17 EST In a message dated 12/14/0 5:57:08 PM, sergio@tomate.com.mx wrote: <> I love Brian Wilson (to the point of having transcribed and performed a bunch of his stuff), but there's too often the promise that was never quite delivered on. With Frank, there are several phases of unlistenable material, but, in terms of how much good stuff there was and over how many periods of time, Mr Zappa is clearly in better shape. Ergo -- questions like ths suck, because I am not now nor ever chossing one over the other. Neither does the other's job. skip heller NP: Trio Los Panchos Con Eydie Gorme: Navidad Means Christmas (before you laugh, know that Eydie is a whole other story when heard with the Panchos) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Basketball and such Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:11:28 -0500 List members, Anyone out there basketball fans. Given that basketball requires improvisation, orchestral arrangements and time sustainment, I thought I would draw some congruities between current/past jazz and NBA players. So here goes: Michael Jordon/Fred Hopkins - both superstars who made everyone around them better Allen Iverson/Tony Williams - sense of rhythm unquestionable Shack O'Neil/Bill Laswell - both love to work on the baseline Henry Threadgill/Oscar Robertson - Simply the best all around talent Peter Brotzman/Hakim Olajuwan - Omnipresent forces of nature Any others, Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Teichman Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 14 Dec 2000 23:10:48 -0500 Yeah, the article seems pretty symptomatic of rock journalism, which puts the emphasis simply on having as strong an opinion as possible rather than actually making an argument. I too find it hard to believe that something this empty and polemical would convert a Zappa fan. It would be interesting to read a more carefully fleshed-out critique of Zappa's work, however, and I wonder if there are any out there... >> i've just read the article and i recommend you to read it, it is amazing!: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Basketball and such Date: 14 Dec 2000 23:16:32 -0500 Pretty cute idea, Paul... > Michael Jordon/Fred Hopkins - both superstars who made everyone around them > better I've got some sympathy for that view but maybe I'd liken Hopkins to Karl Malone for the reason you state. Jordan had that, but he also had the ability to pull a sagging team onto his shoulders and win a game all by himself. For that role you need someone not afraid to be more demonstrative and even occasionally showboat - a rock solid player who can also somehow salvage a sagging gig. For me, Bobby Previte would fit the bill... > Allen Iverson/Tony Williams - sense of rhythm unquestionable Works for me. On the other hand, Williams was rock solid and consistent from the very beginning while Iverson took some time to mature and season. How about Tim Duncan? > Shack O'Neil/Bill Laswell - both love to work on the baseline Also, both are huge, lumbering, and overpaid. But they can sure pick up a game when they're on. ;-) > Peter Brotzman/Hakim Olajuwan - Omnipresent forces of nature Where Hakeem's concerned, maybe once upon a time, but not in the last couple of seasons. Of course, Brotz isn't as strong as he used to be, either. > Any others Wow, this is going to take some thinking... but anyway, thanks for the distraction after the heavy shit in the Zappa thread... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ahnuld the Schwartz in 'Total Recall' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: 'Bad Hawkwind' (the 18 minute track on Nani Nani) Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:37:12 +1100 I asked this at the time of the original discussion, don't think anyone ever replied... What is actually happening on this track, anyway? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Basketball and such Date: 14 Dec 2000 23:43:57 EST In a message dated 12/14/00 10:09:35 PM, toulab@msn.com writes: << Michael Jordon/Fred Hopkins - both superstars who made everyone around them better >> well, I'm a huge hoops fan, and I'm not going to pursue this topic too much because a large part of it seems to rely on taste when it comes to the musician side of it. the one thing I will say is that Jordan should be Coltrane. (Fred Hopkins? Bobby Previte? this was the best basketball player ever, even if he couldn't hit a curveball.) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sergio luque" Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:57:32 -0600 hello steve: thanks for your comments, i just want to clarify some of MY points (i do not pretend to convince you): > that just as Penman brought an anti-Zappa bias to his essay, so too did you > bring a pro-Zappa bias. of course. but my subjective problem with the article is that for me it was EXTREMELY biased, as in 'too much'. biased to a point of being not that useful and, at some parts, ridiculous. i wouldn't like neither an extremely pro-zappa biased essay, really. > But you shouldn't confuse a "smart critique" - which, even if it sometimes > overreaches and paints Zappa with too black and personally pointed a brush, > this largely is - with a "favorable" critique. come on!, i'm not that dumb :-) i was "expecting a smart critique", and within the context of "This was, in fact, the very essay that made me rub my eyes", i was expecting, and wanting, an interesting well argumented negative essay, and for me this is a bad done work, not because it is negative, because it is bad and shallow, and makes me wonder if he had an agenda to fulfill or something. as matt teichman put it: "It would be interesting to read a more carefully fleshed-out critique of Zappa's work" > mr. penman: "but tell me this: if you were stuck on the proverbial desert > island, which disc(s) would you rather have - one solitary song by Brian > Wilson or the entire Zappa back catalogue? many people would prefer the "solitary song" and that is great but, for me, to say this whithin an essay about zappa is a pedantry. regards, ______________________________________________________________________ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.mx the conlon nancarrow web pages www.tomate.com.mx/nancarrow - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Basketball and such Date: 14 Dec 2000 23:59:17 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > well, I'm a huge hoops fan, and I'm not going to pursue this topic too much > because a large part of it seems to rely on taste when it comes to the > musician side of it. the one thing I will say is that Jordan should be > Coltrane. (Fred Hopkins? Bobby Previte? this was the best basketball player > ever, even if he couldn't hit a curveball.) The man has a point. But given that it's perhaps possible to have a "best basketball player ever" thanks to things like scores and stats (which is not to downplay the grace and artistry he brought to the game) and it's absolutely NOT possible to have a "best jazz player ever" - and anyone who thinks it is is a fool - what I was really trying to do was find a performer who did certain things in ways somewhat analogous to what Jordan did with his team on the court. And truth to tell, most nights Previte makes me feel exactly as good as Jordan did... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ahnuld the Schwartz, 'Total Recall' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: zappa and rodman Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:21:35 -0800 would it be grammatical to say that zappa had an ersatz philospophy? i followed his music acutely until the late 1970s, at which time i walked away. but i've periodically come back. so. now i'll offer this opinion, that his guitar work on apostrophe and overnight sensation -- those albums "strictly from commercial" with plenty of sophmoric lyrics -- is brilliant. and not really for the notes, the premeditated aesthetic so much as for the soulful electric roar, the seductive sensuality. i've been listening lately to the recently released box "the jimi hendrix experience" (skip the first disc and melt straight into the rest), and it strikes me that zappa's '70s guitar work comes close to the same vibe in a way that i imagine i might have been able to articulate three beers ago.... and steve smith, let me thank YOU, for the $100 i dropped at cybermusicsurplus after you mentioned they were having a $6 sale on black saint. i hope my mother, who asked me to track down an impossible-to-find OOP 100 aspects of the moon by yoshitoshi, will enjoy the copy of roscoe live at the knitting factory instead for xmas. martin n.p. monk, complete riverside recordings, disc 6 "sweet and lovely" w/ gerry mulligan. do yall play these games driving home from work, like who are my favorite musicians to enjoy? hendrix, miles, monk and bird. call me old fashioned. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 01:33:40 EST It would seem to me that, if a critic is going to do an essay that purports to be in depth, you should care deeply for the work about which you're writing, and should have some kind of high regard for the work in question (the better to make your points about which are the highs, which are the lows). Zappa has probably ruffled more feathers than just about any musician we can name, and on more levels. I think I'd have enjoyed eating dinner with the guy. Ian Penman, on the other hand, sounds (reads) like a dork to me. And some of the stuff I've read today on the list got up in my craw as well. When I read a comment like "after reading this essay, I sold my collection of 40+ Zappa albums", I have to wonder about why somebody bought those albums in the first place. And when I read a comment to the effect "I probably needed his music when I was seventeen, but now I'm past that", I find it even more objectionable. Frank had his low periods just as anybody else has had when the make a ton of records over years. And, believe me, I'll jump over ten "Titties And Beer"'s to get next to thirty seconds of a "REDNZL". What made me laugh in jr high doesn't work so well anymore. On the other hand, the musical imagination, depth of craft, and personal vision that governs the best parts of FZ's work -- and there are certainly a great many such moments -- has earned him a great deal of respect, and to dismiss the stuff outright is kind of crass. How does one outgrow challenging music? Maybe if you can write something as interesting as "Inca Roads", you could dismiss it. But I doubt that you would, because you'd know it's not easy to think up music like that, and it's tougher still to get your group to be able to execute it. Can you transcribe "Inca Roads"? Can you deal with the times signature stuff hands-on? It's unwise to dismiss stuff you can't do. Not liking something is one thing, but dismissal is another. But Zappa is a great target, because the way he has been painted as a musician and as a thinker is unfriendly to a lot of people who hold their favorite stuff as the True Grail Of Musical Progressivism. Frank knew how to call a lot of shjots as he saw them, and he was correct in stating that the avant-garde had spawned as much trend-spotting, bandwagonism, and bad music as any other musical world. He was right about the troubles of being a composer, as well. Those of us who have enjoyed the thrill of a "respected" contemporary music ensemble mutilating our compositions will tell you Frank was on the money about that stuff. Those of us who have signed record deals and spent time in the offices of a record company will tell you Frank was right about that stuff, too. And those of us who have had to deal with forming our own ensembles and getting our music played accurately will tell you Frank was right about that, too. He tilted at all those windmills, did it with a fantastic sense of humor, and made some really incredible music in the process. Flo & Eddie, "Dinah Moe Humm", and a few dozen compositions that made for low comedy and little else won't erase his enormous contribution, nor negate the fact that his artistic batting average was high, even miraculous, given the huge amount of work he squeezed out. I'm thirty-five and don't feel like I've outgrown Zappa, Tower Of Power, Uri Caine's quartet with Joel Levine, the Minutemen, Bill Evans, or any of the other stuff that got my rocks off when I was seventeen. And there's probably no essay ever to be written by a critic that will make me think I was wrong for loving any music I love. as ever -- skip h NP: Kool & the Gang, GIVE IT UP - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: escalator video Date: 15 Dec 2000 02:54:23 EST In a message dated 12/14/00 4:33:12 PM, you wrote: Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > just saw the video of the making of carla bley's 'escalator over the hill' > by stephen gebhardt; moving, stunning, and made me feel old in a good way. > the sound and film are astoundingly clear. highly recommended. Ooh... Is this available?>> hi joseph & crew, the distribution is just now being set up, but you can buy direct from the filmmaker, which is always a good idea. his email is: stevegebhardt@yahoo.com and i believe the price is approx 30 plus shipping. enjoy ! steve koenig n.p. in my head: that wonderful dissonance at the end of "der rosenkavalier"; i just got back from the met opera. horrible conductor played it as if it were a tchaikowsky symphony, but the singers were great. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 03:01:00 -0500 Round Two: sergio luque wrote: > my subjective problem with the article is that for me it was > EXTREMELY biased, as in 'too much'. biased to a point of being not that > useful and, at some parts, ridiculous. i wouldn't like neither an extremely > pro-zappa biased essay, really. Yeah, Penman sunk his fangs into Zappa and shook his head like a dog with an old sock. But that's what the magazine wanted, I'd expect, or else they'd have given those discs to another writer. And Penman saw a chance to say everything he ever wanted to say about Zappa. But Penman said it in print, which seems to give it more gravity in the "real world" than if he were to say it on a mailing list, where all are equal and you could all read his opinion and call him a fuckhead moments later, as if it were a conversation. Criticism in print doesn't work like that. When you are still in a learning stage and you see something in print, I think it instinctively has a greater ring of verisimiltude than if you were older and wiser and more secure in your own opinions. Some of the best criticism in my experience is "extremely" biased. One of the most moving moments in all of the music criticism I've read - in fact, one of the handful of pieces that made me sit up and say "hey, I'd like to DO this someday" - was a piece in which Gary Giddins stated that hearing Louis Armstrong and Earl Hines playing "Weather Bird" was as important a musical experience as - and an *equal* experience to - hearing Bach's B minor Mass. And then in the same column he went on to describe, more lucidly than I'd ever read pretty much anywhere, the inner workings of a certain Cecil Taylor piece, and then equate it with both preceding examples. Now if that's not exteme bias (as in "too much," were you to ask fans of Bach and Armstrong both), I don't know what is. But here on the Zornlist, since all of the above resonates with we outside music fans, the above won't sound like an extreme opinion at all. It resonates with what we know to be "our" music's grounding in the tradition(s), and moreover, it's positive. (Bear with me, I really am going somewhere with this...) On the other hand, when someone attacks one of our sacred cows, we tend to respond with bristling and a circling of the wagons. I felt it when Zorn was attacked in the New York Times last year. In that case, the attack was clearly unsupported by any evidence, musical or otherwise. You clearly feel the same way about Penman's Zappa essay. Therefore, I'm all for the healthy debate that this has engendered. These examples aside, most music criticism is too wishy-washy to inspire any kind of real reaction, pro or con, and that includes my own writings in the "real world." That's why I like to see a good scrap here on occasion. I've simply seldom been a part of one before... ;-) > come on!, i'm not that dumb :-) I never for one moment meant to imply that you were. And judging from your "smiley" emoticon, I hope and assume that you understood this. > i was "expecting a smart critique", and within the context of "This was, in > fact, the very essay that made me rub my eyes", i was expecting, and > wanting, an interesting well argumented negative essay, and for me this is > a bad done work, not because it is negative, because it is bad and shallow, > and makes me wonder if he had an agenda to fulfill or something. I think I understand what you're saying, and again, maybe my own subjective experience in re: Zappa made me ascribe to this column more importance than it actually had to the rest of the world. I think I admitted as much in my second post. It was the essay that made ME rub my eyes and gave me the courage of my building convictions, but I don't mean to demand that YOU rub your eyes as well. But personally, having read the Penman essay again and again and again during the exchange of e-mails that have appeared since Dan first drew attention to it and I chimed in with my personal recollection, I continue to find it for the most part a well-argued if nasty-spirited criticism. Penman asserts his premise at the very beginning, and supports it paragraph by paragraph. *Of course* he had an agenda. Every professional music critic has an agenda or he/she would not be a professional music critic. The agenda is in general to bring the music to the attention of the masses, but in specific it's to bring "my" vision of the music to the masses. Why else would one write about music instead of earning a respectable living? > as matt teichman put it: > > "It would be interesting to read a more carefully fleshed-out critique of > Zappa's work" I'd been planning to respond directly to Matt's post earlier, but your post arrived shortly thereafter and contained the seed of my counterpoint, and so, I'll respond to both here. In what way could Penman's essay have been a "more carefully fleshed-out critique of Zappa's work"? If he had actually completed the "monumental, work-by-work deconstruction of the Zappa canon" that he threatened in paragraph six, would that have made the difference? Would it have been necessary to go tit-for-tat, as it were, with his opinion of every song's musical and sociological value in order to prove the broader philosophical and sociological points he was trying to convey? Yes, his opinions are *absolutely* (and presumably intentionally) bound to draw the ire and repudiation of Zappaphiles, but if you really look deeply at the personality-based problems he raises, can you truly offer a sound repudiation of any of it purely in terms of musical analysis? > many people would prefer the "solitary song" and that is great but, for me, > to say this whithin an essay about zappa is a pedantry. Most people, judging from personal instinct as well as the "Desert Island Discs" lists that appear in every issue of Tower's Pulse magazine, would rather not be stuck on a desert island with one song when they could have a collection. And if I were going to be stuck on a desert island, I'd rather have my copies of 'Larks' Tongues in Aspic,' 'Desire Develops an Edge,' 'A Love Supreme,' 'The First of a Million Kisses' and Beethoven and Mahler's 9ths along with me rather than pretty much anything else. (Maybe I'd also long for 'Abbey Road' to remind me of the normal civilization I'd left behind...) But then, most people would rather not be stuck on a desert island, period, and only music critics posit such challenges, anyway. ;-) Let me posit the following as a parting shot, since it's getting way too late to think critically. I disagreed with the Times attack on Zorn since it wasn't supported in musical terms. You seem to disagree with the Penman attack on Zappa for the same reasons. But here's one crucial difference that can go a long way towards coloring your perception of a fellow human being and his/her perceptions: one of the above works with words and one doesn't. To what extent might this make a difference? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Electric Light Orchestra, "Mr. Blue Sky," 'Flashback' (Columbia/Legacy box set) - and gawwwwddd am I mellow and happy now... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeroen de Boer" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa (Mike Keneally) Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:58:53 GMT+0100 Hmmm, I was thinking of including Keneally into the discussion.. In fact I brought his latest release, _Dance_, to work today and am listening to it now. I only have the album for a couple of days now, and I'm not sure what to think of it. My favourite Keneally-realease is _Boil That Dust Speck_. On this album imo he has the best combination of excellent songwriting, musical (read jazzrock) skills and a lot of Zappa. Both _Sluggo_ and _Dance_ are more on the poppy side, although some songs contain unimaginable instrumental parts, altough this factor seems to decrease on _Dance_. But in the end I keep buying his albums, because he suprprises me time and time again. Jeroen ps. He's an increasingly good producer also.. > I am going to take this Frank Zappa discussion as an opportunity to > shamelessly promote, Mike Keneally, one of my favorite musicians. > Mike Keneally played guitar and keyboards for Frank Zappa in the late > eighties, and after Zappa's death, he released a handful of stellar > albums, which can be purchased at www.keneally.com i would suggest > "Sluggo!" or "Dancing" as starting points, and i do encourage all of > you to check out the site, and perhaps even download a couple tracks > from Napster. If you like Zappa, you'll love Mike Keneally, and if > you don't like Zappa, you'll still love Mike Keneally. Keneally CD's > also make great holiday gifts, so give the gift of Keneally this > holiday season!!! Seriously, you will love his music, so please give > him a listen. thanks > > David > Jeroen de Boer music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209 gsm: +31 (0)624814506 usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl http://www.cyberslag.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis Subject: Han+Misha live Date: 15 Dec 2000 11:22:11 +0100 (MET) Hi It has been argued before, but since I saw Han+Misha last night at the BIMhuis I would like to report that Han is still able to surprise with a few new (to me at least) tricks, such as covering himself with a huge paper bag and using it both as a "blind" and as a sound source. Misha Mengelberg was also stunning, grand master, very smart interplay, especially when he was letting Han go crazy and would react with a dissonant key stroke now and then... The second set was simply amazing, with more "standard" melodies thrown in now and then, including some from "tante Thelonia's songbook" as Misha announced. Really amazing concert, great dancing by Misha, with a double reprise (somewhat rare at the often snobbish BIMhuis). My only complain is that Dave Douglas was not there as was initially announced... greetings, manolis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: PROMO: Electro Acoustic Date: 15 Dec 2000 05:25:18 EST Experimental Intermedia and Erstwhile Records are proud to present: Sunday, December 17, 3-11 PM ELECTRO ACOUSTIC A listening experience comprised of carefully selected pieces from all=20 corners of the globe, both current and historical, and programmed=20 specifically to take full advantage of the superb EI audio system.=20 Playlist (actual running order): Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann-Sans Soleil Pierre Henry-Mouvement Rythme Etude (excerpt) Erik M.-Frame =C5ke Hodell-Cerberus the Hellhound Iannis Xenakis-La L=E9gende d'Eer I-Sound-Folded Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/Drumm-Nickelsdorf 2 Intersystems-2 untitled tracks from Free Psychedelic Poster Inside Gottfried Michael Koenig-Terminus II Zbigniew Karkowski-IT Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow-unissued John Wall-Construction IV Christian Fennesz-Il Libro Mio G=FCnter M=FCller/L=EA Quan Ninh-la voyelle e Bernard Fort-Fractal V Harry Bertoia-Continuum Karlheinz Stockhausen-Telemusik Toshimaru Nakamura/Sachiko M.-Do Henri Chopin-Pluralit=E9 1.1.1.1. Radian-I/E Andrea Neumann/Annette Krebs-Rotophorm 3 Otomo Yoshihide/Voice Crack-3 unissued tracks Werner Dafeldecker/Boris Hegenbart-unissued Kevin Drumm/RLW-unissued Dick Raaijmakers-Ballade Erik=F6nig voor Luidsprekers Robert Ashley-Automatic Writing Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler-temp/close the public premiere of the Nakamura/Sachiko piece will begin at approximatel= y=20 8 PM. curated by Jon Abbey of Erstwhile Records and Michael Goodstein of WFMU=20 Experimental Intermedia, 224 Centre St., 3rd floor, NYC.=20 admission is $4.99. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: the wire article (was: Re: now some pearls ... (zappa)) Date: 15 Dec 2000 11:26:30 +0100 sergio luque wrote: > "Steve Smith" wrote > > This was, in fact, the very essay that made me rub my eyes, scratch my > > head, do some soul searching, and then sell my entire collection of some > > 40-plus Zappa releases > > http://www.thewire.co.uk/out/1097_5.htm > the article is just so plain fucking boring... it hurts. i didn't even manage to read through to the end. why does one become a music critic? the saying goes that those are the people who failed at being musicians... might be some truth to it!?!? let me add that i have long ago passed the point where i would be offended by someone saying insulting things about zappa. patRice np: masada, live in sevilla nr: eimi yamada, trash - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: the wire article (was: Re: now some pearls ... (zappa)) Date: 15 Dec 2000 06:57:00 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- > why does one become a music critic? the saying goes that those are the people > who failed at being musicians... might be some truth to it!?!? Oh, come on, that's awfully reductionist. Isn't that what musicians say when their records get panned? Sure there are plenty of "critics" of dubious cultural value who do little to actually be "critical" in the intellectual sense, but what with the huge amount of records coming out now, many of them quite good, the average consumer certainly needs some sort of help filtering it all, and I think critics most definitely serve a useful function in that respect. Growing up, various journalism and magazines, some of which I certainly have no use for now, really helped point me in the direction of interesting music. And that's just talking about record reviews and the like, not to mention interviews/features, which can often help provide more insight into an artist's work, and may even be considered part of said work. Come on, plenty of people on this list covet Zorn-related media, and where else are you going to get your questions about his being married or not answered? -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: Re: the wire article (was: Re: now some pearls ... (zappa)) Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:47:35 +0000 hi all ah i love this ... i drop an ill-considered reference into an email at about 20:30 london time, and return the next morning to discover a slew of (fascinating) replies back and forth! to be honest, i can see both sides of the argument, having been in both "the near-unconditional love for zappa" mode, and then the "i barely listen to him anymore, and even then it's only a few albums"-mode. but i feel i should at least deal with some of the consequences of bringing it up in the first place, even though i back the list's tactic of bringing up basketball to deflect the issue (i've always wanted to do that with football (soccer), incidentally: eric cantona as miles davis anyone?). discussing the penman article is always going to be a contested terrain, which was more or less guaranteed to get people's backs up. i guess was much of his original intention. he's a rock critic writing about a rock musician (and many of us will be able to mentally finish the zappa quote there). and it's (vaguely) interesting that many of the zappaphiles who hated this essay have misquoted his opening line as "why anyone past the age of 17 would want to listen to Frank Zappa again", when, significantly i think, it starts "For the pop life of me ..." ... that's *pop* life of me ... and his line about brian wilson positions the whole thing neatly. that's where he's coming from, whether you like it or not. i'm not denigrating that position either, just to make myself clear. i don't have a problem with this kind of criticism or writing in general. popular culture is serious business, and deserves serious debate. zappa clearly did have a problem with popular culture, a theme running through penman's piece, and is perhaps responsible for his worst excesses. i find myself siding with just about everything steve's said on this one. whilst i *didn't* get rid of my zappa back catalogue, i was able, as steve says, to say "ok, i don't like much zappa now", penman vocalising the 'feelings' i'd been having, sometimes subconsciously, about much zappa. having said that, i still love whole sections of the albums i mentioned. i'm happy with this contradiction. and i still think it's a brilliant essay, within the framework penman sets for himself. utterly merciless, removing with laser intensity whole sections of musical emotional baggage which i felt happier and freer without. but i'm also aware of the problems inherent in writing about music (particularly having struggled to do so myself, and i'm horribly aware of how dull, lifeless and workmanlike my writing is compared to the aptly named penman) ... zorn's introduction to "arcana" places writing about music very well, and clearly translating into words the content of a non-verbal medium is going to be problematic. i hope simon hopkins doesn't mind me mentioning that he and i have always been uncomfortable with the primacy of the written word in the "motion" site we run, and we'll be doing something about that. [ though i do reject some of the suggestions (sometimes no more than a 'tone of voice') that you have to have been a musician, or involved in the industry in some way, to be "allowed" to discuss music. that's an utterly outdated notion, and patently ridiculous when it comes to rock music in particular. i've seen enough of "the industry" or "the practice of music" (at all levels) to know the score here. i'm not a musician, but don't tell me i can't think about music. ] i still think penman's positioning of zappa as largely a "phase you go through" has some resonance, when aged 17 or not. he's one of those useful bridges between popular music and non-popular music (without wanting to step through that particular minefield) ... sadly or thankfully, my love of jazz stems largely from hearing kenny kirkland and branford marsalis with sting's "dream of the blue turtles" band. i mean, how much do i hate sting? but within months of hearing that i was lost in the next 'stepping stones' of keith jarrett, bill evans, joe zawinul etc. and here i am on a john zorn list 14 years later ... a few pet hates are people unable to deal with their musical past (when i was 15 i said to friends, who never let me forget it, that "i will never like funk", finding it utterly frivolous. currently i have a monthly dj slot at a funk/soul night i organise at a bar in town. go figure.) or people unable to have, never mind express, an opinion, particularly when it flies in the face of fashion, and *particularly* if you're a certain kind of journalist (a fear of *being seen* to back the wrong horse, rather than actually backing the wrong horse). penman is clearly saying what he thinks, and to my mind, he's dealing with the consequences. it's his point of view and he backs it up (again, i echo what steve said here, RE comparing with the nyt and zorn article.) there's still a few things i was listening to when i was 17 that i still listen to ("larks tongue in aspic" being one of them). and i've actually found myself going back to the stuff i was listening to when i was 13 occasionally (bowie, heaven 17, human league) and enjoying that. that doesn't mean that i don't feel i've progressed in my listening, and i owe that largely to certain colleagues, events, a lot of listening *and reading*, and groups like this list, where i'm constantly exposed to numerous suggestions of fine music to track down - i'll be a happy man if i hear even 10% of this stuff. so, for speaking his mind, and speaking it in detail, in print, i respect penman. i have big problems with a lot of his other writing, and penman's mean-ness will perhaps make more sense if you read his confessionals about his various addictions (dangerous unfounded accusation, but ...). however, this article hit the bullseye personally. but (i told you there where "buts" with zappa), i still find my spine tingling and my grin broadening when i hear hot rats, burnt weeny sandwich, roxy and elsewhere, or the guitar collections. for these alone, i would still describe myself as a "fan" of zappa. that doesn't mean that i don't find whole sections of his oeuvre to be stinking odious shit. music is an incredibly rich, complex, divisive cultural field, and i don't see why we should simply vote "for" or "against" (topical, eh?). cheers, dan. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [15.12.2000]: |||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound | fingathing | dan senn |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: cynical Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:18:33 EST ahh....the great Frank Zappa controversy. File it next to: the great progressive rock controversy [and its many subsets, such as the great Gentle Giant controversy and the great Henry Cow controversy] and the great fusion controversy and even the great metal controversy I'm just waiting for "the hipster/tastemakers" to "discover" Frank Zappa, the same way they "discovered" Krautrock in the early mid 90's, after spending at least a decade dismissing anything from the early to mid 70's as overblown progrock rubbish. Then we can see glowing reappraisals about Frank Zappa in The Wire & elsewhere. I *do* predict it will happen, starting with the original Mothers Of Invention. This will happen in the next 5 years.... I notice that there are starting to be shades of reappraisal about fusion, after many years of sneering at that. I think it's all pretty funny, but maybe that's because I have watched the cycle so many times that it has made me pretty cynical about it. Does anyone take anything that overblown, full of themselves, writers for The Wire & that ilk of journalism spew out THAT seriously? I hope not! Steve F. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Fwd: Re: zappa Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:03:23 -0600 >From: Jeffcalt@aol.com >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:14:59 EST >Subject: Re: zappa >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 126 >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >3 things: >1. The drummer on 'Freak Out' is named Jim Black. Lest there be any possible confusion, the Zappa drummer is NOT the current Jim Black of Bloodcount fame, but rather "Jimmy Carl Black (he's the Indian of the group)". Old Zappa-ites never die.... Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: the wire article (was: Re: now some pearls ... (zappa)) Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:09:07 -0500 >why does one become a music critic? the saying goes that those are >the people who failed at being musicians... Not true. It's the musicians who are failed critics, unable to control their own language, shape coherent arguments or get the proper tone of reverence when pronouncing "lester bangs." Still waiting for the critic groupies (don't laugh - Edmund Wilson had them), Lang - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: burnt weenie sandwich Date: 15 Dec 2000 11:38:05 +0000 hello, -other things that standout are the great early 70s jazz-rock -albums, "hot rats" and "burnt weeny sandwich". i really like burnt weenie sandwich, but i really don't know why he framed the album with those two doo-bop tunes. i "get it" when he goes all out with the genre with pieces like that Charva (or it is Jarva?) on the lost episodes album, but most of he time i find these types pretty boring and pointless. sharleena is a good example. i've never heard rubin and the jets, but i saw something on t.v. a while back that showed a 7 inch by this bland doo-bop group and one of the tunes was written by zappa himself, with serious lyrics. i think the band had the word penguin in it. martin dupuis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Miller Subject: Re: Zappa Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:39:54 -0600 (CST) Steve Smith wrote: > For the Zappa neo-phyte, I'll only add the following advice to the slew > of truly excellent and accurate suggestions the list has already > generated: avoid 'Thingfish' like the plague, and make sure that > somehow, at some point, you get to hear the exquisite instrumental "A > Watermelon in Easter Hay," from the otherwise juvenile-in-extremis > 'Joe's Garage.' (I don't need to own those discs to play that gorgeous > guitar solo in my head whenever I want to...). And then (forgot who said this): > Yeah, the article seems pretty symptomatic of rock journalism, which puts > the emphasis simply on having as strong an opinion as possible rather than > actually making an argument. I too find it hard to believe that something > this empty and polemical would convert a Zappa fan. It would be > interesting to read a more carefully fleshed-out critique of Zappa's work, > however, and I wonder if there are any out there... My take on Zappa, quickly: First, I came to it late, in my late 20s-- I began with the feeling that it was sophomoric, obvious, etc. Only later, after reading Ben Watson's crazy "Negative Dialactics of Poodle Play" did I get interested. I'm not saying that Watson's voluminous and creaky tome has convinced me of anything, but I was fascinated by the attempt: if nothing else, Watson does put Zappa into a context. The thing I like about Zappa (and Zorn) is that he creates problems for the listener (this is a central claim in Watson's book). So that a fan of the early Mothers will often slam into the brick wall of his 'juvenille' early 70s joke bands. Sure, I had (and have) the same reaction, but at the same time, I tend to hear these 70s albums (like Filmore 1971) as being in a dialogue with the earlier discs (like Uncle Meat or Money). I bought the first 7 albums or so in order, and found that I was "comfortable" with the experimentalism of the early work-- coming from a background in Zorn, modern classical, punk, musique concrete, etc, it all sounds pretty friendly: "my kind of music." Accessbile, I guess. But then here comes Flo and Eddie, smug theatricality, self-conscious documentation of a particular era and ethos in rock (the Flo/Eddie albums are basically about touring in the rock world). From my point of view, THIS is the strange stuff-- I'm not saying it's good necessarily, but I had that "what the hell is he doing" feeling, which I like, even if my final judgement is negative. I'm also fascinated by Penman's article because it's so angry! I don't necessarily disagree with his opinions, but I wonder whether Zappa's ability to provoke such hostility might be worth thinking about. I'm also not convinced that Zappa is unwilling to engage with the world (pain, dirt, etc), at least not in the records I know. For example, in "200 Motels" there is a suite of songs on groupies. Zappa's take on their experience is interesting to me: on the one hand, its somewhat exploitive. Yet the melodies are sweeping and sad at the same time. And there's a line that suggests empathy with the subject ("At least there's sort of a choice there...", implying that the character doesn't really see much of one). I'm still grappling with these issues, but the point I'm trying to make is that there ARE issues. Similarly with Zorn, though he rarely provokes the kind of hostility Zappa does. Just some thoughts... Andy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: the wire article (was: Re: now some pearls ... (zappa)) Date: 15 Dec 2000 16:45:03 +0100 wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > >why does one become a music critic? the saying goes that those are >the people who failed at being musicians... > > Not true. It's the musicians who are failed critics, unable to control their own language, shape coherent arguments or get the proper tone of reverence when pronouncing "lester bangs." > > Still waiting for the critic groupies (don't laugh - Edmund Wilson had them), Lang > > - good one! even though i do not agree... patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Zappa Date: 15 Dec 2000 08:24:12 -0800 >>>I'm still grappling with these issues, but the point I'm trying to make is that there ARE issues.<<< Well. While you all grapple, I'm going to dust off Billy the Mountain and croon to my hearts content. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:43:14 -0500 On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 03:01:00AM -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > Most people, judging from personal instinct as well as the "Desert Island > Discs" lists that appear in every issue of Tower's Pulse magazine, would > rather not be stuck on a desert island with one song when they could have a > collection. And if I were going to be stuck on a desert island, I'd rather > have my copies of 'Larks' Tongues in Aspic,' 'Desire Develops an Edge,' 'A > Love Supreme,' 'The First of a Million Kisses' and Beethoven and Mahler's 9ths > along with me rather than pretty much anything else. (Maybe I'd also long for > 'Abbey Road' to remind me of the normal civilization I'd left behind...) What/who is "The First of a Million Kisses"? (One way, perhaps, in which attention paid to writers online and in print is not as different: for Steve to mention a record that I don't know is his desert island collection is a signal for me to check it out.) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: nyc gathering tomorrow (no zappa content) Date: 15 Dec 2000 11:29:36 -0500 ok, i feel a little geeky, but whatever... i do think it'd be fun to round up a crew, despite the predicted monsoon (and sorry for the short notice). so here it is. THE OCCASIONALLY SUGGESTED, CARELESSLY ORGANIZED Z-LIST GET-TOGETHER meet in the downstairs lounge at the new museum of contemporary art (west side of broadway, 1/2 block below houston) at 6 pm tomorrow (12/16). there we will find the christian marclay-curated xmas lp collection, with djs spinning and manipulating seasonal records (i went yesterday, it's pretty fun). at about 6:45, we'll head over to washington square park, to meet up with phil kline for the unsilent night boombox parade -- you supply the boombox, he'll supply the tape. if you're going and bringing a box, let him know ahead of time (his info and a note about the weather below). if you don't know me, i'm tall, long brown hair, and i'll be wearing a long black coat (unless i take it off) and i'll have a boombox, of course. most likely i'll be with a 5-foot tall woman with very long black hair and a nose ring. also, if you don't know me, how come you haven't been going to the excellent concerts at the brecht forum? (solo billy bang next month!) after that, i reckon i'll go see ivo perelman at the knit, eff double-you eye double-you. so if you're in the area, come. without getting into that nasty business of listing members, i've met some fine folks off this list, and i'm sure there's some new yorkers i'll recognize (hi, dan hewins) whenever i finally do meet them. here's phil's msg: There seems to be a good chance that Saturday will be pretty wet and that it may rain a bit in the evening. Supposedly the heaviest rain will come early in the day while later the possibility of some showers is listed as 40%. So far the people i've talked to have said "fine, we'll bring umbrellas" which sounds good to me. Though it's possible to reschedule, it's difficult to get the word out on short notice and likely that we would have a better crowd going ahead in the rain than trying to get everybody to come back on Sunday. From the calls and emails I've received it looks like this year's Unsilent Night could be more than twice as big as last year's and as long as the weather's not too dreadful I think we can make a very cool and very large sound - under our umbrellas if need be. ps: if it really is a gale on saturday evening, contact me by email or at (212) 227-6255 about rescheduling for sunday - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: zappa Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:54:31 -0500 On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 09:03:23AM -0600, Moudry wrote: > Old Zappa-ites never die.... ... they just smell funny? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Zappa Date: 15 Dec 2000 08:39:12 -0800 (PST) Like many on this list, I too was fascinated by Zappa in my earlier years. I ended up buying all 53 studio releases... Now I have all Zorn's official releases... Is it sickness? Ha ha, just kidding. I find Zappa's music amazing and wonderful, but my taste leans towards the instrumentals... Many of his lyrics are political and as a result, they become irrelevant with time... The music will live on... I am not saying that his lyrics are "bad" or "in bad taste," in fact sometimes they are just as amazing as the music... Overall though, I prefer the instrumentals... ...but who can say "Inca Roads" isn't at least interesting lyrically? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: Page Hamilton & Fredrik Thordendal Date: 15 Dec 2000 08:54:16 -0800 Hey, as far as I know,Helmet's not jazz (or even avant-garde),but I heard Page Hamilton's a formed jazz musician,so,my point is:is there any album/contribution/song where he shows his jazz skills?So far,all I could come up with was some of the stuff on the album ''Betty'' (by the way,they cover Dizzy Gillespie's ''Beautiful love'' on this album,in a chaotic version),and besides that,nothing else.Anyone knows anything?I heard Page was doing some jams with a country-folk dude,but dunno much about it.On another side note,does anyone here knows Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects solo album?It's very heavy,but in the middle of the album,they mix some jazz stuff on it...I know the drummer is from a fusion band called Mats/Morgan(don't remember which one he is though),and the album has a really cool experimental feel....so,check that out if you can. Rainbows, Meshuggener http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zappa Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:30:08 -0800 On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:39:12 -0800 (PST) Theo Klaase wrote: > > I find Zappa's music amazing and wonderful, but > my taste leans towards the instrumentals... Many of > his lyrics are political and as a result, they become > irrelevant with time... The music will live on... I am > not saying that his lyrics are "bad" or "in bad > taste," in fact sometimes they are just as amazing as > the music... Overall though, I prefer the > instrumentals... ...but who can say "Inca Roads" isn't > at least interesting lyrically? One point that has not been raised yet is: what about the majority of non-speaking English language people who love Zappa? Somebody mentionned "Billy the Mountain". I still have trouble to get what it is about, but the magic and the sillyness (in the good sense) of the composition (?) is still there. I found it amazingly weird in 1972 (I was 16 years old), and I had not the slighest clue about what they were saying, but the music worked. I understand it a little bit better now, but that had no impact on my appreciation of it. All that to say that we should be carefull to make too much fuss about the stupidity of some of Zappa's lyrics, because usually, for most of us (who do not have a serious mastery of the English language), it is totally irrelevant, which implies that there is some value in many of these silly songs besides their semantic content. Patrice (who still loves both sides of JUST ANOTHER BAND FROM LA). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:06:29 -0800 (PST) --- Steve Smith wrote: > Some of the best criticism in my experience is > "extremely" biased. [snip] I might suggest that _all_ criticism carries with it a bias; in the best (IMHO) criticism, we can hear energy being expended not just making clear said biases, but interrogating them. This is hard to do in a review, which more often than not boils down (necessarily) to a gimp of economy (in the sense of its length, not "The Economy"), a nutshell appraisal which can be no more than judgment and the abuse thereof. Bill Ashline once made a couple suggestive comments on-list about this, which leads me to think of another of Bill's comments regarding description versus judgment, and the possible advantages in balancing these strategies or even maybe privileging "description" for a change; which leads me to Steve's final comment... >Let me posit the following as a parting shot...I >disagreed with the Times attack on Zorn since it >wasn't supported in musical terms. You seem to >disagree with the Penman attack on Zappa for the same >reasons. But here's one crucial difference that >can go a long way towards coloring your perception of >a fellow human being and his/her perceptions: one of >the above works with words and one doesn't. >To what extent might this make a difference? What do you mean by this? Did not _both_ articles employ rhetoric to accomplish their means? It would seem to me that the NYT Zorn article took for granted that what it said was acceptable for face value; _all_ it worked with was words, rather than particular examples. It suffered from its own lack of specificity, and declined to illuminate its own points. I'm curious what you mean by this. -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:31:49 -0500 On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:06:29AM -0800, Scott Handley wrote: > >Let me posit the following as a parting shot...I > >disagreed with the Times attack on Zorn since it > >wasn't supported in musical terms. You seem to > >disagree with the Penman attack on Zappa for the same > >reasons. But here's one crucial difference that > >can go a long way towards coloring your perception of > >a fellow human being and his/her perceptions: one of > >the above works with words and one doesn't. > >To what extent might this make a difference? > > What do you mean by this? Did not _both_ articles > employ rhetoric to accomplish their means? It would > seem to me that the NYT Zorn article took for granted > that what it said was acceptable for face value; _all_ > it worked with was words, rather than particular > examples. It suffered from its own lack of > specificity, and declined to illuminate its own > points. I'm curious what you mean by this. I suspect that he meant that *Zappa* worked with words while *Zorn* does not, rather than referring to the critics. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James Kirchmer" Subject: SEX MASH in Seattle! (12/16 & 12/17) Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:22:43 -0800 A *reminder* 2 those in da Northwest: SEX MOB and ZONY MASH play *LIVE* this weekend in SEATTLE, at the newly refurbished RAINBOW - 722 NE 45th St. - (right by Interstate 5) www.therainbow.cc on SATURDAY, DEC. 16th and SUNDAY, DEC 17th... -- ticket prices: 12/16 - $10 Adv./$12 Dos 12/17 - $10 Adv./$10 Dos Adv. tickets available at Wall of Sound Records (2237 2nd Avenue - at Bell St.) ~and~ The Rainbow itself. and FYI: Sex Mob will do an in-store performance at Wall of Sound at 5pm on Sunday! ~ Thanks for listening ~ bestest, JLK p.s. - "TMMWC" = Tangenital (is that a word?) MMW content ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My kids can do whatever they want as long as they are not Republicans or junkies..." - - Steven Bernstein, arranger & slide-trumpeter for SEX MOB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:32:50 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > I suspect that he meant that *Zappa* worked with words while *Zorn* > does not, rather than referring to the critics. Whoops! Joseph is right. Sorry for the confusion. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Steve's deserted island disc Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:16:36 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > What/who is "The First of a Million Kisses"? The out-of-print 1988 debut album by a defunct British acoustic folk-pop group called Fairground Attraction. It's lightweight, fluffy and disposable, but I just love Eddi Reader's voice, and the album speaks so plainly and clearly on the subject of love and romance. It's got a charm and appeal that I have found irresistable for 12 years and counting. But clearly this was not the case for the masses - after one minor hit, "Perfect," the band disappeared, and now Eddi is something of a minor cult artist in the U.K. and pretty much nowhere else. I think there are maybe 12 Americans on her e-mailing list... > (One way, perhaps, in which attention paid to writers online and in > print is not as different: for Steve to mention a record that I don't > know is his desert island collection is a signal for me to check it out.) In this case, it's probably not worth the effort! But I do appreciate the sentiment all the same. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: threadgill live on knit TV Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:19:03 -0800 fyi -- knitting factory site sez hank and make a move will be live on knit TV at 9 and 11 tonight.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:43:17 -0800 (PST) > Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > I suspect that he [Steve Smith] meant that *Zappa* worked with > words while *Zorn* > > does not, rather than referring to the critics. damn! If my logorrhea keeps acting up every time someone forgets to check antecendents, everyone's going to be paranoid about grammar and usage. BTW, I vaguely remember the author(s) of the Penguin Guide to Jazz on CD making a passing comparison of Zorn and Zappa under their "Zorn" entry, from the Third Edition at least. I think Morton/Cook likened them as "outsiders" or "misunderstood artists", mavericks. Also, speaking of the writer Ben Watson, has anyone read his pretty recent (July 1999) ART CLASS AND CLEAVAGE: A QUANTULUMCUNQUE CONCERNING MATERIALIST ESTHETICS, published by Quartet Books? The most I could find out was: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0704380668/qid%3D976912676/107-7662925-8280557 Thanks, ----s NP: Morton Feldman - NEITHER (HatNow) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: now some pearls of wisdom and other shit Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:52:05 -0500 Writers on music-- well this is something else I guess, but is anyone else here familiar with Michael Ventura's essay: HEAR THAT LONG SNAKE MOAN ??? from the book Shadow Dancing. If yes, What Think? Also, we are talking audio here, mostly, and there's this film (desert island material for sure if visuals are allowed) based on an Audio Illusion-- so bIG fAT mEDIA aLERT to the fact that Coppola's CONVERSATION is DVDed as of a few days ago. I'll be watching that tonight. Oh glorious life... r ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Page Hamilton & Fredrik Thordendal Date: 16 Dec 2000 11:55:38 +1100 << as far as I know,Helmet's not jazz (or even avant-garde),but I heard Page Hamilton's a formed jazz musician,so,my point is:is there any album/contribution/song where he shows his jazz skills?So far,all I could come up with was some of the stuff on the album ''Betty'' (by the way,they cover Dizzy Gillespie's ''Beautiful love'' on this album,in a chaotic version),and besides that,nothing else.Anyone knows anything? >> Sometimes Helmet's chords are pretty jazzy, not that that makes it jazz, but it's something I guess. A friend played me a cd of some sort of 'guitar orchestra' with Hamilton on it, it was pretty avant-garde, kind of Ligeti-ish in approach from memory. By the way, "Beautiful Love" isn't by Dizzy Gillespie, it's one of those old standards where you kind of know the song but have never heard of any of the writers... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Previte album Date: 16 Dec 2000 12:07:05 +1100 I've seen this album, "Dull Bang, Gushing Sound, Human Shriek" around but have always been put off by the fact that it's overdubbed rather than one of Previte's usual large band affairs. So, is it worth getting at all? Julian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Page Hamilton & Fredrik Thordendal Date: 15 Dec 2000 22:27:05 -0500 At 11:55 AM +1100 12/16/00, Julian wrote: >A friend played me a cd of some sort of 'guitar >orchestra' with Hamilton on it, it was pretty avant-garde, kind of >Ligeti-ish in approach from memory. I'm going to guess that you're talking about Glenn Branca's Symphony No. 6, which is a damned impressive piece--particularly the sustained-tone sliding second movement. Maybe, IMO, the best piece Branca's done (which I say not having heard all of them). -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Re: Threadgill NOT live on knit TV... Date: 15 Dec 2000 20:57:00 -0700 Just tried to get the live web broadcast, but just got some pretty lame shit. Anyone else have the same? Anyone actually see HT? If not, WRITE to KF's suggestion page and TELL'em. Maybe someone will wake up and realize fans are tuning in and getting pissed off. Here's what I wrote: //////////////// 1. Tell us what time it is in NYC on your "live" broadcast page so we know when to look for an actual LIVE broadcast. You broadcast live sometimes, don't you? You used to, yes? 2. Please don't tell us it's live if it's a RECORDING of live music. That's unkind. Maybe put your pretend "live" on one page and your REAL LIVE on another page. Whoever's playing, why not give us a clue - a name at the bottom of the viewer or something. 3. If it REALLY is a LIVE broadcast coming from your main stage or wherever, TELL US! It took me a little while to figure out that the stuff on your "live" page was a recording, and when I did, I was pissed at you. I felt cheated and wondered why you would tell me I was listening to Henry Threadgill when it was someone else, certainly not the master, Henry. Not even close. 4. Give us an option to listen to your RealPlayer content on a player outside the webpage, so we can close our browsers and use as much of our precious memory as we can, to get the best possible feed. I love youse guys, I've got at least 20 KF CDs, and I will buy more, but jeez, guys... PS: I'm a web designer, and I KNOW you can make your pages load faster. Simplify! It doesn't matter how cute and clever your graphics are if I get tired of waiting and go elsewhere before I see your whole page. ///////////// PPSS, Re: now some pearls of wisdom from mr. ian penman (zappa) Don't I remember a tune, something like "The Sweet Smell of a Critic's Burning Flesh" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: zappa and criticism Date: 16 Dec 2000 05:03:54 -0000 Well I wasn't going to enter this fray since I have no real investments in Zappa, but I did enjoy reading it all nonetheless. I read Penman's comments. I've read other stuff by him in the Wire and I haven't been very impressed. It's all very clever, but it seems to exemplify all that is bad in the state of music criticism. The solution to this problem is not to abandon criticism (words) in favor of some reactionary "let the music speak for itself" gesture, no matter how much it does anyway. Better to shore up the critical concepts in order to better engage with the music itself. Penman's essay is needlessly harsh, overly reductionist, tendentious, unbalanced, and mean-spirited--it's a very selective "reading" of Zappa's work. I learn nothing about Zappa in reading it. I learn about Penman, but it's a subject that doesn't interest me. This quote was pivotal for me and suggests how naive Penman is both about his understanding of "consumer culture" and a "deconstructionist critique" of Zappa, which for him can never be anything but negative. "...although Zappa built a career on purporting to despise the facades of Western consumer culture, he could never actually tear himself away from its value system (he just recycled it, reflected it back in myriad 'negative' forms); he could never step out of his circus-master role and plunge into the world of the Other." This is a trap Penman himself cannot escape as a voice for the same consumer culture whose taste he attempts to influence in peddling his words. Consumer culture is always slow but always ready to embrace "others" and repackage and market them. We're living in a time of "commodified otherness." I'll take the tendentious Adorno over the tendentious Penman. By the way Scott, I think the blurb on the Ben Watson book you mentioned makes him sound a lot like Adorno as well. I agree with what someone else wrote here previously. It takes no effort at all to dismiss something. Explicating (whether the forms are notational or cultural) is a lot more difficult and ultimately much more interesting. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: zappa and criticism Date: 16 Dec 2000 02:53:00 EST In a message dated 12/16/00 12:04:56 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes: << I'll take the tendentious Adorno over the tendentious Penman. By the way Scott, I think the blurb on the Ben Watson book you mentioned makes him sound a lot like Adorno as well. >> not that I know much about Adorno, but I'm pretty sure that Watson has openly said that he's been a big influence. also, I'm not a big Penman fan either, especially recently, but his Tricky cover story a few years ago was superb, as I recall, easily the best thing written about trip-hop's answer to Prince. any opinions on the new Keith Rowe solo CD, Harsh (Grob)? I think parts of it are pretty great, but I still feel like he hasn't released the solo masterpiece he's capable of. also, anyone else yet heard the new FMP Bill Dixon which I was raving about here recently? opinions? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: Page 3 (Simply beautiful) Date: 16 Dec 2000 06:14:22 -0800 Did Page play in all Branca's symphonies, or only in this one?I've got it from napster and it's cool...except maybe for the second movement you mentioned(I dunno....I though it was too silent...but that 's just me,I guess =) no hard feelings,dude),and I've seen he's got a lot of other albums,so,I wanted to know in which ones Page played,if he played.Oh,and by the way:there's a song Page did for the movie Taxi cab,which is called the score,it's cool,but you get to hear the bass more than the guitar in this one...anyway,still worth a download. Taxis, Andy Kaufman >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:27:05 -0500 >To: >From: Maurice Rickard >Subject: Re: Page Hamilton & Fredrik Thordendal > >At 11:55 AM +1100 12/16/00, Julian wrote: >>A friend played me a cd of some sort of 'guitar >>orchestra' with Hamilton on it, it was pretty avant-garde, kind of >>Ligeti-ish in approach from memory. > >I'm going to guess that you're talking about Glenn Branca's Symphony >No. 6, which is a damned impressive piece--particularly the >sustained-tone sliding second movement. Maybe, IMO, the best piece >Branca's done (which I say not having heard all of them). > >-- >Maurice Rickard >http://mauricerickard.com/ > >- http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: zappa and criticism Date: 16 Dec 2000 10:05:06 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > any opinions on the new Keith Rowe solo CD, Harsh (Grob)? I think parts of it > are pretty great, but I still feel like he hasn't released the solo > masterpiece he's capable of. Well, it's a safe bet to make my top 10 of the year. The first piece struck me as quite similar to his set in Boston in October, which was one of the finest shows I've seen in years. But I also like that he varies his approach on each piece, not content to settle into even such a beautiful "rut" as the first cut. I only recently picked up his earlier solo disc, "A dimension of Perfectly ordinary Reality" from 1989 which I also find superb. Really, even independant of AMM, he strikes me as an extremely deep artist, whom one can re-visit time and time again and consistently unearth new riches. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Page 3 (Simply beautiful) Date: 16 Dec 2000 10:21:32 -0500 Hmmm. Good question. Let's see what I have... On vinyl, _The Ascension_, great disc of short pieces with Lee Ranaldo as part of the ensemble. CDs; _5_, no Page. _6_, Page. _8&10_, no Page (Phil Kline, tho). So it's possible he might be on the 7, but I'm not even sure if that's been released. I must say I'm not too fond of the 8--too, uh, Wagnerian for me, in a kind of cartoony way. The second movement of the 6 is worth another shot--it does indeed start out extremely quiet, but it builds. Play it loud for best effect. (If you still don't like it, no problem...but for me it's like a rock flavor of La Monte Young's _The Second Dream_ or Ellen Fullman's Long String Instrument pieces.) Thx for the Taxi tip--I'll have to keep an eye open for it. -Maurice At 6:14 AM -0800 12/16/00, Fag music wrote: >Did Page play in all Branca's symphonies, > or only in this one?I've got it from napster and it's >cool...except maybe for the second movement you mentioned(I >dunno....I though it was too silent...but that 's just me,I guess =) >no hard feelings,dude),and I've seen he's got a lot of other >albums,so,I wanted to know in which ones Page played,if he >played.Oh,and by the way:there's a song Page did for the movie Taxi >cab,which is called the score,it's cool,but you get to hear the bass >more than the guitar in this one...anyway,still worth a download. >Taxis, >Andy Kaufman -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Keith Rowe (was Re: zappa and criticism) Date: 16 Dec 2000 10:27:35 EST In a message dated 12/16/00 10:11:22 AM, olewnik@idt.net writes: << Really, even independant of AMM, he strikes me as an extremely deep artist, whom one can re-visit time and time again and consistently unearth new riches. >> definitely. don't get me wrong, he's quite possibly my favorite musician in the world right now, between his solo work, leadership of the MIMEO, and his massive contribution to AMM. I was just saying that I think he's capable of putting out a more consistent solo record. Rowe also has a new/soon-to-be-out EP with Kim Cascone, which is an interesting combo that I'm curious to hear. haven't heard this yet, and don't even know what label it's on, sorry. also, Rowe is touring Central Africa in January for three weeks, along with a group of 12 people, including Jerome Noetinger of Metamkine. since I mentioned it here once, I thought I'd update with a few details, although that's all I know. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Keith Rowe Date: 16 Dec 2000 12:07:08 -0500 At 10:27 AM 12/16/00 EST, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >Rowe also has a new/soon-to-be-out EP with Kim Cascone, which is an >interesting combo that I'm curious to hear. haven't heard this yet, and don't >even know what label it's on, sorry. I've picked this up, it's on Cascone's Anechoic label, and it's a square cd which for reasons that escape me actually plays in my cd player. I'm not as familiar with Rowe's work as most of you, but this strikes me as more Cascone than Rowe after only a few listens. Mostly a long electronic drone with a few scratches in places that might be a scraped string. I like it a lot, but it doesn't sound *anything* like AMM, and not much like MIMEO (more like some of the quiet parts of the 2cd set than anything on the Perdition Platics one). Cascone is apparently working with Rioux's on this label, so there may be some information at http://www.riousx.com. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Keith Rowe Date: 16 Dec 2000 12:23:41 -0500 Correction on the URL: http://www.riouxs.com/new/anechoic.html At 12:07 PM 12/16/00 -0500, Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > >I've picked this up, it's on Cascone's Anechoic label, and it's a square cd >which for reasons that escape me actually plays in my cd player. I'm not >as familiar with Rowe's work as most of you, but this strikes me as more >Cascone than Rowe after only a few listens. Mostly a long electronic drone >with a few scratches in places that might be a scraped string. I like it a >lot, but it doesn't sound *anything* like AMM, and not much like MIMEO >(more like some of the quiet parts of the 2cd set than anything on the >Perdition Platics one). Cascone is apparently working with Rioux's on this >label, so there may be some information at http://www.riousx.com. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Page 3 (Simply beautiful) Date: 16 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0500 On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:14:22AM -0800, Fag music wrote: > Did Page play in all Branca's symphonies, > or only in this one?I've got it from napster and it's cool...except maybe for the second movement you mentioned(I dunno....I though it was too silent...but that 's just me,I guess =) no hard feelings,dude),and I've seen he's got a lot of other albums,so,I wanted to know in which ones Page played,if he played.Oh,and by the way:there's a song Page did for the movie Taxi cab,which is called the score,it's cool,but you get to hear the bass more than the guitar in this one...anyway,still worth a download. While I haven't heard them this way myself, I suspect that Branca's work would suffer more than most in mp3 conversion, since it involves all those overtones clanging together. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Jim O'rourke Date: 16 Dec 2000 17:57:06 -0500 Two very exciting gigs booked to Tonic in New York: Jan 17: Jim O'rourke, Tony Conrad, Arnold Dreyblatt, Thurston Moore Jan 18: Same lineup Wow! Paul (check dates to be sure) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James Kirchmer" Subject: Frisell gossip - 12/17 appearance Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:01:46 -0800 a little birdie told me that Bill Frisell is gonna sit in with Zony Mash & Sex Mob on Sunday 12/17 at the Rainbow in Seattle. so I thought I'd post this little scoop here, for whatever it's worth at this last minute, to the handful of you out here in the NW USA. for more info on the show check out the club's home on the web: www.therainbow.cc Ciao from seattle, JLK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James L. Kirchmer jamesk@telisphere.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My kids can do whatever they want as long as they are not Republicans or junkies..." - - Steven Bernstein, arranger & slide-trumpeter for SEX MOB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Rowe/Cascone Date: 16 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0500 The latest Forced Exposure email alert lists the following on the Anechoic label: ROWE & KIM CASCONE, KEITH: With Hidden Noise CD (ANECH 02). "Cascone strips away all the linear time information on a 20 minute segment of Keith Rowe's solo performance at the B-Movie and processes it with the Max/MSP patch he developed for Residualism. The result is a warm, chaotic fog of processed guitar work punctuated with ornamental glints of digital transformations. With Hidden Noise is a homage to AMM's Live at the Crypt and It had been an ordinary enough day in Pueblo, Colorado releases. The title is also a nod to Marcel Duchamp's sculpture of the same name that consists of a ball of twine wedged between two plates of steel that contains an unknown object that makes noise when the sculpture is shaken." $11.00 (It also lists the following intriguing item: BAILEY/KEIJI HAINO, DEREK: Songs CD (INCUS CD40). Derek Bailey (guitar). Keiji Haino (voice). Recorded Nov. 1996 in the UK. $18.00 Anyone heard it?) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript Date: 16 Dec 2000 22:51:05 -0600 (CST) hello everyone. i've been running across a number of low priced (US$9.99 at a local store) cds released under the charming title "100 anos de swing". i think they also say "folio jazz masters" on them. anyway, the two that i have seen so far consist of a julius hemphill disc (julius apparently conducts, w/ tim berne, fred ho, and two others doing sax duty), and a roscoe mitchell (w/ sound and whatever ensemble, with vincent davis on drums, william parker, and other notables whose names i forget) disc. so, my question is, does anyone have any more info on these discs (or the series in general?). i can't seem to find out much info via a web search. they look quite 'bootleggy', and do not give any information (on the outside of the package, at least) on recording date, etc. thanks, whit np - coltrane, the avant garde p.s. i'm not going to directly address the interesting ongoing zappa thread. but, to cast my 'votes', my favorite zappas have been, in no particular order, apostrophe/overnight sensation, 'grand wazoo', 'hot rats', 'waka/jawaka', 'one size fits all', the live at the roxy disc, you can't do that on stage anymore vols. 1 & 2. i probably forgot some. http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ whit@twinearth.wustl.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: keith rowe's solo disc, 'harsh' Date: 16 Dec 2000 23:31:24 -0600 (CST) jon asked, "any opinions on the new Keith Rowe solo CD, Harsh (Grob)? I think parts of it are pretty great, but I still feel like he hasn't released the solo masterpiece he's capable of. " (i) i also think parts of it are very good. i suppose i think it drags on a bit and perhaps lacks variation in volume at least. (ii) judging from his contributions to AMM, i was expecting something similar to what is actually on the disc, but somehow more subdued and atmospheric. i'm not sure why i was expecting this... (iii) however, the techniques employed on 'harsh' are definitly those one hears in AMM contexts, as far as i can tell. (iv) and i can't say the title didn't warn me. although i don't think it's particulalry harsh (to my dulled ears), it is more noisy than i expected (see (ii)). (v) caveat: i haven't listened to it more than 2 or three times, and don't remember much beyond the first track and maybe the second (this contributes to the feeling that it drags on, mentioned in (i)). time to give it another listen... (vi) overall, i enjoy the disc. there's nothing else like it in my collection, and i always enjoy hearing what one can make a guitar (and shortwave radio) do. (vii) anyone care to comment on or otherwise mention other solo guitar works in the same vein? all that comes to mind at the moment is frith, but i must be missing something. -whit schonbein np - soft boys, underwater moonlight (soon to be rereleased by matador, i hear) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joaqu=EDn_Villaverde_Mart=EDnez?= Subject: Re: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript Date: 17 Dec 2000 08:16:45 +0100 Hello The records are from an spanish collection. They are Black Saint originals. The first is "Fat Man and The Hard Blues" and the second "This dance is for Steve McCall". Best wishes Joaquín Villaverde Martínez jvm16@navegalia.com > > hello everyone. i've been running across a number of low priced (US$9.99 > at a local store) cds released under the charming title "100 anos de > swing". i think they also say "folio jazz masters" on them. anyway, the > two that i have seen so far consist of a julius hemphill disc (julius > apparently conducts, w/ tim berne, fred ho, and two others doing sax > duty), and a roscoe mitchell (w/ sound and whatever ensemble, with vincent > davis on drums, william parker, and other notables whose names i forget) > disc. so, my question is, does anyone have any more info on these discs > (or the series in general?). i can't seem to find out much info via a web > search. they look quite 'bootleggy', and do not give any information (on > the outside of the package, at least) on recording date, etc. > > thanks, > whit > np - coltrane, the avant garde > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Logan Subject: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 07:34:04 -0500 hi all Received and interesting phone call from a rep this week. It appears that a complaint has been lodged by the Quebec Provincial Police about the artwork. Consequently, Koch (who distributes Tzadik in Canada) has recalled all copies from stores and will be destroying them and deleting the title from their catalog. I guess they don't want to risk sending "obscene" material across the border by returning them to Tzadik. I don't imagine this will impact anywhere outside of Canada, though if the action gets any press, I suppose it could prompt complaints to be lodged elsewhere. mark - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 13:45:37 +0100 What's so "obscene" about that artwork? >From: Mark Logan >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:34:04 -0500 > > >hi all > >Received and interesting phone call from a rep this week. It appears >that a complaint has been lodged by the Quebec Provincial Police >about the artwork. Consequently, Koch (who distributes Tzadik in >Canada) has recalled all copies from stores and will be destroying them >and deleting >the title from their catalog. I guess they don't want to risk sending >"obscene" material across the border by returning them to Tzadik. >I don't imagine this will impact anywhere outside of Canada, though if >the action gets any press, I suppose it >could prompt complaints to be lodged elsewhere. > >mark > >- > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Xu Feng Date: 17 Dec 2000 11:25:47 -0500 I recently purchased Xu Feng and upon listening to it I caught a very Miles Davis fusion vibe from it. Is this Zorn's doing or the players on this performance? Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 12:48:15 -0500 On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 01:45:37PM +0100, Marius Ergo wrote: > > What's so "obscene" about that artwork? The complain was probably about the hidden artwork, which you may not have seen: if you pop out the tray (the part that actually holds the CD), there's another booklet beneath it with further art that has raised some controversy. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?B?RulsaXg=?= Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 19:51:58 -0000 I don't have the CD with me now (as I borrowed it to a friend) but I clearly remember the CD tray being transparent. Are there two versions of the CD? I've always wondered about what was the "hidden artwork" that is credited... David Félix ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 5:48 PM On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 01:45:37PM +0100, Marius Ergo wrote: > > What's so "obscene" about that artwork? The complain was probably about the hidden artwork, which you may not have seen: if you pop out the tray (the part that actually holds the CD), there's another booklet beneath it with further art that has raised some controversy. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 21:04:22 +0100 The CD tray is transparent, but there is an additional page with artwork hidden underneath the sheet you see under the tray. >From: Félix >To: "Joseph Zitt" , "Marius Ergo" > >CC: >Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:51:58 -0000 > >I don't have the CD with me now (as I borrowed it to a friend) but I >clearly >remember the CD tray being transparent. Are there two versions of the CD? >I've >always wondered about what was the "hidden artwork" that is credited... > >David Félix > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joseph Zitt >To: Marius Ergo >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 5:48 PM >Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! > > >On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 01:45:37PM +0100, Marius Ergo wrote: > > > > What's so "obscene" about that artwork? > >The complain was probably about the hidden artwork, which you may not >have seen: if you pop out the tray (the part that actually holds the >CD), there's another booklet beneath it with further art that has >raised some controversy. > > >- > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 15:36:24 -0500 Not only that, there is also some artwork printed in an off-white shade, on the white booklet. i knew this was going to happen eventually. i hope Zorn will receive some publicity from Taboo being w/drawn. As we all know, there is no such thing as bad publicity. lets not forget, that taboo has a guest appearance by that delightful Mike Patton fellow. who knows? ----- Original Message ----- > The CD tray is transparent, but there is an additional page with artwork > hidden underneath the sheet you see under the tray. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: Page Hamilton & Fredrik Thordendal Date: 17 Dec 2000 22:30:14 << as far as I know,Helmet's not jazz (or even avant-garde),but I heard Page Hamilton's a formed jazz musician,so,my point is:is there any album/contribution/song where he shows his jazz skills?So far,all I could come up with was some of the stuff on the album ''Betty'' Anyone knows anything? >> It's still not jazz, but there's "Zulu Time" with Caspar Brotzmann, which is a two guitar noise/drone/feedback/improv album that came out in the mid '90s and is still available, I think. Brotzmann's group Massaker used to open for Helmet and Jesus Lizard in the early '90s on occasion from what I hear, not that I ever saw any of those shows. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Dalton" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:26:34 -0800 I'm confused! I bought my copy of this second hand, can someone describe the hidden artwork so I know if mine is missing or not. Cheers Alex > The CD tray is transparent, but there is an additional page with artwork > hidden underneath the sheet you see under the tray. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 18:50:18 -0500 On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:26:34AM -0800, Mary Dalton wrote: > I'm confused! I bought my copy of this second hand, can someone describe the > hidden artwork so I know if mine is missing or not. Remove the plastic tray. Under it, in front of (within) the actual tray card whose flip side is visible from the back, is another, unattached folded piece, white on the outside. Remove it and unfold it, and there is a picture of a girl. (I feel like I'm describing the game play in Myst.) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Audio Sports/Masada Date: 17 Dec 2000 20:52:46 EST I have many Boredoms albums, but just recently found an audio sports disc for $2 in a junk bin. It's just an EP, Eat &Buy &Eat. The label is "all access", I assume by the original price of $25 tagged on the back this is an import. I have been following Mr. Zorn for some time, at least12 years or more. I own every disc I know about or can source within his discography. But until last weekend I had never seen him play, live in front of me anyway. Masada Dec. 9th 10PM, Wow. I have seen everyone on stage before, but to see John work with them!!! I can see how he has ended up where he is! He seems to definitely be the leader of leaders. I hope to see him tour again in some form outside NYC. It was a great night! Andrew-Listening to the newest Klimperei disc. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Zappa listening habits/Critics/Glenn Gould Date: 17 Dec 2000 21:37:34 EST I've noticed with that my Zappa listening habits tend to go in large scale cycles. That is, I go for long periods of time without listening to him, then my taste for Zappa is insatiable for a long period of time. Is this true for anyone else here? I've noticed its true for a few of my Zappa listening friends. BTW, I've been listening to him for about 10 years. I'm currently in the middle of a long period of Zappa 'rediscovery,' and I frankly find that I love him more than ever, and this goes for every period of his development, including the 'juvenilia,' the 'unlistenable' stuff, etc. I have no idea why this is the case. I simply cannot get enough. At the moment my only remotely negative feeling concerning him is the drum sound on some 80's live and studio recordings, especially the '82 band live drums and the drums on Them or Us and Mothers of Prevention. I obviously understand that there are, to put it mildly (and as is in evidence here), many, many wildly differing viewpoints on him. Haven't read the Penman article, and I'm not really interested, either, but I'd like to offer some Glenn Gould quotes on critics: " 'Advise your reviewers to be more Circumspect and intelligent,' wrote a young German composer to the editor of a Viennese music journal in which he had been criticized, 'for many a younger composer, who perhaps might go far, may take fright.' The author was Ludwig van Beethoven and he conveyed the views of most artists on the subject of adversary journalism. "The critic as aesthetic arbiter has, I think, no proper social function, no defensible criteria upon which to base his subjective judgements, and, historical precedent to the contrary notwithstanding, no strong case at law with which to defend them. Depending upon the nature of the society in which he serves, one might make a case for the critic as propagandist... He goes on for a paragraph, then says: "Conceivably, then, the critic could be retained as a data collector, confined to the production of objective statements, and encouraged to redeem himself in a society for which, as Beethoven suggested almost two centuries ago, he has served as a morally disruptive, and aesthetically destructive, influence." This comes from a piece called 'Critics,' from the Glenn Gould Reader, published by Vintage Books. -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 22:11:25 -0500 Hello, >Received and interesting phone call from a rep this week. It appears >that a complaint has been lodged by the Quebec Provincial Police >about the artwork. Consequently, Koch (who distributes Tzadik in >Canada) has recalled all copies from stores and will be destroying them >and deleting the title from their catalog. How "old/recent" is this? _Taboo and Exile_ was still in the store I visited Friday evening when I picked up _Carton/S&M_ and _Filmworks IX_. By the way, I just can't imagine how they will react when they will see the cover of _Carton/S&M_!! Bye, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DRoyko@aol.com Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 17 Dec 2000 22:39:39 EST Why the hell would anyone be shocked by this reaction? Mixing seductive imagery of children in a package that includes an explicit photo of a girl who may or may not be a minor masturbating...whether or not one agrees with the reaction, this can't be a surprise. Dave Royko - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: zorn content...wow! Date: 17 Dec 2000 23:25:10 EST what did Zorn do in college? did he study composition? ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: keith rowe question Date: 17 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0800 cool to see keith rowe pop up on this list just as i was listening to his duet "dark rags" with evan parker and wondering who the heck he (rowe) is. is there a website with a bio? can somebody at least tell me what his nationality is? english? has he worked with e.p. much? thanks. martin np. andrew cyrille -- my friend louis nr. the book of embraces -- eduardo galeano - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: Zappa listening habits/Critics/Glenn Gould Date: 18 Dec 2000 00:34:07 EST In a message dated 12/17/0 6:40:39 PM, Nudeants@aol.com wrote: <>I'm currently in the middle of a long period of Zappa 'rediscovery,' and I frankly find that I love him more than ever, and this goes for every period of his development, including the 'juvenilia,' the 'unlistenable' stuff, etc. I have no idea why this is the case. There's just so much great stuff to discover, rediscover and hear in new ways, perhaps (even tho that late eighties kick drum sound was pretty harsh). >> I simply cannot get enough. At the moment my only remotely negative feeling concerning him is the drum sound on some 80's live and studio recordings, especially the '82 band live drums and the drums on Them or Us and Mothers of Prevention. I obviously understand that there are, to put it mildly (and as is in evidence here), many, many wildly differing viewpoints on him. Haven't read the Penman article, and I'm not really interested, either, but I'd like to offer some Glenn Gould quotes on critics: " 'Advise your reviewers to be more Circumspect and intelligent,' wrote a young German composer to the editor of a Viennese music journal in which he had been criticized, 'for many a younger composer, who perhaps might go far, may take fright.' The author was Ludwig van Beethoven and he conveyed the views of most artists on the subject of adversary journalism. "The critic as aesthetic arbiter has, I think, no proper social function, no defensible criteria upon which to base his subjective judgements, and, historical precedent to the contrary notwithstanding, no strong case at law with which to defend them. Depending upon the nature of the society in which he serves, one might make a case for the critic as propagandist... He goes on for a paragraph, then says: "Conceivably, then, the critic could be retained as a data collector, confined to the production of objective statements, and encouraged to redeem himself in a society for which, as Beethoven suggested almost two centuries ago, he has served as a morally disruptive, and aesthetically destructive, influence." This comes from a piece called 'Critics,' from the Glenn Gould Reader, published by Vintage Books. -matt mitchell >> Well, anybody who doesn't take Glenn Gould to heart (right alongside Lighhtnin' Slim) is likely missing something very beautiful. best -- skip h NP: BEST OF THE BEST OF MERLE HAGGARD - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Blood Ulmer CD? Date: 18 Dec 2000 00:22:41 -0500 Peripherally related... Does anyone know if James Blood Ulmer's "America Do You Remember The Love" is available on CD? I've been hankering to hear it again (especially after hearing a cover of one of the tracks on the radio by an amazing Canadian band, the Excalceolaters), and my vinyl of it is long gone. I'd love to get ahold of a copy, in whatever medium. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: keith rowe question Date: 18 Dec 2000 01:26:20 -0500 Hi Martin, Yeah, Rowe is British. He's best known for being a member of AMM, which he's be doing since day one, about 35 years ago. You can find a bio and more AMM info at www.matchlessrecordings.com, the site for their record label. They'll also maybe have more info on the "Supersession" CD, the only other Rowe/Parker pairing that comes to mind, where they're also joined by Barry Guy and Eddie Prevost. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:12 AM > cool to see keith rowe pop up on this list just as i was listening to his > duet "dark rags" with evan parker and wondering who the heck he (rowe) is. > is there a website with a bio? can somebody at least tell me what his > nationality is? english? has he worked with e.p. much? > > thanks. > > martin > > np. andrew cyrille -- my friend louis > nr. the book of embraces -- eduardo galeano > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Re: Frank Zappa Date: 18 Dec 2000 18:29:54 +1100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C06920.847C9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information = pertaining to Frank Zappa! 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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C06920.847C9140-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: RE: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript Date: 18 Dec 2000 04:06:05 -0800 This compilation was released some time ago, but here in Brazil,as far as I remember,they were all just tracks picked up randomly,just to sell it,along with it came a ''magazine'' (less than 10 pages,I guess)telling about the history of jazz from the start,who came up with what,this kinda stuff.I have only two of these,one with Wynton Marsalis and the other with Pat Metheney and other guys I can remember now.Anyway,if you want to know how one of these guys sound like,I wouldn't say this is a good place to start.Well,maybe if you're a die hard fan,I heard these compilations put out some hard to find stuff.At least,a friend of mine who's into Pat and Paco de Lucia said so. Lucias, The e minor murderer >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:51:05 -0600 (CST) >From: Whit Schonbein >To: zorn list >Subject: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript > > >hello everyone. i've been running across a number of low priced (US$9.99 >at a local store) cds released under the charming title "100 anos de >swing". i think they also say "folio jazz masters" on them. anyway, the >two that i have seen so far consist of a julius hemphill disc (julius >apparently conducts, w/ tim berne, fred ho, and two others doing sax >duty), and a roscoe mitchell (w/ sound and whatever ensemble, with vincent >davis on drums, william parker, and other notables whose names i forget) >disc. so, my question is, does anyone have any more info on these discs >(or the series in general?). i can't seem to find out much info via a web >search. they look quite 'bootleggy', and do not give any information (on >the outside of the package, at least) on recording date, etc. > >thanks, >whit >np - coltrane, the avant garde > >p.s. i'm not going to directly address the interesting ongoing zappa >thread. but, to cast my 'votes', my favorite zappas have been, in no >particular order, apostrophe/overnight sensation, 'grand wazoo', 'hot >rats', 'waka/jawaka', 'one size fits all', the live at the roxy disc, you >can't do that on stage anymore vols. 1 & 2. i probably forgot some. > >http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ >whit@twinearth.wustl.edu >------------------------------------------ > > >- http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: RE: Page Hamilton Date: 18 Dec 2000 04:08:47 -0800 Sounds cool, but I didn't find any info on this...but I'll try tracking this guy down from now on.Thanks dude. Ironheads, Sam Hell >From: "Aaron Meyers" >To: "Fag music" >Cc: >Subject: Page Hamilton >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:59:45 -0500 > >Alright... don't ask me how I came across this, but check it out: >http://www.aiwa.com/ben_neill.html > >I guess that's supposed to be some collaboration between those two, but I don't hear any evidence of Page. Interesting nonetheless. > >-Aaron > ><< msg2.html >> http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 13:58:35 +0100 Marius Ergo wrote: > The CD tray is transparent, but there is an additional page with artwork > hidden underneath the sheet you see under the tray. but apart from the white on white printing on the booklet, and the girl that looks like she might be masturbating thre is no additional hidden artwork, is there? patRice np: wookie, wookie, soul2soul nr: yasunari kawabata, the master of go, vintage - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Zappa listening Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:02:22 +0100 Nudeants@aol.com wrote: > I've noticed with that my Zappa listening habits tend to go in large scale > cycles. That is, I go for long periods of time without listening to him, > then my taste for Zappa is insatiable for a long period of time. Is this > true for anyone else here? I've noticed its true for a few of my Zappa > listening friends. > > BTW, I've been listening to him for about 10 years. my zappa listening habits were about the same as yours for a few years. (i got into his stuff around 1988.) but over the past three, four years i've only ever listened to one or two albums every now and then; maybe twice a year. it honestly doesn't touch me the way anymore it used to. but still whenever i put on "sheik yerbouti" or "you are what you is", it puts a smile on my face. patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 19 Dec 2000 00:09:51 +1100 > but apart from the white on white printing on the booklet, and the girl that > looks like she might be masturbating thre is no additional hidden artwork, is > there? what more do you want? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:20:58 +0100 Julian wrote: > > but apart from the white on white printing on the booklet, and the girl > that > > looks like she might be masturbating thre is no additional hidden artwork, > is > > there? > > what more do you want? well, i do have some ideas... haha! ;-) no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something underneath the tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 19 Dec 2000 00:26:12 +1100 > no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something underneath the > tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... So, you haven't found the picture of the girl under the tray? I thought that is what you were referring to in your previous email. Well yeah, pop out the tray, and you'll get a bit of a surprise... (and don't worry people who have seen it, I don't mean surprise in a 'happy birthday' kind of way) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 14:38:56 +0100 Julian wrote: > > no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something > underneath the > > tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... > > So, you haven't found the picture of the girl under the tray? I thought that > is what you were referring to in your previous email. Well yeah, pop out the > tray, and you'll get a bit of a surprise... (and don't worry people who have > seen it, I don't mean surprise in a 'happy birthday' kind of way) > > - oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything more! finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out! patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: zappa cycles Date: 18 Dec 2000 08:44:38 EST My man Matt wrote: >That is, I go for long periods of time without listening to him, >then my taste for Zappa is insatiable for a long period of time. Is this >true for anyone else here? I've noticed its true for a few of my Zappa >listening friends. It's true for me, but then again, The Mothers Of Invention is the music of my youth - the first "progressive" or underground type of music that struck a (DEEP) chord with me. Before that, I was into the white-boy blues bands of Savoy Brown, Cream, etc. - also fun stuff. Steve F. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: keith rowe question Date: 18 Dec 2000 09:44:46 EST In a message dated 12/18/00 12:13:04 AM, Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes: << cool to see keith rowe pop up on this list just as i was listening to his duet "dark rags" with evan parker and wondering who the heck he (rowe) is. is there a website with a bio? can somebody at least tell me what his nationality is? english? has he worked with e.p. much? >> rowe hasn't done much recording outside of AMM, his primary project since the sixties, until quite recently. there's a nice full band history of AMM at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mamm.html also, doing an artist search at Forced Exposure (www.fe.org) for Rowe will get you descriptions of much of his work outside AMM . Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Blood Ulmer CD? Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:36:28 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > Peripherally related... Does anyone know if James Blood Ulmer's > "America Do You Remember The Love" is available on CD? It was released on CD in 1987 (Blue Note CDP 7 46755 2) but is almost certainly out of print... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Dvorak, Symphony No. 9 - IV. Allegro con fuoco - Czech Phil / Neumann (Supraphon) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Zappa listening habits/Critics/Glenn Gould Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:27:51 EST In a message dated 12/18/00 12:34:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Velaires writes: << Matt -- mostly I find it is true, although the big exception for me is when the jokes are really only funny the first time you hear them, or the performances seem spotless though uninspired. Even there, tho, some of THEM OR US is really terrific, and that's an album I don't love. Prob my favorite of that later period is MEETS THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION. My own feeling about FZ is that he did his very best work when he felt strongly about something -- "Mom & Dad", "Village Of The Sun", and "Porn Wars" are all wonderful examples of this -- and there were strong feelings governing every peiod of his career. I think he got unispired when the musicians didn't deliver equal amounts of character and chops (which might explain why I think the ONE SIZE FITS ALL band is my idea of perfection, and why the JOE'S GARAGE era is my least favorite in most ways). ---OSFA is utterly stupendous. I'm also getting off on the differing ratios between band input/band makeup/Zappa control and how this affected his writing/arranging/bandleading. There's just so much great stuff to discover, rediscover and hear in new ways, perhaps (even tho that late eighties kick drum sound was pretty harsh). ---I guess what I don't understand is why the played-out nature of some of the jokes doesn't seem to affect me lately. Of course, a lot of them are not as funny as the first time. Mothers of Prevention is an album I'd probably like a lot more if it weren't for the that drum sound and mix. Same with Them or Us. -matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 08:37:19 -0800 On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:34:04 -0500 Mark Logan wrote: > > Received and interesting phone call from a rep this week. It appears > that a complaint has been lodged by the Quebec Provincial Police > about the artwork. Consequently, Koch (who distributes Tzadik in > Canada) has recalled all copies from stores and will be destroying them > and deleting > the title from their catalog. I guess they don't want to risk sending > "obscene" material across the border by returning them to Tzadik. > I don't imagine this will impact anywhere outside of Canada, though if > the action gets any press, I suppose it > could prompt complaints to be lodged elsewhere. Talking about TABOO S/M, isn't strange that the name of Bellmer is not even mentionned once? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:40:37 EST In a message dated 12/18/00 8:39:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, gda@datacomm.ch writes: << oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything more! finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out! >> Ok, that's a little different than the way mine came. Mine has a transparent CD holder thingy and under that is a pencil sketch of a vagina. If you take out the transparent thingy and lift up the pencil sketch of a vagina there is a a photo of a girl who may (or may not) be masterbaiting. ~Eriedell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Fwd: Re: 100 anos de swing?: Hemphill? Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:46:05 -0600 >From: Joaqu=EDn Villaverde Mart=EDnez >To: "zorn list" >Subject: Re: 100 anos de swing? / zappa postscript >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:16:45 +0100 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Hello > >The records are from an spanish collection. They are Black Saint originals. >The first is "Fat Man and The Hard Blues" and the second "This dance is for >Steve McCall". > >Best wishes > >Joaqu=EDn Villaverde Mart=EDnez >jvm16@navegalia.com > Would "Fat Man and the hard blues" be the same as Hemphill's Five cord=20 stud, which has the same personnel? Or, is the an unknown Tim Berne that=20 I'll have to spend countless hours tracking to earth? Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 08:57:12 -0800 On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:37:19 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > Talking about TABOO S/M, isn't strange that the name of Bellmer is not even > mentionned once? Oops! I of course meant CARTOON S/M. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 18:05:06 +0100 Patrice, Using a chisel, you can carve one layer deeper into the plastic tray. You won't believe what pictures are hidden there !!! > oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything > more! > > patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: tim berne, bobby previte Date: 18 Dec 2000 12:45:33 -0500 mwoodwor wrote: > Also, I know last time I talked to him (about a year ago) that Tim Berne had > indicated that he was going to concentrate more on his playing rather than on > putting out albums - But does anyone know when he will actually be releasing > something new - there's word of a double album from his time in Europe with a > larger group being released, but what ever happened to the follow up Big Satan > album???? No word on the Big Satan followup. Keep an eye on the Screwgun website for word on the big band project. Tim is also supposedly working on a project for Matt Shipp's "Blue Series" imprint of the Thirsty Ear label, with a band that has been known as Quicksand but will apparetnly be recording under the name Low Ball (saxophonist Tony Malaby, guitarist Marc Ducret, keyboardist Craig Taborn and drummer Tom Rainey). I wouldn't expect to see this before next summer at earliest, but I'd be glad to be mistaken. It's been too long! > Furthermore, does anyone have any idea when Bobby Previte is going > to release a new album under his own name??? No, but I know he's shopping some material to labels at present: two discs of incredible live Radio Bremen recordings by his Bump the Renaissance band (Ray Anderson, Marty Ehrlich, Steve Swallow and Wayne Horvitz), plus a gorgeous octet suite called 'Sunburst Wounds the Tardy Star - 23 Constellations of Miro' recorded last April after a premiere in Manchester, UK commissioned by Birmingham Jazz. Keep your eyes and ears peeled. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Cuong Vu, "child-like," 'Pure' (Knitting Factory) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Henry Threadgill Date: 18 Dec 2000 13:09:11 -0500 Any reviews of the Henry Threadgill concerts at Knitting Factory last weekend? Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: tim berne: and DOGON A.D. Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:20:42 -0800 (PST) I do not know if this is true---it is currently hearsay---but I heard that Tim himself was actually screwed out of money by a German company who owns the rights to the Julius Hemphill _Dogon A.D._ recordings; the idea was that he would get the rights to reissue the recordings. I'm not sure if it's worth talking about, but I admire Tim's devotion to keeping the music of Julius Hemphill in circulation. ---s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 18 Dec 2000 20:28:51 +0100 Rob Allaert wrote: > > Patrice, > > Using a chisel, you can carve one layer deeper into the plastic tray. You > won't believe what pictures are hidden there !!! > weird... this didn't work with my copy! (are there maybe some sexy pictures of you hidden there???) but when i set fire to it, the ashes that were left over gave a shocking image! the photo of the girl is nothing compared to the hidden ash thing! patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: zorn content...wow! Date: 18 Dec 2000 12:03:47 -0800 (PST) --- ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > what did Zorn do in college? > did he study composition? > > ben WILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKWORTHWILLIAMDUCKW Just a plug there, now: He did study composition, but dropped out after a year or two, if memory serves (IMS). Studied saxophone with Oliver Lake (IMS) and members of the B.A.G., which was modelled after or perhaps connected to the Chicago AACM. I actually studied with Ken Stallings (not to be confused with "Carl"), who "taught" Zorn composition in the seventies. He is without a doubt one of the "professors in skinny ties," that JZ mentions in some liners notes (SPILLANE?), but he is also a kind, patient man, who speaks in a very slow voice. He was sweet enough not to laugh at my "scores". Eh-heh. Strangely, I can't remember any Zorn stories from profs; he helped stage some pretty odd happenings, though. ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: jump in january at the brecht Date: 18 Dec 2000 15:20:46 -0500 hi -- i know y'all might not have your 2001 calendars yet, but save this and come by next month. The Jump Women's Festival January 12th & 13th 8pm til midnight An eclectic cabaret of women performers. Poets, singers, musicians, writers, mimes, dancers, philosophers, comedians and tricksters unite to bring you a perfect intimate weekend that could only be available in the wild of New York City. 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I don't know if the people in Canada would consider it more or less lurid though, since I have not bought Taboo and Exile (or Cartoon S/M, so I don't know what's on the inside of that). WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canadia ! Date: 19 Dec 2000 08:59:35 +1030 And if you really want the raw end of the shank, try playing the cd = backwards, some really corrupting stuff there.. Case Patrice, Using a chisel, you can carve one layer deeper into the plastic tray. = You won't believe what pictures are hidden there !!! > oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was = anything > more! >=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LostinmyDreamz@aol.com Subject: take me off list Date: 18 Dec 2000 17:33:54 EST Ive been trying to get off the list and it hasnt been working---cant someone help me get off of it - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?B?RulsaXg=?= Subject: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !) Date: 18 Dec 2000 19:19:09 -0000 oh, so THAT's the obscene hidden picture... the one with the little oriental girl in black and white? that one was on the cover when i bought it! there is this cardboard cover in black with a sort of bottle in the front (just like the one in the tzadik page) and the names of the artists involved in the back. and then there's the plastic case with the little girl on the front cover and some sort of picture that looks like bones in the middle of the snow and a quotaion from, i think, margerite duras, on the back.. i still haven't gotten my copy back so I still am not sure if there's anything hidden at all... could it be that there are different versions of the cases/covers. david félix ----- Original Message ----- Cc: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:38 PM Julian wrote: > > no, seriously: i'm just trying to find out if there is something > underneath the > > tray that carries the cd that i was too stupid to discover... > > So, you haven't found the picture of the girl under the tray? I thought that > is what you were referring to in your previous email. Well yeah, pop out the > tray, and you'll get a bit of a surprise... (and don't worry people who have > seen it, I don't mean surprise in a 'happy birthday' kind of way) > > - oh no - i HAVE found the girl! i was simply wondering if there was anything more! finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out! patRice - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !) Date: 19 Dec 2000 11:27:20 +1100 Ok, let me just clear this up totally so there's no more confusion. On my copy, there's the cardboard cover, and when you take that off it leaves the picture of the girl with a few sheets/blankets. Inside the booklet is a selection of 4 pictures. When you take out the CD there is that track listing thing with performers' names, times and everything. When you take that out you see the white-on-white drawing, and if you pop out the tray and take away that drawing you get another young girl picture, quite a bit more explicit... I doubt there are different versions of the artwork unless you bought it used and someone had taken out the hidden artwork... > oh, so THAT's the obscene hidden picture... the one with the little oriental > girl in black and white? that one was on the cover when i bought it! there is > this cardboard cover in black with a sort of bottle in the front (just like the > one in the tzadik page) and the names of the artists involved in the back. and > then there's the plastic case with the little girl on the front cover and some > sort of picture that looks like bones in the middle of the snow and a quotaion > from, i think, margerite duras, on the back.. i still haven't gotten my copy > back so I still am not sure if there's anything hidden at all... could it be > that there are different versions of the cases/covers. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: "obscene" art Date: 19 Dec 2000 01:39:56 +0100 Julian, In stead of clearing up why don't we keep it confusing so that in 8 years time, people will still be looking for the hidden picture inside Masada Live in Middelheim ;-) Rob, Belgium > Ok, let me just clear this up totally so there's no more confusion. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: take me off list Date: 19 Dec 2000 01:41:10 +0100 Just push 'exit' > Ive been trying to get off the list and it hasnt been working---cant someone > help me get off of it - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: "obscene" art Date: 19 Dec 2000 11:45:04 +1100 > In stead of clearing up why don't we keep it confusing so that in 8 years > time, people will still be looking for the hidden picture inside Masada Live > in Middelheim ;-) So I take it you missed the photos of the band wearing nothing but their instruments? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Dalton" Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 19 Dec 2000 12:54:08 -0800 > finding the girl wasn't difficult, btw: the copy i have had a transparent cd > carrier thing, and the picture of the girl was right there when i took the cd > out. i did NOT have to actually take the carrier thing out! > > patRice Yeah me too! That's why i was confused. I had a circular piece of CD sized paper with info on the front and back, sitting under the CD. But when i took that out the 'hidden' picture was right there. I allways assumed the hidden art was the white on white stuff that is almost impossible to see if you don't shine it in the right light. I wonder if there are two different versions. Alex - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drivymovie@aol.com Subject: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:20:14 EST Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for essential Black Saint recordings that are being offered through this sale. A lot of them sound really appealing, but alas I can't quite afford to buy 'em all. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Evan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:51:16 -0500 Drivymovie@aol.com wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for essential Black > Saint recordings that are being offered through this sale. A lot of them > sound really appealing, but alas I can't quite afford to buy 'em all. So any > help would be appreciated. Thanks! Evan: This is just the tip of the iceberg, and I know you'll get lots of good recommendations. (Can't wait to see these myself...). I'm not going to check the list to see what's on it and what's not; rather, I'll leave it to you to judge according to your own taste which of these might be looking for. I'm assuming based on a cursory glance the other day that the sale includes both Black Saint and Soul Note, so I'll include both here with an indication of BS or SN. George Adams / Don Pullen Quartet: Live at the Village Vanguard V. 1 & 2 (SN) - excellent post-Mingus inside-outside quartet Air: Air Mail (BS) - legendary trio with Threadgill, Hopkins and McCall Tim Berne: The Ancestors, Mutant Variations (both SN) - early, loose but still powerful Berne with Paul Motian on drums Lester Bowie: The Fifth Power (BS) - quintet with Arthur Blythe and Amina Cludine Meyers John Carter: Dauwhe (BS) - first installment of great "Roots and Folklore" cycle completed on Gramavision Dave Douglas String Group: Parallel Worlds, Five, Convergence (all SN) - some of Dave's most intricate AND freewheeling writing Formanek/Berne/Williams: Loose Cannons (SN) - the roots of Bloodcount, and some of their eventual repertoire as well Paul Motian Quintet: The Story of Maryam, Misterioso (both SN) - the great trio with Frisell and Lovano plus Ed Schuller and the late great Jim Pepper David Murray Octet: Ming, Home, Murray's Steps (all BS) - the three most essential Murray records, especially the first two Old and New Dreams: Old and New Dreams, Tribute to Blackwell (both BS) - Ornette Coleman alumni association ROVA Saxophone Quaret: The Works, Vol. 1 & 2 (& 3?) (all BS) - first two are excellent in both performance and repertoire, think there may be a third now Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet: Voodoo (BS) - Zorn, Horvitz, Previte and Ray Drummond in smoking bop set Cecil Taylor: Winged Serpent (Sliding Quadrants), For Olim, Olu Iwa (all SN) - rollicking large band, exquisite solo, and terror combo (which may or may not include Brotzmann, depending upon who you ask), in that order Henry Threadgill's Very Very Circus: Spirit of Nuff... Nuff (BS) - debut of this particular raucous band There are many, many others, but this is my sampler. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Cuong Vu, "The Drift," 'Bound' (OmniTone) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: "obscene" art (was: Taboo withdrawn in Canada !) Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:21:47 -0500 On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 07:19:09PM -0000, F=E9lix wrote: > oh, so THAT's the obscene hidden picture... the one with the little ori= ental > girl in black and white? that one was on the cover when i bought it! th= ere is > this cardboard cover in black with a sort of bottle in the front (just = like the > one in the tzadik page) and the names of the artists involved in the ba= ck. and > then there's the plastic case with the little girl on the front cover a= nd some > sort of picture that looks like bones in the middle of the snow and a q= uotaion > from, i think, margerite duras, on the back.. i still haven't gotten my= copy > back so I still am not sure if there's anything hidden at all... could = it be > that there are different versions of the cases/covers. The packaging contains two different pictures of the girl. --=20 |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Re: take me off list Date: 18 Dec 2000 22:41:15 -0500 don't you like us? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:33 PM > Ive been trying to get off the list and it hasnt been working---cant someone > help me get off of it > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Bill Dixon Date: 19 Dec 2000 08:39:53 +0100 >From: JonAbbey2@aol.com > >also, anyone else yet heard the new FMP Bill Dixon which I was raving about >here recently? opinions? I´ve heard this cd yesterday and it´s simply one of his best. The lineup with Tony Oxley and two bassists fits perfectly his music. I was in Berlin a few days earlier to see the Brotzmann Tentet but couldn´t stay until Dixon. I think I really missed something... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 19 Dec 2000 10:30:21 +0100 (CET) I haven't been able to find any more hidden material on that CD. Maybe it's enough with that picture anyway! However, the fact that the CD has been withdrawn from Canadian shops seems ridiculous to me. First of all, because the artwork is visually fantastic in its entirety. Secondly, I don't think that it should affect anyone's morality. Furthermore, there wasn't so much controversy about "Torture Garden", at least in Spain. Put simply, some liked it, some disliked, nothing more. Does anyone still doubt that the masturbating girl is not of legal age? Despite her beauty, she does not seem to be more than 12 in my opinion. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: "obscene" art Date: 19 Dec 2000 11:32:44 +0100 Rob Allaert wrote: > Julian, > > In stead of clearing up why don't we keep it confusing so that in 8 years > time, people will still be looking for the hidden picture inside Masada Live > in Middelheim ;-) > > Rob, Belgium so rob: have you found all the hidden masada artwork? shocking, isn't it??? (not to mention the spillane booklet...) patRice np: milford graves, stories, tzadik - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Taboo withdrawn in Canada ! Date: 19 Dec 2000 11:33:28 +0100 Mary Dalton wrote: > Yeah me too! That's why i was confused. I had a circular piece of CD sized > paper with info on the front and back, sitting under the CD. But when i took > that out the 'hidden' picture was right there. I allways assumed the hidden > art was the white on white stuff that is almost impossible to see if you > don't shine it in the right light. I wonder if there are two different > versions. > > Alex i actually do believe that there are two different versions. probably an american and an european version, because tzadik probably knew that they were very unlikely to get into trouble over that "hidden" photograph over here in europe (maybe also australia, where you seem to be based); and that it might be slightly different in the states... patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Bad politicians/good art Date: 19 Dec 2000 09:44:11 -0500 I'm sure this will stir up a nice little hornets' nest here but that's what we're about, eh? Many fellow bleeding hearts have looked for a silver lining in the U.S. election debacle and its aftermath. Other than constant talk of emigration, the other thing they grasp straws at is the theory that bad politicians (adversity) breeds good art. I wasn't too certain about this myself and was wondering about what you all thought about that. Personally, I would prefer to have four years of shitty music as opposed to destabilizing tax cuts, Star Wars II and roll-backs in abortion-rights and environmental legislation (as G.W. has promised us). Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Eye/JapanBluegrass Date: 19 Dec 2000 16:57:09 -0000 Halo. >Yamamoto is Yamamoto Seiichi, the main guitar player in Boredoms. He also >has a million other projects. Yes, exactly. I would be very surprised if at least one of them wasn't a blugrass band. ARTHUR_G _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: re joe morris and chicago Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:00:21 -0000 >and yeah, pain pen is great. also includes the rhythm section of susie >ibarra >and mark dresser. watta rumble! well worth the jap import price. plus, all >of >the titles are comprised of the letters in pauline oliveros' name. I'd be curious about a bit more details. Do they play compositions or imrpovisations, for example? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: phil minton solo??? Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:03:35 -0000 Hello. >but here is my question: what records/cds have been released by minton as >a SOLO artist. any recommendations??? "A Doughnut In One Hand" and "A Doughnut In Two Hands". Forgot which one is which, but begin with the newest one (2 or 3 years old). Listening to it with headphones on is one of the biggest musicals thrills around these days. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Quick one regarding Xu Feng Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:05:25 -0000 I think the XU FENG album is a studio date. Apparantly they also did a concert where Trey Spruance was on guitar instead of John Scott. That's what I heard anyway. >From: Pascal Cortes >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Quick one regarding Xu Feng >Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:42:03 +0100 > >Found on the Tzadik website: >http://www.tzadik.com/ > >XU FENG > >Chris Brown: electronics >Fred Frith: guitars >Dave Lombardo: drums & percussion >John Schott: guitars >David Slusser: electronics >William Winant: drums & percussion > >This exciting release initiates a new series of CDs documenting the best of >John Zorn’s infamous game pieces. Composed largely between 1977 and 1989, >these pieces harness improvisers in complex compositional formats, >combining the unpredictable edge of improvisation with the structural >integrity of written composition. Xu Feng was composed immediately after >Zorn’s most well-known game piece Cobra and is the most dynamic and >fast-paced of them all. Intense and violent, and featuring an extraordinary >band of Tzadik all-stars, Xu Feng captures the exciting Kung-fu action of >the Chinese Martial Arts actress for which the piece is named. > >Pascal. > >At 09:35 07/12/00 -0800, Fag music wrote: > >As for this album, > > I thought Trey Spruance played on it....but I read somewhere it's Fred >Firth.So,this means there are two guitar players on Xu Feng?I hadn't look >at the cover of the cd yet,so I dunno who's playing what...anyone? > >Dragons, > >Shangkuan Lingfeng > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: ribot/mmw/james carter Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:11:53 -0000 Hey. >????? How is James Carter mundane and MMW not? I don't think I said that MMW is not mundane. The way I remembered it, I only mentioned that "Layin' In The Cut" is. As a matter of fact, I actually do think most MMW is pretty boring. Execpt for "The Dropper" which I finally listened to recently. In my opinion, this is everything the James Carter album should have been. >But, if you look at who is on >the James Carter CD (Tacuma, Weston, etc.) in addition to looking at the >kind of music they are playing, then I don't see how that could be >considered mundane in comparison to MMW. When I saw the line up for that CD I expected something pretty amazing (I didn't know Carter before), but it isn't at all. I still feel it's totally lame left hand stuff. Like I said earlier (?), Carter is as funky as Peter Brötzmann (and I didn't say as "good" but as "funky". One thing Brötzmann never was/is) Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus Date: 19 Dec 2000 18:02:12 Steve Smith helpfully wrote: >This is just the tip of the iceberg, and I know you'll get lots of good >recommendations. (Can't wait to see these myself...). I'm not going >to >check the list to see what's on it and what's not; rather, I'll >leave it >to you to judge according to your own taste which of these >might be >looking for. I'm assuming based on a cursory glance the other >day that >the sale includes both Black Saint and Soul Note, so I'll >include both >here with an indication >of BS or SN. [snip] Am I missing something with this cybermusicsurplus site? Because I was only able to find some of the Black Saint/Soul Note albums. And usually not the better known ones such as "Ming," "Homage to Charles Parker," the Cecil Taylor albums, etc. It seems like only the less popular ones are listed here. Not that there aren't some good ones among these, but I guess it would be too good to be true to find all those. Unless, again, I'm just missin' something. Thanks WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Black Saint Sale @cybermusicsurplus Date: 19 Dec 2000 13:22:29 -0500 Hello William, Tuesday, December 19, 2000, you wrote to me: >>This is just the tip of the iceberg, and I know you'll get lots of good >>recommendations. WY> Am I missing something with this cybermusicsurplus site? Because I was only WY> able to find some of the Black Saint/Soul Note albums. Surely they don't have everything just because it is sale only web site. The rest of it you can find on their main site - http://www.allegro-music.com/. But be ready that even sale CDs from CyberMusic are not on sale at Allegro site, although the prices are still low. In the same time I found lots of interesting and sometimes unknown stuff on CyberMusic. The even have some Winter&Winter CDs. NP: Orange Then Blue "While You Were Out..." received from CyberMusic -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: From one dead horse to another... Date: 19 Dec 2000 13:44:56 EST --part1_bb.a08a466.277106a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, So, why don't we move the "obscene art" topic to "best of 2000".. that way, we won't really have to break any new ground, but there will be some different words in the posts. from, matt http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins --part1_bb.a08a466.277106a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey,
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http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins --part1_bb.a08a466.277106a8_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Previte album Date: 19 Dec 2000 11:31:03 -0800 On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:07:05 +1100 "Julian" wrote: > > I've seen this album, "Dull Bang, Gushing Sound, Human Shriek" around but > have always been put off by the fact that it's overdubbed rather than one of > Previte's usual large band affairs. So, is it worth getting at all? If you are afraid that this record is miles away from his usual band music, you are right. But your fear should not go beyond that because it is a very interesting record. DULL BANG, GUSHING SOUND, HUMAN SHRIEK is an outlier in Bobby's production and is quite unique. It is more about atmospheres and experiments. No jazz, no group playing, just Bobby alone playing with various instruments and effects. If you like Bobby, I am sure that you will be interested in that one, since it sheds light on a side of Bobby that was unknown, I guess, for many of us. Patrice (still unable to find a Bobby Previte record boring). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Chappaqua? Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:23:23 -0500 An idle thought just occured to me: I recall that Ornette's original music for the movie Chappaqua was designed to run under the entire film. Would it work to run the Chappaqua Suite CD under the video on the DVD, or have the parts of either been reshuffled around? (And what ever happened to the movie "Box Office" and his soundtrack to that?) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Texas Improv Performances - IMPROVISED PEACES/PLAYING TOGETHER Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:34:00 -0500 Oops, we're doing it again: I was planning just to vacation in Austin the last week of the year, but people there and in adjoining towns demanded that I play there (really -- I was, er, rather surprised), so it looks like we're doing a third annual TeXmas tour this year. The ensemble this year consists of members of a variety of new-music and sound poetry ensembles, coming together from as far afield as Washington, DC, and San Francisco. In addition to the usual verbal mayhem, we have clarinet, electric guitar, viola, shakuhachi, recorder, melodica, and possible other instrumentation. Different lineups will play different dates -- we know everyone will be playing Austin on 12/30, and varying subsets will be playing Bastrop, Temple, and San Antonio on the days before. And at each venue we hope to be roping in locals and teaching them some material so that they can perform as part of the group. The performances will be a double benefit, for arts centers in (Palestinian) Beit Jala and Ramallah and in (Israeli) Givat Haviva. We hope to be passing the hat as part of the performance, in a way that allows people to donate to either or both as they wish. Here's the official blurbage:.......................................... for immediate release IMPROVISED PEACES/PLAYING TOGETHER by "?/," (Q slash C if you prefer), ensemble on third Texas tour performances to benefit art in Israel and Palestine ensemble members: Thom the World Poet, Bobby Corbell and John Snyder (Austin-based) Rod Stryker (San Antonio-based) Jon Matis, Joseph Zitt and Tom Bickley (Washington D.C.-based) Fran Carris and Tim Wood (Dallas-based) Nancy Beckman (San Francisco-based) performances: Bastrop (12/27) [open rehearsal] San Antonio (12/28) Temple (12/29) Austin (12/30) With the offbeat name "?/," (Q slash C if you prefer), an all-star lineup and a repertoire that mixes a wide range of elements including music, performance poetry, chants, comedy and improvisation, the group is nothing if not unconventional. The group's third Texas tour from December 28-30 includes performances in Austin, San Antonio and Temple (see end of press release for details on each performance). Performances by the group draw strong praise from both critics and audiences. Audience praise of last year's tour included "dynamic (and) energizing" (Morrie Green). The Austin American Statesman featured the Austin performance in their Best of the Rest section. The Downtown Music Gallery described one of the albums by members of the ensemble as "...bizarre and challenging...". The Washington Review noted "the result falls outside the traditional concert - it is vocal theater, a celebration of the voice as a direct line to all the apparitions and emotions that make up experience...sentence fragments, repeated syllables, seductive hisses, whispers are the language of populations, ancient and familiar." The performances will also benefit the Palestinian and Israeli arts. Instead of charging admission, the members of the group --in what they are calling Bagism-- will circulate during performance among members of the audience to collect donations for both Palestinian and Israeli arts. The title of the tour, "IMPROVISING PEACES/PLAYING TOGETHER", comes from the image of people, both in crisis abroad and in our own divisive society, working and playing in peace. The interactions in the movement and music suggest models and metaphors for people coming together in art and in life. The group's mouth filling name (a question mark, a slash and a comma) is a reference to the membership of the ensemble. Three of the group's members --Fran Carris, Tim Wood and Joseph Zitt-- were core members of the Dallas performance ensemble "Question Authority, the". A number of the other members --Tom Bickley and Joseph Zitt-- are members of the Washington D.C.-based Comma. The name is also a reference to the group's irreverent sense of humor and fun. The ensemble works with their own material and that of other composers including John Cage and Pauline Oliveros. Their repertory includes newly composed musical works, performance poetry, chant from various early traditions, and group improvisations. Techniques include many extended uses of the voice as well as electro-acoustic environment. Technically, the performers form "an ensemble specializing in music that involves improvisation and mindfulness practices." In practice that means performances that are a fun, unpredictable and eye-opening mixing of different musical styles, poetry and dance in improvised collaboration. The ensemble's current all-star lineup combines members of a number of ensembles, many with extensive performance lists and CDs to their credit. Other members include Austinites Thom the World Poet (multiple international tours), Bobby Corbell (Comma and Friends) and John Snyder (Empty Words), Washington D.C.-based Jon Matis (formerly of Gray Code and Austin band Tiktok), Rod Stryker (Sun Poets Society) and San Francisco-based shakuhachi player Nancy Beckman. You can find out more and hear recordings of "?/," on their website at http://www.datawranglers.com/QslashC/. Dates and Locations Dec. 28 San Antonio Barnes and Noble Bookstore 321 N.W. Loop 410, Suite 104 San Pedro Crossing Shopping Center, across from North Star Mall (210) 342-0008 7:00pm Dec. 29 Temple Zoe's Coffee Cafe 1701 W Ave M (254) 791-5282 7:00pm Dec. 30 Austin Ruta Maya Corner 4th and Lavaca (512) 472-9637 7:00pm Tour Contacts: General Joseph Zitt jzitt@metatronpress.com cell: 703-864-4036 alt: 202-543-4563 Tim Wood editorial@artsdfw.com 214.914.1252 Austin Thom the World Poet worldpoet@rocketmail.com 512.416.7435 San Antonio Rod Stryker sunpoets@hotmail.com 210.349.8216 Temple Morrie Greene demeter1@hotmail.com 254.778.6679 Webpage: http://www.datawranglers.com/QslashC -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Boxoffice Date: 19 Dec 2000 16:57:48 -0500 (EST) Nothing, I hope. I once found a copy of Box Office to rent from a since disappeared video outlet. The movie itself was rank-- think of a Grade Z sanctimonious indie pix and OC's appearance lasted about 2 minutes with both his music and the visuals truncated. ken Waxman --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > > (And what ever happened to the movie "Box Office" > and his soundtrack to > that?) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @ cybermusicsurplus Date: 19 Dec 2000 16:21:19 -0600 (CST) Evan wrote... > Hi, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for essential > Black Saint recordings that are being offered through this sale. A lot > of them sound really appealing, but alas I can't quite afford to buy 'em > all. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Continuing with Steve Smith's assumption that Soul Note is fair game here, I'll mention an album that's always been very dear to me, 'Force Green' by Mark Dresser. I can only think of a small handful of albums that illicited a reaction from me of the intensity that this one did (and still does on occasion) in terms of being so perfectly assembled and executed. The band includes Phil Haynes (drums), Dave Douglas (trumpet), Denway Maroney (piano, frequently prepared), Theo Bleckmann (voice, no words), and of course Mark Dresser (bass). I suspect no one would disagree if I say all five of these gentleman are top notch players and improvisers, and I would argue that the latter three are among the most unique stylists on their respective instruments that we've got. Dresser's compositions are long and winding and quite catchy in their own special avant-way and allow everyone plenty of space to stretch out; this album was my first chance to hear both Maroney and Bleckmann, and I'm continually blown away by their abilities to dig into their respective bags of hyper-extended techniques without sacrificing the integrity of the group dynamic for one moment. And don't even get me started on the brontasauristic bass prowess of Mr. Dresser. Oh heavens, I'm getting all flustered just thinking about it... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Saint Sale @ cybermusicsurplus Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:28:02 EST In a message dated 12/19/00 5:22:41 PM, rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: << Denway Maroney (piano, frequently prepared) >> one small correction to Tom's nicely written review: it's Denman Maroney, not Denway. the part about him being a top notch player, improviser and unique stylist is dead on, though. :) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: repainpen Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:37:21 -0500 WYork: I'd be curious about a bit more details. Do they play compositions or imrpovisations, for example? dollars to doughnuts in 100 percent improv. and nothing that strikes me as particularly oliverosy, either. i'm not way familiar with her stuff, but what i've heard seems of a different ilk, and not that compelling of one at that. i may give her another shot next month at tonic (with susie ibarra and rosie hertlein), but in the meantime, any oliveros defenders? not sure what other details you're interested in. highly recommended disk, more reflective of joe morris releases than any of the others', i think. kg np: clusone 3: rara avis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Elsie" Subject: Kyoto/Osaka music stores... Date: 19 Dec 2000 23:08:13 Hi all, I'm going to be in Japan for a few weeks and wondered if anyone is familiar with Kyoto and Osaka and can recommend record shops that are worth checking out. Please reply privately. Thanks in advance. ...Brad _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: best of 2000 Date: 19 Dec 2000 22:59:46 -0400 Hello list, I joined this list at the beginning of 2000 and I found that you discussed the best albums of the year, so I decided to write down a list of all the CDs that I bought this year. Here it goes: BEST ALBUMS RELEASED IN 2000 (in alphabetical order by artists) MORRISSEY: the cd singles '88-91' (Great BoxSet) PLACEBO: black market music RECOIL: liquid MARC RIBOT: muy divertido JAMIE SAFT: sovlanut (excellent album) JOHN ZORN: the big gundown (never listened to the first edition) Sadly I didn't buy more albums released during this year, and I have to admit I own MASADA LIVE IN SEVILLA, but I don't find it's that excellent album you always talk about ... sorry!!!! Now: BEST ALBUMS I DISCOVERED IN 2000, BUT RELEASED BEFORE: CINEMATIC ORCHESTRA : motion (1999) DJ LOGIC: project logic (1999) NICK DRAKE: five leaves left (1969) (can't believe I never heard of this before) GRANT GREEN: idle moments (1963) (same goes here: thanx to a recommendation from this list) ENNIO MORRICONE: a fistful of film music (1995) (again here) PAINKILLER: complete recordings (1997) JOHN ZORN: black box (1996) godard/spillane (1999) live in middelheim (1999) SOUNDTRACK: velvet goldmine (1998) Well, that's it ... hope my student money helps me buy more albums next year!!!! Thanks list, for a wonderful year ... lots of recommendations ... lots of discoveries Neil H. Enet ------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: black saint @ cyber sale Date: 19 Dec 2000 21:51:11 -0800 well, everything steve said -- i can't say which of those are on sale, since i already had just about all on his list. i just got my box from cyber in the mail today, so can only speak at this point to: the leaders - out here like this: average, not spectacular. chico freeman sounds like black arthur blythe on tenor.... enrico rava -- electric five: this ain't in the penguin guide, but i'm glad i took a chance. very, very good. a bit miles-ish, natch, but far from the imitations we've heard from everyone lately (including kaiser/smith's fine imitation). gianluigi trovesi's bass clarinet is great, dolphy-esque. plus two elec gtrs, bass & drums. recommended! ray lema/joachim kuhn -- just sampled the first cut. very promising, as one in love with lema's nagadeef but not that satisfied with the others of his i've heard thus far. amina myers -- circle of time: np. amina's own albums, the ones i have at least, are inconsistent. but through the first three cuts of this one, it may be the best of her i've yet heard. another dozen or so to go.... (note that if you click on the albums on cybers site, you can sample tracks.) less than $7 each, no tax or shipping if you order a few. affordable risk! martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: denman maroney (was Re: Black Saint) Date: 19 Dec 2000 22:35:26 -0800 (PST) --- Tom Benton wrote: > ....Denway Maroney (piano, frequently > prepared)...and of course Mark Dresser (bass). I > suspect no one would disagree if I say all five of these gentleman are top notch players and > improvisers, and I would argue that the latter three > are among the most > unique stylists on their respective instruments that > we've got...I'm continually blown away by their > abilities to dig into their respective bags of hyper-extended techniques without sacrificing the integrity of the group dynamic for one moment. > > And don't even get me started on the brontasauristic > bass prowess of Mr. > Dresser. Since we're on this, Tom's review perfectly summarizes my feelings about the not-often-mentioned group Tambastics, with Maroney, Dresser, percussionist Gerry Hemingway, and flautist Robert Dick. Hemingway and Dick have done remarkable work and both (especially Hemingway) share Maroney's and Dresser's abilties to hurtle through flaming hoops of extremely complex comprovised material with _often surprising_ results. I'm most impressed about how their employment of extended technique never seems to become the object of the moment----you never feel like you're hearing lines being recited, even "with feeling", which _is_ a feeling I get with, say, Ned Rothenberg, sometimes. Dresser is a monster with gorgeous tone. The self-titled recording by this group on Music and Arts is available pretty cheap and might be of great interest if you like FORCE GREEN (the same level of achievement, IMHO); it seems at its most interesting moments like something other than improvisation altogether. I don't know. It's beautiful. Has anyone heard the newest Maroney with Hans Tammen (on "endangered guitar")? Can't remember it being reviewed here. -----s NP: Pierre Henry, INVESTIGATIONS (Philips France) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: BEST OF 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 11:19:57 +0100 (CET) There goes my top-list for 2000: JOHN ZORN: "Xu-Feng" SUSIE IBARRA: "Flower After Flower" MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD: "The Dropper" SATOKO FUJII: "Towards to West" NED ROTHENBERG: "Ghost Stories" TIM SPARKS: "Tanz" JOHN ZORN: "The Big Gundown" (re-release) FRED FRITH: "Traffic Some CD's I purchased this year but were released before: TIM BERNE'S BLOODCOUNT: "Unwound" BIG SATAN (Winter& Winter relase- can't remember the title now) MICHAEL FORMANEK: "Nature of the Beast" MARC DUCRET: "L'ombra di Verdi" _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 05:39:52 -0500 Mine (9): Mat Maneri BLUE DECCA William Parker PAINTER'S SPRING Eneidi/Parker/Robinson CHERRY BOX Ibarra/Chadbourne/Dresser/Morris PAIN PEN Ibarra's FLOWER AFTER FLOWER Anderson, Drake, "Kidd" Jordan, William Parker: 2 days in april Eneidi/Spearman/William Parker/Krall: Live at Radio Valencia Parker / Guy / Lytton and Marilyn Crispell: After Appleby Joelle Leandre Project r ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: James Carter - Layin' in the cut... Date: 20 Dec 2000 04:05:20 -0800 (PST) At first listen, I thought this CD was fair, but I expected a little more... After a few more listens, I became aware of all these little nuances and James' and the band were playing... Now, I can't stop listening to the album and I think it's absolutely fantastic. I enjoyed it so much that I bought "chasin' the gypsy" which I'm still trying to get into. It doesn't seem to have quite the magic of "layin' in the cut." ===== -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Hemphill? Date: 20 Dec 2000 14:34:44 +0100 >From: Moudry > >Would "Fat Man and the hard blues" be the same as Hemphill's Five cord >stud, which has the same personnel? Or, is the an unknown Tim Berne that >I'll have to spend countless hours tracking to earth? Hemphill does not play on Five Chord Stud and instead Tim Berne is added. The rest of the lineup is the same. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: BEST OF 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:10:14 +0100 This year recorded: Christian Marclay / Otomo Yoshihide - Moving Parts Elliott Sharp / Christian Marclay - High Noon Vert - The Köln Concert Arto Lindsay - The Prize Kim Gordon / DJ Olive / Ikue Mori - SYR 5 This year discovered: Golden Palominos - Dead Inside Material - Seven Souls DJ Krush / Toshinori Kondo - Ki-Oku Bill Laswell - APC Tracks 1/2 Akosh S. - Eletter Pharoah Sanders - Karma PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Ong Subject: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 10:09:51 -0500 Well, I thought I'd post my list before I go off on my drinking binge and can still type, so here goes: 1) Keith Rowe/Gunter Muller/Taku Sugimoto - The World Turned Upside Down CD (Erstwhile) 2) John Tilbury - Morton Feldman all piano 3CD (LondonHall) 3) Sachiko M - Debris 3"CD (F.M.N.) 4) Donna Regina - A Quiet Week in the House CD (Karaoke Kalk) 5) Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler - Bart CD (Erstwhile) 6) Otomo Yoshihide - music for DanceArt Hong Kong's "Memory Disorder" CD (Sonic Factory) 7) Bill Dixon - Berlin Abbozzi CD (FMP) 8) JAZZACTUEL - a collection of avant garde/free jazz/psychedelia from the BYG/Actuel catalogue of 1969-1971 3CD (Charly) 9) e-rax - Live at the Bimhuis 1999 CD (X-OR) 10) Steve Beresford - The Bath of Surprise CD (Amoebic) blah - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 (questions) Date: 20 Dec 2000 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) --- Tim Blechmann wrote: > Elliott Sharp / Christian Marclay - High Noon > Vert - The Köln Concert > Akosh S. - Eletter I haven't heard anything about these releases, and I don't know anything about Vert and Akosh S. Who are they? WHat is their music like? ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: simon hopkins Subject: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 16:30:44 +0000 After last year's substantial crop of great album releases, this year has been disappointing. Lots of interesting releases, but little which has really shined. Of what I've heard, I'd pick out the following as essential: Radiohead - Kid A (album of the year, I reckon) Otomo Yoshihide - Cathode (which I think was actually a 1999 release, but I hadn't heard it when I did last year's list. Whatever. It's a work of genius.) D'Angelo - Voodoo Hoahio - OHAYO!HOAHIO! Lewis Taylor - Lewis II Cornelius Cardew - The Great Learning V/A - Jazzactuel box set Jean Luc Godard - Histoire(s) Du Cin=E9ma box set Sonic Youth - NYC Ghosts & Flowers Zorn - Taboo and Exile Zorn - Godard Spillane Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture Like I say, not a huge list. On the flip side, for me this has been an extraordinary year for live shows. Off the top of my head, these stand out (all London, except where noted): Mr Bungle =46antomas The Necks Zorn/Lombardo/Laswell/Frith (Paris) Yamatsuka Eye DJ set (Osaka) Masada/Masada String Trio/Bar Kohkba Marc Ribot Magma Sonic Youth Yo La Tengo (Glastonbury) Tiny Bell Trio/Charms of the Night Sky Thanks to all you z-listers for the usual erudition which, this year, has been responsible for me finding out about, among many things, the Oulipo, the films of Raul Ruiz and Korean P'ansori music. whew! Cheers Simon np. Fridge - Happiness (pre-release CDR, I'm afraid!) -- simon hopkins a state51 | 8-10 rhoda street | london e2 7ef e simon@state51.co.uk t 020 7729 8493 check out ---+motion http://motion.state51.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:12:42 +0000 >Mr Bungle >Marc Ribot >Sonic Youth >Tiny Bell Trio/Charms of the Night Sky following simon hopkins pick of the year, i was lucky enough to share the above with mr. hopkins here in london, and i'd also add the arto lindsay group at the jazz caf=E9 in london, derek bailey and suzie ibarra at abaixador deu in barcelona, zorn's de sade group at angel orensanz, and thurston moore/nels cline/zeena parkins at tonic ... there have been some great live shows indeed. particularly zorn, ribot and arto. but i can also say that i thought the following records were absolutely killer (again, i *think* most of them are this year). new releases _____________________ Otomo Yoshihide - Cathode (Tzadik) Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out (Matador) Anti Pop Consortium - Tragic Epilogue (75Ark) Arto Lindsay - Prize (Ryko) Radian - TG 11 (Mego/Rhiz) Heiner Goebbels - Surrogate Cities (ECM New Series) Burnt Friedman - Con Ritmo (Nonplace) Him - Our Point Of Departure (Perishable) Koch-Sch=FCtz-Studer plus DJ M. Singe & DJ I-Sound - Roots and Wires (Intakt= ) Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture (Ozone) Quasimoto - The Unseen (Stones Throw) Susumu Yokota - Sakura (Leaf) Sonic Youth - NYC Ghosts & Flowers (Geffen) Zammuto - Willscher (ApartmentB) John Zorn - String Quartets (Tzadik) John Zorn - Taboo and Exile (Tzadik) The Sea and Cake - Oui (Thrill Jockey) Uri Caine - Zohar:Keter (Knitting Factory) Various Artists: Ropeladder 12 (Mush) Walter Ruttman's Weekend Remixes (Intermedium) Radiohead - Kid A (EMI) Orso - Long Time By (Perishable) D'Angelo - Voodoo (EMI) reissues ____________________ Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music Vol.4 (Revenant) John Cage - The City Wears A Slouch Hat (Organ Of Corti) The Who: BBC Sessions (Polydor) Kind Of Soul (Small/Sony France) New Orleans Funk (Soul Jazz) >Thanks to all you z-listers for the usual erudition which, likewise! all the best dan. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [19.12.2000]: |||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound | fingathing | dan senn |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 09:21:14 -0800 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:12:42 +0000 dan hill wrote: > > Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture (Ozone) Second time that this one is listed. What is it? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Velaires@aol.com Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 12:28:42 EST stuff I enjoyed most in 2000: Dave Douglas: A Thousand Evenings Uri Caine: The Goldberg Variations Johnny "Guitar" Watson: Rhino Blues Masters NRBQ (s/t) Keith Jarrett: Whisper Not Richard Pryor: And It's DEEP, Too Joao Gilberto: violao & voz Jurrasic 5: Quality Control Little Willie G: Make Up For Lost Time stuff I only got onto this year that's been around: Tower Of Power: Live & In Color Charles Mingus: East Coasting David Greenberger/Terry Adams: Duplex Planet Hour my favorite live shows this year: Ellery eskelin (at Eagle Rock Community Center), Killer Joey at McCabe's, Uri Caine's Mahler Project (at the Skirball Center), Penn & Teller (at the MGM Grand), NRBQ (at the Roxy), Los Lobos (at the Greek Theater, with guest Willie G tearing it DOWN). still in heavy rotation like it just came out: Stevie Wonder: Songs In The Key of Life, Bill Frisell: This Land, and Carla Bley: Fleur Carnivore skip h NP: Los Tres Cabelleros, Oro - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Berube" Subject: Re:best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 09:50:20 -0800 I am usually just a silent reader of this list, but the best of 2000 is an easy one to get in on without looking too stupid, so here goes... Some of these may have come out in 1999 but I only got them this year.. so there! Radiohead - Kid A Masada - Sevilla(I think it's the best live one yet) Not Breathing - Itchy Tingles Glassjaw - Everything you wanted to know about silence Dead Voices on Air - Frankie Pett Presents... Mr Bungle - California Phylr - Half Life Zorn - Godard Spillane Runners up: Einsturzende Neubauten - Silence is Sexy (not their best, but pretty decent anyway... and a good live show) Noisex - Serious Killer (only an ep) my 2 cents. -db - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 10:00:47 -0800 Velaires@aol.com wrote: > stuff I enjoyed most in 2000: > For me the Yo La Tengo record took the cake (surprising me, since I've all but turned my back on the pop song form) as well as "Nixon" by Lambchop, especially the song "Up With People." The two sets I saw of Lambchop opening for YLT in San Francisco were amazing, only to be surpassed by the Brotzmann 10tet + 2 in July (chillin' with Fearless Leader Rizzi). So the year was not the biggest and best in music I've ever experienced, but the highlights were the highest. Keep those lists coming; I have a long-planned trip to Amoeba coming up next month, where I will, as the kids say these days, "drop a load." All lists will be reviewed for possible incorporation into the Master List. William Crump - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: mike ladd Date: 20 Dec 2000 18:42:14 +0000 At 9:21 -0800 20/12/00, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture (Ozone) > >Second time that this one is listed. What is it? it's a hip-hop album ... mike ladd's the rapper and producer. he grew up in boston, now based in new jersey, i think ... the album's great progressive hip-hop (not quite as brilliantly 'out there' and scabrous as the anti pop consortium, but pretty close), but it's worth it for the last track alone, which is an alice coltrane-inspired epic regarding the diallo affair ... at the time, i wrote this: Mike Ladd Welcome to the Afterfuture Ozone Those in the vanguard of hip hop are looking further and wider for inspiration, stepping outside of the conventions of rapping to draw new lyrical flow from poetry and soul, drawing sounds from increasingly interesting vernacular and avant-garde sources. And nothing epitomises this better than this hand-grenade of a release, lobbed into the mix by Mike Ladd, with the utterly serious intent of pushing beat-driven, creative music forward. It's bloody great. Though completely unique, it reminds me of last year's great D=E4lek, Co Flow and Mos Def albums - the same intensity, similarly rich sound palette, the same probing mind seeking out new forms to work with. Lyrically, Ladd is phenomenal. His sharp ear enables him to cut his rhymes directly into the grooves, shaping the sound as much as his smart samples and loops, and he's not averse to drifting his complex poetry across the beat (he featured on the "Eargasms" hip hop poetry compilation, and though he has a different style, he's ploughing the same articulate furrow as the awesome Saul Williams). The lyrics are passionate, informed, well-turned, and hit home hard. There's a seductive futurity about the content, which matches Ladd's sci-fi soundscapes perfectly. Assisted by Bruce Grant (tape loops), Jeff Cordero (guitar), Eric M.O. (bass), Charles Calello (keys), Fired Ones (all cuts, except Co Flow's Mr. Len on "Bladerunners"), Ladd himself is credited with pretty much everything else: various synths, writing, programming, production etc. Company Flow collaborate on "Bladerunners" - one of the angrier cuts on the album - a storm of sexual politics, drawled basslines, and string samples cut adrift from their moorings. Other standout moments include the irresistibly funky keyboard riff and soulful singing on "The Animist", and the breakbeat-driven whirlwind of polemic and electronic sparks of "Red Eye To Jupiter (Starship Nigga)". Some tracks are completely beautiful: "Airwave Hysteria's" Bollywood string samples; "Planet 10's" time-stretched vocals and ambient drift; and particularly the final, stunning track "Feb.4 '99 (For All Those Killed By Cops)" which indicates just how free-thinking and far-seeing Ladd is. It's nothing short of early-70s Alice Coltrane in feel: gently throbbing, droning, swirling strings; Indian flutes; and rolling drums emerge as Ladd recites lovingly sketched reminisces before building slowly to a thunderous crescendo and inspirationally fierce, almost preacher-like delivery. Ladd states that he's "just trying to stretch the parameters of Soul music =2E.. trying to create a practical fusion - trying to work in mixed media without making mixed mediocre. My mission is to disappoint everyone who has preconceived notions of what black people or music should be like, and that includes black people as well." This has all the hallmarks of a classic, and I've no doubt people will be digging Mike Ladd like mad. and there's a couple of sound samples at motion too: http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/543.html we also interview him for the site, too : http://motion.state51.co.uk/features/ladd/ hope this helps, dan. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [20.12.2000]: |||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound | fingathing | dan senn |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 11:06:31 -0800 I'm sure this list will change as soon as I send it, or when I look on my CD shelves, but here's a shot at one (in no particular order, just how I remember them): Gunter Muller/Taku Sugimoto -- I Am Happy If You Are Happy (For4Ears) Parker/Edwards/Sanders -- The Two Seasons (Emanem) Dominic Duval/Hans Tammen -- The Road Bends Here (Leo) Mats Gustafsson/Jim O'Rourke -- Xylophonen Virtuosen (Incus) Burkhard Stangl/Christoph Kurzmann -- Schee (Erstwhile) Keith Rowe/Evan Parker -- Dark Rags (Potlatch) Graewe/Mattos/Vatcher -- Impressions of Monk (Nuscope) Sun Ra -- When Angels Speak of Love (Evidence) and not so new, but new to me, and overplayed this year: Such -- The Issue at Hand (Matchless) Alexander von Schlippenbach -- Light Blue (Enja) Joelle Leandre/Tetsu Saitoh -- Joelle et Tetsu (Omba) Christian Munthe -- muntmunt (Blue Tower) Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 11:41:21 -0800 At 9:21 AM 12/20/00, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: >On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:12:42 +0000 dan hill wrote: >> >> Mike Ladd - Welcome to the Afterfuture (Ozone) > >Second time that this one is listed. What is it? > > Thanks, > > Patrice. This is a disc I'd put on my top 10 for this year, if I were to actually make one! It's rap, but way more musical and literate than just about anything else I've found in the genre. Has my favorite rap line of recent memory, "I f*ck like Cecil McBee plays bass," from a song with a sample of a Pharoah Sanders tune. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 11:41:33 -0800 (PST) --- Dan Given wrote: > Alexander von Schlippenbach -- Light Blue (Enja) > Joelle Leandre/Tetsu Saitoh -- Joelle et Tetsu > (Omba) What's this Schlippenbach like? For whatever reason, it seem like an unusual prospect for Enja to release Schlip. And how's that Leandre/Saitoh? ---s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re[2]: BEST OF 2000 (questions) Date: 20 Dec 2000 18:33:01 +0100 Wednesday, December 20, 2000, 5:20:36 PM, you wrote: >> Elliott Sharp / Christian Marclay - High Noon >> Vert - The Köln Concert >> Akosh S. - Eletter Scott> I haven't heard anything about these releases, and I Scott> don't know anything about Vert and Akosh S. Who are Scott> they? WHat is their music like? "The Köln Konzert" is a recording inspired by the old Jarrett recording. But it uses prepared piano / electronics. On the disk are no other informations about the group VERT. I don't know whether it is a group or a single person. But there is a link: www.isness.org/vert. (I haven't been there, yet). The CD transforms Jarrett's music, but it's spirit remains. Wonderful music. "High Noon" is a duo recording (improvisation?) of E# and Christian Marclay (Intakt Records). Fantastic recording of two great improvisers. Akosh S. is a hungarian (?) saxophone player, who lives in Paris (as far as I know). He combines Coltrane's or Sander's power, Free Jazz, and east european traditional music. I first heard him two years ago at Saalfelden, Austria. IMO he is one of the greatest contemporary tenorsax players. You like Coltrane? Then try his music. IMO he continues Coltranes work after his "Expressions" or "Stellar Regions". PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: 60's jazz Date: 20 Dec 2000 21:58:36 +0100 Maybe this has been discussed here before, but I am really wondering what you guys think of 60's jazz records. What are your favourites? I am so in love with this era in jazz. I mean, I love jazz in all its various mutations, but the blue note albums of the 60's is what I really dig. Here are my favourite(In no particular order): Grant Green - Idle Moments Wayne Shorter - Speak no Evil Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz Miles - ESP/Nefertiti Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch Albert Ayler - Love Cry Bill Evans - Interplay John Coltrane - A Love Supreme Wes Montgomery - Full House Hank Mobley - Workout _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: 60's jazz Date: 20 Dec 2000 13:04:25 -0800 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:58:36 +0100 "Marius Ergo" wrote: > > Maybe this has been discussed here before, but I am really wondering what > you guys think of 60's jazz records. What are your favourites? 60's in jazz? I think it was a good "cuvee" :-). My top favorite: OLE: John Coltrane A LOVE SUPREME: John Coltrane OUT TO LUNCH: Eric Dolphy UNIT STRUCTURES: Cecil Taylor POINT OF DEPARTURE: Andrew Hill TAUHID: Pharoah Sanders BLASE: Archie Shepp MACHINE GUN: Peter Brotzmann Octet IN A SILENT WAY: Miles Davis BITCHES BREW: Miles Davis Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: everyone but brian o, please delete Date: 20 Dec 2000 16:14:45 -0500 brian -- i can't find your email. drop me a line please. everyone else -- sorry. kg but still, what the hell, np: luaka bop - zero accidents on the job (sampler) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: 60's jazz Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:36:10 -0400 Grant Green's Idle Moments has got to be my favourite JAZZ album of all times ... I have to admit I haven't heard that many, but it sure is great!!!! I also own the double CD COMPLETE QUARTETS WITH SONNY CLARK ... but Idle Moments is just plain excellent. I also own Ornette's FREE JAZZ ... and it's obviously a very important album, but it's not that definite for me. And talking about 50's jazz ... SONNY ROLLINS saxophone colossus is a must have for me. Neil ---- NP. DAVID BOWIE ... Ziggy Stardust - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: best of 2000 Date: 21 Dec 2000 00:48:43 +0100 Most of the records I bought this year are by Norwegian jazz guys that i've heard at clubs here in Oslo, so you are probably reluctant to hear about it, but I'll mention some of them in addition to the international releases I've bought. John Zorn - The Big Gundown re-release (I had the old one but had to have this one as well.) Fred Frith/Ensemble Modern - Traffic Continues (Amazing piece featuring the aforementioned german ensemble, Ikue Mori and Zeena Parkins. The second part is a tribute to Tom Cora. Great stuff!!) Radiohead - Kid A (Of Course!) Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos - Muy Divertido! (Very entertaining indeed!) The Trio w/David Liebman - In Color (Great norwegian jazz trio joined by Liebman on some tracks. The drummer, Jarle Vespestad [Who also plays with Farmers Market]is absolutely stunning!) Petter Wettre/Per Oddvar Johansen - The Only Way to Travel (Great drum/sax duo in the vein of Coltrane/Ali. Wettre is also the sax player in The Trio[Come to think of it the norwegian jazz scene is quite incestuous].) Farmers Market - Farmers Market (The funnest album of the year appearantly.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 Date: 21 Dec 2000 11:01:54 +1100 Jim Black "AlasNoAxis" (surprised noone's mentioned it yet) Eyvind Kang "The Story Of Iceland" Tin Hat Trio "Helium" Dave Douglas "Soul On Soul" Pachora "Ast" Bill Frisell "Ghost Town" Marc Ribot "Muy Divertido" Kletka Red "Hybrid" Jamie Saft "Sovlanut" (I was expecting something a bit more interesting actually, but it's still pretty good) and my greatest new discoveries this year: Peter Epstein Tim Berne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 19:35:15 -0500 Unfortunately, most of what I got this year was at least a year old, but here's what was dated 2000, subdivided by categories. Improv: Perlon, Play it loud!!, Zarek Stangl & Kurzmann, Schnee, Erstwhile M=FCller & Ninh, La Voyelle Liquide, Erstwhile MIMEO, Electric Chair and Table, Grob Efzeg, Grain, Durian World: Susana Baca, eco de sombras, Luaka Bop Sussan Deyhim, Madman of God, Crammed Classical: Louis Goldstein, one5 (cage) and triadic memories (feldman), Offseason Cornelius Cardew, Treatise, HatNow Reissue: Iannis Xenakis, Persepolis Electroacoustic: Steve Peters, In Memory of the Four Winds, Pianissimo Bernhard G=FCnter, Time Dreaming Itself, Trente Oiseaux Eric La Casa, Les pierres du seuil part 4-5, ... Wehowsky, Chalk & Lanzillotta, Yang-Tul, Anomalous Ora, Amalgam, ... -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 19:56:24 EST okay, so i bought a lot music this year... here are my favorite jazz albums released in 2000 (and yes, I clearly have a= =20 sax fetish): 1. Sonny Fortune: In the Spirit of John Coltrane (Shanachie) =20 2. Vandermark/Drake/McBride: Spaceways Incorporated, Thirteen Cosmic=20 Standards by Sun Ra & Funkadelic (Atavistic) 3. David S. Ware: Surrendered (Columbia) 4. James Carter: Chasin' the Gypsy (Warner Bros.) 5. The Vandermark 5: Burn the Incline / Free Jazz Classics (Atavistic) 6. Brad Mehldau: Places (Warner Bros.) 7. Wadada Leo Smith: Golden Quartet (Tzadik) 8. Medeski Martin and Wood: The Dropper (Blue Note) 9. World Saxophone Quartet: Requiem for Julius (Justin Time) 10. Alan Broadbent/ Alex Cline/ Nels Cline/ Peter Erskine/ Alan Pasqua: The=20 Music of Eric von Essen, Vol. I (Cryptogramophone) 11. Dave Douglas: Soul on Soul (RCA Victor) 12. NOJO with Don Byron: You Are Here (Koch Jazz) 13. Chicago Underground Trio: Flamethrower (Delmark) 14. Jason Marsalis: Music in Motion (Basin Street) 15. Medeski Martin & Wood: Tonic (Blue Note) =20 16. John Scofield: Bump (Verve) 17. Terence Blanchard: Wandering Moon (Sony) 18. Nels Cline: The Inkling (Cryptogramophone) 19. Sam Rivers' Rivbea All-Star Orchestra: Culmination (RCA Victor) 20. Roy Nathanson: Fire at Keaton's Bar & Grill (Six Degrees) best jazz reissues:=20 1. Miles Davis & John Coltrane: Complete Columbia Sessions [a.k.a. The Red=20 Box] 6CD 2. Wildflowers: The New York Loft Jazz Sessions (Knit Classics) 3CD 3. Louis Armstrong: Hot Fives and Sevens (JSP box) 4. Charlie Parker/ Lester Young: The Complete JATP Performances (Definitive)= =20 2CD=20 5. Chico Hamilton Quintet with Eric Dolphy: The Original Ellington Suite=20 (Pacific Jazz)=20 All But Jazz: 1. D'Angelo: Voodoo (Virgin) =20 2. Corey Harris & Henry Butler: V=FC-D=FC Menz (Alligator) 3. Erykah Badu: Mama's Gun (Motown) 4. Tin Hat Trio: Helium (Angel) ..arguably could be in the jazz category 5. John Brown's Body: This Day (Shanachie) Fela Kuti: Coffin for the Head of State/ Unknown Soldier (MCA) [reissue] Live shows: I saw close to 50 shows in or around Los Angeles this year, but= =20 these are the most memorable: 1. David Murray Trio (w/ bassist Roberto Miranda!) @ Jazz Bakery 9/14=20 2. Ellery Eskelin/Andrea Parkins/Jim Black @ Eagle Rock Comm. Center 11/5 3. Gregg Bendian's Trio Pianissimo (sets 1-2); Nels Cline & Gregg Bendian=20 perform Coltrane's 'Interstellar Space' Revisited (set 3) @ Rocco 5/5 4. Charlie Hunter trio; John Scofield band @ USC 4/15 5. Sun Ra's Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen @ Knitting Factor= y=20 Hollywood 9/12 6. Abdullah Ibrahim Trio @ Jazz Bakery 4/11=20 7. Sonny Fortune quartet; Frank Morgan quartet @ Jazz Bakery 8/13 8. Jackie McLean quartet (w/ Billy Higgins' trio ) @ Geffen Contemporary 9/1= 4 9. Vinny Golia/ Phil Haynes duo @ Eagle Rock Community Center 10/1 10. Bennie Maupin solo; Wadada Leo Smith solo @ Conjunctive Points 9/16 11. Bobby Bradford Mo'Tet: A Tribute to John Carter (w/ Vinny Golia, Nels=20 Cline, Art Davis, Alex Cline) @ Knauer/Johnson Studio 1/15 12. Erykah Badu @ Knitting Factory Hollywood 12/1 and the award for most end-of-the-year lists goes to... jeff caltabiano n.p. ahmad jamal trio: the awakening (1970) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Best of 2000 Date: 21 Dec 2000 01:31:15 -0000 I'm going to have to add the following to my aforementioned list, as these arrived sooner than expected: Otomo Yoshihide and Ian Kerkhof--Film Music from Shabondama Elegy (brilliant!) Otomo Yoshihide and Voice Crack--Bits, Bolts, and Signs Muller and Ninh--La Voyelle Liquide (I forgot this last time--it's wonderful--and an absolute must, though Schnee and Bart are the best Erstwhile of the year IMO) Ryoji Ikeda--Matrix (much, much better than I expected. I'm almost tempted to say it's better than the other two more acclaimed ones) Ayuo--Izutsu (strongly recommended--in the player now) Reissues: Sun Ra--When Angels Speak, Lanquidity, Greatest Hits, Cymbals & Crystal Spears, Pathways to Unknown Worlds (these are great once again--I never get tired of Sun Ra) Ornette--Dancing in your Head (highlight performance with the Master Musicians) Late arrivals: Dafeldecker, Kurzmann, Fennesz, O'Rourke, Drumm, Siewert--on Charisma (my favorite of all of the electro-improv that I've heard thus far I think) Cornelius Cardew--Treatise (I cannot endorse this recording enough) Beta Bodega Coalition--Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare (I was hoping for a more political accent, but it was quite interesting nonetheless--comes with a grain of rice and one black bean) I also just picked up the DIW Live from Soundscape, Back on 52nd Street and I was not disappointed. Improvs with Ed Blackwell and Dewey Redman, Marion Brown (still one of my all-time favorites), Derek Bailey and George Lewis, and Dennis Charles. Quite nice. I should post reviews on some of these subsequently, particularly the Erstwhile. I need more time though to immerse myself. NP: Ayuo (quite lovely) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: 60's jazz, b. evans, mixes Date: 20 Dec 2000 21:53:45 -0500 Interesting point. I listen to enough 60s jazz that I don't really consider it a "genre" anymore. Out to Lunch just isn't a record of a time period for me. There's nothing like it (or if there is I want to know about it). The only record that I don't know (or at least kind of know) on the list is Bill Evans. That's a huge gap, I know, but where to begin for fans of Dolphy, Ayler, Taylor, Conlon Nancarrow, etc....? Best and good luck on everyone's holiday wish lists. Matt... Oh, and another listserve was talking about "end of the year compilations" I like to send select friends what used to be called "mixtapes," to sort of represent where I'm at musically, now that I don't see the scattered people that I'd like. The tastes of this group are so great that I'd like to see the song lists for any good mixes that people are coming up with. Well, it makes more sense to me than best of lists.... Anyway, here is mine for November, no promises...: 1. Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag - Bob Dylan (3:22) 2. Massacring - Ground Zero (1:27) 3. Sultana - Titanic (3:57) 4. The Ballad of You and Me and Pooneil (live) - Jefferson Airplane (11:41) 5. In the Land of Yamo Yamo - Wingy Manone (2:44) 6. Sings - Barbra Streisand (0:54) 7. Mr. Blues - Marvin Rainwater (2:27) 8. You Can Live in Our Tree - The Blue Things (3:07) THE GERMAN PERIOD 9. Salute To A Switchblade - Tom T. Hall (3:26) 10. Introduktion (Traum-Formel - Bassetthorn) - Karlheinz Stockhausen (0:57) 11. In Longing Spirit - Emperor (5:55) 12. Hero Blues (live) - Bob Dylan (3:23) 13. Daddy's Wildwood Flower - Ralph Stanley (3:46) 14. Codine - Quicksilver Messenger Service (5:21) 15. Turn Your Radio On - Bonnie Owens & Merle Haggard & The Strangers (2:09) 16. One Color Blues - Jerry Cole & the Spacemen (2:27) 17. Keys to the Car - Michael Nesmith & the First National Band (2:55) 18. A Visit With Ashiya - Merrell Fankhauser & H.M.S. Bounty (3:22) 19. Whatever Happened to Jesus (and Maybelline) - Terry Allen & The Panhandle Mystery Band 20. Popcorn - Pugs (2:38) 21. Santa Claus (has got the AIDS this year) - Tiny Tim (1:15) 1. Talkin' Bout New Orleans - The Meters (3:38) 2. Oh! - Kikusuimaru (3:51) 3. 99 1/2 - Sister Rosetta Tharpe & Katie Bell Nubin (2:38) 4. All Over You (live) - Bob Dylan (4:17) (dedicated to Chris King) 5. Blood On The Saddle - Two Dollar Guitar (2:38) 6. Uncle Sammy, Here I Am - Clarence Williams' Blue Five w/Eva Taylor (3:12) 7. Mandolin and Jalatarang duet (ca. 1930) - Unknown Indian Musicians (3:20) 8. Would You Like A Snack? - Grace Slick & the Mothers of Invention (2:41) 9. Interview - James Brown (3:09) 10. Nagasaki - Cab Calloway & his Orchestra (2:58) 11. PFL (Deambulation Mix) - Nurse With Wound (5:05) 12. Wimoweh - Yma Sumac (2:40) 13. Defecting Grey - The Pretty Things (5:14) 14. Little Bird - Beach Boys (2:00) 15. The Fuzz and the Oud Part 1 - John Berberian and Middle Eastern Rock Ensemble (3:17) 16. The Fuzz and the Oud Part 2 - John Berberian and Middle Eastern Rock Ensemble (3:06) 17. Dazzling Stranger (live) - Wizz Jones (3:16) 18. Hangin' Around Boudon - Dicky Wells & his Orch. feat. Django Reinhardt (2:55) 19. God Made Me Funky - The Headhunters (9:39) 20. I Choose Not To Smoke - Anonymous (2:55) 11-06-2000 fur Miriam und Jackson Marius Ergo wrote: > Grant Green - Idle Moments > Wayne Shorter - Speak no Evil > Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz > Miles - ESP/Nefertiti > Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch > Albert Ayler - Love Cry > Bill Evans - Interplay > John Coltrane - A Love Supreme > Wes Montgomery - Full House > Hank Mobley - Workout > > __ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: Best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 21:08:26 -0600 i have trouble staying current, so here are my favorite purchases this year: cds Les Diaboliques, LIVE AT THE RHINEFALLS -- perhaps the only jazz band to name check R.D. Laing? at one point Leandre, Nicols, and Schweizer shriek and cackle like witches, as if answering the question, "what kind of woman would make music like this?" wonderful. Heiner Goebbels, SURROGATE CITIES -- the first track with the loops of cantorial singing is worth the price alone. Anthony and the Johnsons, s/t -- i've seen this advertised as gothic caberet music, and i think the description fits. Steamboat Switzerland, LIVE -- drums, organ, and electric bass. they kick MMW's ass. most tracks are by stephan wittwer and have a metal feel. i saw them live a few months ago and they were incredible, esp lucas niggli. i think the next album is coming out on grob. Stangl/Kurzmann, SCHNEE Efzeg, GRAIN Olaf Rupp, LIFE SCIENCE Carl/Augst/Korn, BLANK Legendary Pink Dots, CANTA MIENTRAS PUEDAS Phil Ochs, BEST OF In Gowan Ring, O'ER THE GLINTING BLADE Novy Svet, FACCIA A FACCIA Outkast, AQUEMINI books Raymond Federman, DOUBLE OR NOTHING; TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT Thomas Bernhard, THE LIME WORKS -- he is my favorite writer. long monologues, very bitter and funny. i believe there's a quotation from one of his books in the liners to Dafeldecker/Fussenegger "Bogengage." Richard Grossman, THE ALPHABET MAN; THE BOOK OF LAZARUS Fanny Howe, THE DEEP NORTH; IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE Chris Krause, I LOVE DICK Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Best of recent Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:16:26 -0500 Ok, here goes with things I bought this year, some of which which were released this year: Jon Rose and Otomo Yishide Marc Ribot - Muy Divertido Susie Ibarra - Radiance Kazutaki Umezu - Live at Knitting Factory Hamid Drake/Borah Bergman - Reflections on Ornette Jon Rose - Fringe John Zorn - Live in Seville Tim Sparks - Sanz Bob Ostertag - Sooner or Later Beck - Midnight Vultures Arsenio Rodriguez - Oyo Como Dice Daniel Johnston - FUN Tim Sparks - Neshamah Music of Islam - Music of the South Sinai Bedouins Joe Morris - Many Rings Recommended: Anything with Hamid Drake, anything with Arnold Dreyblatt, anything with John Oswald!! Oh, I forgot anything with Phil Niblock (especially video productions.) Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: niblock (was Re: Best of recent) Date: 20 Dec 2000 22:41:28 EST In a message dated 12/20/00 10:15:44 PM, toulab@msn.com writes: << Oh, I forgot anything with Phil Niblock (especially video productions.) >> for anyone in NYC, Niblock's annual celebration of the winter solstice is tomorrow night, six hours of music and film/video, from 6-midnight. 224 Centre St., 3rd floor, $4.99. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: best of 2000 Date: 20 Dec 2000 23:12:15 EST Here's my top ten CDS of 2000 list that I just sent my best friend: 1. Billy Bragg/Wilco -- Mermaid Avenue 2: Believe the hype: It IS better than the first one (which was my favorite album of 1998). 2. Masada -- Live in Sevilla 2000: I saw them in Newport over the summer and they just killed every other band on the bill. 3. Marvin Pontiac -- Greatest Hits: Tom Waits meets Isaac Hayes meets the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Funky, ambient, jazzy, sexy and fun. 4. Steve Earle -- Transcendental Blues: Earle's best album. 5. Jerry Garcia, David Grisman, Tony Rice -- Pizza Tapes: This long-bootlegged gem was finally officially released. For those who don't know, this is a recording of the trio fooling around, playing a bunch of their favorite tunes. A pizza delivery boy stole the tape and circulated it among Dead fans for years. No fancy production, no gimmicks, no editing out missteps or fuck-ups, this is a great collection of stripped down songs. If you're familiar with and like Garcia/Grisman "Shady Grove," you'll love this. It's the same groove with added guitar wizardry from Tony Rice, and a jaw-dropping version of Miles Davis' "So What." 6. Danny Zamir -- Satlah: This guy's only nineteen and has the tone and feel of a seasoned veteran saxophonist. It swings, it grooves, it makes you want to dance. 7. John Zorn -- Filmworks 9, Trembling Before G-d: Pianist/organist Jamie Saft and clarinetist Chris Speed duet on a series of new pieces commissioned by filmmakers for a documentary about the gay Hassidic community. Subtle, lyrical, adventurous and achingly beautiful. Two tracks feature a guest appearance by ace percussionist Cyro Baptista and one track features a cameo by John Zorn (on vocals!). 8. Roy Nathanson -- Fire At Keaton's Bar and Grill: Though Elvis Costello steals the show, I like the whole damn thing. 9. Johnny Cash -- American III: It's astounding enough that he's recording. It's even more astounding that the album is this good. 10. In His Own Sweet Way, A Tribute To Dave Brubeck: More than just a rehash of old standards, this collection reinterprets Brubeck oeuvre with dignity, ambitiousness, and humor. Featuring an all star avant jazz cast including Dave Douglas, Uri Caine, the Sex Mob, David Krakauer, Joey Baron, Bill Frisell (on the gorgeous "Summer Song"; listen and hear where Elvis stole the melody for "Having It All"), M,M&W, Pachora, the Ruins, Slowpoke, David Slusser, Anthony Coleman, Erik Friedlander, and Eyvind Kang, this is the best tribute album I've heard in a long time. Honorable mentions: Aimee Mann Bachelor #2. (This would have made the top ten had it been tagged "2000." I love this album. It's the second best pop record of 2000, right after BB/Wilco.) Pharoah's Daughter "Out of the Reeds" John Zorn "Cartoon/S&M" Dave Douglas "Soul On Soul" Dave Douglas "Leap of Faith" Dave Douglas "A Thousand Evenings" Marty Ehrlich "Sojourn" Ned Rothenberg "Ghost Stories" Badlands: A Tribute to Bruce Springsteen's "Nebraska" Stolen Roses: A Tribute to the songs of the Grateful Dead Brad Mehldau "Places" Waco Brothers "Electric Waco Chair" Best Reissues: Miles Davis/John Coltrane "Complete Columbia Recordings" John Zorn "The Big Gundown 15th Anniversary Edition" Jelly Roll Morton Box Set Happy New Year! Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Best of Y2K Date: 21 Dec 2000 15:15:45 +1030 My hat tips for the following: 1) Estradasphere, Its understood (WebOfMimicry) 2) Eyvind Kang, Story of Icelund (Tzadik) 3) Kent, Hangesta Hill (English laguage version) 4) Badly Drawn Boy, cant remeber thier albums name. 5) Warren Zevon, Lifell Kill ya Yeh not much jazz, to many pop records to denigrate in the press. Live stuff: Fantomas Mr Bungle=20 Fantomas Parlour All seen in Adelaide South Australia "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=B4s_Wild_Years?= Date: 21 Dec 2000 02:03:24 -0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C06AF2.33A11B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a local (argentinian) music store there=B4s a boxed set comprising = "The Best of Frank Sinatra=B4s Columbia Years". Since it's on sale, I = thought about giving it a chance but I haven't heard anything from this = period, and everyone seems to agree that he put out his best stuff while = he was on Reprise, so I thought about asking you people what do you = think were his best years, and if you think this collection is worth = the money. Thanks in advance and Feliz A=F1o Nuevo. 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Phil Ochs - Rehearsals For Retirement/Gunfight At Carnegie Hall, Pleasures Of The Harbor, Tape From California (Collectors' Choice) 4. Earle Brown - Collected Early Works (CRI) 5. Leo Cuypers - Heavy Days Are Here Again (Atavistic/Unheard Music) 6. Tom Lehrer - The Remains of Tom Lehrer (Rhino) 7. Peter Brotzmann/Misha Mengelberg/Han Bennink - 3 Points And A Mountain...Plus (FMP) 8. Dreamies - s/t (GearFab) 9. Malvina Reynolds - Ear To The Ground (Smithsonian Folkways) 10. Jandek - Living In A Moon So Blue, Six And Six, Later On (Corwood) The Faust Box might end up on this list too, but I just bought it today. -- Charles - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: Re(2): black saint @ cyber sale Date: 20 Dec 2000 23:09:31 -0800 Jeffcalt@aol.com writes: >Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes: >> the leaders - out here like this: average, not spectacular. chico >freeman >> sounds like black arthur blythe on tenor.... > >Martin: What do you mean by "Freeman sounds like black Arthur Blythe on >tenor"? Uh ... maybe it's because it IS Black Arthur.... Doh. ... Right now, listening to my Cyber sale copy of The Leaders' "Unforeseen Blessings," charming, more of a miniatures approach (13 cuts, 4 under two minutes), definitely more interesting than "out here like this." ... thru the first eight cuts tho, very little Lester.... my favs of the year would include: lacy/rudd "monk's dream" bailey/tacuma/weston "mirakle" tomasz stanko "over the green hill" satoko fujii "double take" and many more if stopped to think, which i'm obviously not doing this week.... martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Bailey Date: 21 Dec 2000 08:04:53 +0100 From EUCLID RECORDS orders@euclidrecords.com: Re: new arrivals 12/20/00 pt. 1 (used lp's) > JAZZ 9.99 BAILEY DEREK/MIN TANAKA MUSIC AND DANCE INCUS S M-/M- > ENGLAND I don't think this was ever out on Incus. Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Akosh S. Date: 21 Dec 2000 11:28:24 +0100 >From: Tim Blechmann > >Akosh S. is a hungarian (?) saxophone player, who lives in Paris (as >far as I know). He combines Coltrane's or Sander's power, Free Jazz, >and east european traditional music. I first heard him two years ago >at Saalfelden, Austria. IMO he is one of the greatest contemporary >tenorsax players. You like Coltrane? Then try his music. IMO he >continues Coltranes work after his "Expressions" or "Stellar Regions". I´ll second this recommendation, but it´s a live band for sure. There´s another influence in the band from an irish violin and second sax player. Very unusual mix but the late Coltrane was my first impression too - one of the very rare discoveries in the last years. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: best 2000 Date: 21 Dec 2000 15:22:34 +0100 best releases 2000 (alphabetical): Fred Anderson - The Milwaukee Tapes (Atavistic) Susana Baca - Eco De Sombras (Luaka Bop) Sussan Deyhim - Madman Of God (Crammed) Bill Dixon - Berlin Abbozzi (FMP) Fred Frith - Traffic Continues (Winter & Winter) Italian Instabile Orchestra - Litania Sibilante (Enja) Konk Pack - Big Deep (Grob) John Lindberg - A Tree Frog Tonality (Between The Lines) Sun Ra - Lanquidity (Evidence) Jamie Saft - Sovlanut (Tzadik) Pharoah Sanders - Spirits (Meta) Sexmob - Solid Sender (Knitting Factory) David Shea/Scanner - Free Chocolate Love (Sub Rosa) Leo Smith - Golden Quartet (Tzadik) Tosca - Suzuki (G-Stone) Gianluigi Trovesi/Gianni Coscia - In Cerca Di Cibo (ECM) Vandermark/Drake/McBride - Spaceways Incorporated (Atavistic) Vandermark Five - Free Jazz Classics (Atavistic) We - Decentertainment (Liquid Sky) Kahil El´Zabar The Ritual - Africa N´Da Blues (Delmark) John Zorn - Big Gundown (Tzadik) best discovered 2000: Ruediger Carl - Book (FMP, 1998) David Coulter - Intervention (Young God, 1999) Malachi Favors - Natural & The Spiritual (AEC, 1977) Alan Licht/Loren Mazzacane Connors - Hoffman Estates (Drag City, 1998) Sound in Action Trio - Design in Time (Delmark, 1999) best concerts (chronological): DKV (Ulrichsberg) AALY Trio & Ken Vandermark (Hofheim) The Ex Orkest (Moers) Shibusashirazu Orchestra (Moers) Marc Ribot (Heidelberg) Irene Schweizer-Hamid Drake (Nickelsdorf) Minton/Teitelbaum/Zingaro/Drake/Mueller (Nickelsdorf) Naftule´s Dream (Heidelberg) Sex Mob (Saalfelden) Four Walls (Saalfelden) Konk Pack (Wels) Spaceheads (Wels) Broetzmann/Vandermark/Kessler/Mulvenna (Mainz) The Necks (Mainz) most disappointing concerts: Uri Caine Goldberg Variations (Saalfelden) Bill Frisell The Sweetest Punch (Frankfurt) Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 21 Dec 2000 09:48:53 -0500 On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 11:34:39PM -0600, Charles Gillett wrote: > 9. Malvina Reynolds - Ear To The Ground (Smithsonian Folkways) Ooh, hadn't heard about this. It's popping onto my must-get list. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given Subject: Schlippenbach (was Re: 2000) Date: 21 Dec 2000 08:06:34 -0800 > From: Scott Handley > Subject: Re: BEST OF 2000 > > - --- Dan Given wrote: > > Alexander von Schlippenbach -- Light Blue (Enja) > > Joelle Leandre/Tetsu Saitoh -- Joelle et Tetsu > > (Omba) > > What's this Schlippenbach like? For whatever reason, > it seem like an unusual prospect for Enja to release > Schlip. And how's that Leandre/Saitoh? Light Blue is subtitled Schlippenbach plays Monk. It is a really good straight ahead jazz album, with Ino Nubiyoshi on bass and Sunny Murray on drums. If you are familiar with Smoke (the Schlippenbach/Murray duo on FMP) then imagine that with a bassist. Though on the surface AvS seems an odd person to record for Enja, it fits right in to their catalogue. Schlippenbach is, in my opinion, one of the "avant garde" players who most has the ability to work closely in the jazz tradition; his playing and composing can both be seen as extensions of Monk, in the same way that Misha Mengelberg can be rooted in Herbie Nichols. I think the stuff that most blows me away are the compositions on the Backgrounds for Improvisers, which are very Monk-ish. I'm curious about the Schlippenbach 3 (or is it 4?) disc on Atavistic. Anyone here heard it and want to recommend it? How's the performance, sound, etc. I haven't gotten around to picking it up yet. And, to answer Scott's question, the Leandre/Siatoh disc is sheer beauty. Two virtuoso players in complete harmony. One of my favorite Leandre discs. Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: top 15 Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:19:25 -0400 Okay - it's all starting to blur together - but thanks to everyone else who's posted 'best of' lists my 'wanted Cd's' list has increased substantially. For what it's worth here's my top 15 of the year the - the top 5 are in no particular order! 15. The Fonda/Stevens Group - Live at the Bunker 14. Vandermark 5 - Burn the Incline 13. Susie Ibarra - Flower after Flower 12. Joe Morris - Live at the Knitting Factory 11. Blonde Redhead - Melody of Certain Damaged Lemons 10. Dave Douglas - A thousand Evenings 9. Chicago Underground Trio - Flamethrower 8. Thomas lehn/Marcus Schmickler - Bart 7. Mats Gustafsson/Flaten/Nilssen-love - The Thing 6. Dean Roberts - And the Black Moth plays the Grand Cinema 5. Stockhausen and Walkman - Organ Transplants Vol 2 4. Bill Dixon - Berlin Abbozzi 3. Burnt Friedman - Con Ritmo 2. Jim Black - Alas No Axis 1. Fred Frith - Traffic Continues Top 2 Albums from 1999 that I am still listening to in 2000 1. John Wall - Constructions I-IV 2. Arto Lindsay - the prize Top 2 Albums that have just been released in 2000 that I'm almost positive would have been in my top 15 if I had heard them 1. Joe Mcphee/Hamid Drake (new on Okka) 2. Ellery Eskelin Trio - Secret Museum (new on Hatology) Actually, has anyone heard either of these 2 new releases??? wudzy. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: 60's jazz Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:15:46 +0100 I just want to add: John Coltrane - Ascension John Coltrane - Live in Japan Pharoah Sanders - Karma Carla Bley - Escalator over the hills Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage Cannonball Adderley - Mercy, Mercy, Mercy Early 70's, but you can call it 60's jazz: Sun Ra - Space is the place Keith Jarrett - Death And The Flower PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert van Heumen" Subject: Re: top 15 Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:35:03 +0100 > 1. Fred Frith - Traffic Continues oops, missed that one! i wonder if i heard this music at this modern dance performance? is it very soundtrack-like? with traffic sounds, distorted guitar, cello? ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... ............... ...... ......... ......... ......... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Frank=?ISO-8859-1?B?tA==?=s Wild Years Date: 21 Dec 2000 09:34:21 -0800 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3060236061_36478_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 12/20/00 9:03 PM, Gabriel Lichtmann at la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar wrote: On a local (argentinian) music store there=B4s a boxed set comprising "The Best of Frank Sinatra=B4s Columbia Years". Since it's on sale, I thought abou= t giving it a chance but I haven't heard anything from this period, and everyone seems to agree that he put out his best stuff while he was on Reprise, so I thought about asking you people what do you think were his best years, and if you think this collection is worth the money. Thanks in advance and Feliz A=F1o Nuevo. =20 LA LICHUZA I prefer the 'Capital' years - which was roughly around 1951 to 1961. That period I think is what made him great. For my own taste the Columbia years are too big bandish. But if you prefer the big band era, or the smooth as silk voice of Sinatra go for it. But I like the whisky drenched vocal cord= s of mid-life crisis Sinatra. --=20 Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com --MS_Mac_OE_3060236061_36478_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Frank=B4s Wild Years on 12/20/00 9:03 PM, Gabriel Lichtmann at la_lichuza@bancaria.net.ar wrote:=

  On a local (argentinian) music stor= e there=B4s a boxed set comprising "The Best of Frank Sinatra=B4s Columbia = Years". Since it's on sale, I thought about giving it a chance but I ha= ven't heard anything from this period, and everyone seems to agree that he p= ut out his best stuff while he was on Reprise, so I thought about asking you= people what do you think were his best years, and if  you think this c= ollection is worth the money.
  Thanks in advance and Feliz A=F1o Nuevo.
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I prefer the 'Capital' years - which was roughly around 1951 to 1961.  = ;That period I think is what made him great.  For my own taste the Colu= mbia years are too big bandish.  But if you prefer the big band era, or= the smooth as silk voice of Sinatra go for it.  But I like the whisky = drenched vocal cords of mid-life crisis Sinatra.


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All the best, Diego - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: strings decision Date: 21 Dec 2000 12:44:15 EST In a message dated 12/21/00 12:40:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, diego.gruber@chello.at writes: << Hi list, which one would you recommend to buy first, Cartoon S&M or The String Quartets? All the best, Diego >> Cartoon/S&M Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: strings decision Date: 21 Dec 2000 14:52:56 -0300 Both of them. Don't worry about your money... Hugo Linares. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Diego Gruber [SMTP:diego.gruber@chello.at] > Enviado el: Jueves 21 de Diciembre de 2000 2:46 PM > Para: Zorn list > Asunto: strings decision > > Hi list, which one would you recommend to buy first, Cartoon S&M or The > String Quartets? > > All the best, > > Diego > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Christian Marclay and "The Sounds of Christmas" on NPR!!! Date: 21 Dec 2000 10:08:40 -0800 Yes, while driving to work that morning I had the agreable surprise to hear about "The Sounds of Christmas" by Christian Marclay (performance at the New Museum of Contemporary Art) on NPR! I almost started to enjoy Christmas carrols. Here is a great idea for Marclay: put out a record of this performance and, if we are lucky, some stores might play it next year to allow the "rest of us" to do Christmas shopping without feeling too nauseated :-). Patrice (who can't stand still after receiving his Verlag order!!!). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: top 15 (questions) Date: 21 Dec 2000 10:20:46 -0800 (PST) --- Robert van Heumen > ......... > ......... > ......... Robert, could you and/or other list members describe these recordings? I liked Lopez's Untitled 89 okay, though I'm afraid to describe it, or rather its apparent source material, for those who haven't heard Lopez before for fear of giving up the "surprise". It's a big crescendo/diminuendo and demands a full hour in order for one to let one's hearing dissolve and compare the presence and absence of sound. I'm not trying to sound theoretical; Lopez is better at that, anyway. Think of it as a sound environment. Anyway, I was intrigued by the description of the Dousidz on Tzadik; is the one above the Tzadik release? And what are the other two like? Thanks, ----s, gifts for family already bought, thank god __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Best of 2000 Date: 21 Dec 2000 11:07:15 -0800 OK, so here's my list. I should note that I bought a lot fewer CD's this year than previously, mainly due to poverty and changing a few priorities. In no particular order: Splattercell::OAH: David Torn's latest, and his best work ever. Less overtly a guitar CD than before, just a really great disc of electronic stuff that's also very well composed, a rarity in the field. The "REmiksis" disc is also quite nice. Wayne Horvitz: American Bandstand: Acoustic Zony Mash, and one of the most beutiful things I've heard in ages. Much deeper than the typical ZM. The Tone Sharks: Chunks of Zen: I don't normally promote music that I'm involved with (I mastered this and the band are very good friends and collaborators), but I think this is a terrific disc. The Tone Sharks are a local Corvallis, OR institution, they do a weekly Monday night free-improv session at a coffeehouse, and on a good night, the audience might outnumber the band (usually a quintet). Drummer Dave Storrs is the bandleader, you might remember him from the Rob Blakeslee disc that wqas discussed here a while back. This is free improvised electric jazz, with a subtlety usually lacking in the genre. If they were 25 and from Chicago, the Wire would probably be all over this. On Louie records (louirec@peak.org) Mike Ladd: Welcome to the Afterfuture: For me, this is the best rap disc since Fear of a Black Planet. Ladd is musically adventurous, his lyrics are clever and literate, and he generally has something to say. Great stuff. Medeski, Martin and Wood: The Dropper: I normally detest this band. Medeski is a great keyboardist, but I've hated everything of theirs I've ever heard. Until this. The Dropper has the kind of smoldering evil grooves that Miles perfected on Dark Magus and Pangea, and this kind of darkness is generally missing from the new crop of electric Miles tribute bands. Plus, this has the nastiest drum sound I've ever heard on a Blue Note discs, Rudy Van Gelder is probably spinning in his grave. I've only been listening to this for a few days, but I am really digging it. Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix. As long as Laswell keeps releasing something this good every year, I'll keep sifting through his dross. Graham Haynes: BPM. As much as I like Haynes' playing on other people's discs (he almost rescues Operazone, almost), his previous solo discs haven't quite worked for me. On BPM, he makes one of the best jazz meets drum 'n bass discs yet, with a totally beutiful acoustic guitar/trumpet duet on a Wagner piece for relief. Chicago Underground Duo: Synesthesia: The best thing I've heard yet from Rob Mazurek, at least on record. Reissues: Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury: The Columbia lp box of this was my introduction to Partch, and it remains my favorite of his larger works. The CD lacks the lp of Partch speaking about and demonstrating his instruments, which is a shame, but it's great to have this available again. Ohm: Early Guru's of Electronic Music: A totally essential compilation of early electronic music that stands up on a musical level as well as having great historical value. The Faust box would probably make this list, but the copy I ordered hasn't arrived yet! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: hinton obit Date: 21 Dec 2000 14:27:00 -0500 (ndy) (ATTN: Entertainment editors) Jazz Bassist Milt Hinton, 90, Dies (New York) By Gene Seymour (c) 2000, Newsday NEW YORK - Milt Hinton, the redoubtable, beloved jazz bassist whose career encompassed the music's history from swing to bop and beyond, died Tuesday at the age of 90. Hinton died at Mary Immaculate Hospital in Queens after a long illness. Nicknamed "the Judge" by generations of fellow musicians, Hinton was just as celebrated for his black-and-white photographs taken throughout his 70-year career of jazz artists backstage, off-stage or between recorded takes. More than 60,000 exposures exist in Hinton's archives and his pictures have been exhibited throughout the world. Both Hinton's bass playing and what he'd always called his "hobby" of taking pictures shared similar qualities of unobtrusive technique and indefatigable timing. Born June 23, 1910 in Vicksburg, Miss., Hinton grew up in Chicago where he started out freelancing as a bass player for such bandleaders as Jabbo Smith, Zutty Singelton and Fate Marable. In 1936, he signed up with Cab Calloway's band where he continued to work for the next 15 years. Dizzy Gillespie, Chu Berry, Jonah Jones were among the luminaries who played in Calloway's band during those years. From the mid-1930s through the early 1950s, Hinton had also recorded with such artists as Benny Goodman, Billie Holiday, Lionel Hampton, Lester Young and Coleman Hawkins. He had also taken part in some of the earliest bebop sessions in the 1940s with Gillespie and others who brought modernist invention to jazz music. After leaving Calloway's band in 1951, Hinton returned to the free-lance life, making a living and establishing a reputation as the professional bassist's professional bassist. His versatility allowed him to play commercial jingles and movie scores as deftly and as seamlessly as he could play with such diverse musicians as Louis Armstrong, Count Basie, Thelonious Monk, Clark Terry and John Coltrane. Such wide-ranging work created more opportunities for Hinton to take candid photos of these and other jazz artists in varied moods. One of his most famous sequences of photos captured Holiday at her final recording session, in 1958, for "Lady in Satin." Hinton, who was working on that album, took pictures of the singer's melancholy, almost tortured expressions as she was listening to a playback of one of her ballads. These and other photos were collected in a 1988 autobiography, "Bass Line: The Stories and Photographs of Milt Hinton" and a 1991 sequel, "Over Time: The Jazz Photography of Milt Hinton," both published by Temple University Press. Hinton taught music at Hunter College in the mid-1970s and also served less formally as a mentor and inspiration to younger bassists. Many of these players, including Ron Carter, Christian McBride, Richard Davis, Jay Leonhart, Kyle Eastwood and John Clayton, showed their gratitude to Hinton at a 90th birthday concert at last summer's JVC Jazz Festival. He received eight honorary doctorates, a "Eubie" award from the New York chapter of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences and a Living Treasure award from the Smithsonian Institution. He is survived by his wife, Mona, and daughter Charlotte and granddaughter Inez Mona, both of Atlanta. Distributed by the Los Angeles Times-Washington Post News Service - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: exorkest Date: 21 Dec 2000 14:37:02 -0500 andreas listed as a top concert of the year The Ex Orkest (Moers). what was this? an orchestral version of the band the ex, or am i leaping here? thanks kg np: richard zimmerman - the complete works of scott joplin, disc 2 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: special offer on Bobby Previte's web site... Date: 21 Dec 2000 11:39:21 -0800 I don't know if my message went throught or not, so here we go again. Patrice. Finally some activity on Bobby Previte's web site. Under the name "chance", Bobby makes the following offer: "LIMITED EDITION CD OFFER This is the first in a series of CD's which be sold only on the web. Each CD is a highest quality recording by Bongo Dali and Key Command, collecti- vely known as Swami Late Plate. These recordings will be collectors items as quantities will be limited. Each CD is hand signed by the artists. CD number one, "CANTO I" is available now. Click below to download a sample. [buttons to select among three samples] Does anybody know about this "Swami Late Plate"? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: schlippenbach Date: 21 Dec 2000 14:45:42 -0500 danasked: I'm curious about the Schlippenbach 3 (or is it 4?) disc on Atavistic. Anyone here heard it and want to recommend it? How's the performance, sound, etc. I haven't gotten around to picking it up yet. it's a quartet. i'm not familiar with schlippenbach, so it's hard to say much about it in light of his other work. but i think it's a great disk -- tight band (with evan parker and paul lovens!), and the sound quality is fine. maybe not pristeen to digital ears, but warm and good. kg np: zony mash - brand spankin' new - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Death Metal Artists Date: 21 Dec 2000 16:10:15 EST For whoever's interested: >seeking death metal artists > >Hi, > > We are looking for death metal artists to appear on our compilation. If > you or anyone you know would >be interested in more information please have them contact us or visit the >link below. > >http://www.houseofjordan.ordan.com>com > >Also, we just released a 10 cd boxset with over 200 indie artists on it. >It has over 40 unsigned underground death metal artists on it from all over >the world. It's only $39.99 for 10 cds. See our website for more information >http://www.houseofjordan.ordan.com>com > >Thanks for any and all help, >T. Micheal Jordan >House Of Jordan Entertainment >http://www.houseofjordan.ordan.com>com >label@houseofjordan.rdan.com>com ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: cd's i'm wondering about Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:14:51 +0000 hello, does anyone know these following albums ... Jimi Tenor : Out of nowheres is there alot of "funk" on this album, i like the idea that it's a full pop orchestra album but i read something that mentioned some funk stuff in it. that i don't like as much. Between Heaven and Earth Traditional music of Bali Maher Shalal Hash Baz: From a Summer to another Summer John Cale : Paris 1919 Ohm: Early Guru's of Electronic Music (how is this package?) that kronos Quartet album of a Feldman piece is Stockhausen's HYMEN a hard thing to find now a days? John Fahey's Voice of the Turtle is there a good recording of zen buddist music out there? thanks, martin dupuis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: cd's i'm wondering about Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:16:05 -0800 On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:14:51 +0000 Philippe Dupuis wrote: > > is Stockhausen's HYMEN a hard thing to find now a days? I ordered four records to Stockhausen's Verlag (including the 4xCD HYMNEN) and they arrived yesterday. You could also get it from EMF, but at a higher price. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: cd's i'm wondering about Date: 21 Dec 2000 15:33:55 -0500 On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 05:14:51PM +0000, Philippe Dupuis wrote: > that kronos Quartet album of a Feldman piece That's a good one -- though I preferred a radio broadcast I'd heard of the same piece. > is Stockhausen's HYMEN a hard thing to find now a days? Probably on Virgin Records (*ducking*) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paisley Fripp Subject: top 10 od '00 Date: 21 Dec 2000 13:25:23 -0800 (PST) 1. Squarepusher - "Selection Sixteen" 2. u-ziq - "Lunatic Harness" 2. Diamanda Galas - "Malediction and Prayer" 4. Secret Chiefs 3 - "Eyes of Flesh, Eyes of Flame" 5. Eric Dolphy - "The Illinois Concert" 6. Elliott Sharp - "Field and Stream" 7. Cabbageboy - "Genetically Modified" 8. Napalm Death - "Words From the Exit Wound" 9. Charles Mingus - "Ah Um, Mingus" 10. Slew of Mothers of Invention albums (hey, I'm a quarter of a century old), which, to my chagrin, I found out that there really weren't that many of. Speaking of the Mothers, does anybody know what happened to the vocalist Ray Collins after "Cruisin' With Ruben and the Jets"? He had such a great voice. I've found myself frequently wishing that F.Z., God bless him, would have relegated laryngeal duties more often to R.C.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Phil Niblock- China and Sunsets Date: 21 Dec 2000 16:42:14 -0500 Just bought a video cassette from Forced Exposure called China and Sunsets. Amazing!!! Phil Niblock does both audio and video. The setting is in several parts of China and consists of Chinese folks in various labor tasks. Not for everyone, but if you dig Phil, it is essential. Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: top 10 od '00 Date: 21 Dec 2000 15:45:20 -0500 On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:25:23PM -0800, Paisley Fripp wrote: > Speaking of the Mothers, does anybody know what > happened to the vocalist Ray Collins after "Cruisin' > With Ruben and the Jets"? He had such a great voice. > I've found myself frequently wishing that F.Z., God > bless him, would have relegated laryngeal duties more > often to R.C.. See the discography at http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~splat/Ray_Collins.html -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert van Heumen" Subject: Re: top 15 (questions) Date: 21 Dec 2000 22:52:17 +0100 ......... this is actually the first thing i heard from him. it's neither the noise nor the almost absolute silence i expected. it reminded me much of gas (mike ink, voigt) in the way his music sounds repeating at first, but then slowly you discover the variations. the sounds used are much like vinyl crackles, which mingle nicely with the real vinyl crickling. now i'm getting curious to hear his other stuff, but it's difficult to get here in amsterdam... ......... this is my absolute favorite! it's rock, but then the tzadik kind. catching melodies, but also weird noise in between. and sexy vocals. and yes, it is on tzadik. i think this is their first and only release. i also heard melt banana/teeny shiny, but that was too 'thrashy' for me. at least at first listen, they're still on my to-get list... ......... more like the digital glitch kind of thing, mixed with the innocent melodies like those of plone and styrofoam. ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... ............... ...... ......... ......... ......... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: cd's i'm wondering about Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:02:52 -0500 At 05:14 PM 12/21/00 +0000, Philippe Dupuis wrote: > >is Stockhausen's HYMEN a hard thing to find now a days? Very easy (although not necessarily cheap). http://www.stockhausen.org, send him a check, wait eight weeks, voila. The old vinyl version shows up regularly on ebay, but the cd set has hymnen accompanied by his improvising group, which was never released on vinyl (AFAIK). There's also a separate cd of the Third Region with orchestra, which I haven't heard. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Estradasphere...not best in 2000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:33:50 +1030 Hi all, I am wondering why i didnt see more mentions of the band = Estradasphere's debut album in the 2K lists? Is this album considered a "wank" or something, I really like it with = the exception of the length of the openening track, surely 20 mins on a = kinda avant-rock album it too long. Maybe I had been listenenign to too = much naked city before hand. Case =20 "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Things too look forward to in 2001? Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:41:32 +1030 Hi all, Wondered if anyone would like to mention a few things they are lookng = froward to in 2001, in terms of music issued and performance. Tie to = stat budgeting for those "Must have" discs. Things I have heard about/am looking forward to. Secret Cheifs 3, possibly 2 new records. Morrissey:Irish Blood, English Heart ( a deal sighned this week = apparently)with Moby producing) David Bowie:Toy plus the completion of t he "Outside trilogy" Estradasphere: Buck Fever=20 Fantomas, supposedly 2 new records. DJ Eddie Def, a debut record. the Smiths: Complete box set. Eyvind Kang: possibly 2 new albums FORMS, opefully a debut full length release thats a god start "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Estradasphere...not best in 2000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 12:20:16 +1100 << I am wondering why i didnt see more mentions of the band Estradasphere's debut album in the 2K lists? Is this album considered a "wank" or something, I really like it with the exception of the length of the openening track, surely 20 mins on a kinda avant-rock album it too long. Maybe I had been listenenign to too much naked city before hand. >> I'm thinking firstly that not that many people have it to start with. I do, but even then I forgot all about it when compiling my list, so didn't even consider it. Even if I had, however, I probably wouldn't have included anyway. I like the ideas (I was a big fan of the Don Salsa album and a few of the ideas have been recycled) but I think they need to hone their arrangement skills, as you point out the opening track is too long and a few others could do with some work too. And while I'm at it, I also don't think all of the performances on the album are all that great - in particular, the violinist always sounds a bit scratchy and out of tune to me... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: greetings Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:39:18 -0800 (PST) hello...i'm new to the list but not to zorn's work...my name is pak (pronounced "pock") and i live in tallassee, alabama (a tiny town that probably no one has ever heard of)... i have a question...i'm going to be attending the bar korbha ( i know that is spelled wrong, sorry) show at tonic on new year's eve in new york city...does anyone know much about this venue?...i've seen zorn at the knitting factory and the cat's cradle in chapel hill and he seems to have a knack for playing at good venues...also, i was wondering if anyone knows about mr. zorn's attitude towards the taping of his live shows, as i would like to tape this new year's eve show if possible... it is a honor to be on this list and i hope i didn't offend anyone with horrible spelling and such...english is a second language to me and i apologize in advance... i would also like to extend holiday greetings to all on the list...thank you! pak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: best of 2000 (almost) Date: 21 Dec 2000 20:34:00 -0800 (PST) hi again...my list of best albums in 2000 is as follows and i'm not really sure if all of these were released in 2000 or not...but i think they are good and if you don't have them, give them a chance...this is no particular order...here goes... radiohead: kid a john zorn: xu feng eugene chadbourne: baptist church medeski martin and wood: the dropper john frusciante: niandra lades and usually just a t-shirt sonic youth: nyc ghosts and flowers john zorn: book of heads there are some others i have neglected to mention, but i take a lot of psychiatric medication, so forgive me... pak "life's a bath, sex is water..." -- john frusciante __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: another best album i forgot to mention Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) heloo...i forgot to mention "69 love songs" by the magnetic fields...it is very rare for me to listen to three CDs by the same band in a row, but stephin merritt is in my opinion our generation's brian wilson and cole porter rolled into one...also a mention for the joy division 4 CD box set and the five CD captain beefheart box set "grow fins"...i think that is it... pak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: best of 2000 (almost) Date: 22 Dec 2000 16:15:20 +1100 > medeski martin and wood: the dropper I just saw the credits for this album at CDnow, and it said that all tracks were by Medeski. Is this right? Isn't MMW's stuff usually by all three members? Could this be a reason why this one is getting more favourable reviews? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Re: best of 2000 (almost) Date: 22 Dec 2000 00:33:11 -0500 it's incredibly nice to find another john frusciante fan on this list. his music has touched me in ways that i never knew was possible. though this album was released YEARS ago.....it should be at the top of anyones "best of" list. anyway, i don't really remember why i started to write this, but if you don't have one of his albums...definitely check one out. > john frusciante: niandra lades and usually just a > t-shirt > > "life's a bath, sex is water..." -- john frusciante - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: best of 2000 (almost) Date: 22 Dec 2000 00:24:26 -0500 Hello Julian, Friday, December 22, 2000, you wrote to me: >> medeski martin and wood: the dropper J> I just saw the credits for this album at CDnow, and it said that all tracks J> were by Medeski. Is this right? Isn't MMW's stuff usually by all three J> members? Could this be a reason why this one is getting more favourable J> reviews? Definitely it is not right. All compositions are by MMW except "Note Bleu" which is certainly the main hit on the album and it is by John Medeski. I wonder why so many people mentioned "The Dropper". What about "Tonic" which was released this year too? -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: the new year's tonic show Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:48:57 -0800 (PST) hello...been drinking lots of coffee and reading emails...i am happy that some of you have replied to my emails...i have a question...is anyone on the list going to the new year's eve tonic show in nyc?...if so, reply to me personally and perhaps we can meet and have a few drinks or something...i'm going to be staying at the chelsea from the 28th to the 2nd of january with two of my good friends from alabama...this is a special road trip to record music in the hotel and to see john zorn and marc ribot and cyro baptista and so on and so on and et cetera :)...like i said before, please reply to me personally so that we don't clutter up the list...thanks everyone for yr attention!... pak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Howes Subject: top x of the year Date: 21 Dec 2000 22:00:36 -0800
 OK thought I'd throw my top 20 or so out since everyone else was. I didn't see many heavy things. Naked City and Painkiller is how I discovered Zorn. I love it fast and heavy.

mike

Discordance Axis - The Inalienable Dreamless (Hydrahead CD)
Blackalicious - Nia (Quannum=20 CD)
People Like Us - Thermos Explorer (Hot Air CD)
SPLIT: Coalition Against Shane/Thor= - Keepin=92 the Dogs Away (13th Day CD) COLL: Barbaric Thrash Detonation (625 CD and 7=94)
Good Clean Fun - On the Streets Saving the Scene From the Forces of Evil (Phyte CD)
Anthem Eighty Eight - Define A Lifetime (No Idea CD)
What Happens Next? - Stand Fast Armageddon Justice Fighter (Sound Pollution CD)
Plutocracy - Sniping Pigz (Six Weeks CD) 
COLL: Strings and Strings (FBWL CD)
Gaji - Focus\Fluid\Daub (ZK CD)
Walls of Jericho - Bound Feed the Gagged (Trustkill CD)
The Fucking Champs - IV (Drag City CD)
Volapuk - Polyglot (Cuneiform CD)
Farmers Market - Farmers Market (Winter & Winter CD)   NOTE: I can't find this CD anywhere. Suggestions? Ameoba doesn't cary W&W releases. I head it at KZSU.
DJ Cheb I Sabbah  Maha Maya (Six Degrees remix CD)
Negativland  True False Tour (live at Palace of Fine Arts, SF)
COLL: Touch 00 (Touch CD)
Haggard - the Bike City Called (Mr Lady CD)
Christian Marclay/Otomo Yoshihide  Moving Parts (Asphodel CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: any eugene chadbourne recommendations? Date: 21 Dec 2000 22:19:33 -0800 (PST) hello...i'm listening to lacrosse on the right channel only and eugene chadbourne's guitar work is absolutely amazing!...just wondering if anyone on the list can recommend chadbourne CDs...did he work with zorn only in the seventies?...thanks in advance... pak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: Bergman, pak Date: 22 Dec 2000 01:24:39 EST --part1_99.e635866.27744da7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello- i just finished watching ingmar bergman's "through a glass darkly", and i was wondering if any list members had any thoughts on symbolic significance of certain aspects of this movie. if anyone is interested in discussing it, email me privately. by the way, Hello Pak, welcome to the list, and I second the motion of Magnetic Fields' "69 love Songs" greatness. ben o. --part1_99.e635866.27744da7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello-
i just finished watching ingmar bergman's "through a glass darkly", and i was
wondering if any list members had any thoughts on symbolic significance of
certain aspects of this movie. if anyone is interested in discussing it,
email me privately.

by the way, Hello Pak, welcome to the list, and I second the motion of
Magnetic Fields' "69 love Songs" greatness.

ben o.
--part1_99.e635866.27744da7_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Beast of 2000 Fathoms Date: 22 Dec 2000 06:56:58 -0000 Well, who can really resist doing this, so here's some titles that are receiving repeated listenings. However, not all inclusive, lots of great stuff released this year! Iannis Xenakis: Persepolis John Zorn: Filmworks IX, Xu Feng Mohammad Reza Shajarian & Kayhan Kalhor: Night Silence Desert Coil: Constant Shallowness Leads To Evil Michael Riessler: Orange Sonny Simmons: Manhattan Egos Soft Machine: Noisette Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tenet: Stone/Water Raymond Scott: Manhattan Research Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix Peace Out! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: the new year's tonic show Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:48:57 -0800 (PST) hello...been drinking lots of coffee and reading emails...i am happy that some of you have replied to my emails...i have a question...is anyone on the list going to the new year's eve tonic show in nyc?...if so, reply to me personally and perhaps we can meet and have a few drinks or something...i'm going to be staying at the chelsea from the 28th to the 2nd of january with two of my good friends from alabama...this is a special road trip to record music in the hotel and to see john zorn and marc ribot and cyro baptista and so on and so on and et cetera :)...like i said before, please reply to me personally so that we don't clutter up the list...thanks everyone for yr attention!... pak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: exorkest Date: 22 Dec 2000 10:49:12 +0100 >From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com > >andreas listed as a top concert of the year The Ex Orkest (Moers). what was >this? an orchestral version of the band the ex, or am i leaping here? yes you are right. the lineup was : Andy Ex – g; Terrie Ex – g, b; Luc Ex – b; Katrin Bornefeld – perc; GW Sok – voc; Jaap Blonk – voc; Han Buhrs – voc; Michael Moore – cl; Felicity Provan – tp; Roy Paci – tp; Wolter Wierbos – tb; Joost Buis – tb; Ferrie Heyne – tb; Ernst Glerum – double-b; Wilbert de Joode – double-b; Gert-Jan Blom – double-b, bass mouth-organ, bass thumb-piano; Michael Vatcher – perc; Wilf Plum – perc; Jan Mulder – poetry; Hamish McKeich – cond. especially the three vocalists (Jaap Blonk!) and the orchestra - outstanding. A few years ago The Ex played with ICP octet - fantastic too but the Orkest was the peak. I talked with Michael Vatcher and they were doing a concert at the dutch radio the next day but I don´t know if this is or will be released. Andreas PS: www.moers-festival.com/festival/gbex.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 10:10:18 -0000 >Otomo Yoshihide and Ian Kerkhof--Film Music from Shabondama Elegy >(brilliant!) WHat is this? Is it similiar to his other soundtracks released in the past? (Summer Snow for example) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Best of 2000... Date: 22 Dec 2000 11:15:52 +0100 Hi y'all... I also quite like putting together lists, so here I go. (Not all of the CDs were released in 2000, but I bought them this year; in no particular order.) Munadjat Yulchieva, World Network Vol. 38: Uzbekistan, World Network Jamie Saft, Sovlanut, Tzadik The Cure, Bloodflowers, Fiction Napalm Death, Complete Radio One Sessions, Radio One The Young Gods, L'Eau Rouge, Play It Again Sam Masada, Live in Sevilla 2000, Tzadik Terry Bozzio, Drawing the Circle, TB Helge Schneider, The Berlin Tapes (Live), Emi The Quintet, Jazz at Massey Hall, Debut Pierre Boulez, Anton Webern (6 CD Box Set), Gramophon Charles Mingus, Mingus at Antibes, Atlantic Richard Hagopian, Armenian Music Through the Ages, Smithsonian Miles Davis, Kind Of Blue, Columbia patRice np: Masada, Live in Sevilla, Tzadik nr: T. Kitamura, Legacies of the Japanese Tattoo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Things too look forward to in 2001? Date: 22 Dec 2000 11:58:29 +0100 Uri Caine will release a new Mahler recording (W&W) with a group, similar to "Toblach". PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 12:49:06 -0000 >From: "Arthur Gadney" >>Otomo Yoshihide and Ian Kerkhof--Film Music from Shabondama Elegy >>(brilliant!) > >WHat is this? Is it similiar to his other soundtracks released in the past? >(Summer Snow for example) Well I don't know exactly Arthur, not having heard all those other soundtracks yet. I'm holding the liner notes now but they're all in Japanese, which I don't read. It was recorded in July 1999 for this particular film. Most of the tracks were composed by Otomo. A few were also composed by Nakayama Skinpei and Victor Jara. The lineup is Otomo's New Jazz Quintet: Kikuchi Naruyoshi, tenor Tsugami Kenta, alto Otomo, guitar, turntables and electronics Mizutani Kiroaki, contra-bass Yoshigaki Yasuhiro, drums, pocket trumpet Nasuno Mitsuru, electric bass Masuko Tatsuki, electronics and piano Sachiko M, sampler That's more than five obviously but some were only featured on the soundtrack itself. The CD is on Eyewill out of Japan. Some of these artists were on the last Ground Zero concert. You jazz-heads should pay attention to Kikuchi Naruyoshi. This guy can really blow. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:51:57 EST In a message dated 12/22/00 7:50:10 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes: << The lineup is Otomo's New Jazz Quintet: Kikuchi Naruyoshi, tenor Tsugami Kenta, alto Otomo, guitar, turntables and electronics Mizutani Kiroaki, contra-bass Yoshigaki Yasuhiro, drums, pocket trumpet Nasuno Mitsuru, electric bass Masuko Tatsuki, electronics and piano Sachiko M, sampler That's more than five obviously but some were only featured on the soundtrack itself. >> yeah, the first five are the quintet. they have a full CD out on P-Vine early next year. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: RE: any eugene chadbourne recommendations? Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:33:07 -0600 Pak (if that is truly your real name), Chadbourne: All of the Shockabilly material is great, although his guitar work doesn't shine (in a tormented way) as much as in his material on "Country Protest", "Kill Eugene", & the Camper Van Beethoven stuff. I saw him with Jim at the 7th Street Entry a few years back, and up until that point in time I had only heard his albums. He's spent some time playing with Zorn and Kramer & crew at Shimmy Disc early on. I don't know how much they collaborate these days. Check out Dr. Eugene's site at: http://www.nr.infi.net/~chadnc/HouseOfChadula/EugeneHome.html He also has a extensive chat/mailing list, and I understand that the doctor is in most of the time. Moter jmote@bitstream.net http://www.hotheadfiasco.com >===== Original Message From pak ===== >hello...i'm listening to lacrosse on the right channel >only and eugene chadbourne's guitar work is absolutely >amazing!...just wondering if anyone on the list can >recommend chadbourne CDs...did he work with zorn only >in the seventies?...thanks in advance... > > pak > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: exorkest Date: 22 Dec 2000 11:24:46 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- > Andy Ex =96 g; Terrie Ex =96 g, b; Luc Ex =96 b; Katrin Bornefeld =96 p= erc; GW Sok =96 > voc; Jaap Blonk =96 voc; Han Buhrs =96 voc; Michael Moore =96 cl; Felic= ity Provan > =96 tp; Roy Paci =96 tp; Wolter Wierbos =96 tb; Joost Buis =96 tb; Ferr= ie Heyne =96 > tb; Ernst Glerum =96 double-b; Wilbert de Joode =96 double-b; Gert-Jan = Blom =96 > double-b, bass mouth-organ, bass thumb-piano; Michael Vatcher =96 perc;= Wilf > Plum =96 perc; Jan Mulder =96 poetry; Hamish McKeich =96 cond. Hi Andreas, Can you talk a little more about this record? I'm surprised that thi= s is the first I've heard of it. d Do you know the story behind the orkest coming together? What's the reco= rd like, particularly compared to the other Ex stuff? Thanks, Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Date: 22 Dec 2000 11:46:16 -0500 Hey everyone, I have a few questions about some records on people's year-end lists. Thanks for indulging me. > 7. David Stackenas - The Guitar (Hapna) What's this? > 10. Ben Vida - Mpls. (BOXmedia) Can you talk about this a bit? It's been on my "to get" list for a while, but I have yet to actually pick it up. I'm a big fan on Town and Country, though. Is this comparable to his work there? > 4) Donna Regina - A Quiet Week in the House CD (Karaoke Kalk) What's this one? The only thing on your list (which coincides with my taste a pretty good deal) that I've never heard of before. > 5) Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler - Bart CD (Erstwhile) Could you say why you like this so much? I own it actually, but it's failed to really hit me the same way it seems to have hit a lot of other people. Granted, I've only listened to it all the way through 2 or 3 times so far, but none of it left a partiuclarly strong impression, except maybe the first track. Want to change my mind? > Not Breathing - Itchy Tingles > Glassjaw - Everything you wanted to know about silence > Phylr - Half Life Can you describe these three? Thanks a lot for any more info, guys. -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Date: 22 Dec 2000 12:39:49 -0500 (EST) Jesse: It's a short (about 40 odd minutes), solo all-improv session by quite a talented Swedish guitarist. Ken Waxman --- Jesse Kudler wrote: > Hey everyone, I have a few questions about some records on people's year-end lists. > Thanks for indulging me. > > 7. David Stackenas - The Guitar (Hapna) > > What's this? _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Ong Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Date: 22 Dec 2000 11:50:15 -0500 >> 4) Donna Regina - A Quiet Week in the House CD (Karaoke Kalk) > > What's this one? The only thing on your list (which coincides with my taste > a pretty good deal) that I've never heard of before. Yeah, this one was the outlier in my group. It's kind of a mix between Bjork and Pram... and before you start rolling your eyes, at least let me try to describe it a bit more. When I bought it at Mondo Kims a few months ago, the clerk asked me if I knew anything about the group because he'd been playing the disc all day and it was amazing blah blah blah. So the outlook was not promising. But Karaoke Kalk generally serves up decent stuff, and this turned out to be one of their best. The basic formula is cute/seductive female vocalist chirps away over cottage-industry sounding IDM. The electronica never sounds forced, and the production isn't overdone. Honestly, I could do without some of the lyrics ("I'm walking alone..." etc etc, "snow is only frozen water..." very clever, "...in the shadow of your love" blah) but even these are more tolerable than some of the other pop lyrics I've heard as of late. Also, there's a good balance between catchy tracks and more difficult tunes (relatively speaking). The sleeper hit of the year, and I highly recommended it. I had a lot of trouble ordering my list actually. I mean, does Sachiko M's little 3" really have more worth (for me) than JAZZACTUEL or Yoshihide's "Memory Disorder"? (Hmm, Kierkegaard must deal with this age-old question somewhere). I guess it's high up on my list because I like the crispness of the recording and I listened to it a helluva lot. But it still seems like an unfair comparison to me. Two different leagues. So I guess it was really a process of giveandtake. >> 5) Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler - Bart CD (Erstwhile) > > Could you say why you like this so much? I own it actually, but it's failed > to really hit me the same way it seems to have hit a lot of other people. > Granted, I've only listened to it all the way through 2 or 3 times so far, > but none of it left a partiuclarly strong impression, except maybe the first > track. Want to change my mind? Well, among other things, I like it because some of the tracks rock out without having that annoying rock quality of Konk Pack. I love MIMEO as well and this seemed to be MIMEO without some of the long stretches of boredom. Maybe give it a few more listens and it'll grow on you? I hope so, it's an interesting record. This new Charlemagne Palestine re-issue "Alloy" sounds pretty terrible second time around. -eric. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Best of Y2K (typically long-winded) Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:15:29 -0500 Well, despite the ridiculous length of this list, like last year, I'm still mostly reminded of how little I've managed to hear this year. On the pop side, I've still not heard the latest from Yo La Tengo, Bragg/Wilco and Radiohead (though in the latter case I've mainly been appalled by the high prices I've seen everywhere so far). On the metal side it was a mighty lean year for me - the new Napalm Death didn't make it over here yet and I've not found anything that really sets me off otherwise (God knows I tried to hear why so many raved so much about Deftones - to me it was okay, but pretty slight). Drum'n'bass was off my radar altogether this year. And even my perennial triumvirate of King Crimson, Derek Bailey and Cecil Taylor are represented by a single new release apiece (though Crim also shows up a few times in the "archival" category thanks to the Collectors Club). Added to that, there are plenty of things I've got sitting around here that I still haven't had the time to dig into, thanks to my momentary stretch as a Jazziz editor, during which time I had to spend a lot of time listening to stuff I probably would have ignored and much of which I SHOULD have ignored. Several of these mighta been contenders for inclusion on this list: Oscar Noriega's'Luciano's Dream,' Andy Laster's 'Soft Shell,' Grandaddy's 'The Sophtware Slump,' Kip Hanrahan's new second Deep Rhumba release, much of the latest batch of "Unheard Music," and on and on... On the other hand, Jon Abbey has done me a GREAT service in introducing me to the world of electro-improv on Erstwhile and elsewhere, Jon Morgan (not on this list, sadly) has presented some of the year's best acoustic improv on Meniscus, and I've had a nice time digging a bit into Latin alterna-pop. And Zorn himself got no less than four nods from me this year... first time that's happened in a little while. Thus prefaced, here's the pretty damned long list of things that made me go "uhh" this year: NEW RELEASES (alphabetical): Derek Bailey/Jamaaladeen Tacuma/Calvin Weston: Mirakle (Tzadik) Jim Black: alasnoaxis (Winter & Winter) Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tentet: Stone/Water (Okka Disc) Bill Brovold: Childish Illusions (Tzadik) John Butcher: Music on Seven Occasions (Meniscus) John Butcher/Phil Durrant: Requests and Antisongs (Erstwhile) Nels Cline: The Inkling (Cryptogramophone) Ravi Coltrane: From the Round Box (RCA Victor) Axel Dorner/Fred Lonberg-Holm/Michael Zerang: Claque (Meniscus) Dave Douglas: Soul on Soul (RCA Victor) Kevin Drumm/Martin Tetreault: Particles and Smears (Erstwhile) Marty Ehrlich's Traveler's Tales: Malinke's Dance (OmniTone) Farmers Market: Farmers Market (Winter & Winter) Ben Goldberg/John Schott/Trevor Dunn: Almost Never (Nuscope) Frank Gratkowski Trio: Quicksand (Meniscus) Susie Ibarra: Flower After Flower (Tzadik) ICP Orchestra: Jubliee Varia (hatOLOGY) Charles Ives: Symphony No. 2, Robert Browning Overture - Nashville Sym/Schermerhorn (Naxos) Greg Kelley: Trumpet (Meniscus) King Crimson: Heavy ConstruKction (DGM) Joe McPhee & Hamid Drake: Emancipation Proclamation (Okka Disc) Tony Malaby: Sabino (Arabesque) Mat Maneri: Blue Decco (Thirsty Ear Blues Series) Mastica: 99 (First World) Gunter Muller/Le Quan Ninh: La Voyelle Liquide (Erstwhile) Evan Parker/Keith Rowe: Dark Rags (Potlatch) Michael Penn: MP4 (Epic) Walter Piston: Chamber Music - various artists (Naxos) Bobby Previte: Sunburst Wounds the Tardy Star - 23 Constellations of Miro (CD-R, hopefully to be released somehow in '01...) Sam Rivers Rivbea All-Star Orchestra: Culmination (RCA Victor) Gino Robair: Buddy Systems (Meniscus) Keith Rowe/Gunter Muller/Taku Sugimoto: The World Turned Upside Down (Erstwhile) Wadada Leo Smith: Golden Quartet (Tzadik) Chris Speed: Emit (Songlines) Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann: Schnee (Erstwhile) Cecil Taylor: Nailed (FMP) Boubacar Traore: Macire (Indigo/Lael Bleu) Cuong Vu: Bound (OmniTone) Cuong Vu: Pure (Knitting Factory) Wu Tang Clan: The W (Loud) John Zorn: Masada Live in Sevilla (Tzadik) John Zorn: Taboo and Exile (Tzadik) John Zorn: Xu Feng (Tzadik) V.A.: The Music of Eric von Essen, Vol. One (Cryptogramophone) REISSUES/ARCHIVAL: Albert Ayler: Spiritual Unity (ESP Disk) Miles Davis & John Coltrane: The Complete Columbia Recordings (Columbia Legacy) Discipline: Live at Moles Club, Bath, 1981 (King Crimson Collectors Club) Electric Light Orchestra: Flashback (Columbia Legacy) Iskra 1903: Chapter One 1970-2 (Emanem) Lonnie Johnson: The Unsung Blues Legend (Blues Magnet) King Crimson: Live at Summit Studio, 1972 (King Crimson Collectors Club) Joe McPhee: Nation Time (Atavistic) Joe McPhee: Tenor & Fallen Angels (hatOLOGY) Thelonious Monk: The Complete Prestige Recordings (Prestige) John Zorn: The Big Gundown (Tzadik) V.A.: Deep River of Song: Virginia and the Piedmont (Rounder) FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH: Cafe Tacuba: Reves/Yosoy (WEA Latina) Grateful Dead: Dick's Picks, Volume Ten: 12/29/77 (Grateful Dead) Led Zeppelin: Physical Graffiti (Swan Song) - yes, of course I knew all the songs, but I finally bought the album... Shakira: Donde Estan los Ladrones? (Sony Latin) LIVE TOP TEN (chronological)*: 1. Ornette Coleman w/ Charlie Haden and Billy Higgins, Freedom Symbol, and Global Expression Project, Bell Atlantic Fest, June 1 2. Cecil Taylor & Elvin Jones, Blue Note, June 20 3. Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tentet + 2, Tonic, June 30 4. Dave Douglas's Witness, Tonic, June 13 & 14 5. William Parker's Little Huey Orchestra, Joe McPhee's Trio X, and Other Dimensions in Music, Marcus Garvey Park, August 25 6. Sheila Jordan Quartet, Trumpets (Montclair, NJ), Sept. 16 / Sheila Jordan & Cameron Brown Duo, Cornelia St. Cafe, Nov. 26 7. Archie Shepp & Roswell Rudd Quintet, Jazz Standard, Sept. 20 8. Dave Douglas, Misha Mengelberg, Brad Jones & Han Bennink, Iridium, Sept. 20 9. King Crimson, Supper Club, Nov. 13 10. Youssou N'Dour and Super Etoile, Hammerstein Ballroom, Nov. 19 Honorable mention: Marty Ehlich's Traveler's Tales at Tonic, Tony Malaby's Sabino at the Knitting Factory, Cecil Taylor & Tony Oxley at Tonic, Bill Frisell Trio at Village Vanguard, Joe McPhee & Dominic Duval at the Pink Pony, Rob Blakeslee Quartet at Cornelia St. Cafe, Cecil Taylor & Max Roach at Columbia University, Roswell Rudd's Broad Strokes at the Knitting Factory, Joel Harrison's Free Country at the Knitting Factory, Nora York at Makor, Stilluppsteypa & TV Pow at Tonic, ICP Orchestra at Tonic * Due to a computer meltdown in June, I have no record of what I saw in January or February (as well as the previous 18 YEARS worth of concertgoing - a warning to make backups of everything if ever there was one...). PROMISING FOR 2001: Tim Berne's Low Ball: TBA (Thirsty Ear Blues Series) - summer/fall '01? Dave Douglas: Witness (RCA Victor) - the nonet expanded into an eleven piece group in the studio, with Joe Daley and Yuka Honda added... - late spring '01 Dave Douglas/Misha Mengelberg/Brad Jones/Han Bennink: TBA (Songlines) - spring '01 Matt Moran's Sideshow: Songs of Charles Ives (CRI Blueshift) - February '01 Matthew Shipp: Matthew Shipp's New Orbit (Thirsty Ear Blue Series) - January '01 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcizon@800.com Subject: Re: Top 10 of 2000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:45:31 -0800 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06C68.E3807A78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In no particular order.... Outkast - Stankonia Flying Saucer Attack - Mirror Jurassic 5 - Quality Control Steve Earle - Transcendental Blues Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek - Reflection Eternal PJ Harvey - Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea Masada - Live In Sevilla 2000 D'Angelo - Voodoo Amon Tobin - Supermodified Mendoza Line - We're All In This Alone --Reissues-- Various - Anthology Of American Folk Music, Vol. IV The Band - The Band The Band - Music From Big Pink Louis Armstrong - Complete Hot Fives & Sevens Recordings Flying Burrito Brothers - Anthology: 1969-1972 Miles Davis - Big Fun, Get Up With It, On The Corner OHM - The Early Gurus Of Electronic Music (1948-1980) I *know* I'm missing a few here.... np - Gal Costa - s/t (1969) nr - Tokyo Suckerpunch - Isaac Adamson ------_=_NextPart_001_01C06C68.E3807A78 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Top 10 of 2000

In no particular order....

Outkast - Stankonia
Flying Saucer Attack - Mirror
Jurassic 5 - Quality Control
Steve Earle - Transcendental Blues
Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek - Reflection Eternal
PJ Harvey - Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
Masada - Live In Sevilla 2000
D'Angelo - Voodoo
Amon Tobin - Supermodified
Mendoza Line - We're All In This Alone

--Reissues--
Various - Anthology Of American Folk Music, Vol. IV
The Band - The Band
The Band - Music From Big Pink
Louis Armstrong - Complete Hot Fives & Sevens Recordings
Flying Burrito Brothers - Anthology: 1969-1972
Miles Davis - Big Fun, Get Up With It, On The Corner
OHM - The Early Gurus Of Electronic Music (1948-1980)

I *know* I'm missing a few here....

np - Gal Costa - s/t (1969)
nr - Tokyo Suckerpunch - Isaac Adamson

------_=_NextPart_001_01C06C68.E3807A78-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Best of Y2K (typically long-winded) Date: 23 Dec 2000 00:48:54 -0500 Steve Smith wrote: > Bill Brovold: Childish Illusions (Tzadik) Which was of course meant to read 'Childish Delusions'... sorry, Bill. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Henry Rollins Band on 'Sessions at West 54th' on PBS (...and suddenly remembering the importance of folks like Greg Ginn, Bill Stevenson, Kira, Chris Haskett, Andrew Weiss, Melvin Gibbs and Sim Caine... geez, this guy's one of my heroes and yet... sheesh...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Date: 23 Dec 2000 07:21:34 -0500 Hey Eric, Thanks a lot for the info on your list. > This new Charlemagne Palestine re-issue "Alloy" sounds pretty terrible > second time around. Which one's this again? Anyone else heard any of the recent bunch of Palestine CD's? -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: this marinade invokes a trembling cartoon Date: 23 Dec 2000 14:45:02 +0100 Zorn-agains, 1) I can't imagine that there isn't a spontaneous appearance of reviews for Dresser's Marinade or London's Invocations. I ordered already, but still would like to know more. Anyone bought Gidon Kremer's Silencio? 2) It looks like there are known Masada tunes on the Trembling-disc. am I right? 3) Is the Cartoon/SM of any interest since all the compositions are well known and aptly performed in the past. How's the clarinet Kol Nidre? Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU www.rob.allaert.com "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: German radio broadcast: Steven Bernstein Date: 23 Dec 2000 19:36:08 +0100 For German group members: There was a broadcast on last Thursday of a Steven Berstein concert (SWR2: 19:00-21:00). Did anyone record this broadcast? I heard it was really amazing. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: computers/electronic music Date: 23 Dec 2000 17:13:15 -0600 hey, i'm very frusterated. i'm getting a PC laptop soon... no matter what. (yeah, college student's mommy is buying it for him) i think i know generally what i want except that i would like to start getting serious about electronic music. i've played with many different programs including PROtools and related software, which a friend of mine says is the essential foundation for PC music makers. i don't know if he's actually right about this or not. i've looked around for info, i don't know where to go... so this is one of my last resorts. could someone tell me what is my best bet in software hardware blah blah blah... in order to keep my options open? i know this is probably a hard question to answer. otherwise someone could tell me where to go for information. respond in private unless it's relevant to zorn-list needs. thanks. -samuel (so frustrated) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Gatzen Subject: steps across the border Date: 23 Dec 2000 18:11:33 -0800 (PST) anyone know where I can get a video of this or does anyone wanna make a trade? Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: chadbourne Date: 24 Dec 2000 10:04:42 EST In a message dated 12/22/00 1:54:55 PM,=20 owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << eugene chadbourne recommendations >> my eugene chadbourne recommendation is to catch him live, which has been better each time than any of his 40 or more discs, Lps, or cassettes i own. i love him, but im suffering from overload. nonetheless a plug for a new hard to find pair of 10" where he covers pop=20 tunes. but with brilliance and insight rather than irony.=20 i play it plenty much. i got mine at downtown music gallery. Eugene Chadbourne. Young And Innocent Days. (Swamp Room 301135 (NE), 2x10=94 clear vinyl with color splotches, untimed.) =20 when you catch eugene live, he'll have a stock of stuff to sell, his=20 cxommercial and his own label cd-rs, and one of a kind packages of casettes with nifty=20 weirdness in em. if the commercial discs, i like 'string' and 'songs, 2 sep discs on intakt. they all blur together in my mind, tho, and usually enjoy his instrumental=20 work more than his 'tribute' to other songwriters work. then, of course, his=20 covers of country songs are brilliantly done and not ragged. if you can, go to eat ou= t=20 with him and talk, esp indian food. guaranteed intelligent and varied conversation. yrs steve koenig lafolia.com n.p.: gunter muller/ le quan nin - voyelle liquide- erstwhile - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Carla Bley Recommendations? Date: 24 Dec 2000 16:53:47 +0100 (CET) Hi there! I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's: "Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I found both excellent I was looking for something more similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing" has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit. Can anybody recommend something in that vein? Thank you and enjoy a healthy New Year! EFREN DEL VALLE _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Christian Marclay Turntable Trio Date: 24 Dec 2000 17:22:47 +0100 I heard, that Christian Marclay has a turntable trio. But I didn't find a recording, yet. Does anyone know, if there exist one? PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Christian Marclay Turntable Trio Date: 24 Dec 2000 12:43:07 EST In a message dated 12/24/00 11:30:18 AM, TimBlechmann@gmx.de writes: << I heard, that Christian Marclay has a turntable trio. >> yup, with Erik M. and DJ Olive. they performed at Tonic a few months ago. <> no recordings have been released of this trio. although Zorn was front and center watching them at Tonic, so maybe there's a Tzadik disc in their future... Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: boredoms box set???????? Date: 24 Dec 2000 11:15:02 -0800 (PST) hi everybody...i heard a rumor that there is a going to be or there already is a boredoms box set with live material and all kinds of neat stuff in it...does anyone know if this exists?...and if it does, how can i order it?...happy holidays z-listeners! pak "we are the music makers and we are the dreamers of the dreams..." -- willy wonka __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Christian Marclay Turntable Trio Date: 24 Dec 2000 14:28:50 -0500 (EST) Or maybe JZ was just there enjoying the show, seeing fellow musicians play with no "business" motive in mind. Ken Waxman --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > < Does anyone know, if there exist one?>> > > no recordings have been released of this trio. > although Zorn was front and center watching them at Tonic, so maybe there's a Tzadik disc in their future... _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Carla Bley Recommendations? Date: 24 Dec 2000 14:30:51 -0500 >Hi there! > >I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's: >"Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I >found both excellent I was looking for something more >similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique >Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing" >has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit. > >Can anybody recommend something in that vein? "I hate to sing" is along the lines of the songs she wrote for Nick Mason's solo LP "Fictitous Sports" but instead of Robert Wyatt singing , Carla's band members handle the vocals(Hence the title). Not entirely successful, IMO. You'd probably be better off picking up the earlier stuff; Dinner Music, European Tour,and Escalator Over The Hill. They have more of what you seem to be looking for. RW - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: chadbourne Date: 24 Dec 2000 16:20:51 -0500 Hi > In a message dated 12/22/00 1:54:55 PM, > owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > << eugene chadbourne recommendations >> To echo Steve's comments, his discography is a bit overwhelming, and I've bought some discs I was less than thrilled with. That said, there is some great stuff floating around. My favorites are "Vermin of the blues", which has some great country covers, Bo-Didley is a Communist, and some reagan era sound bites. The self titled "Insect and Western Party" is my favorite of that series of music (including the live stuff I've seen). I'd second the recomendation for "Strings" which has a nice balance of chadbourne's insane style and beautiful renditions of Monk's Mood and Strayhorn's Daydream. happy holidays... Jim McLoughlin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Carla Bley Recommendations? Date: 24 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0500 (EST) If it's tango-like movements with hearty soloists and sense of fun, why not look into: Carla Bley Band Live (Watt 12 -- 1982) and especially Social Studies (Watt 11 --1981) I agree with Rich re: part of European Tour disc, but the final track made up of anthems of different countries is a little beneath her talent (IMHO) Ken Waxman --- Rich Williams wrote: > >Hi there! > > > >I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's: > >"Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I > >found both excellent I was looking for something > more similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique Mecanique". You'd probably be better off picking up the earlier stuff; Dinner Music, European Tour,and Escalator Over The Hill. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: carla bley recommendations Date: 24 Dec 2000 18:33:11 EST efren writes: << I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's: "Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I found both excellent I was looking for something more similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing" has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit. Can anybody recommend something in that vein? >> hi efren, i think given that you like these ( i agree about Mecanique! and I Hate To Sing again delighted me with Carla after a few ho-hummers). 2 good ones (and i dont know what's in print) is European Tour 1977 and Dinner Music. also, in rockier vein, she produced and arranged Nick Mason's "Fictitious Sports," on Columbia. He from Pink Floyd, and the disc featuring a hilarious Phil Glass parody "I'm A Mineralist." That sdisc features most of her band and also Robert Wyatt. i also MUST plug the great new video of her Escalator Over The Hill, in excellent sound and cinematography just out, maybe, and available direct from the filmmaker Steve Gebhardt at musicusmedia.com. (i am not involved except as a fan and reviewer). if you want to take on something more ambitious, carla's piece for jazz orchestra called "3/4" is one of my lifetime favorite pieces and always will be in my heart and ears. ---happy holidays, all--- steve koenig n.p.: sounds of the brasilian rainforest (and are my cats getting edgy!)- sitelle records - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Carla Bley Recommendations? Date: 25 Dec 2000 13:41:59 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- > I recently purchased a couple of Carla Bley's CD's: > "Big Band Theory" and "Fleur Carnivore". Although I > found both excellent I was looking for something more > similar to her (in my opinion) masterpiece "Musique > Mecanique". I've read somewhere that "I hate to Sing" > has also that cabaret/Kurt Weill/Nino Rota spirit. I love BBT. If you liked musique mechanique, you could try european tour. less cabaret, but a great album from a similiar period. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: stock's hausen Date: 25 Dec 2000 13:40:13 EST In a message dated 12/22/00 1:51:02 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << is Stockhausen's HYMEN a hard thing to find now a days? >> i know it's a typo, but it's soo hard to resist the jokes... thanks for making my day. HymNen, i believe, is available from his own way-overpriced label. steve koenig n.p.: leos janacek: mladi- marlboro fest 50th anny (sony) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: steps across the border Date: 25 Dec 2000 13:46:27 -0500 Tom, Bruce at Downtown Music Gallery usually keeps it in stock. In NYC, on E. 5th St., or dmg@panix.com kg np: a liberace christmas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: BEST OF 2000 Date: 25 Dec 2000 20:01:40 +0100 (CET) I forgot too many CD's not to re-send. Luckily latest Tzadik releases arrived in Spain before the end of the year. > > > JOHN ZORN: "Trembling Before G-d" JOHN ZORN: "S&M/Cartoons" > JOHN ZORN: "Xu-Feng" > SUSIE IBARRA: "Flower After Flower" DEREK BAILEY& SUSIE IBARRA: "Daedal" DEREK BAILEY/JAMALADEEN TACUMA/CALVIN WESTON: "Mirakle" > MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD: "The Dropper" MEDESKI, MARTIN & WOOD: "Tonic" MASADA: "Live in Sevilla" > SATOKO FUJII: "Towards to West" > NED ROTHENBERG: "Ghost Stories" > TIM SPARKS: "Tanz" > JOHN ZORN: "The Big Gundown" (re-release) > FRED FRITH: "Traffic Continues" > SUSIE IBARRA TRIO: "Radiance" > Some CD's I purchased this year but were released > before: > > TIM BERNE'S BLOODCOUNT: "Unwound" > BIG SATAN (Winter& Winter relase- can't remember the > title now) > MICHAEL FORMANEK: "Nature of the Beast" > MARC DUCRET: "L'ombra di Verdi" > CARLA BLEY: "Musique Mecanique" CHARLIE HADEN: "Liberation Music Orchestra" AGUSTI FERNANDEZ TRIO (w/ William Parker/Susie Ibarra): "One Night at the Miro Foundation) > JOHN COLTRANE: "Meditations" CHARLES MINGUS: "At the Bohemia" ORNETTE COLEMAN QUARTET: "This is Our Music" ART ENSEMBLE OF CHICAGO: "Bap-Tizum" CARLOS BICA & AZUL (w/ Jim Black/Frank Möbus/Ana Brandao): "Twist" JOHN COLTRANE: "Ole" JOHN COLTRANE: "A Love Supreme" > JOHN COLTRANE: "Sun Ship" CARLA BLEY: "Fleur Carnivore" > _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en > http://correo.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eisenbeil@aol.com Subject: Cecil Taylor NYC Masterclass/ Workshop Date: 25 Dec 2000 20:50:17 EST FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE December 25, 2000 Cecil Taylor will be conducting a month long workshop at the Turtle Bay Music School in New York City during February 2001. This master class/ workshop will meet twice a week during the month and then culminate in a concert. The classes will be held on Wednesdays (Feb. 7, 14, 21) from 6-10pm and on Saturdays (Feb. 3, 10, 17, 24) from noon to 4pm. The concert is scheduled for Saturday Feb. 24 at 8pm. The tuition for each participant is $300. This includes all fees for the duration of the masterclass and concert. This letter has been sent to you as an invitation for your participation. Each musician must bring their own instruments. One bass amp will be provided. Turtle Bay Music School is located on 52nd Street between 1st and 2nd avenues. Payment should be sent to: Turtle Bay Music School 244 east 52nd Street New York, NY 10022 Payment for the tuition must be made by January 15th, 2001. Payment will only be accepted in the form of a check. All checks must be made payable to, Turtle Bay Music School and write on the check, Cecil Taylor Masterclass. Below is an application form. Name: ______________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ Telephone: ____________________ FAX: ________________________ Email: ___________________________ Instrument: _________________________________ Experience: __________________________________________________________ Please direct all questions to Bruce Eisenbeil. He can be reached by the following means: Email: eisenbeil@aol.com Fax: 212-888-2726 For more info and updates see: www.eisenbeil.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 25 Dec 2000 21:43:34 +0100 Here are my lists... Electronic/Electroacoustic: . Tetsu Inoue _Fragment Dots_ , Tzadik . Mikael Stavostrand _Lite_, Mitek . Ambarchi/Fennesz/Pimmon/Rehberg/Rowe _Afternoon Tea_, Ritornell . Alva Noto _Prototypes_, Mille Plateaux . Dat Politics _Villiger_, A-Musik . Raymond Scott _Manhattan Research Inc._, Basta . various _Clicks_+_Cuts_, Mille Plateaux . Max Tundra _Some Best Friend You Turned Out To Be_, Domino . Fransisco Lopez _untitled # 92_, Mego . COH _Mask Of Birth_, Raster-Noton . Otomo Yoshihide _Cathode_, Tzadik . Fennesz _03_02_00 Live At Revolver, Melbourne, Touch . Kid 606/The Remote Viewer _Split 7=B9=B9 picture disc, Limited Edition Japanese Tour Single_, 555 Recordings . Kid 606 _Straight Outta Compton_, V/Vm Test Records Metal: . The Dillinger Escape Plan _Calculating Infinity_, Relapse . Spiral Architect _A Sceptic=B9s Universe_, Sensory . Morbid Angel _Gateways To Annihilation_, Earache . Nile _Black Seeds Of Vengeance_, Relapse . Cryptopsy _And Then You=B9ll Beg_, Century Media . Aghora _Aghora_, Code 666 Jazz/Improv: . Masada _Live In Sevilla 2000_, Tzadik . Pachora _Ast_, Knitting Factory . Brad Shepik _The Well_, Songlines . Dafeldecker, Fussenegger, Kovacic _Printer_, Durian . David Maranha _Circunscrita_, Namskeio . SFQ (Simon H. Fell) _selected pieces_ (promo), Bruce=B9s Fingers Live: . Supersilent, Kasino, Vienna, Austria . Dillinger Escape Plan, 013, Tilburg, Netherlands . THU20, Casa Electronica, Groningen, Netherlands . Peter Rehberg/So Takahashi/Jake Mandell/Signer, Usva Theatre, Groningen, Netherlands . G=FCnther M=FCller, Voice Crack, Erik M., Konfrontationen, Nickelsdorf, Austria . Mikael Stavostrand/Andreas Berthling/Andreas Tilliander (Mokira)/Ronie Sundin/Susanne Berggren, Usva Theatre, Groningen, Netherlands Before 2000list . John Zorn _The Bribe_, Tzadik . Toshimaru Nakamura/Sachiko M _Un_, meme . Taylor Deupree, _.N_, Ritornell . Polwechsel/Polwechsel 2, Hat Art . Meshuggah _Chaosphere_, Nuclear Blast . 20=B9 to 2000 series, Noton . Pierre Schaeffer _L=B9Oeuvre Musicale_ . Ryoji Ikeda _0=B0C_, Touch . Osso Ex=F3tico, Ananana Nice Holidays!! Jeroen Jeroen de Boer music director Cyberslag Foundation Munnekeholm 10 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503634676 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Ong Subject: Joseph Holbrooke '98 Date: 26 Dec 2000 14:56:44 -0500 Well, after a few listens, I find this Oxley/Bryars/Bailey disc very very satisfying. Anyone else? I'm not great at describing music, so I'll leave the review up to a professional. But, if I could make a few comments... Bryars on bass really helps the music, great communication between him and Oxley, I'm reminded yet again of Oxley's greatness (the man's got octopus arms), etc. Hmm, perhaps not as cerebral as Soho Suites. Someone else jump in here. OTOH, I listened to the first few tracks of the new Haino(voice)/Bailey on Incus and I'm thinking I'll save that fight for another day. -eric. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: nina hagen Date: 26 Dec 2000 14:27:18 -0800 anybody heard nina hagen's "om namah shivay"? is it really an indo thing? sitars, sarod, tabla, ghatam? brief description? merci. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: 2000, while it lasts Date: 26 Dec 2000 23:49:06 +0100 Best Label : MA Recordings, try it @ www.marecordings.com Best Recordings: Pachora - Ast Brad Shepik - The Well Danny Zamir - Satlah Satoko Fujii - Toward To West Sera una Noche - Sera una Noche (MA Recordings) Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: A Fine Line - Don Byron "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: Myra Melford Date: 27 Dec 2000 00:12:22 +0100 Hi Zorn-agains, How essential is Myra Melford's Dance Beyond The Color (2000)? Rob@llaert.NU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: exorkest Date: 27 Dec 2000 09:47:21 +0100 >From: "Jesse Kudler" > > > Andy Ex ? g; Terrie Ex ? g, b; Luc Ex ? b; Katrin Bornefeld ? perc; GW >Sok ? > > voc; Jaap Blonk ? voc; Han Buhrs ? voc; Michael Moore ? cl; Felicity >Provan > > ? tp; Roy Paci ? tp; Wolter Wierbos ? tb; Joost Buis ? tb; Ferrie Heyne >? > > tb; Ernst Glerum ? double-b; Wilbert de Joode ? double-b; Gert-Jan Blom >? > > double-b, bass mouth-organ, bass thumb-piano; Michael Vatcher ? perc; >Wilf > > Plum ? perc; Jan Mulder ? poetry; Hamish McKeich ? cond. > >Hi Andreas, > Can you talk a little more about this record? I'm surprised that this >is the first I've heard of it. d >Do you know the story behind the orkest coming together? What's the record >like, particularly compared to the other Ex stuff? > >Thanks, >Jesse I haven´t heard an exorkest record and don´t know if it exists. I only reported that there was a recording session at a dutch radio station and vague plans to release this stuff. I´ll ask Michael Vatcher if there is anything available... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: RE: computers/electronic music Date: 27 Dec 2000 09:08:29 -0600 Hello Frustrated Samuel, Some suggestions for music software: ProTools - multitracking & effects (your friend is right) -the pitfalls of ProTools: expensive (with all the plug-ins and hardware expenses), & it takes some time to get proficient using (but nice if you're operating an analog recording studio in conjunction with ProTools). Cakewalk - various music applications (see http://www.cakewalk.com/ ) -a little easier to operate, can operate with ProTools as well, a little less extensive than ProTools Finale 2001 - notation software This is pretty comprehensive composer notation software, but also works nicely with the other applications I've mentioned. (see http://www.codamusic.com/coda/ ) And one I've been having a lot of fun with lately that's cheap & easy (but maybe a little cheesy for Zornies) is Band In A Box (see http://www.pgmusic.com/ ). This simple application can also be used to practice to - including a long list of standards and standard chord structures to improvise over). Also, you plug in your own chords (including all extended chords, as well), and it will spit out your songs in a variety of styles. Change the tempo, key, etc. in the click of a mouse. Save your songs (w/melody & soloist), add vocals, etc. For as small as this application is, it is amazing what you can do with it. File size is relatively small for the bare minimum of settings (i.e. no vocals, no add-ins). I'm guessing that some people may even release (or have already released) Band In A Box material. If your looking to break ground musically like the Zornies (avant & electronic stuff), Cakewalk is what you want (looping, sampling, merging analog & electronic sounds, analog synth sounds, etc.). Remember, right now were on the cusp of technology in terms of hard drive space, processors, updated versions of applications, etc. What you buy now may be obsolete in a few years, so you may want to go with a simpler application first - I'd suggest Band In A Box because it is pretty cheap. I hope that helps you a little. Most studio folks are not using ProTools exclusively. They incorporate all of their analog stuff with it (SMPTE). Those people generally are partial to the analog environment, and they'll claim ProTools recordings (even at 24-bit) are a little square-waved and not quite as silky smooth as recording on tape. Moter jmote@bitstream.net mote@augsburg.edu (612) 782-3912 (612) 330-1053 www.hotheadfiasco.com >===== Original Message From "samuel yrui" ===== >hey, > i'm very frusterated. i'm getting a PC laptop soon... no matter what. >(yeah, college student's mommy is buying it for him) i think i know >generally what i want except that i would like to start getting serious >about electronic music. > i've played with many different programs including PROtools and related >software, which a friend of mine says is the essential foundation for PC >music makers. i don't know if he's actually right about this or not. > i've looked around for info, i don't know where to go... so this is one >of my last resorts. could someone tell me what is my best bet in software >hardware blah blah blah... in order to keep my options open? i know this is >probably a hard question to answer. otherwise someone could tell me where >to go for information. respond in private unless it's relevant to zorn-list >needs. thanks. > > -samuel (so frustrated) >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: RE: greetings Date: 27 Dec 2000 09:35:06 -0600 Pak (pronounced Pok: of Korean origin?), Welcome aboard. Of course I know where Tallassee is, and can even pronounce it (both in English and Alabaman). Always a nice rush to see someone else this deep in the South with an appreciation for this strange and wonderful music. >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:39:18 -0800 (PST) >From: pak >Subject: greetings >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >hello...i'm new to the list but not to zorn's >work...my name is pak (pronounced "pock") and i live >in tallassee, alabama (a tiny town that probably no >one has ever heard of)... > Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: RE: computers/electronic music Date: 27 Dec 2000 10:56:48 -0500 At 9:08 AM -0600 12/27/00, Jay Mote wrote: >-the pitfalls of ProTools: expensive (with all the plug-ins and hardware >expenses), & it takes some time to get proficient using (but nice if you're >operating an analog recording studio in conjunction with ProTools). I'd agree about the potential pitfalls of ProTools here, but I should point out that there's a free version available for downloading from digidesign's site. It doesn't necessarily integrate with all the existing PT hardware, doesn't do this, doesn't do that...but what it does _is_ impressive, particularly for the price. -Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: More percussion music in RealAudio Date: 27 Dec 2000 13:00:40 -0600 This week's Mappings offers primarily percussion pieces by composer/performers Chris Brown, Milford Graves, Susie Ibarra, Bun-Ching Lam, Ikue Mori, Tony Oxley & Matt Wand, Harry Partch, James Tenney, Tony Williams. The show will be available online until some time next Tuesday (the schedule is a little looser than usual owing to the new year holiday). Hope you hear something you dig. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Favorites of 2000 Date: 27 Dec 2000 14:43:18 -0800 (PST) This list was longer than I wanted, but my head has been turned and turned again over the course of this year. I won't be hearing things the same again. I placed asterisks by the things that have borne several listens, some of them careful and attentive, and promise to bear many more. As carefully as I've considered this, I'm sure several more worthy entries will come to mind right after I post this. Thanks to everyone for their lists. NEW RELEASES 1.*Greg Kelly: TRUMPET - microscopic brass surgery 2.**Le Quan Ninh / Gunter Muller: LA VOYELLE LIQUIDE - intricate and imaginary cyborg percussion landscapes 3.Assif Tsahar, Peter Kowald, Rashid Ali: IDEAS, DEALS, AND IDEALS - refreshing, intense free jazz; a genre done justice 4.Various artists: VARIIOUS (Intransitive) - wide array of new concrète, electronic, field recordings, etc.; a remarkable label 5.Pimmon: ASSEMBLER (Fallt) - spirals of digital sizzle with rich warmth 6.**Morton Feldman: ALL PIANO (LondonHall, performed by John Tillbury) - CDs 2-4 I find just indispensable; you can feel your listening being restructured 7.Arto Lindsay: PRIZE (Righteous Babe) - (1999?) strangeness-infused pop tinged with noise, electronica, and Brasil 8.*Rowe/Sugimoto/Muller: THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN (Erstwhile) - exquisite group improv masterpiece with Sugimoto's flaxen miniatures as fulcrum 9.Various Artists: LOWERCASE SOUND (http://www.lowercasesound.com) - a heterogeneous manifesto for finitude, space, and silence 10.Marcus Schmickler / Thomas Lehn: BART (Erstwhile) - oft violent digi-analog synth/processing showdown; exhilarating energy and daredevil invention 11.*Christof Kurzmann / Burkhard Stangl: SCHNEE (Erstwhile) - computer and guitar in realtime symbiosis 12.**Burkhard Stangl: RECITAL (Durian) - solo guitar/piano performance; whispers punctuated with crashes and scrapes; spellbinding 13.**e-rax: LIVE AT THE BIMHUIS (X-Or) - electronic trio feat. Thomas Lehn; incredibly tight live improv; some of my fave work by Lehn; sensitive 14.Perlon: PERLON (aka "Play it loud!!") (Zarek) - long glacial passages of highly-detailed e/a improv; meditative 15.Keith Rowe / Pimmon / Oren Ambarchi / Pita / Fennesz: AFTERNOON TEA (Ritornell) - sounds smaller than one might think; to quote Henry James: "super subtle fry" 16.*Dean Roberts: AND THE BLACK MOTHES PLAY THE GRAND CINEMA (Ritornell) - rich drone and electronics chopped into a "song cycle" of sorts, or at least two "suites"; spectral 17.*Taku Sugimoto / Kevin Drumm: DEN (Sonoris) - great stillness and discursive fragments enrich one another; bravura performance 18.*Keith Rowe: HARSH, GUITAR SOLO (Grob) - after two listens, pretty unsettling; serrated, serene, and readerly 19.MIMEO: ELECTRIC CHAIR + TABLE (Grob) THIS YEAR'S RE-ISSUES 1. **Pierre Henry: MIX 2.0 box set (Philips France) 2. **Pierre Henry: MIX 1.0 box set (Philips France) 3. Art Ensemble of Chicago: LES STANCES A SOPHIE 4. **Luigi Nono: Variazioni Canoniche/A Carlo Scarpa, Architetto/No Hay Caminos 5. **Luigi Nono: La Lontananza Nostalgica Utopica Futura (my introduction to Nono; the first disc contains one long piece from the early Fifties and two late pieces, which are particularly breathtaking) 6. *Iskra 1903: CHAPTER ONE (1970-2) (Emanem) (by the fourth time through, my current listening habits and matter had conditioned the Iskra, which now seems like an antecedent, at times, to much of today's e-a/glitch/lowercase/micro sensibilities) 7. Miles Davis: GET UP WITH IT (Columbia) 8. *Faust: WUMME YEARS (ReR-Recommended) 9. King Crimson: LARK'S TONGUES IN ASPIC and LIZARD (remastered w/gatefold) NOT QUITE NEW, BUT THIS YEAR'S DISCOVERIES 1. Various Artists: MODULATIONS AND TRANSFORMATIONS 4 (Mille Plateaux; more than half the material really caught my ear; a "primer") 2. *Brian Eno: HERE COME THE WARM JETS (Scott lives under a rock.) 3. Fennesz: PLUS FORTY-SEVEN DEGREES... (Touch) 4. **Dick Raaijmakers: COMPLETE TAPE MUSIC (Donemus) 5. Yo La Tengo: ELECTRO-PURE-A and I CAN HEAR... (both of which I still prefer to this year's fine YLT) 6. Autopoiesis: LA VIE A NOIR (Mille Plateaux) 7. **RLW et al: TULPAS box set (Selektion) 8. Francois Bayle: L'EXPERIENCE ACOUSTIQUE 9. *Ivo Malec 10. G.M. Koenig 11. Erik M, Gunter Muller, and Voice Crack: POIRE_Z (For4Ears) 12. **John Wall: FRACTUUR and CONSTRUCTIONS I-IV (both Utterpsalm) DISAPPOINTMENTS (certainly subject to change, but these I found sub-par; I'd really like to know what ya'll who like these hear in them) 1. Various Artists: CLICKS AND CUTS (Millle Plateaux) 2. Christoph Heemann/Andreas Martin: double disc collaborative works on Robot Records 3. Stilluppsteypa: INTERFERENCES... and MORTS AUX VACHES... (did something just happen?) 4. Panasonic: X (Mute) / Mika Vainio: YDIN (Wavetrap) (did something just happen?) 5. Vandermark 5: BURN THE INCLINE 6. Vandermark / Lytton: ENGLISH SUITES 7. Werner Dafeldecker / Dean Roberts: ALUMINUM (Erstwhile) (three listens and less seems to be happening each time) 8. Evan Parker / Keith Rowe: DARK RAGS (Potlatch) (this has a lot to do with my expectations, but still...didn't feel like it worked) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: 2000 Date: 27 Dec 2000 19:22:15 EST well, thanks for all the Erstwhile mentions on your various year-end lists,=20 much appreciated.=20 here's the not-quite final version of my 2000 list, Erstwhile titles exclude= d=20 from consideration.=20 -- -- Activity Center-M=F6wen and Moos (2:13 Music) (2 CDs) Alati/Ielasi/Radaele-Alati/Ielasi/Radaele (Sonoris) Fabrice Charles, Michel Doneda and G=FCnter M=FCller-Direct Chamber (33Revpe= rmi) Werner Dafeldecker/Uli Fusseneger/Dieter Kovacic-Printer (Durian) Dead C.-Dead C. (Language) (2 CDs) Dieb 13-Restructuring (Charhizma) Dixon/Bauer/Koch/Oxley-Berlin Abbozzi (FMP) Kevin Drumm/Taku Sugimoto-Din (Sonoris) Efzeg-Grain (Durian) e-rax-Live At The Bimhuis 1999 (X-Or) Morton Feldman-Allpiano (John Tilbury) (LondonHALL) (4 CDs) Fennesz-Live At Revolver, Melbourne (Touch CD-R) Brent Gutzeit (w/ Abrams, Akiyama, Sugimoto, Vida, Okura) (private CD-R) Hecker-[R+] ISO/CHALL (Mego) Philip Jeck-Live at ICC, Tokyo (Touch CD-R) Zbigniew Karkowski-IT (Mego) Greg Kelley-Trumpet (Meniscus) Kid Koala-Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (Ninja Tune) Annette Krebs/Taku Sugimoto-A Duo In Berlin (Slub) Thomas Lehn-Feldst=E4rken (Random Acoustics) Maurizio Martusciello-Unsettled Line (Metamkine) Loren Mazzacane-Portrait Of A Soul (FMRL) G=FCnter M=FCller/Taku Sugimoto-I Am Happy If You Are Happy (For 4 Ears) Music In Movement Electronic Orchestra-Electric Chair and Table (Grob) Andrea Neumann/Annette Krebs-Rotophornen (Charhizma) Jim O'Rourke/Mats Gustafsson-Xylophonen Virtuosen (Incus) Evan Parker-After Appleby (Leo) (2 CDs) Evan Parker/Keith Rowe-Dark Rags (Potlatch) Perlon-Perlon (Zarek) Presocratics-Works and Days (Table Of The Elements) Gert-Jan Prins-Live (Grob) Radian-TG 11 (Mego/Rhiz) Bhob Rainey/Kevin Drumm-6 Standing Desert/Hasn't (1-5) (Fringes LP) Dean Roberts And The Black Moths-Play The Grand Cinema (Ritornell) Keith Rowe-Harsh (Grob) Ignaz Schick-Tabit (Zarek) Marcus Schmickler-Sator Rotas (A-Musik) C. Schulz & Hajsch-C. Schulz & Hajsch (Sonig) Adam Sonderberg/Boris Sinclair-Hauf-Could This Be It? (Longbox Recordings) Burkhard Stangl-Venusmond (Quell) TV Pow/Erik M.-4/1/00 in Chicago (private CD-R) Voice Crack-Shock_Late (Entenpfuhl LP) Wheaton Research-Tokyo 02.00 (BOXmedia CD-R) reissues: Louis Armstrong-The Complete Hot Five and Hot Seven Recordings=20 (Columbia/Legacy) (4 CDs) Art Ensemble of Chicago-Les Stances A Sophie (Universal Sound/Soul Jazz) Robert Ashley-String Quartet Describing the Motions of Large Reel Bodies/ How Can I Tell The Difference? (Alga Marghen) Steve Beresford-The Bath Of Surprise (Amoebic) Steve Beresford-Three & Four Pullovers (Emanem) Anthony Braxton-For Alto (Delmark) Earle Brown-Collected Early Works (CRI) Cornelius Cardew-The Great Learning (Organ of Corti) Peter Cusack/Max Eastley-Day For Night (Paradigm) Dubravko Detoni w/Acezantez-Dubravko Detoni w/Acezantez (Paradigm) Guillermo Gregorio-Otra Musica (Unheard Music Series/Atavistic) Fernando Grillo-Fluvine (Ampersand) Iskra 1903-Chapter One (1970-1972) (Emanem) Suzanne Langille/Loren Mazzacane-1987-1989 (Secretly Canadian) Ennio Morricone-Gli Occhi Freddi Della Paura (Dagored) Gordon Mumma-Studio Retrospect (Lovely) Nurse With Wound-Alice The Goon (United Dairies) Howard Riley-Synopsis (Emanem) Sun Ra-Solar Myth Approach (BYG/Charly) Sun Ra-Strange Strings (bootleg LP) Sun Ra-Cymbals/Crystal Spears (2 CDs), Lanquidity, Pathways To Unknown=20 Worlds/Friendly Love, When Angels Speak Of Love (all on Evidence) Terry Riley-Music For The Gift/Bird Of Paradise/Mescalin Mix (Organ of Corti= ) Ray Russell-Live At The I.C.A./Retrospective (Moikai) Sonny Sharrock-Black Woman (East West Japan) Masayuki Takayanaki-Live At Moers Festival (Three Blind Mice) Masahiko Togashi-Rings (East Wind) Iannis Xenakis-Persepolis (Fractal) Tom Z=E9-Estudando O Samba/Correio Da Estacao Do Bras, Se O Caso E Chorar/To= dos=20 Os Olhos (Warner Brazil) Various Artists-Jazzactuel (BYG/Charly) (3 CDs) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Re: Best of 2000. Date: 28 Dec 2000 11:53:05 +1030 I forgot David Bowie, "Bowie at the Beeb" (Bonus 3rd disc if your quick) Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: Favorites of 2000 Date: 27 Dec 2000 21:12:11 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- > This list was longer than I wanted, but my head has > been turned and turned again over the course of this > year. I won't be hearing things the same again. I > placed asterisks by the things that have borne several > listens, some of them careful and attentive, and > promise to bear many more. As carefully as I've Does this mean you only listened to all the non-asterisk stuff once? That brings up a question I've been wondering about recently, actually. How often does everyone listen to all the stuff on their end of year lists? I ask just because a lot of the stuff I've been seeing on people's lists I really don't feel like I've absorbed in any meaningful way yet. I mean, I literally have a stack of CD's that I've only heard once or less, plus a bunch that I may have listened to multiple times but that I still feel are holding significant mysteries. Point being, I feel like I need another year to digest everything I've heard this year before I can even form cogent opinions. That's ironic especially when you consider that most people's year-end lists emphasize releases that came out in the last few weeks/months (and mine probably would too, just because that's what's on my mind and in my CD player). Partially because of the problem described in the paragraph above, and because I'm expecting some CD's in the mail that may be year-end contenders, I've been hesitant to post a list, but I would like to mention a CD that hasn't turned up in anyone's lists at all: Kevin Drumm's "Comedy." Probably the only record all year to *really* blow my mind, it's been on my mind for the year's best for a while, even though I bought it way back last winter. For those un-familiar, the first and last track feature a massive repeated two-chord pattern, played on an organ going through some super-overdriven guitar amps. When turned up to proper volume, the low chord makes everything rumble nicely, and the high one features some shifting resonances. The other four tracks on the CD are based on some fairly-simple sounding sine waves and digital noise, but with an intensity and economy that is just totally *right.* Most of them completely mess with my sense of time and move between soothing and painful seemingly subliminally. Great, great, great. Did anyone else hear "Comedy"? -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Two CDs. Date: 27 Dec 2000 23:47:31 -0500 A couple of comments on two titles that have been brought up on the list lately: - Myra Melford/Crush, "Dance Beyond the Color": I don't know enough about Melford's other work to say whether or not this disc could be called "essential", but I will say that it's a pretty tremendously enjoyable piece of work. In particular, I'm quite taken with the sounds of "Equal Grace" (featuring Melford on harmonium, an instrument that I'd really like to hear more of if anybody has any suggestions, and Kenny Wollesen venturing well into Cyro Baptista territory with some bubbling, liquid percussion sounds) and "Orange" (which starts out foreboding as all hell, but opens up into strongly-"felt" explorations before long... I originally thought that the Mingus reference in the liner notes was a cop-out, but it fits after listening to the track a couple of times...). My command of any sort of jazz-related vocabulary is still too weak for me to say that I don't make a lot of Oscar Peterson comparisons solely on the tinkling character of a lot of the playing, but I will give Melford credit for having produced one of the first lively-sounding piano albums that I've ever heard which I'm willing to explore further in spite of the presence of an instrument that I generally dislike so much. - Kevin Drumm, "Comedy": I have to echo Jesse Kudler's comments with respect to Drumm's sparse sounds as feeling somehow "right". Drumm's performance at the Music Gallery here in Toronto last summer was a real ear-opener for me, with so much space in between the nervously-anticipated bursts of guitar skronk and popping that I couldn't help but listen intently even when absolutely nothing was been played, and at that point, I had to wonder if the wooden creakings of the performance space weren't meant to be incorporated into the overall experience. I'm sure that there are plenty of other composers out there who do very similar things (Bernhard Gunter immediately comes to mind), but Drumm was the first one to break through my many years of rock-music conditioning, so... um... yeah. Go, Jesse. "Comedy" is a pretty sweet disc. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Ulf Wakenius, and Jonas Johansen a good gig? Date: 28 Dec 2000 17:57:25 +1030 Hi all, These 2 nordic fellows are coming by our city soon, I was wondering if = the consesus was poitive or newgative regarding me attending, the advert = says "Worlds number 1 bassist...etc etc" Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: ex orkest Date: 28 Dec 2000 11:17:58 +0100 according to Mr. Vatcher there´s indeed a cd in the pipe, but no concrete release date so far. another good news for the europeans: there are plans to present the ex orkest at the saalfelden festival next year! Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Favorites of 2000 Date: 28 Dec 2000 08:23:31 -0800 (PST) --- Jesse Kudler wrote: > That brings up a question I've been wondering about > recently, actually. How > often does everyone listen to all the stuff on their > end of year lists? ...I feel > like I need another year > to digest everything I've heard this year before I > can even form cogent > opinions. That's ironic especially when you > consider that most people's > year-end lists emphasize releases that came out in > the last few weeks/months.... This is a great question; I know I've been guilty before of assertions and recommendations which are driven by hype, the flush of enthusiasm, or simply a contingent impression easily swayed by, well, finishing the record. I don't think there's this desperate "Top 5" sensibility on this list; everything is seen as rather contingent: "current favorites" etc. There are records I have owned for one month now that I've listened to six or seven times, a couple times all the way through, with undivided attention. I've probably heard the Morton Feldman box 30 or 40 times, but that's because I've lived with it...I don't call falling asleep with his music a "listen", though like noh, semi-consciousness might offer up new angles for perception. Some other records I've had all year, but haven't listened to much at all. This leads me to my point about attention and exposure... [re: Scott's weird "asterisk system"] > Does this mean you only listened to all the > non-asterisk stuff once? No, but the asterisks let me make a statement in the superlative without being overly obnoxious; I should have said, "You've got to hear this shit!" Why didn't GET UP WITH IT or LES STANCES à SOPHIE get asterisks? Damned if I know. Maybe it's because I have not "absorbed" them yet, though I'm a little suspicious of this idea, which seems to refer to apprehension of the "completeness" of thing. Sometimes one audition, one experience, even an inattentive experience, can be more stimulating than repeated contact with said thing, which can serve to dull the experience, even as one comes into "full" understanding of the thing. The familiarity (or one's assumption of familiarity) breeds contempt for the thing: this includes dismissal, jadedness, or facile praise. (I saw Malick's film THE THIN RED LINE and loved it; the second and third times were disappointing; likewise, one careful listen to Dafeldecker's and Roberts' ALUMINUM would have been remarkably stimulating, and for me sufficient.) I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's much to be said for an artist's latest work being her personal favorite, or a listener's most recent experiences being the most vivid and alive. This belies notions of complete knowledge, absorption, or timelessness. I'm clumsily essaying a phenomenological (??) approach to my listening, which is more concerned with what attention and contact do _to me_, than with the notion of whether the sound object has been "truly heard". (Cf. the discussion of Jimi Hendrix in WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP) (On second thought, don't.) ----s P.S. Nice review of Drumm's COMEDY. I need to dig this out and give it its proper attention. I gave it a cowardly, interrupted audition, and put it in my glove copartment. It scared me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: xu feng recording date Date: 28 Dec 2000 12:14:27 -0500 Does the CD for "Xu Feng" omit the recording date or am I just spacing out? There's an "August 4, 1985" tucked under the jewel case inside but that's apparently a composition date. LT - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Favorites of 2000 Date: 28 Dec 2000 11:26:29 -0700 >Did anyone else hear "Comedy"? I listened to the first track of someone else's copy. I still listen to "second" however. The long bookend tracks are excellent but the 2-3 min mid-track seems a bit...it gives the whole album the feel of working outside under the hot sun all morning and heading to one of those walk in freezers for lunch and then resuming work from a slightly different (afternoon?) type perspective. So, nevermind, I guess I like the whole thing. FWIW - there are some recordings which don't demand my full attention for enjoyment. This one does. I find that if I try to do anything else while this recording is playing then I am often compelled to turn it off. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: xu feng recording date Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:58:25 -0400 The date is in the CD booklet, right there when you open the CD box (that would be the back of the booklet). You have the lineup and then the next line says: recorded at DIFFERENT FUR, SF 5/28/00 Neil H. Enet ------------ NP. CIBO MATTO viva! la woman -----Original Message----- Does the CD for "Xu Feng" omit the recording date or am I just spacing out? There's an "August 4, 1985" tucked under the jewel case inside but that's apparently a composition date. LT - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:58:23 -0400 I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this type of playing? OH, another thing ... I just found out (haven't heard) of a group called CALLA which are supposed to play somekind of AVANT-ROCKABILLY. Anybody have any info on this band? Thanx Neil H. Enet ------------ NP. CIBO MATTO viva! la woman - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:00:25 EST In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes: << I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this type of playing? >> the second one, For Your Pleasure, is the only other one with Brian Eno on it, and is my favorite one from start to finish. you also should check out the first two solo Eno CDs, Here Come The Warm Jets and Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy, and the superb "supergroup" on 801 Live. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 11:57:45 -0800 I too want to add my thoughts on the early Roxy Music stuff. It is simply fantastic and you should also get the first two Eno albums. As of CALLA, I haven't heard them, but by the description they sound promising. Oh on a Roxy Music note, you may want to check out some of the Joe Meek recordings. Maybe the first 'space-age avant' rock record maker. Meek was a total out there British independent record producer from the very late 50's to the time of his death in 1967. Electronics with twangy guitars via his big hit with the Tornandos 'Telestar.' My personal favorite of his recordings is The Honeycombs 'Have I the Right.' -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 15:21:39 EST --part1_51.5685173.277cfad3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, nilugo@usa.net writes: > I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised > when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" > dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if > other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this > type of playing? > While the first, self-titled Roxy Music album is probably the most eccentric of the batch, I've always thought the first five - Roxy Music, For Your Pleasure, Stranded, Country Life, and Siren - were really indispensable. For my tastes, and this may get a bit long-winded, but here goes - The self-titled album has always sounded to me like the band trying to find themselves and what they do best. This all came together on For Your Pleasure; dark, mysterious, weird, and haunting, and pushing "pop songs" probably as far as they could go. On Stranded, former Frank Zappa band member Eddie Jobson replaced Eno, and while a lot of the eccentricities left with Eno, Jobson's frequent violin parts add a different dark texture to a lot of the material. Country Life refined all of this again - there's still a definite, distinct style that to me no one else has ever approached, but the songs are shorter and in a somewhat more "traditional" style of writing. Its still very dark and haunting though, Lots of minor keys, drones, and a sense of longing in both the music and lyrics, even in the most upbeat, last track, Prairie Rose - which to me is still a real gem. By the time of Siren in 1975, the band reached their popular success and was having a lot of internal stress at the same time. Siren was yet more polished and streamlined, which most likely is part of the reason it yielded two hit singles - Love Is the Drug and Both Ends Burning. After that, I really lost interest - there was a 3-year silence until the release of Manifesto, and at this point, it became more obvious that Roxy was reduced to the core of Ferry, Manzanera and MacKay, plus hired guns; and the albums became increasingly interchangeable with Bryan Ferry's solo records. But boy, especially For Your Pleasure through Siren...I go back to those regularly and still find them well-worth the time invested. If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go into that even MORE! Dale. --part1_51.5685173.277cfad3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, nilugo@usa.net
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I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised
when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop"
dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good.  Anybody know if
other ROXY MUSIC album are like this?  Or any other "pop" album with this
type of playing?

While the first, self-titled Roxy Music album is probably the most eccentric
of the batch, I've always thought the first five - Roxy Music, For Your
Pleasure, Stranded, Country Life, and Siren - were really indispensable. For
my tastes, and this may get a bit long-winded, but here goes - The
self-titled album has always sounded to me like the band trying to find
themselves and what they do best. This all came together on For Your
Pleasure; dark, mysterious, weird, and haunting, and pushing "pop songs"
probably as far as they could go. On Stranded, former Frank Zappa band member
Eddie Jobson replaced Eno, and while a lot of the eccentricities left with
Eno, Jobson's frequent violin parts add a different dark texture to a lot of
the material. Country Life refined all of this again - there's still a
definite, distinct style that to me no one else h! as ever approached, but the
songs are shorter and in a somewhat more "traditional" style of writing. Its
still very dark and haunting though, Lots of minor keys, drones, and a sense
of longing in both the music and lyrics, even in the most upbeat, last track,
Prairie Rose - which to me is still a real gem. By the time of Siren in 1975,
the band reached their popular success and was having a lot of internal
stress at the same time. Siren was yet more polished and streamlined, which
most likely is part of the reason it yielded two hit singles - Love Is the
Drug and Both Ends Burning. After that, I really lost interest - there was a
3-year silence until the release of Manifesto, and at this point, it became
more obvious that Roxy was reduced to the core of Ferry, Manzanera and
MacKay, plus hired guns; and the albums became increasingly interchangeable
with Bryan Ferry's solo records. But boy, especially For Your Pleasure
through! Siren...I go back to those regularly and still find them well-worth
the time invested.

If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go into that even MORE! <G>

Dale.
--part1_51.5685173.277cfad3_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 12:53:50 -0800 (PST) --- TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go > into that even MORE! I for one would be interested to hear opinions and estimations of Eno's work. I've heard so little, but I had a great experience not even a month ago with WARM JETS. If this isn't Eno "best" work, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to start buying again. I can't believe it's taken me so long to find this record....where have I been? From the first warbly texture-guitar riff I knew I was back to the future: five second into the record and I know where My Bloody Valentine's LOVELESS came from. Same with Can and Faust---last year's interest in "post-rock" seems ill-placed now. "Post", indeed. Go home, Tortoise. ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Joe Meek Date: 28 Dec 2000 16:24:16 -0500 (EST) Yeah, But he didn't use (and abuse jazz musicians) the way his American "competitor" Phil Spector did, though. Look at the collective personnel for some of those Philles sessions -- Shelly Manne, Dennis Budimer, Ray Brown, Conte Condoli, Barney Kessel et. al. At least they probably got the $$ from that to play their own gigs. And I'd certainly stack up "River Depp and Moutain High" and "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" against "Have I The Right" any day. Meek sure did check out in an interesting way though. Ken Waxman (N.P. Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus) --- Tosh wrote: > > Oh on a Roxy Music note, you may want to check out > some of the Joe Meek recordings. Maybe the first 'space-age avant' rock record maker. Meek was a total out there British independent record producer from the very late 50's to the time of his death in 1967. Electronics with twangy guitarsvia his big hit with the Tornandos 'Telestar.' My personal favorite of > his recordings is The Honeycombs 'Have I the Right.' _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Joe Meek, Roxy Music, and Eno Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:00:02 -0800 Oh, I think Spector is great, but Meek is really unusual. And perhaps my fascination with Meek is very 'subjective' type of taste: but worth checking out. And yes Meek did have an 'interesting' lifestyle. But for hardcore fans of the first Roxy Music album, I would suggest checking out Joe Meek recordings. For those who want recommendations (and some Meek is horrible) do write. On the subject matter of Eno, I am a huge fan of his first three solo albums. But I got tired of his pretentiousness with respect to his later art and productions. Plus reading his diary (put out a couple a years ago) was a big turn-off. I think Zorn is a much better artist than Eno. Although I am a fan of Eno's work with Bowie - including Bowie's 'Outside' album. I find Zorn fun, and Eno kind of serious in a very un-humorous style. In a nutshell, Eno was a major force in pop music, but I think he lost the pilot in his later work. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 17:05:43 -0500 > >I for one would be interested to hear opinions and >estimations of Eno's work. I've heard so little, but >I had a great experience not even a month ago with >WARM JETS. If this isn't Eno "best" work, then I'm >afraid I'm going to have to start buying again. If you like Warm Jets then you'll also like Taking Tiger Mountain, both concentrate on the avant-pop song form. My favorite is still Another Green World which is a bit more on the instrumental side with some pieces that foreshadow the ambient thing., Plus, it contains what is arguably some of the finest playing on record by Robert Fripp, Percy Jones and (believe it or not)Phil Collins. Also worth checking out are Before and After Science, and his collaboration with John Cale; "Wrong Way Up". And if you're on a serious British avant-pop bent, try to dig up some of the early work of Kevin Godley & Lol Creme, particularly the album simply entitled "L" Rich - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Re: Favorites of 2000 Date: 31 Dec 2000 08:56:27 +1030 It surprises me also that many of you can have lists "So long", (List = envy!) I have an entire collection of about the same number of items some of = you listed for this year. I know I have many disc here, that I have only listened to onece, maybe = some I havent even listened too. I recently found a copy of Naked city = live in Geneva, that I dont even know where i got it? Do many of you spend an allocated amount on music per week?, How often = are you dissapointed by what you purchase? Do you tell the store/artist = what you thought of the disc? Do people here sell "Crap" that they bought in order to fund better = discs? Sorry if my questions are odd, but judging by the lists some of you = spend 1000's of dollars a year on music, surely you must "manage " the = spending in some way or other. Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 18:19:49 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes: > > << I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised > when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" > dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if > other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this > type of playing? >> > > the second one, For Your Pleasure, is the only other one with Brian Eno on > it, and is my favorite one from start to finish. Seconded. I also find 'Stranded,' the third album and the first post-Eno, to have more than ita share of eccentricity. It's not as out there as the first two, but it's strong and underrated. And, like Dale, I also retain great affection for the next two discs, 'Country Life' and 'Siren,' though by this point the band was clearly Ferry's, with Mackay, Manzanera and Thompson relegated to virtual sideman status. Mackay and Manzanera at least managed to do some interesting side projects (I think Mackay's cover of "Wild Weekend" can be omitted from the list, perhaps). Manzanera, in particular, had a string of interesting albums, plus 801 and the Quiet Sun reunion disc, 'Mainstream.' Manzanera and Mackay's mid-80s Roxy spinoff band The Explorers, however, is New Romantic chaff to be avoided. Even as Roxy Music transformed into the Bryan Ferry Band in all but name, they still made some excellent music. 'Manifesto' and 'Flesh + Blood' are pale by comparison to earlier achievements, but fine pop albums taken on their own. And 'Avalon' is a fairly staggering piece of adult pop, every note perfectly placed and glistening. The neo-swing album released this year aside, Ferry's been mining the ground broken on 'Avalon' ever since. > you also should check out the first two solo Eno CDs, Here Come The Warm Jets > and Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy I'll second this as well. The following two albums, 'Anther Green World' and 'Before and After Science' are also well worth checking out. They're less frenetic than 'Here Come the Warm Jets' but often much more exploratory than 'Taking Tiger Mountain.' The prog-fusion and proto-ambient instrumentals on the former feature excellent performances by Fripp, John Cale, Percy Jones and Phil Collins, as has been previously mentioned, while the latter includes more great work from Fripp, Jones, and Collins as well as Fred Frith and Jaki Liebezeit, with such strong material as the slithering instrumental "Energy Fools the Magician" (which I first heard on the 'Rock'n'Roll High School' soundtrack!), the Talking Heads tribute "King's Lead Hat," and "Kurt's Rejoinder," which "samples" Schwitters's Ursonate. 'Nerve Net,' from the early '90s, is similar but lesser, though here again Fripp plays really well, as does Robert Quine. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kevin Drumm/Martin Tetreault, 10, 'Particles and Smears' (Erstwhile) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Roxy Music Date: 28 Dec 2000 18:25:24 EST In a message dated Thu, 28 Dec 2000 3:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Scott Handley writes: << --- TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go > into that even MORE! I for one would be interested to hear opinions and estimations of Eno's work. I've heard so little, but I had a great experience not even a month ago with WARM JETS. If this isn't Eno "best" work, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to start buying again >> Might I also suggest his 1998 offering _Nerve Net_ which is a return to his "rock" roots after almost a decade of ambient offerings. Fripp has some great shred on this one, and Eno has lots of support from a slew of other top-notch players. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Eddie Jobson [was Re: Roxy Music] Date: 28 Dec 2000 18:42:00 -0500 --------------59ED990B1237FD22488656B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > On Stranded, former Frank Zappa band member > Eddie Jobson replaced Eno Actually, I think Jobson's stint with Zappa came after his Roxy days, although I've only got circumstantial evidence upon which to base this. Previously a member of Curved Air, Jobson was with Roxy Music from 1973 to 1975. He then appears on the cover of (but doesn't actually seem to play on) Zappa's 'Zoot Allures,' which dates from late 1976. Patrick O'Hearn and Terry Bozzio are the other two musicians pictured on that cover besides Zappa and Jobson, but only Bozzio plays on the album. I can't actually recall ever seeing a Zappa album on which Jobson plays. But at the very least, a connection was made between Jobson and Bozzio, as the former drafted the latter to replace Bill Bruford in U.K. some years later. Jobson seems to be a rather pronounced example of someone who's too much of a perfectionist for his own good. As a result, after U.K. he's not managed to do much of anything - a brief stint in Jethro Tull, one fairly bad pop-prog album ('The Green Album'), one new age solo album ('Theme of Secrets'), an almost-stint in Yes around the time of '90125' (I think he actually appears briefly in the video for "Owner of a Lonely Heart"), and a long-delayed and finally aborted U.K. reunion album. I think he survives by writing jingles for commercials. A shame, because he did some fine things on those few Roxy Music albums, as well as the side projects by Ferry, Mackay and Manzanera. I loved what you had to say about the Roxy albums, though. It's got me in the mood to go pull them out tonight... Steve Smith, prog dork ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kevin Drumm/Martin Tetreault, 14, 'Particles and Smears' (Erstwhile) --------------59ED990B1237FD22488656B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
On Stranded, former Frank Zappa band member
Eddie Jobson replaced Eno
<anal retentive>

Actually, I think Jobson's stint with Zappa came after his Roxy days, although I've only got circumstantial evidence upon which to base this.  Previously a member of Curved Air, Jobson was with Roxy Music from 1973 to 1975.  He then appears on the cover of (but doesn't actually seem to play on) Zappa's 'Zoot Allures,' which dates from late 1976.  Patrick O'Hearn and Terry Bozzio are the other two musicians pictured on that cover besides Zappa and Jobson, but only Bozzio plays on the album.  I can't actually recall ever seeing a Zappa album on which Jobson plays.  But at the very least, a connection was made between Jobson and Bozzio, as the former drafted the latter to replace Bill Bruford in U.K. some years later.

Jobson seems to be a rather pronounced example of someone who's too much of a perfectionist for his own good.  As a result, after U.K. he's not managed to do much of anything - a brief stint in Jethro Tull, one fairly bad pop-prog album ('The Green Album'), one new age solo album ('Theme of Secrets'), an almost-stint in Yes around the time of '90125' (I think he actually appears briefly in the video for "Owner of a Lonely Heart"), and a long-delayed and finally aborted U.K. reunion album.  I think he survives by writing jingles for commercials.  A shame, because he did some fine things on those few Roxy Music albums, as well as the side projects by Ferry, Mackay and Manzanera.

</anal retentive>

I loved what you had to say about the Roxy albums, though.  It's got me in the mood to go pull them out tonight...

Steve Smith, prog dork
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Kevin Drumm/Martin Tetreault, 14, 'Particles and Smears' (Erstwhile) --------------59ED990B1237FD22488656B2-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: I-Sound/DJ Scud Date: 28 Dec 2000 18:57:14 EST anyone looking for a serious dose of apocalyptic electronica to close out the millenium should check out the I-Sound/DJ Scud midnight show tonight at Tonic. not sure exactly how to describe what they do, maybe more musical digital hardcore. here's a review of their split EP from the May Wire by Peter Shapiro: <> anyway, I'm psyched. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson [was Re: Roxy Music] Date: 28 Dec 2000 18:45:17 -0600 >I can't actually recall ever seeing a Zappa album on which Jobson plays. I think he only played on the live album "In New York", (1976-77). >I think he survives by writing jingles for commercials. A shame, because he did >some fine things on those few Roxy Music albums, as well as the side projects by >Ferry, Mackay and Manzanera. He has also fairly recently been doing music for TV shows, two examples being Viper and Nash Bridges. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson [was Re: Roxy Music] Date: 28 Dec 2000 20:10:48 EST --part1_3e.55c637a.277d3e98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/00 6:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > I think Jobson's stint with Zappa came after his Roxy days, although I've > only got circumstantial evidence upon which to base this. Previously a > member of Curved Air, Jobson was with Roxy Music from 1973 to 1975. He > then appears on the cover of (but doesn't actually seem to play on) Zappa's > 'Zoot Allures,' which dates from late 1976. You're right Steve, I interviewed Jobson for Trouser Press (and I'll bet that will jog your memory!) while he was doing the Zappa tour for Zoot Alures (which was after Roxy). He did say that he's not actually on that album, but was a member of the band at the time so he was included in the cover photos. As for which Zappa albums he actually plays on....I'm not about to go digging through the Zappa archive right now, but I'm sure it'll be bugging me enough to soon. Dale. --part1_3e.55c637a.277d3e98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/00 6:42:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:


I think Jobson's stint with Zappa came after his Roxy days, although I've
only got circumstantial evidence upon which to base this.  Previously a
member of Curved Air, Jobson was with Roxy Music from 1973 to 1975.  He
then appears on the cover of (but doesn't actually seem to play on) Zappa's
'Zoot Allures,' which dates from late 1976.  
You're right Steve, I interviewed Jobson for Trouser Press (and I'll bet that
will jog your memory!) while he was doing the Zappa tour for Zoot Alures
(which was after Roxy). He did say that he's not actually on that album, but
was a member of the band at the time so he was included in the cover photos.
As for which Zappa albums he actually plays on....I'm not about to go digging
through the Zappa archive right now, but I'm sure it'll be bugging me enough
to soon.

Dale.
--part1_3e.55c637a.277d3e98_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson [was Re: Roxy Music] Date: 28 Dec 2000 21:09:44 -0500 --============_-1234065754==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >You're right Steve, I interviewed Jobson for Trouser Press (and I'll bet that >will jog your memory!) while he was doing the Zappa tour for Zoot Alures >(which was after Roxy). He did say that he's not actually on that album, but >was a member of the band at the time so he was included in the cover photos. >As for which Zappa albums he actually plays on....I'm not about to go digging >through the Zappa archive right now, but I'm sure it'll be bugging me enough >to soon. Jobson's on the Live in NY album. And even has his own feature piece "I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth" on that record. Right after that Zappa had his falling out with Warner Bros and didn't release anything new for a few years, by which time Jobson was gone. He's also appears on some of the You Cant Do That Anymore series, and on at least one of Zappa's Sat Nite Live appearances. --============_-1234065754==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Eddie Jobson [was Re: Roxy Music]
You're right Steve, I interviewed Jobson for Trouser Press (and I'll bet that
will jog your memory!) while he was doing the Zappa tour for Zoot Alures
(which was after Roxy). He did say that he's not actually on that album, but
was a member of the band at the time so he was included in the cover photos.
As for which Zappa albums he actually plays on....I'm not about to go digging
through the Zappa archive right now, but I'm sure it'll be bugging me enough
to soon.

        Jobson's on the Live in NY album. And even has his own feature piece "I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth" on that record.  Right after that Zappa had his falling out with Warner Bros and didn't release anything new for a few years, by which time Jobson was gone. He's also appears on some of the You Cant Do That Anymore series, and on at least one of Zappa's Sat Nite Live appearances.
--============_-1234065754==_ma============-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Re: More percussion music in RealAudio Date: 28 Dec 2000 21:14:02 -0600 herb... all i can say... is that by having this percussion theme radio show this week... you have really really brightened my day. thank you so much. -samuel (who was having a bad day until a few minutes ago) - _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: calla [was: Roxy Music] Date: 29 Dec 2000 00:02:56 -0500 Hello, >OH, another thing ... I just found out (haven't heard) of a group called >CALLA which are supposed to play somekind of AVANT-ROCKABILLY. Anybody >have any info on this band? I know of a band called Calla from New York. I hope it's the same band you are talking about... I don't know much about them. I have only heard their music once when they opened for godspeed you black emperor! in Montreal three weeks ago. Their 50 minutes set was correct, but I can't say I enjoyed it that much. Their cover of "I Shall Be Released" was nice though. It was probably the most up-beat song of their set, or at least one of the most consistant/coherant one. There are a three-piece band: one guitarist/singer, one bassist and one keyboardist/percussionist/beatbox-start-button-pusher(!)/etc. So, I don't know how are their records, but I am not sure if the word "avant- rockabilly" is a good desciption. The only element of "avant" I remember could be the fact that they are using a kind of beatbox that plays not-so- conventional rythms. For the "rockabilly" aspect, the only realtion I can see comes from the guitarist who uses a lot of delay. Or maybe it's their look... but then again it is pretty far from the typical rockabilly image! To me, they are more a rock/post-rock/indie rock/alternative music/How-do-you-call- this-music-made-with-guitar/bass/drum-nowadays. Over all, some of their songs are nice, but some are just going nowhere in my humble opinion. Some songs just miss a direction. They sometimes have some nice melodies or riffs though. They are not bad, not just my cup of tea. This being said, their music is not so easy to describe. Hope it helps, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: buying, collecting, space, packaging Date: 29 Dec 2000 01:10:22 EST In a message dated 12/28/00 7:27:27 PM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Sorry if my questions are odd, but judging by the lists some of you spend 1000's of dollars a year on music, surely you must "manage " the spending in some way or other. Case >> Dear Case, Afraid at least for me it's just a sick, compulsive, dangerous illness that the credit card companies have taken advantage of, although they've used their profits to erect statues to me. The other problem is the space these flying saucers take. I despise those ugly thick plastic sleeves Cadence is selling, and have instead taken to combining two single discs in empty double-slim cases. It's cheaper than buying new furniture, and in my case at least, there ARE no more walls. Of course beautifully packaged discs are kept proudly singular. (new yorker's beware: tower main store sells em for a buck and a half; their sale annex same thingie for 59 cents). for the compulsive ways of storing two in one most beautifully, ask in private :) and big kisses to labels like leo golden years, between the lines and random acoustics for their very thin but sturdy and beautiful gatefold CD sleeves. boo to hatHut for them flimsy thingies which bend plus the discs fall out on the floor, and winter+winter's just scare me, beautiful tho they beez. still confused about how i feel about the folio wisp'o'sleeves like intransitive and x-or: beaitufl but w/o a printed spine i can't browse and remember to pull em out and play em. (i got em all afabetical, ya see.) joy to all, and long live vinyl. especially colored vinyl. steve koenig n.p.: 7" of "walking on thin ice" yoko ono - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson [was Re: Roxy Music] Date: 29 Dec 2000 02:56:29 -0500 At 06:42 PM 12/28/00 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >>>> I can't actually recall ever seeing a Zappa album on which Jobson plays. <<<<<<<< Found an EJ discography at http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/ronc/itdon/jobsondiscog.html (thank you google), which lists the following FZ entries: Zoot Allures (76): J. pictured on cover, but doesn't play!; CD In New York (76): featured on "I Promise Not To..."; CD Shut Up 'N' Play Yer Guitar! (76): on "Pink Napkins"; CD Studio Tan (76): one track: "Let Me Take You To The Beach"; CD Conceptual Continuity (76): "official" bootleg; CD Leatherette (76): bootleg; CD; 3 songs? Titties & Beer (77): Paris bootleg The Black Page (77): Amsterdam bootleg Miami Matinee, Vols 1 & 2 (76): bootleg YCDTOSA Vol 6.: on Black Napkins & ...Gas Station only; CD Remington Electric Razor: one track only; boot Marvellous Stunner (76) Detroit, Nov 19. (same date as Conceptual Continuity, but same boot?); boot video:Saturday Night Live Apppearance -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: souviens-toi de m'oublier Date: 29 Dec 2000 17:54:29 -0500 have i just said something suggestive? i just picked up this record by catherine deneuve, haven't even listened to it yet. it's a french import on mercury/philips/polygram, and all the notes are in french. it looks to me like all of the songs are be gainsgourg ("paroles et musique: serge gainsbourge") and looks to be from 1981. am i sussing accurately? if it's from 81 (the cover photo of deneuve looks to be about that date as well), then it's later than anything i've heard by gainsbourg. how does later stuff fare? is he still living? has he heard the zorn disc? happy new year, all! kg np: nina simone - i put a spell on you - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: souviens-toi de m'oublier Date: 29 Dec 2000 15:23:42 -0800 Catherine Deneuve rocks! That album is great. It has a 'I don't give a fuck' attitude and it really puts a smile on my face, and no I am sad to say that Gainsbourg passed away in 1991. The other later work by Gainsbourg I really like is his daughter's album 'Lemon Incest.' That song alone is worth the whole album. If one is not familiar with Gainsbourg's music, I strongly suggest getting the three CD's that was put out by Mercury Records a couple of years ago. One is the Jazz one (my personal favorite) that covers the late 50's to early 60's, then there is the Latin collection that covers the same period. The third is the 'pop' collection 1960's -early 70's. If that wets your ears, then go on to his masterpiece Melody Nelson. That I think is everyone's favorite Gainsbourg album. And if I may give a little plug - do read Gainsbourg's novel Evguenie Sokolov. You can read reviews and get information through the website address down below (TamTam Books). -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: My own favourites, 'cause I wanna be a Pepper too. Date: 29 Dec 2000 20:39:19 -0500 A couple of favourite listening experiences and musical discoveries from the past year, just for the sake of sharing: - Blackalicious, "A2G": Yeah, it was released in 1999, but so was Mike Ladd's "Welcome to the Afterfuture", and I only stumbled upon it this past summer. Technique-oriented where Ladd concentrates on having something to say, it shows off Gift of Gab's awesome sense of rhythm and spontaneous command of the English language more effectively and energetically than the slower-paced but more ambitious "Nia". (For what it's worth, I've probably listened to the Ladd disc more than "A2G", but I still think that Gift is a far more accomplished rapper.) - Haunted House, "Up in Flames": Again, I only got around to buying the thing around the end of the summer, but I love it to death... it and Caspar Brotzmann's "Mute Massaker" have re-awakened my interest in the guitar as a brilliantly expressive tool. - Cooper-Moore, "Deep in the Neighbourhood of History and Influence": I don't even know when it was released, but it's a wonderfully expressive bit of music and story-telling that has the added bonus of having been recorded just down the street from where I was living at the time of the performance. (And, dammit, I didn't know about until two days after it had happened...) - Coil, "Musick to Play in the Dark, vol.2": It's beautiful, it's otherworldly, and it doesn't sound entirely like a bunch of dreary campfire songs, which the first one did a bit too often for my liking. Start-to-finish gorgeous. - Susie Ibarra, "Flower After Flower": Nice solo vignettes rounded out with gorgeous ensemble pieces... it's a well-balanced and beautifully-executed disc. - Legendary Pink Dots, "A Perfect Mystery": One of their first outings in years that I've really liked... not too heavy on the drugged-addled folk end of things, and able to convey some of the gravity-defying energy of their concerts once or twice (especially on the last track, which practically calls a mothership down from the ether after a couple of minutes). - Del the Funky Homosapien, "Both Sides of the Brain" and/or "Deltron 3030": They both have their shaky moments, and both pack just a bit too much filler to be considered great on their own merits, but Del is one of the most imaginative rappers out there right now... more MCs need to be willing to risk looking like goofballs if hip-hop is ever going to break away from the cliches of gangsta-ism. - Melt-Banana, "Teeny-Shiny": The rockingest rock record I've heard in years (though PJ Harvey's "Kamikaze" gets the nod for the single best rock song I've heard in *forever*), and all the proof that I'll ever need that the Japanese *do* get rock music from time to time. - Primal Scream, "Exterminator": Probably the second-best rock record of the year (it has one or two clunkers right in the middle), and one that dethrones PJ Harvey's "Is This Desire?" as my favourite blending of techno and rock to date. - The The, "Naked Self": Proof that pop songs on major labels don't have to suck, and all the inspiration that I'll ever need to want to become a recording engineer... there's so much going on in here that I *need* to be able to contribute to something similar to express my gratitude. - Myra Melford/Crush, "Dance Beyond the Color": I've given it another couple of days and another dozen or so listens, and it still fascinates me... there's depth and breadth here that I just don't feel in most jazz, and a healthy dollop of exoticism to add to the list of Good Things That Can Be Said About The Disc. - Ninja Tune's "Xen Cuts" comp: There's only a single disc's worth of brilliant material in here, but I'm not going to sneeze at the prospect of getting three discs' worth of pretty good material for less money than I pay for just about any single-disc import. - Saul Williams at Lee's Palace: The future of poetry and the future of rap, all at once. If he and his band can improvise something as crushingly powerful as the show that I saw back in October, then I can't wait to hear what they thought was actually good enough to commit to tape. - Kevin Drumm at the Music Gallery: As I've mentioned before, it was an ear-opener that has done me no end of good in terms of my approach to listening to *anything*. - Headtoast, Estradasphere and Secret Chiefs 3 at Lee's Palace: The PA at Lee's sucks rocks, but the enthusiasm in the first two performances and the flat-out skill in the last two more than made up for the muddy sound. Anybody who was disappointed by the Estradasphere album really does need to hear them live... there's a spark there that just didn't make it on to the CD. I'll shut up now. Thanks for reading. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Date: 29 Dec 2000 21:26:00 EST this is a great fairly unknown funk record from one of Miles Davis' wives, recorded in 1974, and reissued a few different times on CD (www.dustygroove.com has the current version, I believe). she recorded three records from 1973-1975, of which this is the middle one. the first self-titled one isn't quite as strong, and I haven't heard the third one yet. anyway, recommended for those of you who have already worn out your copies of early Funkadelic and late Sly and the Family Stone discs. it's not new, not newly reissued, just pretty great. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Questions (Gillett, Ong, and Berube) Date: 30 Dec 2000 04:07:29 -0500 Jesse Kudler wrote: > Which one's this again? Anyone else heard any of the recent bunch of > Palestine CD's? I just picked up (in Italy, on vacation) one called "Continuous Sound Sources" or somothing (it's still packed), consisting of two long works, one for two harpsichords (1978) and his earliest piece for Boesendorfer (1971). Sounded ok on one discman hearing, though not as overwhelming as other works. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Speaking of Roxy Music... Date: 30 Dec 2000 09:39:43 -0800 Speaking of Roxy Music I read in today's L.A. Times that there was trouble on a flight from London to Kenya. A very troubled man came into the cockpit and tried to force the plane to crash. Crew and passengers stopped the man, but he did cause the plane to nosedive. Two of the passengers were Bryan Ferry and his wife. In the paper there was a photograph by one of the passengers of what was happening on the plane - even though he was facing death, Ferry looked very handsome and poised. Not a typical Roxy Music event, but still, looking cool to what he must have thought was the end. Happily it wasn't. I want to wish a very happy new year to Bryan Ferry and his family from a fan... -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Yahoo! Date: 30 Dec 2000 14:40:21 -0500 People, Happy new year to all and thanks for all the words. If there was one thing I would like to see more of in 2001 it would be more reviews of live performances. Peace - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Date: 30 Dec 2000 15:08:55 -0500 Just looked to see if I could pick this up cheap on eBay (something that's becoming less likely as the company tries to solidify its financial standing with Wall Street) and noticed it going for $36 when you can buy it new from Dusty Groove for $14! I'd been interested ever since reading an ambivalent Christgau review that still sounded like a cool album but just never got around to tracking it down. LT Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: User384726@aol.com Subject: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet(zorn content)/Ives Date: 30 Dec 2000 21:03:03 EST --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it. This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass), Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in terms of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional squeaks and squeals most of the album is very normal (especially considering the musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician are being restrained. But there is definitely some amazing playing on this album. I do prefer the Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz albums go, to this but maybe I'm not hearing it right. What did the rest of you think of this album? Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific recording of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a female singer. I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this older recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious. I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific. Thanks for any help. Happy New Year, Aaron Solomon --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it.  
This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass),
Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte.  The album is very straight ahead both in terms
of playing and arranging.  While there still are the occasional squeaks and
squeals most of the album is very normal (especially considering the
musicians).  It at times almost feels like the musician are being restrained.
 But there is definitely some amazing playing on this album.  I do prefer the
Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz albums go, to this but maybe I'm not
hearing it right.  What did the rest of you think of this album?
Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific recording
of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a female
singer.  I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this older
recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious.  I'm sorry I
couldn't be more specific.  Thanks for any help.  



                                                         Happy New Year,
                                                              Aaron Solomon  



--part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: western film scores Date: 30 Dec 2000 23:39:17 +0000 hello, being a fan of billy bob thorton in sling blade, simple plan and the apostle i was thrilled to see he had made a film of a cormak mcarthy (spelling is probably wrong here) book, so i went to see the darn thing and was terribly dissapointed afterwards. i should have known better when i saw the poster at the theatres. not that i thought billy bob was to be the greatest of directors, but i wasn't expecting him to pull off what he does with All the Pretty Horses. such a waste of time. the music was very bland and boring, swelling up at all the "emotional" parts with no shame. why aren't people getting competent musicians for scores these days ... bill frisell could probably dish out an AMAZING western score, maybe i'm just dreaming out loud here. must of hollywood is crap and it's going to stay crap and i'll probably get suckered in to seeing a few bad films now and again. which brings me to morricone, there is this 50$ import disk here called A FISTFULL OF FILM MUSIC, and i was wondering if it was worth picking up. get some REAL soundtrack work. has anyone heard the thing? shoop, shoop, martin dupuis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: Re: western film scores Date: 31 Dec 2000 12:33:29 +0100 >From: Philippe Dupuis >Subject: western film scores there is this 50$ import disk >here called A FISTFULL OF FILM MUSIC, and i was wondering >if it was worth picking up. get some REAL soundtrack work. >has anyone heard the thing? I own a double cd set whitch bares the title A Fistful of Sounds(BMG), which actually is the complete scores for A fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and Once upon a time in the west. I have not heard the compilation you mention, so I cannot comment on that, but what I can do is recommend A Fistful of Sounds. As you probably know there is some amazing music in all three of those films. In addition there is of course the soundtrack to The Good the Bad and the Ugly, which is brilliant. I usually steer away from Morricone compilations, trying to get hold of soundtracks for each film, but if I were to chose amongst the numerous compilation discs out there, I would chose Mondo Morricone and More Mondo Morricone(Coloseum Schallplatten). This is not western stuff, but more 60's - 70's Italian exotica stuff, and it has some great pop/cheesy classical crossover material. - Marius _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: western film scores Date: 31 Dec 2000 06:47:59 -0800 on 12/31/00 3:33 AM, Marius Ergo at mariusergo@hotmail.com wrote: > Mondo Morricone and More Mondo Morricone I too would suggest in getting these collections. Wonderful music that makes one think 'Morricone is the greatest.' I just received Taboo and Exile - and I am really happy with it. Looking forward to getting home tonight for a second listen. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Date: 31 Dec 2000 12:24:46 -0700 just a few days ago a friend of mine was pushing this album pretty heavily. I heard it briefly...I liked her almost excessive screaming instead of singing. The singing seemed kind of minimal - mostly alternating between pitched yelling and speaking. Fortunately or unfortunately for me I haven't exhausted the early Funkadelic or late Sly material. Anyway, this same friend was pushing Joe Meeks and an album by Milton Nascimento called Clube De Esquina. It was funny to me to see both betty davis and joe meeks mentioned here a day later. Matt Wirzbicki (who also heard Eno's "here come the warm jets" for the first time just this year) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Betty Davis-They Say I'm Different Date: 31 Dec 2000 14:48:16 EST In a message dated 12/31/00 2:26:08 PM, M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: << Anyway, this same friend was pushing Joe Meeks and an album by Milton Nascimento called Clube De Esquina. >> your friend has good taste. the Nascimento is one of my favorite Brazilian records, easily the best thing I've heard from him. happy New Year, everyone! Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: Arcana Date: 31 Dec 2000 18:57:10 EST --part1_5b.fee47be.278121d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just begun reading Arcana:musicians on music, and i find it to be very interesting. Scott johnson's essay is incredibly well thought out and researched...his knowledge of evolution and social/biological sciences is immense. it is great to see someone trying to link different forms of music through research and actual understanding of various principles. however, i am having some difficulty understanding certain aspects of Frances-Marie Uitti's two bowed cello experiments. how exactly is the two bow cello used, held, fingered, etc.? and what do the triangular/semicircle diagrams represent? one other comment: john zorn's "essay" seems to be a little weak to me. it is just a rather pointless description of potential visual catalysts for a musical idea... ben --part1_5b.fee47be.278121d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just begun reading Arcana:musicians on music, and i find it to be very
interesting.  
Scott johnson's essay is incredibly well thought out and researched...his
knowledge of evolution and social/biological sciences is immense.
it is great to see someone trying to link different forms of music through
research and actual understanding of various principles.  

however, i am having some difficulty understanding certain aspects of
Frances-Marie Uitti's two bowed cello experiments.  how exactly is the two
bow cello used, held, fingered, etc.? and what do the triangular/semicircle
diagrams represent?

one other comment: john zorn's "essay" seems to be a little weak to me.  it
is just a rather pointless description of potential visual catalysts for a
musical idea...

ben --part1_5b.fee47be.278121d6_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: corbett & friends cd Date: 01 Jan 2000 01:54:23 -0500 Hi, I saw this John Corbett & Friends disc "I'm Sick About My Hat" at a local used store but didn't get it. Is it worthwhile? LT Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm -