From: Whit Schonbein Subject: roxy music / brian eno Date: 01 Jan 2001 10:04:07 -0600 (CST) strange this should come up, because i was just getting into roxy music (after being unmoved by the bands work 10 years ago). i just picked up 'country life', and it is really good. i also recommend 'avalon', but it really is polished adult pop rock - sort of a soundtrack to a 'breakfast club'-style movie, only before its time (sometimes i hear the title track playing as muzak at the local grocery store, alongside donald fagen). i used to have 'for your pleasure' (10 years ago), but never got into it as what i really wanted was more eno along the lines of 'taking tiger mountain...'. as for eno - taking tiger mountain by strategy is great. the opening track 'burning airlines' is fantastic, and the rest of the album follows suit with only a few slow points. and here come the warm jets is also nice, as previously noted. my next favorite eno is 'tuesday afternoon', or 'no pussyfooting' (w/ fripp), but both of these are ambient. then his work with the talking heads is great. whit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Best of 2000 Date: 01 Jan 2001 11:49:15 EST My Favourites from 2000 would have to include... 1.)Kevin Coyne-Room Full of Fools 2.)Klimperei-La machine a Triboulet 3.)the Horse Flies-In the Dance Tent 4.)Baby Gramps-Same Ol' Timeously 5.)SoupSongs Live-The Music of Robert Wyatt 6.)Larval-Predator or Prey 7.)Bill Frisell-Ghost Town 8.)James Carter-layin' in the cut 9.)Peter Brotzmann Chicago Tentet-Stone/water 10.)Bill Brovold-Childish Delusions 11.)XTC-Wasp Star 12.)16 Horsepower-Secret South 13.)Vic Chesnutt-Merriment And of course Masada Live in Sevilla/Xu Feng Favourite Reissues include... 1.)Willem Breuker Kollektief-Summer Music 2.)The Peter Brotzmann Sextet/Quartet- Nipples 3.)Faust-The Wumme Years 1970-73 4.)4 Moondog releases on Kopf Records 5.)Sun Ra-Lanquidity Andrew-Listening to Michael Hurley, "The Bellemeade Sessions". He's the Best! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Mark Feldman and Louis Sclavis on Enja Date: 01 Jan 2001 14:04:40 -0500 Hi all: The following tidbit comes from the latest Enja Records newsletter, and contains a spot of info about a new Enja series, Enja Nova, as well as a few of its first releases. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "I Got Rhythm But No Melody," 'Mighty Lights' (Enja) - by sheer coincidence... -------- Original Message -------- CC: press@enjarecords.com distributors@enjarecords.com ENJA RECORDS Newsletter #11 Dec. 2000=20 http://www.enjarecords.com The new year will see the ENJA NOVA release of violinist Mark=20 Feldman's The Book of Tells, a string quartet for two jazz and two=20 classical string players which will be followed by Le Concerto=20 Improvis=E9 by French composer Fabien T=E9h=E9ricsen written for=20 chamber orchestra and featuring the solo clarinet of improviser=20 Louis Sclavis. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: roxy music / brian eno Date: 01 Jan 2001 14:37:25 -0500 Whit Schonbein wrote: > i also recommend > 'avalon', but it really is polished adult pop rock - sort of a soundtrack > to a 'breakfast club'-style movie, only before its time I don't disagree, but your choice of comparison is incredibly ironic. It's not commonly known, but the anthemic hit song from the soundtrack to 'The Breakfast Club,' which became a ubiquitous radio smash and propelled its performer to international (if fleeting) superstardom, was originally written specifically for Bryan Ferry. He turned it down, but I find that if you mentally reprogram the song with Ferry's unique vocal tone and inflections, the connection becomes very clear. That song was, of course, "Don't You (Forget About Me)," subsequently recorded by a little known, King Crimson-influenced Scottish avant-pop band called Simple Minds. The song was such a hit that Jim Kerr and his band spent the rest of their short moment in the spotlight trying to reproduce it. Imagine if Ferry HAD done it? Of course, I assume that he would have refrained from the "hey, hey, hey, HEY!" exhortations between choruses... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "Cagney," 'Modern Drama' (Columbia) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet(zorn content)/Ives Date: 01 Jan 2001 15:08:03 -0500 --------------09498A88B2A74AD1633310B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User384726@aol.com wrote: > I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about > it. > This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond > (bass), > Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in > terms > of playing and arranging. I think it's a great album and the one I pull out most frequently when I feel the need to prove to sceptics the fact that Zorn can indeed play "jazz." If it's restrained, I think it's willfully so - it's a respectful tribute to an overlooked bop iconoclast. Bear in mind as well that it's not Zorn's album... it's Horvitz's, and he very much intended this to be a pretty straight session, whereas Zorn's own take on bop is the much more subversive 'News for Lulu.' Horvitz mentions in the liner notes that he'd hoped to use bassist George Duvivier, who actually worked with Clark, but Duvivier passed away before the sessions. And he states it more bluntly later in the same essay: "There's nothing radical about this record in any sense." If you listen to it in that light, it reveals itself for what it is: a great bop record on which Zorn every so often simply can't keep himself from shooting off sparks. An old bophead radio DJ for whom I played the album about 14 years ago, when it was new, was delighted by what he heard. Having never encountered Zorn before, this listener said that the sax reminded him of Rahsaan Roland Kirk, even Eric Dolphy. I think Zorn might have been pleased by that. And he thought highly enough of the project to resurrect it during the legendary Zorn Month at the Knit back in '93 (with Dave Hofstra subbing for Drummond). > Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific > recording > of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a > female > singer. I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this > older > recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious. It's almost certainly the one on this CD, currently in print: Songs of Charles Ives and Ernest Bacon (CRI American Masters CD 675) Ives: 24 Songs, including Abide With Me, Two Little Flowers, The Greatest Man, Ann Street, The Children's Hour, General William Booth Enters Into Heaven, Tom Sails Away, In Flanders Fields. Helen Boatwright, soprano, John Kirkpatrick, piano Bacon: 22 Songs from Emily Dickinson. Historic Recordings of 1954 and 1965 - Helen Boatwright, soprano, Ernst Bacon, piano http://www.composersrecordings.com/cd/675.html (I only recently became aware of this disc, as Matt Moran told me these recordings are most responsible for his instrumental interpretations on his upcoming disc of Ives songs on the CRI/Blueshift label.) Happy hunting! Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "The Race," 'Modern Drama' (Columbia) --------------09498A88B2A74AD1633310B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User384726@aol.com wrote:
I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it.
This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass),
Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte.  The album is very straight ahead both in terms
of playing and arranging.
I think it's a great album and the one I pull out most frequently when I feel the need to prove to sceptics the fact that Zorn can indeed play "jazz."  If it's restrained, I think it's willfully so - it's a respectful tribute to an overlooked bop iconoclast.  Bear in mind as well that it's not Zorn's album... it's Horvitz's, and he very much intended this to be a pretty straight session, whereas Zorn's own take on bop is the much more subversive 'News for Lulu.'  Horvitz mentions in the liner notes that he'd hoped to use bassist George Duvivier, who actually worked with Clark, but Duvivier passed away before the sessions.  And he states it more bluntly later in the same essay: "There's nothing radical about this record in any sense."  If you listen to it in that light, it reveals itself for what it is: a great bop record on which Zorn every so often simply can't keep himself from shooting off sparks.  An old bophead radio DJ for whom I played the album about 14 years ago, when it was new, was delighted by what he heard.  Having never encountered Zorn before, this listener said that the sax reminded him of Rahsaan Roland Kirk, even Eric Dolphy.  I think Zorn might have been pleased by that.  And he thought highly enough of the project to resurrect it during the legendary Zorn Month at the Knit back in '93 (with Dave Hofstra subbing for Drummond).
Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific recording
of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a female
singer.  I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this older
recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious.
It's almost certainly the one on this CD, currently in print:

Songs of Charles Ives and Ernest Bacon (CRI American Masters CD 675)

Ives:  24 Songs, including Abide With Me, Two Little Flowers, The Greatest Man, Ann Street, The Children's Hour, General William Booth Enters Into Heaven, Tom Sails Away, In Flanders Fields.  Helen Boatwright, soprano, John Kirkpatrick, piano

Bacon:  22 Songs from Emily Dickinson. Historic Recordings of 1954 and 1965 - Helen Boatwright, soprano, Ernst Bacon, piano

http://www.composersrecordings.com/cd/675.html

(I only recently became aware of this disc, as Matt Moran told me these recordings are most responsible for his instrumental interpretations on his upcoming disc of Ives songs on the CRI/Blueshift label.)

Happy hunting!

Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "The Race," 'Modern Drama' (Columbia) --------------09498A88B2A74AD1633310B0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: sun ra article Date: 01 Jan 2001 17:11:41 -0500 Periodically we get questions about Sun Ra. I stumbled across an article that presents an okay overview of his work at http://www.nypress.com/content.cfm?content_id=3346&now=12/28/2000&content_se ction=2 -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Zorn-related, basically... Date: 01 Jan 2001 18:32:06 EST --part1_e6.f7f3e79.27826d76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just thought I should tell everyone there is a new list that deals with Zorn, as well as many other modern composers, filmmakers, and artists. the address is http://www.egroups.com/group/infinite_empathy. here's the blurb : French New Wave, N Sync, Bernhard Gunter, Paul McCartney, the film "Vision Quest" and other 80's teen exploitation, Jim O'Rourke, Spike Lee, Merzbow, Christina Aguilera, John Zorn, Brad Pitt + Jennifer Aniston, Fennesz, advancement of technology, madonna, Luc Ferrari, Morton Feldman, Adam Sandler, JohnCage, "Minimalism"/"Postmodernism", Dada...on and on. I don't understand what happened. Criticism provides views on art, the historical contexts. Can art only be as good as its criticism? HAVE YOU READ SPIN MAGAZINE OR ROLLING STONE OR THE WIRE? Are those reviews? Do you come away with anything from reading them? It seems like a chance to drop names and use bland adjectives to me. I don't know. This list is an attempt to gain a better understanding of why things are what they are, and what the problems are with that. from, matt --part1_e6.f7f3e79.27826d76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I just thought I should tell everyone there is a new list that deals with
Zorn, as well as many other modern composers, filmmakers, and artists.
the address is http://www.egroups.com/group/infinite_empathy.
here's the blurb :

French New Wave, N Sync, Bernhard Gunter, Paul McCartney, the film "Vision
Quest" and other 80's teen exploitation, Jim O'Rourke, Spike Lee, Merzbow,
Christina Aguilera, John Zorn, Brad Pitt + Jennifer Aniston, Fennesz,
advancement of technology, madonna, Luc Ferrari, Morton Feldman, Adam
Sandler, JohnCage, "Minimalism"/"Postmodernism", Dada...on and on. I don't
understand what happened. Criticism provides views on art, the historical
contexts. Can art only be as good as its criticism? HAVE YOU READ SPIN
MAGAZINE OR ROLLING STONE OR THE WIRE? Are those reviews? Do you come away
with anything from reading them? It seems like a chance to drop names and use
bland adjectives to me. I don't know. This list is an attempt to gain a
better understanding of why things are what they are, and what the problems
are with that.


from,
matt --part1_e6.f7f3e79.27826d76_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 01 Jan 2001 21:34:25 -500 Zorns It's been a monstrous time for tracking down records. I stumbled into used copies of Keiji Haino's "Watashi-Dake" and PSF's "Tokyo Flashback 1" Does anyone with these records and a good heart have the track titles of these two records. The Haino record is unclear at best, and the Haino, Fushitsusha, and Kousokuya tracks on the compilation are unreadable to my english-only eyes. Please email off list bg60009@binghamton.edu. And thanks a whole heck of a lot. Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Guns and Roses Date: 01 Jan 2001 22:14:45 -0500 List, The new Gun's and Roses lineup jammed at Mandalay Bay Casino in Vegas last night. New Members include: Brain and Buckethead amongst a few others I don't recognize and coudn't remember. Set list included all the G&R hits: Paradise City (opener), Patience, Welcome to the Jungle etc... The review I read said these tunes were "torn limb from limb with an energy unfamiliar to mankind" B-Head did a five minute numchuck solo with drum accompanyment. G&R tour is set for this summer and new album "Chinese Democracy" is due out in June. Curious whethor any listers would be interested in checking these cats out, Paul np: Eugene Chadbourne, Mark Dresser, Joe Morris, Susie Ibarra "Pain and Pen" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: APoesia794@aol.com Subject: sampler for sale. (no jz content) Date: 02 Jan 2001 01:47:36 EST if anyone is interested in a roland sp-202 digital sampler i am selling one. contact me privately. thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: re: arcana Date: 02 Jan 2001 07:35:47 -0600 (CST) obviouseye wrote: > however, i am having some difficulty understanding certain aspects of > Frances-Marie Uitti's two bowed cello experiments. how exactly is the > two bow cello used, held, fingered, etc.? and what do the > triangular/semicircle diagrams represent? i think the arcs represent the curvature of the strings of a cello, and the lines are the bows. so the diagrams show which strings the bows touch in each configuration. i am assuming the letters indicate the note of the open string (although i do not know the tuning on a cello). i find the essays hit-or-miss, but all are at worst interesting to read. i found the frisell bit illuminating, as it basically spells out his technique. the lewis essay on teaching music is enjoyable to me, since i also teach at the undergrad level. good book overall. (thanks, dan!) whit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: Songs-cd by Bailey and Keiji Haino Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:58:17 +0100 Hello, Someone on this list gave his 2% on the new cd by the Joseph Holbrooke 98-cd. But another cd was also published on the INCUS label.... the cd SONGS by Bailey and Keiji Haino. Anyway, the cd consists of 16 songs ranging from 52 seconds till 5.22 minutes. Derek plays guitar and Haino only sings. How does these two match? Well, on 90% of the tracks, Derek plays electric guitar. But this time he does not play that typical sharp metallic cluster style thing. His sound contains a lot of distortion and controlled feedback wich he uses to create soundscapes and not singular notes. It is great to hear these soundwaves swell and burst into metal-explosions and calm down slowly again (derek only starts "picking notes" when Haino expresses anger or aggression in his voice). Keiji Haino on the other hand only sings on top of it. Although, singing..... In his screams, sighs, shouts words, phrases, ??? All of it in japanese off course. It is difficult to say if this material is composed, improvised or made by ways of improvised composition. I sent an email to derek for the answer, and will forward it to the zornlist. Anyway, if you are a collector of derek bailey or haino (hello David Keffer), I would go for it, but it is no good cd for introduction to these artists. IMHO, the reason for this is the voice of keiji haino. I don't know if this is purpose or not, but haino just don't keep tone and sometimes it is really "challenging" for the listener. The duo guitar cd by haino and bailey was a lot better. But hey, I admit it, I am not a great fan of the singing of keiji haino, so it would be great if a haino fan listens to this cd as well and gives his opinion. Best wishes, Stefan Verstraeten stefan.annik@planetinternet.be - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James Kirchmer" Subject: MJZC: Zony Mash w/Frisell & Holcomb - 1/6/01 Seattle Date: 02 Jan 2001 06:23:59 -0800 Hi folks - Happy New Year from the Northwest USA! ("MJZC" = Marginal John Zorn content, btw ;) I write today to help get the word out about a mighty fine (and somewhat underpublicized) show coming up here in Seattle. Basically, Wayne Horvitz and Zony Mash are getting ready to record a follow up to their outstanding "American Bandstand" release. (www.songlines.com) Robin Holcomb (Wayne's wife, btw) is also set to return to the studio after a prolonged absence. So they've joined forces for a "warmup" show of sorts. Expect to hear *lots* of new tunes as these fine musicians prep for what promises to be a great new year. Here's the scoop: * Jan. 6th, at the Tractor Tavern (www.tractortavern.com) * 9pm show - $12 cover. Adv. tickets are available through Ticketweb (link via the club site). The evening will unfold as follows: 1st Set: WAYNE HORVITZ - "AMERICAN BANDSTAND" With members of Zony Mash, an all acoustic set featuring mostly new compositions - for their upcoming follow up to "American Bandstand" -> Wayne Horvitz - Piano -> Tim Young - Guitar -> Keith Lowe - Acoustic Bass -> Andy Roth - Drums 2nd Set: THE ROBIN HOLCOMB BAND w/BILL FRISELL! A final concert before going into the studio to record her first new CD in years.... (check out her profile at Allmusic for the big picture, via, what else, www.allmusic.com ....) -> Robin Holcomb - Piano and Voice -> Bill Frisell - Guitar -> Wayne Horvitz - Hammond B-3 -> Tim Young - Guitar -> Keith Lowe - Bass -> Andy Roth - Drums ~ Ciao Ciao Ciao Ciao Ciao ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James L. Kirchmer Seattle, WA, U.S.A. * Yea Huskies! da P10 rulz! * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My kids can do whatever they want as long as they are not Republicans or junkies..." - - Steven Bernstein, arranger & slide-trumpeter for SEX MOB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet Date: 02 Jan 2001 17:12:42 +0100 >From: User384726@aol.com > >I recently purchased this album, Voodoo, and have mixed feelings about it. >This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass), >Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in terms >of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional squeaks and >squeals most of the album is very normal (especially considering the >musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician are being >restrained. > But there is definitely some amazing playing on this album. I do prefer >the >Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz albums go, to this but maybe I'm not >hearing it right. What did the rest of you think of this album? I think it´s very good, though not Zorn´s but Horvitz´s album. I would love to hear some new Zorn stuff in this vein. Other Zorn goes bebop recommendations: Deadly Weapons (1986, /w Steve Beresford) Blue Planet Man (1993, /w Big John Patton) Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Guns and Roses Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:04:19 -0500 Toula Ballas wrote: > The new Gun's and Roses lineup jammed at Mandalay Bay Casino in Vegas last > night. New Members include: Brain and > Buckethead amongst a few others I don't recognize and coudn't remember. Robin Finck and Tommy Stinson were among the others. Here's a curious review from the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/02/arts/02ROSE.html Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kip Hanrahan, "What Is This Dance Anyway?" 'Desire Develops an Edge' (American Clave) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:10:14 -0500 Andreas Dietz wrote: > Other Zorn goes bebop recommendations: > > Deadly Weapons (1986, /w Steve Beresford) > Blue Planet Man (1993, /w Big John Patton) And one more: John Patton, 'Minor Swing,' DIW CD 896 (1995) - with Ed Cherry, guitar, and Kenny Wollesen, drums Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kip Hanrahan, "Two (Still in Half-Light)," 'Desire Develops an Edge' (American Clave) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Suggestions? Date: 02 Jan 2001 09:18:27 -0800 (PST) I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently out of ideas for CD's to buy. I've got all the Zorn albums, all the Frisell albums, Pigpen, Zony Mash, a bit of this and a bit of that... My favorites are listed below... If you have an album that is simular to one of these, please notify me so I can check it out. Doesn't matter who the artist is... Thanks! -Bill Frisell Is that You Before we were born Gone, just like a train Good dog, Happy man Where in the world -John Zorn all the Naked City, Pain killer and Masada releases Spillane/Godard etc. -James Carter Layin' in the cut -Marc Ribot the Cubanos stuff mostly... -Bobby Previte Latin for Travelers -Joey Baron We'll soon find out and Down home -Joshua Redman Beyond and Freedom in the Groove -Mike Stern Play (what's the other stuff like?) -Ginger Baker Trio both albums -Charlie Hunter almost everything -Wes Montgomery - ===== -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: (was Betty Davis) Virginia Rodriguez Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:27:38 -0300 > << Anyway, this same friend was pushing Joe Meeks and an album by Milton > > Nascimento called Clube De Esquina. >> > > your friend has good taste. the Nascimento is one of my favorite Brazilian > > records, easily the best thing I've heard from him. > > happy New Year, everyone! > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com [Linares Hugo] Talking about Brazilians I was quite surprised with Virginia Rodriguez's "Nos" (Hannibal). Great voice, fine string arrangements and Caetano Veloso guest in a couple of tracks. And track 4, "Afriquete", a truly fine "hit single". Pretty nice gem, by the way. Just my tip. Hugo Linares > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RKwityn@aol.com Subject: Re: Arcana Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:43:27 EST Whats up all, <> Oooooohhhhhhh......sorry for my ignorance....but Ive never heard of this....Im new to the list so if you guys have discussed this before sorry for brining it up....but can anyone tell me where to get this?????? Its sounds very interesting. -Ed - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Re: sun ra Web sites Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:35:22 -0600 At 17:11 01-01-01 -0500, you wrote: >Periodically we get questions about Sun Ra. I stumbled across an article >that presents an okay overview of his work at >http://www.nypress.com/content.cfm?content_id=3346&now=12/28/2000&content_se >ction=2 > >-- >Caleb Deupree >cdeupree@erinet.com > Or, interested parties could visit my Web site (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz) at: Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:49:10 >This album is a bunch of Sonny Clark tunes played by Ray Drummond (bass), >Horwitz, Zorn, and Previte. The album is very straight ahead both in > >terms of playing and arranging. While there still are the occasional > >squeaks and squeals most of the album is very normal (especially > >considering the musicians). It at times almost feels like the musician > >are being restrained. But there is definitely some amazing playing on > >this album. I do prefer the Lulu albums or Masada, as far a Jazz >albums >go, to this but maybe I'm not hearing it right. What did the >rest of you >think of this album? I really like this one, probably more than the News for Lule albums. As for "hearing it right," I guess if you don't like it, you just don't like it -- that's hearing it right by my defnition... But I don't think they are necessarrily restrained, maybe just a little more subtle. If you listen to the original versions (which I also like a lot) you can see that there are plenty of differences in the way they are playing. Not very insightful words on my part, but anyway, hope this helps.. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: so where does arthur fiedler fit in? Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:11:35 -0500 happy new year, all! kg A Dementia Link to Pop Music? (c) 2001, The Washington Post A person who abandons a taste for classical music in favor of pop may be suffering from dementia. This does not mean, as parents have been wont to allege, that a liking for pop music implies brain dysfunction. A team of Italian researchers reported that two patients with fronto-temporal dementia suddenly changed lifelong listening habits. Their study was reported in the most recent issue of the journal Neurology. One patient, a 68-year-old lawyer developing progressive apathy, loss of inhibition, judgment, speaking and thinking skills, began to listen to Italian pop music at full volume about two years after his diagnosis. Before his illness, he was a classical-music listener who referred to pop as "mere noise." A second patient, a 73-year-old woman who seldom listened to music, suddenly developed a taste for pop tunes supplied by her 11-year-old granddaughter. Team leader Giovanni Frisoni suggested that changes of taste may have occurred because the patients' right frontal lobe, which manages novelty, may have assumed predominance, or because damage to the brain's frontal and temporal lobes may have changed the perception of pitch, timbre and rhythm. Frisoni added, however, that the study was not meant to imply pop-music listeners have brain damage. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: Re: Speaking of Roxy Music... | Dean Roberts Date: 02 Jan 2001 19:21:16 +0000 hi all (happy new year!) good to see the (as usual excellent) summary of the early roxy and eno gems here. and on a related note, after savouring jon abbey's 'pick of the year', i finally got my ass in gear to track down the dean roberts album ("dean roberts and the black moths play the grand cinema", on ritornell) ... and it is (as jon has mentioned before) an absolute killer. it easily muscles its way into my revised top 10, even given a handful of recent listenings. i say this is a 'related' note, as it features a cover or re-interpretation of eno's "cindy tells me", which is utterly brilliant. the whole album got me thinking about how my favourite glitch-influenced projects, or many of the successful recent improv/electronica releases, are actually very 'acoustic' ... dean roberts' music lives and breathes for sure, drawing on a rich unpredictability of recorded sound - as does nick zammuto's work, as does pimmon's, as does fenn'o'berg's ... they all work acoustic instruments (or other 'noise-makers') electronically, or vice versa (as opposed to the austere 'purity' of much other electronica, or heavily electronic music, or more traditonal improv settings) ... and it strikes me that there is a link back to eno's early pop/ambient albums, with their essentially experimental collision of pop/rock instruments/forms with then generally avant-garde technique, form, and devices (electronics, tapes, textures, etc.) ... i'd guess that roberts is looking back at these albums in order to find his own way forward ... and it works brilliantly. cheers, dan. ps. (un)interesting fact #3897: as part of my 'day job', i design bryan ferry's official website (!). http://bryanferry.com/ ... i'm not that pleased with it as a piece of work (several conflicting interests involved, as is often the case with this 'strata' of the industry), but it's kinda bizarre to see you guys talking about him here. those early roxy albums are pretty peerless (as are the early eno's of course), and i can report that the man himself is a very nice chap. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [2.1.2001]: |||| mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound | fingathing | dan senn |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Moran Subject: Re: Gen. Will. Booth gets on in Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:33:38 -0500 (EST) Aaron, By far the best piano/voice version I've heard is with a female singer, Helen Boatwright and a male pianist, John Kirkpatrick. It's available on CRI; it was the first recording of Ives songs ever released. They worked with Ives on these tunes, and you can hear it -- they've got great spirit and clarity, which is hard to find on Ives recordings (but check out the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra!). -matt - --part1_24.f260a88.277fedd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also I would like to know if anyone could help me find a specific recording of Charles Ives's "General William Booth Enters Into Heaven" with a female singer. I only have the version from the Complete Songs set and this older recording (possibly only on vinyl) is far more hilarious. I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific. Thanks for any help. Happy New Year, Aaron Solomon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet Date: 02 Jan 2001 15:48:12 EST In a message dated 1/2/01 12:11:35 PM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << And one more: John Patton, 'Minor Swing,' DIW CD 896 (1995) - with Ed Cherry, guitar, and Kenny Wollesen, drums >> great organ combo, this was always my favorite of Zorn's straighter jazz records. I recall seeing Zorn and Patton play a concert in the bar downstairs in the Knit that was pretty cookin', if you'll pardon the expression. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Speaking of Eno Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:50:28 -0800 Don't miss: _My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts_ with David Byrne _Remain In Light_ with Talking Heads _Heroes_ with David Bowie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: 02 Jan 2001 16:31:27 EST Based on your albums below, I'd suggest you go out and buy some Lounge Lizards stuff. In my humble opinion, every stage of their career is of interest. If you like live albums, "Live in Berlin Vol. 1 & 2" are indispensible. "Voice of Chunk" and "No Pain For Cakes" are both funky, infectious, and somewhat adventurous. I'd also suggest you pick up some Dave Douglas immediately, especially his trio of "string" discs -- "Five," "Convergence," and "Parallel Worlds." "Charms of the Night Sky" is subtler than the discs above and features hypnotic accordion from Guy Klucevsek. Hell, everything from Douglas has been pure joy for my ears. Ned Rothenberg's "Powerlines" album is absolutely brilliant. I'd also recommend Don Byron ("Bug Music"), Myra Melford ("Same River Twice" and "Alive in the House of Saints"), Pachora ("Ast" and "Unn"), John Lindberg ("Bounce"), New & Used, copious amounts of Coltrane, Miles Davis's Complete Quintet Recordings, Ornette Coleman's "Shape of Jazz To Come," and Uri Caine's "Toys." That's just off the top of my head, Tom In a message dated 1/2/01 12:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, river_of_dogs@yahoo.com writes: << I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently out of ideas for CD's to buy. I've got all the Zorn albums, all the Frisell albums, Pigpen, Zony Mash, a bit of this and a bit of that... My favorites are listed below... If you have an album that is simular to one of these, please notify me so I can check it out. Doesn't matter who the artist is... Thanks! -Bill Frisell Is that You Before we were born Gone, just like a train Good dog, Happy man Where in the world -John Zorn all the Naked City, Pain killer and Masada releases Spillane/Godard etc. -James Carter Layin' in the cut -Marc Ribot the Cubanos stuff mostly... -Bobby Previte Latin for Travelers -Joey Baron We'll soon find out and Down home -Joshua Redman Beyond and Freedom in the Groove -Mike Stern Play (what's the other stuff like?) -Ginger Baker Trio both albums -Charlie Hunter almost everything -Wes Montgomery >> ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: 02 Jan 2001 15:06:06 -0700 hi Theo, >I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great >suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently >out of ideas for CD's to buy. maybe you'd like some of Tim berne's stuff(?) For early stuff go with "sanctified dreams" on Koch (joey baron, herb robertson - trumpet, cellist whose name I can't remember but is also on the frisell album "where in the world" playing a jazz-o-phone fiddle). This is a good intro and in a certain way I find it similar to "where in the world" (which remains next to "live" as my fav frisell material) I'd also recommend checking out his Bloodcount quartet stuff on screwgun especially the unwound set (3cd) if you can find the cash. Jim Black, Chris Speed, Michael Formaneck and Tim Berne. The Ducret trio album on screwgun "l'ombra di verdi" (what does that mean anyway?) is also worth mentioning. I can't remember the names of the drummer and bassist though....just go to www.screwgunrecords.com if you're interested. hope this helps, Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: 02 Jan 2001 17:48:14 EST In a message dated 1/2/01 5:12:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: << I'd also recommend checking out his Bloodcount quartet stuff on screwgun especially the unwound set (3cd) if you can find the cash. Jim Black, Chris Speed, Michael Formaneck and Tim Berne. >> Anyone know where I can find this? Been looking everywhere and have struck out. Many advance thanks, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Best of 2000 Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:09:20 -0500 Fave more or less new releases (some probably 1999): Cecil Taylor Nailed FMP Feldman/Tilbury All Piano London Hall Rowe/Muller/Sugimoto The World Turned Upside Down Erstwhile Peter Brotzmann Stone/Water Okkadisk Keith Rowe Harsh, Grob Otomo/Voice Crack Bits, Bots and Signs Erstwhile ISO ISO Alcohol Dafeldecker/Kurzmann... (Self-Titled) Charizma Otomo/Muller/Sachiko M Filament 2 For 4 Ears Roberts/Dafeldecker Aluminium Erstwhile Rowe/Parker Dark Rags Potlatch Francisco Lopez Untitled #89 Touch Rafael Toral Aeriola Frequency Perdition Fennesz/O'Rourke/Pita Magic Sound of Fenno'berg Mego Stangl/Kurzmann Schnee Erstwhile Muller/Le Quan Ninh La Voyelle Liquide Erstwhile Parker/Dunmall/Guy... The Birmingham Concert Rare Music Perlon (play it loud) Zarek Aaly Trio Live at the Glenn Miller Cafe Wobbly Rail Live concert highlights: Taylor/Bailey Tonic Keith Rowe Boston ICA Joe McPhee Brecht Forum John Butcher Tonic Brotzmann Tentet + 1 Tonic Le Quan Ninh Tonic Ellery Eskelin Trio Tonic Sabat/Clarke Duo Cooper Union Ensemble 21 (Feldman) Miller Theatre, Columbia U. Gustafsson/Mori/O'Rourke Tonic Fujiyami/Ulrich/Ibarra Knit Frederic Rzewski Jazz Gallery Taylor/Oxley Tonic Trovesi/Elton Dean RAI Studio, Rome Bailey/Leandre Tonic Mario Pavone Trio Knit Markus Schmickler Tonic Sonny Rollins Lincoln Center ICP Orchestra Tonic Frank Gratkowski Roulette A very good year. Oh, and without question, record label of the year: Erstwhile. Congrats, Jon. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Mills Subject: Boyd Rice? Date: 02 Jan 2001 15:50:07 -0800 I've run into the name Boyd Rice in a variety of contexts, from new music to occult stuff to trash culture. Does anyone know anything about him? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: re: corbett cds Date: 02 Jan 2001 19:09:21 EST << From: Lang Thompson Hi, I saw this John Corbett & Friends disc "I'm Sick About My Hat" at a local used store but didn't get it. Is it worthwhile? >> Dear Lang, Didn't realize Corbett was a musician too, only knew of him as a journalist as well as curator of the great Atavistic Unheard Music Series. Just found this one in my box and I think on first play that I'm in love: on Random Acoustics it's called "Battuto" by Corbett, Mats Gustafsson, Terri Kapsalis on violin (a new name to me) and the always wondrous Fred Lonberg-Holm on cello. Corbett plays guitar, btw. Now I'm curious about this "hat" disc. I assume it's not on hatHut, eh? just sick about... ---steve koenig n.p.: simon bainbridge. primo levi settings. (stunning stuff!) nmc records - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: re kevin coyne Date: 02 Jan 2001 19:19:20 EST << My Favourites from 2000 would have to include... 1.)Kevin Coyne-Room Full of Fools >> Dear Andrew, Uh oh. A Coyne I don't know about. Is this one of the permitted but non-authorized bootlegs he's letting someone put out as a means of Coyne's getting them out without having to pay for production costs? (This is no slur, it's hard to feed yourself just by being a 'cult figure.') tell me more! Always hungry for Coyne. May I offer free of charge an interview I did with Kevin for La Folia Music Review: http://www.lafolia.com/v2n2/coynev2n2.html Interview with British songwriter Kevin Coyne Steve Koenig np: Coyne w Achim Goettert Project: Mansion of Dreams (Excalibur 120/121, 2 CDr) p.2000, r. live 1993 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: corbett cds Date: 02 Jan 2001 19:19:04 -0500 Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > Didn't realize Corbett was a musician too, only knew > of him as a journalist as well as curator of the great Atavistic > Unheard Music Series. Just found this one in my box and I think > on first play that I'm in love: on Random Acoustics it's called > "Battuto" by Corbett, Mats Gustafsson, Terri Kapsalis on violin > (a new name to me)[snip] Terri Kapsalis is John's girlfriend or maybe wife - they weren't married back when I was regularly in touch with John about five years ago, but maybe they are now. Anyway, she's a fine violinist and she also recites some wonderfully droll and strange self-penned stories and dada verse on the album 'Van's Peppy Syncopators' (with Corbett and Hal Rammel, on Ramell's Penumbra label) in a sort of Laurie Anderson unplugged stylee. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: Re: Boyd Rice? Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:35:37 -0600 The guys at www.soleilmoon.com say that his latest cd, The Way I Feel, is really funny but couldn't really offer any description of what it sounds like. I was planning to buy it until I read some article in the Village Voice that said something about a photo where he is wearing a nazi uniform? Anyone know about this? >From: Greg Mills >To: "'zorn-list@lists.xmission.com'" >Subject: Boyd Rice? >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:50:07 -0800 > >I've run into the name Boyd Rice in a variety of contexts, from new music >to >occult stuff to trash culture. Does anyone know anything about him? > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: 02 Jan 2001 19:57:52 EST In a message dated 1/2/01 5:56:45 PM, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: << Anyone know where I can find this? Been looking everywhere and have struck out. >> Forced Exposure has it (http://www.fe.org/labels/screwgun.html). I'm sure Downtown Music Gallery (www.dtmgallery.com) also does, and probably a couple of dollars cheaper. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: RE: so where does arthur fiedler fit in? Date: 02 Jan 2001 20:14:04 -0500 Yo, Thanks for the words. I've been out of a gig for a bit as I got jacked by my former employer. I am considering a lawsuit if they don't up there ex gratia exit package. Anyway, thats why I haven;t been in touch. Things are OK in Chicago but nothing is thrilling me except spending more time with Toula. I miss NY tremendously!! I'm very happy your sister had happy and healthy child. Have you heard from Broadway. How about Foster. Music!! Damn, what have I seen? Dan Givens (Electronics) with Fred Lonberg Holm was very interesting. Marvin Tates D-Settlement is a very groovy thing. Eugene Chadbourne is one crazy fun guy. Bob Ostertag is scary. I'm pretty happy with my own guitar playing and love playing along with Tim Sparks records. More later Fox -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:12 PM happy new year, all! kg A Dementia Link to Pop Music? (c) 2001, The Washington Post A person who abandons a taste for classical music in favor of pop may be suffering from dementia. This does not mean, as parents have been wont to allege, that a liking for pop music implies brain dysfunction. A team of Italian researchers reported that two patients with fronto-temporal dementia suddenly changed lifelong listening habits. Their study was reported in the most recent issue of the journal Neurology. One patient, a 68-year-old lawyer developing progressive apathy, loss of inhibition, judgment, speaking and thinking skills, began to listen to Italian pop music at full volume about two years after his diagnosis. Before his illness, he was a classical-music listener who referred to pop as "mere noise." A second patient, a 73-year-old woman who seldom listened to music, suddenly developed a taste for pop tunes supplied by her 11-year-old granddaughter. Team leader Giovanni Frisoni suggested that changes of taste may have occurred because the patients' right frontal lobe, which manages novelty, may have assumed predominance, or because damage to the brain's frontal and temporal lobes may have changed the perception of pitch, timbre and rhythm. Frisoni added, however, that the study was not meant to imply pop-music listeners have brain damage. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Boyd Rice? Date: 02 Jan 2001 20:17:50 -0500 Ben Axelrad wrote: > The guys at www.soleilmoon.com say that his latest cd, The Way I Feel, is > really funny but couldn't really offer any description of what it sounds > like. I was planning to buy it until I read some article in the Village > Voice that said something about a photo where he is wearing a nazi uniform? > Anyone know about this? From the latest Village Voice 'Voice Literary Supplement,' in a review of the book 'Apocalypse Culture II' edited by Adam Parfrey: "The acknowledgment-page shout-outs to close friend Michael Moynihan, described in a New Times article as a "kind of fascist activist"; the inspirational quotes from Hitler and the National Socialist Liberation Front poster in AC I; the ruminations on "democracy's deification of Victimhood," in AC II, by good buddy Boyd Rice, last seen in brownshirt attire, accessorized with a darling little Nazi knife, in James Ridgeway's study of white supremacists, Blood in the Face: I'm sensing a theme here. And I'm not the first: Former RE/Search publisher V. Vale told New Times reporter Scott Timberg, "Adam is a racist . . . and he's friends with a lot of racists. Here's why he publishes: purely to foment shock value and to celebrate himself. . . . He's just a typical privileged, stunted-growth, adolescent white male." For those interested, the article appears here: http://www.villagevoice.com/vls/171/dery.shtml Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - 1st movement, Polish Natl Radio Sym / Wit (Naxos) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: 02 Jan 2001 20:21:52 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/01 5:56:45 PM, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: > > << Anyone know where I can find this? Been looking everywhere and have > struck > out. >> > > Forced Exposure has it (http://www.fe.org/labels/screwgun.html). I'm sure > Downtown Music Gallery (www.dtmgallery.com) also does, and probably a couple > of dollars cheaper. Or cheapest of all, perhaps, would be to order direct from Tim himself: $32 US, $37 elsewhere, postage included. Here's how: http://www.screwgunrecords.com/mail.htm Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (proud former papa of the Screwgun site... my, how it's grown.) NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second movement, Polish Natl Radio Sym / Wit (Naxos) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 02 Jan 2001 21:51:40 EST In a message dated 1/2/01 6:17:07 PM, olewnik@idt.net writes: << Oh, and without question, record label of the year: Erstwhile. Congrats, Jon. >> thanks, Brian, that's really nice to hear. and a big thanks to everyone else out there who's supported Erstwhile, you know who you are. it's pretty hard to start a label from scratch, even with "established" artists. the support I've received from members of this list has been invaluable. ok, enough resting on my laurels, back to working on 2001 releases... Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: re: corbett cds Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:28:33 -0500 >on cello. Corbett plays guitar, btw. Now I'm curious about this >"hat" disc. I assume it's not on hatHut, eh? just sick about... Nope, it's on Atavistic. Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: eno Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:33:28 EST --part1_99.ed29168.2783f788_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/01 4:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > > >Don't miss: > > >_My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts_ with David Byrne > >_Remain In Light_ with Talking Heads > >_Heroes_ with David Bowie > > Don't forget "Low" or "Lodger"... > > ben --part1_99.ed29168.2783f788_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/01 4:34:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:



>Don't miss:

>_My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts_ with David Byrne
>_Remain In Light_ with Talking Heads
>_Heroes_ with David Bowie

Don't forget "Low" or "Lodger"...

ben
--part1_99.ed29168.2783f788_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: Boyd Rice? Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:52:13 -0500 MEEP! "Ben Axelrad" wrote: >I was planning to buy it until I read some article in the Village >Voice that said something about a photo where he is wearing a nazi uniform? >Anyone know about this? Boyd Rice was, among other things, the guy behind the '80s noise-industrial project NON. Like a whole lot of the chuckleheads in the noise scene, Rice rounded out his public image with assorted fascist regalia, his associations with characters like Anton LaVey (the Church of Satan guy), and other wholesome behaviour. Unfortunately, it was a lot of this "stunted-growth, adolescent" silliness that gave shape to a lot of what is currently obnoxious about so much of the North American and European noise scene, and it really doesn't give you much of an idea of what Rice and others (like Michael Moynihan who, for all of his unpleasant beliefs, is genuinely willing to discuss them calmly and reasonably with pretty much anybody who approaches him in good faith with questions) are up to these days. Unlike today's crowd, I've found several of the noise artists whose work grew directly out of the Throbbing Gristle school of "shocking" industrial music to be useful -- and occasionally thoughtful -- routes into occult and political realms that, while they aren't worth much consideration except as historical curiosities, are at least very different from anything that you're ever likely to read about in the course of work-a-day life or your average liberal-arts education. Also, for what it's worth, when Rice isn't working in ear-busting drone mode (which covers most of his output as NON), he really *can* be pretty funny. Anybody interested in reading a bit more about the guy and/or hearing some brief MP3 samples of his music might want to check out http://brainwashed.com/non -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:50:48 -0500 --------------1586C23B4A1E55B8E5F8FB65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: >> Don't forget "Low" or "Lodger"... > Okay, speaking of Bowie... as it happens, I spent my holidays in suburban New Jersey, and as a result spent more than the usual amount of time listening to pop radio in a car while in transit from place to place. And oddly enough, I heard quite a bit of Bowie, which made me nostalgic. I've skipped the last four Bowie albums (everything post-Tin Machine, frankly), but Ben's reminder has me curious. What does anyone/everyone think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration 'Outside'? And, while we're at it, if anyone has opinions on 'Earthling' and 'Hours,' I'd be game to hear those, as well. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Carcass, "Manifestation of Verrucose Urethra," 'Reek of Putrefaction' (Earache) --------------1586C23B4A1E55B8E5F8FB65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
Don't forget "Low" or "Lodger"...


Okay, speaking of Bowie... as it happens, I spent my holidays in suburban New Jersey, and as a result spent more than the usual amount of time listening to pop radio in a car while in transit from place to place.  And oddly enough, I heard quite a bit of Bowie, which made me nostalgic.

I've skipped the last four Bowie albums (everything post-Tin Machine, frankly), but Ben's reminder has me curious.  What does anyone/everyone think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration 'Outside'?  And, while we're at it, if anyone has opinions on 'Earthling' and 'Hours,' I'd be game to hear those, as well.

Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Carcass, "Manifestation of Verrucose Urethra," 'Reek of Putrefaction' (Earache) --------------1586C23B4A1E55B8E5F8FB65-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway? Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:58:31 -0500 Hi all: Call me obstinate (or something less polite if you like)... I was cleaning out my mailbox this evening and came across something I sent out to the Zornlist almost three months ago. I thought I'd try sending it again, just in case anybody's found a lead (or anyone new has come onboard) in the mean time... If anyone can tell me where I can track this down and order it, I'd be grateful. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Carcass, "Malignant Defecation," 'Reek of Putrefaction' (Earache) -------- Original Message -------- Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this one? Anyone heard it? Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen' SOFA 501 Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape; Ivar Grydeland, guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass. 1.First scan (15.22) 2.Second scan (17.35) 3.Third scan (12.17) 4.Fourth scan (03.42) Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg Jazzfestival, Norway; other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla, Osla. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew" Subject: Emergency/Vacation Date: 02 Jan 2001 23:03:07 -0500 Returning from vacation, I opened a Voice to see that Zorn and Ribot and Medeski (and others?) will be playing Mercury Lounge as Emergency... what is this all about? (has it already been discussed?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Emergency/Vacation Date: 02 Jan 2001 23:27:42 -0500 Matthew wrote: > Returning from vacation, I opened a Voice to see that Zorn and Ribot and > Medeski (and others?) will be playing Mercury Lounge as Emergency... > what is this all about? (has it already been discussed?) Here's my guess (and for non-New Yorkers, all of the following refers to New York venues, so bear with me): 1. Zorn, Ribot and Medeski, with a variety of drummers, have played numerous gigs in NYC over the last two or three years, including Tonic, the Wetlands, and even the Knitting Factory when they couldn't help it. 2. Medeski and Ribot made favorable impressions upon management at the Bowery Ballroom during popular recent shows there. 3. Management at the Bowery Ballroom is the same as management at the Mercury Lounge. 4. Voila! Zorn has a new room in NYC to infiltrate, albeit with most likely his most mainstream current project. It should still be a pretty nice coupla shows, mind you... January 14 and 15 at 8 and 10 p.m. each night, for those who are in town. Pack the place and show 'em who's poppa... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Carcass, "Arbeit Macht Fleisch," 'Heartwork' (Earache) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eisenbeil@aol.com Subject: Cecil Taylor NYC Masterclass / Workshop Date: 03 Jan 2001 00:09:39 EST FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 3,2001 Cecil Taylor will be conducting a month long workshop at the Turtle Bay Music School in New York City during February 2001. This master class/ workshop will meet twice a week during the month and then culminate in a concert. The classes will be held on Wednesdays (Feb. 7, 14, 21) from 6-10pm and on Saturdays (Feb. 3, 10, 17, 24) from noon to 4pm. The concert is scheduled for Saturday Feb. 24 at 8pm. The tuition for each participant is $300. This includes all fees for the duration of the masterclass and concert. Each musician must bring their own instruments. One bass amp will be provided. Turtle Bay Music School is located on 52nd Street between 1st and 2nd avenues. Payment should be sent to: Turtle Bay Music School 244 east 52nd Street New York, NY 10022 Payment for the tuition must be made by January 15th, 2001. Payment will only be accepted in the form of a check. All checks must be made payable to, Turtle Bay Music School and write on the check, Cecil Taylor Masterclass. Below is an application form. Name: ______________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ Telephone: ____________________ FAX: ________________________ Email: ___________________________ Instrument: _________________________________ Experience: __________________________________________________________ Please direct all questions to Bruce Eisenbeil. He can be reached by the following means: Email: eisenbeil@aol.com Fax: 212-888-2726 For more info and updates see: www.eisenbeil.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?) Date: 02 Jan 2001 21:28:05 -0800 (PST) --- Steve Smith wrote: > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second > movement, Polish Natl Radio > Sym / Wit (Naxos) OT: speaking of Berne, and of Lutoslawski---Tim Berne, no name-dropper he, listed WL's 'cello concerto as one of his favorites somewhere on-line (Perfect Sound Forever?); I bought the Naxos CD with the concerto and some other pieces, and fell in love with it. Really powerful, sensual stuff, I thought. For some reason I have not checked any other work out. Does anyone care to offer recs on pieces/recordings? Private e.mail would be appreeciated if you don't think the list would be interested. Thanks, happy new year, ----s np: Pierre Henry, MOUVEMENT-RHYTHM-ETUDE (Philips) nr: Mishima Yukio, SPRING SNOW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Case" Subject: Re: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 03 Jan 2001 16:16:45 +1050 Hi there, excellent topic! I hold Bowie's "1. Outside" as my all time favourite album. It is the most enthralling piece of work I have ever heard, I would say it takes some committment to "get into it" as it contains some fairly weird ideas. but i think that the music, and the segues and the diaries work together to make it brilliant. ALso Earthling is not to be scoffed at, it has some very good drum and bass, and at the time of realease, was a particularly "new sounding" record. Definitely worth the cash! Case I've skipped the last four Bowie albums (everything post-Tin Machine, frankly), but Ben's reminder has me curious. What does anyone/everyone think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration 'Outside'? And, while we're at it, if anyone has opinions on 'Earthling' and 'Hours,' I'd be game to hear those, as well. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Fw: Music Biz Haiku Date: 02 Jan 2001 22:22:07 -0800 Blame Paul Smoker: > Music Biz Haiku >> >> Money's everything >> Playing any gig that comes >> Whores, we are all whores >> >> Squeaking and squawking >> All eyes roll to the heavens >> The clarinet speaks >> >> One beat to change from >> Harmon to cup to bucket >> Hey, who wrote this shit? >> >> Here comes the high note >> The lead trumpeter puckers >> Clam, clam, Fuck! Clam, Shit! >> >> >> The jam session starts >> Somebody calls "Giant Steps" >> Cold fear grips my brain >> (Have to change my reed) >> >> Here's the girl singer >> Stepping to the microphone >> Pitch, Time, All gone now >> >> Gig is going well >> Asshole requests "In the Mood" >> I look at my watch >> >> I once had a dream >> Big house, new car, big money >> Now I play the bass >> >> Gorgeous chick tells me >> "You sound just like Kenny G" >> My ego shatters >> (Hope no one heard her) >> (Quitting music now) >> >> Three-eight, eleven-eight >> Fuck you Andrew Lloyd Webber >> Five-eight, seven-eight > >> >> The woodwind doubler >> Practicing the piccolo >> Frustration defined >> (Neighbor calls the cops) >> >> Trane, Prez, Bird, Brecker >> Giants of the saxophone >> Eat shit Kenny G >> >> Pit orchestra gig >> Days and nights become as one >> I have no damned life >> >> Bad intonation >> Strings are sharp and reeds are flat >> Brass too loud again >> >> Great changes, good groove >> A one-in-a-million gig >> No singer; Yippee! >> >> The accordion >> "Squeeze box," yes, but more often >> "The Stomach Steinway" >> >> Bassoons forever >> Try in vain not to sound like >> A farting bedpost >> >> The strings slowly tune >> When they're done the unisons >> Are anything but >> >> "I can't find my note" >> Bemoans the confused singer >> "Quit now," we all pray >> >> The contractor calls >> Months of Andrew Lloyd Webber >> "Bird Lives" no longer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: 03 Jan 2001 02:26:40 -0500 ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger. anyone agree? disagree? me > > << I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great > suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently > out of ideas for CD's to buy. I've got all the Zorn > albums, all the Frisell albums, Pigpen, Zony Mash, a > bit of this and a bit of that... My favorites are > listed below... If you have an album that is simular > to one of these, please notify me so I can check it > out. Doesn't matter who the artist is... > Thanks! > > -Bill Frisell > Is that You > Before we were born > Gone, just like a train > Good dog, Happy man > Where in the world > -John Zorn > all the Naked City, Pain killer and Masada > releases > Spillane/Godard > etc. > -James Carter > Layin' in the cut > -Marc Ribot > the Cubanos stuff mostly... > -Bobby Previte > Latin for Travelers > -Joey Baron > We'll soon find out and Down home > -Joshua Redman > Beyond and Freedom in the Groove > -Mike Stern > Play (what's the other stuff like?) > -Ginger Baker Trio > both albums > -Charlie Hunter > almost everything > -Wes Montgomery >> > > > ________________________________________________ > The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage > perhaps in music, because that art contains no material > to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, > and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. > > --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?) Date: 03 Jan 2001 02:24:52 -0500 Scott Handley wrote: > --- Steve Smith wrote: > > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second > > movement, Polish Natl Radio > > Sym / Wit (Naxos) > > OT: speaking of Berne, and of Lutoslawski---Tim Berne, > no name-dropper he, listed WL's 'cello concerto as one > of his favorites somewhere on-line (Perfect Sound > Forever?) Yes, it was at Perect Sound Forever. And curiously enough, the following appears at the end of a segment called "Listening Pleasures" appended to the Jim Black interview that appeared in the November 2000 issue of JazzTimes: "And anything by Witold Lutoslawski... just say he'll listen to anything." (Jim's other preferences, by the way, included albums by Blonde Redhead, Joao Gilberto, Bjork, Bill Frisell, Paul Motian, Miles Davis, Skuli Sverrisson, Billie Holiday, John Coltrane, D'Angelo and Albert Ayler.) > I bought the Naxos CD with the concerto and > some other pieces, and fell in love with it. Really > powerful, sensual stuff, I thought. For some reason I > have not checked any other work out. Does anyone care > to offer recs on pieces/recordings? Get the rest of the Naxos series: that's probably the easiest way to do it. Whether it be the early, tonal, folksy stuff or the later quasi-aleatoric pieces, I really can't say that I've ever heard anything by Lutoslawski that I genuinely disliked, and the Polish radio orchestra that made the Naxos series really seems to have the music well in hand. (Marcin, correct me if I'm deluded...) Among the stronger mature pieces are Chain 2, the Symphony No. 3, and the orchestral song Les Espaces du Sommeil, all of which are now available on Naxos. You can pay premium prices for the stars, who are absolutely fine: I got to know Chain 2 through Anne Sophie Mutter's DG recording, and Les Espaces via the gorgeous John Shirley-Quirk/Esa-Pekka Salonen CBS recording. But now you can also pay less and just get to know the music in committed performances and more-than-acceptable recordings, and then decide later if you want to pay more to hear whether a "star" might bring more to it, if indeed it's even possible given the state of the major label catalogs. Lately I'm opting for the latter in most cases, and I'm finding that Naxos is not merely maintaining a steady level of competence, but is actually improving as more artists want to sail with their bestselling ship. (I'm enjoying their Penderecki series as well.) On the other hand, the Double Concerto for Oboe, Harp and String Orchestra is not yet available on Naxos. It was written for Heinz and Ursula Holliger, who have recorded it twice already: first with the Cincinnati Symphony directed by Michael Gielen on Vox (which should be readily available and cheap), and then with the Bavarian Radio Symphony directed by the composer on Philips, which was full-price and is most likely out of print, but is truly fine, and is paired with a recording of the Cello Concerto performed by Heinrich Schiff, also led by the composer. The Vox performance is excellent (and Gielen is a brilliant conductor), but there the pairing is Richard Strauss's lovely but slight neo-classical Oboe Concerto. Given the choice, look for the Philips disc. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Carcass, "Exhume to Consume," 'Wake Up and Smell the Carcass' (Earache) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: Re: Songs (Bailey with Haino) Date: 03 Jan 2001 09:51:18 +0100 Hello, I got a reply from derek bailey, concerning the nature of the recording of the SONGS cd (Derek Bailey and Keiji Haino) Best wishes, Stefan Verstraeten stefan.annik@planetinternet.be -----Original Message----- >Dear Stefan > >Of course the guitar & words on "Songs" are improvised, nothing >pre-meditated, our policy at Incus is, as always has been, Improvised >Music only. >Pleased you liked "Bob" (J. Holbrooke), see you hopefully at De Singel in Antwerp >Regards >Derek > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: J.A. Deane /w Bill Frisell Date: 03 Jan 2001 10:43:09 +0100 Hi, does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell: ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988) I haven´t heard of it before and can´t find it in the Frisell disco www.emd.pl/emd/en4/artists/f/frisell_bill/index.htm thanks in advance! Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: RE: Suggestions? Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:06:39 +0000 >The Ducret trio album on screwgun "l'ombra di verdi" (what does that mean >anyway?) is also worth mentioning. I can't remember the names of the >drummer and bassist though....just go to www.screwgunrecords.com if you're >interested. i loved this album - ducret's an awe-inspiring player. the bass player is Bruno Chevillon and the drummer is Eric Echampard ... it's a real power-trio album ... there's more info, even more opinion, and soundclips at: http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/448.html hope this helps dan. ps. in my review at motion, i threw out a question regarding the whereabouts (musicial or otherwise) of the guitarist joe baiza, of universal congress of (who i thought was great). no-one ever got back to me, and it strikes me that this list might be the best place to ask ... what happened to joe baiza? -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [3.1.2001]: |||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 03 Jan 2001 06:40:29 -0500 At 10:50 PM 1/2/01 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > >What does anyone/everyone think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration Outside'? > A couple of years ago I worked in a small bullpen with one CD player and an architect who didn't like headphones, so we took turns playing cds for the group. He was a big Bowie fan and played both Outside and Earthling a lot. Both were pretty interesting, but Outside was, well, outside enough to make it one of the two albums of his that I missed when the company went under (the other was by Sara Hickman, a singer-songwriter from Texas). He tracked down Ground Zero and Cynical Hysterie Hour from my collection, so I guess the trades were about even. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Suggestions... Date: 03 Jan 2001 04:00:52 -0800 (PST) Thanks for all the suggestions... Many of you mentioned Jim Black, Dave Douglas, and Chris Speed among a few others. I feel I've been given a great arsenal in which to find new, good music. Thanks again! -Theo ===== -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 03 Jan 2001 09:13:24 -0400 Like some have already said, OUTSIDE is a great labum, very interesting ... EARTHLING is also good, but not that complex ... it's still excellent, the drum n bass experimentations are well done, and it contains a lot of heavy playing from BOWIE and his excellent guitarist (ex-guitarist?) REEVES GABRELS. The HOURS album is more song-based, and calm, although there's one big heavy song THE PRETTY THINGS ARE GOING TO HELL, but the whole album is more simple, nevertheless very good. Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two discs of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc containing a 2000 concert. Looks nice, but I would like your opinion. Thanks Neil H. Enet ------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: Suggestions? Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:27:23 +0100 (CET) You can find the "Unwound" box and all the Screwgun releases at The Jazz Loft. I can't remember the exact web address but there is a link at www.screwgunrecords.com. Though it is relatively expensive, it was worth the money. Don't doubt it! Regards, EFRÉN DEL VALLE _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:43:39 +0100 (CET) Hi there!, Besides Tom's recommendations, which I found very suitable, maybe you'd like to hear some Fred Frith's albums. i.e: "Traffic Continues" (Winter&Winter)"Step Across the Border" (RecRec) "Pacifica" (Tzadik),... I can't remember if you mentioned Medeski, Martin & Wood. If not, there you go: "Tonic" (Blue Note), "The Dropper" (Blue Note), "Notes from the Underground" (Accurate), "Combustication" (Blue Note) Anything by Marc Ribot, Lounge Lizards & Dave Douglas -as Tom said. What about Mr. Bungle?: "Mr. Bungle", "Disco Volante" and "California". All of them are excellent! Marty Ehrlich: "Sojourn", "New York Child" Michael Formanek: "Nature of the Beast" Anything by Evan Lurie. ...and countless others! Regards, EFRÉN _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Re: Boyd Rice? Date: 03 Jan 2001 09:31:20 -0500 (EST) At 18:35 02/01/01 -0600, "Ben Axelrad" wrote: >like. I was planning to buy it until I read some article in the Village >Voice that said something about a photo where he is wearing a nazi uniform? >Anyone know about this? Boyd Rice is a very bad guy. Mr Rice when he is not answering interviews, writing, working on films, busying himself with the Church of Satan, making jokes to make other people lose time, or inventing industrial music (well, perhaps that was 25 years ago) likes to dress up and he likes symbols that vaguely resemble swastikas. (Has he too much time on his hands?) For more information, in addition to the url Steve Smith pointed to, http://www.villagevoice.com/vls/171/dery.shtml where there is a mention of Rice "in brownshirt attire" and his writing of an essay in a book reputed questionable, a quick search on Boyd Rice / NON on the web leads to, amongst other things: http://brainwashed.com/non/ (NON official website) http://www.gothic.net/archives/non-fiction/rice600.html http://www.brainwashed.com/non/beyondgoodandevil.html http://www.choler.com/articles/boydrice_2.shtml http://www.vsearchmedia.com/books/ichprod.shtml (The original question was, if I remember right, what does his new cd sound like?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: RE: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 04 Jan 2001 01:42:26 +1030 I gues after the innovation of 1. Outside, and Earthling, Hours was a = little too easy going for me. I just bought the BBC collection for meself for christmas, and I have to = say that the BBC stuff is great, it also includes the links and = interviews with John Peel etc etc. I am WAY to young to have heard any = of this stuff at the time of it's broadcast, I cant beleive how funny = the DJs comments, are, even totally lambasting bowie, and his spelling = skills! Some of the covers he does are really good too. The Bonus live disc is OK, but its heavily edited, and the small amounts = of "talk" you hear form bowie are quite disenchanting. But heck its a = freebie, Id say the set gets a 4/5 while the concert a 2.5/5 Case np rare Morrissey track leaked onto napster "The Bed Took Fire"! =20 Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two = discs of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc containing a 2000 concert. Looks nice, but I would like your opinion. Thanks "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: Newish Oxley from Norway? Date: 03 Jan 2001 07:46:10 -0800 (PST) hi, i haven't heard this release, though i can say that this is the first release on norwegian percussionist ingar zach's new label, SOFA. the SOFA website is located at: http://www.norcd.no/sofa/index.html i'm not sure about their distribution (cadence is listed in their website's links section, so it's possible north country is carrying them), though i do know that ingar dropped off a few copies of this CD at twisted village records in cambridge, mass. while he was in town playing w/ his trio tri-dim (w/ guitarist david stackenäs and saxophonist hċkon kornstad). so you might try there: www.twistedvillage.com, sistersunshine@twistedvillage.com good luck, .greg. > Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:58:31 -0500 > From: Steve Smith > Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway? > > Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this > one? Anyone heard > it? > > Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen' > SOFA 501 > Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape; > Ivar Grydeland, > guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass. > 1.First scan (15.22) > 2.Second scan (17.35) > 3.Third scan (12.17) > 4.Fourth scan (03.42) > Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg > Jazzfestival, Norway; > other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla, > Osla. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 03 Jan 2001 10:10:24 -0500 On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:50:48PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > I've skipped the last four Bowie albums (everything post-Tin Machine, > frankly), but Ben's reminder has me curious. What does anyone/everyone > think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration 'Outside'? And, while we're > at it, if anyone has opinions on 'Earthling' and 'Hours,' I'd be game to > hear those, as well. Bowie's 90s work is worth a listen. "The Buddha of Suburbia" is derived from his soundtrack to the TV series of the same name, and has him enjoyably messing around in the studio in his least song-related work in a long time. "Black Tie White Noise", while far from his best work, is one of the Bowie's that slips into my CD player most often. *Good* pop, much of it featuring, believe it or not, Lester Bowie. "1. Outside" is, to a great degree, stunning. If, in trying to build a story in the spoken passages (that I edit out when I listen to it), Bowie's reach exceeds his grasp, the remaining material is very strong, and contains some of his best vocals, melodies, and (with Eno) arrangements ever. "Earthling" is a kick in the ass, focusing on the drumNbass derived work that peeked in during the previous album. My favorite album to forcibly wake myself up in the morning. "Hours" is, well, dull. He's reaching back to the acoustic songwriting of earlier days, and it could be mistaken for outtakes from the pre-Space Oddity years. Worth listening to, but his most forgettable working since "Never Let Me Down". -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: RE: Bowie [was Re: eno] Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:53:01 +0000 >I gues after the innovation of 1. Outside, and Earthling, Hours was >a little too easy going for me. > >I just bought the BBC collection for meself for christmas, and I >have to say that the BBC stuff is great, on a BBC Sessions tip, i enjoyed the Bowie collection a lot too (well, the first two disks - i find his recent stuff pretty uninspiring) ... But The Who's BBC Sessions, which came out last year, is totally fantastic too. utterly brilliant stuff. Townsend reinventing the guitar before your very ears (check the guitar 'solo' to "anyway, anyhow, anywhere" i encoded at motion http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/551.html ... it's essentially an abstract feedback-drenched barrage. extraordinary for 1965). he's even more impressive than the peerless Keith Moon here. and the BBC presenters are hilarious - they're fairly cringeworthy, but also rather endearing. they seem to sense that The Who are essentially naughty boys on best behaviour, forever on the verge of completely trashing the place. though Townsend's voiceovers reveal a remarkably polite young man (as befits his art school background). anyway, highly recommended. cheers, d. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [3.1.2001]: |||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?) Date: 03 Jan 2001 08:35:32 -0800 At 2:24 AM 1/3/01, Steve Smith wrote: > >Steve Smith >ssmith36@sprynet.com >NP - Carcass, "Exhume to Consume," 'Wake Up and Smell the Carcass' >(Earache) And this is why I remain on the Zorn list! The fact that Lutoslawski and Carcass both mean something to at least someone else out there! Cool. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Newish Oxley from Norway? Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:37:26 -0500 (EST) Steve: (and others who may be interested). Try: SOFA, c/o: NOR-CD AS/SOFA, Kongens gate 16, 0153 Oslo, Norway; tel: +47 22 33 40 41; fax: +47 22 33 41 43; e-mail:sofa@norcd.no; http://www.norcd.no/sofa/. Ken Waxman --- Steve Smith wrote: > Hi all: > > Call me obstinate (or something less polite if you > like)... I was > cleaning out my mailbox this evening and came across > something I sent > out to the Zornlist almost three months ago. I > thought I'd try sending > it again, just in case anybody's found a lead (or > anyone new has come > onboard) in the mean time... > > If anyone can tell me where I can track this down > and order it, I'd be grateful. > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Carcass, "Malignant Defecation," 'Reek of > Putrefaction' (Earache) > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway? > > Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this > one? Anyone heard > it? > > Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen' > SOFA 501 > Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape; > Ivar Grydeland, > guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass. > 1.First scan (15.22) > 2.Second scan (17.35) > 3.Third scan (12.17) > 4.Fourth scan (03.42) > Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg > Jazzfestival, Norway; > other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla, > Osla. > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Lutoslawski and Bowie Date: 03 Jan 2001 17:39:38 +0100 > Scott Handley wrote: > > --- Steve Smith wrote: > > > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second > > > movement, Polish Natl Radio > Get the rest of the Naxos series: that's probably the easiest way to do > it. Whether it be the early, tonal, folksy stuff or the later > quasi-aleatoric pieces, I really can't say that I've ever heard anything > by Lutoslawski that I genuinely disliked, and the Polish radio orchestra > that made the Naxos series really seems to have the music well in hand. > (Marcin, correct me if I'm deluded...) The naxos series seems to be OK. I've got the viola concerto disc. Lutoslawski's best compositions are IMO the symphonies. There are very good performances of Lutoslawski by Simfonia Varsovia (the best polish orchestra, not confound with the weak Warsaw philharmonic Orchestra, or the Warsaw Opera Orchestra. The last one is especially bad - after their performance of te 'rite of spring' i was almost decided to go and beat strongly the conductor. Nobody records them, anyhow) on polish label CdAccord. Let me know if you are willing to buy them and have trouble with obtaining it - i know the guy who is reponsible for their distribution, so I should be able to help you with getting them. > Among the stronger mature pieces are Chain 2, the Symphony No. 3, and Yes, Yes. Both pieces are excellent. I'd recommend also a piece called 'poemes de Henri Michaux' (or something like that). I've heard an incredible performance at the Warsaw automn festival a few years ago. It's available (probably quite cheap) at EMI Matrix series. Other symphonies are also great. > the orchestral song Les Espaces du Sommeil, all of which are now I don't know that piece. > latter in most cases, and I'm finding that Naxos is not merely > maintaining a steady level of competence, but is actually improving as > more artists want to sail with their bestselling ship. (I'm enjoying > their Penderecki series as well.) Can anybody explain me how do they manage to keep their prices that low? Their cds cost about 22 PLN here in Poland (about 5 USD). And they have some great performances - the disc with the piano concerto by Rautvarra, played by the Scotttish National Orchestra is very good. It's also quite well recorded. As for Bowie: 1.Outside is very good, although one gets tired of it pretty soon. But it contains fascinating tunes. Excellent Eno producton, of course, and Joey Baron plays on a couple of tunes (i think that there's only one with his drums, actually: the third one, with pianoetc.) . I like 'Earthling' even better: less dark, but excellent live drums, guitar, and bass/d'n'b mix. 'Battle of britain' is one of my favourite songs ever. Hope this helps, Marcin Gokieli - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Things I would like to see live in 2001 Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:48:52 -0500 List, 1) Derek Bailey and Hamid Drake 2) Jon Rose and Hamid Drake 3) Bob Ostertag in any seting 4) Susie Ibarra and Douglas Ewert 5) Tim Sparks solo 6) Joe Morris and G Ra' 7) Cecil Taylor and Buckethead 8) Other Dimensions in Music 9) Eugene Chadbourne and Fred Lonberg Holm 10)Eric Leonardson and Jim O'rourke 11)Mats Gustfasson and Bill Laswell 12)Matt Maneri and Steve Dalachinski 13)Henry Threadgill in any setting 14)Roscoe Mitchel and Dan Givens 15)Nickie Mitchel and William Parker 16)Peter Brotzmann and Haino Keiji Paul - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thelushtundra@aol.com Subject: Set Pounds Date: 03 Jan 2001 13:15:43 EST << ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger. anyone agree? disagree? >> it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT! aaahhhhh!! charlie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thelushtundra@aol.com Subject: bowie (was never eno) Date: 03 Jan 2001 13:19:42 EST << Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two discs of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc containing a 2000 concert. Looks nice, but I would like your opinion. if you like bowie, get it. the first disc has kinda cruddy sound, but the second disc is pretty great, and the performances are stellar throughout. the third disc is, you know, post-1980 bowie, so if you're into that..... charlie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: bowie (was never eno) Date: 03 Jan 2001 12:43:37 -0500 On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:19:42PM -0500, Thelushtundra@aol.com wrote: > if you like bowie, get it. the first disc has kinda cruddy sound, but the > second disc is pretty great, and the performances are stellar throughout. > the third disc is, you know, post-1980 bowie, so if you're into that..... Well, post-90 Bowie. To lump "Outside" and "Earthling" in with the 80s music could lead to missing some great stuff. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) Date: 03 Jan 2001 13:55:09 -0500 >> latter in most cases, and I'm finding that Naxos is not merely >Can anybody explain me how do they manage to keep their prices that low? >Their cds cost about 22 PLN here in Poland (about 5 USD). And they have some Two main ways: using little-known and inexpensive orchestras/musicians (though some like Sumi Jo gained a reputation later) and buying the performances outright so therefore no royalties. It's only recently with the Lutoslawski, Glass, Cage, Boulez, etc that the compositions weren't in the public domain; their Marco Polo imprint has always had more esoteric releases but at a higher price point. Plus a company that large with established distribution benefits from volume lowering per unit costs. And they keep the marketing budget fairly low. (Is this starting to sound like a Monty Python routine?) Still, it's something of a miracle that with classical divisions being slashed left and right Naxos can do something like that jillion-volume series of Liszt transcriptions or those seemingly endless organ music releases (though on the other hand the organ music people I've met tend to be real fanatics). I've heard three or four albums from their jazz series that were quite nice and they've just kicked off a world music series that looks promising. Anybody have opinions on these? By the way, Berkshire Record Outlet has a ton of the Marco Polo releases at $6.99 each. LT Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Boyd Rice? Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Greg Mills > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:50 PM > I've run into the name Boyd Rice in a variety of contexts, from > new music to > occult stuff to trash culture. Does anyone know anything about him? I believe the picture referred to later in this thread is this: http://brainwashed.com/non/images/americanfront.gif It's him with the head of the American Front. A good friend of mine says that every leftist has a favorite rightist -- I think Boyd Rice may be mine. I do want to make it clear that I do not endorse his repellent beliefs in any way; he (or at least some of his buddies) would, I'm sure, love to have the country rid of people like me. The trouble with pinning down Rice has to do with the industrial/noise music milieu -- some members of which, as Taylor already described, dabbled in or wholeheartedly embraced specifically Nazi imagery (and misanthropy in general) for shock value. This is nothing new; our very own Zorn has gotten in trouble along similar lines. Of course, this raises the question of how serious this all is for Boyd Rice. Some of his opponents easily point to the disturbing company he keeps and the whole Social Darwinist slant of his spoken-word/noise output. (Some may argue, however, that this is merely LaVeyan -- no surprise since Rice is supposedly one of the High Priests of the Church of Satan.) Some of his defenders, however, would point out that Rice is actually being coy about his beliefs, that his public persona is all performance, and that his extremist right-wing affiliations are all part of a big prank. Whatever. The Church of Satan, fine; the American Front, that I find repellent. His music, however, is a different matter. Swirling (or grating) loops of detuned samples, remakes of bubblegum pop, deadpan misanthropic ditties, horrific industrial noise -- it's excellent, if disturbing, stuff. A good intro purchase would probably be "Easy Listening for Iron Youth: The Best of NON," out on Mute. Later, Ben np: "the conet project" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) Date: 03 Jan 2001 19:44:10 +0000 on a related note to the naxos thread ... some excellent montaigne label releases have been redistributed, at mid-price (which still means about =A310.99 over here in the UK, or $16). i bought a christmas present (to myself from myself! it's safer that way) of a trio of releases of by schoenberg, webern, and berg from HMV oxford street the other day. they're all performed by the arditti quartet (i note irvine arditti recently played on mode's release of john cage's 'two4' with the great stephen drury, he says zornily) ... montaigne had a tempting john cage too, but my generosity to myself only goes so far, and i was reading about vienna y'see ... sorry i keep not answering the questions, instead simply adding more stuff. cheers, d. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion [3.1.2001]: |||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:11:54 -0500 BTW, the mid-price Montaigne collection of Morton Feldman pieces contains= =20 some of my favorites of his works, and is an excellent starter set. On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:44:10PM +0000, dan hill wrote: > on a related note to the naxos thread ... >=20 > some excellent montaigne label releases have been redistributed, at=20 > mid-price (which still means about =A310.99 over here in the UK, or=20 > $16). i bought a christmas present (to myself from myself! it's safer=20 > that way) of a trio of releases of by schoenberg, webern, and berg=20 > from HMV oxford street the other day. they're all performed by the=20 > arditti quartet (i note irvine arditti recently played on mode's=20 > release of john cage's 'two4' with the great stephen drury, he says=20 > zornily) ... montaigne had a tempting john cage too, but my=20 > generosity to myself only goes so far, and i was reading about vienna=20 > y'see ... >=20 > sorry i keep not answering the questions, instead simply adding more st= uff. >=20 > cheers, > d. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > |||| dan hill [state51] > |||| new reviews on motion [3.1.2001]: > |||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan=20 > coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m.=20 > singe & dj i-sound > |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ >=20 >=20 > - --=20 |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:06:47 EST Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny Wolleson, Michael Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other than the one track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"? Many thanks, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 12:16:46 -0800 On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:06:47 EST Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny Wolleson, Michael > Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other than the one > track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"? *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen. 2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:44:14 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 3:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny Wolleson, Michael > Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other than the one > track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"? *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen. 2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD) >> Many thanks. Anyone know where I can find it? Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:53:17 -0500 Hi There was also a self-released album called "Slow Poke at Home." It was sold at gigs, and I think Bruce at DMG had some. I'm not sure if this release overlaps with the intuition release - i included covers of Neil Young (Harvest?) and Duke Ellington's "Rockin in Rhythm." JM > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:06:47 EST Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny > Wolleson, Michael > > Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other > than the one > > track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke > > Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen. > > 2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER Date: 03 Jan 2001 22:39:11 +0100 (CET) Hi there!, I am looking forward to FRITH/MORI/DRESSER's project but the CD didn't get to Spain yet. I'd like to know the opinion of those who are lucky enough to have heard it. Maybe I'll have to purchase it via import and the prices are extremely high here. I'd be grateful if you could also let me know about Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis". I'm not so confident about the so-called Brooklyn scene. I found Chris Speed Trio's "Iffy" and Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" both quite disappointing. What about this one? Thanks, EFRÉN DEL VALLE _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: Boyd Rice? Date: 03 Jan 2001 21:46:01 -0000 >From: "Benito Vergara" >To: "Zorn List" >Subject: RE: Boyd Rice? >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800 > >np: "the conet project" > >Is this the 4 CD set of recordings made of shortwave "numbers" stations? How interesting is it? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) Date: 03 Jan 2001 16:51:20 -0500 At 9:46 PM +0000 1/3/01, thomas chatterton wrote: >>From: "Benito Vergara" >>To: "Zorn List" >>Subject: RE: Boyd Rice? >>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800 >> >>np: "the conet project" >> >>Is this the 4 CD set of recordings made of shortwave "numbers" stations? > >How interesting is it? I've heard parts of this, and the distorted voices + the shortwave interference are fascinating and beautiful. -Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER Date: 03 Jan 2001 17:08:07 -0500 efr=E9n del valle wrote: > I'd be grateful if you could also let me know about > Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis". I'm not so confident about > the so-called Brooklyn scene. I found Chris Speed > Trio's "Iffy" and Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" both quite > disappointing. What about this one? If you'll indulge me here, this is from the January issue of Jazziz: Jim Black: AlasNoAxis (Winter & Winter) On AlasNoAxis, Jim Black=92s first album as sole bandleader, the drummer reveals that there is far more to his artistry than the block rockin=92 beats, itchy funk, and deft, sensitive touch with which he has driven Tim Berne=92s Bloodcount, Dave Douglas=92 Tiny Bell Trio, and Pachora. On first listen, Black=92s music seems opaque and disjointed. But a referenc= e to =93sonic architecture=94 in the liner notes is illustrative: his compositional style is marked by fastidious placement of musical materials, both within each piece and in the construction of the entire album. It=92s seldom linear, rarely conventional, but never arbitrary. The brief four-way brawls of =93M m=94 and =93Poet Staggered=94 recall th= e teeming microcosms and blunt impact of Naked City=92s Torture Garden miniatures. Elsewhere Bill Frisell=92s prairie gothic and the livewire guitar dramaturgy of Nels Cline are evoked. Saxophonist/clarinetist Chris Speed supplies wistful, minimal melodicism and textural squiggles, guitarist Hilmar Jensson ranges from gentle strumming to post-Sonic Youth electric maelstrom, and bassist Skuli Sverrisson provides bubbling lines and sepulchral rumble. Jensson and Sverrisson are known for their work in dark ambient soundscaping, which Black harnesses as yet another color in his extended palette. There=92s not a conventional drum solo in site, and Black is happy to sit out on his own record from time to time. But the sheer variety of timbre with which he limns even the most basic beat illustrates his virtuosity in a far more meaningful way. A fascinating debut. =97Steve Smith Also, don't give up on Chris Speed. His band yeah, no is pretty terrific, and each album is better than the last. The most recent one is 'Emit.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Spiral Architect, "Cloud Constructor," 'A Sceptic's Universe' (Sensory) - thanks for the recommendation, Jeroen... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Newish Oxley from Norway? Date: 03 Jan 2001 17:11:05 -0500 Thanks, Greg and Ken. I've e-mailed the label directly to inquire about mail order. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Spiral Architect, "Conjuring Collapse," 'A Sceptic's Universe' (Sensory) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 17:26:52 -0500 (EST) I know they had a self-produced CD floating around when they played here (Toronto) a couple of years ago. But I'm not sure whether it was a CD-CD or a CDR they had made up for the occasion. Hope this helps Ken Waxman --- Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring > Kenny Wolleson, Michael > Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any > releases other than the one > track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"? _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:45:02 -0800 (PST) > > some excellent montaigne label releases have been > redistributed, at > > mid-price I was knocked out by the two Luigi Nono volumes; generally late work, and breathtaking. The "green" volume, "Variazone..." etc, has one long serial piece from the early Fifties and two very dynamic pieces from the Eighties (marvy); the "red" volume is one hour-long tape piece, cut-ups of violinist Gidon Kremer improvising, and Irvine Arditti performing as well. I very much enjoyed these; the packaging and liner notes are exemplary. My first ever Lachenmann is on the way as well. The web site for this label is not constrained by categories of bourgeois---or any other kind of---taste: http://www.auvidis.com/ (check out that "electronica" page! whoa, momma!) ----s, reeling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) Date: 03 Jan 2001 14:45:02 -0800 (PST) > > some excellent montaigne label releases have been > redistributed, at > > mid-price I was knocked out by the two Luigi Nono volumes; generally late work, and breathtaking. The "green" volume, "Variazone..." etc, has one long serial piece from the early Fifties and two very dynamic pieces from the Eighties (marvy); the "red" volume is one hour-long tape piece, cut-ups of violinist Gidon Kremer improvising, and Irvine Arditti performing as well. I very much enjoyed these; the packaging and liner notes are exemplary. My first ever Lachenmann is on the way as well. The web site for this label is not constrained by categories of bourgeois---or any other kind of---taste: http://www.auvidis.com/ (check out that "electronica" page! whoa, momma!) ----s, reeling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les Rhoda" Subject: Frisellat the movies Date: 03 Jan 2001 22:51:16 -0000 bill frisell >could probably dish out an AMAZING western score, maybe >i'm just dreaming out loud here. I just saw a flick the other night called "Around The Fire," about a prep-school reject who finds love and fellowship in the hippy jam-rock scene. Frisell's name is featured prominently in the opening credits, but there's not much of him throughout. The best part was Bill's crazy wailing during a bad acid trip scene. fwiw, Les _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:03:01 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 12:45:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: << *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen. 2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD) >> Many thanks. Anyone know where I can find it? Tom >> www.allegro-music.com. To save others the trouble of mentioning it, check out the link for cybermusicsurplus.com while you're there. (Slowpoke is only at allegro though). It is a good cd though probably not great. I got mine at ebay awhile back. The compositions are relatively ordinary and the playing somewhat uninspired. You probably won't be hankering to hear it often. At the cybermusicsurplus site,on Intuition, they have a Michael Blake cd "Kingdom Of Champa" which I would consider great. It breaks outside the boundaries of fusion and has some beautiful tunes. Besides Tronzo, it has Thomas Chapin, Billy Martin, Steven Bernstein, Marcus Rojas, Rufus Cappadocia, Tony Scherr, Bryan Carrott, and Scott Neumann. It makes me want to hear more Michael Blake. Cheers, John Threadgould - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: lutoslawski Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:06:17 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Scott Handley wrote: > --- Steve Smith wrote: > > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second > > movement, Polish Natl Radio > > Sym / Wit (Naxos) >> dear steve smith you know it all, and you do kniow it all damn it, i just wrote scott a private note briefly saying same, but line for line, you lutoslawski-lurkers out there, smith hit it all on the nose, and i own all the discs he referred to, plus the complete works on muza. get the naxos for ease, price, and performance. if this matters, it also has the provenance of the lutoslawski family. onward to szymanowski...."mythen" perhaps. steve koenig n.p.: the whistling sound of my asthma. some dj should sample it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Keiji Haino box query Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:10:14 EST << Keiji Haino >> speaking of whom, i had bought a shrink-wrapped used copy of the 4-disc long box at a very nice price. i found out later that there was originally a booklet inside. if anyone here owns it, might you be kind enough to write me privately to tell me if the book lists tracks, or has anything written in english? thanks steve koenig n.p.: cd-r of me, robert reigle, and bruce eisenbeil at downtown music gallery n.r.: zornlist - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: apologies for weird link Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:08:56 -0800 (PST) Sorry everyone who visited the Naive site. I clearly was not far enough into the site to be linking folks. While I'm here grovelling, though, could anyone help me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much obliged. ----s, smacking self on head __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: j a deane Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:15:31 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM,: << does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell: ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988) >> hi andreas, dunno this one but definitely try the butch morris/deane/le quan ninh on fmp ...i'd met 'dino' at roulette a buncha buncha years ago and on the way had stopped in a video/cd store browsing.... and i never buy videos. nonetheless, in the horror section was a plastic vid box handwritten J A DEANE, so i wondered if he had made films too. couldn't open it it, said the mgr, but at 7 bucks i gambled, and inside were four cassettes and stuff. i showed it to him that night and he said holy shit where did ya find that, its been gone for years... so fellow obsessives... i may not but lottery tickets, but im a good gambler, and so the search goes on, even if yr not looking :) steve koenig n.p.: my neighbors voices - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: bbc bowie Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:18:06 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two discs of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc containing a 2000 concert. Looks nice, but I would like your opinion. Thanks Neil H. Enet >> hi neil bought it and i had it all on bootlegs already but this, natch, has great sound. the perfs are exciting too. to me, its a neccesary buy. havent yet played the third bonus disc. steve koenig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:23:59 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Maurice Rickard > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:51 PM > At 9:46 PM +0000 1/3/01, thomas chatterton wrote: > >>From: "Benito Vergara" > >>To: "Zorn List" > >>Subject: RE: Boyd Rice? > >>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800 > >> > >>np: "the conet project" > >> > >>Is this the 4 CD set of recordings made of shortwave "numbers" stations? > > > >How interesting is it? > > I've heard parts of this, and the distorted voices + the shortwave > interference are fascinating and beautiful. It is indeed the numbers stations 4 cd set. I haven't completely made up my mind about it -- before buying it I was worried that it would be one of those discs that I'd play once or twice and leave on the shelf to gather dust, secure in the knowledge that I owned it (kind of like my one Derek Bailey disc, actually =)) -- and as four cds, it represented a major investment/commitment on my part. Some of it is quite creepy -- music box melodies, robotic synthesized voices, etc. The tracks which are a mix of beeps and static and hiss could easily fit onto a Mille Plateaux comp cd. But for the most part the tracks really are just recordings of voices counting in German, or letters/phrases like "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" repeated for almost five minutes -- spread over *four* cds. (It also comes with a 74-page booklet which tries to make sense of it all.) In short, the more unusual-sounding tracks probably could have been squeezed onto 1 or 2 discs, except that the cd set was intended to be comprehensive. Check out this link: http://www.lbmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/conet.htm Later, Ben np: "the conet project" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: apologies for weird link Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:22:17 -0800 On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:08:56 -0800 (PST) Scott Handley wrote: > > Sorry everyone who visited the Naive site. I clearly > was not far enough into the site to be linking folks. > While I'm here grovelling, though, could anyone help > me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much > obliged. I have been tempted by the following one: COL LEGNO COLLAGE 20505 - NONO: Orchestra & Chamber Works: Due Espressioni (1953); A Carlo Scarpa; Fragmente; An Diotima; Post Praeludium Donau; SWF Sym. Baden-Baden/Rosbaud/Gielen; Members of Chamber Orch., Collegium Musicum", Moscow; Giancarlo Schiaffini, tuba; Experimental Studio of H. Strobel Foundation, SWF Freiburg maybe because of the presence of Giancarlo Schiaffini. Any idea how it is? I also noticed a Sophia Gubaidulina and a Iannis Xenakis in the same collection that look yummy. The Boulez was definitely a nice addition since his early work is quite hard to find. Montaigne, Col Legno, and Naxos have been doing some fantastic job by making all these composers back in the record stores. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Keiji Haino box query Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:29:18 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > Acousticlv@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:10 PM > i had bought a shrink-wrapped used copy of the 4-disc long box > at a very nice price. i found out later that there was originally > a booklet inside. if anyone here owns it, might you be kind > enough to write me privately to tell me if the book lists tracks, > or has anything written in english? Check out the discography section at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/ -- under Lost Aaraaff, Nijiumu, Fushitsusha and Keiji Haino. I have the box as well, but it didn't seem to come with a booklet, just the inserts that came with each disc. Later, Ben np: still "the conet project" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: naxos prices & policy Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:31:36 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 << Can anybody explain me how do they manage to keep their prices that low? Their cds cost about 22 PLN here in Poland (about 5 USD). >> hi marcin. they saw how the 'majors' were messing up the classical market and had a deliberate strategy that now earns them perhaps a third to half of the market for classical discs in europe, and is spreading worldwide. they planned it this way; five to six dollars worldwide and to start with all digital new releases and sell in mass because of the price, and also to fill in major repertory gaps. they also have other clever ways: in each country they record their own composers to get the public "in the door." they have just started a usa series with first recordings of symphonies of georges antheil and others like that. their full-price label Marco Polo carries some wonderful first recordings, per norgard, and even first VillaLobos pcs, and in the nations of those composers, the discs come out at budget price on the Naxos label instead. What's great for me, who has a love of spoken word discs (i love being read to) is their poetry series- truly exceptional readers and selections...and theyve started a historical classical and an ethnicmusic series as well.... all the same budget prices. no im not on their staff. steve koenig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:32:34 -0500 Fastian@aol.com wrote: > At the cybermusicsurplus site,on Intuition, they have a Michael Blake cd > "Kingdom Of Champa" which I would consider great. It breaks outside the > boundaries of fusion and has some beautiful tunes. Besides Tronzo, it has > Thomas Chapin, Billy Martin, Steven Bernstein, Marcus Rojas, Rufus > Cappadocia, Tony Scherr, Bryan Carrott, and Scott Neumann. It makes me want > to hear more Michael Blake. Very enthusiastically seconded. This is a great album that flew under the radar thanks to patchy distribution and poor marketing/promotion. The music reflects upon the time Blake spent living in Vietnam and is colorful, tuneful and provocative. Definitely flying at the fringes of mainstream jazz. And jeez, look at that band... you've got Lounge Lizards, you've got Sex Mobsters, you've got Spanish Fly, you've got Chapin. Steve Say Go! Similar if not as exotic and another real good place to hear Blake (aside from recent Lounge Lizards discs, of course) are the three excellent discs by bassist Ben Allison's group Medicine Wheel (Allison, Blake, saxophonist Ted Nash, trumpeter Ron Horton, pianist Frank Kimbrough, cellist Tomas Ulrich and very hot drummer Jeff Ballard). There are three releases on the Palmetto label, all recommended to those with a taste for quirky inside jazz with clever writing: 'Medicine Wheel,' 'Third Eye' and the new 'Riding the Nuclear Tiger.' 'Third Eye' is my favorite but 'Tiger' is coming on strong. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "Bewitched," 'Sometimes the Magic' (CD-R, upcoming on Arabesque) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: luigi Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:47:09 -0500 At 03:08 PM 1/3/01 -0800, Scott Handley wrote: >Could anyone help me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much >obliged. I've listened to the new Mode release, Voices of Protest, a couple of times, and like it a lot. The centerpiece is A floresta =E9 jovem e cheja d= e vida (The Forest is young and full of life), which is excellent (although I remember being more moved by the old DGG release), but since this is an interactive score, the interpretation is pretty open. One of his best tape works is Contrappunto dialettica alla mente from the old DGG avant-garde release, if you can track it down (I don't think it's been released on cd yet), a scary agglomeration of voices and electronics. I also like como una ola de fuerza y luz (like a wave of fire and light) for voice, orchestra, piano and tape, as well as ...sofferte onde serene... for piano and tape. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: lutoslawski Date: 03 Jan 2001 18:54:37 -0500 Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > dear steve smith you know it all, > and you do kniow it all damn it No, no, no. I don't know it all. I learn new stuff here every single day. That's why I come out to play here so much. You should see the damn shopping list I concocted from everybody's "Best of Y2K" lists. Just bought a couple of Jeroen de Boer's metal recommendations earlier today... I need a job to support my habits... > i just wrote scott a private note briefly saying same, > but line for line, you lutoslawski-lurkers out there, > smith hit it all on the nose Well, like I said, it's virtually impossible to go wrong with Lutoslawski. > onward to szymanowski...."mythen" perhaps. That's a nice series, too. And I adore much of the American Classics series (though I think the Carter Pann disc is utterly missable). But there are occasional dogs in the Naxos pile, too. Avoid the Uuno Klami disc - it does the composer no favors. I've enjoyed some of the jazz discs as well, and have received but not yet heard one of the world CDs, 'Garden of Ydin' by klezmer guy Yale Strom. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "Truth in Timbre," 'Sometimes the Magic' (CD-R) (waiting patiently for the upcoming Naxos disc of Roy Harris symphonies, and wondering when they'll finally get around to releas the Persichetti recordings promised a few years ago... also curious about the new Leonard Balada disc - anyone heard it?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER Date: 03 Jan 2001 17:58:11 -0600 (CST) > > I'd be grateful if you could also let me know about > Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis". I'm not so confident about > the so-called Brooklyn scene. I found Chris Speed > Trio's "Iffy" and Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" both quite > disappointing. What about this one? > Well, I enjoy both the Speed and Saft records that you mention above, but can say without much hesitation that "Alasnoaxis" blows them both to complete bits. As the excellent review posted earlier mentioned, it manages to touch on just about everything from jazz to metal to electronica to Frisell-ian Americana, often several in the space of one track, and is nothing but breathtaking in doing so. The playing is superb and it's gorgeously recorded. If it's on your radar to the degree that you're considering it, then go get it. And anyone who's reading this, you go get it too. Yeah, www.britneybootyspears.com will still be there when you get back. Go find this album. [Steve - I assume the Jazziz review is yours? Sepulchral rumble? I don't have the energy to lift the dictionary for that one, but if it has anything to do with Sepultura then rock the fuck on...] Funny that I don't think I've ever seen it called by name (other than "you know, Jim Black, all those guys"), but I think there's some really exciting stuff coming out of the "Brooklyn Scene". Admittedly, like any other "scene" it's rather difficult to pin down who's in and who's not, but the general trend seems to be a serious musical omnivorosity (take that, Mr. Big-Word-Steve) that I for one find very encouraging. I was recently digging one of Speed's solos on Dave Douglas' "Soul on Soul" and remembered his raving about My Bloody Valentine at the record release gig for "Deviantics" and suddenly his quartet made quite a bit of sense. (oh, at the time I was also eating olives, which I'm going to consider the 3rd party in the Yeah No trinity...Nat Hentoff ain't got shit on me!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: schiaffini Date: 03 Jan 2001 19:08:28 EST In a message dated 1/3/01 6:25:41 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << maybe because of the presence of Giancarlo Schiaffini. >> anyone heard the new solo tuba (!) record by Schiaffini on Random Acoustics? I have one en route to me, just curious. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie ) Date: 03 Jan 2001 19:29:55 -0500 >mid-price (which still means about =A310.99 over here in the UK, or=20 >$16). i bought a christmas present (to myself from myself! it's safer Actually they're a bit less than that in the US. Forced Exposure sells them for $13 and Borders (a retail chain that usually charges close to list price) sells them at $13.50. Hope there are lots more to come. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice) Date: 03 Jan 2001 19:38:35 -0500 >I haven't completely made up my mind about it -- before buying it I was >worried that it would be one of those discs that I'd play once or twice and >leave on the shelf to gather dust, secure in the knowledge that I owned it That was my reaction when it first came out until I heard about 30 minutes from the set on the radio and realized what great "found" sound art it is. But then I'm a sucker for static and drifting voices; must have something to do with long car trips as a kid and those fading, crackling AM radio stations. Of course by then the set was out of print but Iridial finally responded with an email saying that it'd be repressed shortly (which turned out to be about a year). If you want even more there's a CD-ROM with ten (!) hours of material and background info available at http://www.blackcatsystems.com/numbers/cdrom.html. I don't know any other details about this. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 03 Jan 2001 19:52:05 EST --part1_21.5977b7f.27852335_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have >PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would >type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger. >anyone agree? disagree? >> >it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT! aaahhhhh!! >charlie >- - Ok, this is one of the best pop records EVER, definitely in the realm of most things the Beatles did. it is lush, beautiful, masterfully orchestrated... does anyone know if Brian Wilson had any formal learning of orchestration? the man is a genius... and hello charlie, i found a little brown envelope...i'll send your disc soon. on to another subject: does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the most brilliant 80's records), rapeman.... steve albini is a pretty intense character. just stuff i've been listening to... ben o. NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!! --part1_21.5977b7f.27852335_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have
>PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase.  i would
>type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger.
>anyone agree?   disagree? >>

>it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT!  aaahhhhh!!

>charlie

>- -

Ok, this is one of the best pop records EVER, definitely in the realm of most
things the Beatles did. it is lush, beautiful, masterfully orchestrated...
does anyone know if Brian Wilson had any formal learning of orchestration?
the man is a genius...

and hello charlie, i found a little brown envelope...i'll send your disc soon.

on to another subject:
does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early
jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the
most brilliant 80's records), rapeman....
steve albini is a pretty intense character.

just stuff i've been listening to...

ben o.

NP-  They Might Be Giants.....excellent!! --part1_21.5977b7f.27852335_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: parmegiani Date: 03 Jan 2001 20:18:06 EST anyone interested in checking out the superb and temporarily out of print De Natura Sonorum by Bernard Parmegiani, it's up on Antenna Radio this week. http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/levide/pn.htm Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Best of 2000 Date: 04 Jan 2001 02:03:14 -0000 A bit late, (recounts, hanging door chads, etc) but here they are: Best albums of 2000: 1. Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Positzos - Muy Divertido!(Atlantic) 2. Sidsel Endresen - Undertow (Jazzland) 3. Shellac - 1000 Hurts (Touch & Go) 4. Derek Bailey/Jamaleeden Tacuma/Calvin Weston - Mirakle (Tzadik) 5. Morphine - The Night (Rykodisc) 6. Otomo Yoshihide/Voice Crack - Bits, Bots and Signs (Erstwhile) 7. Farmers Market - Farmers Market (Winter & Winter) 8. John Zorn - Filmworks IX: Trembling Before G-d (Tzadik) 9. Dave Douglas - 1000 Evenings (RCA) 10. Fennesz - 03/02/00 Live at Revolver, Melbourne (Touch) / Fennesz with Rosy Parlane - Live at Synaesthesia (Synaesthesia ) (This is actually 2 EPs of live stuff from Fennesz' Australian tour, but it's my list so I'll put them in if I like!) 11. High Llamas - Buzzle Bee (Duophonic Super 45s) 12. Aix Em Klemm - Aix Em Klemm (Kranky) 13. Broadcast - The Noise Made By People (Warp) 14. John Zorn - Xu Feng (Tzadik) 15. Radiohead - Kid A (Parlophone) Reissues of 2000 1.Raymond Scott - Manhattan Research (Basta) 2. John Zorn - The Big Gundown 15th Anniversary Edition (Tzadik) 3. Various - Ohm: The Early Gurus of Electronic Music (Ellipsis Arts) 4. The Monkees - The Headquarters Sessions (Rhino Handmade) (a guilty pleasure) 5. The Wondermints - Bali (Sanctuary) Gigs of 2000 AAAAAARRRRGH! Such a good year for gigs after a slightly disappointing 1999. In no particular order: Iain Ballamy's Food/Farmers Market at the Jazz Cafe John Zorn's Masada triple bill at the Barbican Shellac at All Tomorrow's Parties (rock gig of the year, no question) Dave Douglas Charms of The Night Sky/Tiny Bell Trio at the QEH Sidsel Endresen at Ronnie Scotts Arto Lindsay at the Jazz Cafe Ryoji Ikeda at the QEH Film of 2000 Memento. I didn't see many "new" filns this year, but this one stayed with me for days and weeks after I saw it. Great stuff. Finally saw A Clockwork Orange for the first time now that Kubrick is dead. Disappointment of 2000 Teenage Fanclub "Howdy". I've tried really hard, but...it took them three years to come up with that?!? Instrument of 2000 The Accordion. Obviously. A - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 03 Jan 2001 21:06:23 EST --part1_3d.59e059d.2785349f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/03/2001 5:11:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, ObviousEye@aol.com writes: > NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!! Which one?:) I'm still waiting for their childrens album to come out! --part1_3d.59e059d.2785349f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/03/2001 5:11:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ObviousEye@aol.com writes:


NP-  They Might Be Giants.....excellent!!


Which one?:)

I'm still waiting for their childrens album to come out!
--part1_3d.59e059d.2785349f_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Michael Blake (was: slowpoke) Date: 03 Jan 2001 21:50:11 -0500 Hello John, Wednesday, January 03, 2001, you wrote to me: Fac> At the cybermusicsurplus site,on Intuition, they have a Michael Fac> Blake cd "Kingdom Of Champa" which I would consider great. It Fac> breaks outside the boundaries of fusion and has some beautiful Fac> tunes. Besides Tronzo, it has Thomas Chapin, Billy Martin, Steven Fac> Bernstein, Marcus Rojas, Rufus Cappadocia, Tony Scherr, Bryan Fac> Carrott, and Scott Neumann. It makes me want to hear more Michael Fac> Blake. They had it actually. I made a list of things to order from there before January 2 (the last day of super sale), but some items disappeared by that time including "Kingdom Of Champa". Blake is playing in Steven Bernstein's "Millenial Territory Orchestra" among others. Although there are no CDs released yet, you can get some MP3s from Sex Mob official web site. The music is pure fun and reminds of Kansas City Band with all downtowners instead of "real" jazz guys. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: slowpoke Date: 03 Jan 2001 22:43:35 EST Thanks to everyone for the Slowpoke help! Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: semi zorn related hodge podge Date: 03 Jan 2001 23:31:10 -0500 Zorn Kids Does anyone on the list have the complete Ellington on RCA Victor box? I'm about to check it out and am wondering about the packaging. Do the cds come in boxes, things like that. And... Just got my first DVD player (and Branded to Kill with Zorn written liner notes and film posters from his collection) and am wondering if anyone has recommendations of Hong Kong/Japanese/Asian/Indian film on DVD or VCD. I'm a fan of Seijun Suzuki and "Bride with White Hair" and some kung-fu, and Woo, but I'm looking to go deeper. Thanks in advance: Matt NP in the changer: Nick Drake Home recordings, Gainsbourg's "vu de l'exterieur", Dolly Parton, "The Lightning Fingers of Roy Clark", Ed Haley. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Me" Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 03 Jan 2001 23:53:49 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C075E0.6AEFD300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable as far as i know, brian wilson did not have any formal training, and = learned his composition from sitting down and learning tunes by the Four = Freshmen.
as far as i=20 know, brian wilson did not have any formal training, and learned his = composition=20 from sitting down and learning tunes by the Four=20 Freshmen.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C075E0.6AEFD300-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: touch&go/virgin prunes Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:56:17 EST << does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? >> dear ben o, by fave touch and go all come from the group the Virgin Prunes, who combine noise, gothic and dancemusic, depending on the cut, and the disc (have a nifty box of 10"s from then, all noise stuff) and all of them on an extended 12" of loooong mixes of 'our love will last forever until the day it dies' steve koenig n.p.: martinu- works for 2 pnos- elan records- fab disc! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: semi zorn related hodge podge Date: 04 Jan 2001 01:09:45 -0500 >liner notes and film posters from his collection) and am wondering if >anyone has recommendations of Hong Kong/Japanese/Asian/Indian film on >DVD or VCD. I'm a fan of Seijun Suzuki and "Bride with White Hair" and >some kung-fu, and Woo, but I'm looking to go deeper. DVDs have been wonderful for Indian films. The quality is so much better than the third generation, EP dubs that fill Indian video stores plus the box will tell you whether there's English subtitles (though the song lyrics still aren't translated) and the chapter stops will give you titles of songs. Well worth seeking out are China-Gate (a very nice remake of Seven Samurai), Satya (a gritty story about a low-level criminal with big plans) and Dil Se (oddball romantic musical that veers into genuine surrealism at times). There have even been a fair amount of Indian films from the 50s and 60s turning up on DVD. Japanese films are a bit more spotty on DVD. The actual made-in-Japan discs rarely have subtitles and can't be played in regular US players anyway. Some good stuff has come out in the US however including most of Takeshi Kitano's major films though the quality on some like Violent Cop are supposedly no better than videotape. Several of the films in the retrospective Masters of Japanese Outlaw Cinema have started showing up: two of Koji Wakamatsu's just last week (imagine Bataille-inspired mixes of Godard, politics and softcore porn), the ultra-nihilistic Female Convict Scorpion: Jailhouse 41, a wild 'n' goofy spy comedy Black Tight Killers. A big cult favorite is Evil Dead Trap but I thought it was dull and unimaginative. Plus of course quite a bit of Kurosawa and tons of anime (don't miss Princess Mononoke). Japanese films on VCD are somewhat different: there's quite a selection available and a good percentage of them have English subs. Hong Kong DVDs are often subtitled, in fact some offer as many as six or seven subtitles (Bahasa anyone?). The quality is generally good with the notable exception of older martial arts films released in the US which are often the same chopped-up, poorly dubbed versions that used to air on late-night TV. And there are a very few genuine scams such as a DVD for Ashes of Time that took a full-frame image, put black bars over parts of the top and bottom and then sold as letterboxed. (There's a better quality disc of this title--though still not top-notch--but unfortunately I can't remember which company did which version.) Many of the best-known HK films are on DVD and more come out all the time. If you like Woo definitely check out Ringo Lam (esp Full Contact, Full Alert, Wild Search and Burning Paradise) and Johnnie To (Heroic Trio, Running Out of Time). There are numerous books and websites about HK films so you'll never lack for suggestions. Films from other Asian countries sometimes appear on VCD and are just now getting spotty DVD releases. The two best-known Chinese (PRC) directors Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige have a few on disc. Most of Taiwanese director Hou Hsiao-Hsien's films are due for US DVD release later this year and definitely shouldn't be missed, esp City of Sadness which is one of the three or four greatest films ever made. Tsai Miang-Ling's The Hole was just released; I haven't seen it yet but his other films are quite good so I'm looking forward to it. There's a lot of good stuff coming out of Korea that deserves to be seen so maybe some day.... You can get more info on the Asian movies newsgroup but it gets so bogged down in petty fights that it's too often a chore to read. Instead I'd recommend the Mobius Home Video Forum (http://www.mhvf.net/) as a better source. LT Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: fs: yoshihide 'sampling virus' Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:21:00 -0600 (CST) hello everyone. otomo yoshihide, the night before the death of the sampling virus, extreme xcd 024 8 years later, this disc still doesn't do anything for me (unlike 'cathode'), so if anyone here would like it, please make an offer (anything is better than the "we don't want it" the local 'hip' record store gave me). also, i noticed there is some real audio of the tim berne big band up on the screwgun website, for those that are interested. really great music, as usual.... cheers, whit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: semi zorn related hodge podge Date: 04 Jan 2001 01:52:37 -0500 Matt Laferty wrote: > Does anyone on the list have the complete Ellington on RCA Victor box? > I'm about to check it out and am wondering about the packaging. Do the > cds come in boxes, things like that. The CDs do not come in jewel cases. They come in thin cardboard sleeves. There are 24 discs arranged in four stacks of six discs apiece. There is a ribbon attached to the bottom of the box underneath each stack to make it easier to lift the discs out of the box. There's also a pretty remarkable book in the box, but some early copies had faulty binding and the pages fell out pretty readily. If you happen to get one of these, the company will exchange it for you at no cost, though you'll have to pay postage to send the faulty copy to them. If you don't feel like springing for the entire 24 CD set, RCA will be issuing smaller subsets in increments of three to seven related discs. These come in standard CD jewel boxes, but you don't get that wonderful book. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Leonardo Balada, 'Sardana,' Barcelona Sym/Aeschbacher (Naxos) - answering my own query from earlier in the afternoon... so far not particularly impressive... good thing these things are cheap... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 04 Jan 2001 02:06:25 -0500 --------------D20DF112ACF8392A176E301B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? > early > jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of > the > most brilliant 80's records), rapeman.... The Butthole Surfers will always be one of my favorite bands of all time, even though their records since leaving Touch & Go have not been anywhere near as good. I think the stretch of records they made for the label - 'Psychic... Powerless... Another Man's Sac,' 'Rembrandt Pussyhorse,' 'Locust Abortion Technician,' and 'Hairway to Steven' are all just brilliant, and I listen to the first one all the damn time. And for the hardcore, the recent Latino Bugger Veil reissues do in fact sound much better than the Touch & Go originals. The double live authorized bootleg is great as well - I have so many fond memories of seeing this band over and over in the '80s in Texas. The last time I saw them was one of their earliest gigs with only one drummer - it was a New Year's Eve date in Houston, and they announced that they had just signed to Capitol, then closed the show with "Don't Fear the Reaper." Supposedly they're working on a new album for another major label, though I've heard some truly disturbing rumors about Gibby's mental health (or lack thereof - he seems hellbent on becoming another Roky Erickson drug-damage poster child). I'd KILL to get a copy of the third Capitol album, 'After the Astronaut.' It was cancelled after review copies were sent out and was even reviewed in Spin, but I've never seen one of these advance copies anywhere, even on eBay. If anyone out there is sitting on a copy they could tape, I'd be your friend for life... I read at some point on an old and possibly defunct Surfers newsgroup that it might possibly be released elsewhere in the world, but that doesn't seem to have happened. Marginally related (since Surfer Paul Leary produced a track) - has anyone out there heard the new Meat Puppets? Is it worth hearing? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Leonardo Balada, 'Fantasias Sonoras,' Barcelona Sym/Aeschbacher (Naxos) - better than the last piece I mentioned, but only just... --------------D20DF112ACF8392A176E301B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early
jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the
most brilliant 80's records), rapeman....
The Butthole Surfers will always be one of my favorite bands of all time, even though their records since leaving Touch & Go have not been anywhere near as good.  I think the stretch of records they made for the label - 'Psychic... Powerless... Another Man's Sac,' 'Rembrandt Pussyhorse,' 'Locust Abortion Technician,' and 'Hairway to Steven' are all just brilliant, and I listen to the first one all the damn time.  And for the hardcore, the recent Latino Bugger Veil reissues do in fact sound much better than the Touch & Go originals.  The double live authorized bootleg is great as well - I have so many fond memories of seeing this band over and over in the '80s in Texas.  The last time I saw them was one of their earliest gigs with only one drummer - it was a New Year's Eve date in Houston, and they announced that they had just signed to Capitol, then closed the show with "Don't Fear the Reaper."

Supposedly they're working on a new album for another major label, though I've heard some truly disturbing rumors about Gibby's mental health (or lack thereof - he seems hellbent on becoming another Roky Erickson drug-damage poster child).

I'd KILL to get a copy of the third Capitol album, 'After the Astronaut.'  It was cancelled after review copies were sent out and was even reviewed in Spin, but I've never seen one of these advance copies anywhere, even on eBay.  If anyone out there is sitting on a copy they could tape, I'd be your friend for life...  I read at some point on an old and possibly defunct Surfers newsgroup that it might possibly be released elsewhere in the world, but that doesn't seem to have happened.

Marginally related (since Surfer Paul Leary produced a track) - has anyone out there heard the new Meat Puppets?  Is it worth hearing?

Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Leonardo Balada, 'Fantasias Sonoras,' Barcelona Sym/Aeschbacher (Naxos) - better than the last piece I mentioned, but only just... --------------D20DF112ACF8392A176E301B-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: luigi Date: 03 Jan 2001 23:11:11 -0800 "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote: > > One of his best tape works is Contrappunto dialettica alla mente from the old > DGG avant-garde release, if you can track it down (I don't think it's been > released on cd yet), a scary agglomeration of voices and electronics. I also > like como una ola de fuerza y luz (like a wave of fire and light) for voice, > orchestra, piano and tape, as well as ...sofferte onde serene... for piano > and tape. Oddly enough, those three compositions all appear on the very same remastered CD, DGG 423 248-2, in uh, looks like 1988. My favorite is the string quartet _Fragmente - Stille - an Diotima_, a barely-there self-consuming memory-confounding piece verging on the "lowercase-sound" a decade ahead of its time; there's a fine recording by the Arditti Quartet. (There's also a feature-length film of the Arditti rehearsing the piece, called something like _Quartet at the End of Time_ (help!?) which would make a grand DVD release (hint, hint), really getting into the fine grain of how music like this is performed, and how an "interpretation" is formed.) -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored." -- Norman Mailer np: Claude Debussy, _String Quartet Op. 10_ (Orion Quartet) nr: Winsor McKay, _Little Nemo in Slumberland_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: j a deane Date: 04 Jan 2001 09:06:24 +0100 >From: Acousticlv@aol.com > >In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM,: ><< does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell: >ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988) >> > >dunno this one >but definitely try the butch morris/deane/le quan ninh on fmp thanks for the tip, but I have this cd since it was new - especially as I had the luck to be a part of the audience where this fantastic cd was made... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert van Heumen" Subject: Re: apologies for weird link Date: 04 Jan 2001 09:12:25 +0100 what do you mean? it's a great website! a lot of fun to visit, and to listen some new stuff... ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... ......... ......... ......... ...... ...... ......... ......... ......... ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:08 AM > Sorry everyone who visited the Naive site. I clearly > was not far enough into the site to be linking folks. > While I'm here grovelling, though, could anyone help > me with some Nono recommendations? I'd be much > obliged. > > ----s, smacking self on head > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: DVD suggestion Date: 04 Jan 2001 00:50:19 -0800 on 1/3/01 8:31 PM, Matt Laferty at bg60009@binghamton.edu wrote: If not already, check out Tokyo Drifter. > > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis Subject: suggestion request for california Date: 04 Jan 2001 12:03:10 +0100 (MET) dear californian friends, I will be in CA for a couple of weeks, definitely in Ventura from 14 to 19 January and then SF/SJ from 22 to 27 January. I am interested in any live events (impro/jazz/weirdo stuff) and a few nice addresses of CD/LP/Book stores (1st,2nd hand) in SF. Thanks in advance manolis E. Papagiannakis Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam tel: +31 20 4447934 Biophysics fax: +31 20 4447999 De Boelelaan 1081 1081 HV, Amsterdam The Netherlands - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Michael Bisio/Eyvind Kang MBEK Date: 04 Jan 2001 23:46:17 +1030 Has anyone heard this album? Meniscus Records. MNSCS 005 Michael Bisio/Eyvind Kang MBEK Recorded at Flora Avenue Studios, 27 November 1998. Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TempoBlock@aol.com Subject: Re: Manhattan Research Inc. / Raymond Scott Date: 04 Jan 2001 09:00:31 EST In a message dated 1/4/01 3:09:22 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > >Reissues of 2000 >1.Raymond Scott - Manhattan Research (Basta) Actually, this material was never released before, so even though it's from the 1950s-60s, it technically isn't a 'reissue.' THANKS! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: RE: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 04 Jan 2001 08:09:29 -0600 Obvious, Touch & Go: I'd have to say besides the Butthole Surfers, the Didgets get my vote as the best band on the label (and they're native to Illini country - Matoon, I believe). Everything they ever put out is worth gettin' (including their numerous 45's)...maybe just not available. Albini is intense, but I've never thought his music as noteworthy as the bands he incorporated onto the label. moter www.hotheadfiasco.com >on to another subject: >does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? early >jesus lizard, big black, butthole surfers (hairway to steven is one of the >most brilliant 80's records), rapeman.... >steve albini is a pretty intense character. > >just stuff i've been listening to... > >ben o. > >NP- They Might Be Giants.....excellent!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: Looking for Keiji Haino cds on TAKUMA label Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:24:47 +0100 Hello, I am looking for two FUSHITSUSHA cds that came out on the japanese TAKUMA label. Four cds were published, and I only could get my hands on: -TKCF-77014 (track one is called Just as I told you) -TKCF-77015 (track one is called Just before) Two more cds were published on that label and I am currently looking for them. I tried several web-based ditributors, but they seem very hard to get, although they are still in print. What do I have in trade? Signed (yes indeed, signed) copies of the following keiji haino solo cds -Keiji Haino on PSF label (PSFD-38) -Keiji Haino on TAKUMA label (TKCF-77016) -Execration that..... (forced exposure label) -Keiji Haino on DSA-label (CDSA 54029) If you don't want to trade, I am also interested in buying your copy. Please contact me off-list. Best wishes, Stefan Verstraeten stefan.annik@planetinternet.be - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: leonardo balada/james fei Date: 04 Jan 2001 10:29:00 EST << ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Leonardo Balada, 'Sardana,' Barcelona Sym/Aeschbacher (Naxos) - answering my own query from earlier in the afternoon... so far not particularly impressive...>> hi steve, stick with balada's amazing opera Maria Sabina, now CD'd on CRI. About the mexican healer who was persecuted for her use of mushrooms. Not just for druggies. Some of his other works are good too, but Maria Sabina is the only required disc. steve koenig n.p.: james fei: "for card reed and gated amplification"-- new 3" cd ---folks who love erstwhile discs (like me) should dig this shorty too - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 04 Jan 2001 11:03:33 -0500 ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: does anyone else here really enjoy some of those wacky Touch&Go bands? Oh, man. Silkworm are a current favorite (not wacky, but great songs and playing). Particularly worth seeking out are their peak quartet-era recordings with Joel R.L. Phelps (_In The West_ and _Libertine_), but the new one (_Lifestyle_) has some real classics on it. Pittsburgh expatriates (and now not a band at all anymore) Don Caballero (they put the rock in "math rock"). The latest one, _American Don_, suffers from not having Mike Banfield on guitar alongside Ian Williams, but it's still the Don. I'd recommend all of the first three discs--_For Respect_, _2_, and _What Burns Never Returns_. They're all different--the first was more heavy, the second more, uh, experimental/noisy, and the third is both more complex and poppier than the others, and is possibly my favorite. Dirty Three--guitar, drums, and violin, deeply moving instrumental music. The latest one (Whatever You Love, You Are) is a must-own, if you're an emotional type. Storm&Stress (see Don Caballero above, actually) is a sort of free-form noodling that actually works (sometimes)! I like the first one better than the latest, but I do appreciate JOR's and Jim Black's contributions. I'll second Steve's recommendation of the first Buttholes LP. I was bereft when mine acquired a bad scratch (dropped it--damn!), overjoyed to find a used CD to replace it. Slint, of course, but I'm a sentimentalist. I'll never forget hearing _Spiderland_ played in its entirety on college radio when it first came out. Still a great disc, and McMahan's The For Carnation can certainly build a mood, particularly on the new self-titled disc. I'm very fond of Shellac, too. The new one (_1000 Hurts_) sounds _great_, but...the lyrics are pretty bad (as in unconvincing, embarrassing, could have used a couple more editing go-rounds). Fine performances, though. If we broaden the criteria to other T&G associated labels, there's even more good stuff, but I've got work to do... -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:23:46 +0100 >From: "Alastair Wilson" > >Instrument of 2000 > >The Accordion. Obviously. if you like this instrument - as I do - you should check out Kimmo Pohjonen from Finland (if you haven´t before). He´s really fantastic and unique. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 04 Jan 2001 11:26:02 EST In a message dated 1/4/01 11:05:14 AM, maurice@mac.com writes: << Dirty Three--guitar, drums, and violin, deeply moving instrumental music. The latest one (Whatever You Love, You Are) is a must-own, if you're an emotional type. >> I'm a big Dirty Three fan, and I'd actually recommend approaching them in chronological order, the latest one last. they've gotten more subdued with each release. I'd suggest beginning with the unbridled energy of Sad and Dangerous (Poon Village). Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 04 Jan 2001 11:41:47 -0500 At 11:26 AM -0500 1/4/01, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >I'm a big Dirty Three fan, and I'd actually recommend approaching them in >chronological order, the latest one last. they've gotten more subdued with >each release. I'd suggest beginning with the unbridled energy of Sad and >Dangerous (Poon Village). > Good point, Jon. Somewhat related to the topic, there's a site that has a lot of streaming videos of shows by many T&G and related/similar bands, including Dirty Three, if you'd like to get a (blurry, jerky) picture of their live shows. (It actually isn't so bad, depending on connection speed...) Check out http://www.supersphere.com/Club/Archive/ -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: brian wilson's training Date: 04 Jan 2001 09:31:22 -0800 a co-worker studied piano with the same lady who taught brian wilson as a teenager. teacher sez he could pick up anything instantly by ear.... can't speak to any training beyond that.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: spaceways inc. Date: 04 Jan 2001 09:32:49 -0800 any other comments on this vandermark et al CD of clinton and sun ra tunes? money well spent? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: spaceways inc. Date: 04 Jan 2001 12:54:16 -0500 Shit! This CD keeps creeping on me. Great contrast of Ra and P/Funkadelic. I'm continually blown away by Hamid Drake's drumming. I've heard him in looser contexts (with William Parker), but never in such a swinging/grooving setting. Along those lines, anyone have more grooving Drake recomendations? cheers JM > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Martin Wisckol > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:33 PM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: spaceways inc. > > > any other comments on this vandermark et al CD of clinton and sun ra > tunes? money well spent? > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: 2000 favorties Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:28:49 -0700 late and entirely incomplete - but I won't bother to complete it. a few are from 99. in no particular order: Rowe/Mueller/Sugimoto - The world Turned Upside down (erstwhile) Dafeldecker/Kurzmann/Fennesz/O'rourke/drumm/siewart - self titled (Charhizma) Stagl/Kurzmann - Schnee (erstwhile) Stangl - Recital (durian) Parker/Rowe - Dark Rags (Potlatch) Mueller/Ninh - La Voyelle Liquide (erstwhile) Mueller/Sugimoto - I am happy if you are happy (For4Ears) Drumm/Sugimoto - Den (sonoris) Otomo/Voice Crack - Bits Bolts and Signs (erstwhile) Vladislav Delay - entain (Mille Plateaux) Kevin Drumm - second (perdition plastics) Such - the issue at hand (matchless) coming in the mail: Morton Feldman "ALL PIANO" 4cd london hall (performed by John Tilbury) Xenakis "persepolis" Fractal - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: more Suggestions Date: 03 Jan 2001 11:00:28 -0700 some things other people have mentioned have caused a few more recordings to spring to mind: Ned Rothenberg Double Band (w/jim black, billy martin, marty erlich, chris wood, and jerome harris (?) - i think) Erik Friedlander "the Watchman" on Tzadik. I guess it's "chamber jazz" - in any event I still enjoy listening to this recording. I think it's certainly a complete *album*. fred frith - "guitar solos" ohh and no frisell collection is complete without "live" w/joey baron and Kermit Driscoll. that Mario Pavone guy ain't too bad either. This seems like an appropriate time to thank the list for recommending the Eskelin recording "the sun died" w/Marc Ribot and Kenny Wolleson on Soul Note. (liners by John Corbett) Pretty strait ahead in a way but I really like it. Matt Wirzbicki ohh - just my $.02 but if you go the MMW route stick with "Notes from the Udnerground" "it's a jungle in here" and then maybe "friday afternoon in the universe." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: suggestion request for california Date: 04 Jan 2001 13:49:14 EST >>dear californian friends, I will be in CA for a couple of weeks, definitely in Ventura from 14 to 19 January and then SF/SJ from 22 to 27 January. I am interested in any live events (impro/jazz/weirdo stuff) and a few nice addresses of CD/LP/Book stores (1st,2nd hand) in SF. Thanks in advance manolis>> Thursday, Jan 25 2001 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market Street Upstairs (2nd Floor) San Francisco CA 8pm Thomas Dumuzio, solo electronics Experimental musical forms such as musique concrete and electro-acoustic, as well as more current ambient-industrial and post-techno styles. 9pm Tom Heasley, solo tuba New work for tuba with FX processing and loop sampler. -- Saturday, Jan 27 2001 8:00 PM New Langton Arts 1246 Folsom Street San Francisco CA Kazue Sawai Koto live in San Francisco with Carl Stone(computer) Shoko Hikage(koto) Noriko Tsuboi(koto from Japan) Shirley Muramoto(koto) Michiyo Koga(koto) Tamie Kooyenga(koto) 415(626)5416 New Langton Arts Tickets $10, $8 That's a couple things I lifted from www.bayimproviser.com. Check the Bay Guardian weekly when you get into town for more complete happenings. For cds, as its been probably said here many times before, Amoeba. One on Haight St. in SF and one on Telegraph in Berkeley. After you leave these, you'll be broke and won't have to worry about going anywhere else. Codys and Moes, both across the street from Amoeba on Telegraph, are really good bookstores. Enjoy! John Threadgould - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Mosaic founder Charlie Lourie dead at 60 Date: 04 Jan 2001 13:50:09 -0500 Founder of highbrow jazz label, 60 rhnytsta STAMFORD, Conn. (AP) - Charlie Lourie, a founder of the sophisticated jazz recording label Mosaic, died Dec. 31 of heart failure, his family said. He was 60. Mosaic, founded 17 years ago by Lourie and Michael Cuscuna, produces CD and vinyl record reissues of noted jazz performances, usually in limited editions prized by serious fans of the genre. Mosaic productions, sold only by mail, have ranged from a double-CD set of Don Cherry recordings to an 18-disk set of recordings by Nat "King" Cole. The sets are accompanied by lengthy essays by jazz critics and historians. Lourie was born in Boston and attended the New England Conservatory, working with jazz and classical groups in the Boston area in the 1960s. After stints with the Columbia, Blue Note and Warner labels, he and Cuscuna established Mosaic in Santa Monica, Calif., in 1983. Lourie moved to Stamford in 1985. He is survived by a son, David, and a daughter, Sarah. Funeral services were Wednesday. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: Current 93 Date: 04 Jan 2001 13:05:10 -0600 Hi, I remember someone on this list mentioning that s/he was a Current 93 completist. I have Christ and the Pale Queens and want to buy 2 more. Can you or anyone else offer any suggestions? or of any similar artists, etc? Thanks, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Kimmo Pohjonen Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:01:20 -0000 I haven't heard any Kimmo Pohjonen, but am interested. Do you, Andreas (or anyone else), have any recommendations as to where to start? I had never reckoned the accordion at all until seeing Stian Carstensen and Guy Kluscevek this year. Unbelievable talents. > >From: "Alastair Wilson" > > > >Instrument of 2000 > > > >The Accordion. Obviously. > > if you like this instrument - as I do - you should check out Kimmo Pohjonen from Finland (if you haven´t before). He´s really fantastic and unique. > > Andreas > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: Manhattan Research Inc. / Raymond Scott Date: 04 Jan 2001 18:41:44 -0000 Nitpickers, we got 'em... ----- Original Message ----- > > > >Reissues of 2000 > >1.Raymond Scott - Manhattan Research (Basta) > > Actually, this material was never released before, so even though it's > from the 1950s-60s, it technically isn't a 'reissue.' > > THANKS! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Current 93 Date: 04 Jan 2001 14:14:52 EST In a message dated 1/4/01 2:06:04 PM, soulfrieda@hotmail.com writes: << I remember someone on this list mentioning that s/he was a Current 93 completist. I have Christ and the Pale Queens and want to buy 2 more. Can you or anyone else offer any suggestions? or of any similar artists, etc? >> if you're interested in the wild sound collage side of Current 93, I'd highly recommend exploring the world of Steven Stapleton, aka Nurse With Wound. where to start? an impossible question I've tried to answer many times, possibly with Homotopy To Marie (United Dairies). if you're interested in the overwrought goth singer/songwriter side of C93, I'm the wrong guy to ask, although if you can find Comus-First Utterance (BGO), you can hear where Tibet copped much of his schtick from. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Gunning" Subject: Re: Current 93 Date: 04 Jan 2001 13:34:04 -0600 > I remember someone on this list mentioning that s/he was a Current 93 > completist. I have Christ and the Pale Queens and want to buy 2 more. Can > you or anyone else offer any suggestions? A lot of variety in Current 93, it depends on what you're looking for. Early C93 is very industrial, noisy, Crowley inspired, my favorite from this period is probably "Dog's Blood Rising" -- truly frightening at times. Later stuff is more folky, though naturally quite angst ridden and melancholy, even quite beautiful at times. Some possibilities here are "Thunder Perfect Mind", "Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre" (my personal favorite), and "All the Pretty Little Horses". More ambient are works like "The Sadness of Things" and "In a Foreign Land, In a Foreign Town". Or, since you're interested in 2 CDs, you might want to consider the recent double CD compilation "Calling for Vanished Faces", which has some of the best things from his entire career. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: drake and spaceways Date: 04 Jan 2001 14:52:23 -0500 drake et al are fantastic on the dkv live/wels disc on okkadisk. fantastic. i'm certain the new duo with joe mcphee on okka is great as well, but i haven't fully digested it yet. the true phenom will be the parker/drake duo, scheduled for spring i think on aum fidelity. 2 i don't like as well, but which everyone else does, are '2 days in april' (parker/anderson/jordan/drake) and the aforementioned spaceways, which was quite a disappointment to me. rather then try'n articulate, i'll paste my review which ran months back below. my opinion's not changed. kg np: rashaan rolank kirk - dog years in the fourth ring, disc 1 The Vandermark 5 - Burn the Incline (Atavistic) Vandermark/Drake/McBride - Spaceways Incorporated: Thirteen Cosmic Standards by Sun Ra & Funkadelic (Atavistic) Last year, Chicago-based saxophonist Ken Vandermark was the source of some serious ripples in the jazz world when it was announced that he would be the recipient of the prestigious MacArthur Genius Award. The prestigious no-strings-attached cash prize has gone to only a handful of jazz musicians, and with race still too pervasive a lens in what has been called African American Classical Music, a white boy heralding from Boston getting such recognition was, well, surprising, to say the least. Since then, Vandermark has blazed a trail that should resolve any doubts about merit. Several working bands, notably the DKV Trio and his excellent quintet, along with a number of one-off side projects have made for an exhaustive, exciting c.v. Two new recordings on the Chicago label Atavistic do as much as any of them to show Vandermark is a force with which to be reckoned. "Spaceways Incorporated" is a session dedicated to stellar keyboardist Sun Ra, who led his large Arkestra for years before his death in 1993, and funkmeister George Clinton of Parliament, Funkadelic and countless other projects. The thesis is clever: two composers who regularly referred to extraterrestrial origins - Ra claimed to be from Saturn and Clinton regularly sings about his high-flying Mothership - stripped down to a trio. It may seem an odd pairing, but the similarities between the two aren't just superficial. Both implement large, keyboard-heavy units and favor extended jams. Here, however, we have neither the keys nor the breadth, and especially with the Clinton tunes, the group seems most often to be simply trying to make the point and move on. The playing is strong and to Clinton and Ra fans the disc is probably worth the purchase price. But ultimately the novelty eclipses the performance. The Vandermark 5, on the other hand, is a surprisingly deep and flexible outfit that shifts easily from avant garde experimentalism to swinging grooves and even hard rock, aided in no small part by the presence of trombonist/electric guitarist Jeb Bishop. "Burn the Incline," the group's fourth release, is as strong as anything they've pressed. As a bonus, the first 1,000 pressings come with a second 60+ minute disc of "Free Jazz Classics," featuring the unit playing compositions by Ornette Coleman, Eric Dolphy and Lester Bowie, among others. The second disc shows that Vandermark is fully able to interpret the music of others, if not in the spaceways. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSub@aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for Keiji Haino cds on TAKUMA label Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:38:41 EST All 8 Haino/Fushitsusha titles are listed at forced Exposure (www.forcedexposure.com). They are usually pretty good at keeping the web site up to date. Jeff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: best of 2000 Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:43:29 -0500 Hello All, Finally I decided to make my own list. The only warning about it is that I got lots of old music this year which I will not include in the list. That's why my list of year 2000 is short and probably not very exciting. (in alphabetical order) Alex Rostotsky/Yuri Parfenov "Oriental Express" (L-Junction Records) (excellent oriental recording made by busy Russian bass player and producer Alex Rostotsky and best Russian brass player and Mediterranean/Indian music expert Yuri Parfenov with the help of several Russian and Indian musicians) Binary System "From The Epicenter" (Atavistic) (Roger Miller on piano, prepared piano and toy piano; Larry Dersch on different drums, percussions and other instruments) Dave Douglas "A Thousand Evenings" (RCA) Einsturzende Neubauten "Silence is Sexy" (Mute) Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos "Muy Divertido!" (Atlantic) Masada "Live in Sevilla 2000" (Tzadik) Medeski Martin & Wood "The Dropper" (Blue Note) Medeski Martin & Wood "Tonic" (Blue Note) Satlah (Tzadik) (better live than on this CD, but the new one (recorded by Jim Anderson live at Tonic) should be released soon) Steam "Real Time" (Atavistic) (Jim Baker - piano, Kent Kessler - bass, Tim Mulvenna - drums and Ken Vandermark - reeds, it is actually the reissue of 1996 release, but the music is really exciting) Tridruga (Love Slave Records) (Yuri Lemeshev - accordion, Brad Shepik - acoustic guitar, Tony Scherr - bass balalaika, beautiful and romantic recording of New York trio, music mostly based on European tradition with some Russian influences) Uri Caine Ensemble "The Goldberg Variations" (Winter & Winter) Vandermark/Drake/McBride "Spaceways Incorporated" (Atavistic) The Vandermark 5 "Burn The Incline" (Atavistic) Various "In His Own Sweet Way - a tribute to Dave Brubeck" (Avant) (seems like album from Great Jewish Music series on Tzadik which was released on Avant for some unknown reason, it includes the best of downtowners circa 1999 from Caine, Coleman, Krakauer and Friedlander to Frisel, Sex Mob, MMW and Pachora) That's all for now, but I'm absolutely sure that the best of 2000 will be changed for me even in the next few months. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Das Junges Brooklyners [was Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER] Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:19:52 -0500 Tom Benton wrote: > Yeah, www.britneybootyspears.com will still be there when > you get back. Damn, it seems to be gone now. Waahhhh! You promised! ;-) > [Steve - I assume the Jazziz review is yours? Sepulchral rumble? I don't > have the energy to lift the dictionary for that one, but if it has > anything to do with Sepultura then rock the fuck on...] Well, what I actually had in mind was a deep and reverberant rumbling, like echoes in a cavern or tomb. But some of the album certainly has a metallic edge to it, so rock on, indeed. > Funny that I don't think I've ever seen it called by name (other than "you > know, Jim Black, all those guys"), but I think there's some really > exciting stuff coming out of the "Brooklyn Scene". Admittedly, like any > other "scene" it's rather difficult to pin down who's in and who's not, > but the general trend seems to be a serious musical omnivorosity (take > that, Mr. Big-Word-Steve) that I for one find very encouraging. Two words: Cuong Vu. Actually, I could offer a lot of other words, too: Matt Moran, John Hollenbeck (though he's actually in Manhattan), Andrew D'Angelo, Oscar Noreiga, Brad Shepik, yadda, yadda, yadda... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - the whirrrrr of my computer... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: rashaanotomo Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:35:51 -0500 so i picked up a couple of the 32jazz rashaan reissues and at some points the bands (especially the horn playing) really remind me of 'ground zero plays standards.' they both do bacharach's 'i say a little prayer', which makes for obvious analogizing, but beyond that, the powersax, the pounding drum. funny the parallels that strike you sometimes. meanwhile, an all black disc fell out of its case. gasp! no scratches, but what is it? no marking, so not a psf, but maybe another haino title? turns out its sunny murray/charles gayle. please tell all the labels, no more all-black or all-white cds. they don't look _that_ cool. it's tired. ok, back to work. np: rashaan roland kirk - dog years in the fourth ring (marveling at coltrane lines being interloped into the bacharach theme now). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otis Wheeler Subject: Re: petsoundscharlietouchandgo Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:52:05 -0500 >I'd KILL to get a copy of the third Capitol album, 'After the >Astronaut.' It was cancelled after review copies were sent out and >was even reviewed in Spin, but I've never seen one of these advance >copies anywhere, even on eBay. If anyone out there is sitting on a >copy they could tape, I'd be your friend for life... I read at some >point on an old and possibly defunct Surfers newsgroup that it might >possibly be released elsewhere in the world, but that doesn't seem >to have happened. I'm looking at it on Napster right now, so that might be your best bet. Otis np: American Primitive Vol. 1: Pre-War Gospel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Brubeck Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:53:07 EST --part1_90.e6265ef.27864ac3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/4/01 3:43:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, shkin@shkin.com writes: > Various "In His Own Sweet Way - a tribute to Dave Brubeck" (Avant) > (seems like album from Great Jewish Music series on Tzadik which was > released on Avant for some unknown reason, it includes the best of > downtowners circa 1999 from Caine, Coleman, Krakauer and Friedlander > to Frisel, Sex Mob, MMW and Pachora) > > I have this but haven't listened to it yet. However, I just finished > reading a Brubeck biography, and could fine no mention at all of his being > Jewish. I had been under the impression also that this disc was from the > Great Jewish Music series - anyone know with more certainty? > > --part1_90.e6265ef.27864ac3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/4/01 3:43:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, shkin@shkin.com
writes:


Various "In His Own Sweet Way - a tribute to Dave Brubeck" (Avant)
(seems like album from Great Jewish Music series on Tzadik which was
released on Avant for some unknown reason, it includes the best of
downtowners circa 1999 from Caine, Coleman, Krakauer and Friedlander
to Frisel, Sex Mob, MMW and Pachora)

I have this but haven't listened to it yet. However, I just finished
reading a Brubeck biography, and could fine no mention at all of his being
Jewish. I had been under the impression also that this disc was from the
Great Jewish Music series - anyone know with more certainty?

Dale.
--part1_90.e6265ef.27864ac3_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert van Heumen" Subject: Re: Kimmo Pohjonen Date: 04 Jan 2001 23:01:38 +0100 i think he has only one release, called kielo, which is ssssssuper... really great accordeon, but far from conventional. ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... ......... ......... ......... ...... ...... ......... ......... ......... ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:01 PM > I haven't heard any Kimmo Pohjonen, but am interested. Do you, Andreas (or > anyone else), have any recommendations as to where to start? > > I had never reckoned the accordion at all until seeing Stian Carstensen and > Guy Kluscevek this year. Unbelievable talents. > > > >From: "Alastair Wilson" > > > > > >Instrument of 2000 > > > > > >The Accordion. Obviously. > > > > if you like this instrument - as I do - you should check out Kimmo > Pohjonen from Finland (if you haven´t before). He´s really fantastic and > unique. > > > > Andreas > > > > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Das Junges Brooklyners [was Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER] Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:10:35 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Steve Smith wrote: > > Yeah, www.britneybootyspears.com will still be there when > > you get back. > > Damn, it seems to be gone now. Waahhhh! You promised! ;-) Chill out. I've got about 39 more video captures from the last six seconds of the 'Satisfaction' video to finish and then it'll be back in business. Patience. Stop being so, um, sepulchral. > Andrew D'Angelo So I was mere moments from asking "Has this guy fallen off the planet or what?" and decided to go check in at allmusic.com and see if he's appeared on anything that's escaped my radar and discovered the following in his bio: "D'Angelo's Squawnk trio, featuring Ben Street on bass and Jeff Ballard on drums, released its debut CD in 2000 on the Lyceum label, which D'Angelo formed in partnership with Curtis Hasselbring. Lyceum also plans to release a three-volume collection of D'Angelo's chamber works, featuring Dave Douglas, Andy Laster, Brad Shepik and many others." Anyone have any idea what's up Lyceum? A quick search of the web reveals absolutely zilch. Savy marketers, those boys... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Das Junges Brooklyners [was Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER] Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:15:11 EST In a message dated Thu, 4 Jan 2001 4:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve Smith writes: > > exciting stuff coming out of the "Brooklyn Scene". > > Admittedly, like any other "scene" it's rather > > difficult to pin down who's in and who's not, > > Two words: Cuong Vu. > > Actually, I could offer a lot of other words, too: > Matt Moran, John Hollenbeck (though he's actually in > Manhattan), Andrew D'Angelo, Oscar Noreiga, Brad > Shepik, yadda, yadda, yadda... Sylvie Courvoisier, Mark Feldman... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: surprise of the day Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:18:05 -0500 #56 in the just-released VH1 poll of top 100 rock albums of all time? "Trans- Europe Express" by Kraftwerk. Other examples of rock artists, according to the list, are bob marley, parliament and miles davis. wow, i'm a bigger rock fan than i thought. if you're feeling interested, write me and i'll send you the list. kg np: more rashaan, who did not make the list. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: Autro Brooklynitos Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:32:33 -0500 How dee > Two words: Cuong Vu. > > Actually, I could offer a lot of other words, too: Matt Moran, John > Hollenbeck (though he's actually in Manhattan), Andrew D'Angelo, Oscar > Noreiga, Brad Shepik, yadda, yadda, yadda... Before this discussion, I wasn't really aware that Black, Saft, Speed, and the others you mention above were Brooklyn based. I have my own notion of the brooklyn scene which is a different circle of folks, thought I would mention it as a contrast, and would be interested in other bklyn contingents people know of. It's intersting to see how different individual perspectives are on how a given "scene" (Brooklyn or otherwise) is defined. So here is what I think of when I hear "brooklyn scene"... - Chocolate Genius (Marc Anthony Thompson), whose featured Oren Bloedow, Danny Blume and Brandon Ross in his band at Broooklyn Academy of Music - Harriet Tubman (Ross, Melvin Gibbs, and JT Lewis (whose actually from Queens)). - Elysian Fields, Oren Bloedow and Jennifer Charles - Elysian co-horts: Danny Blume, Ben Perowsky (Liminal), and their studio www.goodandevil.net This circle bleeds into the one previously discussed, as Chris Speed plays with Ben Perowsky's trio, Jamie Saft is invovled with a godandevil project called LomO... They just weren't the first people I thought of, probably because I've seen them more in Manhattan at Tonic and the like. Anyone know if these folks play in brooklyn at all? Always on the lookout for happening brooklyn venues... Pardon the rant, blabbing about my favorite borough is too much fun... Now what about the Staten Island scene - that's a tough one ;-). Vernon Reid and Guy Kluscevek are the only one I can think of, and they always play in Manhattan... There's also a strange surf-rock cover band, but I digress... JM NP - Davey Williams and Numb Right Thumb - Texas Was Delicious - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: spaceways inc. Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:40:15 EST One of my favorite releases of the year. As someone said earlier, this is an album of contrasts: the songs range from very slow and sweet (first and last Sun Ra tracks in particular) to all-out funkitude. I always turn up the volume high to hear the quiet first track (Sun Ra's Tapestry From an Asteroid") and then am blown away from the loud and funky second track (Funkadelic's "Alice in My Fantasies"/"Cosmic Slop"). I urge you to check this album out, particularly if you're not familiar with Vandermark. The newest Vandermark 5 album 'Burn the Incline' is also really good, but not as accessible as 'Spaceways Inc.' Ken Vandermark is a monster, and i'm very glad to have discovered his music this year. By my count, he was on 11 albums released in 2000, but i'm probably missing a few. At this rate, he might even challenge David Murray's discography. jeff caltabiano n.p. frank lowe: black beings (1973) w/ joseph jarman and wm parker - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: bley peacock synthesizer show Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:42:42 -0500 http://www.borderlinebooks.com/uk6070s/b9z.html I noticed a listing for this duo in the psych guide "Tapestry of Delights" and was wondering if anybody had heard either album. Psych? Experimental? Electronic? Thanks, Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Das Junges Brooklyners [was Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER] Date: 04 Jan 2001 18:10:33 -0500 DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > > Two words: Cuong Vu. > > > > Actually, I could offer a lot of other words, too: > Matt Moran, John > Hollenbeck (though he's actually in > > Manhattan), Andrew D'Angelo, Oscar Noreiga, Brad > Shepik, yadda, yadda, > yadda... > > Sylvie Courvoisier, Mark Feldman... A worthy addition, to be sure (not to mention a happily married couple since last August). But to be honest, the "Brooklyn Scene" that I was aiming to "package," for lack of a better term, is the whole late 20s-early 30s posse that arrived here in the late '80s and early '90s, many of them freshly minted from the New England Conservatory. Even though he's slightly older, I think Matt Darriau might be another figure worth including. Interestingly, not only have they all lived in Brooklyn at one time or another, but most of them even lived together in the same house at some point or another. If we open up the Brooklyn scene to everyone who lives there, we'd have a long, long list to compile, starting with Cecil Taylor in Fort Greene and including Tim Berne, Dave Douglas, Mat Maneri, Susie Ibarra and countless others. Of course, now that prices in Brooklyn are beginning to rival those in Manhattan, I'm starting to see more and more people out here in the Long Island City area of Queens (including Ingrid Jensen and Jason Lindner). Glad I got here before the prices started climbing (and they have, just last year). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Keith Yaun Quartet, "La ville qui dormait, toi," 'Amen: Improvisations on Messiaen' (Boxholder) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Das Junges Brooklyners [was Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER] Date: 04 Jan 2001 18:21:45 -0500 Tom Benton wrote: > > Andrew D'Angelo > > So I was mere moments from asking "Has this guy fallen off the planet or > what?" and decided to go check in at allmusic.com and see if he's appeared > on anything that's escaped my radar and discovered the following in his > bio: > > "D'Angelo's Squawnk trio, featuring Ben Street on bass and Jeff Ballard on > drums, released its debut CD in 2000 on the Lyceum label, which D'Angelo > formed in partnership with Curtis Hasselbring. Lyceum also plans to > release a three-volume collection of D'Angelo's chamber works, featuring > Dave Douglas, Andy Laster, Brad Shepik and many others." > > Anyone have any idea what's up Lyceum? A quick search of the web reveals > absolutely zilch. Savy marketers, those boys... It's pretty much dead in the water at the moment. D'Angelo and Curtis Hasselbring had planned to get it started last year, but so far nothing. Andrew is one of the bunch of musicians for whom I recently wrote an entry for the next edition of the New Grove Dictionary of Jazz, so I was able to get all caught up on what he's been up to. He's been playing with his group Squawnk for a while now - the personnel has recently changed, probably becaure Ballard's gotten too busy with Chick Corea. I don't remember the names of the new rhythm section - they're no one I'd ever heard of, but Andrew was highly enthusiastic about them ("and they're YOUNG!" he says). He's actually playing tonight at Detour with that band. Other than that, he's been playing regularly with Matt Wilson (though he's not in Wilson's newest group), and he just sent the CD-Rs of the chamber music to CRI at my suggestion... oooh, I'm *such* an insider... ;-) Otherwise, according to him, he spends his spare time restoring brownstones, building lamps and programming websites. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Keith Yaun Quartet, "Amen de la creation," 'Amen: Improvisations on Messiaen' (Boxholder) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: Current 93 Date: 04 Jan 2001 18:36:00 -0500 MEEP! JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: >if you're interested in the wild sound collage side of Current 93, I'd highly >recommend exploring the world of Steven Stapleton, aka Nurse With Wound. >where to start? To be honest, it's probably safer to find somebody who owns a pile of Stapleton's discs and simply ask them to pick a random track or two from their six favourites. To date, I've only been able to convince myself to buy "Sylvie and Babs" and "Who Can I Turn To Stereo", but both strike me as being perfectly good examples of what happens when you take a lot of records and then feed them all into the Acoustimat Blenderizer. >if you're interested in the overwrought goth singer/songwriter side of C93, >I'm the wrong guy to ask "Dog's Blood Rising" is the traditional recommendation, and I can't really argue with it. For a bit of a latter-day antidote to its old-time scariness, though, I'd also suggest either the "I Have a Special Plan for this World" EP or "Soft Black Stars"... the Thomas Ligotti influence has done a lot to help Tibet's sound along into less predictable waters, though the melodrama is still out in force. And heck, if somebody is just looking to get a feel for the World Serpent thing in the first place, I guess it couldn't hurt to check out the "Foxtrot" or "Terra Serpentes" comps that were released a couple of years ago... both include at least one track by each of the abovementioned acts, as well as a couple of other productive joinings of their respective talents with other peoples'. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: bley peacock synthesizer show Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:48:41 -0800 Lang Thompson wrote: > > http://www.borderlinebooks.com/uk6070s/b9z.html > > I noticed a listing for this duo in the psych guide "Tapestry of Delights" > and was wondering if anybody had heard either album. Psych? Experimental? > Electronic? I've not heard those two but I have the first (70 or 71), _The Paul Bley Synthesizer Show_, and really, I'd only describe it as "jazz played with a monophonic synthesizer" -- fairly inside jazz, at that, not even as outside as, say, his ESP or early ECM stuff. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Clarkson Subject: Emergency - Byard Lancaster Date: 04 Jan 2001 23:53:25 +0000 > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:06:58 -0100 > From: "Margaret Davis" >Subject: Re: EMERGENCY: BYARD LANCASTER > >Dear Music Lovers, > > T H I S I S A N E M E R G E N C Y N >O >T I C E > > The great musician, educator, & music~community leader BYARD >LANCASTER >has been ARRESTED in Philadelphia, where he lives, charged with PLAYING >MUSIC ON THE STREET, & has been ordered to appear on Thursday, January 11, >'O1 at 8 a.m. in courtroom #4O4 of the Criminal Justice Bldg., 13th & >Filbert St's. He faces a possible jail sentence of up to 9O days (in a sad >little fax postscript that says it all, he added, "...without my Sax...") >&/ >or a possible penalty of $4OO. > On separate occasions, BYARD LANCASTER has played for both Bill >Clinton >& George Bush, as well as three Prime Ministers of Jamaica, W.I. During >his >distinguished career, he has taught in schools & arts institutions in >Chicago, Jamaica (W.I.), Massachusetts (Berklee College & Harvard U.), >Minnesota, New Mexico, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Rhode Island (Brown U.), & >many other places; he has recorded &/ or played with FELA ANIKULAPO~KUTI/ >JAMES BALDWIN/ KENNY CLARKE/ JOHN COLTRANE/ JOHNNY COPELAND/ BILL DIXON/ >ABDULLAH IBRAHIM (DOLLAR BRAND)/ RONALD SHANNON JACKSON/ KHAN JAMAL/ LEROY >JENKINS/ "PHILLY" JOE JONES/ RAHSAAN ROLAND KIRK/ BILL LASWELL/ HERBIE >MANN/ >LEE MORGAN/ SUNNY MURRAY/ ODEAN POPE/ SUN RA/ SAM RIVERS/ SONNY SHARROCK/ >JAMAALADEEN TACUMA/ McCOY TYNER/ BARBARA WALKER, & many more; he has >toured, >played, & recorded in Amsterdam, Atlanta, Berlin, Boston, Brussels, >Chicago, >Frankfurt, Kingston (Jamaica), Lagos (Nigeria), London, Madrid, >Minneapolis, >Montreal, Nashville, New York, Nimes, Paris, Vienna, Washington (D.C.), >Zurich, & many places in between; & amidst all this, he has also found the >time & strength to write & publish two books on his music & philosophy. You >can read more about his illustrious career at his Web site: >www.cyberenet.net/~kbillert/byard.html . BYARD LANCASTER should be >appointed >Ambassador of Inspiration ~ not thrown into jail. > PLEASE HELP WITH BYARD LANCASTER's LEGAL DEFENSE!! If you are in >Philadelphia or can get there on Thurs., Jan. 11th, please attend the >hearing, as he feels it is important that the courtroom be packed. Whether >you can attend or not, please send a letter or fax of support (preferably >on >letterhead) to his defense attorney, Jules Epstein, Esq., KAIRY RUDOVSKY >EPSTEIN MESSING & RAU, LLP, 924 Cherry St., suite 5OO, Phildelphia, PA >191O7, phone (215) 925~44OO, fax ~5365; if you have any credentials of your >own that might impress a judge, please indicate them. Or you can fax BYARD >LANCASTER at (215) 842~134O or Email him at byardjazz@aol.com. > >Thank you for helping. > >Margaret Davis, Editor & Publisher, >"Art Attack!," >the newsletter for & about liberation musicians in NYC, >on the Web at >http://www.jazznewyork.org . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: Current 93 Date: 04 Jan 2001 21:13:00 -0500 To the Current 93 debate, I would add: On recent Wire cds, there have been excellent Current 93 tracks (on "Brain in the Wire") and Nurse with Wound (on Wire Tapper 6). If I'm not mistaken, both are unavailable elsewhere (completists indeed...) and the NWW track is quite crazed. I'm a fan of Current 93's doomfolk stuff, but I'm also a Shirley Collins fan. Tibet put out 2 compilations of her and her sister Dolly. These records, and pretty much any other by them, get straight to the core of what I think Current 93're trying to do. While the "English Folk" of the Collins's are pretty and her voice is heartbreaking, there is an essential resignation the whole affair that I find quite enchanting and lovely. but it ain't for everyone. Just bought Aisha Kandisha's Jarring Effects's "Shabeesation"...anyone here have the supposedly superior first album? matt Taylor McLaren wrote: > MEEP! JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >if you're interested in the wild sound collage side of Current 93, I'd > highly > >recommend exploring the world of Steven Stapleton, aka Nurse With Wound. > >where to start? > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Emergency - Byard Lancaster Date: 04 Jan 2001 22:30:46 EST In a message dated 1/4/01 6:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk writes: << > The great musician, educator, & music~community leader BYARD >LANCASTER >has been ARRESTED in Philadelphia, where he lives, charged with PLAYING >MUSIC ON THE STREET >> I didn't even know you could be charged with something like--so many people seem to appreciate street musicians (as long as they're entertaining which i'm sure is the case here). Guess i'll have to keep my outdoor practice to a minimum. ~eriedell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Das Junges Brooklyners [was Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER] Date: 04 Jan 2001 23:31:01 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Steve Smith wrote: > But to be honest, the "Brooklyn Scene" that I was aiming to > "package," for lack of a better term, is the whole late 20s-early 30s posse > that arrived here in the late '80s and early '90s, many of them freshly minted > from the New England Conservatory. And, before that, from Seattle in many cases: Speed, Black, Shepik, Vu, D'Angelo, as well as Briggan Krauss, Aaron Alexander, and Michael Sarin. > Interestingly, not only have they all lived in Brooklyn at one time or > another, but most of them even lived together in the same house at some > point or another. A friend of mine once told me a story about getting a tour of Brooklyn from, if I recall correctly, one of the trumpets from the Either/Orchestra. At one point, his guide remarked, without further explanation, "And that used to be the Human Feel house." oh, to have been a fly on the wall at that place... Steve - ever get the feeling you might be writing a book about this shit one day? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jaakko Vähänen" Subject: Re: Kimmo Pohjonen Date: 05 Jan 2001 07:50:11 hi, for those who are interested, there are some samples from his first and so far only solo album "Kielo" at http://www.musicfinland.com/arctic/listen.html Jaska >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:01:38 +0100 >From: "Robert van Heumen" >Subject: Re: Kimmo Pohjonen > >i think he has only one release, called kielo, which is ssssssuper... > >really >great accordeon, but far from conventional. > > ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... > > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Alastair Wilson >To: Andreas Dietz ; >list@lists.xmission.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:01 PM >Subject: Kimmo Pohjonen > > >>I haven't heard any Kimmo Pohjonen, but am interested. Do you, >>Andreas >>(or >>anyone else), have any recommendations as to where to start? >> >>I had never reckoned the accordion at all until seeing Stian >>Carstensen >>and >>Guy Kluscevek this year. Unbelievable talents. >> >> > >From: "Alastair Wilson" >> > > >> > >Instrument of 2000 >> > > >> > >The Accordion. Obviously. >> > >> > if you like this instrument - as I do - you should check out Kimmo >>Pohjonen from Finland (if you haven´t before). He´s really fantastic >and >>unique. >> > >> > Andreas >> > >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: all-black labels arrghh Date: 05 Jan 2001 11:30:33 EST In a message dated 1/4/01 6:18:03 PM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << meanwhile, an all black disc fell out of its case. gasp! no scratches, but what is it? no marking, so not a psf, but maybe another haino title? turns out its sunny murray/charles gayle. please tell all the labels, no more all-black or all-white cds. they don't look _that_ cool. it's tired. >> no, not a racial reference... hell even the pretty multicolred colored ones can be confusing. all i can do these days is try to keep the cases right next to the player, and if necessary, read the serial numbers inside, and if that doesnt help, see if the # of tracks correspods to a lonely empty box, or sleeve, or... steve koenig n.p. braxton pno qt live knit v2 (leo) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nyc/free marion brown & guntr hampel Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:05:27 EST dear friends, gunter hampel just sent me the following: upcoming NEW YORK CONCERT : FREE ADMISSION !!!!!!!!!! january 1o wednesday , 2,3o PM 2001 at MANHATTANVILLE HEALTH CARE CENTER , 311 w 231 ST. sTREET , rIVERDALE = subway 1 + 9 to 231./BROADWAY , walk west MARION BROWN/GUNTER HAMPEL DUO FOR MORE info S WRITE GuntHampel@aol.com and visit www.gunterhampelmusic.de , look under GEMINI,Birth CD o37 yrs steve koenig n.p. marion brown/gunter hampel : 'reeds n vibes' on paul bley's iai records (just got for $6 from cybermusicsurplus.com) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: brooklyn venues Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:17:35 EST << Always on the lookout for happening brooklyn venues... >> heloo fellow breukelnite, there are two places of notice. one is called 'up above jazz' on the corner of flatburn and 7th ave, right above the d train seventh avenue (brooklyn) stop. i havent been there yet but theyve had great folks. also the brooklyn acad of music has BAM CAFE with no cover or minimum... folks like fred ho, chris jonas, other fine folks played there havent yet been to ahmed abdullah's sistah's place (dunno if curating or owning) whatever one thinks about the to-do about the tales of his trying to co-opt the name of sun ra ark from sunny's family, taking it away from marshall allen. here's from their press release: Sistas' Place, a coffee house where culture is served along with croissants, cakes and teas, and Sunday Dunch (a combo of dinner and lunch) is located in the Bed-Stuy section of Brooklyn at 456 Nostrand Avenue. The entrance is on Jefferson Avenue, around the corner from Nostrand. For further information and reservations call (718) 398-1766. !n the coming weeks: Saturday-January 6/01- the Andrew Lamb Ensemble Sunday-January 7/01-Jazzoetry Saturday- January 13-Benny Powell in an open rehearsal(@7PM) and concert at 9 and 10:30PM Sunday January 14- Sistas' Place and the Central Brooklyn Jazz Consortium and Festival celebrate the music and life of Cal Massey w/Harry Constant directing the I.S. 55 Bluenotes from 2-5PM Saturday- January 20-vocalist Karen Taylor and trio Sunday- January 21- Jazz Videos and Indie Films - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: all-black labels arrghh Date: 05 Jan 2001 11:41:56 -0500 On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:30:33AM -0500, Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > n.p. braxton pno qt live knit v2 (leo) How is Braxton's piano work? n.p. Marion Brown: Afternoon of a Georgia Fawn -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Catching up Date: 05 Jan 2001 11:29:13 -0600 If digests came less often I'd maybe read them more often, but I just don't have the time. These three items seem like they may still be relevant: Staten Island scene? In addition to Reid & Klucevsek, don't leave out trombonist composer Peter Zummo, and Phill Niblock taught (photography, not music) at the City college campus there long enough to retire a year or two ago. & the Snug Harbor Cultural Center at least USED to program some interesting music from time to time. Lutoslawski: There's a wonderful six LP (never released on CD as far as I know) of the composer conducting what I think is all of the orchestral works through Mi Parti (1976). I have it on German EMI & I like it enough that I never bothered to buy the same works on CD (Symphonies 3 & 4, Chaine, and something else, I think, were written after this was released). >does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell: > >ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988) > Downtown Music Gallery has had it. I've just given it a cursory listen & it seems like good live stuff, but I couldn't say more for now. Zerx has at least one other, live solo CD by Deane which I like pretty well; not as produced as the Victo solo or the old Ear-Rational three-way disc with Jeff Greinke & what must be the only thing by Art Zoyd that I own. -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Year-end list Date: 05 Jan 2001 11:28:20 -0600 I haven't done one of these in a while, but after learning about a lot of things I hadn't heard yet while reading so many lists here from the last few weeks, I figure the music that mattered to me last year is probably different enough so that posting it might be worth while to somebody. So here's today's take on the CDs that mattered to me from last year (technically, a couple of these may have been released in late 1999) in alphabetical order: Robert Ashley: Dust Lovely Music Anthony Braxton: 4 Compositions (Washington) Braxton House John Butcher & Phil Durrant: Requests & Antisongs Erstwhile Maria de Alvear: World World Editions Mark Dresser: Marinade Tzadik Morton Feldman: Triadic Memories (Louis Goldstein) Offseason Morton Feldman: Violin & Piano Mode Ellen Fullman: Change of Direction New Albion Jean-Luc Godard: Histoire(s) du Cinema ECM Milford Graves: Stories Tzadik Bernard Gunther: brown, blue, brown on blue Trente Oiseaux Lou Harrison: Labrynth Hat Gerry Hemingway: Chamber Works Tzadik Earl Howard/Denman Maroney: Firesong Erstwhile Le Quan Ninh / Gunther Muller: La voyelle liquide Erstwhile Joelle Leandre Project Leo Thomas Lehn: Feldstarken Random Acoustic Olivier Messiaen: 20 Regards (Pierre-Laurent Aimard) Teldec MIMEO: Electric Chair & Table Grob Ikue Mori: 100 Aspects of the Moon Tzadik Conlon Nancarrow: Lost Works, Last Works Other Minds Pauline Oliveros: Primodial Lift TotE Roger Reynolds: Arditti Quartet Montaigne Steve Peters: In Memory of the 4 Winds Arnold Schoenberg: Complete Piano Music (Pi-hsien Cheng) Hat John Schott: Shuffle Play New World Wadada Leo Smith: Reflectativity Tzadik Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann: Schnee Erstwhile Lois V Vierk: River Beneath the River Tzadik Iannis Xenakis: Piano Music (Aki Takahashi) Mode John Zorn: Xu Feng Tzadik Reissues Steve Beresford: Bath of Surprise Amoeba Anthony Braxton: For Alto Delmark Iskra 1903: Chapter 1 Emanem Paul Jacobs: The Legendary Busoni Recordings + Etudes, etc Arbiter Tom Johnson: Hour for Piano Lovely Music Francisco Lopez: Temizlemek Linnea Alternativa Gustav Mahler: various works conducted by Jascha Horenstein BBC, Unicorn, Music & Arts Gordon Mumma: Studio Restrospect Lovely Music Terry Riley: The Gift Organ of Corti -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Autro Brooklynitos Date: 05 Jan 2001 12:37:10 -0600 (CST) Jim McLoughlin wrote... > > So here is what I think of when I hear "brooklyn scene"... > ..... > - - Chocolate Genius (Marc Anthony Thompson), whose featured Oren > Bloedow, Danny Blume and Brandon Ross in his band at Broooklyn Academy > of Music > Or, on Sessions at West 54th, Marc Ribot and Jamie Saft (as well as a rhythm section I didn't recognize). I doubt anyone would object to the groups you cite comprising a "scene" of some kind, just a slightly different (if somewhat overlapping) one from the Black/Speed crew that Steve and I have been rambling on about. The latter falling fairly solidly under the "downtown" jazz (or whatever) umbrella (that is, when they're not playing Balkan music or drum'n'bass or...well, shit). Whereas the former (with the exception of Harriet Tubman) seem to come out of what I guess I'll call an adventurous "songwriting" tradition. Feel kind of like I might be making backwards progress here - and no one's even mentioned alt.coffee yet. Are you still on the list, Mr. Moran? Decloak and tell us all to shut up or something... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: rumormongering Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:19:48 -0500 way i hear it, if the knit doesn't pay off some serious bills and show a positive bank account by the end of this month, they're set to close the nyc club. hollywood, however, is apparently turning a profit. this coming from, well, a pretty good source, but i cannot attest to verity. anyone else hearing anything else? np: rashaan roland kirk - dog years in the fourth ring (disc 2) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: OT - cd burner help Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:28:05 EST sorry for the off-topic post, but i know some of you can supply me with the right information. please respond privately, though. i know it's been discussed here before, but naturally, since it didn't apply to me then, i didn't pay too close attention. i'd like to buy a cd burner, and would like input from the ground up. cd-r vs. cd-rw. pros and cons to each. any applicable software for burning cd to cd, or mp3 to cd etc. or anything at all that you think might help me in this purchase and it's use. thanks in advance. dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: Autro Brooklynitos Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:43:35 -0500 Hi Tom Benton says... > I doubt anyone would object to the groups you cite comprising a > "scene" of some kind, just a slightly different (if somewhat > overlapping) one from the Black/Speed crew that Steve and I have > been rambling on about. The latter falling fairly solidly > under the "downtown" jazz (or whatever) umbrella (that is, when they're > not playing Balkan music or drum'n'bass or...well, shit). Whereas the > former (with the exception of Harriet Tubman) seem to come out of what I > guess I'll call an adventurous "songwriting" tradition. I would agree that the folks I mention are more oriented towards song writing or poppier forms (Bloewdow, Liminal's drum'n'bass), though Bloedow has spent time as guitarists in the lounge lizards, Blume plays with Uri Caine and DJ Olive, and Perowsky is all over the downtown scene with Dave Douglas, Zorn, Ribot, Medeski, etc. I wasn't objecting to your and Steve's definition of the scene, just wanted to provide a different angle. There are probably other circles of players we're both overlooking (maybe they are more traditional jazz). My perspective comes from who I've scene play in brooklyn, which doesn't include the Black/Speed crew. Not that there are many options - other than the 3 steve koenig mentioned, I have only scene things in more irregular venues - one time loft/street parties, etc. (thanks Steve - I was aware of those 3, and was looking for other places where some of these folks might jam at after hours, if any). Anyway, I'll shut up before we completely disembowel this NYCentric dead horse... JM NP - Elliot Sharp's Terraplane: Blues for Next (speaking of drum and bass, Sim Cain lays down some wicked d'n'b beats on CD 2 of this record). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Lankin" Subject: Re: Zony Mash w/Frisell & Holcomb - 1/6/01 Seattle Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:09:11 -0500 Glad to hear that Robin Holcomb will be recording a new album. Does anyone know what label it will be on? Thanks, Alan Lankin lankina@att.net http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSub@aol.com Subject: Re: surprise of the day Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:57:43 EST >>"Trans-Europe Express" by Kraftwerk. Other examples >>of rock artists, according to the list, are bob >>marley, parliament and miles davis. wow, i'm a bigger >>rock fan than i thought I'm glad to see the diversity in the list. It reminds me of the book by Chuck Eddy, "Stairway to Hell: the 500 greatest heavy metal albums" that included similar artists. His argument was that while some were not technically heavy metal in style, they could appeal to metal fans. Its the same with the R&R Hall of Fame, would you really exclude James Brown cause he's not technically r'n'r? (As a side note, it is a shame Black Sabbath has been excluded so far) Any way, Parliment was a rock band. Jeff Jeff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: RE: Autro Brooklynitos Date: 05 Jan 2001 15:09:10 EST In a message dated Fri, 5 Jan 2001 2:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jim McLoughlin" writes: >There are probably other circles of players >we're both overlooking (maybe they are more >traditional jazz). Well, there's Steve Coleman's M-base folks (originally including Greg Osby, Geri Allen, Cassandra Wilson et al) - are they still Brooklyn-based? And how about a tip of the porkpie hat to what would have been my father's Brooklyn jazz scene (if he'd been hip to his neighbors) - the Brownsville beboppers Tiny Kahn, Sonny Berman, Red Rodney, I think Terry Gibbs, maybe Al Cohn, others - not all born but at some point in the '40s based there. Have only heard bits of the story (and forgotten most of those), would love to learn more. (Note - this was also maybe the original radical *Jewish* jazz scene, so perhaps does not stray too far from Zornish interests.) David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Ex-Officio Brooklynites [was Re: Autro Brooklynitos] Date: 05 Jan 2001 15:56:05 -0500 DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > Well, there's Steve Coleman's M-base folks (originally including Greg Osby, > Geri Allen, Cassandra Wilson et al) - are they still Brooklyn-based? Greg might be. Geri is in Montclair, NJ (with husband Wallace Roney, Oliver Lake and numerous others - it's turning into yet another suburban music enclave), Cassandra is in Manhattan, and Coleman lived in Allentown, PA for many years before moving to Oakland, where he teaches at one of the schools in the Bay Area. Last I heard he was getting ready to spend a serious chunk of time in India. Of other M-Basers, Kelvyn Bell is in Manhattan, David Gilmore is still in Brooklyn as far as I know, and new Coleman protege Ravi Coltrane just moved there. I think Jean-Paul Bourelly is in Europe. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Current 93 Date: 05 Jan 2001 13:52:53 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ben Axelrad > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:05 AM > I remember someone on this list mentioning that s/he was a Current 93 > completist. I have Christ and the Pale Queens and want to buy 2 > more. Can > you or anyone else offer any suggestions? or of any similar artists, etc? Probably off-topic -- I can't think of anyone connected to Tibet that has even one degree of separation from Zorn, though there must be someone (maybe Charlemagne Palestine?) -- but here goes: As already written before, Current 93 has two fairly distinct phases in its/his musical development; "Christ and the Pale Queens Mighty in Sorrow" kind of represents something in between the two. Most C93 fans would probably steer you toward "Dogs Blood Rising," the masterpiece from C93's early period -- demented choirs, loops of industrial noise, Crowley-influenced lyrics, and Tibet's eerie declamations over it all. As for his (stupidly-named) "apocalyptic folk" phase -- and yes, much of it is half-Comus's "First Utterance," half-The Incredible String Band's "The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" -- the general favorite seems to be "Thunder Perfect Mind." I hugely prefer "All the Pretty Horses" instead, which marks his first collaboration with horror writer Thomas Ligotti. (Tibet's recent work is somewhat too stripped down for my taste; much of the time is just him accompanied by piano or harmonium. And if his voice and poet-starving-in-a-garret lyrics can be a little irksome, well, his latest work amplifies those even more.) Later, Ben np: "the later lounge 2" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Current 93 Date: 05 Jan 2001 17:00:38 EST In a message dated 1/5/01 4:50:26 PM, sunny70@sirius.com writes: << I can't think of anyone connected to Tibet that has even one degree of separation from Zorn, though there must be someone (maybe Charlemagne Palestine?) >> Nurse With Wound, as I recall, was one of the very few non-Tzadik artists that Zorn suggested be placed in his new "experimental" section in major record stores, a topic discussed in depth at the time here. did anything ever result from that pamphlet/mini-manifesto that Zorn released? anyone see any experimental sections crop up in record stores because of it? just curious, I don't expect that it did. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Gatzen Subject: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:50:30 -0800 (PST) anyone here use it? if so does anyone know what is the best way to take a 90 minute show and split up each tune into mp3s instead of having one huge mp3 for the whole show??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 05 Jan 2001 17:11:18 -0500 On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 02:50:30PM -0800, Tom Gatzen wrote: > anyone here use it? if so does anyone know what is the > best way to take a 90 minute show and split up each > tune into mp3s instead of having one huge mp3 for the > whole show??? I use it a lot -- most of the MP3s at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ were edited with CoolEdit (though mostly converted with MusicMatch). Editing a show is a painstaking process, and I don't know of much of a shortcut if you want to do it well. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: braxton pno Date: 05 Jan 2001 18:13:35 EST In a message dated 1/5/01 1:24:47 PM, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: How is Braxton's piano work? << On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:30:33AM -0500, Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > n.p. braxton pno qt live knit v2 (leo) hi joseph well, marty ehrlich takes over the horn duties with aplomb. i reeally enjoy t rbax's piano, but you can only do that it you expect it to be nothing like his horn stuff. sometimes it seems he's only comping, but other times he goes off freeflight, not at all like cecil, but i have to listen more to think to whom i might compare him. although these are all standards, sometimes they overlap much as braxton's own compositions do. long takes, most 15-20m. yrs steve n.p.: lea delaria: box lunch - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pak Subject: zorn sheet music Date: 05 Jan 2001 15:26:23 -0800 (PST) hello everyone...just returned from new york and i got to see bar kokbha and sex mob at tonic...the show was incredible...jz joined sex mob for some serious skronking...after the bar kokbha set, i asked mr. zorn where i could obtain some of his sheet music...he just shrugged and smiled...so i am wondering if anyone of the z-list knows of anyplace where i can get any zorn sheet music...thanks in advance! pak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 06 Jan 2001 13:01:19 +1100 > I use it a lot -- most of the MP3s at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ > were edited with CoolEdit (though mostly converted with MusicMatch). > Editing a show is a painstaking process, and I don't know of much of a > shortcut if you want to do it well. Can't you just reopen CoolEdit (ie have two open), then cut from one and paste in the other? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 05 Jan 2001 21:12:06 -0500 On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:01:19PM +1100, Julian wrote: > > I use it a lot -- most of the MP3s at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ > > were edited with CoolEdit (though mostly converted with MusicMatch). > > Editing a show is a painstaking process, and I don't know of much of a > > shortcut if you want to do it well. > > Can't you just reopen CoolEdit (ie have two open), then cut from one and > paste in the other? Well, yes. The challenge is finding appropriate points at which to cut, especially if you want to be able to load up the MP3s in order and listen to the entire show without interruption. That's both an aesthetic and technological challenge, and takes up most of the time of splitting the show. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 06 Jan 2001 13:55:54 +1100 > Well, yes. The challenge is finding appropriate points at which to cut, > especially if you want to be able to load up the MP3s in order and > listen to the entire show without interruption. That's both an aesthetic > and technological challenge, and takes up most of the time of splitting > the show. Well, the best place is nearly always the beginning of the piece... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 05 Jan 2001 21:25:03 -0500 On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:55:54PM +1100, Julian wrote: > > Well, yes. The challenge is finding appropriate points at which to cut, > > especially if you want to be able to load up the MP3s in order and > > listen to the entire show without interruption. That's both an aesthetic > > and technological challenge, and takes up most of the time of splitting > > the show. > > Well, the best place is nearly always the beginning of the piece... Well, yes. But "the beginning" is often a challenge to find, depending on the background noise, the attack of the first sound, whether the piece has flowed continuously from the previous one, etc. Like many such things, it seems trivial until you actually try to do it well. (I will now go back to worrying whether there is a hyphen in "anal[ -]retentive".) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Re: zorn sheet music Date: 05 Jan 2001 22:08:30 -0600 i used to ask this question a lot. (not to zorn himself) and then gave up and just decided to transcribe by ear. maybe that's why he's smiling, because he wants people to work for it or not play it at all. sounds like a great show, anyway;) -samuel hello everyone...just returned from new york and i got to see bar kokbha and sex mob at tonic...the show was incredible...jz joined sex mob for some serious skronking...after the bar kokbha set, i asked mr. zorn where i could obtain some of his sheet music...he just shrugged and smiled...so i am wondering if anyone of the z-list knows of anyplace where i can get any zorn sheet music...thanks in advance! pak _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: rumormongering Date: 05 Jan 2001 20:48:35 -0800 >>>hollywood, however, is apparently turning a profit.<<< http://www.hrdeluxe.com/nyeve2000.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Fred Lane Date: 05 Jan 2001 23:53:39 -0500 Considering the discussion recently I thought some of you might be interested in this article about Tim/Fred. http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/life/features/stories/010105lf1.html Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: RE: Current 93 Date: 05 Jan 2001 21:11:18 -0800 (PST) On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Benito Vergara wrote: > Probably off-topic -- I can't think of anyone connected to Tibet that has > even one degree of separation from Zorn, though there must be someone (maybe > Charlemagne Palestine?) -- but here goes: current 93 did play at tonic last year... > Perfect Mind." I hugely prefer "All the Pretty Horses" instead, which marks same here. > his first collaboration with horror writer Thomas Ligotti. (Tibet's recent > work is somewhat too stripped down for my taste; much of the time is just > him accompanied by piano or harmonium. And if his voice and > poet-starving-in-a-garret lyrics can be a little irksome, well, his latest > work amplifies those even more.) well, i wouldn't be so quick to lump his latest work in that category. faust is neither of those things. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Current 93 Date: 06 Jan 2001 00:19:19 -0500 >did anything ever result from that pamphlet/mini-manifesto that Zorn >released? anyone see any experimental sections crop up in record stores >because of it? just curious, I don't expect that it did. The Tower Records here had an experimental section that started about that time or perhaps a tad earlier. It had all the Tzadik separated out, along with FMP, Incus, Knitting Factory and related, all of course priced quite high (one reason I never shop there, along with a general disinterest in any inventory beyond the obvious). But it appears to be gone now. I've been told that each store is fairly autonomous in their ordering and layout/marketing so this may have just been the result of an interested employee. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Cecil Taylor interview Date: 06 Jan 2001 08:49:31 -0500 Greetings, In the latest issue of Perfect Sound Forever , you'll find (among other things): CECIL TAYLOR Interview- need we say more? Well, OK, we should. After celebrating his 70th birthday and over forty years as an artist, one of the most revolutionary musicians of the last century reflects on this work. MAGMA An interview with leader Christian Vander, coinciding with their first New York shows in over a quarter of a century. Also sordid tales about unwittingly becoming Magma's manager and translations problems that transcend the Kobaian tongue We're always looking for good writers and/or ideas so let us know if you have anything to share. See you online, Jason I'm having some problems with my mail server My apologies if your message to me gets bounced back with an error If that happens, please e-mail me again Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: TYRING BROOKLIN SCENE Date: 06 Jan 2001 15:45:55 +0100 (CET) Hi there! Well, I was not trying to raise a discussion subject when I spoke about "the Brooklyn scene". I read that in several magazines and I assumed that's how these group of musicians was known in the US. However, I think it's undeniable that, at some level, people like Perowsky, Speed, Saft, Black or Noriega are musically-related. Not only for playing together but for a certain similarity in musical conception. Maybe their age and their collaborations make me relate them unconciously. I don't know. Anyway, sorry if I was misunderstood. I'm not much into labels or "generational artistic groups". I don't really think there is an actual interest on this subject. We should better stick to music, shouldn't we? Regards, EFRÉN DEL VALLE _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: RE: Autro Brooklynitos were MOT Date: 06 Jan 2001 13:27:14 -0500 (EST) David: Check old interviews in Cadence with the likes of Shorty Rogers etc. Also Ira Gitler's oral history entitled Swing To Bop (Oxford) has many details about the Brooklyn bebop scene. Looking at the continuum, BTW, Jews, radical or not have been involved with improvised music since its earlier days. Ken Waxman --- DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Fri, 5 Jan 2001 2:39:39 PM > And how about a tip of the porkpie hat to what would > have been my father's Brooklyn jazz scene (if he'd been hip to his neighbors) - the Brownsville > beboppers Tiny Kahn, Sonny Berman, Red Rodney, I > think Terry Gibbs, maybe Al Cohn, others - not all born but at some point in the'40s based there. Have > only heard bits of the story (and forgotten most of > those), would love to learn more. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 06 Jan 2001 18:39:20 +0100 you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show, or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses. Francesco ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 PM > anyone here use it? if so does anyone know what is the > best way to take a 90 minute show and split up each > tune into mp3s instead of having one huge mp3 for the > whole show??? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 06 Jan 2001 12:39:30 -0600 >you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the >appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you >need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show, >or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly >have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also >discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses. If you are working in wav files, there is a good shareware utility called CD Wave which displays the entire wav file, and allows you to cut it up into smaller chunks (essentially creating a cue sheet for the wav file) and then when you are done it will create separate wav files for each segment. The nice thing about it is that it will divide the tracks at 2352 byte borders which allows for the tracks to be seamlessly burned to CD without that annoying click you sometimes get between tracks when the two tracks run into each other. I've got an older version of it, but you should be able to get an updated version at http://www.crosswinds.net/~cdwave/ - If you don't have room for the files in wav format, though, then Cool Edit is probably one of the better ones. Just make sure you get a version which allows you to have multiple files open at one time. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Conlon Nancarrow CD Date: 06 Jan 2001 13:06:29 -0600 I got several questions about the Conlon Nancarrow CD Lost Works, Last Works on my year-end list, so I figure I should say something more about it on the list. In some ways this may be the best single-CD introduction to Nancarrow's music, at least his use of player pianos: it includes pieces from the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, and his four last pieces from the early 1990s. And there's a great half hour of interview from 1977 when Charles Amirkhanian produced and recorded the 1750 Arch LPs of Nancarrow's music. & It's certainly far cheaper than the five-CD set on Wergo. Except for a couple of pieces recorded in 1977 and not used for the 1750 Arch recordings (player piano recordings of the Sonatina & 2 movements from String Quartet #1) and two tapes from Nancarrow's own collection (a musique concrete work and a study for prepared player piano, both long believed to be lost), the pieces were recorded on Trimpin's computer-controlled instruments. The works Trimpin does on the CD are Prelude and Blues and Nancarrow's four final compositions: Para Yoko (dedicated to Nancarrow's wife); Studies #50 & 51; and Contraption #1, originally for an automated prepared piano Trimpin built, here heard on computer-controlled piano and Trimpin's Conloninpurple, an instrument/installation that's a kind of a computer-controlled spatially diffused marimba (individual keys are suspended from the ceiling with mechanical devices to strike them and tuned purple "trumpets" to reinforce the sound of each key). People who've heard some of Nancarrow's music may have heard other recordings of about ten minutes of this music, though in very different performances. The rest of the music has never available in any form, and as I wrote above the interview material is also very cool. The disc was released by the Other Minds festival, an annual event in the San Francisco Bay area. I'd guess it gets little or no distribution, but you can get it from them at . -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "M. pathos" Subject: Re: Current 93, Stenbock Date: 06 Jan 2001 21:57:50 Mr. Stapleton seems unusually intested in writers (for a musician). In addition to Ligotti, he has made a cause of Count Stenbock, a depressive - but rich - poet. I only know his Stenbock's work by reputation; has anybody experienced his work firsthand? Any thoughts? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Current 93, Stenbock Date: 06 Jan 2001 16:16:40 -0800 (PST) from the cd's liner notes: count eric stenbock (1860-1895), a member of the estonian branch of a noble swedish family, was the most extraordinary of the decadent writers who flourished in london at the end of the nineteenth century. during his brief life he was responsible for three small volumes of melancholy and suicidal verse (love, sleep and dreams; myrtle, rue and cypress; and the shadows of death), suffused with catholicism, homosexuality and a longing for pain and death, and one extraordinary book of short stories, studies of death, in which he developed these themes into unhappy and haunting vignettes. by the time of his death from drug addiction and alcoholism, he was absolutely reliant on his confessor and was accompanied everywhere he went by a life-size wooden doll that he believed to be his son. he lies buried in brighton catholic cemetery. his collected works, published and unpublished, are being reprinted by durtro press. may he rest in the company of saints under the loving gaze of god. for this, the final: currenty nintey three: david tibet, steven stapelton, andria degens, with the assistance of alice and helen potter. mixed by steven stapelton and david tibet. engineered by colin potter at the water tower. all artwork by babs santini, with the assistance of matt black. david tibet, london, 1.VIII.2000 from david: FAUST (Durtro 060) is the new album from Current Ninety Three, to be released in September 2000. With music by David Tibet, Steven Stapleton and Andria Degens, FAUST is a musical setting of a ferocious and melancholy black magic story written by the arch-decadent writer, Count Eric Stenbock (1860-1895) towards the end of his life. The album is released in two formats: the unlimited CD version comes with a 40 page booklet containing the text of this previously unpublished tale, two screen-printed inserts and also a previously unknown photograph of Count Stenbock. The 12" version, limited to 1,000 copies, comes as a clear vinyl record in a clear vinyl sleeve screen-printed on both sides, with a four page booklet printing the text of the story, and a fold-out poster signed by David Tibet and Steven Stapleton. Count Eric Stenbock was a member of the Estonian branch of a noble Swedish family. Living for the most part in Brighton and London, he had published during his lifetime four (now fantastically rare) books, of which three were small volumes of poetry ("Love, Sleep and Dreams"; "Myrtle, Rue and Cypress"; and "The Shadow of Death") and one a collection of melancholic and exquiste short stories, "Studies of Death". Homosexual, Catholic and obsessed by pain and death, he died early as a result of his addiction to alcohol and opium. An associate of Oscar Wilde, WB Yeats and Simeon Solomon, towards the end of his life he was accompanied everywhere by his priestly confessor and a life-sized wooden doll that he believed to be his son. His "The True Story of a Vampire" (from "Studies of Death") is considered to be one of the greatest vampire--and homo-erotic--stories of all time. His biography, written by John Adlard, was published in 1969 by Cecil Woolf: "Stenbock, Yeats and the Nineties". David Tibet has been given access to all his unpublished papers, and is in the process of publishing those as well as republishing the volumes mentioned above. He has already published an expanded edition of "Studies of Death"; a previously unpublished biographical and philosophical piece, "The Myth of Punch", in a handprinted edition with notes and an afterword by Tibet; and a collection of four stories found in typescript and never seen during Stenbock's lifetime, "the Child of the Soul; and Other Stories". Have pity for the dead: David Tibet, London, 4.VIII.2000 if you like ghost stories, it's fantastic. hasta. On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, M. pathos wrote: > Mr. Stapleton seems unusually intested in writers (for a musician). In > addition to Ligotti, he has made a cause of Count Stenbock, a depressive - > but rich - poet. I only know his Stenbock's work by reputation; has anybody > experienced his work firsthand? Any thoughts? Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Current 93, Stenbock Date: 06 Jan 2001 21:51:26 -0500 Stenbock or at least his name is a character in Kim Newman's "Anno Dracula" (he stuffed the book full of famous and not-famous literary vampires and their authors). LT Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nonZorn/ FileMaker Pro help needed Date: 07 Jan 2001 12:03:14 EST dear zornies, by any chance do you know someone who uses FileMaker Pro? i use it for my database, although ive only finished letter B not even counting vinyl, and its already 20.000 entries (i do each track of compilations separately). What I'm looking for is how to write a script to delete duplicates in one fell swoop, as i accidentally have several merged and its 3x larger than it shd be. ( i use a mac, btw). reply to me personally, natch. thanks, all steve koenig n.p. EP with book Cucamonga, photos of Beefheart's LA residences w/G Lucas, Zoot Horn Rollo, John French and sounds of the freeway....... (emigre.com) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: nonZorn/ FileMaker Pro help needed Date: 07 Jan 2001 09:40:34 -0800 n.p. EP with book Cucamonga, photos of Beefheart's LA residences w/G Lucas, Zoot Horn Rollo, John French and sounds of the freeway....... (emigre.com) How is the book and EP? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thelushtundra@aol.com Subject: zorn sheet music Date: 07 Jan 2001 13:48:33 EST << so i am wondering if anyone of the z-list knows of anyplace where i can get any zorn sheet music...thanks in advance! >> just so happens i picked up Cartoon S&M a couple of days ago, and in the booklet it says: "scores and parts available from Carl Fischer, New York 65 Bleecker Street, NYC 10012 tel: (212) 777-0900 fax: (212) 477-6996" hope this helps. charlie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 07 Jan 2001 14:22:48 -0500 > >you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the > >appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you > >need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show, > >or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly > >have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also > >discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses. Okay, I agree with the back to front. For some reason, it's easier to keep track of, and it doesn't grind the drive as much as you hack pieces off the end. Here's what I do when I'm cutting apart an album: Sample it to a WAV. Copy the WAV. Edit the copy (so you still have the original if you screw something up) Then, using Cool Edit, I select the last song on the LP, then SAVE SELECTION. This is important, because when you are dealing with 30 megs or more of data, copying and pasting is no simple matter. It grinds the drive as you tax virtual memory. This skips that step and speeds the process dramatically. Then Cut or delete the part you had selected and move on to the next tune, until you are done. Cutting it like this allows you to save it if you have to walk away, which I do on a regular basis, and I can't remember shit, so I have to leave physical reminders to myself. Also, be sure you are number the tracks if the order is important to you. Also, be sure to know that if you cut a piece of music into pieces and make those pieces, the music will NOT play uninterrupted using most current players. There is a tiny pause as the player buffers the first few seconds. So stuff like medleys or live music will have teeny pauses on playback. As for leaving the appropriate silence before or after a track, I think it depends. On most stuff I leave a fraction of a second, but for long slow fading intros or super sudden attacks, I leave a little more. And on the way out, I leave whatever makes since. Really, if you intend the thing to be played in toto, it sort of doesn't matter where you cut it. My 2 cents. Peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Blue Date: 07 Jan 2001 22:58:13 +0100 I noticed that in the cybermusic surplus catalog there's Blue by the John Stevens Ensemble. This is a half-boot, but well worth getting for 5.99 with Rutherford and Parker among other notables. Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: oxley on sofa/verge Date: 07 Jan 2001 18:50:48 EST Verge is stocking the Oxley disc on Sofa that Steve was looking for a few=20 days ago. it might not be on the web site yet (www.vergemusic.com), below is= =20 the description from the January update, price in Canadian dollars: SOFA Norway Tony Oxley Project 1 Triangular Screen NY-SOFA501-CD Jazz 7042986105013 ($22.00 CD) Tony Oxley. drums; Ivar Grydeland, guitar; Tonny Kluften, bass. Recorded at the Kongsberg Jazz Festival, March 2000 and at Bla, Oslo, May 2000.Studios, Oslo, 1996. On this recording Johannes Eick=EDs warm bass sound, =ECImprovisation is one of the purest forms of self expression. It has its risks, but also its rewards. The music on this CD, I feel welcomes the obvious freedoms and responsibilities. The Triangular Screen is a document from two very different European cultures. Welcome.=EE =F3Tony Oxley. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "M. pathos" Subject: burn Burns, with style Date: 07 Jan 2001 23:52:01 Thanks for the surfeit of information on Stenbock/Stapelton/Tibet. It's good that somebody still bothers to come up with alternative artistic histories and heroes. Jazz will urgently need some once "Jazz," the Babel tower of crap by documentarian Ken Burns overseen by W. MarsalASS et. al., drops. Apparently, "Jazz" history stops mid-Miles, with Trane and post-60s artists being footnotes deserving of little more than one episode (of ten). It's unbelievable the audacity of LC (is that Lincoln Center or Lying Cunts?) crew presenting such a blatantly biased account of the music as what, through its monumentality and contextualization, will tend to be viewed as a definitive history. Having said that, I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework. Perhaps this is what Zorn was getting at in his "Experimental" manifesto (I missed that discussion). Zorn's music, in particular, seems to owe much more to other genres than to jazz. But then, maybe it's all jazz, or at least one of Ellington's two musical categories: good and bad. Styles are continuums not categories - and all that. from the cd's liner notes: count eric stenbock (1860-1895), a member of the estonian branch of a noble swedish family, was the most extraordinary of the decadent writers who flourished in london at the end of the nineteenth century. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: history of euro jazz/hampel interview Date: 07 Jan 2001 18:58:13 EST hi friends, i got an amazing interview from gunter hampel which covers the whole history of euro & amer improv. http://www.allaboutjazz.com/iviews/ghampel.htm GUNTER HAMPEL INTERVIEW includes references to : perry robinson, mark whitecage, buschi niebergall, willem breuker, david hazelton, naima, jeanne lee, ran blake, pierre courbois, peter kowald, peter brotzmann matthias schubert, wergo records, marion brown, anthony braxton, steve mccall, joseph jarman, roscoe mitchell, barre phillips, manfred schoof, albert mangelsdorff, zane and cal massey, andrew cyrille billy bang, larry rolland, stollman/esp-disk' downtown music gallery, knitting factory yrs steve koenig np: brandon evans "recurring moons" paractile 01 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 07 Jan 2001 20:18:21 EST --part1_55.f831f46.278a6f5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/7/01 6:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpathos@hotmail.com writes: > I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new > music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework. > I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. Dale. --part1_55.f831f46.278a6f5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/7/01 6:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mpathos@hotmail.com writes:


I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new
music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework.

I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually
nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975.

Dale.
--part1_55.f831f46.278a6f5d_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 07 Jan 2001 19:45:14 -0500 On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 08:18:21PM -0500, TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually > nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. Hrmm. What would you claim is the last thing "of consequence" that has happened? And isn't singling out Zorn as a thing (?) of consequence, without noting the entire millieu that makes his work possible, falling into the trap of looking at the history as a group of decontextualized heroes, much as Burns's series is reported to do? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Tenchi Sozo Izen Date: 08 Jan 2001 14:57:05 +1100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07983.440922E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Zornographers, Anyone heard of Tenchi Sozo Izen? The stuff i've come across is akin to = second-rate Naked City "Heretic." Regards, Adam ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07983.440922E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Zornographers,
 
Anyone heard of Tenchi Sozo Izen? The stuff i've come across is = akin to=20 second-rate Naked City "Heretic."
 
Regards,
 
Adam
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07983.440922E0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drivymovie@aol.com Subject: ZORN Lecture/performance(?) TODAY!!! @Miller Theatre!!! Date: 08 Jan 2001 04:29:41 EST Hello, I just wanted to remind everyone in NYC that Zorn is giving a free discussion and possible performance today from 4-6:30 at the Miller Theatre at Columbia University! There is more info on the DMG site, if anyone is interested. Okay, Evan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 08 Jan 2001 10:36:36 +0100 > Okay, I agree with the back to front. For some reason, it's easier to keep > track of, and it doesn't grind the drive as much as you hack pieces off the > end. that's because that way the program hasn't to move the whole file, just cut from the end of it. > Here's what I do when I'm cutting apart an album: > Sample it to a WAV. > Copy the WAV. I do not think this is necessary because until the final saving the file it's still intact on your hd > Edit the copy (so you still have the original if you screw something up) > Then, using Cool Edit, I select the last song on the LP, then SAVE > SELECTION. This is important, because when you are dealing with 30 megs or > more of data, copying and pasting is no simple matter. It grinds the drive > as you tax virtual memory. This skips that step and speeds the process > dramatically. I guess your mileage varies with RAM and processing power available. > Then Cut or delete the part you had selected and move on to the next tune, > until you are done. Cutting it like this allows you to save it if you have > to walk away, which I do on a regular basis, and I can't remember shit, so I > have to leave physical reminders to myself. well if you have to cut and delete at this point you might as well cut and paste before saving a step... > Also, be sure to know that if you cut a piece of music into pieces and make > those pieces, the music will NOT play uninterrupted using most current > players. There is a tiny pause as the player buffers the first few seconds. > So stuff like medleys or live music will have teeny pauses on playback. some software will allow you to index a big file instead of cutting it in order to achieve continuous playing while leaving you free to access any tune > As for leaving the appropriate silence before or after a track, I think it > depends. On most stuff I leave a fraction of a second, but for long slow > fading intros or super sudden attacks, I leave a little more. And on the > way out, I leave whatever makes since. Really, if you intend the thing to > be played in toto, it sort of doesn't matter where you cut it. matter of taste of course, I dont care for continuous playing unless the pieces really segue into each other and I minimize the applause too which over repeated listenings is annoying Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Trimpin Date: 08 Jan 2001 07:27:03 -0600 After expounding on the Nancarrow disc, I got further questions about Trimpin, so again figured to respond to the list. Trimpin is a Seattle-based artist who worked with Nancarrow from the mid-1980s until Nancarrow's death. He invented a piano roll to MIDI interface (which is a very funny looking thing) so that all of Nancarrow's works could be stored digitally. He also toured a lot with Nancarrow, performing (getting the tech together & turning the computer on & off) in the public concerts of Nancarrow's music during this period. In Trimpin's own creative works, he controls acoustic instruments and other sound-making devices using computers, often modelling basic natural forces. Trimpin has created many amazing installations/instruments/compositions including a Fire Organ; rickshaws with radio controlled musical instruments; a suspended array of marimbas that responds to seismic data from around the world; etc. that have been presented at festivals, art centers, science museums throughout North America, Europe and the Pacific Rim. Trimpin has never been interested in audio recordings of his own music, partly because they have so much to do with acoustic space, partly because he's interested in acoustic sounds as such; and partly because he thinks speaker's are poorly designed. (I've probably mis-stated some of his arguments here, as well as missed a few other reasons for not doing audio recordings.) In any case, the Nancarrow CD may be the only chance you'll have to hear his instruments on a recording any time soon, even though they aren't playing his music. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: any Scelsi recommendations? Date: 08 Jan 2001 13:51:40 -0800 I know nothing of this composer and I want to repair this serious overlook. Does Scelsi has a "Rite of Spring"? I mean a composition which gathers some consensus? Also, what record in general people recommend? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Denman Maroney/Tim Berne NYC show this Thursday Date: 08 Jan 2001 19:34:59 EST INTERPRETATIONS presents DENMAN MARONEY "Fluxations" (premiere) Ned Rothenberg - reeds Dave Ballou - trumpet Denman Maroney - hyperpiano Mark Dresser - contrabass Kevin Norton - percussion PARAPHRASE Tim Berne - saxophone Drew Gress - bass Tom Rainey - percussion Thursday, January 11, 2001 Merkin Concert Hall / 8:00pm 129 West 67th Street Box Office: 212-501-3330 Tickets: $10/$7 TDF/V Interpretations: 212-627-0990 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 08 Jan 2001 06:00:49 -0000 >From: TagYrIt@aol.com > >I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, >virtually >nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. Hmmm...you should try and get out more often... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nils Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:45:29 -0500 "M. pathos" wrote: > It's good > that somebody still bothers to come up with alternative artistic histories > and heroes. Jazz will urgently need some once "Jazz," the Babel tower of > crap by documentarian Ken Burns overseen by W. MarsalASS et. al., drops. > Apparently, "Jazz" history stops mid-Miles, with Trane and post-60s artists > being footnotes deserving of little more than one episode (of ten). It's > unbelievable the audacity of LC (is that Lincoln Center or Lying Cunts?) > crew presenting such a blatantly biased account of the music as what, > through its monumentality and contextualization, will tend to be viewed as a > definitive history. yes, well, ain't it true. i've sort of made it a mission to speak up on the subject. here's a link to my editorial on burns at allaboutjazz: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/arti1100_09.htm and while you're at it, simon weil did a pretty thorough job of debunking the marsalis dogma of "democracy" in the same section: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/arti1200_15.htm i find these two articles make a nice complement to the thorough ass-kissing that the music reviewers delivered when reflecting upon the soundtrack to this series. and since i'm engaging in wanton self-promotion here, why don't you also just go ahead and check out my editorial on independent labels: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/arti0101_04.htm which of course features a hearty reference to tzadik, among others. it is worth noting that aaj offers a gazillion label links, which can be quite helpful when you're trying to track something down. n - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:42:43 +1100 > >From: TagYrIt@aol.com > > > >I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, > >virtually > >nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. > > Hmmm...you should try and get out more often... As inevitable as that reply was, I actually do understand what the first guy meant. The mid-70s would have seen the peak of the fusion and freejazz movements, and since then most jazz has come directly from there or before. Even the most amazing, original musicians like Bill Frisell or Tim Berne are still doing a form of fusion or freejazz (or bop, or whatever). It's like we're getting a lot of great new perspectives, but not many new forms. Although, I am still trying to decide whether I would single Zorn out from that. I guess he's done so many different projects, he's got a pretty good chance of hitting on something new somewhere along the line... On a different note, I think The Necks are doing something pretty amazing. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:54:18 EST In a message dated 1/8/01 8:45:16 PM, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: << On a different note, I think The Necks are doing something pretty amazing. >> what's their best record? the only easy ones to find in the US are Aquatic (reissued on Carpet Bomb) and Hanging Gardens (on their label, Fish of Milk). I've got Aquatic and I bought a used copy of Sex last week (no snide comments, please), but I'm still trying to figure out what I think of the band. is Hanging Gardens better than the two I have? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:07:36 +1100 > what's their best record? the only easy ones to find in the US are Aquatic > (reissued on Carpet Bomb) and Hanging Gardens (on their label, Fish of Milk). > I've got Aquatic and I bought a used copy of Sex last week (no snide > comments, please), but I'm still trying to figure out what I think of the > band. is Hanging Gardens better than the two I have? Hanging Gardens is the only one I don't have. From the brief listens I've had to it, I remember it being a bit more dancey than usual. Sex and Aquatic are definitely good. Silent Night is another very good one. However, when I said they are doing something amazing I was talking more about their live shows. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee, Edgar" Subject: Branded to Kill Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:44:55 +1100 Someone recently referred to the DVD version of Suzuki's remarkable Branded to Kill and the fact that Zorn has contributed the liner notes. Are these liner notes available online anywhere? It was recently on TV in Melbourne as well as the last Melbourne film festival which had a retrospective on Suzuki. On another note, with reference to NY's scenes is there a music scene in Hackensack, New Jersey, and how long does it take to get to the East Village on the subway from there? The chap who I'll be soon staying with for a while just moved there from Brooklyn. Edgar currently hating the fact that everytime I see a post from Dan Hill I sing his godawful mid 70s hit Sometimes when we touch - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:49:37 EST Since were talking about this, who would everyone consider as "important" (influential, brilliant?) late '70's through mid 80's era jazzers? I'll go ahead and start by putting Keith Jarret on the list. ~eriedell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 08 Jan 2001 22:18:52 -0500 On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 09:49:37PM -0500, Eriedell@aol.com wrote: > Since were talking about this, who would everyone consider as "important" > (influential, brilliant?) late '70's through mid 80's era jazzers? I'll go > ahead and start by putting Keith Jarret on the list. The first one that jumps to mind is Bill Laswell. Sure, he's worked in other areas had his share of duds, but he's been behind a whole lot of influential stuff. Off the top of my head, I'd also list James Blood Ulmer. And perhaps Steve Coleman and the M-Base musicians for their rhythmic ideas at least. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: g.lucas/beefheart Cucamonga Date: 08 Jan 2001 23:50:04 EST In a message dated 1/8/01 9:17:19 PM,=20 owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:40:34 -0800 n.p. EP with book Cucamonga,=20 photos of Beefheart's LA residences w/G Lucas, Zoot Horn Rollo, John French and=20 sounds of the freeway....... (emigre.com) How is the book and EP? >> hi keith, here's a preview of my review coming up next week in laFolia.com: Captain Beefheart. Cucamonga. Photography and text by Rudy Vanderlans. =20 (Emigre Books ECD 018, 16:51, emigre.com) If you=92re a Beefheart freak, as= I=20 am, this hardcover book with CD is an unexpected treat. It=92s a sort of st= ill=20 life tribute to the air where the Captain Don Van Vliet grew up, musically=20 speaking. To non-fans, this will just be a book of excellent photography,=20 but Vanderlans has an eye for mood. His moods are not =93moody,=94 but simp= le,=20 clear shots of places Beefheart lived and recorded. The first cut on the CD= =20 is a field recording of an L.A. highway intersection. One can feel and=20 breathe that air, that moment. Following are individual new, exclusive=20 tracks by members of the of the Beefheart band. Gary Lucas offers an=20 acoustic solo on his Gibson. John French=92s track is a solo overdubbed fes= t=20 of guitar, MIDI bass, marimba and piano, evoking the sound of 1970s Zappa an= d=20 Beefheart. (When will someone reissue French=92s duo with Diamanda Galas fr= om=20 a 1750 Arch LP?) Zoot Horn Rollo gives us a blues on baritone guitar and=20 bass programming, countrified midway by violinist Brian Price. Closing out=20 the CD is a field recording outside the house where Trout Mask Replica was=20 recorded. The important thing here, though, are the photos which illuminate= =20 not an artist or music, but an environment, and are powerful in that context= .=20 =20 steve koenig n.p. major pulsing headache....not unlike an aube disc, but w/o the pleasure - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: scelsi Date: 08 Jan 2001 23:55:38 EST In a message dated 1/8/01 9:17:19 PM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:51:40 -0800 I know nothing of this composer and I want to repair this serious overlook. Does Scelsi has a "Rite of Spring"? I mean a composition which gathers some consensus? Also, what record in general people recommend? Thanks, Patrice. >> dear patrice ive been following scelsis music since converted by pal/saxophonist robert reigle, who made a pilgrimmage to spend time with him in roma. some necessities: canti di capricorni- (wergo) the orchestral works on accord discs, singly or in a 3cd box, now accord is hard to get, plus there are 2 new releases only available in france also the complete string quartets tho i prefer qt 4 on an ancient Time Lp. im iffy about the hat hut piano stuff, the sub rosas are good. i'll send more info when im conscious. steve koenig n.p. still headache...argghh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Electro-acoustic in RealAudio on this week's Mappings Date: 08 Jan 2001 23:00:00 -0600 Hi y'all, This week you'll hear works Alvin Curran, Mario Davidovsky, Henry Gwiazda, Rolf Julius, Paul Koonce, Eduardo Reck Miranda, Tim Perkis, Kristoff K Roll, and Antonio Russek on Mappings. The show went online approximately 10 pm PST (GMT -0700) on Monday January 22, 2001 and will be available for about a week at . Hope to see you there. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sergio luque Subject: Re: scelsi Date: 09 Jan 2001 00:13:57 -0600 el 08-01-2001 10:55 pm, "Acousticlv@aol.com" escribi=F3: > some necessities: canti di capricorni- (wergo) yes indeed! _canti del capricorno_ wer 60127-50 with michiko hirayama doing the microtonal (kind of japanese) singing. a very intense piece, sometimes it sounds like ritual music from god knows where, at other times it sounds like it comes from a japanese theater or mental health institution and at other times it is just plain weird: great music. some of the canti include saxophone, percussion, gong. > also the complete string quartets agreed!, they are refreshing and awe inspiring. ___________________________________________________________________________= _ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.m= x - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Branded to Kill Date: 08 Jan 2001 22:20:49 -0800 As far as I know Zorn did not contribute liner notes but images from his collection - which is quite wonderful - and yes it is a fantastic film. ciao, -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Marsh?= Subject: cucamonga Date: 09 Jan 2001 09:14:00 +0000 (GMT) "s~Z" wrote: >> n.p. EP with book Cucamonga, >> photos of Beefheart's LA residences w/G Lucas, >> Zoot Horn Rollo, John French and >> sounds of the freeway....... (emigre.com) > > How is the book and EP? have a look at dan hill's rather fab review (plus soundclips) at http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/685.html hope this helps cheers peter ps anyone into Gary Lucas and living in the London area, he's on BBC London Live (94.9FM) tonight doing a live session - around 8.30 or so. ===== lob - astralpunkfunkambientnoisejazz http://www.lentils.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fate@telepath.com (Your Imaginary Friend) Subject: Re: g.lucas/beefheart Cucamonga Date: 09 Jan 2001 03:18:52 -0500 >John French=92s track is a solo overdubbed fest >of guitar, MIDI bass, marimba and piano, evoking the sound of 1970s Zappa a= nd >Beefheart. (When will someone reissue French=92s duo with Diamanda Galas f= rom >a 1750 Arch LP?) Steve, Have you confused Jim French with John? Or am I missing something? Diamanda told me in '88 she wasn't too eager for that record's reissue - hopefully she's changed her mind since then... Jon M. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 07:21:36 -0500 At 09:49 PM 1/8/01 EST, Eriedell@aol.com wrote: >Since were talking about this, who would everyone consider as "important" >(influential, brilliant?) late '70's through mid 80's era jazzers? I'll go >ahead and start by putting Keith Jarret on the list. I've been waiting for the jazz heavyweights on this list to open the discussion, but I'll mention the influences of classical composition and large-scale form that show up in work like Barry Guy's with the LJCO and Butch Morris's conductions, as well as the introduction of live electronics as documented by Erstwhile but which would also include Evan Parker's EA Ensemble and its circle of players. I'd also like to include Henry Threadgill for his uncanny ear for unique ensemble sonorities in his recent groups. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: Branded to Kill Date: 09 Jan 2001 08:28:21 -0500 well, I thought since I brought it up, here is my transcription of the liner notes to Branded to Kill: "Flipping around the channels of late-night TV in my Tokyo apartment in 1984 I came across what seemed like a B movie from the '60s. The studio: Nikkatsu. The star: Joe Shishido. The director: Seijun Suzuki. I was not at all prepared for what I was about to see, and I remember spending much of the following hour or so riveted to the screen with my mouth open. That night changed my life and set me on a journey to explore the darker side of a culture known predominantly for its classical beauty. What I discovered were entire genres of popular films that had never been seen outside of Japan. Hard-Boiled Noir, Nikkatsu Action, Toei Pink, Roman Porno. Far from the highly respected award-winning films on the international film circuit, these were the popular low-budget B pictures that the public thrived on. This, then, was the world of gossip columns, fan magazines, and superstars who graced the walls of yakitori shops, NOMIYA (bars), and family-run businesses. This was the life and blood of Japan, neatly hidden from foreign eyes which, it was assumed, would not understand what the attraction was in the first place. In the postwar '50s and '60s, Japan had its own version of the Hollywood star and studio system. Names like Tetsuya Watari, Mie Kitahara, and Akira Kobayashi may be largely unheard of in the West, but in Japan they are as famous as Bogart, Monroe, and Brando. Countless directors flourished in the studios of Daiei, Toei, and Nikkatsu as directors for hire--auteurs in their own right. By comparison, Kurosawa's work is considered more "Western." Here we are looking at a whole new aesthetic, where plot and narrative devices take a back seat to mood, music, and the sensuality of visual images. Character development is often distilled into moments. There is a quality of timelessness--the Floating World translated to the scope screen. Of all the B-studio directors, the one who perhaps most deservedly has earned the auteur title is Seijin Suzuki. Of the forty-two films Suzuki made for Nikkatsu, the final fourteen he made between 1963 and 1967 are some of the most important, original and Japanese films of all cinema, and of all his disturbing masterpieces, none is as powerful or unique as "Branded to Kill." Each time I see it I discover something new--it's like seeing it for the first time. Nobody utilized Cinemascope like the Japanese (its similarity in shape to the Kabuki stage is suggested as a possible reason) and the use of the scope screen reached extravagantly delirious heights in the hands of master cinematographers like Shigeyoshi Mine and Kazue Nagatsuka, and directors like Suzuki. In "Branded to Kill" and "Tokyo Drifter" ("Tokyo Nagaremono"), each shot is a masterpiece of Japanese design. These traditions go back centuries, but on the scope screen they hit us afresh and right where we live. Born in 1923 during the short-lived and quirky Taisho period in Japan, Suzuki inherited a powerful appetite for HAIKARA (modern style) that was tempered by his experiences in World War II. As the member of a meteorological unit, he was twice shipwrecked in the Philippines and Taiwan, and bore witness to atrocities we can only imagine. His nihilistic philosophy is quite apparent in this work--"Making things is not what counts: the power that destroys them is"--as a kind of playful irreverence that echoes the French New Wave that influenced Suzuki and his contemporaries. Seijun Suzuki's "Branded to Kill" is a cinematic masterpiece that transcends its genre. It is about as close to traditional YAKUZA pictures as Godard's "Alphaville" is to science fiction. Suzuki paid a price for his brilliance, however. Fired for "incomprehensibility" after making "Branded to Kill," he was unable to work in film for ten years. This film is his seminal work; a genre picture from a major Japanese studio by a team of creative geniuses who made no compromises. But here the genre is merely a point of departure." --John Zorn Tosh wrote: > As far as I know Zorn did not contribute liner notes but images from his > collection - which is quite wonderful - and yes it is a fantastic film. > > ciao, > > -- > Tosh Berman > TamTam Books > http://www.tamtambooks.com > > > > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: are we burning Burns yet? Date: 09 Jan 2001 08:46:14 -0500 Oh, and to kick this off, I watched the show last night and was pleased and dismayed. While some of the footage was nice to see (too bad we'll never know what the original music that accompanied those clips will sound like), I was surprised to hear that I recognized a bunch of the incidental music in the film. Turns out that while describing the musical gumbo that makes up New Orleans, Burns used 5 different songs from Rounder's Alan Lomax collection "61 Highway Mississippi" recorded in 1959 in Senitobia, Como, and Parchman Farm, Mississippi. Great record (early fife and drum, Mississippi Fred McDowell, prison songs), but hardly the gumbo from all around the south that Burns wants us to believe. other thoughts>...? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 09:11:22 EST > >"important" (influential, brilliant?) late '70's through > > mid 80's era jazzers? I'll go ahead and start > > by putting Keith Jarret on the list. > Barry Guy's with the LJCO and Butch Morris's conductions, > Evan Parker's EA Ensemble and its circle of players. > Threadgill (Re?)stating the obvious: Hemphill, Braxton, Rivers. Horace Tapscott. And also brilliant, albeit less (at that point) influential: Marilyn Crispell, Irene Schweizer, Sergei Kuryokhin, Ran Blake, Misha Mengleberg, Anthony Davis, Richard Grossman. Also Tim Berne & gang. Charlie Haden in various incarnations, including Old and New Dreams. And may I add that the post-Tristano-ites - Marsh, Konitz, Sal Mosca - were putting out some great stuff round around then? David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 09:24:15 -0500 Watching the first episode last night, I was pleasantly surprised. My only criticism was that there were a few moments where they DIDN'T actually have any commentary by Sir Wyton (ha-ha). I already have my gag reflex set to projectile vomit for the last installment where they supposedly gloss over the last 30 years in 5 seconds or less. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: scelsi Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:05:22 +0100 Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > dear patrice > the orchestral works on accord discs, singly or in a 3cd box, > now accord is hard to get, Salut Patrice! Scelsi - absolutely mindblowing, I think! You are delving into something VERY fantastic... I can second the recommendation for the Accord discs: great to listen to. Hope this helps. patRice nr: Yasunari Kawabata, Snow Country np: The Fall, The Frenz Experiment - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:21:45 -0000 >From: Eriedell@aol.com >Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style > >Since were talking about this, who would everyone consider as "important" >(influential, brilliant?) late '70's through mid 80's era jazzers? I'll go >ahead and start by putting Keith Jarret on the list. >~eriedell I'd say: John Carter David Murray World Saxophone Quartet Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble of Chicago Don Pullen Anthony Braxton Cecil Taylor Olu Dara Jamaaladeen Tacuma some of John McLaughlin's better moments and of course, Ornette's Prime Time (with the affect of having worked with the Master Musicians of Jajouka) That's to name only a few. I've been inundated with emails from the chains about the Burn's series. Burns likes grand narratives. They have a good sell value for those dilettantes who like to collect series' and they add breath to a library shelf. Sort of a life's greatest hits. American life of course. It's all pop historicism for an amnesic culture that needs reminding, and it's as superficial as one can get. The purpose is clear in the emails: serial profits, and with a book, video, and CD tie-in, the cash registers will be burning. McIntellectualism for the masses. Perhaps Adorno saw all this coming. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:20:18 -0500 On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 03:21:45PM -0000, Bill Ashline wrote: > I've been inundated with emails from the chains about the Burn's series. > Burns likes grand narratives. They have a good sell value for those > dilettantes who like to collect series' and they add breath to a library > shelf. Sort of a life's greatest hits. American life of course. It's all > pop historicism for an amnesic culture that needs reminding, and it's as > superficial as one can get. The purpose is clear in the emails: serial > profits, and with a book, video, and CD tie-in, the cash registers will be > burning. McIntellectualism for the masses. Perhaps Adorno saw all this > coming. FWIW, I've gotten a few of the single-artist compilations from the CD series and what I've heard are pretty good. While it's hard to sum up, say, Thelonious Monk or Ornette in a single CD, what I've seen are good overviews for the first time buyer or for those with gaps in their collection. I have practically no jazz recordings from before about 1960, and I have a feeling this may inspire me to look into some of it. (Though, as I was about to pick up the Mingus compilation, my eye struck "Mingus at Antibes" in the rack and, remembering that someone here had recommended it, I got it instead. Ee-yow! Thanks to whoever suggested it.) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:17:06 -0000 >From: Joseph Zitt >FWIW, I've gotten a few of the single-artist compilations from the CD >series and what I've heard are pretty good. While it's hard to sum up, >say, Thelonious Monk or Ornette in a single CD, what I've seen are good >overviews for the first time buyer or for those with gaps in their >collection. I have practically no jazz recordings from before about >1960, and I have a feeling this may inspire me to look into some of it. Oh yes the music is certainly good. I'm sure the film footage in the film will be good as well. The issue is more the packaging and the ideology. I'd be more impressed if the series focused on important, already existing albums rather than finding an excuse to market yet another collection. Besides that, the Smithsonian did a fine job at one time putting these early recordings together in multi-album packages. I recall using their boxes of Bechet, Teddy Wilson, Johnny Hodges, and Coleman Hawkins when I first started doing jazz on radio. Those were great sets, and I think their historical sensibility was rather more admirable than our cheesy Mr. Burns. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:43:39 -0500 On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:17:06PM -0000, Bill Ashline wrote: > Oh yes the music is certainly good. I'm sure the film footage in the film > will be good as well. The issue is more the packaging and the ideology. > I'd be more impressed if the series focused on important, already existing > albums rather than finding an excuse to market yet another collection. > Besides that, the Smithsonian did a fine job at one time putting these early > recordings together in multi-album packages. I recall using their boxes of > Bechet, Teddy Wilson, Johnny Hodges, and Coleman Hawkins when I first > started doing jazz on radio. Those were great sets, and I think their > historical sensibility was rather more admirable than our cheesy Mr. Burns. Yeah, the Smithsonian set was great -- it was what turned me on to Coltrane, Ornette, and Cecil Taylor. (Odd that I don't remember the earlier material at all, and that I remember hearing the Art Ensemble of Chicago on it, who according to a check of the track listing weren't actually there.) OTOH, are there good, affordable, comprehensive single-disc overviews of these artists in print that cover their work as well and with as good sound as the new compilations? If they exist, would publicizing, producing, and marketing them with the same audience-reach as the current sets be in any sense a better or worse thing to do? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 08:43:51 -0800 (PST) > > >"important" (influential, brilliant?) late '70's > through > > > mid 80's era jazzers? I'll go ahead and start > > > by putting Keith Jarret on the list. To respond to someone's comment earlier (not the quote above) to the effect that "jazz" as such has been stagnant since the Sixties, I would appeal to the case made by Marty Ehrlich and Tim Berne in the Downbeat interview from several years ago. They assert that now is a time of shades more than coups, in which revolutions take the shape of gradual changes with reference points to previous forms; and even more specifically, to _certain stylists_. (In this case, both musicians refer to Ornette's music, and imply that their respective styles are in many ways "shading" forward from Ornette's revolution.) The greatest revolutions seem to also defy genre/stylistic constraints, often by (eventually) creating new ones: Derek Bailey and Evan Parker seem to typify this...I mean, where the hell did they come from? Parker's insistent homage to Coltrane isn't enough to make me _hear_ a Trane influence in, say, most of his playing (esp. unaccompanied soprano). I think Joe Lovano has shaded jazz saxophone playing in a new direction, and created a fiercely personal style, while remaining very much the Jazz Musician; this respect for The Great Tradition and for genre makes him a Great White Hope for adherents to jazz, that is, jazz fans and critics who _need_ to be Jazz Fans and Jazz Critics. It all depends on how much of a personal investment one has in the maintenance of a genre: do you push the rules, or do you forgo the game altogether? Crouch/Marsalis clearly have an aesthetic and financial interest in making jazz-the-genre and jazz-THE-tradition the loci of debate and study, which is why inevitably the issue for them always returns to "but is it _jazz_?" This idea seems so foreign to me now that I have a hard time even getting my teeth on their arguements. -----s, enough rambling P.S. Yes, Charles Mingus' ANTIBES '60 does kick all kinds of ass. Zitt's opinion seconded. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perdida Subject: (no zorn content) Woelfli and Cronenburg Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:31:55 -0500 Hi all, I've finally exhausted all my leads to find two CDs: Necropolis, Amphibians and Insects (music composed by Adolphe Woelfli but possibly performed by SPK, I *am* a bit confused on this point) and Dead Ringers: Music from the films of David Cronenburg, which was mentioned a while ago on this list. With regard to the latter, I have contacted abvout a dozen soundtrack specialists with no luck. Is it even still available? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Marianne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: (no zorn content) Woelfli and Cronenburg Date: 09 Jan 2001 09:57:26 -0800 perdida wrote: > > Necropolis, Amphibians and Insects (music composed by Adolphe Woelfli but > possibly performed by SPK, I *am* a bit confused on this point) That album contains music composed by Woelfli, and was organized by Revell from SPK; SPK does the title track (which also appears on _Zamia Lehmanni_) and about three others; the rest of the LP contains interpretations by DDAA (Deficit des Annees Anterieures) and, if memory serves, Nurse with Wound. I've never actually seen a CD of it, perhaps it was vinyl only? Woelfli's "compositions", if you've never seen them, are pretty open to interpreation -- they're basically decorative borders around his drawings, and may contain seven, eight or more lines per staff and no bar lines, so the degree to which any of the tracks actually bears a resemblence to the "score" that inspired it, uh, varies. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (no zorn content) Woelfli and Cronenburg Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:59:40 -0500 >Necropolis, Amphibians and Insects (music composed by Adolphe >Woelfli but possibly performed by SPK, I *am* a bit confused on If I remember right this album is more a tribute to Woelfli than actual compositions of his (using "composition" quite loosely). It was by Graeme Revell not credited directly to SPK. Lang - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JKlein2373@aol.com Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:02:19 EST Hi all, I recently interviewed Ken Burns at length, and while I agree that there are some problems with his Jazz documentary I must come to his defense on a few points. 1) While I agree that the series is deficient on the last forty years, some people on this list have already pointed out the lack of big movers and shakers from the late '70s to the present. There's plenty of stuff I - we - love, but I can only imagine the problems inherent in ending a 17 hour film with a few more hours on fuzak, improv, noise, and cross polination stuff like M-Base or even Zorn. History is still being written, and Burns indicated he would like to come back to this film a few years down the line. 2) There are several glaring omissions in terms of interview subjects, but Ken told me that in many cases attempts were made to talk to these folks but several prohibitive problems prevented it. This list includes giants like Ornette, who was contacted but who proved relatively uncooperative. 3) Some critics have mistakenly asserted that Ken Burns knew nothing of jazz before he started, which is apparently also untrue. His dad was a huge jazz fan, and Burns worked in an Ann Arbor record store for four years in the late '60s and early '70s (I think). Burns has always claimed that he didn't own that many jazz records, and that's because he grew up listening to his father's. Incidentally, a few of the loudest anti-Jazz critics had apprently been contacted for the film but then cut when they proved too snobby. 4) The inevitable argument that I have come to appreciate: since jazz accounts for about 2% of all record stores, anything that gets people to buy albums from Armstrong through Davis is a good thing. Jazz best-ofs are questionable, but at least Burns was able to combine catalogs for more definitive samplers (if that isn't too much of an oxymoron). He told me, really, that the best-of sets were aimed at the average Walmart shopper in the middle of nowhere. If Jazz leads just a handful of people into a lifetime of appreciation for the form then I have no real complaints. One can quibble with omissions, but few can argue about Burns' inclusions. He was encouraged by the number of people complaining that his 17 hour film isn't long enough, and I suppose I would be, too. He also said that so far he's received more angry letters re: omissions in response to his Civil War and Baseball series, which again might stress how minor jazz might be in the grand scheme of things right now. Hopefully Jazz could in part jump start some of that and send people out for more of what he covers. I mean, how could anyone enjoy a one-disc Armstrong and not want to buy the Complete Hot 5s and Hot 7s? Ken told me he's bought about a dozen of them himself for friends. See, people complain that Burns' history is incomplete, but Jazz also stands as one man's testament to his love for the music. We'll see if that enthusiasm spreads at all, but a lot of the main criticisms seem based on his omissions, and as we all know there will always be "someone else" who should have been included. You have to stop somewhere, right? Josh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perdida Subject: (no zorn content) Woelfli and Cronenburg Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:31:55 -0500 Hi all, I've finally exhausted all my leads to find two CDs: Necropolis, Amphibians and Insects (music composed by Adolphe Woelfli but possibly performed by SPK, I *am* a bit confused on this point) and Dead Ringers: Music from the films of David Cronenburg, which was mentioned a while ago on this list. With regard to the latter, I have contacted abvout a dozen soundtrack specialists with no luck. Is it even still available? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Marianne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: toasting burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:21:25 -0800 a huge second to the nomination of henry threadgill as an important jazzman to emerge since 1975.... >From: TagYrIt@aol.com >> > >> >I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, >> >virtually >> >nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. >> Certainly, jazz lost its momentum in terms of linear conceptual development -- dixie, swing, bop, free, fusion. But just because there wasn't a new and easily labelled style doesn't mean nothing of consequence has occurred. We're in a different era of music. It is being created in a cultural context unlike any before it -- the numerous hybrids provide unprecedented possibilities. Besides some of those previously mentioned, how about Cassandra Wilson? She is not groundbreaking in the traditional sense, but is making some beautiful music in a way that hasn't exactly been done before. How about DJ Logic's work with MMW? HOw about Toshinori Kondo? How about the fallout from Astor Piazzolla -- such as Tomasz Stanko's CD last year with bandoneoninst Dino Saluzzi? For me, there are lots of little things of consequence occurring constantly -- and thanks to this list, I'm aware of more of them. 30 years ago, it would have been near impossible for me to be aware of so many different things going on. Burns basically tracks jazz as a popular art. I think most of us zornithologists look eagerly beyond the popular, and that's where we part ways with Mr. Burns. Just as we try to judge music on the basis of what it sets out to do, so should we judge Burns. I found the first episode pleasant, but not much new for me. I was happy to hear Buddy Bolden's story again, but felt the Original Dixieland Band lacked context. I'll probably watch some more of it, but I think it's designed primarily for someone with less exposure to the history of jazz than myself and many of us on this list. Martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer Subject: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:53:07 -0500 Here are two unrelated musical ideas I do not understand. Perhaps others on the Zorn list have some insight into these. 1. A while back, while reading the www.fe.org blurb on Derek Bailey's cd "String Theory" on Paratactile, I ran into the phrase "whole sound" and queried the list about it. I got some good replies. As a follow up, I eventually purchased and listened to this cd and this is my new question, "What is the point of having the world-renown master of non-idiomatic improvisational guitar record a feedback album?" Absolutely the dullest DB album I have ever heard (although I have by no means heard them all). This is the only DB record I have heard where there is no sense of it being DB on guitar. Can you imagine a DB album where you cannot even tell that it is DB playing? Did somebody on the list find something to listen to in this cd that I did not? 2. Recently read the blurb on the new Christian Marclay, Thurston Moore, and Lee Ranaldo cd, "Fuck Shit Up" on Victo. Excerpt follows: "Feedback rose and fell in heaving crescendos, drum sticks were inserted between strings, and for an hour and change, a wall of beautiful noise was erected, then smashed to bits, with no pesky backbeats or melodies to upset mesmeric abandon." Hmm. So no rhythm and no melody and pretentiously proud of it. Am I the only one to whom this advertisement screams: "If you didn't like Borbetomagus ten years ago...stay away!"? I know I ought not to judge a book by its cover but that is exactly what I am reduced to in this case. Has anyone ever heard a good Thurston Moore improv album? I can dig a lot of Sonic Youth (e.g. Washing Machine) but Moore's Klangfarbenmelodie with Tom Surgal was to me uninspired at best. The MMMR disc with Loren Mazzacane Connors, Thurston Moore, Lee Ranaldo & Jean-Marc Montera induced only one emotion: the wish that Loren Mazzacane Connors was playing by himself (or maybe with Haino instead, heh heh heh). David "ordinarily a fan of DB and T. Moore" K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:47:27 EST In a message dated 1/9/01 1:03:13 PM, JKlein2373@aol.com writes: << You have to stop somewhere, right? >> sure, so why not make it 1965? if he had just called it "Jazz: 1900-1965" and dropped the final episode, I think he'd be catching much less flak from aficionados. I do have a question for anyone who saw Burns' Baseball documentary. I've read that he treated baseball in the same way as jazz, as a historical subject. but what does this actually mean? did he talk about Jackie Robinson? did he make it as far as Babe Ruth? was Honus Wagner cited as the prototypical modern player? just curious. and I don't know if I was the one who recommended Mingus At Antibes, although it's the one I always suggest starting with. some other great ones from the same time period are Blues and Roots, New Tijuana Moods, Oh Yeah, Mingus Ah Um, and Mingus Dynasty. I was never as big a fan of The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady as these others. Mingus is definitely better experienced through entire original albums, rather than on a compilation. personally, I didn't see much of part 1. every time I turned it on, Wynton was pretending to be a historian, so I switched back to a live form of improvisation, basketball. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 09 Jan 2001 11:07:11 -0800 On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:53:07 -0500 David Keffer wrote: > > 2. > Recently read the blurb on the new Christian Marclay, Thurston Moore, and > Lee Ranaldo cd, "Fuck Shit Up" on Victo. Excerpt follows: "Feedback rose I was at the show and found it quite dull and uninspired... I did not feel that anything was happening. Moore and Ranaldo made they patented noise, and Marclay did his thing. I would be curious to hear what people think of the record after a few listenings. > and fell in heaving crescendos, drum sticks were inserted between strings, > and for an hour and change, a wall of beautiful noise was erected, then > smashed to bits, with no pesky backbeats or melodies to upset mesmeric > abandon." Hmm. So no rhythm and no melody and pretentiously proud of it. > Am I the only one to whom this advertisement screams: "If you didn't like > Borbetomagus ten years ago...stay away!"? I know I ought not to judge a > book by its cover but that is exactly what I am reduced to in this case. > Has anyone ever heard a good Thurston Moore improv album? I personaly can't remember of any (but I have stopped jumping on them). But it is one of these situations where you are in either camp: you like them all (because, that's my guess, if you start to question one, you take the risk of having to reconsider all of them, and there might be few that pass the test), or you can survive without any. I feel a little bit like you and the "good-at-everything" reputation of some artists is getting annoying. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Burn the Smithsonian as well... Date: 09 Jan 2001 14:26:05 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > Yeah, the Smithsonian set was great -- it was what turned me on to > Coltrane, Ornette, and Cecil Taylor. (Odd that I don't remember the > earlier material at all, and that I remember hearing the Art Ensemble > of Chicago on it, who according to a check of the track listing weren't > actually there.) Yes, it's brilliant in what it chooses to cover, especially the early stuff. It's a valuable tool and the basis of most beginning jazz history courses. But remember that when the set was updated for CD in 1991, it suffered from exactly the same problem that has marred Burns' gameplan: an intentional myopia about contemporary musical trends since Coltrane, Ornette and Taylor. The original LP box concludes its chronology with Ornette's "Lonely Woman" and "Congeniality" (from 'The Shape of Jazz to Come,' 1959) and a segment from "Free Jazz" (1960), Coltrane's "Alabama" (from 'Live at Birdland, 1963) and Taylor's "Enter Evening" (from 'Unit Structures,' 1966). This is all reasonable, perhaps, though I'd argue that the omission of Albert Ayler is glaring and obvious - the music that he and his followers made is not entirely predicated by the one lone Coltrane cut. I'd also argue that a fragment of "Free Jazz" is not especially helpful - to understand the structure and logic of the piece, it's vital to hear the whole thing. I remember the instructor in a pathetic jazz class I took in college playing that track and all the slackers and cheerleaders in the class tittering about the chaotic noise. The instructor actually joined in the jeering. I was moved to speak up and explain the concept and structure of the piece and argue that an excerpt couldn't suffice (yes, I was already a preachy loudmouth in 1987). By the time the set was transfered to CD, many years had passed, obviously. Numerous styles and schools of music had arisen. But does the updated box reflect this? No. It adds one track only: the World Saxophone Quartet's "Steppin'" (from 'Steppin' with the WSQ,' 1978). No 'Meditations' or 'Interstellar Space.' No 'Bitches Brew.' No Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Return to Forever, or Headhunters. No Braxton, Threadgill or Art Ensemble. No 'Dancing in Your Head.' No representation of the Rivbea loft scene. No ECM - Metheny, Jarrett, etc., etc. No John Carter, whose majestic 'Roots and Folklore' series was complete by '89. No representation of the composer/leaders of the '80s such as James Newton and Anthony Davis, who created a new kind of "third stream" and have since virtually disappeared - one track from 'I've Known Rivers' would have sufficed. (It's a bit ironic to me that Jonathan F. P. Rose, who documented Carter, Newton and Davis and so much other vital jazz of the '80s on his Gramavision label, is now one of the heads of Jazz at Lincoln Center.) No Wynton Marsalis. While I don't love all of the above equally, I do feel strongly that they should all have been represented in the update. Perhaps it was forgivable to stop short of the burgeoning Downtown scene since it was still forming and nobody knew what the most important stuff would be from a historical perspective - and no, I'm not stumping for inclusion of Zorn, as he's pretty clearly NOT a jazz musician primarily. I suppose the omission of Europeans is intentional, though you get into some trouble there, as well - Europeans have been making vital contributions to jazz as far back as Django and the Hot Club, and the British, German and Dutch schools of free improv and post-modernism are all incredibly important. And, like Burns supposedly, the box overlooks Latin jazz as well. I enjoyed the Smithsonian box when I was learning the music, and it's still a great place to start. But by not updating the set to reflect the late '60s, '70s and '80s, after a certain point it becomes a liability. Judging from last night's episode, the same could be said for the Burns film. It was beautiful for what it was - though I found Wynton's affectations annoying in the extreme and nearly wet myself listening to Stanley Crouch avoiding an honest explanation of what "Jelly Roll" actually meant. And if a few more people get turned on to jazz, fine. But as scholar Scott DeVeaux said in the Sunday New York Times (one of a group of fascinating testimonials from experts ranging from Lorraine Gordon to Joe Lovano to Jason Moran and even Michael Dorf), in framing the music in such a way that the only significant things to happen since 1964 are Dexter Gordon's return from Europe and the ascendance of Marsalis's neo-conservatism, well, then perhaps you're going to sell some CDs but you are NOT going to move people into the clubs to hear live jazz made by living musicians. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ornette Coleman, "Eventually," 'Beauty Is a Rare Thing: The Complete Atlantic Recordings' (Rhino) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: OT: The Stylophone Date: 09 Jan 2001 14:39:30 EST Is anyone here familiar with this instrument, and possibly artists that have experimented with it in the past? Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dirlack@t-online.de (Bjoern Dirlack) Subject: Re: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 09 Jan 2001 20:55:16 +0100 > 1. > Derek Bailey's cd "String Theory" on Paratactile > Absolutely the dullest DB album I have ever heard (although I have by no means > heard them all). > This is the only DB record I have heard where there is no sense of it being DB > on guitar. Can you imagine a DB album where you cannot even tell that it > is DB playing? Did somebody on the list find something to listen to in > this cd that I did not? Unfortunately my dealer didn´t supply it so far. On all my DB records (about 70) he don´t play like in your description. But in the last time I was sometimes disappointed ("Mirakle" on Tzadik). > 2. > Has anyone ever heard a good Thurston Moore improv album? A really lovely guitar album is "Please Just Leave Me (my Paul Desmond)" on Pure. TM uses some feedback within a tender structure. The cd culminates in ........ (Well - you MUST buy it yourself!) Bjoern. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style Date: 09 Jan 2001 14:55:53 -0500 Nils wrote: > i find these two articles make a nice complement to the > thorough ass-kissing that the music reviewers delivered > when reflecting upon the soundtrack to this series. I suppose there has indeed been some ass-kissing going on, but there's a pretty devastating slam of the film in the Chicago Tribune today: http://chicagotribune.com/leisure/artsandentertainment/printedition/article/0,2669,SAV-0101070351,FF.html Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jacky Terrasson, "A Paris," 'A Paris...' (Blue Note) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:11:52 -0800 >>>4) The inevitable argument that I have come to appreciate: since jazz accounts for about 2% of all record stores, anything that gets people to buy albums from Armstrong through Davis is a good thing.<<< Where is Chick Corea when we need him? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:14:18 -0800 >>>personally, I didn't see much of part 1. every time I turned it on, Wynton was pretending to be a historian<<< Every time I turned it on he was talking about jazz's connections with prostitution, i.e., he was doing what he does best.....pimp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Re: OT: The Stylophone Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:46:43 -0500 At 02:39 PM 1/9/01 -0500, BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: >artists that have >experimented with it in the past? Kraftwerk (Pocket Calculator) David Bowie (Space Odyssey) Rolf Harris Rick Wakeman Pulp Belle and Sebastian Sampled stylophone : Orbital << the new single had been made entirely of Stylophone samples >> http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,560,00.html Stylophone Skinny << a short-lived project based entirely around the concept of making a mutant form of drum 'n' bass out of sampled stylophone sounds by ex-pelt/yoghurt belly members Tim (Boswell) and Mark (Watson) >> http://www.noisebox.co.uk/band_stylo.htm Links : "The stylophone website" http://www.stylophone.fsnet.co.uk/ Stylophone for VST simulation (PC only) http://membres.tripod.fr/SoundsManiacs/ downloadable there http://209.211.248.205/software/vstplugs/p19.cfm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors Subject: shows in vt or nh? Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:52:58 -0800 (PST) I recently moved to vt, any advice on venues and musicians? Burlington is my first bet, or nothampton. Two weeks out of nyc and I am itching to see some live groups. Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:01:28 -0500 (EST) --- JKlein2373@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > 1) While I agree that the series is deficient on the > last forty years but I can only imagine the problems inherent in ending a 17 hour film with a few more hours on fuzak, improv, noise, and cross polination stuff > like M-Base or even Zorn. History is still being > written, and Burns indicated he would like to come back to this film a few years down the line. Sigh, here we go. Yes history is still being written and rewritten and altered. But it doesn't change the fact that Burns encapsulated 40 years of jazz history -- i.e. 2/5 ths of its existence into his final program. Burns series and myriad tie-ins: books--DVDs--CDs--comic books--bubble gum etc.could essentially have been done in 1960 or 1970. To assert that Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman, to name two, haven't had as important an influence on jazz since 1960 as Ellington, Bird nd Louis did beforehand is to fit the facts to the thesis. 4) The inevitable argument that I have come to > appreciate: since jazz accounts for about 2% of all record stores, anything that gets people to buy > albums from Armstrong through Davis is a good thing. > Jazz best-ofs are questionable, but at least Burns was able to combine catalogs for more definitive samplers.If Jazz leads just a handfulof people into a lifetime of appreciation for the form then I have no real complaints. I mean,how could anyone enjoy a > one-disc Armstrong and not want to buy the Complete > Hot 5s and Hot 7s? Ken told me he's bought about a dozen of them himself for friends. That old canard. No, the same handful of people would get into some form of jazz, whether it be Masada, Lester Young, the Dukes of Dixieland or Dexter Gordon with or without Burns. Most of us managed to do it. For years I've heard the argument that people who hear Chuck Mangione or Weather Report or The Crusaders or Glen Miller or Al Jarreau or John Klemmer etc. etc. will then be drawn to the "real thing". Tain't so. For every one person who investigates the form more deeply, nine others will stick to what they first heard. Why do you think the record companies have welcomed Burns with open arms -- it's a chance to sell more of their catalogue. I'd be surprised if many of the people turned on by the Armstrong anthology buy the Hot 5s. They've already filled up the early jazz niche in their collections, haven't they? And what if the folks who pick up the Coltrane set stumble on Ascension or Meditations? One listen and most likely they'll be dragging the CDs be back to the store for a new Kenny G disk. Most of us don't begrudge Burns (and by extension Marsalis) his take on the music. It's just that this "event" makes it the definitive view of jazz. If half the money and publicity that is going into the series went to a living jazz musician ... Ken Waxman _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:28:10 -0500 On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 05:01:28PM -0500, Ken Waxman wrote: > If half the money and publicity that is going into the > series went to a living jazz musician ... Does anyone happen to know what the budget for the project actually was? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 09 Jan 2001 17:46:49 -0500 David Keffer wrote: > Did somebody on the list find something to listen to in > this cd that I did not? fwiw, I'm also not too crazy about this one. A couple of the tracks have a nice delicacy about them, very similar to what he often does (for short durations) during his live shows. But much of the rest of it strikes me as...just feedback and the tracks with Vanessa Mackness sound like unsuccessful stabs at a Lucier-like experiment. > I know I ought not to judge a > book by its cover but that is exactly what I am reduced to in this case. Like Patrice, I didn't think the show was anything special (though not revoltingly bad, either). I give Moore credit for exposing outside rock fans to other types of music, but I've never heard anything of his that made me want to run out and buy it. At the show in question, younger members of the audience seemed thrilled when Marclay began shattering vinyl against the mic, etc. All for the good if it breaks down some psychic wall on what music is, I suppose, but a little tired if you've been around the block once or twice. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otis Wheeler Subject: Re: shows in vt or nh? Date: 09 Jan 2001 19:10:34 -0500 >I recently moved to vt, any advice on venues and musicians? Burlington >is my first bet, or nothampton. Two weeks out of nyc and I am itching >to see some live groups. Thanks in advance. Flywheel (http://www.flywheelarts.org/), ten minutes outside of Northampton, schedules some good shows from time to time, especially in their New Music series. Artists I've seen play there include Kevin Drumm, Major Stars, High Rise, Volcano the Bear, Paul Flaherty, and Nmperign (in fact, Bhob Rainey is playing there in Feb). Michael Ehlers runs Eremite Records in Northampton and heads the Conway New Music Society, which puts on ecstatic-jazz and more out-there shows at a church in Amherst. I wish the performances were more regular, but I shouldn't complain about a venue which has hosted Loren Mazzacane Connors, NNCK, and 3/8ths of the original Peter Brotzmann Octet (separately, of course). Check Eremite's page for info (http://www.eremite.com/). Brotzmann's Die Like A Dog Trio is actually touring in April, I'm sure they'll play Burlington and Amherst. Godfigure Byron Coley, he of Forced Exposure and Ecstatic Peace fame, lives in the area and occasionally hosts ungodly good concerts (Stefan Jaworzyn, Pelt, Six Organs of Admittance, etc.) at his loft in Florence, a couple minutes outside Northampton, at which you will invariably run into people like the girls in Sleater-Kinney or Thurston Moore (but then, you'll run into Thurston no matter where you go, especially since he and Kim live in Noho). The concerts are rare and hardly publicized; emailing Coley and asking to be put on the mailing list is probably your best bet. Coley's Ecstatic Yod store (http://www.yod.com/) is in that same building in Florence and definitely worth checking out for tasty avant-garde flotsam. As far as local musicians, Chris Corsano, who works at Coley's store, is a great up-and-coming drummer. I've seen him put on dandy shows with Paul Flaherty and Matt Heyner, among others. Ben Karetnick of Greenfield or Brattleboro (I forget) is another ace free-jazz drummer, who I've seen play with Joe McPhee and Sabir Mateen. Joshua Burkett is a nice gent who works at Mystery Train in Amherst and is definitely worth hearing if you have a chance, he plays at Coley's store sometimes - great fragile bedroom psych. Yusef Lateef and Milford Graves both teach at local colleges, but enrolling in their classes is really your only chance at hearing them play, as they don't get out much. The Hooker-Dunham gallery in Brattleboro is worth watching for the occasional avant-garde concert or theatre project. Also notable for being the greatest cellarhole venue I've ever seen, with good gallery walks and cheap b-movies. Pearl St., the Iron Horse, and the Calvin are all owned by the same guy, who holds fascistic reign over the Northampton scene, but at least they schedule decent big-name acts time to time. Frank Black will be at the Iron Horse this Saturday. The Higher Ground (http://www.highergroundmusic.com/), just outside Burlington, gets a lot of the same acts as Pearl St. and the Iron Horse. Signal to Noise magazine (http://www.signaltonoisemagazine.org/) is run out of Burlington and in addition to being a decent rag covering improv, experimental, and roots shit, holds its own concert series. Otis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Burn the Smithsonian as well... Date: 10 Jan 2001 01:32:07 -0000 >From: Steve Smith >Yes, it's brilliant in what it chooses to cover, especially the early >stuff. >It's a valuable tool and the basis of most beginning jazz history courses. >But >remember that when the set was updated for CD in 1991, it suffered from >exactly >the same problem that has marred Burns' gameplan: an intentional myopia >about >contemporary musical trends since Coltrane, Ornette and Taylor. Well, I basically agree with you Steve with a few qualifications. As I recall, the Smithsonian referred to the period it covered "classic jazz." I took this to mean, or perhaps, one could take this to mean a "classical period" in jazz, which is to say, prior to the "modern" period. Unlike Mr. Burns, it did not suggest in such a phrase an exhaustive account. And unlike the CD tie-ins to this series, the Smithsonian was quite thorough in its coverage of particular artists--multiple LP boxes. What the Smithsonian series suffered from was the tendentious view of the history associated with its advisor Martin Williams, who nonetheless is a capable and important scholar of the music. Certainly, he's a lot smarter than either Burns or Marsalis, though his bias against fusion was one of his limitations. That Marsalis is so prominently featured in Burn's series suggests both the marketing intent of this particular "history" and the bad ideological construct of the narrative. The "Wyntonization" of jazz and of "Jazz" has grooved all too nicely with capital process and a calcification of the music, one that would elide its more progressive and challenging elements and its radical fringes. Burn's account and Marsalis' ideology are just nostalgia masquerading as aesthetic certitude and being sold rather easily to a maudlin middle-class quick to grab Walmart packaging. Wynton is the "Walmartization" of jazz, and Ken Burns is the librarian of this well-scrubbed storehouse. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 23:01:03 -0500 >Sigh, here we go. Yes history is still being written >and rewritten and altered. But it doesn't change the >fact that Burns encapsulated 40 years of jazz history >-- i.e. 2/5 ths of its existence into his final >program. I have a belief that there are some fundamental reasons why popular forms of music are more popular and that is that they appeal to a larger audience. I don't like it but Britney Spears is immensely popular. I have a gut feeling that it can't be wholly a result of the Britney marketing machine and boob job. There are some things that are just more important to Ken Burns, Wynton, and other folks. We on this email list are in a minority and when we say "how can one not include Weather Report" (or another influential "jazz" group that existed after 1970) many people can think of a lot of reasons why not. I'm not saying they're right but I am not saying that they're wrong either. If it wasn't for Armstrong, Ellington, and some of the others mentioned in the first two episodes, there may not exist the "jazz" that we have today and without jazz as it is we may not have Zorn as he is now. It is interesting to talk about the origins and history of an art form. I also believe that it's interesting to talk about where things are today. But I would bet that my parents would be more interested in the jazz story Ken tells than they would be in Zorn or Ornette. Is the film only for people like my parents and not for us? No. I have already learned something and I bet most of us have/would too. Would I like there to be extensive coverage of Berne, Frisell, Jarrett, Corea, Zorn, etc.? Yes. Someone ought to make a film. It took me along time to get into even Frisell's music. At first I didn't like it at all. I bought and sold Bitches Brew because I didn't like it at all and found I had to buy it again. Things aren't extremely popular because they aren't accessible to a large audience. And perhaps that may be a metric for wheat to include and what not to include in the film. >If half the money and publicity that is going into the >series went to a living jazz musician ... We'd have ONE well funded musician. Dan Hewins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: (no zorn content) Wolfi Date: 10 Jan 2001 04:04:32 -0000 >From: perdida >Subject: (no zorn content) Woelfli and Cronenburg >I've finally exhausted all my leads to find two CDs: Necropolis, >Amphibians and Insects (music composed by Adolphe Woelfli but possibly >performed by SPK... The CD is called 'Musique Brut Collection' and combines 2 LPs originally released separately: 'The Insect Musicians' & 'Necropolis, Amphibians & Reptiles'. The music is 'performed' by Graeme Revell(the mainstay in SPK), in the case of 'The Insect Musicians' he has taken insect sounds and sampled them through the Fairlight computer, in the case of Adolf Wolfi's music, he gives little indication of instrumentation, other than to indicate that violin is featured on one piece (I think the Fairlight was used for these recordings as well). There is a spoken piece 'Allgebrah', done by Matthias Boehm in (Swiss?) German. Comes in a slipcase with a nifty booklet, interesting info about Wolfi. It was put out in 1994 by Mute Records. If you have no luck finding it, contact me offlist... Peace Out! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: re: thurston moore improv Date: 09 Jan 2001 22:36:19 -0600 (CST) david keffer escrito: Has anyone ever heard a good Thurston Moore improv album? i reply: i only have one: 'the promise', thurston moore/evan parker/walter prati, materiali sonori MASO CD 90106. i like this one, perhaps because of the presence of prati, whose computer processing lends the proceedings a distinctly 'evan parker electroacoustic ensemble' sound. moore's guitar gives the music a sort of punkish sound by virtue of his distorted guitar. the last time i listened to it, i decided it started out sort of weak (or perhaps 'standard-prati-manipulates-parker' with moore adding not much by way of his guitar), but then developed into distinctly new territory, blending moore's low-brow american-punk guitar with prati and parker's academic euro-noise. fun stuff. i haven't been moved to look into any other of moore's improv, as it isn't necessarily moore who makes the album work for me - it's the three of them together. right, then. that's that. claythorps, whit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Ken Burns Date: 09 Jan 2001 20:49:57 -0800 >>>Things aren't extremely popular because they aren't accessible to a large audience.<<< That's why I just want to fall on my knees in gratitude when I sit with 30 or 40 people in one of the largest cities in the world and watch and listen to the likes of Cecil Taylor. Sure beats seeing him at the Staples Center. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: efzeg live on the web Date: 09 Jan 2001 22:50:12 -0800 (PST) I ran across this on another list and thought it might be of interest; hope this isn't redundant. ----s >From: "n0!s" >Reply-To: chi-improv@egroups.com >To: chi-improv@egroups.com >Subject: [chi-improv] efzeg >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:48:47 +0100 > >efzeg impft rhiz (josefstädter gürtel) > >hauf.13.roisz.siewert.stangl > >sunday 14.1.01 > >be there. >or. >watch life web-stream @ http://www.rhiz.org >vienna - 21h >jarkarta - 3 am >bay area - noon >chicago - 2pm >ny - 3pm >london - 8pm > >http://www.sil.at/hauf >HTTP://dieb13.klingt.org/ >http://www.klingt.org/gnu/ >http://www.charhizma.com/comforts/siewert.html >http://www.durian.at/scripts/duriart.cgi?index=11 >http://www.durian.at > > >"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." > ....George W. Bush, Jr. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: marsalis as historian Date: 10 Jan 2001 09:46:35 -0800 thought the second episode was much better, thorough, informative. i found the bit on paul whiteman enlightening, and i was delighted to learn of james reece europe, who i'd never heard of before. someone said something to the effect of marsalis "acting like a historian." IMHO, he's pretty darn good historian acting like a musician. i enjoy his bits when he picks up the horn. martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joslyn Layne" Subject: Re: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 10 Jan 2001 13:33:17 -0500 ------ "Recently read the blurb on the new Christian Marclay, Thurston Moore, and Lee Ranaldo cd, "Fuck Shit Up" on Victo..." ------ I was at this show, too, and was bored silly and pissed off that the Victo festival ended on such a self-indulgent note (and this, keeping in mind the higher self-indulgence tolerance level that need accompany the usually interesting FIMAV). especially disappointing when you consider some of the really excellent - or at least intriguing - concerts that year, including the Brotzmann Tentet's performance. i could not recommend a recording of the Marclay/Moore/Ranaldo concert considering there are so many really interesting records out there, by these 3 as well. i'm also interested to hear what Patrice and Brian thought of the Fatima Miranda show (wasn't that the same year?)? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: marsalis as hysterian Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:03:56 -0000 >someone said something to the effect of marsalis "acting like a >historian." IMHO, he's pretty darn good historian acting like a musician. Beware! Marsalis is trying to rewrite the history of jazz to suit his own needs and retro tastes...perhaps that is why this series spends so little time on the revolutionary developments in jazz from the '60s on... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:45:36 -0800 On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:33:17 -0500 "Joslyn Layne" wrote: > > i'm also interested to hear what Patrice and Brian thought of the > Fatima Miranda show (wasn't that the same year?)? I was not too crazy about it. It was quite theatrical and, in my opinion, did not fit too well the spirit of the festival. She is definitely an amazing singer and she has a strong presence. It is just that, past the first 10 mn, the emphasis moved away from music to theatrical performance. In short, you do not go to Victo to listen to artists like Fatima. Every year, Victo has an opening show (or almost opening) which I assume is intended to please the officials/sponsors. In 1998, it was "Riel" by Guilbeault (a grand spectacle for the whole family, with joy and tears, including singing a la Celine Dion). In 1999, I thought it was Fatima. Last year, it was Paul Cram (sp?). It is almost like a bad pill to take, but you feel much better after :-). That may be why some people seem to skip the first day. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reuben Radding Subject: Burns, Marsalis, and etc Date: 10 Jan 2001 13:55:19 -0800 Ten years ago I would have been just as critical as the rest of you when it comes to the assumed exclusion of recent Jazz and improvised music in Ken Burns' PBS documentary. Today I really don't see what the big deal is. Burns' previous documentary, BASEBALL, could be criticized for the same greater attention to the past than the present, and yet any fan can easily admit that his documentation of the history or "golden era" of that sport was phenomenal. If the first two installments of JAZZ are typical of what follows it looks like this piece will be more of the same, and I welcome it. So far, many things have impressed me: the photos, the music, the sense of culture, the willingness to recognize the white contributions to the artform, the accurate representation of the spread of Jazz to Chicago and New York, and the cultural migrations associated with it...this is a good thing. Of course there is nostalgia and a retrocentric attitude at work. So what? The resentment being thrown at Burns and Marsalis strikes me as sour grapes. Creative music or the avant garde is played with different criteria from so-called Jazz. There is Jazz in it, but also elements of many other musics, more and more all the time. What gives us the right any more than Wynton to claim to be the "real" manifestation of the creative spirit of Jazz? I say let them have Jazz. The cultural concensus is clear, and Jazz is the property of the retrocentric replicators. I have grown to feel that we (creative musicians) are better off thinking of ourselves as the modern manifestation of the avant garde tradition, not the so-called Jazz tradition. What is to be gained from claiming to be Jazz? Legitimacy? Audience? Setting the record straight? With all the Rock sensibilities in creative music, and the european experimental elements, Cagean constructs, world folk music, and the myriad other things now sometimes even overpowering the contributuions of the Free Jazz 60's and 70's, how do we judge ourselves as being more legitimately Jazz than we are avant garde or folk, or whatever? But really, what is the point? The argument over what is Jazz, or real Jazz, or not Jazz is an old tired one that never had much relevance anyway! The arguments of 70 years ago about Swing vs. Jazz were dumb then and they didn't get any smarter when the argument changed to questioning "Does Bebop Swing?" or "Is Free Jazz still Jazz?" Does the swing eighth-note define Jazz as a genre? We need questions and arguments that are more relevant to the proccess of how our music is made and presented. Just because it's often improvised and sometimes uses Jazz instruments isn't good enough for me anymore. Is Wynton's music Jazz? Are there non-Jazz influences in early Jazz? If so, do our non-Jazz influences make us something else, or are we also Jazz? If the so-called Jazz establishment thinks we aren't Jazz, or aren't important, is there another history that is more relevant to us? Is Wynton's music avant garde? Are there so-called straight-ahead Jazz musicians who display an influence by the avant garde? Would we include them in a history of our tradition? Where does our tradition begin? With Ornette? Coltrane? Ellington? Cage? Stravinsky? Schoenberg? Bach? Ancient China or India? Isn't our tradition both older than Jazz as well as parallel to it? We love unchanged folk traditions and consider them seperate from modern fusions of same, but Jazz, we seem to think, needs to be unified? Why? Is Hip Hop music funk? Is it Rock? If a Hip Hop group uses Rock elements is it a part of Rock? If a Hip Hop group uses Jazz elements is it part of Jazz? Who decides? What's in it for whom? What are we trying to do? Are we trying to do something different? Are we trying to do something new? Or are we satisfied with the old? Do we love the old for what it is and want to continue on from it? Or do we wish to destroy the past to make a future? Do we fear the future without it? Do we know what to call our future if we cannot call it Jazz? Why should we? -Reuben Radding, bass rrad@drizzle.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: wolfli & per nżrgŒrd Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:30:08 EST hi folks neat-o that right after scelsi comes up talk of the=20 painter adoolf wolfli, to whose work i was intro'd by composer per n=F8rg=E5rd (per norgard, if the diacritical marks dont come through here.) norgard should be known by those who like scelsi. two wolfli paintings adorn the booklet of Point PCD 5070, Norgard Sym 2 & 4. (NOT the american point/polygram). the notes say exposure to the pix and writings of 'the mental deviant wolfli (1864-1930) changed norgard's music.... from 1895 til death 1920 in mental hospital.... his works consist of 20,ooo pgs of prose, portey, pictures... the sym 4 is based on 2 of his paintings; the wtches lake, and the rose garden norgard wrote "such a world of paradoxes- as expressed by wolfli- is what i wanted to create in music an an hommage to wolfli. it is not a matter of describing a psychiatric case. but precisely the connection betw him and myself. my 4th sym is a=20 handshake to a brother, with thanks for a good idea" snorgartd starters: the above disc marco polo dacapo dccd 9002: in between: for cello & orch; remembering child- cto for vla & o- pinchas zukerman da capo dccd 8901: sym 3; twilight, for orch (dacapo distrib by naxos) steve koenig n.p CD-r of me with hans tammen.=20 he's better than me. i'm still very good :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" Subject: Re: shows in vt or nh? Date: 10 Jan 2001 16:50:49 -0500 otis gave a good overview of pretty much everything going on in this neck of the woods. over here at hampshire college in amherst, we've been trying hard to get an "out" music series of sorts going, since most colleges in this area have pretty crummy music. past shows have included matt valentine, golden calves, eugene chadbourne, and k/salvatore. upcoming shows will include matt valentine and pg six, lee ranaldo, loren mazzacane, and possibly nels cline. i'll post events to the list to let folks know. also, a quick word to let you all know that son of earth-flesh on bone trio is playing as part of signal to noise's new music series this friday, the 12th. http://www.signaltonoisemagazine.org/series.html if you want more info on what they do up there... mrk > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:10:34 -0500 >From: Otis Wheeler >Subject: Re: shows in vt or nh? > > >I recently moved to vt, any advice on venues and musicians? Burlington > >is my first bet, or nothampton. Two weeks out of nyc and I am itching > >to see some live groups. Thanks in advance. > >Flywheel (http://www.flywheelarts.org/), ten minutes outside of >Northampton, schedules some good shows from time to time, especially >in their New Music series. Artists I've seen play there include Kevin >Drumm, Major Stars, High Rise, Volcano the Bear, Paul Flaherty, and >Nmperign (in fact, Bhob Rainey is playing there in Feb). > >Michael Ehlers runs Eremite Records in Northampton and heads the >Conway New Music Society, which puts on ecstatic-jazz and more >out-there shows at a church in Amherst. I wish the performances were >more regular, but I shouldn't complain about a venue which has hosted >Loren Mazzacane Connors, NNCK, and 3/8ths of the original Peter >Brotzmann Octet (separately, of course). Check Eremite's page for >info (http://www.eremite.com/). Brotzmann's Die Like A Dog Trio is >actually touring in April, I'm sure they'll play Burlington and >Amherst. > >Godfigure Byron Coley, he of Forced Exposure and Ecstatic Peace fame, >lives in the area and occasionally hosts ungodly good concerts >(Stefan Jaworzyn, Pelt, Six Organs of Admittance, etc.) at his loft >in Florence, a couple minutes outside Northampton, at which you will >invariably run into people like the girls in Sleater-Kinney or >Thurston Moore (but then, you'll run into Thurston no matter where >you go, especially since he and Kim live in Noho). The concerts are >rare and hardly publicized; emailing Coley and asking to be put on >the mailing list is probably your best bet. Coley's Ecstatic Yod >store (http://www.yod.com/) is in that same building in Florence and >definitely worth checking out for tasty avant-garde flotsam. > >As far as local musicians, Chris Corsano, who works at Coley's store, >is a great up-and-coming drummer. I've seen him put on dandy shows >with Paul Flaherty and Matt Heyner, among others. Ben Karetnick of >Greenfield or Brattleboro (I forget) is another ace free-jazz >drummer, who I've seen play with Joe McPhee and Sabir Mateen. Joshua >Burkett is a nice gent who works at Mystery Train in Amherst and is >definitely worth hearing if you have a chance, he plays at Coley's >store sometimes - great fragile bedroom psych. Yusef Lateef and >Milford Graves both teach at local colleges, but enrolling in their >classes is really your only chance at hearing them play, as they >don't get out much. > >The Hooker-Dunham gallery in Brattleboro is worth watching for the >occasional avant-garde concert or theatre project. Also notable for >being the greatest cellarhole venue I've ever seen, with good gallery >walks and cheap b-movies. Pearl St., the Iron Horse, and the Calvin >are all owned by the same guy, who holds fascistic reign over the >Northampton scene, but at least they schedule decent big-name acts >time to time. Frank Black will be at the Iron Horse this Saturday. >The Higher Ground (http://www.highergroundmusic.com/), just outside >Burlington, gets a lot of the same acts as Pearl St. and the Iron >Horse. Signal to Noise magazine >(http://www.signaltonoisemagazine.org/) is run out of Burlington and >in addition to being a decent rag covering improv, experimental, and >roots shit, holds its own concert series. > >Otis > >- - > >------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: "Meet American Composers" at the Miller Theatre, January 8 Date: 10 Jan 2001 17:21:45 -0500 Miller Theatre director George Steel presented a splendid program, "Meet American Composers," on Monday. Steel and his co-host Jamie Bernstein Thomas interviewed Daniel Schnyder, John Zorn, Kurt Rohde, Daniel Bernard Roumain, and Julia Wolfe during the 2-1/2 hour session. Each performance was prefaced with an interview and followed by a concluding discussion. Violinist Maja Cerar and pianist Jon Novacek performed Zorn's "Le Momo." Zorn noted that the composition is based on Antonin Artaud's poem of the same title, which translates as "village idiot" or "brat." The poem is an account of Artaud's return to society after his stay in insane asylums. Zorn said the work exemplifies the stretching of boundaries between the possible and the impossible, or sanity and insanity, and that frequent jumps and skips in the score represent electric shocks Artaud experienced during his incarceration. The piece is one long set of pitches, often performed at blistering speed. Steel observed a Messiaen influence; Zorn agreed and mentioned Scriabin as well. The performers commented on the difficulty of the piece: Cerar even described the loss of skin and blood during her "Le Momo" practice sessions. According to Zorn, the recording of "Le Momo" by Stephen Drury and Jennifer Choi will be released in March. Zorn emphasized that he focuses on composing classical works now. He cited his tiredness of travel as a factor, or as he put it, "schlepping all over the world." One of his current projects is a group of songs for voice and piano set to a haiku. He stressed that working with text challenges him. In this case, he said he solved the text problem by writing a vocalise for a long duration and completing the haiku quickly at the conclusion. Future projects could include a double concerto and another quartet. Steel mentioned he may program Zorn's Violin Concerto at the Miller Theater next year. I was delighted to hear that it was a runner-up for a Pulitzer Prize. Zorn mentioned an upcoming CD release of "easy-listening music" --suitable "for lovers only"--to be played in bookstores or "high-end Japanese restaurants." I believe Les Baxtor's music will be used, among others. The interviewers thought he was joking, but he said he was serious. He has wanted to release music suitable for a restaurant or store setting, but certainly not meant for elevators or Starbucks. A few words about the rest of the program: Schnyder's "Sonatine Exotique," which incorporates French music with subtle jazz undertones, was performed by Cerar and Novacek. Schnyder, Swiss by birth, is a saxophonist who has resided in New York City for many years. By chance, all the composers on the program are also performers. Steel noted a resurgence in composer-performers, a dual role more common prior to the twentieth century. Violist Nokuthula Ngwenyama and pianist Melvin Chen performed Rohde's "Six Character Pieces for Viola and Piano." The composition's circumstances of commission are interesting: Ngwenyama saw a blurb about Rohde in a Curtis Institute of Music alumni newsletter and decided to contact him out of curiosity because it was stated that he is both a composer and a violist. (The two did not know each other as Curtis students.) Apparently Rohde is not very well-known; I'm interested in checking out more of his work. Daniel Bernard Roumain was certainly the most dynamic of the composers. He was full of ideas related to hip-hop vs. classical, European rhythm vs. American rhythm, the role of minority artists (especially African-American), criticisms of concert music, problems inherent in the interpretation of notated music, composer-choreographer collaborations (he works with the great Bill T. Jones), and suggestions for improved music education. He said an enormous amount in a short period of time, too much for me to summarize here. Check out his site for more information: www.DBRMusic.com. Roumain referred to Zorn often in his interview, calling him his "hero." At one point he compared the intended degrees of "forte" for Bach, Beethoven, Mahler, and Zorn. Roumain's imitations for each composer increased in volume and finally culminated in a loud scream for Zorn; Roumain enthusiastically jumped up and down, dreadlocks flying. Roumain performed a vibrant, hip-hop influenced groove for concert piano from his series of "Jam!" compositions. Last, the Ethel Quartet performed Bang on a Can cofounder Julia Wolfe's second string quartet, "Early That Summer." The emotional impact of the quartet took me by surprise. Wolfe composed a powerful, physical work with gorgeous melodic lines and intense rhythms. Steel has put together an impressive new music series at the Miller Theatre. Unfortunately the audience was sparse, but this could be due to the rather early start time (4 p.m.). Monday's event was the second installment of the "Meet American Composers" series, and I believe it will continue next year. In case you missed the concert, you can see Cerar and Novacek perform Zorn's "Le Momo" and Schnyder's "Sonatine Exotique" again at the Miller Theatre on February 1. Jeni - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Two things I do not understand (Bailey, Moore) Date: 10 Jan 2001 17:33:10 -0500 Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:33:17 -0500 "Joslyn Layne" wrote: > > > > i'm also interested to hear what Patrice and Brian thought of the > > Fatima Miranda show (wasn't that the same year?)? The Fatima show easily ranked as my least favorite of the festival (out of about 23 shows attended). It'd be hard to detail everything I disliked about it, but "pretentious" sums it up politely. Hard to imagine that it was an off-night, either. ;-) Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: Odysseus 7 Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:01:10 EST I fairly certain this "radio space opera" album by FM Einheit, Ammer and Haage has been mentioned on the list. Might anyone know where to find (or have) a complete translation into English?? Much appreciation if so(!), Joseph - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: thurston moore Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:38:34 EST --part1_64.a372c00.278e689a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have heard little of his improv work, but his solo record "psychic hearts" is very good. i for one, however, was incredibly distraught at the horror Sonic Youth unleashed upon the world entitled "Goodbye 20th Century". i love Sonic Youth, i have damn near everything they have released, but i absolutely dislike this album. it is boring and self-indulgent, and breaks no new ground. the first three in the SYR series were excellent, especially the one with Jim O'rourke..but this one faltered. ah well. i do sympathize with whoever brought up the "Thurston Moore feedback indulgence" topic. ben o. --part1_64.a372c00.278e689a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have heard little of his improv work, but
his solo record "psychic hearts" is very good.
i for one, however, was incredibly distraught at the
horror Sonic Youth unleashed upon the world entitled
"Goodbye 20th Century".  i love Sonic Youth, i have damn
near everything they have released, but i absolutely dislike
this album.  it is boring and self-indulgent, and breaks no
new ground.  the first three in the SYR series were excellent,
especially the one with Jim O'rourke..but this one faltered.
ah well.
i do sympathize with whoever brought up the "Thurston Moore feedback
indulgence" topic.

ben o. --part1_64.a372c00.278e689a_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: thurston moore Date: 10 Jan 2001 20:05:31 -0500 On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:38:34PM -0500, ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > i for one, however, was incredibly distraught at the > horror Sonic Youth unleashed upon the world entitled > "Goodbye 20th Century". i love Sonic Youth, i have damn > near everything they have released, but i absolutely dislike > this album. it is boring and self-indulgent, and breaks no > new ground. the first three in the SYR series were excellent, > especially the one with Jim O'rourke..but this one faltered. > ah well. I don't think the album was supposed to break new ground, since it was looking backward at 20th century composition. I enjoyed it, though I don't listen to it often, and, if the traffic on Usenet was any sign, it served its purpose of turning their audience on to these composers. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Dead Ringers CD Date: 10 Jan 2001 22:22:20 -0500 A few days ago someone posted looking for the CD of the music from Cronenberg's "Dead Ringers". I've dug up (shuffling through unfiled CDs) a CD of symphonic suites from that, "Scanners", and "The Brood", composed and conducted by Howard Shore. If that's what you're looking for, it's available for trade. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colourtone" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #238 Date: 11 Jan 2001 08:33:02 -0000 With regard to the present discussion on the nature of jazz my attention has been drawn to the following: http://www.newscientist.com/features/features_22708.html Does that put the fat in the fire? Richard Gardner - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eisenbeil@aol.com Subject: Cecil Taylor Masterclass Date: 11 Jan 2001 08:26:35 EST FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 11, 2001 Cecil Taylor will be conducting a month long workshop at the Turtle Bay Music School in New York City during February 2001. This master class/ workshop will meet twice a week during the month and then culminate in a concert. The classes will be held on Wednesdays (Feb. 7, 14, 21) from 6-10pm and on Saturdays (Feb. 3, 10, 17, 24) from noon to 4pm. The concert is scheduled for Saturday Feb. 24 at 8pm. The tuition for each participant is $300. This includes all fees for the duration of the masterclass and concert. This letter has been sent to you as an invitation for your participation. Each musician must bring their own instruments. One bass amp will be provided. Turtle Bay Music School is located on 52nd Street between 1st and 2nd avenues. Payment should be sent to: Turtle Bay Music School 244 east 52nd Street New York, NY 10022 Payment for the tuition must be made by January 15th, 2001. Payment will only be accepted in the form of a check. All checks must be made payable to, Turtle Bay Music School and write on the check, Cecil Taylor Masterclass. At this point, because of the imminent deadline, FEDEX the application and tuition or if possible drop the materials off to the school. Be sure the envelope is clearly marked, attention: Cecil Taylor Masterclass. Below is an application form. Name: ______________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________________ Telephone: ____________________ FAX: ________________________ Email: ___________________________ Instrument: _________________________________ Experience: __________________________________________________________ Please direct all questions to Bruce Eisenbeil. He can be reached by the following means: Email: eisenbeil@aol.com Fax: 212-888-2726 For more info and updates see: www.eisenbeil.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: belgian concert Date: 11 Jan 2001 11:55:55 EST anyone anywhere near the area should try to check this out. it's going to be in quadrophonic, and the venue is supposed to have great acoustics. saturday, 20th of january 2001, 20h30 .. m a r c u s s c h m i c k l e r & t h o m a s l e h n .. .. j o h n b u t c h e r & p h i l d u r r a n t .......... ancienne eglise st-andre, place du marche, liege, belgium info: +32 (0)4 2232298 pdelges@radiantslab.com Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: Merzbow / Terre Thaemlitz Date: 11 Jan 2001 12:56:38 -0500 Hello, I'd like to know if there is any kind of official (or at least accurate and well-formed fan page) web site for Merzbow? It's hard to keep up with all his projects, it sure would be nice to be aware of new releases when they happen. Secondly, any recommendations for Terre Thaemlitz CDs? Thanks, Bruno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: Re: Thurston + Acoustiphobia cd w/Marclay, Mori & Sharp Date: 11 Jan 2001 13:04:19 EST Thought I'd join this thread to say that, though I agree that not all of the improv I've seen or heard Thurston do is as good as I'd like it to be (considering I love Sonic Youth, and appreciate Thurston and SY's good deeds in having avante jazz acts open for their concerts, collaborating with various improvisors, and generally spreading the good word to the masses about 20th/21st century "experimental" composers and music, etc) I'll put in a plug for the record I recently released with him on it. It features Thurston with saxophonist Wally Shoup and drummer Toshi Makihara ("Hurricane Floyd", Sublingual Records, SLR007), and I'll spare you my praise of it, since I'm obviously biased, but if you want info and you want to read the great reviews on it, check out www.sublingual.com. Also thought I'd mention a concert he's doing here in Boston on January 24th. The concert is being called "Extended Strings", and it features Thurston with guitarist Nels Cline (collaborator of Julius Hemphill, Vinny Golia, Greg Bendian, and the rock groups Geraldine Fibbers and Scarnella) and electric harpist Zeena Parkins. It takes place on at 8pm in the SMFA’s Anderson Auditorium, and a reception and student "Sound Walk" exhibit will precede the performance from 5 to 8 pm. This performance will function as a release party for the Sublingual Records Double CD set "Acoustiphobia Volume One", a document of last years SMFA Sonic Arts exhibition. (Disc one in the set documents a trio performance by turntablist Christian Marclay, guitarist Elliott Sharp, and drum machine manipulator Ikue Mori. Disc two documents recordings of sonic sculptures created by students from last years SMFA Sonic Arts program.) Admission is $20, info & advance tickets are available at (617)267-1219, and copies of the CD will be available at the show, from Sublingual mail-order, or from Forced Exposure distribution. This performance will be recorded for possible release next year as "Acoustiphobia Volume Two", and is part of the "Dangerous Waves: Art of Sound" series of programs by the Sonic Arts Program at the School of the Museum of Fine Arts (Lauren Weinger, Director, and Doug Henderson, Associate Director) that brings together Museum School students and faculty with pioneering sound artists such as Alvin Lucier, Elliott Sharp, Ron Kuivila, Liz Phillips, and Anney Bonney, among others. Dangerous Waves features exhibitions, a live performance, lectures and a panel discussion on new and adventurous sound experiments. Jonathan LaMaster Sublingual Records www.sublingual.com info@sublingual.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perdida Subject: Woelfli and Cronenburg (no Zorn) Date: 11 Jan 2001 13:20:56 -0500 Thanks to everyone who pitched in with their advice about locating the Dead Ringers and Necroplis CDs. I've closed in on my quarry. I get too many good ideas off this list! M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marianne Catarina Braendlein Centre for the Support of Teaching York University Toronto, Ontario. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Troy Alan Hammond Subject: Following Zorn Date: 11 Jan 2001 11:51:40 -0800 (PST) To any in-the-know individual: are there other Zorn shows happening in the near future other than the Masada get together on April 14th? I would appreciate seeing some calendar. This, surprisingly, is hard to come by on fan pages. Sincerely, Dystopia Membrane Goldstein, FLDc - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Following Zorn Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:55:21 EST In a message dated 1/11/01 2:52:43 PM, shady@gladstone.uoregon.edu writes: << are there other Zorn shows happening in the near future other than the Masada get together on April 14th? >> he's doing an improv night at Tonic (www.tonicnyc.com) on 1/24. Jon www.erstwhilerecordsc.om - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: david torn in TRAFFIC Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) Happy 2001 everyone, I just saw the film TRAFFIC, which I enjoyed. The film had a gently pulsing somewhat ambient score, and when I saw the music credits roll, there was: David Torn (Splattercell) - guitar I also noticed that Flea (!!) of red Hot CHili Peppers fame played bass, and Herbie Hancock's name was there too. When I checked out the sdtrk details, I found that the composer of the score was CLiff Martinez, who apparently once worked with Captain Beefheart's Magic Band. Wow! The degrees of separation close rapidly. ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: Drum week (no JZ) Date: 11 Jan 2001 15:34:31 -0800 and in january, the gods dreamed of tins and skins.... since we're in a historical mode, i notice that saturday was barry altschul's birthday, sunday chano pozo's, monday bill goodwin's, tuesday kenny clarke's, wednesday max roach's and tomorrow r.s. jackson's. next week's not a bad one for drummers either, down just a notch-- gene krupa on monday, al foster on thursday and jimmy cobb on saturday. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee, Edgar" Subject: What is music festival Date: 12 Jan 2001 10:41:28 +1100 For those of you who live in Australia the next What Is Music Festival will soon be on again in February/March. Here is the website. http://www.whatismusic.com/ As well as featuring many local acts such as Oren Ambarchi, Tony Buck, Jim Denley,Greg Kingston, Jon Rose, David Brown, Menstruation Sisters, this year some of the visitors include Pimmon, Hecker, Farmers Market, Makigami Koichi, Pansonic and a heap of others. All of the previous festivals have been a wonderful showcase of what is music ranging from turntables, freejazz, improv, electroacoustic, desktop,noise,drones and so on Edgar - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: thurston moore Date: 12 Jan 2001 09:37:18 +0100 (CET) Hi there! I found surprising that you review positively Sonic Youth's & Jim O'Rourke "Invito al Cielo" and dislike Moore's improv work. I entirely share your love of Sonic Youth and found the two first SYR releases excellent. However, "Invito al Cielo" and "Goodbye 20th Century" are for me at the same level of self-indulgence, specially the former. How did you manage to listen to "Goodbye..." in its entirety? Last but not least, I'd like to recommend those of you who have not heard the Ikue Mori/DJ Logic/Kim Gordon CD from Sonic Youth Recordings. Bye, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Following Zorn Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:54:18 +0100 >From: Troy Alan Hammond > >To any in-the-know individual: >are there other Zorn shows happening in the near future >other than the Masada get together on April 14th? >I would appreciate seeing some calendar. >This, surprisingly, is hard to come by on fan pages. >Sincerely, >Dystopia Membrane Goldstein, FLDc what about that from the Ribot website: Emergency (Medeski, Ribot & Zorn) Mercury Longue NYC Show Times: 8:30 & 10:30 p.m. Tickets: $15 Nonetheless a good Zorn website would be very helpful - like the exemplary ones of Dave Douglas or Ellery Eskelin - to follow current activities and concert schedules... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: RE: Following Zorn - A GREAT DAY IN NY Date: 12 Jan 2001 10:22:27 -0500 > >From: Troy Alan Hammond > >To any in-the-know individual: > >are there other Zorn shows happening in the near future > >other than the Masada get together on April 14th? January 13, January 14, and February 4, Zorn will participate in A GREAT DAY IN NEW YORK, a series of concerts/symposiums presented by the Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center and Merkin Hall. For more information see these articles in today's New York Times: 'A Great Day in New York': Snapshot of a City's Composers www.nytimes.com/2001/01/12/arts/12CHAM.html Where to Hear (and Talk About) 'A Great Day in New York' www.nytimes.com/2001/01/12/arts/12BCHAM.html And also: www.chambermusicsociety.org www.ekcc.org Jeni - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Rituals(Painkiller) Auction Date: 12 Jan 2001 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Was just checking out ebay CD auctions and saw that there is a copy of Painkiller's "Rituals" up starting at $10.00. For those who don't know, the material on this CD is NOT found in the Painkiller Complete Recordings re-release on Tzadik. Have at it guys. Should be interesting to see what it goes for. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: bobby previte new CD Date: 13 Jan 2001 15:21:10 -0400 Hey Steve - you mentioned Bobby Previte had a great new recording that he was attempting (unsuccesfully) to release, I wonder why he couldn't just release it on Tzadik, I know he's released on Avant before, and I would have thought that Zorn would be more than happy to release something new and exciting from Previte??? wudzy. BTW, I see someone mentioned that they were listening to The Fall, in my opinion one of the greatest running groups in history, for anyone interested check out their album 'Perverted by Language' or for a great overview of their earlier stuff - 'palace of swords reversed.' Their newest 'Unutterable' is also very good. NP Joe Mcphee/Hamid Drake Duo on Okka (man does Mcphee know how to make an spellbinding solo) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: this marinade invokes a trembling cartoon Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:49:23 +0100 I'll try again, 1) I can't imagine that there isn't a spontaneous appearance of reviews for Dresser's Marinade or London's Invocations. I ordered already, but still would like to know more. Anyone bought Gidon Kremer's Silencio? 2) It looks like there are known Masada tunes on the Trembling-disc. am I right? 3) Is the Cartoon/SM of any interest since all the compositions are well known and aptly performed in the past. How's the clarinet Kol Nidre? Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Dalton" Subject: Ennio Morricone Date: 14 Jan 2001 10:48:07 -0800 Can anyone suggest a good album as a starting point to exploring Morricone? I'm a bit reluctant to just go for 'the best of.........' because in my experience it usually isn't. cheers Astro - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone Date: 13 Jan 2001 15:48:36 -0800 > Go for the 'Mondo Morricone' and 'More Mondo Morricone.' After that Rhino Records put out a nice double cd collection of his better known works. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: Ennio Morricone Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:04:39 -0400 The RHINO double CD compilaton is very good ... but I was very sad to find out that THE SICILIAN CLAN was not included. It's nevertheless a very good compilaton. Neil H. Enet ------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone Date: 13 Jan 2001 16:44:54 -0800 Oh yes I forgot for sure you must have THE SICILIAN CLAN. My favorite all time piece of music by Morricone (or anyone come to think of it). -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: this marinade invokes a trembling cartoon Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:34:18 -0500 Hello, >2) It looks like there are known Masada tunes on the Trembling-disc. am I >right? As far as I remember, it's written in the little description on that little black thing every Tzadik records has (what would be the correct word for this?) >3) Is the Cartoon/SM of any interest since all the compositions are well >known and aptly performed in the past. How's the clarinet Kol Nidre? I personnally find it interesting. I find the interpretation to be different than what can be found on _The String Quartets_ and the other albums. Of course, if you already have all the compositions, are short on money and this will decide if you will eat tomorrow, it can be a better idea to wait a little! Hope it helps, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Kapotte Muziek Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:34:54 -0500 Hello, I recently purchased _The Use of Recycling_ by Kapotte Muziek. I really enjoy the album and I'm looking to purchase other albums. However, they have a couple of releases and I was wondering if anybody could make a few suggestions. Thank you very much, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone Date: 13 Jan 2001 20:53:46 -0500 Anybody familiar with the Morricone 2000 and 2001 compilations put together by a Sun City Girl? Sound intriguing but if they duplicate a lot of other comps I'd rather skip 'em. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Suggestions Date: 14 Jan 2001 07:30:31 -0800 (PST) I'm greatful for all the great suggestions received from you zorn listers upon request... One in particular is Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis." Amazing! The best CD I've purchased in months...!!! Jim Black! I'm a new fan! I'll have to get Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio album no that I see Black's on that one too! ===== -That which is Theoenough is enough! Vote Libertarian! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: Suggestions Date: 14 Jan 2001 17:07:40 +0100 And don't forget to check out Pachora as well! Jeroen > Jim Black! I'm a new fan! I'll have to get Dave > Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio album no that I see Black's on > that one too! Jeroen de Boer music director Cyberslag Foundation Munnekeholm 10 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503634676 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: this marinade invokes a trembling cartoon Date: 14 Jan 2001 12:34:54 -0500 Mathieu Belanger wrote: > As far as I remember, it's written in the little description on that little > black thing every Tzadik records has (what would be the correct word for > this?) The little black half-sleeve thing is called an "obi." It's a Japanese term. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Theo Bleckmann/John Hollenbeck: "Splatter Screens," 'Static Still' (EarRational) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD (and nasty rumors) Date: 14 Jan 2001 14:00:01 -0500 mwoodwor wrote: > Hey Steve - you mentioned Bobby Previte had a great new recording that he was > attempting (unsuccesfully) to release, I wonder why he couldn't just release > it on Tzadik, I know he's released on Avant before, and I would have thought > that Zorn would be more than happy to release something new and exciting from > Previte??? Any guess on my part is pure supposition, but here goes: 1. Most Tzadik releases seem to come from Zorn's mandate, as opposed to unsolicited materials. 2. The recording is a live performance, and most Tzadiks seem to be new studio recordings (yes, there are exceptions). 3. It's possible that Zorn heard the music and simply didn't like it (again, this is doubtful, but who knows?). Or maybe Bobby hasn't even passed it along to Zorn. If he did, maybe Zorn would pony up the funds to do a proper studio recording of the suite for the Composers Series. 4. Maybe the project was beyond Tzadik's tight budget. This wouldn't preclude release on Avant (where the more expensive things go) or DIW (where the most expensive things go). For example, Lee Konitz was reportedly making a new disc for Tzadik's Radical Jewish Culture series. But the latest Downtown Music Gallery update includes a Konitz disc on DIW. Could it be the same recording? Did it run over budget in the studio? Who can say, other than Zorn? Like I said, this is all just supposition. But with any luck, Bobby will find a home for this release ('Sunburst Wounds the Tardy Star - The 23 Constellations of Joan Miro') in the coming year. To my ears it's a throwback to the style of his Gramavision releases of the late '80s. But those are great, great records. Personally I think CRI/Blueshift should do it. Nasty Rumor Department: It may soon become more difficult to find Tzadik and Avant releases in mainstream stores. I heard an ugly rumor (unconfirmed but fairly reliable) that Koch International has recently dropped most of its edgier labels. This would include Tzadik, Avant, Knitting Factory (which is currently defunct anyway - more below), and Table of the Elements. I've also heard that Koch has essentially "impounded" all existing ToTE stock not currently in stores, and that the label head may thus have to start a new label. It's an ugly story if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me now that Koch has headed into the pop world with rap and metal records and chart-topping releases related to the World Wrestling Federation and Pokemon. However, those who rely on DMG and the indie stores that deal with Forced Exposure and the like will probably notice little change in the release schedule (other than ToTE, obviously). If I get some kind of confirmation of this, I'll pass it along. And to New Yorkers and those planning to visit: right now at the Knit you can buy their CDs at a cost of three for $20, with a free drink besides. Time to stock up before they disappear (I strongly recommend the new Cuong Vu and Andy Laster releases). The financial problems to which Kurt Gottschalk recently referred are apparently all too true. The most recent issue of The Nation, in a Gene Santoro article about the Ken Burns film unavailable online, mentions that the Knit is in the hole to the tune of $2 million, and insiders have suggested to me that it's possibly much, much more. The label is currently suspended, Knotes is not being published, and a more dire fate may be in store. I spoke to one of the artists on the label about this on Friday and he says the prognosis is not good. Added to this, there will NOT be a Bell Atlantic Jazz Festival this year - Verizon has decided to give its funding to George Wein's Festival Productions (producers of the JVC Jazz Festivals) for a music festival - NOT a "jazz" festival - to take place in August. More details when I get them, but for now it looks like a disaster in the making. And while I may have my own personal past baggage with Dorf, I dearly hope that this fate can be averted. On the other hand, the Vision Festival is alive and well, and just about to announce an incredible lineup with a ton of visiting Europeans. Once again, I don't have any more details, but will pass them along when I hear more. Your mole on the scene, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jamie Baum, "Time Frame," 'Sight Unheard' (GM) - great modern mainstream jazz recording by flutist/composer Baum with Dave Douglas, Drew Gress, Jeff Hirshfield and others... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" Subject: while we're talking about thurston Date: 14 Jan 2001 14:13:55 -0500 ... i guess i'll go ahead and plug another show w/ the moore/cline/parkins trio. this one will be at the Easthampton Town Hall in Easthampton, MA and will feature the Kim Gordon/DJ Olive/Ikue Mori trio as well. the show is $5 and starts at 8 on the 25th of january. http://www.flywheelarts.org for more info. matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "stevespangler" Subject: Zorn on "Brain in a Box" box set Date: 14 Jan 2001 14:46:11 -0500 Hello, I've been away from this list for about a year, and I just recently rejoined. If this has been discussed already let me know. There's a Zorn track on the "Brain in a Box" set that Rhino just put out. Does anyone know what the track is, or where it's available? Steve Spangler - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: morricone Date: 14 Jan 2001 15:45:17 -0400 In response to your question about good Morricone, I would strongly rec. Mondo Morricone as well. In addition I would rec. A Western Quintet on the DRG label. I really enjoy both of these. I have just ordered a double Cd from Amazon called Morricone - Cinema 70's which should be good, I'll let you know after I hear it. wudz. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brennansf@aol.com Subject: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 14 Jan 2001 15:45:35 EST Hi, everyone, I'm about to take to plunge into the work of Evan Parker and Joe McPhee, both of whom I have been avoiding far too long, mainly because of the size of their discographies which I find altogether intimidating. Any tips on where to start and how best to navigate these two labyrinths will be greatly appreciated. Apologies if this has already been discussed on the list. If so, just reply privately. Thanks! Jerry Brennan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 14 Jan 2001 16:17:13 -0500 While I'm a great fan of Evan Parker, I shall leave those recommendations to others at present. But Joe McPhee - now there's a topic I can sink my teeth into. I spent several weeks immersed in the entirety of McPhee's available catalog in preparation for a feature story that will appear in the February issue of Jazziz. From those investigations, I will recommend the following as a Beginner's Guide: 1. Oleo & A Future Retrospective (hat ART 6097, 1993) A great intro. Recorded in 1982, this was one of the last CD issues of McPhee's great run of discs for the hat Hut family of labels. Remember that hat Hut was originally established specifically to release McPhee's music, and he's responsible for the first bunch of albums released. This is a quartet session, nicely balanced between original material and idiosyncratic covers of standards. When guitarist Raymond Boni enters on "Oleo," he sounds like a jet engine suddenly kicking into gear. The CD includes over 30 minutes of unreleased material. 2. The Watermelon Suite (CIMP, 1998) The debut recording of Joe's empathic Trio X, with bassist Dominic Duval and drummer Jay Rosen in some of their finest performances on disc. Joe limits himself to soprano sax only, but it's a good intro to his later free improv, no compositions style. The subsequent 'Rapture,' on Cadence Jazz, adds a violinist/vocalist, and features a 45 minute version of "Lift Every Voice and Sing" that's, well, rapturous. 3. In the Spirit (CIMP, 1999) Two reeds players (McPhee and Joe Giardullo), two basses (Duval and Michael Bisio), and a breathtaking collection of spirituals. McPhee didn't grow up in the gospel church, but he's born to the style. 4. Nation Time (Atavistic, 2000) and Tenor & Fallen Angels (hatOLOGY, 2000) Two early documents of McPhee's burgeoning art. 'Nation Time,' from 1970, is straight out of Shepp's political bag and includes several r'n'b tinged vamps, but has its moments of raw power and is revealing in the extreme. 'Tenor' was recorded in 1976 and is a remarkable solo saxophone recital inspired by Braxton. The CD issue includes a 15 minute piece, "Fallen Angels," recorded live the next year. 5. Emancipation Proclamation (Okka Disc, 2000) An overwhelming recent live duo CD with drummer Hamid Drake, featuring some of McPhee's most unfettered tenor blowing paired with the drummer's characteristic swinging verve. 6. The Dream Book (Cadence Jazz, 1999) Another live duo CD, this time with bassist Duval. McPhee sticks to alto sax and pocket trumpet for a suite of tunes inspired in the moment by the art of Ornette Coleman, with each track decicated to a Coleman bandmate. 7. Topology (hat ART, 1989) McPhee's largest ensemble (up to a tentet, and including Boni, Andre Jaume, Irene Schweitzer, Pierre Favre and Radu Malfatti), recorded in 1981 in original music and a rollicking cover of Mingus's "Pithecanthropus Erectus." This just scratches the surface, but from here you can get the gist of McPhee's art. Chances are these will inspire you to track down more. And keep an eye out in spring for a Joe McPhee/Evan Parker tenor sax duo CD on Okka Disc. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Charles Mingus, "Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting," 'The Very Best of Charles Mingus' (Atlantic Jazz Gallery/Rhino) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 14 Jan 2001 17:16:30 EST is there a McPhee disco anywhere out in cyberspace? jeff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 14 Jan 2001 17:24:28 -0500 Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote: > is there a McPhee disco anywhere out in cyberspace? Yes, on his home page, run by the inimitable Margaret Davis: http://users.rcn.com/eye/joe3.html It's updated as of this month. Also, I note on the homepage that McPhee is currently taking a break from touring in order to concentrate on "large scale composition." Whoooo-hooo! It's been too long since 'Topology.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - George Benson, "Shark Bite," 'Breezin'' (Warner Archives/Rhino) - hey, it's smooth, but it's way better than what we now call "smooth jazz"... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: re: Following Zorn Date: 14 Jan 2001 17:18:29 -0600 (CST) the dmg website keeps a list of upcoming recommended NYC shows, whcih usually includes zorn appearances: http://www.dtmgallery.com/ cheers, whit Whit Schonbein Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology Program Department of Philosophy Washington University http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ whit@twinearth.wustl.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: good news for tim berne fans Date: 14 Jan 2001 23:57:22 from the screwgun website: "exciting new stuff: Tim recently recorded four (4) enormous suites for big band, with featured soloists Herb Robertson and Marc Ducret.  As a little taste of what will soon be available as a limited edition CD set, here are two clips in MP3 and RealAudio format." [sound clips follow, see www.screwgunrecords.com] does anyone knw exactly how soon this is coming out?? wy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone Date: 14 Jan 2001 18:05:13 -0800 (PST) i won't be recommending any since i am only just about to dive into his ouevre myself but for what it's worth there is a handy Morricone primer in the may 1997 issue of the wire issue 159. it lists a number of recordings of his including Once upon a time in america (which i have on order based on steve smith's recommendation recently ) e-mail me if you're interested but can't track down the article. --- Mary Dalton wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good album as a starting point > to exploring Morricone? > I'm a bit reluctant to just go for 'the best > of.........' because in my > experience it usually isn't. > > cheers > > Astro > > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 14 Jan 2001 21:15:07 EST In a message dated 1/14/01 3:46:47 PM, Brennansf@aol.com writes: << I'm about to take to plunge into the work of Evan Parker and Joe McPhee, both of whom I have been avoiding far too long, mainly because of the size of their discographies which I find altogether intimidating. >> I'll take a shot at Evan Parker: Monoceros (Chronoscope) Three Other Stories (Emanem) Schlippenbach Trio-Elf Bagatellen (FMP) Obliquities (Maya) Live at Les Instants Chavires (Leo) Most Materiall (Matchless) Dark Rags (Potlatch) this gives you a nice overview, plus they're all great records. check the euro free improv site (www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/) for more info. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone Date: 14 Jan 2001 19:26:25 -0800 In the non-anthology realm, I can comfortably recommend to this group the recently issued _Gli Occhi freddi della Paura_ on Dagored, from an early 70s giallo (a/k/a _Cold Eyes of Fear_), which features the free improv group he was involved with in the late 60s, Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza; the CD includes about a half-hour's worth of outtakes, *all* of which are worthwhile listening. (Unlike the other Nuova Consonanza albums, there's a definite pulse to much of the music, propelling it into some ungodly and unique AMM-play-_In a Silent Way_ spaces, I kid you not.) On my 2000 top ten. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored." -- Norman Mailer np: Copperhead, _s/t_ nr: Susan R. Mathews, _An Exchange of Hostages_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: Ennio Morricone Date: 15 Jan 2001 10:01:04 +0100 (CET) Hi! The enormous variety of Morricone compilations are a good starting point to know his music. However, there goes a brief list of some of his most attractive soundtracks: "Once Upon A Time In The West" "Once Upon A Time In America" "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" "For a Few Dollars More" There is also a label that released several CDs classified thematically (westerns, noir films, etc) which was pretty good too. I don't remember the name but I suppose that is easy to find in the US. Anyway, one must be very careful with Morricone's awful "easy listening" versions. Most of his records are quite cheap but there is a lot of garbage out there. Beware of music for elevators! Regards, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 10:03:42 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! I just got into THE RESIDENTS by buying their "COMMERCIAL ALBUM". It was 50% boredom and 50% intuition that there must be a lot of interesting things in their discography. I know it has been regarded as one of their best albums. Could someone recommend something from their enormous body of work? Thanks in advance, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:13:26 +0100 >From: Steve Smith > >Like I said, this is all just supposition. But with any luck, Bobby will >find a >home for this release ('Sunburst Wounds the Tardy Star - The 23 >Constellations of >Joan Miro') in the coming year. To my ears it's a throwback to the style >of his >Gramavision releases of the late '80s. But those are great, great records. >Personally I think CRI/Blueshift should do it. why not releasing it on his own label Depth Of Field or went it out of business unfortunately after 4 or 5 amazing records? Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: The Fall (was: bobby previte new CD) Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:23:59 +0100 >>BTW, I see someone mentioned that they were listening to The Fall, Well - I did... >> in my >>opinion one of the greatest running groups in history, for anyone interested >>check out their album 'Perverted by Language' or for a great overview of their >>earlier stuff - 'palace of swords reversed.' Their newest 'Unutterable' is >>also very good. And yes, I agree. I do also think they are an absolutely excellent band. Highly recommended! Glad to see someone else on this list is into them! patRice nr: George Burchett, Memoirs of a Tattooist np: Looping Home Orchestra, Live - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 10:59:37 -0500 efr=E9n del valle wrote: > I just got into THE RESIDENTS by buying their > "COMMERCIAL ALBUM". It was 50% boredom and 50% > intuition that there must be a lot of interesting > things in their discography. I know it has been > regarded as one of their best albums. > > Could someone recommend something from their enormous > body of work? I really enjoyed the two circa-'80s compilations on Ryko, 'Heaven' and 'Hell,' for their overview of the band's best years. But I don't think they're available anymore. Therefore, in addition to the disc you've got (which I certainly would have recommended as third choice at least), I don't think anything they've done in more recent years can touch their masterpiece, 'The Third Reich'n'Roll,' and their strange epic 'Eskimo.' I note that they'll be on tour in February, playing in New York and a few other places. I'm thinking about going, for nostalgia's sake. And that's not something I would ever have anticipated in considering the Residents. There's an excellent overview of their work at www.residents.com. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Jane Ira Bloom, "In Everything," 'Sometimes the Magic' (Arabesque, March 2001 release) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:22:05 EST Okay, I just got my first Bloodcount disc -- "Poisoned Minds" -- on Saturday and have not stopped listening since. And I just ordered every currently available Bloodcount disc from Forced Exposure. Finally, I just won an auction on Ebay for Memory Select. Are Tim Berne's other projects as exciting as Bloodcount? If so, where do I go next? Many advance Thanks, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:30:25 -0500 I'm really fond of the two Paraphrase discs, _Visitation Rites_ and _Please Advise_. The first is harder and more Bloodcount-like, and the second is somewhat quieter and sparser (IIRC...which I may not). The Ornery People disc with Michael Formanek is enjoyable, but you may miss having a drummer driving it. (I didn't, but it is rather different from Bloodcount.) Now that I think of it, the Paraphrase stuff seems to be improv, so that may be another difference. Still, I like 'em all. Enjoy the Berne, Maurice At 11:22 AM -0500 1/15/01, Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: >Are Tim Berne's other projects as >exciting as Bloodcount? If so, where do I go next? > >Many advance Thanks, >Tom -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:41:14 -0500 Andreas Dietz wrote: > why not releasing it on his own label Depth Of Field or went it out of > business unfortunately after 4 or 5 amazing records? Depth of Field is on hiatus, perhaps permanently, perhaps not. When it was dropped by Koch a few years ago, Bobby never managed to find the impetus or funding to continue. There were four records released - 'Euclid's Nightmare' by him and Zorn, 'Downtown Lullaby' by the two plus Wayne Horvitz and Elliott Sharp, and discs by Susan McKeown & Lindsey Horner and Homer Erotica. Like Zorn, Bobby wanted the label to be a widely-ranging expression of all kinds of music. But Bobby lacked the marketing power to break the latter two acts, and he doesn't have the same cult of personality that makes many people (myself included) try an unknown Tzadik venture simply based on trust. Anyway, there's no telling what will become of his plans to reissue his own early works, to which he now owns sole rights, nor the long-promised box set by The Horse. Regarding that Miro suite, Bobby has not sent it to Tzadik. He's been trying to get it on a major label with a high commercial profile and some marketing money and clout. It was turned down by one important German indie label with fancy packaging that we talk about a lot here on this list. It's also been sent to Atlantic and Nonesuch. I can understand Bobby's desire to get the project out through one of these venues - he feels the music is the best thing he's ever done, and he wants it heard by as many people as possible. And that's not a bad objective. It just might not be a realistic one in today's market climate. Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across Europe, can't get a gig or a deal in the U.S. Bobby told me last night, at a sparsely attended Jane Ira Bloom show (don't get me started on THAT), that he's effectively given up on the U.S. and even New York. I think that's a sad indicator of the financial realities of today's constipated market. But I'm equally convinced that he could find an indie outlet that would give him more attention than would any major label only in it for the money. And I plan to continue to argue that point of view. Such labels are certainly out there... Songlines, Palmetto and OmniTone are but three of them. Songlines has quietly released some of the best jazz records of the last decade, as you're already aware. Palmetto leans towards the conservative, perhaps, but has found room for interesting projects by the likes of Andrew Hill, Dewey Redman and Matt Wilson, to name but three. And for my money, OmniTone is perhaps the best contemporary indie riding the line between mainstream and out music, including amazing discs by Cuong Vu, Joe Morris, Marty Ehrlich and the gorgeous upcoming Baikida Carroll CD 'Marionettes on a High Wire' (due out in February, but I bought it at a jazz education conference on Saturday). OmniTone is fast establishing itself as the Enja or Black Saint/Soul Note of the '00s (the "Oh-Ohs"...?). And there are countless others, but those are three I could envision taking an interest in this specific music. Hey, if I had the venture capital to start a label, I'd put Bobby's record out in a heartbeat and find a way to target the marketing and promotion to reach his audience and try to win converts. It's not exactly rocket science. The trick is to sell enough to make the venture worthwhile. But ultimately, as Jon and Tony Reif and the other label heads on this list will tell you, no matter how successful such a venture may be, it had to be a labor of love or it isn't worth the headache and heartbreak. But if you're in need of a quick fix of Bobby, you can always order the Swami Late Plate disc direct from his website at http://www.bobbyprevite.com/flash_home3.html (note that you can only find this link on the Flash version of the site, not the non-Flash version). There are also dowloadable MP3 samples. Bobby refused to tell me anything about it, not even who his partner on the record is. He also gleefully informed me that I had missed the opportunity to be the first person in the world to order it - that someone else had been the first to send in a check... me: "Patrice Roussel, right?" BP: (much laughter) "I'm thinking about taping the check to the wall, like a restaurant tapes up the first dollar bill it gets..." Wanna tell us about it, Patrice? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Dresser/Frith/Mori, "Bottle," 'Later...' (Victo) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:03:29 -0800 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:41:14 -0500 Steve Smith wrote: > > even who his partner on the record is. He also gleefully informed me that I > had missed the opportunity to be the first person in the world to order it - > that someone else had been the first to send in a check... > > me: "Patrice Roussel, right?" > BP: (much laughter) "I'm thinking about taping the check to the wall, like a > restaurant tapes up the first dollar bill it gets..." > > Wanna tell us about it, Patrice? Darn! There is no privacy on this list :-). Yes, I ordered it but I have not received it yet. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 12:07:16 EST Guess it's hard to find JMT stuff now, but I especially liked the two Miniature (Berne-Baron-Roberts trio) disks. And Fractured Fairy Tales (trio + Dresser, Feldman, Robertson). And Diminuitive Mysteries (mostly Hemphill). And - aw, heck, I could keep going until I've just about listed it all! David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: THE SICILIAN CLAN Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:34:51 -0800 I just saw a copy of the soundtrack album THE SICILIAN CLAN. I love the main theme, and I was wondering if anyone out there can recommend this soundtrack CD before purchasing it. I do have the main theme already. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 12:37:09 -0500 Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > Okay, I just got my first Bloodcount disc -- "Poisoned Minds" -- on Saturday > and have not stopped listening since. And I just ordered every currently > available Bloodcount disc from Forced Exposure. Finally, I just won an > auction on Ebay for Memory Select. Are Tim Berne's other projects as > exciting as Bloodcount? If so, where do I go next? Standard disclaimer: I worked closely with Tim for several years, helping to establish the Screwgun label and creating and running the website for its first three years. I also had his two Columbia records reissued on Koch Jazz when I worked there. Therefore, I'm admittedly partisan. But I currently have no fiscal connection with Tim, and I'll be happy to make a few suggestions. Standard caveat: Remember that anything on JMT is out of print - a disaster when you consider that it's roughly 10 years of his work, and 10 decisive years at that. You'll have to haunt used CD shops and keep checking eBay for many of these. Personal bias: I think the Screwgun releases by bloodcount are better than the JMT discs, because they're truer to the rough, raw, edgy sound and fatass funk that the band achieved live. That said, here are five suggestions... 1. Fractured Fairy Tales (1989, JMT) Still one of Berne's most powerful statements. The band: Mark Dresser, Herb Robertson, Mark Feldman, Hank Roberts, Joey Baron. The tunes: concise, angular, swinging. "Hong Kong Sad Song/More Coffee" just kicks ass. The quirky rhythms and ostinato vamps Berne borrowed from Hemphill are in full evidence here. The same band, minus Feldman, recorded the very fine 'Sanctified Dreams' (1987, Columbia, reissued by Koch), which was the record that first made me "get" Berne's style back when I was still a fledgling in all things jazz. Don't expect the epic-length perorations of bloodcount... here the ideas are much more concentrated, but still bristling with event and impact. And Robertson, on both albums, is a damn near perfect foil for Berne, time and time again. He's so damned important and so little represented elsewhere... 2. Pace Yourself (1991, JMT) Berne's first encounter on record with Marc Ducret. The rest of the band is Dresser, Robertson, Bobby Previte and Steve Swell. Again, the tunes are largely more concise. "Bass Voodoo" is one that he continues to explore in a variety of settings even now. The first of his long-form pieces, "The Legend of P-1," points the way towards his more recent style. The followup to this one, 'Nice View' (1994, JMT), fully marks the transition to the long-form style (its pieces are 21, 17 and 38 minutes in length, respectively) and adds Django Bates. 3. Fulton Street Maul (1987, Columbia, reissued Koch) The transition point between Berne's very early Empire and Soul Note work (which did indeed contain some very long pieces, but they weren't the same sort of episodic narratives as bloodcount's book) and his middle period described above. Density is the keyword here: Bill Frisell and Hank Roberts sound like teeming swarms. Frisell commits some of his most terrifying acts of guitarrorism on this album - you might not believe it's even the same guitarist as the Frisell we hear today. It took me a long time to come to this record when it was new, but I treasure it now. 4. Diminutive Mysteries (1993, JMT) A disc of new compositions by Berne's mentor Julius Hemphill plus a lengthy original tribute by Berne, making explicit the indebtedness that Berne felt towards his unsing hero. The music was written for the occasion, and the playing is exeptional. Features Ducret, Roberts, Baron, and some obscure sopranino sax player named David Sanborn, plus Robertson and Dresser on "The Maze," Berne's sole composition here (which clocks in at 21 minutes). 5. Loose Cannon (1993, Soul Note) Nominally a session led by Michael Formanek, this was both the birth of a seminal partnership that continues today (Formanek just got a grant to take the duo on the road again) and the germination of what would become bloodcount. The tunes are mostly concise and are contibuted by both Berne and Formanek, and the band, a trio, is completed by drummer Jeff Hirshfield, who, while excellent, isn't the distinctive stylist that Jim black would prove to be. For my money, no drummer - and Berne has always been blessed with the most fabulous drummers in the business - has ever gotten into the itchy nervous system of Berne's music the way Black did, and initially bloodcount was to be Berne, Formanek and Black before the drummer brought Chris Speed into the mix. The tunes "Broken" and "Lowball," which would later become the bloodcount medley "Bro'ball," make their debut here. That's a nice little primer, I think. Additionally, if you find you like the sound of 'Fractured Fairy Tales,' then the two discs by the collective trio Miniature (Berne, Roberts and Baron) - both on JMT, alas - are also highly recommended. The Big Satan (Berne, Ducret, Tom Rainey) album 'I Think They Liked It Honey' marks the territory between bloodcount and Paraphrase and gives another example of Berne working with other people's pieces - half the album was written by Ducret. And Paraphrase (Berne, Rainey and Drew Gress), as has been mentioned, is a fine example of a freely-improvising band whose members are so in tune with one another that even at epic length, the pieces unfold organically and there's rarely a dull moment. Enough from me... I gotta get working or I'm in deep trouble. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Tim Berne, "Evolution of a Pearl," 'Fractured Fairy Tales' (JMT) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: L.A. Free Music Society Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:52:25 -0800 (PST) Has anyone heard any or all of the LAFMS box set? What is the music like and would you recommend it? For those who have never heard of this enclave of strangeness, you can go to http://www.cortical.org/spores/LAFMS10CD.html ----s NP: Rev. Dwight Frizell and Anal Magic - BEYOND THE BLACK CRACK (Paradigm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: the realities of the world Date: 15 Jan 2001 12:58:07 EST Steve S. writes [re: Bobby Previte] >He's been trying >to get it on a major label with a high commercial profile and some marketing >money and clout. It was turned down by one important German indie label >with >fancy packaging that we talk about a lot here on this list. I can understand Bobby's >desire to get >the >project out through one of these venues - he feels the music is the best >thing >he's ever done, and he wants it heard by as many people as possible. And >that's not a bad objective. It just might not be a realistic one in today's >market climate. There are a number of people who would never consider working with Cuneiform Records because I can't offer them a $8, $10, $15 or 20K advance, despite the fact that (1) we merely lease masters from the artist - NOT own them, meaning that they ultimately have control of their intellectual property, but also that I have to figure out a way that I can break even on a release in 5 years [the initial terms of our contracts], (2) we can prove to them based on our reputation that we WILL pay them for what we sell, & (3) we have two people on staff full time who do nothing but promotion for our releases at no cost/chargeback to the band. But all of that usually doesn't seem to outweigh the big boys big cash in the pocket - which we [& probably Songlines, Palmetto & Omnitone] just can't do. > The >trick is to sell enough to make the venture worthwhile. But ultimately, >as Jon >and Tony Reif and the other label heads on this list will tell you, no >matter >how successful such a venture may be, it had to be a labor of love or it >isn't >worth the headache and heartbreak. Steve, you make it sound *so* easy & obvious! ;-) Anway, too bad - I love Bobby's work - have seen him a few times & own most of his CDs. If he gives up on the big boys, have him get in touch! Steve Cuneiform Records - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: RE: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 12:14:51 -0600 Efren, A Guide to the Works of the Residents: http://www.residents.com/ Studio Albums: http://www.residents.com/albums/ Unofficial Residents Fan Club: http://www.smelly-tongues.com/ My 2 cents: Anything before '80 is very good (especially their early Ralph Records releases). Are they available? Ryko may have their hands on re-releasing their earlier stuff as they seem to have their hands in a lot of little gems (i.e. Zappa rereleases, etc.). Otherwise, I doubt you'll find fans giving up their vinyl. Sorry I can't be of more help in finding albums/CDs for sale. J out >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From efr=E9n del valle =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Hi everyone! > >I just got into THE RESIDENTS by buying their >"COMMERCIAL ALBUM". It was 50% boredom and 50% >intuition that there must be a lot of interesting >things in their discography. I know it has been >regarded as one of their best albums. > >Could someone recommend something from their enormous >body of work? > >Thanks in advance, >Efr=E9n > >_______________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Consiga gratis su direcci=F3n @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 15 Jan 2001 10:16:14 -0800 (PST) I thought I'd make brief comments about a few of Jon Abbey's Parker recommendations, then add a few of my own: 1. Monoceros (Chronoscope) - searing solo soprano; pretty intense and cathartic 2. Three Other Stories (Emanem) - bizarre meeting with percussionist Paul Lytton; homemade instruments, some electronic extension of the percussion; not your father's free improv, though it could have been if your dad had been especially hip 3. Schlippenbach Trio-Elf Bagatellen (FMP) - classic "miniatures" by an empathic working group; Webernian free improvisation with amazing discipline; recorded rather poorly, I thought, or at least mixed very low; PHYSICS has some terrific close-mic'ed piano, but seems more like free-jazz, more energy-music. Exciting stuff! 4. Obliquities (Maya) - Great duo with bassist Barry Guy; some of my favorite playing by both men, but maybe not the place to start IMHO. 5. Live at Les Instants Chavires (Leo) - an amazing meeting w/digital signal processors and guitarist Noel Akchoté; what opens like a infinitely echoing muezzin's call transforms itself constantly, sounding by turns like flocks of birds and speaker-damage. You might also like the beautifully-recorded SOLAR WIND, also with digital improvisor Lawrence Casserly, thought this time in duo. I also really like the two ECM recording from Parker's electroacoustic ensemble. 1. To which I'd add my own suggestion for Evan Parker's Greatest Album: 50th BIRTHDAY CONCERT (Leo). A really great way in. One disc of Schlip3, one of Parker-Guy-Lytton, and both tremendous treats, worth savoring; these performances are good examples of "practiced improvisation," but keep surprising me five years or so after I purchased the disc. Schlippenbach's machine-typewriter semiprepared piano vamping on "Bowed stiffly then went free..." is _grooving_; Barry Guy's bass is rubbery, protean, beautifully recorded (not always the case!); Parker's tenor sounds fine (also not always the case: witness the cottony-muffled CHICAGO SOLO, the too-dry DARKS RAGS, the brittle LIVE AT THE VORTEX...good performances with rather sub-documentary sound, IMHO); and the shorter examples of his solo soprano are like time-lapse vine-growth. This leads me to... 2. CONIC SECTIONS (AH Um). Unaccompanied solo soprano excursions; long salvos of circular-breathing-powered exercises, bordering on fugue-like. Parker uses false fingerings, biting on the reed, etc etc to create the illusion of distinct simultaneous lines. The result, especially here, is far more profound than a display of extended technique or trompe-les-oreilles [sp?]; there is the sense of investigation, of the truly experimental, but much more refined than the outrageously intense MONOCEROS. Essential! 3. NATIVES AND ALIENS (Leo). The title is a joke, perhaps, on the fact that Parker-Guy-Lytton have played together so much that it's pretty damned far from what Derek Bailey once considered "optimal" improvisation. Crispell is the perfect fourth wheel; beautifully recorded, dynamic, and highly recommended for people who like the dynamic of the "classic" Coltrane Quartet....which is only to say that I find the performance analogous, not particularly similar. Parker largely plays tenor, and it sounds GREAT. As for Joe McPhee, I remember TOPOLOGY being a shocker: opening with a melodramatic suspensful string vibrato, with a wall of guitar feedback and this beautiful, almost apocalyptic trumpet/sax line arching over it all. In the midst of this electro-acoustic moment, it pays to remember that McPhee was involving himself with electronics---as just another aspect of his oeuvre---from the get-go; there are "microcomputers" used on TOPOLOGY, extensive synth/voice destruction on THE WILLISAU CONCERT, one of those old Seventies HatArt releases. I also saw him play solo a couple years ago, and he was using a digital delay of some kind to layer his pocket trumpet and play over it; the piece was written for him, he said, by Pauline Oliveros. One thinkg I've seen McPhee do is to to sing a counter-melody to a flurry of circular-breathed activity; the effect is moving, and more effective, I think, than Dewey Redman's use of a similar technique. (I don't know of another player who does this. Mats Mustafsson maybe?) McPhee seems to absorb influences readily without betraying his own special sound-project. In parting, I might mention the Parker-Guy-Lytton disc THE REDWOOD SESSIONS, with McPhee guesting (not on the whole record, though). It's a great, great performance, and McPhee has a lot to do with that. Good place to begin your journey with both artists! (Though you might be put off by the "CIMP sound".) If you can warm up to these artists' sound-worlds, you are in for months of great listening! Lucky you! -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:22:29 -0500 Jay Mote wrote: > My 2 cents: Anything before '80 is very good (especially their early Ralph > Records releases). Are they available? All of the Residents' output, including outtakes, rarities, anthologies (though not 'Heaven' and 'Hell'), live albums, and the one album they made specifically for Ryko ('God in Three Persons'), is currently available in pristinely-remastered reissues from East Side Digital. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:37:59 -0700 Three of my own favorite "other", non-screwgun, Tim Berne are Fractured Fairy Tales, Caos Totale/Nice View and Miniature: Tim Berne's Fractured Fairy Tales(JMT 1989): TB, Mark Dresser, Herb Robertson, Mark Feldman, Hank Roberts, Joey Baron Tim Berne's Caos Total(JMT 1994): TB, Herb Robertson, Marc Ducret, Mark Dresser, Steve Swell, Bobby Previte, Django Bates Miniature - "I can't put my finger on it", not Tim's own, but a equal opportunity trio(JMT 1991): Joey Baron, Hank Roberts and TB. I'm not sure how available these are. It's all great, very hard to go wrong with this guy, hard to resist adding another four or five to my list... My next big purchase has gotta be the 5 CD Empire Box set of rereleases, early Tim(1979 - '81) with an very impressive list of musicians. Happy hunting Dan Kuehn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Evan Parker recommendations Date: 15 Jan 2001 10:34:30 -0800 One of my all time favorite recordings by anyone is: 133 - THE FIRE TALE: Borah Bergman with Evan Parker 1/ The Fire Tale (Bergman, Parker) 19:39 2/ Red Shadows (Bergman) 15:19 3/ Ascent Through The Vortex (Bergman, Parker) 17:38 4/ Helixian Steps (Bergman, Parker) 4:14 Recorded on March 18-19-20, 1990 Borah Bergman: piano; Evan Parker: soprano. 1994 - Soul Note (Italy), 121252-2 (CD) The operative word is FIRE. Stunning improvisations. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: RE: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:52:32 -0500 The Commercial Album is a lot of fun. The Third Reich N' Roll is an amazing covers record of their 'favorite' early rock hits. Most people dig Duck Stub/Buster & Glen too. The best sampler I've seen is an import called Nibbles that came out around 1980 (sadly never issued on CD). As Jay said, you really can't go wrote with most of their '70's material. Though I loved the last two tours they did (King & I in the early '90's, Wormwood recently), they seemed to work much better on stage than as recordings. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: The Fall and The Residents. Date: 15 Jan 2001 10:59:10 -0800 I too love the Fall and have just about everything they've done. Regarding the Residents, my advice is check out their web site, note the chronological order of release dates and buy more or less in that order. Although I really like them, I'd have to say that they have "generally" gone down hill over the years, although that would still put them ahead of just about everyone else. Interesting and controversial exception to that are their 2 American Composer discs which I thoroughly enjoy. yours in zornocity --ds Dennis Summers Quantum Dance Works members.home.net/dennisqdw/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: emergency drummer last night? Date: 15 Jan 2001 14:08:37 -0500 Hi Did anyone catch the Emergency show at Mercury Lounge last night with Zorn, Ribot, and Medeski? I'm wondering who the drummer was (and if there were any other special guests). Thanks JM - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 14:03:45 EST smokey@laplaza.org writes: > My next big purchase has gotta be the 5 CD Empire Box set of rereleases, > early Tim(1979 - '81) with an very impressive list of musicians. I was also just thinking of picking this up, particularly given the lineup (inlcuing John Carter, Vinny Golia, Nels & Alex Cline, Roberto Miranda, Olu Dara, Paul Motian). If you get the boxset from Screwgun, its $55 and you get Berne/Roberts 'Cause & Reflect' OR Bloodcount's 'Saturation Point' as a bonus. On the other hand, Cadence is selling the set online for $40 (w/o the free CD): http://www.cadencebuilding.com/. Here's info on the boxset: http://www.screwgunrecords.com/SC70009.htm jeff caltabiano n.p. don pullen/joseph jarman/don moye: the magic triangle (1979, black saint) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:05:55 -0800 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:52:32 -0500 Perfect Sound Forever wrote: > > The Commercial Album is a lot of fun. The Third Reich N' Roll is an > amazing covers record of their 'favorite' early rock hits. Most people dig > Duck Stub/Buster & Glen too. The best sampler I've seen is an import > called Nibbles that came out around 1980 (sadly never issued on CD). I would also recommend NOT AVAILABLE, one of my favorite (the most chilling!). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nils Jacobson Subject: Re: Berne recs Date: 15 Jan 2001 14:07:54 +0100 Steve Smith wrote: > 5. Loose Cannon (1993, Soul Note) a very nice list there, steve, but i disagree about your fifth choice. i found this record did not pack the oomph of some of berne's other work with formanek. kind of dull, actually. instead, i'd prefer another soul note record, 'Ancestors'--which has some of the great energy of bloodcount. n - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Any RESIDENTS recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 20:17:04 +0100 > I would also recommend NOT AVAILABLE, one of my favorite (the > most chilling!). Agree. A classic. I have funny, personal story about it. First, I got it on vinyl. All voices, drums and other sounds are prepared on this record, and sound weird. The vinyl didn't have any information, if it's 45 rpm or 33. I thought it's 45 rpm, because the sound was "righ", more dynamic. I was listening to it for a year, and then somebody told me, "dude, your tape is too fast!". It was sopposed to be played at 33 rpm! I still prefer the 45 rpm "version", unfortunately, it doesn't work with CD. Well, if you are Christian Marclay, you can try it ;-) __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Berne recs Date: 15 Jan 2001 14:20:20 -0500 Nils Jacobson wrote: > Steve Smith wrote: > > > 5. Loose Cannon (1993, Soul Note) > > a very nice list there, steve, but i disagree > about your fifth choice. i found this record > did not pack the oomph of some of berne's other > work with formanek. I agree with this assessment to a large degree, though I'd personally stop short of calling it dull. The less demonstrative drummer does make a huge difference, as does the fact that half of the pieces were written by Formanek, who has a far less edgy style in general (or did at that time, anyway). But I intended this recommendation primarily as a germinal influence upon the foundation of bloodcount, since that was where Tom started. Tom, you now have two opposing viewpoints on this one, so perhaps you should sample it before paying full price. That said, I won't argue with you about 'The Ancestors' being a superior record in and of itself. 'Mutant Variations,' its followup, was equally strong. Sad to say, there's an entire unreleased album from the latter sessions, during which the soloists were given more room to stretch. (And no, I don't have it!) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: L.A. Free Music Society Date: 15 Jan 2001 14:20:48 EST In a message dated 1/15/01 12:53:12 PM, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << Has anyone heard any or all of the LAFMS box set? What is the music like and would you recommend it? >> yeah, I've heard it once through (it's 10 CDs). it's pretty uneven, with parts being fairly self-indulgent. the best band on the box, and in this scene, is the unfortunately named Smegma. I'd highly recommend trying any CDs you can find by them before picking up this box. I'm not a fan of most of the artists associated with the LAFMS, but the solo CDs which microtonal guitarist Rod Poole has released over the last few years are gorgeous, especially The Death Adder (WIN). Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fag music" Subject: The fall in two pieces(was supposed to be Re:The fall [Re:Bobby Date: 15 Jan 2001 11:34:36 -0800 Well, since someone mentioned The Fall,I'd like to say that Billy Gould(from FNM and Brujeria) at some point in time played with Jon Hudson in some place that I don't recall now....anyway,their set was entirely consisted of the music from this band...just thought some of you'd like to know.However,I dunno where do I find this show,maybe someone from the CV mailing list knows. Falls, Castro Sinatra http://e2893.37.com/Free-E-Card/ <--- You Have A Greeting :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: REsidents Rec. Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:57:04 -0400 Been a hug fan of the residents for many, many, years - I own just about everything released officially by them or the UWEB label and alot of the other rarer stuff as well. For a truly original and excellent album get their first "major" release - 'Meet the Residents.' Keep listening to 'THe Commercial Album,' I think it's also one of their better ones. In my opinion their last truly great album and masterpiece was 'Mark of the MOle' (part 1 of the 4!?! part mole trilogy). However, for newer stuff I would rec. 'Freak Show,' which is still a really decent and enjoyable album, as well as 'God in 3 persons' although the god album will definitely not turn everybodys crank!! wudz. np. Brotherhood of Breath - Willisau Concert on Ogun - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Berne recs Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:00:48 EST Steve, Nils, and the rest of the list who sent these wonderful recommendations: I just ordered eleven (yes, ELEVEN) Berne and Berne-related discs, including "Ancestors" and "Loose Cannon." I'm listening to Formanek's "Low Profile" right now and love it, so I'll gladly take a chance on "Loose Cannon." Hmmm...now I'll have the entire Screwgun catalogue and a handful of JMT titles. Where does this all end? Why can't jazz guys be a little more like popsters and spend three or four years in the studio for each release? My house would be less cluttered and my bank account would be more cluttered. Thanks again, guys. My creditors, the online music stores, and I thank you. Cheers, Tom In a message dated 1/15/01 2:21:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > Nils Jacobson wrote: > > > Steve Smith wrote: > > > > > 5. Loose Cannon (1993, Soul Note) > > > > a very nice list there, steve, but i disagree > > about your fifth choice. i found this record > > did not pack the oomph of some of berne's other > > work with formanek. > > I agree with this assessment to a large degree, though I'd personally > stop short of calling it dull. The less demonstrative drummer does make > a huge difference, as does the fact that half of the pieces were written > by Formanek, who has a far less edgy style in general (or did at that > time, anyway). But I intended this recommendation primarily as a > germinal influence upon the foundation of bloodcount, since that was > where Tom started. Tom, you now have two opposing viewpoints on this > one, so perhaps you should sample it before paying full price. > > That said, I won't argue with you about 'The Ancestors' being a superior > record in and of itself. 'Mutant Variations,' its followup, was equally > strong. Sad to say, there's an entire unreleased album from the latter > sessions, during which the soloists were given more room to stretch. > (And no, I don't have it!) ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: New Zorn? Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:15:18 EST What has been the newest contribution from Zorn/Studio Album material? It seems, after reading this list continually, that he is in concert very often which would be exciting if I lived in NYC. Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drivymovie@aol.com Subject: Re: emergency drummer last night? Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:33:44 EST The drummer was Kenny Wolleson. No other "special guests." I was at the 10pm set which was really terrific. I especially dug Zorn's "vocal" parts. later, Evan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: emergency drummer last night? Date: 15 Jan 2001 12:40:02 -0800 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:33:44 EST Drivymovie@aol.com wrote: > > The drummer was Kenny Wolleson. No other "special guests." I was at the Is he related to Kenny Wollesen? > 10pm set which was really terrific. I especially dug Zorn's "vocal" parts. Patrice. PS: BTW, where is the root of this systematic mispelling? KF? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:41:13 EST For anyone remotely in the Philadelphia area, Sound of Market on 11th St., just south of Market St., has a few of the JMT discs; they've been there since they first arrived in the store. The Miniature disc is there, as is Nice View and a couple others, I believe. There's a huge amount of everything that is non-classical there, actually, including an astounding number of Evan Parker, Joe McPhee and Residents discs. The prices are about as reasonable as you could hope for, also. No, I don't work there, BTW. The amount of dough I've sunk into that store is considerble, though! -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: emergency drummer last night? Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:05:50 -0500 On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 12:40:02PM -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:33:44 EST Drivymovie@aol.com wrote: > > > > The drummer was Kenny Wolleson. No other "special guests." I was at the > > Is he related to Kenny Wollesen? > > > 10pm set which was really terrific. I especially dug Zorn's "vocal" parts. > > Patrice. > > PS: BTW, where is the root of this systematic mispelling? KF? > I think it's just a general English language problem: since the great majority of names we're familiar with that end with that sound are spelled "son" (derived from "son of" whatever), we just remember that syllable as a single data-chunk, and have to intentionally remember which names vary from it. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Diego Gruber" Subject: RE: New Zorn? Date: 15 Jan 2001 21:57:12 +0100 Perhaps that's the reason, being very often in live performances, perhaps busy with business, but it kinda seems that Zorn hasn't been working too hard on composition on recent years in comparison to his average output of earlier times, or he's just decided not to put out much new compositions yet. Most of Zorn's last records are either rearrangements of old material (Bar Khokba, Circle Maker, Filmworks IX, Cartoon S/M...), live performances (Masada live Series, Xu Feng), or collections of bits of music he may had had left from previous efforts (The Bribe, Music for Children, Taboo and Exile). I can be a very misinformed person and this statement should be taken more as a question than as an answer, I wonder what do Zornlisters who can follow things closer think of this. Don't get me wrong, most of these records are great pieces of music which i enjoy a lot, but I just don't think I have seen a very solid record with new compositions by Mr. Zorn in a long time, am I awfully wrong here? Diego > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]En nombre de > BlackBook78@aol.com > Enviado el: Montag, 15. Jänner 2001 21:15 > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: New Zorn? > > > What has been the newest contribution from Zorn/Studio Album > material? It seems, after reading this list continually, that he > is in concert very often which would be exciting if I lived in NYC. > > Thanks > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Re: New Zorn? Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:11:41 -0800 (PST) I feel the same way too. I have been waiting for some "new" stuff for a while. That bastard just isn't doing what I want him to!!!!! :-) A quick browse through the Composer series list on www.tzadik.com, I found "Aporias" to be the latest "new" release, which came out in 1998. I think I recall a post recently mentioning he said that he was concentrating mostly on classical stuff nowadays due to a reluctance to travel or something similar. But yeah, it seems like his output has slowed down a bit. Perhaps that's the reason, being very often in live performances, perhaps busy with business, but it kinda seems that Zorn hasn't been working too hard on composition on recent years in comparison to his average output of earlier times, or he's just decided not to put out much new compositions yet. Most of Zorn's last records are either rearrangements of old material (Bar Khokba, Circle Maker, Filmworks IX, Cartoon S/M...), live performances (Masada live Series, Xu Feng), or collections of bits of music he may had had left from previous efforts (The Bribe, Music for Children, Taboo and Exile). I can be a very misinformed person and this statement should be taken more as a question than as an answer, I wonder what do Zornlisters who can follow things closer think of this. Don't get me wrong, most of these records are great pieces of music which i enjoy a lot, but I just don't think I have seen a very solid record with new compositions by Mr. Zorn in a long time, am I awfully wrong here? Diego __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: New Zorn? Date: 15 Jan 2001 13:16:21 -0800 On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:11:41 -0800 (PST) Andy Marks wrote: > > I feel the same way too. I have been waiting for > some "new" stuff for a while. That bastard just > isn't doing what I want him to!!!!! :-) > > Perhaps that's the reason, being very often in live > performances, perhaps That's it. Let's pray that he stops Masada asap :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oger Subject: Re: Joe McPhee and Evan Parker recommendations Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:54:23 +0100 (CET) In a message dated 1/14/01 3:46:47 PM, Brennansf@aol.com writes: << I'm about to take to plunge into the work of Evan Parker and Joe McPhee, both of whom I have been avoiding far too long, mainly because of the size of their discographies which I find altogether intimidating. >> About Evan Parker: When playing soprano solo : "Monoceros" (Incus/Chronoscope) and/or "Conic Sections" (ah um) and/or "Process and reality" (FMP) When playing tenor solo : "Chicago solo" (Okka disc) When playing with D. Bailey : "Arch duo" (Rastascan) When playing with Schlippenbach trio : "Elf Bagatellen" (FMP) and/or "Physics" (FMP) When playing with Barry Guy and Paul Lytton : "Atlanta" (Impetus) and/or "At the vortex" (Emanem) and/or "Imaginary Values" (Maya) When playing with a pianist: with John Tilbury "Two chapters and an epilogue" (Matchless) When playing with a percussionist : with Eddie Prevost "Most materiall" (Matchless) BTW : there is a CD you can listen to Evan with Joe Mac Phee and with a third saxophonist Daunik Lazro on french label Vandoeuvre. Jacques Oger - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 15 Jan 2001 18:14:22 -0500 (EST) Hi fellow obsessives: Now that even the most persnickety among us have conceded that we're in a new millennium, maybe we could discuss who we think were the most important and influential musicians of the past century. This isn't a Top Ten List: that includes too many names, nor a Poll, I, for one am not going to keep track of the "winners". What would be more interesting, though, would be a discussion --or maybe even a consensus -- about these musicians. Note we're not talking about our favorites, or the most popular musos, but the people who affected music more than any others. I propose to divide the century in two and suggest one musician per genre for each 50 years. I'm not interested enough in rock-pop or its various splinters and offshoots to think about it, but for bedrock music, my suggestions are below. What do others think? Ken Waxman Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis Armstrong 2nd 50 years: Cecil Taylor Country music: 1st 50 years: Jimmy Rogers 2nd 50 years: Hank Williams Blues: 1st 50 years: Robert Johnson 2nd 50 years: Ray Charles (so-called) Classical: 1st 50 years: Igor Stravinsky 2nd 50 years: John Cage _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 15 Jan 2001 19:32:46 EST Using your categories, here are my picks: > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis Armstrong > 2nd 50 years: Ornette Coleman > > Country music: 1st 50 years: Jimmy Rogers > 2nd 50 years: Hank Williams > > Blues: 1st 50 years: Robert Johnson > 2nd 50 years: B.B. King > > (so-called) Classical: 1st 50 years: Igor Stravinsky > 2nd 50 years: John Cage Pop: 1st 50 years: Irving Berlin or George Gershwin 2nd 50 years: The Beatles Rock: 1st 50 years: there was no rock and roll, but the earliest SUPERSTAR and influence was probably Elvis Presley 2nd 50 years: Led Zeppelin Folk: 1st 50 years: Woody Guthrie 2nd 50 years: Bob Dylan Tom D. ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 15 Jan 2001 21:09:58 -0500 The only thing that I'd add is that if Elvis belongs to the first 50 years of the century, then undoubtably, so does Hank Williams, his biggest moment was around 49-50. Hank provided the "legend" of country more than the sound... Certainly Hank was beloved, especially by me, but in terms of the impact and influence on country, three names pop to mind: 1. Chet Atkins --besides producing most of Capitol's classic country, he provided the popular aesthetic (but his music is less satisfying at times). 2. Ernest Tubb --provided the vocal sound for most of country music following him, although many singers like Faron Young had their "hank sound alike" period 3. Merle Travis --updated the Carter guitar sound and provided a roadmap for many guitar pickers after him oh, and can't forget 4. Bill Monroe -- dude did "invent" (and that's a loaded statement that I don't entirely believe, but it's pretty convincing) bluegrass--which provides the training ground for many of country's biggest stars and can still sort of claim to be a "people's music" With this crowd, I'm not going to contradict Ken or Tom on Jazz, since I essentially agree, but in terms of impact, Miles Davis seems to have a lot going for him ("cool" "fusion" acting as a kind of bridge between Parker and Coltrane)...mind you. However, I don't want to be part of Wynton's attempts to make the trumpet the main instrument of Jazz, as my Television told me... best to all, matt Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > Using your categories, here are my picks: > > > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis Armstrong > > 2nd 50 years: Ornette Coleman > > > > Country music: 1st 50 years: Jimmy Rogers > > 2nd 50 years: Hank Williams > > > > Blues: 1st 50 years: Robert Johnson > > 2nd 50 years: B.B. King > > > > (so-called) Classical: 1st 50 years: Igor Stravinsky > > 2nd 50 years: John Cage > > Pop: 1st 50 years: Irving Berlin or George Gershwin > 2nd 50 years: The Beatles > > Rock: 1st 50 years: there was no rock and roll, but the earliest SUPERSTAR > and influence was probably Elvis Presley > 2nd 50 years: Led Zeppelin > > Folk: 1st 50 years: Woody Guthrie > 2nd 50 years: Bob Dylan > > Tom D. > > ________________________________________________ > The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage > perhaps in music, because that art contains no material > to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, > and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. > > --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musician Date: 15 Jan 2001 18:41:51 -0800 >>>but in terms of impact, Miles Davis seems to have a lot going for him<<< amen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:58:30 +1100 > With this crowd, I'm not going to contradict Ken or Tom on Jazz, since I > essentially agree, but in terms of impact, Miles Davis seems to have a lot > going for him ("cool" "fusion" acting as a kind of bridge between Parker and > Coltrane)...mind you. On this topic, who would people consider to have had the most impact on jazz? I'd guess Armstrong, Parker, Davis, Coltrane and Coleman to be there for sure, probably Monk and Mingus too, but who else would fill out say a top ten? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 15 Jan 2001 22:23:58 -0500 On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:58:30PM +1100, Julian wrote: > On this topic, who would people consider to have had the most impact on > jazz? I'd guess Armstrong, Parker, Davis, Coltrane and Coleman to be there > for sure, probably Monk and Mingus too, but who else would fill out say a > top ten? It depends on what you call jazz. But I would include Cecil Taylor and maybe Albert Ayler. And maybe whoever we can blame "smooth jazz" on. And perhaps, collectively, the AACM. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: zorn radio hour Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:14:53 EST does anyone on this list have the setlist for John Zorn Radio Hour? from, mattt (http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: knitting factory ordering Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:47:35 -0500 The KF website promises the three for $30 sale that Steve mentioned but I've never been able to figure out if that's everything or certain older releases. I emailed them in early December but there was no reply & I had other things to do. Any ideas? Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:55:18 -0500 At 10:23 PM 1/15/01 -0500, Joseph Zitt wrote: >On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 02:58:30PM +1100, Julian wrote: > >> On this topic, who would people consider to have had the most impact on >> jazz? I'd guess Armstrong, Parker, Davis, Coltrane and Coleman to be there >> for sure, probably Monk and Mingus too, but who else would fill out say a >> top ten? > >It depends on what you call jazz. But I would include Cecil Taylor and >maybe Albert Ayler. And maybe whoever we can blame "smooth jazz" on. >And perhaps, collectively, the AACM. Don't forget Duke Ellington. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: New music in RealAudio on this week's Mappings Date: 15 Jan 2001 23:37:18 -0600 Hi y'all, This week you'll hear music made from the sounds of cooking, dining and washing up by Steve Beresford, Amy Denio, Fast Forward, Elsa Justel, Guy Klucevsek, Paul Lansky, and Daniel Lentz, on Mappings. The show went online approximately 10 pm PST (GMT -0700) on Monday January 15, 2001 and will be available for about a week at . Hope to see you there then. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: New Zorn?/Too many reissues? Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:10:49 +0100 (CET) I don't think you're wrong at all. What's more, all the Spanish fans I know are beguinning to get tired of reissues of old material, either unreleased or previously released. One fine example of that was "Godard/Spillane". I found the relase and the fact of putting these two pieces together very suitable. Most of the people were negatively surprised. For instance, I have nothing against the Masada lives, but I'm beguinning "not to look forward" to them. Zorn said in a Spanish magazine interview that he had been composing for too long, and that was too lonely an activity that had prevented him from seeing his friends and playing with them. The interview took place several years ago and now it seems that we're all suffering his "reissue fever". If I find the time I will be glad to transcrip his exact words for the list so everyone can sort of find an explanation for this lack of new works. Regards. Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:35:21 +0100 (CET) Everything from the Screwgun label is terrific. Make sure to check also Marc Ducret's "L'Ombra di Verdi". This French trio is more than amazing. Bloodcount's first works at JMT (the praised 3-volume of "Live in Paris")were quite more "boring" or at least less dynamic. These records never made a dent on me so I wouldn't recommend them. One of Berne's best albums in my opinion is "Big Satan" (Winter & Winter) -with Ducret and the amazing Tom Rainey. Michael Formanek's is perhaps less edgy but don't doubt to give a try with "The Nature of The Beast" (Enja)-features Jim Black, Tony Malaby, Tim Berne, Dave Douglas, ... See you, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:44:38 +0100 (CET) I entirely agree. I'm not much into country so my opinion wouldn't be useful. However, there are some names that I think need to appear in a sort of XX century top-list: John Coltrane has been, in my opinion, much more valuable for jazz music than Cecil Taylor. I don't mean that Taylor hasn't brought new visions to improvised music but Trane's overall career is probably more trascendent. I think that Free Jazz has also a main name: Ornette Coleman. Maybe Albert Ayler too. Nowadays pop-rock music takes always into account The Velvet Underground. I don't like all of their works but I must admit that their music has been essential for many current pop groups. Clearly one of them is Sonic Youth, which should also appear in that top-list. What about Frank Zappa? I don't know why but many people seem to have forgotten about him. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: some Feldman and a little Hyla Date: 16 Jan 2001 06:51:31 -0500 Loads of music by Morton Feldman will be heard in Boston over the next few weeks: Monday, Jan. 22 - Stephen Drury plays "For Bunita Marcus" (along with Lee Hyla's "Riff and Transfiguration") in Jordan Hall, 8pm Thursday, Feb. 1 - Barbara Lieurance and John Latartara play/discuss "Palais de Mari" in Williams Hall, 4pm Monday, Feb. 5 - Louis Goldstein plays "Triadic Memories" in Jordan Hall, 8pm and, of course, "Piano and String Quartet" coming up April 9. All events free at New England Conservatory, 290 Huntington Ave. in Boston. --steve newly remodeled! - http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Bobby Previte & Tim Berne & Sound of Market Date: 16 Jan 2001 07:29:28 -0500 For anyone remotely in the Philadelphia area, Sound of Market on 11th St., just south of Market St., has a few of the JMT discs; they've been there since they first arrived in the store. The Miniature disc is there, as is Nice View and a couple others, I believe. No, I don't work there, BTW. The amount of dough I've sunk into that store is considerble, though! - -matt mitchell Well, I did work there, and in fact it was the birthplace of Sweetnighter Productions, our Philadelphia based jazz promotion "company." My buddy Craig Baylor and I created Sweetnighter (thank you Joe Zawinul, Miroslav Vitous, Wayne Shorter) to bring "avant-cuuting edge-creative" jazz artists to an otherwise starved for it Philadelphia. We decided that S.P. would produce only people that we 1)would pay to see ourselves 2)and/or jazz folks we knew. We were fortunate to know many people in the industry, including media like Nate Chinen and Russ Woessner from the literary world, Mike Harrison from radio, and others. So, we had ready access for exposure. And through good folks like Steve Smith we were able to meet many New York based musicians like Bobby, Tim, etc. So prospects for Sweetnighter looked good. I spent many nights listening to various groupings of Bobby's, and got to know him on a conversational basis. There were nights when The Horse played at the Izzy Bar and if I wasn't there they would have been playing to an empty room. I did three nights of Bobby's 20 year retrospective at the Knitting Factory, where only the Zorn duo came close to filling the place. Other shows featured the best of New York's Downtowners, mostly playing to a small gathering of devoted BP fans. We produced shows for Pachora, Ken Vandermark, Joe Morris, Dave Douglas, Gerry Hemingway, Andy Laster, Steve Lacy, Myra Melford, and Philadelphia guys like Uri Caine, Bobby Zankel, Elliot Levin & Tyrone Hill, and others like William Parker's In Order to Survive and Other Dimensions in Music.I think our list was impressive. But, where was the audience? So, it is not surprising to me that as great a composer, arranger, and musician that Bobby is that he can't get a deal. Do I blame the record companies. No, they are in the business of selling, and if it doesn't sell out it goes. I blame those New Yorkers, Philadelphians, and others that are just too lazy to get off their butts and go pay to see these people. A perfect example is Uri, a long time friend of mine. Uri produced two terrific JMT recordings when no one knew who he was. Nothing. Then came Mahler, which was first released in Europe, hit it big, then had to wait for American distribution. We produced a Mahler show for Uri right in his home town. It got plenty of media exposure, yet we had to dig in our pockets to cover expenses because of the lack of an audience. Sorry for all the hot air, but the reality folks is if we want to hear what Bobby Previte is doing these days, and I for one am a huge fan of his from way back in the Claude's Late Morning days, then go out and support the shows and buy the cds. Don't complain about record companies, we all know what they are about. Support your local musicians, they bring us lots of pleasure, so dig in your pockets, folks!!! And turn off the tube. Alan Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: New Zorn?/Too many reissues? Date: 16 Jan 2001 13:59:28 +0100 > efr=E9n del valle: > If I find the time I will be glad to transcrip his exact > words for the list so everyone can sort of find an > explanation for this lack of new works. =20 Please proceed ;-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: Berne's JMT, Parker, Tyler Date: 16 Jan 2001 09:26:04 -0400 Hey, for those of you out there who are eager to scoop up one of Berne's deleted JMT discs don't sweat - you'll find them one way or another. For example, a couple of years ago I spent some time in a small (3000 people) japanese rice village in Hokkaido, Japan. One day I went to the local shopping market/dept. store with a lady that I was teaching english (that would be the equivalent to a Wall-Market/ k-Mart/etc. kind of store here in NOrth America). Needless to say I was bored out of my skull while she did her shopping (a variety of foods, many of which I never came to recognize or identify). I decided for kicks I would look through a discount bin of Japanese CD's (mostly things considered to awful and cheesy even by their cheesy pop standards, some of which is admittedly very entertaining) primarily to look at all of the funny titles and covers. Well, I'm sure you all know where this is leading.... my eyes suddenly came to rest on A CD spine that although written in Kanji, said at the top "JMT". When I grabbed the CD up to look at it, it was Tim Berne's Fractured Fairy Tales, By chance the one Tim Berne recording I was still actively looking for on CD at the time!!! To top it off, it was equivalent of about 8 canadian dollars, which in Japanese terms of price is next to nothing. Sooooo.... the moral of the story is, 'lookout for hope' (mmmmmm...haven't I heard that somewhere before!?!). As for Evan Parker rec's I would day definitely start with Evan Parker's 50th Birthday Party on Leo records, it's a double and you get a chance to hear him with his ever amazing trio, and with the Schlippenbach trio. Amazing stuff. Also, is anyone else as impressed with Charles Tyler's - 'Voyage From Jericho' as me? Awesome album, the drummer - Steve Reid, is nearly incomprehensible. Wudz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: NYTimes pix Date: 16 Jan 2001 08:57:00 -0500 There are TWO color photos of Zorn on page B1 of today's NYTimes. Glenn Lea - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: New Zorn?/Too many reissues? Date: 16 Jan 2001 11:11:52 -0300 Efren, > Zorn said in a Spanish magazine interview that he had > The interview took place several years ago and now it > seems that we're all suffering his "reissue fever". If > I find the time I will be glad to transcrip his exact > words for the list so everyone can sort of find an [Linares Hugo] Para los hispanoparlantes envialo en espanol, please! Saludos, Hugo Linares PD: Efren. Cuando te metes en la Lista espanola de Jazz a debatir un poco? > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:02:36 +0100 (Yes, and I come close to replying to every mail sent by Steve...) > Standard caveat: Remember that anything on JMT is out of print - a disaster > when you consider that it's roughly 10 years of his work, and 10 decisive years > at that. You'll have to haunt used CD shops and keep checking eBay for many of > these. Is there any hope that it will change someday? Is nobody interested in their catalogue(W&W)? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: bobby previte new CD Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:56:30 +0100 > Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the > Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across Europe, can't get a gig > or a deal in the U.S. did they record anything? ( and why don't they play somewhere in central Europe?) Marcin Gokieli - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 16 Jan 2001 09:28:59 EST In a message dated 1/16/01 9:21:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: > Is there any hope that it will change someday? Is nobody interested in their > catalogue(W&W)? In an attempt to buy even more Tim Berne CDs (I bought eleven yesterday), I called DMG to see if they had any in the old used bin. No such luck, and the one JMT Berne they did have was $20. The guy I spoke with said that Tim has been trying in vain for the last few years to buy back the rights to his JMT catalogue. He would like to release all titles as a box set. Fingers crossed.... Checking his bloodcount, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: kf $20 deal Date: 16 Jan 2001 10:39:37 -0500 ssmith said: And to New Yorkers and those planning to visit: right now at the Knit you can buy their CDs at a cost of three for $20, with a free drink besides. Time to stock up before they disappear but, i add, be patient. or don't get your hopes up. when i was there, a typically uninformed, unhelpful and no doubt underpaid staffer didn't know how to include multidisc releases (i almost walked away with the chapin box set for half price until she reneged), couldn't find several of the things i wanted and refused to open the cabinet to take out display discs that she couldn't find in stock (she said she didn't have the key, but when in exasperation i asked her to call someone to help, he found the key on her ring). the process took about 40 minutes. i try not to harsh on kf employees because, from what i understand, they are paid for shit and, well, you get what you pay for. at the knit, that often means more attitude than answers, and employees rarely know which of the 2 or 3 advertised times for a set is accurate (for example). there are absolutely some nice and capable people working there. but then there are the ones who can't work a soundboard and turn on the house lights when they get mad at the performer... how nice, then, to go to a well-run rock club last night. the sound at mercury lounge is always great and the people that work there aren't mean to you. zorn/ ribot/medeski/wollenson (emergency) were on fire, mostly mining soul jazz grooves but breaking into some nicely splintered noise as well. wonder if this is a new jz project fermenting? it reminded me a bit of those lovely early days of rotating masadas. kg np: frith & kaiser - with enemies like these, who needs friends? nr: dr. faustus by thomas mann and meet the residents by ian shirley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuckp8@juno.com Subject: Re: L.A. Free Music Society Date: 15 Jan 2001 16:04:20 -0800 Yesum... On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:20:48 EST JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: > yeah, I've heard it once through (it's 10 CDs). it's pretty uneven, > with parts being fairly self-indulgent. the best band on the box, and in > this scene, is the unfortunately named Smegma. I'd highly recommend > trying any CDs you can find by them before picking up this box. The 4XCD box "Blorp Esette" might be a better starting point for the unsure. I'm not positive if the tracks carry over, but I found all the CD's to be interesting and worth the purchase. I agree that Smegma may have donated the best tracks, but other highlights include the Reverend Toad Eater, The Patients, Christian Death, the LAFMS Marching Band and, of course, Don Van Vliet's wonderful artwork. CHeers, ChuckP. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chuckp8@juno.com Subject: Re: REsidents Rec. Date: 15 Jan 2001 16:20:19 -0800 Hey... On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:57:04 -0400 mwoodwor writes: > Been a hug fan of the residents for many, many, years - I'm a hug fan too. > first "major" release - 'Meet the Residents.' Keep listening to > 'THe Commercial Album,' I think it's also one of their better ones. I agree, and I also agree with the other post that said Duck Stab is worthy. I like Duck Stab because it features Snakefinger, who's an amazing artist. No one mentioned the semi-recent Pollex Christi EP, which is their interpretation of N. Senada's "1937 Masterpiece." Easily one of my favorites from the vast catalog, pre and post 80's, hands down. Like nothing I've ever heard them do. Also, the newish "Our Tired, Our Poor, Our Huddled Masses" is a great 2XCD compilation of the entire catalog, including stuff from the Commercial Album and Eskimo and Mole and Third Reich... and so on. And if you're into reinterpretations, hear Primus, Cracker, Heavy Vegetable Thinking Fellers, Stan Ridgeway (sort of) and many more do your favorite Residents' hits on "Eyesore; A Stab At The Residents" on Vaccination. One thing, the Bad Day On The Midway CD-Rom is giving me the shits. Does anyone know how to solve this thing? And be sure to check out Renaldo and The Loaf if you're really into the Residents. Chuck P. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: L.A. Free Music Society Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:12:26 EST In a message dated 1/16/01 11:26:03 AM, chuckp8@juno.com writes: << The 4XCD box "Blorp Esette" might be a better starting point for the unsure. I'm not positive if the tracks carry over, but I found all the CD's to be interesting and worth the purchase. >> well, this is really inexpensive (like $25 for four full-length discs) , but I found the quality of this to be even more spotty. it seemed like it was leftover material from the 10 disc set. just my opinion... Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Berne's JMT, Parker, Tyler Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:43:27 +0100 > Also, is anyone else as impressed with Charles Tyler's - 'Voyage From Jericho' > as me? Awesome album, the drummer - Steve Reid, is nearly incomprehensible. I am sorry but I dont understand this last sentence. As I'm actively researching about Reid (as you maybe know there are two Steve Reid, but one plays in the Rippington and the AMG guide conflates them in themost amusing manner) I'd like yo to explain. Thanks Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? Date: 16 Jan 2001 18:54:08 +0100 Marcin> Is there any hope that it will change someday? Is nobody interested in their Marcin> catalogue(W&W)? Stefan Winter claimed that he wants to re-release some old JMT recordings on W&W (especially Uri Caine) in the next future. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "stevespangler" Subject: 20th Century's most important musician Date: 16 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0500 If you're talking about influence on other artists then I'm afraid the list should be a little less interesting especially in the Blues category. I would say that Eric Clapton & Stevie Ray Vaughn are much more influential than B.B. King or Ray Charles. It's sad but true. Also, for Classical musicians in the past 50 years, John Williams seems more influential to me than Cage. I like Cage more, but his music isn't played at local high-school basketball games. Steve Spangler - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 11:16:03 -0800 (PST) --- Ken Waxman wrote: > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > Armstrong While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say something about the Columbia remasters being inferior to remasters done by a smaller company, and released on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about these releases, if they are still available? Thanks, sorry for the OT, ----s NP: THU20 - DERDE SCHIFF (Staalplaat) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:22:49 EST In a message dated 1/16/01 2:17:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say something about the Columbia remasters being inferior to remasters done by a smaller company, and released on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about these releases, if they are still available? Thanks, sorry for the OT, ----s >> They are available at Amazon.com as a four-CD set for $23.72. It's a UK label. I just ordered it. Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:27:56 EST In a message dated 1/16/01 2:23:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: << < While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say something about the Columbia remasters being inferior to remasters done by a smaller company, and released on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about these releases, if they are still available? Thanks, sorry for the OT, ----s >> They are available at Amazon.com as a four-CD set for $23.72. It's a UK label. I just ordered it. Tom >> Furthermore, I ordered it a week ago and it IS in stock. Amazon lists it as "Special Order" but one is on hand and ready to ship out. Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:34:56 EST thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: > While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the > new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say > something about the Columbia remasters being inferior > to remasters done by a smaller company, and released > on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about > these releases, if they are still available? JSP put out a very inexpensive remastered 4-CD box that is still available. Those who've heard both boxsets have said the quality is just as good on the JSP as on the Columbia. The major differences, from what I've heard over on the Miles List, are: 1) that the Columbia set is much more fancy, with a booklet, more liner notes, etc.; 2) the material is slightly different, but the bulk of the actual Hot 5s and Hot 7s sessions is the same on both sets; 3) Price! I picked up JSP for about $25 US (at Best Buy) while the Columbia set is going for at least double that. Overall, you're much better off with the JSP. I think I also read on the jazzmatazz website that JSP is soon putting out a box of Armstrong's Big Band recordings. jeff caltabiano n.p. oliver lake quintet: dedicated to dolphy (1996 ,black saint) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reuben Radding Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 12:40:45 -0800 You want the box recently issued by JSP Records. At 11:16 AM 1/16/01 -0800, Scott Handley wrote: >--- Ken Waxman wrote: > > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > > Armstrong > >While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the >new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say >something about the Columbia remasters being inferior >to remasters done by a smaller company, and released >on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about >these releases, if they are still available? > >Thanks, sorry for the OT, > >----s > >NP: THU20 - DERDE SCHIFF (Staalplaat) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:57:47 -0500 I sprung for the Columbia. Since I haven't heard the JSP, I can't comment on the differences/similarities of the sound. I'm sure that they're pretty much equivalent, but I'll say that if you're a packaging fetishist, the Columbia has one hell of a presentation. I'm not sorry I spent the extra cash on it, but YMMV, of course. -Maurice At 2:34 PM -0500 1/16/01, Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote: > >JSP put out a very inexpensive remastered 4-CD box that is still available. >Those who've heard both boxsets have said the quality is just as good on the >JSP as on the Columbia. The major differences, from what I've heard over on >the Miles List, are: 1) that the Columbia set is much more fancy, with a >booklet, more liner notes, etc.; 2) the material is slightly different, but >the bulk of the actual Hot 5s and Hot 7s sessions is the same on both sets; >3) Price! I picked up JSP for about $25 US (at Best Buy) while the Columbia >set is going for at least double that. Overall, you're much better off with >the JSP. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: February jazz in NYC - wow! Date: 16 Jan 2001 14:31:47 -0500 Sorry to piss off anyone not here in New York - perhaps we should think about creating a sub-list for New York-based performances like they have in so many other cities! - but there's so much good jazz coming up in February, I just had to spread the word. And hey, I suppose that if you're out of town and see something here to die for, there's still time to book tickets... ;-) 2/2-4 American premiere, Andrew Hill Big Band, Jazz Standard (in preparation for upcoming recording on Palmetto) 2/6-11 Jazz Composers Collective Festival, Jazz Standard: 2/6-7 Herbie Nichols Project and Ted Nash Double Quartet 2/8 Frank Kimbrough Quartet and Ron Horton's Genius Envy 2/9 Ben Allison's Medicine Wheel 2/10 Michael Blake's Free Association and Frank Kimbrough Quartet 2/11 Palmetto All-Stars Play Ellington and Ron Horton's Genius Envy 2/8-11 Mario Pavone: New Music for Trio, Quartet and Octet, Knitting Factory 2/13-18 Dave Douglas New Quintet, Village Vanguard... Chris Potter, Uri Caine (on Fender Rhodes), James Genus, Clarence Penn 2/15-17 Marty Ehrlich's Travelers Tales, Knitting Factory 2/20-25 Jason Moran Trio with Sam Rivers, Jazz Standard Whew... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: james blood at the knit Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:23:58 -0500 anyone know if the ulmer/myers/benbow set is still on for tonight? it's not on the knit website and citysearch doesn't have it listed, so i'm guessing it's canceled, but it's still on jazznewyork.org. i tried calling the club's infoline and they list concerts for the first week in december. if it is canceled, anyone know why? np: david west - pickin' on hendrix - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:29:58 -0500 Scott Handley wrote: > --- Ken Waxman wrote: > > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > > Armstrong > > While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the > new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say > something about the Columbia remasters being inferior > to remasters done by a smaller company, and released > on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about > these releases, if they are still available? Everyone else has already chimed in on the JSP box, but I thought I'd clarify one point. The Penguin Guide was referring to the original single disc issues on Columbia Jazz Masterworks, released back in the '80s. These were dismal indeed. The JSPs brought the music vividly to life. The new Legacy box set contains new transfers from original parts, and is supposed to be a vast improvement over the old Columbias (how could it not be?). The box also contains lavish packaging and notes, plus a few non-Hot Fives & Sevens bonus tracks from other sessions and labels. I've heard that the sound is not a vast improvement over the JSP transfers, so if money is an issue and the music is what matters, go for the JSP, homely packaging and all. But as regards sound, at this point you won't go wrong either way. Just stay far away from those Columbia single discs. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re: February jazz in NYC - wow! Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:42:33 -0500 ..and you won't want to miss Roy Campbell's Shades and Colors of Trane at the Brecht Forum on the 10th! kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Armstrong's best 5 Date: 16 Jan 2001 16:06:24 -0500 (EST) Scott: The guide boosted the John R. T. Davis remasterings released on the JSP label. Check your local big record store or e-mail suplier for availability. Ken --- Scott Handley wrote: > --- Ken Waxman wrote: > > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > > Armstrong > > While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing > the > new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say > something about the Columbia remasters being > inferior > to remasters done by a smaller company, and released > on a small, independent label? Does anyone know > about > these releases, if they are still available? > > Thanks, sorry for the OT, > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: February jazz in NYC - wow! Date: 16 Jan 2001 16:10:33 -0500 (EST) Steve: No need for a seeparate list, since NYC is centre of the world anyways. And you and others can keep those future recs coming. With Manhattan and travel prices we outta city peons need at least a few weeks warning to get the $$$ together to try to get to NYC. Ken --- Steve Smith wrote: > Sorry to piss off anyone not here in New York - > perhaps we should think > about creating a sub-list for New York-based > performances like they have > in so many other cities! - but there's so much good > jazz coming up in > February, I just had to spread the word. And hey, I > suppose that if > you're out of town and see something here to die > for, there's still time > to book tickets... ;-) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: charles tyler and residents Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:17:36 -0400 Hey, in response to an earlier question, the Steve Reid who plays drums on Charles Tylers - Voyage from Jericho is indeed a different person than the Steve Reid from the Rippingtons!!! he's an amazing drummer who has a truly incredible album out - Steve Reid - 'Odyssey of the Oblong Square.' Both this album and the Voyage from Jericho (which includes Arthur Blythe on two tracks) remind me of a bunch of squirrels, juiced up on cocaine, frantically running around the forest stocking up on nuts for the winter season.....fantastic stuff. Regarding an earlier post, I completely forgot about mentioning the REsidents - Duck Stab album, when talking about my favorites, this DEFINITELY is one of their best, in fact I would say, top 3 or 4. Yes, Renaldo and the Loaf is another strange band associated with the REsidents who I also like, I don't think you've really lived until you've heard - REnaldo and the Loaf - Arabic Yodelling! wudz. oh ya, Tim Berne had on his website a number of months ago that a follow up Big Satan album would be "out soon" the notice disapeared, and i've heard nothing since, anyone know anything about this??? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW (EXCERPT) Date: 16 Jan 2001 22:33:23 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! There goes the excerpt from that interview I mentioned. Please accept my apologies for my poor English translation. (Hugo, no te preocupes, cuando tenga un momento te lo envío en español/Hugo, don't worry, when I find the moment I'll send it to you in Spanish.). From "Factory" #4, 1994. "And with regards to your new band, Masada, when, why and how was it born? Two years ago I just decided to focus on composition because I felt that pieces like "Elegy" or "Kristallnacht" were the best I had done and were one of the reasons why I was on this planet, and I thought that if I left my other activities aside and concentrated on composition more pieces would come up, so I stopped playing. After six months I was so bored and lonely that I realized that I only saw my friends when I had to rehearse and that this pieces need years to be created. And what do I do in the meantime? Devote to other things like playing, producing, travelling, collaborating with other artists and writing. I need all of that. Masada was born because I decided to play sax again, and it is a way to spread traditional Jewish music, bringing the classical forms of Hebrew folklore into Miles Davis'jazz and Ornette Coleman's harmolodics, mixing it all, finding new paths in Jewish music." I'm so sorry this is very brief but I don't have more time. If someone finds it extremely interesting I'll be happy to scan the entire interview and send as an attached file. Again, sorry about the mistakes. Hope it helps clarify the reissues affair in some way. Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musician Date: 16 Jan 2001 16:47:31 -0500 on 1/16/01 1:06 PM, stevespangler at stevespangler@mail.otterweb.alumlink.com wrote: > If you're talking about influence on other artists then I'm afraid the list > should be a little less interesting especially in the Blues category. I would > say that Eric Clapton & Stevie Ray Vaughn are much more influential than B.B. > King or Ray Charles. It's sad but true. > What makes you say this? I don't know of a lot of people who have come out and said that they tried to sound like Stevie Ray Vaughn, but there are a whole lot of people who have said that about Ray Charles, and if they didn't say it, they should have owned up. --Mike -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians (Zappa) Date: 16 Jan 2001 23:01:01 +0100 I think anyone with some feeling for music should place Zappa in the toplist, but in which catergory? Jazzrock? Experimental rock? Classical (...)? I think Zappa should be in his own category.. Jeroen Jeroen de Boer music director Cyberslag Foundation Munnekeholm 10 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503634676 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - > What about Frank Zappa? I don't know why but many > people seem to have forgotten about him. >=20 > _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Consiga gratis su direcci=F3n @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es >=20 > - >=20 >=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: a Haino Keiji and Tokyo Flashback question Date: 16 Jan 2001 17:19:55 -0500 Zorns I've asked this before, but does anyone have accurate song titles for the Keiji Haino album "Watashi-Dake" (Only Me) and tracks 4 (Fushitsusha), 7 (Kousokuya), 8 (Haino) from the first Tokyo Flashback cd? Maybe there aren't any. The Haino discography online is silent on the issue. thanks, Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: Armstrong box, misc bad packaging Date: 16 Jan 2001 18:00:45 EST --part1_48.102fac1e.27962c9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone considering buying the Sony-Legacy Hot Fives & Sevens box should decide against it... I've got it (upgrading from the old shitty 1987 Columbia single-discs), and I love the sound and certainly the tunes. but the packaging is so BAD. mine came apart with the usual wear, and the cds themselves slip right out of the packaging. additionally, the glue that holds the paper sleeves together has been known to get on the discs (!). sometime in the next week my plan is to call Sony and have them send me another disc 2, which has got plenty of this glue on it, causing playing problems. the artwork is great, as are the essays, etc, but I now keep the discs in seperate cases. I have the same problem with the 24-disc Duke RCA set. the paper sleeves are a really shitty design... and the binding of the beautiful book lasts about a week until the pages come apart... and to think I used to complain about the bad packaging of my Miles box sets! an award has to go to Savoy for their Live Charlie Parker Royal Roost set. that set is perfect in every way (esp musically!). Does anyone have the Mosaid 18-disc Nat Cole Trio set that came out several years ago? Any comments? Cheers, Dave --part1_48.102fac1e.27962c9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone considering buying the Sony-Legacy Hot Fives & Sevens box should
decide against it...

I've got it (upgrading from the old shitty 1987 Columbia single-discs), and I
love the sound and certainly the tunes. but the packaging is so BAD. mine
came apart with the usual wear, and the cds themselves slip right out of the
packaging. additionally, the glue that holds the paper sleeves together has
been known to get on the discs (!). sometime in the next week my plan is to
call Sony and have them send me another disc 2, which has got plenty of this
glue on it, causing playing problems. the artwork is great, as are the
essays, etc, but I now keep the discs in seperate cases.

I have the same problem with the 24-disc Duke RCA set. the paper sleeves are
a really shitty design... and the binding of the beautiful book lasts about a
week until the pages come apart... and to think I used to complain about the
bad packaging of my Miles box sets!

an award has to go to Savoy for their Live Charlie Parker Royal Roost set.
that set is perfect in every way (esp musically!).

Does anyone have the Mosaid 18-disc Nat Cole Trio set that came out several
years ago? Any comments?

Cheers,
Dave
--part1_48.102fac1e.27962c9d_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: a Haino Keiji and Tokyo Flashback question Date: 16 Jan 2001 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) A secondary question: which TF comp had the Sugimoto (??) guitar ensemble featuring Yoshihide? Or am I off-base with this? ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: bobby previte new CD (and nasty rumors) Date: 16 Jan 2001 18:20:19 -0500 on 1/14/01 2:00 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > Your mole on the scene, Hey Mr. Mole-- ("it's brown, it lives underground, it's myopic...) Ummm... what happens to the resources if a place like KNIT shrivels up and dies? I mean, I'm sitting here dreaming of one day (maybe in a few years if I can ever make a VISION Fest) stopping by and aksing Can I Please scrounge around in your back room Mr. Knit and find out the goddam session dates of a few of these CDs you put out with miserably incomplete info? I'll say it nice. Same deal with WKCR. They have APOGEE tapes, what the hell? And unidentified Shipp Trio broadcast tapes... I'm curious as to where all this stuff might end up. Or even: WHERE IS IT NOW? Closets? Backrooms? And no one has time to deal with it. I've even tried a few times to find some eager beavs to hit the vaults (closets, backrooms) in my stead since I'm a ways away. No luck, ever. Thinking my discographing self to death, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: February jazz in NYC - wow! Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:05:34 -0000 Steve Smith mentioned: > 2/13-18 Dave Douglas New Quintet, Village Vanguard... Chris Potter, Uri > Caine (on Fender Rhodes), James Genus, Clarence Penn Excuse my ignorance, but who are the last two named musicians? I assume a bass player and drummer, but more than that...? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:19:11 -0500 Is there any interesting elctronic avant garde music being put out? Does any one have any suggestions or recommendations? Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Zorn Discography Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:17:49 -0500 Has the idea ever been kicked around of expanding the Zorn discography? It isn't very user friendly and pretty cumbersome. I know there are some web developers in our midst (nice site Maurice). Making the beast searchable and maybe aesthetically pleasing seems like a pretty good idea. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: February jazz in NYC - wow! Date: 16 Jan 2001 21:55:58 -0500 Alastair Wilson wrote: > Steve Smith mentioned: > > > 2/13-18 Dave Douglas New Quintet, Village Vanguard... Chris Potter, Uri > > Caine (on Fender Rhodes), James Genus, Clarence Penn > > Excuse my ignorance, but who are the last two named musicians? I assume a > bass player and drummer, but more than that...? Don't feel ignorant - I should have anticipated the question. James Genus is a towering (literally) young bass player who hails from mainstream circles and plays in Douglas's quartet and sextet. Penn is a young drummer who also spends most of his time in the mainstream. He blends power and precision with the same kind of effortless, unflashy mastery and boundless joy of playing that has marked such drummers as Jimmy Cobb, Billy Higgins and Lewis Nash. I've long wanted to hear him stretch out, and this would seem to be the right occasion. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: late Tim Berne thoughts Date: 16 Jan 2001 19:57:42 -0700 My $.02 on the Tim Berne I know: I agree entirely with Steve (or at least I think it was Steve) when he says that the Bloodcount material on Screwgun has an edge which the JMT stuff is lacking. For me JMT bloodcount is good but the screwgun stuff is just better. The 3CD "unwound" box is great. I haven't heard earlier JMT material but I believe "sactified Dreams" is very available. I'd pick this one up before going for "fulton Street Maul." as for paraphrase I prefer the second recording "please advise." the ducret guitar trio on screwgun is also worth your while. BTW- in this whole 20th cent discussion has Hendrix come up? -- I guess we were trying to stay away from rock(?) Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 16 Jan 2001 22:37:58 EST --part1_ee.fd61a5f.27966d96_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most Erstwhile and Mego releases, including Thomas Lehn (Bart w/Marcus Schmickler), Fennesz (anything), and Pita (Get Out). Other interesting folks include Vladislav Delay (also VD as Uusitalo is really cool), Oval, Thomas Brinkman (and his alter ego Max.Ernst), and the new Ryoji Ikeda "Matrix" double CD is simply sublime. --part1_ee.fd61a5f.27966d96_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most Erstwhile and Mego releases, including Thomas Lehn (Bart w/Marcus
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include Vladislav Delay (also VD as Uusitalo is really cool), Oval, Thomas
Brinkman (and his alter ego Max.Ernst), and the new Ryoji Ikeda "Matrix"
double CD is simply sublime. --part1_ee.fd61a5f.27966d96_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 16 Jan 2001 23:10:55 -0500 Hello Zach, >Is there any interesting elctronic avant garde music being put out? Does >any one have any suggestions or recommendations? I recently purchased the following albums and I really enjoy them: - Brume - Krieg (Intransitive) - Kapotte Muziek - The Use of Recycling (Intransitive) - Francisco Lopez - Belle Confusion 969 (Sonoris) - Francisco Lopez - Untitled #104 (Alien8 recordings) - Daniel Menche - Crawling Towards the Sun (soleilmoon recordings) - Metal Tastes Like Orange (Okura/Muller/Sugimoto/Yoshihide) - Secret Recording 1 (AMOEBiC) This being said, I am not a specialist when it comes to electronic music and other members of the list could probably give you better suggestions... Hope it helps, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 16 Jan 2001 20:57:45 -0800 TDWR: http://www.pfmentum.com/pith.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Egan" Subject: Odp: bobby previte new CD Date: 16 Jan 2001 22:25:02 -0800 > > Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the > > Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across > > Europe, can't get a gig > > or a deal in the U.S. > > did they record anything? ( and why don't they play somewhere > in central Europe?) > > Marcin Gokieli There are tapes of a couple of really superb FM broadcasts from their European tours floating around. I mean, they're really so good I'm surprised they can't get any attention in the States. It IS really '80s downtown material though. Maybe that's the problem. I have exactly the same problem with Horvitz's 4+1 Ensemble. They play European tours regularly, but haven't played in Seattle for almost three years now, in spite of the fact that everyone in the band lives in Seattle. I asked Wayne once to let me know when the band was next on tour so I could arrange a trip. Wayne's theory (as I understood it) about the European market for Jazz and other things cultural is that it's a remnant of the cold war. Where the Americans competed with the Communist world in terms of military might, Europeans were competetive in the cultural arenas. Of course there's no point in competition of that sort any more, and I wonder if support for creative music will fade in Europe as well. Marcin, have you heard anything about WSJD '01 yet? I heard that Zony Mash is going to be there this year. I understand Zony Mash is working on booking the whole festival circuit over there. Anyone know who else is on tour? - Dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Westphal Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 16 Jan 2001 22:42:18 -0800 here are the first few experimental or non-run-of-the-mill electronic artists/labels that come to my mind: 1. Bogdan Raczynski - king of drill and bass. If you have a taste for drum and bass and are looking for something a little out of the ordinary, check out Bogdan. http://www.bogdanraczynski.com/ 2. Pansonic - minimal experimantation. sometimes ambient, sometimes beat based. Several side projects as well. http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/panasonic/ 3. Thomas Brinkmann - He was mentioned in a previous e-mail but I think he should be mentioned again. Brinkmann is part of the Cologne Germany scene. He built a 2 arm turntable for the remix of R. Hawtin's work (this album is highly recommended). Minimal techno at its finest. He also goes by the names Ester Brinkmann, Soul Center among others. http://www.max-ernst.de/ 4. Sub Rosa - Belgian label that puts out some experimental electronic among other styles. Two comps that come to mind are from their -remix series, Sub Rosa vs Shi-Ra-Nui (Japanese Breaks Label) and the other, Sub Rosa vs Kompakt (the Cologne base minimal techno label). The Kompakt comp is excellent. http://www.subrosa.net/ 5. Raster-Noton - German experimental label that release the 1999 CD series titled "20' to 2000". The idea was to create music for the last 20 minutes of the millennium. 12 electronic artists participated and CDs were sent out 1 per month. Some very interesting work came about. http://www.raster-noton.de/ At 07:19 PM 01/16/2001 -0500, &c. wrote: >Is there any interesting elctronic avant garde music being put out? Does >any one have any suggestions or recommendations? > >Zach > > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: celestial harmonies Date: 17 Jan 2001 00:33:12 -0800 (PST) i remember some discussion regarding the music of islam series on celestial harmonies some time ago. does anyone have any recommendations regarding the celestial harmonies label, (specifically the armenian box set i've had my eye on...) thanks. aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Odp: bobby previte new CD Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:41:39 +0100 >>From: Steve Smith >> >>Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the >>Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across Europe, can't get >>a gig >>or a deal in the U.S. >From: "Marcin Gokieli" > >why don't they play somewhere in central Europe? > >Marcin Gokieli they did two tours in August and November 2000 in Germany, Austria and other countries. This can be called central Europe... Andreas PS: the concert I saw in November was far from sold out np: Buckethead - Colma _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Emergency Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:56:09 +0100 >From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com > >how nice, then, to go to a well-run rock club last night. the sound at >mercury >lounge is always great and the people that work there aren't mean to you. >zorn/ >ribot/medeski/wollenson (emergency) were on fire, mostly mining soul jazz >grooves but breaking into some nicely splintered noise as well. wonder if >this >is a new jz project fermenting? it reminded me a bit of those lovely early >days >of rotating masadas. It´s not really new. They were in Europe two years ago. I would love to see a recording of this dream team in the near future. Andreas np: Kato Hideki - Hope & Despair (with Mr. Z playing piano) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Steve Reid Date: 17 Jan 2001 15:20:40 +0100 Here are some comments from Ahmed Abdullah on Steve Reid posted last month on the Sun Ra list: I've been asked off list to comment on Steve Reid. I believe I have done so in the past but in any event just to correct some things: Steve did play with Sun Ra, very briefly, mabybe a gig or two in the late 1960s. I met Steve sometime in the 1960s. I sat in with a with band that he was a part of that was led by Charles Tyler, at that time. In the late 1960s we formed a band, a collective unit known as the Masterbrotherhood. It was the first creative ensemble I worked with. We stayed together for about three years from 1969-72. The band consisted of Joe Rigby saxophones, Mustafa Abdul Rahman bass clarinet, Arthur Williams trumpet, Les Walker piano, Joe Falcone bass, Steve Reid drums and myself on trumpet. During the time we were together we never recorded. In March 1976, a year after I began working with Sun Ra and before the Wildflower Sessions in May 1976, and four months before the Montreux recording by Sun Ra, we decided to document the existence of the Masterbrotherhood. I want you to understand that this was a collective endeavor and should never have been released as Steve Reid and the Masterbrotherhood but should simply have been called the Masterbrotherhood. The idea of the collective is so much a part of that recording that any one who owns one will notice that compositions are included by Joe Rigby, Les Walker and myself. The track that is used for the Universal Sounds of America bootleg is in fact my song, and my arrangement of that song, Lions of Judah. Steve has paid dearly for his actions around this recording and other incidents, so at this point in his life I wish him all the best. But there is another really wonderful recording, Odyssey of the Oblong Square (Charles Tyler, Arthur Blythe, David Wertman, Mohammed Abdullah, Steve Reid and myself), that was a similar collective endeavor and ended up on Steve's label, as Steve's recording. Karma is a heavy thing. Steve has been homeless for many years. I had heard that he was on the Tutu recording with Miles but I don't know for sure. I've also heard that he is playing once again but I have not seem him in probably about 13 years. He is the drummer on Arthur Blythe's first two recordings as a leader, The Grip and Metamorphosis. I believe that Steve Reid was at one time a very inventive and creative drummer and a very intelligent person which makes his fall even more tragic. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Re[2]: Emergency Date: 17 Jan 2001 10:24:50 -0500 Andreas Dietz and me said: >From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com > >how nice, then, to go to a well-run rock club last night. the sound at= =20 >mercury >lounge is always great and the people that work there aren't mean to y= ou.=20 >zorn/ >ribot/medeski/wollenson (emergency) were on fire, mostly mining soul j= azz >grooves but breaking into some nicely splintered noise as well. wonder= if=20 >this >is a new jz project fermenting? it reminded me a bit of those lovely e= arly=20 >days >of rotating masadas. It=B4s not really new. They were in Europe two years ago. I would love = to see=20 a recording of this dream team in the near future. >>> yeah, i've seen 'em before, too. i shoulda been more clear. i wonder if= 'emergency' might transition from jam band to a new vehicle for zorn compositions is what i meant. not 'project' so much as 'Project.' really done with bands? we'll see how long that lasts... kg np: ennio morricone 'tie me up, tie me down' soundtrack np: Kato Hideki - Hope & Despair (with Mr. Z playing piano) _______________________________________________________________________= __ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.co= m. = - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DRoyko@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong box, misc bad packaging (Winter&Winter) Date: 17 Jan 2001 10:29:11 EST I've e-mailed Winter&Winter about their packaging, which is very pretty but functionally as bad as any I have ever seen. I automatically transfer the CD to a jewel case when I get one of their albums, and even so, half the time the disc ends up scratched or scuffed from the one single time I remove it from their packaging. It's a joke that they show so much care for the aesthetic aspects of the packaging and are completely clueless as to functionality. Usually I don't care about stupid packaging, but when it damages the CD, it is infuriating. Dave Royko - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Bobby Previte-Tim Berne Date: 17 Jan 2001 12:13:55 -0500 Dave Egan wrote: >There are tapes of a couple of really superb FM broadcasts from their >European tours floating around. I mean, they're really so good I'm >surprised they can't get any attention in the States. It IS really '80s >downtown material though. Maybe that's the problem. IMHO Bump the Renaissance is more a style of composing/arranging for Bobby than it is an actual band. I've seen the band with Horvitz, Ehrlich, Ray Anderson and Bob Stewart on tuba, and with various configurations including Steve Swallow and different horns. But the arrangements retain their flavor regardless of the personnel. I'm not sure that '80s downtown has any real meaning here, to me it's more of an updated Art Blakey or perhaps an extension of Previte's involvement in the Sonny Clark Memorial. I think his Weather Clear Track Fast projects fall into the same category. I recall attending Bobby's massive 20th Anniversary celebration a couple of years ago and being struck by the strength of his composing, and how the songs came through so vividly regardless of the completely different bands on stage. Claude's Late Morning still sounds so fresh to me, as do all the WCTF recordings. His work is not easy to categorize, perhaps this is more of a problem than any supposed attachment to a downtown sound. There were a number of broadcasts done of Bump the Renaissance on European radio. Tapes are floating around. Hopefully the latest version which includes Joseph Bowie also got some air time. Why this band doesn't have a recording contract is not hard to figure out. Jazz doesn't sell. Big labels won't touch it, small labels have a difficult time gettting distributed. Tim Berne sells his stuff on line. I assume he does this out of necessity due to a lack of recording idustry interest in his music. Bravo that he has maintained this stance for a few years now, and produced some terrific releases like the 3CD Bloodcount and the Empire Box. I suppose that Bobby's Depth of Field was not quite worth the effort. Too bad, as a The Horse box set was in the works. Maybe someday. Alan Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: james genus Date: 17 Jan 2001 09:20:40 -0800 Bass isn't the only thing he plays. He's got the 6-10 a.m. slot on KLON-FM in the L.A. area, mainstream jazz.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:05:04 -0000 James Marshall Hendrix... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Jump11 at the Brecht Date: 17 Jan 2001 15:11:01 -0500 Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum and JumpArts present... Jump Festival Eleven Avant-jazz, dance, poetry and art January 19th 8pm The Shoko Nagai Quintet 9pm JD Parran & Bern Nix (poetry) 10pm Downtown Horns Daniel Carter, Roy Campbell, Sabir Mateen 11pm Ras Moshe's liberated Zone Todd Nicholson, Matthew Heyner, Greg Stare, Mat LaVelle, Ryan Sawyer January 20th 8pm Aleta Hayes & Patricia Nicholson (dance) w/ special guests 9pm Alex Harding's Free Flow 10pm Billy Bang Solo 11pm Marc Edwards "Slipstream Time Travel" w/Special Guest, Roy Campbell Tor Snyder, Marc Edwards, Sabir Mateen live painting throughout the evening by Les Seifer & M.P. Landis -------------------------- Painting by Randee Silv (both nights) @ The Brecht Forum (122 West 27th Street - 10th Floor) $6 per night - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Avant Garde electronica Date: 17 Jan 2001 14:19:25 -0700 In addition to some of the recommendations that have already come through the list you might want to check out: -Otomo Yoshihide's "Cathode" on Tzadik -Bernhard Gunter (either recording on the label Table of the elements...usually availible at www.anomalousrecords.com) -Kevin Drumm "second" or perhaps "comedy" -Karkowski "it" on Mego (this is a 3" CD) -Wabi Sabi (who is Marcus Schmickler) self-titled on A-Music in terms of some things already mentioned: Thomas Brinkmann - the richie hawtin remix album "Concept 1:96" or some such title is well worth it... Richie Hawtin himself has made a decent recording called "consumed" under the alias Plastikman with Fennesz I'd start with "hotel paral.lel" on Touch with Vladislav Delay stay away from "multila" on Chain-reaction and get the Mille Plateaux release "entain" for techno type electonica: Robert Hood "internal empire" tresor Christian Vogel "absolute Time" tresor (i personally prefer the Vogel) for improvised electronic music don't miss: AMM (table-top guitarist KEITH ROWE in paricular who recently released a solo on Grob) GUNTER MUELLER -- Mueller runs the label for4ears out of switzerland and he has appeared on numberous recordings over the past year. check out Mueller/Ninh at www.erstwhilerecords.com -- you'll also find a Mueller/Rowe/Sugimoto trio there. Both are excellent. hope this helps. you can find a lot of this stuff at www.fe.org Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: London concert announcement-Ticklish Date: 17 Jan 2001 17:40:01 EST if anyone goes to this, I'd love to hear about it, especially the video part. TICKLISH LIVE PERFORMANCE AND CD LAUNCH with special guest CLIFF STAPLETON (SOLO HURDY GURDY) AND DJS TOM WALLACE & TIMESLICE 8.PM TO 12.PM FRIDAY 26TH JANUARY AT "FIVE YEARS" 40 UNDERW0OOD STREET, LONDON N1 (NEAREST TUBE -OLD STREET) BAR ADMISSION IS FREE The CD "Ticklish" is available now on Grob records (GROB212) and distributed in the UK by Harmonia Mundi and in the USA by Forced Exposure. Ticklish is Phil Durrant/Rob Flint/Kev Hopper/Richard Sanderson- electronics and video further info from www.churchofgrob.com Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musicians Date: 17 Jan 2001 14:53:07 -0800 >>>James Marshall Hendrix...<<< amen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Avant Garde electronica Date: 17 Jan 2001 18:51:01 -0500 > for techno type electonica: > Robert Hood "internal empire" tresor > Christian Vogel "absolute Time" tresor > (i personally prefer the Vogel) In terms of the tech-esque stuff, I'd recommend Richard Devine and the Schematic records crew. Very hard driving fucked-up DSP madness. Also great on the crazed tip are Kid606, Datach'i, the Penguin Mechanics compilations. I think that the new Cristian Vogel is the one to get, but I've only heard two others. But who knows, maybe you have an aversion to beats? Cheers, Nirav AIM: Icefactory37 -- OnNow- Richard Devine- Lipswitch "Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time." - R. Buckminster Fuller - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: RE: Avant Garde electronica Date: 17 Jan 2001 20:47:51 -0600 Also check out the many many 'crossover' electronic artists who have ties with the techno/dance/industrial side of the scene (we've gone into a thread here about such folks recently). Some that are my favorites are: Dead Voices on Air - i actually am somewhat surprised that Mark Spybey isn't included more in discussions about improvisational music, since he's all about spontaneous music making and electronic manipulation of odd sounds. A lot of what he's done with cEvin key (Download) is also avant-garde in nature. The whole kid606 and Autechre (and to a much lesser extent Aphex Twin and Squarepusher) line of folk of course. 'Lithops' (part of Mouse on Mars) has a really neato release called "uni umit" on O'Rourke's new label, and along these same lines are folks like Ikue Mori, Nobukazu Takemura, and the not to be missed electronic abstractions of Tetsu Inoue. Also for some minimal approaches to this, Diego Cortez is a great great artist. Someone mentioned the mille plateaux label, and I'd like to add that they have a great collection of minimal sound electronic artists (kid606 mentioned, also Achim Wollscheid and Akira Rabelais). Gray Code, the quartet I perform in regularly, is touring this fall appearing (among other places) at the Knitting Factory and Pauline Oliveros's Deep Listening Space. We incorporate a very rich and healthy mix of acoustic and electronic processes, so if you're interested in electro-acoustic improvisation at all, you won't want to miss us! Many many mp3's available at our site: http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3 Hope this was some help! matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Sun Ra Album Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:23:06 -0500 A Sun Ra double album was mentioned several monthes ago. It was billed as a good introduction to his music. I lost the email that contained the recomendation. To who ever gave me the original recommendation, could you jog my memory? Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Re: Sun Ra Album Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:37:43 -0500 I'd say that a super double album introduction to Sun Ra would be "Live at Montreux," which came out on the Inner City label in the early 70s. Don't know if it's on disc. Nice, insane synth noise, piano sweetness, and beautiful saxophone blasting. "&c." wrote: > A Sun Ra double album was mentioned several monthes ago. It was billed as a > good introduction to his music. I lost the email that contained the > recomendation. To who ever gave me the original recommendation, could you > jog my memory? > > Zach > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pierre Toussaint Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:39:26 -0500 Ren=E9 Lussier and Martin T=E9treault - Qu'ou=EFs-je http://www.actuellec= d.com Maybe not exactly electronic music, but anyway. His last concerts in Montr=E9al were certainly more electronic than his first turntable experiments. David Kristian- Cricklewood http://www.alien8recordings.com David Kristian- Room Tone http://www.alien8recordings.com Most of is stuff is interesting. Oval- ovalprocess http://www.thrilljockey.com It's the only one I know but I was told that it's not is best. Speedy J- A Shocking Hobby Speedy J- Public Energy no. 1 Maybee not that avant-garde, but noisy enough for some. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Hot Fives Date: 17 Jan 2001 23:22:00 EST In a message dated 1/17/01 2:29:21 AM, you wrote: << Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say > something about the Columbia remasters being inferior>> tho i havent done a 1-on1 comparison, i love the sound on my c.1978 UK 5 Lp box from EMI/World records steve koenig n.p.: david krakauer: a new hot one (label bleu) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 17 Jan 2001 23:57:51 -0500 Hello, >Ren=E9 Lussier and Martin T=E9treault - Qu'ou=EFs-je http://www.actuelle= cd.com I still have to hear this one, but their previous album, _Dur Noyau Dur_,= was=20 quite nice in my opinion... >Maybe not exactly electronic music, but anyway. His last concerts in >Montr=E9al were certainly more electronic than his first turntable >experiments. Do mean the one at Casa del Popolo with Jason Talbot (thank you very much= by=20 the way), Howard Stezler and Michael Bullock? His set was nice, but I fou= nd=20 the improvs with Jason Talbot and Howard Stezler more interesting. Tschuss, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Garde Electronica Date: 18 Jan 2001 00:45:11 EST In a message dated 1/18/01 12:00:26 AM, belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA write= s: << >Ren=E9 Lussier and Martin T=E9treault - Qu'ou=EFs-je http://www.actuelle= cd.com I still have to hear this one, but their previous album, _Dur Noyau Dur_, wa= s=20 quite nice in my opinion... >> it should be noted that on Dur Noyau Dur, they play their primary=20 instruments, guitars and turntables respectively, while on Qu'ou=EFs-je?, th= ey=20 play daxophone and synth, so they're not especially comparable.=20 avant-garde electronic music is a pretty vast field currently, as=20 demonstrated by the range of responses to the initial query. there's a=20 recommended list on my site, listing my favorite releases from last year.=20 shockingly, most of them involve electronics in some way. on a related topic, I'd be curious to hear more opinions regarding Ryoji=20 Ikeda's Matrix. I was a huge fan of +/- when it was released, as some here=20 may recall, but Matrix seems to me like a pretty static installation piece=20 which I find a chore to actively listen to. I seem to be in the decided=20 minority though, which is what makes me curious. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN COMPLETE INTERVIEW Date: 18 Jan 2001 09:40:58 +0100 (CET) Hi there! I'll be happy to send the complete interview to all who asked for it. I should say though, that you will have to be a little patient since I'll have a couple of really busy weeks: exams at the University and lots of work in my job -I'm an Acquisitions and Sales agent in a Film Distribution Company. Please be patient! I promise I'll send as soon as possible. Also note that the issue of that magazine is pretty devastated. No pictures on it anymore. Again, don't worry about the delay, I'll send it! Greetings, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ANOTHER ZORN EXCERPT-ZORN'S CONTRADICTIONS Date: 18 Jan 2001 09:52:07 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! Here goes another excerpt taken from the book ITINERARI OLTRE IL SUONO: JOHN ZORN (Materiali Sonori). From a Zorn's article from 1992 entitled: "L'Atalante". "...visually, L'Atalante is without doubt Vigo's most supreme achievement, and one of the pinnacles of film. He has mysteriously found a way to express our deepest feelings in strange surrealistic images- AND UNLIKE THE SELF-INDULGENT ARTISTIC POSING OF A DIRECTOR LIKE DAVID LYNCH, WHOSE IMAGES ARE SHALLOW AND PRETENTIOUS- VIGO'S IMAGES HAVE A RESONANCE..." Can anyone imagine why Mr. Lynch appeared in Elegy's acknowledgements? Note that the article and the piece were released the same year!!! See you, Efrén P.D: You can find more info on this book at: http//:www.matson.it e-mail: matinfo@matson.it It's a bilingual edition in Italian and English. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: SPANISH SCENE Date: 18 Jan 2001 10:07:30 +0100 (CET) Dear Rudy, Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a single record by any Spanish artists. There is in my hometown, Barcelona, sort of a small group of musicians that was quite into avant-garde/electronic music. Within that group the most household name is Mark Cunningham, from NYC and former member of the defunct MARS, who moved to Cataluña many years ago- a decision I cannot understand at all. He's played with RAEO, a collective that blends electronics and improvisation that never made a dent on me. I would say that their music is pretty gratuitous. Sorry about my awful impressions. I can assure that my economy suffers the "import fever" but I'd rather spend double the price of a domestic release than listening to so much garbage. As a conclusion, I would say that most of the Spanish bands were trying to be Sonic Youth about five years ago. Right now they're either bad imitations of Tortoise or directly mainstream pop with no interest. Worst of all is when they try to be "modernly electronic". Maybe you heard about Pascal Comelade. Not that bad but he's a French-born musician despite his living in Northern Catalonia. Greetings, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE Date: 18 Jan 2001 05:47:20 -0500 At 10:07 AM 1/18/01 +0100, efr=E9n del valle wrote: >Dear Rudy, > >Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish >scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you >asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a single >record by any Spanish artists. > >There is in my hometown, Barcelona, sort of a small >group of musicians that was quite into >avant-garde/electronic music.=20 Isn't Pan Sonic based in Barcelona (I know they're originally from Scandinavia)? And how about everyone's favorite ultra-minimalist, Francisco Lopez? -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: FS: Painkiller, Schutze, Vidna Obmana Date: 18 Jan 2001 06:18:55 -0500 I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $28 -- Painkiller - "Execution Ground" US 2CD (Subharmonic) 1995 [Autographed by Zorn, Laswell & Harris (not personalized).] $20 -- Paul Sch=FCtze - "Deus Ex Machina" AUS CD (Extreme: cd001) 1989 [Excellent debut for Extreme. A 59 minute soundtrack piece, "Panic Heat Vengeance", for the "DEM" installation. Out of prin= t.] $25 -- Vidna Obmana - "Revealed By Composed Nature" ITA CD (Hic Sunt Leones: hsl005) 1993 [Early work by this Belgian ambient artist. Guest appearance by PBK.] Thanks for looking. -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ari" Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE Date: 18 Jan 2001 12:20:19 +0100 >>Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish >>scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you >>asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a single >>record by any Spanish artists. > Isn't Pan Sonic based in Barcelona (I know they're originally from > Scandinavia)? And how about everyone's favorite ultra-minimalist, > Francisco Lopez? And the pianist Agusti Fernandez... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hywel Davies Subject: november/ giuffre Date: 18 Jan 2001 05:28:51 -0800 (PST) Has anyone heard releases on the November label, apart from the "theremin noir" cd which has been mentioned here previously? also, has anyone got details of a Jimmy Giuffre release "Olympia 1960-66"? thanks... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE Date: 18 Jan 2001 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Far be it from me to but in about the scene in Barcelona, since I was only there once about a decade ago and didn't even see any music --or signs of any outside of pop-rock. However, Efran and others, what about the improvising pianist Augusti Fernández? He has recorded discs with Evan Parker, Marilyn Croispell, William Parker and Susie Ibarra that IMHO sounds quiet good. Ken Waxman --- efrén del valle wrote: > Dear Rudy, > > Unfortunately there is almost nothing in the Spanish > scene that really deserves to be mentioned. If you > asked me, I would be unable to recommend you a > single > record by any Spanish artists. > > There is in my hometown, Barcelona, sort of a small > group of musicians that was quite into > avant-garde/electronic music. Within that group the > most household name is Mark Cunningham, from NYC and > former member of the defunct MARS, who moved to > Cataluña many years ago- a decision I cannot > understand at all. He's played with RAEO, a > collective > that blends electronics and improvisation that never > made a dent on me. I would say that their music is > pretty gratuitous. > > Sorry about my awful impressions. I can assure that > my > economy suffers the "import fever" but I'd rather > spend double the price of a domestic release than > listening to so much garbage. > > As a conclusion, I would say that most of the > Spanish > bands were trying to be Sonic Youth about five years > ago. Right now they're either bad imitations of > Tortoise or directly mainstream pop with no > interest. > Worst of all is when they try to be "modernly > electronic". > > Maybe you heard about Pascal Comelade. Not that bad > but he's a French-born musician despite his living > in > Northern Catalonia. > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: top 10 cds of 2001 Date: 18 Jan 2001 12:46:40 -0500 1. Matthew Shipp's New Orbit ..to be continued. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: apologies -- no JZ Date: 18 Jan 2001 10:20:06 -0800 i have been notified that james genus the bassist is not james janisse the deeJay. i will clam up now. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Update re: Koch and Tzadik Date: 18 Jan 2001 13:55:00 -0500 As it turns out, your mole on the downtown scene was handed a duff piece of info. Koch International is still "proudly" distributing Tzadik, Avant, DIW and Knitting Factory. I've got this straight from the VP for whom I used to work five years ago, so it's reliable. The only label dropped was Table of the Elements/Xeric. Sorry about the panic. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik Date: 18 Jan 2001 11:43:19 -0800 (PST) --- Steve Smith wrote: [re: Koch] The only label > dropped was Table of the Elements/Xeric. When you mentioned in your earlier post that the TotE stock had been effectively "impounded" by Koch, what does that mean? Sorry, I don't know music distribution very well; why isn't the stock returned to the label? And BTW, does anyone know what the status on the Table of the Elements website? I mean, it's been vacant for weeks now, maybe months; I'm curious if anyone knows what's happening. Best, ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik Date: 18 Jan 2001 14:56:12 EST In a message dated 1/18/01 2:44:31 PM, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << And BTW, does anyone know what the status on the Table of the Elements website? I mean, it's been vacant for weeks now, maybe months; I'm curious if anyone knows what's happening. >> what web site is this? the only one I ever recall seeing from them was www.tonyconrad.com which was up when they released his box set, and had info about other TOTE stuff, but was never updated. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Louis Armstrong Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:25:09 -0500 Are the JSP recordings all seperate? I could only find volumes 1, 2, and 4 on CDNow. Will I have better luck on Amazon? Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Teichman Subject: music in paris Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:04:15 -0500 Hi! I was just wondering, does anyone know of a good place or two in Paris to get "our" kind of music (hehehe, whatever that is. Well, I suppose any zorny, matt shippish, brotzmanny avant-jazzish downtown music gallery kind of stuff will do)? Also, any tips on used CD stores there in general would be quite cool. thanks, -Matt Teichman - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Re: Louis Armstrong JSR box Date: 18 Jan 2001 15:44:36 -0600 >X-Originating-IP: [209.204.124.65] >From: "&c." >To: >Subject: Louis Armstrong >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:25:09 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 20:20:27.0495 (UTC) >FILETIME=[18A07F70:01C0818C] >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Are the JSP recordings all seperate? I could only find volumes 1, 2, and 4 >on CDNow. Will I have better luck on Amazon? > >Zach > >- Zach, I'm listening to my newly arrived JSP Hot Fives & Sevens as I typo this reply: CDNow has the box, for something like US$17.77 + shipping. It's hidden rather far down in the full listing of Satch items, but worth finding. The sound, by the way, is wonderful. The box is made from rather flimsy cardboard, the same as the recent Columbia Mingus box (or Blue Note's box of Lee Morgan's Lighthouse set; or Nessa's box for their AEC box). I can't imagine anyone listening to the Hot Fives/Sevens and ever wondering again why Pops remains an awesome figure in improv. Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Louis Armstrong Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:25:09 -0500 Are the JSP recordings all seperate? I could only find volumes 1, 2, and 4 on CDNow. Will I have better luck on Amazon? Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: barry guy in NYC Date: 18 Jan 2001 17:25:32 EST sorry, Brian, it's not the much awaited LJCO performance, but maybe this'll tide you over. February 20 at Tonic (www.tonicnyc.com): Maya Homburger & Barry Guy plus Marilyn Crispell, Barry Guy & Gerry Hemingway at 8:00pm, $10 Double Bill Maya Homburger & Barry Guy: A rare NYC appearance from England's leading improvising bassist, Barry Guy. Guy founded the London Jazz Composer's Orchestra in 1970 and has also worked with John Stevens' Spontaneous Music Ensemble, Trevor Watts, Derek Bailey, Evan Parker, Bill Dixon, and many more. In this set he teams with violinist Maya Homburger for a more classical exploration. The two have recorded one album for ECM called "Ceremony." Marilyn Crispell, Barry Guy & Gerry Hemingway: Marilyn and Gerry have been perhaps most visible in Anthony Braxton's groups in the 80's and 90's, but have been playing as a duo and in a variety of other projects in the past two decades as well. This meeting with Guy promises to be a memorable one. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik Date: 18 Jan 2001 17:54:29 EST --part1_c7.5ec740e.2798ce25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tableftheelments.com was only up for a month or so, and only highlighted the last three releases (Pauline Oliveros, Inside The Dream Syndicate, and David Grubbs). Really dull site. In the new issue of the Wire is a blurb on a forthcoming TOTE 3 CD box of unreleased John Cale material w/Tony Conrad, Angus Maclise, etc. No release date, but I can't wait. I believe it's called Early Minimalism Part 2. --part1_c7.5ec740e.2798ce25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tableftheelments.com was only up for a month or so, and only highlighted the
last three releases (Pauline Oliveros, Inside The Dream Syndicate, and David
Grubbs). Really dull site.

In the new issue of the Wire is a blurb on a forthcoming TOTE 3 CD box of
unreleased John Cale material w/Tony Conrad, Angus Maclise, etc. No release
date, but I can't wait. I believe it's called Early Minimalism Part 2. --part1_c7.5ec740e.2798ce25_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: music in paris Date: 18 Jan 2001 18:17:59 -0500 At 04:04 PM 1/18/01 -0500, Matt Teichman wrote: >Hi! > >I was just wondering, does anyone know of a good place or two in Paris to= =20 >get "our" kind of music (hehehe, whatever that is. Well, I suppose any=20 >zorny, matt shippish, brotzmanny avant-jazzish downtown music gallery kind= =20 >of stuff will do)? Also, any tips on used CD stores there in general would= =20 >be quite cool. Instants Chavir=E9s (http://home.worldnet.fr/~instant/) has great live music= . It's a little hole in the wall easy walking distance from the Robespierre metro stop. We saw one of Tim Hodgkinson's groups there, it's a great place to hear music. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Phil Minton + nmperign Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:45:35 -0800 (PST) 8pm Wednesday January 24, 2001 Phil Minton, voice (UK) Solo, and in Duos and Trios w/ nmperign: Greg Kelley, trumpet Bhob Rainey, soprano saxophone @ The ICA 955 Boylston Street Boston MA Admission: $16, $12 Students/Seniors Tickets available at Twisted Village Records 12B Eliot Street Cambridge, MA www.twistedvillage.com 617-354-6898 For info on Phil Minton: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mminton.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Update re: Koch and Tzadik Date: 18 Jan 2001 21:00:01 -0500 Scott Handley wrote: > --- Steve Smith wrote: > [re: Koch] The only label > > dropped was Table of the Elements/Xeric. > > When you mentioned in your earlier post that the TotE > stock had been effectively "impounded" by Koch, what > does that mean? Sorry, I don't know music > distribution very well; why isn't the stock returned > to the label? I think it means they are owed a lot of money that they don't expect to recoup. This might - MIGHT - also mean that you will soon find remaindered ToTE stuff at rock-bottom prices at places like the Tower Annexes and Berkshire. But I don't really know for sure. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Gustav Mahler/Deryk Cooke, Symphony No. 10 - first movement, Berlin Phil/Rattle (EMI) - god, such angst-filled beauty... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emilian Gatzov Subject: 11 cds for trade (half zorn-related) Date: 19 Jan 2001 05:13:50 -0500 (EST) Sorry for crossposting=85 I have some cds I'd like to trade, some members m= ight be interested. Emilian  Eliott Sharp & Carbon - Larynx (SST) w/the Soldier String Qt  William Hooker - Armageddon (Homestead) w/DJ Olive, R. Keene etc.  Praxis - Sacrifist (Subharmonic) w/Laswell, Harris, Eye, Buckethea= d, Zorn etc  Aziza Mustafa Zadeh =96 Seventh Truth (Sony)w/Ramesh Shotam on ind= ian perc.  Muslimgauze - Return of Black September (Staalplaat)  Robert Musso =96 Absolute Music (MUworks)=20  Clusone Trio =96 I Am An Indian (Gramavision) Michael Moore, E. Ri= jseger, Han Bennink  Orbitronik - s/t (World Domination) Brian Ladd & Scot Gibbons  Frigg =96 Brecht (Knitting Factory)=20  John Surman Quartet =96 Stranger than Fiction (ECM)  Chris & Cosey - Collectiv Four: Archive Recordings (CTI) note: I'm not in US if you care about this. --- Pager 244916=20 (through http://www.mobikom.bg/mobipage/index.html ) FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: bobby previte new CD Date: 17 Jan 2001 12:27:10 +0100 > Marcin, have you heard anything about WSJD '01 yet? I heard that Zony Mash > is going to be there this year. I understand Zony Mash is working on > booking the whole festival circuit over there. Anyone know who else is on > tour? I know nothing precise about WSJD. Douglas Tiny Bell is supposed to come here in march. I'll let you know - it may be of interest to everyone, since the festival is professionally recrded and filmed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Tim Berne Date: 19 Jan 2001 06:58:41 EST Thanks to this list for turning me on to Tim Berne and Bloodcount. In the last few days I've gotten all of the Screwgun discs (which, as you know, are packaged in a unique but frustrating way), a couple of the JMT discs, and a couple of other Berne projects. More JMT discs are en route. The one disc I haven't been able to locate is "Fractured Fairy Tales." If anyone stumbles across a copy please let me know. I've also been on a bit of a Marty Ehrlich quest, and one of my best finds so far has Marty playing on Braxton's 4CD "Live At Yoshi's 94." Time to read liner notes... Thanks again, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Fumio Yasuda, _Kakyoku_ Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:20:14 +0100 (MET) Just received a terrific new Winter & Winter release, _Kakyoku_ by one =46umio Yasuda (b. 1953). Part piano recital, a large part string symphony, = a little sampled percussion and ambient soundscaping and one smokin=B4 accordian-led tango, I find the whole sixty-five minute piece totally beguiling. Old fave Ernst Reijseger provides some lovely cello interludes, and the European Art Orchestra of Stuttgart flesh out the rest of the dominant string passages. Some of the lilting string instrumental passages could easily work as background music to an early-sixties romantic comedy featuring, oh I don=B4t know, say Audrey Hepburn. There is very little information about composer/pianist Yasuda provided in the press release, aside from the fact that he has recorded a solo piano album and worked with the Slovakian National Philharmonic during the nineties, along with collaborating (on installations? the notes don=B4t specifiy) with photographer Nobuyoshi Araki, whose brilliant colour close-ups of flowers adorn the accompanying booklet to this release. Anyone else familiar with this fine artist? All the best, Stephen Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:34:55 +0100 (CET) Dear Ken, You're right. Agustí Fernández is an amazing pianist and improviser that's even played some venues in NYC. With regards to that CD you mentioned, I have a live recording along with Susie Ibarra and William Parker at the Joan Miró Foundation in Barcelona. It was recorded about three years ago. It's superb! By the way, maybe things have changed enough since you were in Barcelona. It's true that there's no such avant-garde/jazz/improv scene but we still manage to get import material anyway. In fact, we have a concert on January 26 with the Eskelin/Parkins/Black trio. In December we were blessed with David S. Ware's Quartet presence. Things are not that dull here! Greetings, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: RE: SPANISH SCENE Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:46:09 +0100 (CET) Hi! Thanks for recommending musicians I didn't know of. It's true that I forgot some of them like AGUSTÍ FERNÁNDEZ. I'm sure that if I stopped to think I would find good things for all of you but this probably means that my search has to be real thorough. I don't need to think that much when I'm referring to the American market, for instance. Regards, Efrén P.D: Please don't tell Mark about my opinions :-) _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:48:42 +0100 (CET) Hi Caleb! I don't know whether Pan Sonic are based here or not. I didn't know about Francisco Lopez. I'll make sure to check him out. Thanks, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW CONFIRMATION Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:54:26 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! I see that my offer for Zorn's interview has enjoyed massive success. I think that attached files are not allowed in the list. Am I wrong? It would be much easier. Please note that the interview is in Spanish. If you're good boys and boot-lick just a little bit I could translate the whole thing for you :-) Sounds good? ...I'm afraid it does. Please let me know about attached files. Regards, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW CONFIRMATION (forgot something) Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:56:36 +0100 (CET) I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO BE A BIT PATIENT. I'VE GOT MY UNIVERSITY EXAMS, VERY BUSY WITH MY JOB AND THE TRANSLATION WILL TAKE SOME TIME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATTER IN ADVANCE. Hi everyone! I see that my offer for Zorn's interview has enjoyed massive success. I think that attached files are not allowed in the list. Am I wrong? It would be much easier. Please note that the interview is in Spanish. If you're good boys and boot-lick just a little bit I could translate the whole thing for you :-) Sounds good? ...I'm afraid it does. Please let me know about attached files. Regards, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW CONFIRMATION (forgot something) Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:56:36 +0100 (CET) I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO BE A BIT PATIENT. I'VE GOT MY UNIVERSITY EXAMS, VERY BUSY WITH MY JOB AND THE TRANSLATION WILL TAKE SOME TIME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATTER IN ADVANCE. Hi everyone! I see that my offer for Zorn's interview has enjoyed massive success. I think that attached files are not allowed in the list. Am I wrong? It would be much easier. Please note that the interview is in Spanish. If you're good boys and boot-lick just a little bit I could translate the whole thing for you :-) Sounds good? ...I'm afraid it does. Please let me know about attached files. Regards, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: Jeb Bishop Duos, ODIM, Joe Morris Date: 19 Jan 2001 10:23:34 -0400 Hey , spotted Jeb Bishop's Duos album on OKKA (I think) for 10$ used, is it worth picking up? Also there was an 'Other Dimensions in Music' Cd with a one word title. Anyone have any thoughs on this. FINALLY there was a Joe Morris Trio Album that I'd never heard of, on a label I'd never heard of (self-released I'm assuming). By any chance has anyone heard any of his older stuff? Thanks, wudz np: Jim Black : Alas No Axis. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Jeb Bishop Duos, ODIM, Joe Morris Date: 19 Jan 2001 09:52:06 -0500 on 1/19/01 9:23 AM, mwoodwor at mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca unthinkingly blurted: > Also there was an 'Other Dimensions in Music' Cd with a one > word title. NOW! http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/PARKER.disc.html#97.03.19 All of the ODIM releases are sublime. > FINALLY there was a Joe Morris > Trio Album that I'd never heard of, on a label I'd never heard of > (self-released I'm assuming). By any chance has anyone heard any of his older > stuff? All on JM's label "RITI": Joe Morris Trio: Wraparound? http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/MORRIS.disc.html#83.02.28 Joe Morris Trio: Human Rites? http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/MORRIS.disc.html#85.12.00 Joe Morris Trio: Sweatshop? http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/MORRIS.disc.html#88.09.15 Joe Morris Trio: Flip and Spike? http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/MORRIS.disc.html#92.00.00 okay, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: Re: SPANISH SCENE Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:06:44 +0000 >By the way, maybe things have changed enough since you >were in Barcelona. It's true that there's no such >avant-garde/jazz/improv scene but we still manage to >get import material anyway. last time i was there (a year ago), i was lucky enough to go to a great little club called abaixador dou, which i think was in the barrio gotic ... and i caught a great gig by derek bailey and susie ibarra there ... i can't believe that gig was a one-off, so there must be other stuff going on there ... btw, and apologies for going off-topic, but for those of you who know the 'motion' website i've been running, designing and writing for over the last few years, i have to announce that i'm leaving it. i'm leaving the company that i worked for, who effectively own the site, and will be continuing with motion. but simon hopkins and i, who started the site, have both moved on to pastures new. we will be doing another online new music venture real soon - i can assure you i'll keep you posted! it's with a heavy heart that i draw a personal line under motion, though. i'm proud of what we were able to achieve, but simon and i weren't able or allowed (for various reasons) to take it in the directions we wanted to - a situation which eventually became untenable. but i want to thank everyone who's ever visited the site, everyone who mailed me to say they enjoyed it (and they did!), and all labels/artists who sent me the best new music i've ever heard. as tom waits says on 'nighthawks at the diner', it's been a preasure and plivilege. thanks! and watch this space. i'll be un-subbing and re-subbing under a different nom-de-plume. thanks, dan. -- |||| dan hill [state51] |||| new reviews on motion |||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m. singe & dj i-sound |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Jeb Bishop Duos, ODIM, Joe Morris Date: 19 Jan 2001 11:03:04 -0500 >FINALLY there was a Joe Morris Trio Album that I'd never heard of, >on a label I'd never heard of (self-released I'm assuming). Riti was his own label. There were two trio LPs and one CD on Riti. The CD is wonderful, haven't heard the LPs. (And on a synchronicity note I'm listening to Racket Club which is a great, head-on album that reminds me of Ulmer in his more rock moments.) Lang - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:13:32 EST my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he has two questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn knowledge: 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as a trio? 2) how long have they called themselves emergency? replies offlist or on, thanks. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tim Berne Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0500 Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > I've also been on a bit of a Marty Ehrlich quest, and one of my best finds so > far has Marty playing on Braxton's 4CD "Live At Yoshi's 94." I'm a huge fan of Marty's, and would gladly recommend all of his discs, but as a short list, don't miss last year's fantastic 'Malinke's Dance' on OmniTone and 'Can You Hear a Motion?' from '94 on Enja. He's also got a fine collaborative trio with Michael Formanek and Peter Erskine on Enja, 'Relativity.' There's a duo CD on Muse with bassist Anthony Cox that's out of print but highly recommended if you stumble across it. And finally, his great trio with Mark Dresser and Andrew Cyrille, which has recorded for a fairly obscure Euro label, is available now through Downtown Music Gallery, but it's going to be issued domestically by Jazz Magnet Records in a month or two. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Rachmininoff, Piano Concerto No. 3 - third mvt, Volodos/Berlin Phil/Levine (Sony) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: is the new KF sampler available? Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:17:00 -0800 The KF advertises the following record: *** - VIBES - KNITSAMPLER: various artists This record features DJ Spooky, Graham Haynes, Sex Mob, Liminal Lounge, Zohar, Pachora, William Hooker/DJ Olive, Friends of Dean Martinez, Gary Lucas, Operazone, Rashied Ali and Louie Belogenis, John McLaughlin, Roswell Rudd, Thomas Chapin. 2000 (?) - Knitting Factory Records (USA), ??? (CD) Any idea if it is really out? Also, Q is reviewing a new Susan McKeown record (LOWLANDS on Green Linnet). There is a mention of "clarinet". Could it be Chris Speed? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Tim Berne Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:33:54 -0800 On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:16:21 -0500 Steve Smith wrote: > > I'm a huge fan of Marty's, and would gladly recommend all of his discs, but as a > short list, don't miss last year's fantastic 'Malinke's Dance' on OmniTone and > 'Can You Hear a Motion?' from '94 on Enja. He's also got a fine collaborative > trio with Michael Formanek and Peter Erskine on Enja, 'Relativity.' There's a > duo CD on Muse with bassist Anthony Cox that's out of print but highly Not to mention the gorgeous: 109 - SOJOURN: Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble Recorded at Sacred Noise Studio, in February 1999 Produced by Marty Ehrlich Marty Ehrlich: clarinet, soprano; Erik Friedlander: cello; Mark Helias: bass; Marc Ribot: guitar. 1999 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7136 (CD) Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: medeski/ribot/zorn questions Date: 19 Jan 2001 15:45:31 -0500 Hi I'll give my 0.02 here, as someone may have a more definitive answer... 1) medeski, ribot, and zorn have been playing together for ~3 years (maybe a little more) with various drummers. I recall a November 1997 show with Ben Perowsky on drums at the knit, and a March 1998 show with Sim cain on drums. I know I saw Bobby Previte listed as playing with the trio, and one other drummer whom I'm forgetting. 2) About 2 years ago, they started playing more regularly with Kenny Wollesen on drums. After the first few times, they began calling the group emergency and toured Europe with that lineup. I'm pretty sure Emergency defines the group including Wollesen - the last time they played, at Tonic about 6 months ago, Perowsky was on drums and it was not billed as Emergency. Sorry I can't give better dates - it would be nice if there was some way to search archives of concert listings for tonic, the knit, and other venues. JM NP - Arto Lindsay "Noon Chill" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > JonAbbey2@aol.com > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:14 PM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions > > > my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he has two > questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn knowledge: > > 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as a trio? > > 2) how long have they called themselves emergency? > > replies offlist or on, thanks. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: RE: medeski/ribot/zorn questions Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:50:19 -0600 If my hazy memory is correct, I think the name Emergency was first used when Zorn played at the old KF with John Patton and possibly Ribot and I don't know who was drumming, maybe Joey Baron. They appeared on one or maybe 2 of those Live at the Knitting Facotry radio programs (which I have most of on tape somewhere). I think once they were billed as "John Patton" though. I don't know who's idea the name was or if perhaps Mr. Zorn has adapted the name to any organ combo he plays in. Rob At 03:45 PM 1/19/01 -0500, Jim McLoughlin wrote: >Hi > >I'll give my 0.02 here, as someone may have a more definitive answer... > >1) medeski, ribot, and zorn have been playing together for ~3 years (maybe a >little more) with various drummers. I recall a November 1997 show with Ben >Perowsky on drums at the knit, and a March 1998 show with Sim cain on drums. >I know I saw Bobby Previte listed as playing with the trio, and one other >drummer whom I'm forgetting. > >2) About 2 years ago, they started playing more regularly with Kenny >Wollesen on drums. After the first few times, they began calling the group >emergency and toured Europe with that lineup. I'm pretty sure Emergency >defines the group including Wollesen - the last time they played, at Tonic >about 6 months ago, Perowsky was on drums and it was not billed as >Emergency. > >Sorry I can't give better dates - it would be nice if there was some way to >search archives of concert listings for tonic, the knit, and other venues. > >JM > >NP - Arto Lindsay "Noon Chill" > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of >> JonAbbey2@aol.com >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:14 PM >> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions >> >> >> my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he has two >> questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn knowledge: >> >> 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as a trio? >> >> 2) how long have they called themselves emergency? >> >> replies offlist or on, thanks. >> >> Jon >> www.erstwhilerecords.com >> >> - >> > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tim Berne Date: 19 Jan 2001 16:36:41 -0500 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > Not to mention the gorgeous: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 109 - SOJOURN: Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble Not to mention that immediately after I wrote my post and hit "send," my mail arrived and included a new duo CD by Marty and Myra Melford on the Arabesque label, 'Yet Can Spring.' It's coming to stores in February. I'm only one track in and the first word that comes to my mind is "bluesy," in a real good way. Includes originals by both plus covers of Robin Holcomb and Otis Spann. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Marty Ehrlich & Myra Melford, "Yet Can Spring," 'Yet Can Spring' (Arabesque) ...taking a break from listening to all the classical Grammy nominees for a writing assignment... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: jeb bishop duets Date: 19 Jan 2001 21:45:58 >Hey , spotted Jeb Bishop's Duos album on OKKA (I think) for 10$ used, >is >it worth picking up? Unless this is the duo CD with Joe McPhee called Brass City, which is on Okka, it is probably the 98 Duets CD on Wobbly Rail (they have somewhat similar packaging to Okka, and that disc has a lot of Okka-associated musicians: Gustaffson, Vandermark, Hamid Drake, etc.). If I were going to get something on Wobbly Rail, I would get the AALY/Vandermark discs, the John Butcher/Phil Durrant disc, the George Grawe disc ... then the solo Steve Lacy and Leo Smith discs ... then one of the other three which I haven't heard. In other words, the label (from my old hometown) has some good albums, but I would pass on this one unless you have a really high tolerance for sparse, pecking-around, feeling-each-other-out improv (a few decent tracks excepted). Maybe someone disagrees though. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica) Date: 19 Jan 2001 18:14:38 -0500 At 12:45 AM 1/18/01 EST, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > >on a related topic, I'd be curious to hear more opinions regarding Ryoji >Ikeda's Matrix. I was a huge fan of +/- when it was released, as some here >may recall, but Matrix seems to me like a pretty static installation piece >which I find a chore to actively listen to. I seem to be in the decided >minority though, which is what makes me curious. Probably no one on this list is a bigger fan of drones than I am, but I haven't 'gotten' the first disk yet either. I've listened to it on headphones, without much effect, but this is predictable given that the instructions are to form one's own intrapersonal musical experience as you move about the space in which the music is playing. I've tried that too, and got bored. The second disk is better, but nothing we haven't heard from him before, and not as ground breaking for me as the noisy disk of Time and Space. Speaking of avant-garde electronica, I see our friend Fernando Lopez has started his own distributed label, which will consist exclusively of collaborations. The first releases, on the Seattle branch, feature one with Michael Northam (an up-and-coming drone artist who's worked with ORA and John Grzinich on some beautiful releases), and one with Amy Denio (!). Future releases with the likes of John Duncan and Zbigniew Karkowski are advertised. Should be interesting. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica) Date: 19 Jan 2001 18:27:08 EST In a message dated 1/19/01 6:14:38 PM, cdeupree@erinet.com writes: << I see our friend Fernando Lopez has started his own distributed label >> Caleb, of course, means Francisco Lopez, unless he's developed a new persona in which he only does Abba tunes. OK, speaking of drones, I'm off to the Dreyblatt/Conrad/O'Rourke Monsters of Drone extravaganza at Tonic. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sergio luque Subject: bernard parmegiani recommendations? Date: 19 Jan 2001 18:02:55 -0600 howdy! i've just heard the parmegiani track (_phase/hors phase_ from _dedans dehors_) available on the ohm anthology, and i do want to hear more of him. any recommendations? thanks in advance. ____________________________________________________________________________ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.mx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica) Date: 19 Jan 2001 16:14:34 -0800 On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:14:38 -0500 "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote: > > Speaking of avant-garde electronica, I see our friend Fernando Lopez has > started his own distributed label, which will consist exclusively of > collaborations. The first releases, on the Seattle branch, feature one > with Michael Northam (an up-and-coming drone artist who's worked with ORA > and John Grzinich on some beautiful releases), and one with Amy Denio (!). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ According to Amy Denio's web site, Lopez is her lover (that's the way she put it). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors Subject: |emergency| Date: 19 Jan 2001 16:23:12 -0800 (PST) the first time I saw this group at the knit with bobby previte, the buzz was that the band was a tribute to larry young, the organ player from tony williams trio with john mclaughlin. The band was titled emergency. John medeski, at one point with mmw, had a lot of the grungy sound that young empolyed during his emergency days, imo. Originally for that first gig [was it the first?] they were billed as playing the music of larry young, that might have been a KF blunder. Are there any recordings of this group floating around? I am sure bruce has copies stockpiled at dmg. What I would give to run through his live recordings. I feel that perowsky is the most successful drummer to work with that goup. He is incredibly responsive and limber, and takes the group in different directions in the segways. I think that kenny tends to lay out a bit for my taste with a group like that. I have not seen the recent shows, that might have changed. --- "Robert A. Pleshar" wrote: > If my hazy memory is correct, I think the name Emergency was first > used > when Zorn played at the old KF with John Patton and possibly Ribot > and I > don't know who was drumming, maybe Joey Baron. They appeared on one > or > maybe 2 of those Live at the Knitting Facotry radio programs (which I > have > most of on tape somewhere). I think once they were billed as "John > Patton" > though. I don't know who's idea the name was or if perhaps Mr. Zorn > has > adapted the name to any organ combo he plays in. > > Rob > > > > At 03:45 PM 1/19/01 -0500, Jim McLoughlin wrote: > >Hi > > > >I'll give my 0.02 here, as someone may have a more definitive > answer... > > > >1) medeski, ribot, and zorn have been playing together for ~3 years > (maybe a > >little more) with various drummers. I recall a November 1997 show > with Ben > >Perowsky on drums at the knit, and a March 1998 show with Sim cain > on drums. > >I know I saw Bobby Previte listed as playing with the trio, and one > other > >drummer whom I'm forgetting. > > > >2) About 2 years ago, they started playing more regularly with Kenny > >Wollesen on drums. After the first few times, they began calling > the group > >emergency and toured Europe with that lineup. I'm pretty sure > Emergency > >defines the group including Wollesen - the last time they played, at > Tonic > >about 6 months ago, Perowsky was on drums and it was not billed as > >Emergency. > > > >Sorry I can't give better dates - it would be nice if there was some > way to > >search archives of concert listings for tonic, the knit, and other > venues. > > > >JM > > > >NP - Arto Lindsay "Noon Chill" > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >> [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > >> JonAbbey2@aol.com > >> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 3:14 PM > >> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >> Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions > >> > >> > >> my friend is reviewing this concert from the other night, and he > has two > >> questions whcih he asked me to pose here, the home of all Zorn > knowledge: > >> > >> 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as > a trio? > >> > >> 2) how long have they called themselves emergency? > >> > >> replies offlist or on, thanks. > >> > >> Jon > >> www.erstwhilerecords.com > >> > >> - > >> > > > > > >- > > > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: |emergency| Date: 19 Jan 2001 22:09:41 -0500 Hello Jason, Friday, January 19, 2001, you wrote to me: jt> Are there any recordings of this group floating around? I am sure bruce jt> has copies stockpiled at dmg. What I would give to run through his live jt> recordings. Well, you can easily find some Emergency live recordings on places like etree.org, but, according to my conversation with Bruce at their last show, guys are not going to make an official album ever because it will kill the energy of the music. jt> I feel that perowsky is the most successful drummer to work with jt> that goup. He is incredibly responsive and limber, and takes the jt> group in different directions in the segways. I think that kenny jt> tends to lay out a bit for my taste with a group like that. I have jt> not seen the recent shows, that might have changed. I actually don't like Perowsky so much, but every time I see him his playing seems better for me. But I should say that, although this summer Tonic show with him was great, the one with Kenny Wollesen at Mercury Lounge was more than much better. It was not only because of Kenny definitely, but he added a lot of stuff to the music and he also sounded like a normal member of the group rather than a supporting person. BTW, I wonder why Wollesen was not mentioned in any announce or schedule? I was really upset when people at the show were asking who is that guy every now and then. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: marty ehrlich Date: 19 Jan 2001 22:30:22 EST In a message , the amazing steve smith wrote: <> dear steve, yes indeed. also, as leader on the 'julius hemphill' ensemble on new world records' "at dr king's table" probably still available at broinc.com for 2 bucks. also, just got in the mail today a new arabesque myra/marty duo. havent yet played it... all this damn mail, ya know? LOL. i also love his playing in the braxton pno quartet on leo, which, if i may plug myself... i just reviewed with some other nifty weirdness in my 'incredible risks' column at lafolia.com.. with many errors still to be corrected. (dont kill me: i was drunk when i typed rbt wyatt instead of jack bruce you'll know where) ....love to all steve the monkey king koenig n.p.: hamud al junayd: trad yemenite songs, nimbus ni 5481 (also $2 @ broinc.com) incredible stuff, worth at least 25! :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: bernard parmegiani recommendations? Date: 20 Jan 2001 01:58:49 EST In a message dated 1/19/01 7:03:56 PM, sergio@tomate.com.mx writes: << i've just heard the parmegiani track (_phase/hors phase_ from _dedans dehors_) available on the ohm anthology, and i do want to hear more of him. any recommendations? >> most of the INA-GRM discs are currently out of print, but de natura sonorum and la creation du monde are the places to start. the double disc with dedans dehors (INA-GRM 1012-1013) is also very good. I think at least some of these are being reissued again soon. don't start with the Plate Lunch disc even if it's the only one you can find, it's far from his best work. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustavo Broggi" Subject: RE: SPANISH SCENE Date: 20 Jan 2001 08:43:38 -0300 Hi people! IMHO another important spanish musician is pianist Chano Dominguez, I´ve heard some of his cds, and finally bought "Imán", and "Hecho a mano". He is mixing jazz with flamenco with excellent results, his music includes his own compositions and folk songs such as "Gracias a la vida" (chilean composer Violeta Parra) and "Los ejes de mi carreta" (from the Argentinian composer Atahualpa Yupanqui) . Improvisation, surprise, guest musicians and very nice percussion and vocal arrangements are always present. I would recommend to take a listening to this guy Gustavo -----Mensaje original----- De: efrén del valle Para: Rudy A Carrera CC: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Fecha: Viernes 19 de Enero de 2001 10:57 Asunto: RE: SPANISH SCENE >Hi! > >Thanks for recommending musicians I didn't know of. >It's true that I forgot some of them like AGUSTÍ >FERNÁNDEZ. I'm sure that if I stopped to think I would >find good things for all of you but this probably >means that my search has to be real thorough. I don't >need to think that much when I'm referring to the >American market, for instance. > >Regards, >Efrén > >P.D: Please don't tell Mark about my opinions :-) > >_______________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Ikeda (was Avant Garde Electronica) Date: 20 Jan 2001 08:10:10 -0500 At 06:27 PM 1/19/01 EST, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > ><< I see our friend Fernando Lopez has started his own distributed label >> > >Caleb, of course, means Francisco Lopez, unless he's developed a new persona >in which he only does Abba tunes. Oops. Maybe untitled 104 is all abba samples, not metal as originally theorized... >OK, speaking of drones, I'm off to the Dreyblatt/Conrad/O'Rourke Monsters of >Drone extravaganza at Tonic. Hopefully we won't have to wait three months to read your review in the wire? -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Dreyblatt/Conrad/O'Rourke Date: 20 Jan 2001 10:03:41 -0500 Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > Hopefully we won't have to wait three months to read your review in the > wire? Well, instead of waiting for Jon to wake up, I'll begin. ;-) Dreyblatt opened (to a packed house, though with a sizeable portion of his extended family) with a sextet. I missed the intros and only recognized two of the performers: Evan Ziporyn (on some kind of microtonally tuned dulcimer) and the great Robert Black on bass. The other instruments were cello (doubling on electric guitar and homemade guitar), violin (doubling on hurdy-gurdy), electric guitar (doubling on acoustic bass) and drums. The latter was the one element I could have totally done without. Though the 1 1/2 hour set was apparently all new compositions, they appeared similiar in structure to the ones on 'Animal Magnetism' and tended to sound initally exciting, then gradually wear thin. His insistence on switching rhythmic themes every 4, 5, 6 or whatever bars made for a choppier aspect than what I hoped for and his tendency of using martial-sounding patterns for the drummer (without the grace of a Rhys Chatham) made for an unnecessarily stiff ambience. Given that, the group (with Dreyblatt sitting in on bass for the first piece) performed with great precision and seemed to really enjoy themselves. The highlight for me was on the last piece where Black (who people should hear more of on his own) began a furious arco sawing in the extreme lower register of the bass, approaching very close to and sometimes scraping the bridge, thereby creating a wonderful harmonic screech. Conrad then came on for a solo violin piece which was, imho, the high point of the evening. Heavily electronicized he, unlike Dreyblatt, got into a seriously extended drone with multiple layers of richness. Just when you thought he had wrung every possible nuance from his material, he'd find something new and give it another extremely thorough workout. Very loud, very almost "romantic" and very compelling. After about an hour, most of the first group filed back on stage as Conrad continued to play (with Dreyblatt and O'Rourke--on harmonium, without Ziporyn and the drummer). Conrad switched to some sort of homemade "guitar", strung on a 2x4 mounted on mic stands and played with a piano mallet or violin bow and metal bar for a pedal steel effect. The band, acting as tambura, supplied a background drone. Very soothing and enjoyable, and a nice, relatively gentle coming-down from the more agitated first section. O'Rourke then played a solo G3 set. Crouched toward the rear of the stage, essentially hidden from the audience by speakers and a chair, he began with a snatch of schmaltzy 50's-style chorus (for about 4 seconds), then settled into what would make up the remainder of the piece, a conglomeration of gentle bell-like tones and airy, sort of harsh breathing sounds. I don't think it worked very well, but I have to give him points both for obsessiveness (he concentrated on this limited palette for about a half-hour) and the willingness to experiment in front of a public of which, I'd guess, a certain number came to see the guy who works with Sonic Youth. There was a fourth set, but it had been about 4 hours already, so Jon and I left. Perhaps someone else here stuck it out. Brian Olewnick NP: Paul Rogers - Time of Brightness - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Dreyblatt/Conrad/O'Rourke Date: 20 Jan 2001 12:23:01 EST I don't have much to add to Brian's review, we had similar reactions to most of the evening. I enjoyed the first Dreyblatt piece a lot, but when he left the stage, I had mixed feelings about the rest of their very long set (maybe 90 minutes?). the rhythms and drummer kept brining to mind phrases like "relentlessly unfunky", and while I know that's not the point, it detracted from my enjoyment of the music. still pretty cool, though. the solo Conrad set I was a bit nervous about since I saw him do a solo set I hated a few months ago during the Angus MacLise tribute. this one did seem much better, but to be honest, I spent most of it talking to people. the end of this set, where everyone joined in, was my favorite part of the evening though, a beautiful, rich drone. Jim's set seemed designed to mesh with the rest of the evening, relentless and pretty static. parts of it were nice, but not one of my favorite performances of his. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Re: medeski/robot/zorn questions Date: 20 Jan 2001 14:17:07 -0600 (CST) > From: JonAbbey2@aol.com > Subject: medeski/ribot/zorn questions > 1) how long have medeski, ribot and zorn been playing together as a trio? they played together in october 1997 with previte in the drum chair. they played masada tunes in italy in april 1994 with billy martin on drums. these aren't trios, of course, but i thought the band always had a rotating drummer (the trio has played with previte, wollesen, cain, rochester, and martin, at least)...? > 2) how long have they called themselves emergency? the trio + wollesen was billed as emergency at willisau in august of 99, but i'm certain they called themselves by that name prior to that date (although i don't know why i'm so certain - it must have been from something i heard on this list...;). -whit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: odim Date: 21 Jan 2001 12:17:29 -0500 rick lopez called all of the other dimensions in music cds 'sublime.' i'd have to agree in only a qualified way (and a way that, i guess, doesn't do nonnewyorkers much good). yes, the discs are recommended, but such high octane music doesn't really work for me on disc. i mean, everything's better live, but groups like other dimensions need to be witnessed in person. i don't listen to the discs that often, to tell the truth. but live, ahhh... roy told me last night that during the 4-night stint at the knit old office (2/ 1-4) they will be joined by billy bang and joe mcphee, one night each. i believe it was for the sat and sun sets, but i don't remember specifics. and now that i'm mentioning bbang... i've heard some disparaging of the violinist in the past, probably because his work is somewhat inconsistent. but believe me, when he's on he's on. last night he played a masterful solo set at the brecht forum. ok, bye kg np: queen - news of the world - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: wollensen at mercury Date: 21 Jan 2001 12:44:53 -0500 Peter Gannushkin said: BTW, I wonder why Wollesen was not mentioned in any announce or schedule? I was really upset when people at the show were asking who is that guy every now and then. don't be upset, peter. great band plays at a venue that usually doesn't cater to such music, house is packed and people get turned on to new things, including one of the best drummers around. where's the problem? kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musician Date: 21 Jan 2001 12:56:41 -0500 on 1/17/01 8:57 AM, stevespangler at stevespangler@mail.otterweb.alumlink.com wrote: > I say this because it's pretty optimistic to pick Ray Charles--and I agree > with your pick in that I want to agree with it. When I go out and hear > music--live music--I don't hear throwbacks to Ray Charles; I hear Eric Clapton > pridigies. This is my interpretation of the "influence" factor. Influence can > be many things, but I tend to think in the broad scope of: "what are people > playing; where did they find that inspiration." I just think it's not > realistic to pick people like Ray Charles when I don't hear Ray Charles in Hip > Hop, new Rock, new R&B, etc. I'd like to think he's more influential, but > realistically I don't think it's so. > > Or the John Cage pick. Is he influential: yes. Is he more influential than > John Williams: probably not. I hear his music everywhere--J. Williams--and I > believe that that relates into influence. People are influenced by what they > hear, not by what we music appreciators suggest or desire. > > Maybe it depends on how you define influence. In the case of Ray Charles, he was one of the first to combine gospel and blues into a new form that eventually morphed into soul and then morphed from there into......you get the picture. So in that sense he was influential. And certainly for a while, there were a lot of singers who patterned themselves after him. Now if there are bar bands who are emulating Eric Clapton today more than Ray Charles, well, that has to do with time. I'd still say that Brother Ray has had a far bigger influence over the music than Clapton has, even if you hear more Clapton clones these days. Ditto for Cage and Williams. --Mike -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Dreyblatt/Conrad/O'Rourke Date: 21 Jan 2001 13:52:10 -0500 >Jim's set seemed designed to mesh with the rest of the evening, relentless >and pretty static. parts of it were nice, but not one of my favorite >performances of his. I saw the first two parts on Thursday the 18th. The first was the Dreyblatt set (similar to the Olewnick description) and the second part was the O'Rourke powerbook set. I left before Conrad and the whole ensemble part though. Jim played a powerbook set. He had his powerbook and a mixer. It was etherial, looping, lazy, minimalist music. I enjoyed it. I have to admit that I was zoning out (for better of for worse) sometimes. A few minutes into the piece it occurred to me that it would be neat to put a mic in the audience and incorporate those sounds into the piece. That's when I heard in the P.A. the beer bottle fall over on the floor AGAIN. And it also occurred to me that I didn't need to suggest it to Jim after the show. He had a microphone on the stage that captured the room's sound and that's what he built the whole piece on. It was a very interesting concept. For the first minute he sampled sounds then used them and manipulated them for the remainder of the piece. Very cool. I think I have heard Tortoise do something like this in a live recording I have heard of them. I spoke to him after the show and he told me all about it. He was asked by someone else if he was going to perform in NYC again soon and he said "tomorrow" but also said that he won't be performing again soon, mostly "because it's too nerve-racking." He's a very nice guy and VERY modest. He sincerely appreciated the comments and praise that people had for him at the end. Dan Hewins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: 20th Century's most important musician Date: 21 Jan 2001 19:50:42 -0000 >From: Mike Chamberlain I'd still say that Brother Ray has had a far bigger influence over the music than Clapton has, even if you hear more Clapton clones these days. What is Clapton, but a King (Freddie, B.B., Albert) Robert Johnson etc. clone??? Please, don't stop at the monkey, go straight to the organ grinder! Peace Out! N.P. Ennio Morricone 'Gli Occhi Freddi Della Paura' O.S.T.(for Zorn content!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: parmegiani Date: 21 Jan 2001 17:42:11 EST In a message dated 1/20/01 3:01:12 AM, jon abbey wrote: << most of the INA-GRM discs are currently out of print, but de natura sonorum and la creation du monde are the places to start. the double disc with dedans dehors (INA-GRM 1012-1013) is also very good. I think at least some of these are being reissued again soon. >> i agree with jon; my favorite still being my first: "la creation du monde" which despite being programmatic is still very strong. steve koenig n.p gerry hemingway 'jonnys corner song' (auricle records) now avoiding: marking my students' exams. do not tell. hush now. dont explain . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: an abbreviated listing Date: 21 Jan 2001 17:59:29 -0500 Not the first time you've seen this, but here goes again. Money folks: I'm needing it, and you have it. Some of these are in some sort of special promotional packaging, and they're marked with a *. All of these are cds and are $9ppd. Buy 3, take a dollar off. Buy 5 or more, take $2 off. I can give tracklistings, info even reiews occasionally. Those marked with a "+" you'll get free with an order of 4 or more. Trades are great. I'm especially looking for things on Trent Oiseaux, empreintes DIGITALes, INA-GRM, Ambush/Praxis; Andrew Chalk, Monos, Ora, Jonathon Coleclough, electro-acoustic/improv, IDM, minimal, maximal, dubby, post-rockin' non-stoppin, jazzy, headcleaing noise, power electronics, sound collage, hip-hop but I'm really openminded. I've got a wantlist, and if you trade anything on it to me, you'll have a friend for life. For things I really want, I'll trade 2 of many things on the list. I'm also looking for books and movies (DVDs or VHS), in fact, I'd prefer them. A few things: the Site of Sound book, Maurice Blanchot's _The Instant of My Death_, Exact Change Press, critical theory, Henri Michaux, Robert Walser for books, movies: anything Cassavetes directed, Charles Burnett's Killer of Sheep, Jim Jarmusch's "Stranger Than Paradise", Satyajit Ray, Robert Bresson, Fassbinder, Alain Resnais, Mark Rappaport, Godard, Truffant, Ozu. Movies will take three of anything on the list. Oh yeah, I'll trade pretty much the entire list for the Merzbox :) Metal Cream Abdul Babar- Buried in Broken Glass Death- Human (Japanese import w/exclusive track) * In Flames- Colony * In Flames- Clayman + In Aeturnum- The Pestilential Plague Jazz/improv Kwartet Warszawska Jesionka- ? Yuri Lemeshev/Brad Shepik/Tony Scher- Tridruga Tronzo/Granelli/Epstein- Crunch Vandermark/Drake/McBride- Spaceways Incorporated Composition: Gal- Bestimmung New York (on Durian) John Hudak- Don't Worry About Anything, I'll Talk to You Tomorrow FRANCISCO LÓPEZ "Untitled #91" Mahler- Symphony #1/Der Titan Panaiotis- The Ballad of Frankie Silver Sonic Youth- Goodbye 10th Century (2cd) $15 John Wall- Fear of Gravity Nirav AIM: Icefactory37 -- OnNow- Greg Kelley- Trumpet "You can't even stop to pay attention to that kind of thing because it just leads to something grander and more disappointing. You just lose any kind of faith you once had. You don't want to give up all together. I mean, I almost have, but you have to think there are some kind of gems."- Harmony Korine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 21 Jan 2001 22:39:23 -0500 Hey, I just picked up the Art Ensemble album "with Fontella Bass" which is full of the Onoriffic vocalizations that I love. I'm definitely playing it on the radio show tomorry. I'm thinking of ordering the fabled "Nessa" box from Chuck Nessa. Does anyone on the list have it and care to give an appraisal. Pardon if we already discussed this, but I like to see a review from someone I trust: i.e. the people here... matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sen@chello.be" Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 22 Jan 2001 08:39:05 +0100 on 22/01/01 4:39, Matt Laferty at bg60009@binghamton.edu wrote: > Hey, > > I just picked up the Art Ensemble album "with Fontella Bass" which is > full of the Onoriffic vocalizations that I love. I'm definitely playing > it on the radio show tomorry. > Tomorry is another dy :) Are you talking about the 5 CD box titled "Art Ensemble 1976-1969" or something? It's definitely worth getting. I don't have it but it's a compilation of early pre- AECO albums, which I do have/ have listened to. My fave is Lester Bowie's "Number 1 and 2" (not sure about the titles here...) Best, Sen. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Rituals Auction Date: 22 Jan 2001 03:17:01 -0800 (PST) Anybody know what that Rituals CD on ebay ended up going for? I'm just curious. The last I checked, about 8 hours left i think, it was up to $61! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: Feldman concert postponed Date: 22 Jan 2001 08:46:45 -0500 Tonight's program (Jan. 22) of music by Morton Feldman and Lee Hyla has been postponed until Monday, Feb. 12, due to illness . If you're around Boston in the next few weeks, please avail yourself of some or all of the following free events at New England Conservatory: Thursday, February 1, 2001 at 4:00pm - Williams Hall John Latartara and Barbara Lieurance discuss and play Feldman's Palais de Mari Monday, February 5, 2001 at 8pm - Jordan Hall guest artist Louis Goldstein performs Morton Feldman's Triadic Memories Monday, April 9, 2001 at 8pm - Brown Hall Stephen Drury and the Callithumpian Consort perform Morton Feldman's Piano and String Quartet --steve newly remodeled! - http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Cook" Subject: killer joey Date: 22 Jan 2001 11:11:59 -0600 Has anybody heard Joey Baron's "Killer Joey" cd? Mark - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Lift and Poise Date: 22 Jan 2001 16:02:49 EST Kayagoris/Manari (Mat) with Joe Manari & John Lockwood (Leo). Anybody got a take on this? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 22 Jan 2001 17:17:00 -0500 Matt Laferty wrote: > I'm thinking of ordering the fabled "Nessa" box from Chuck Nessa. Does > anyone on the list have it and care to give an appraisal. First of all, Matt, you might want to pick up 'Phase One' the "companion" LP to the "with Fontella Bass" release. Side One, "Ohnedaruth" comes about as close to epitomizing the AACM avant-garde as anything I've heard. Absolutely spectacular! The Nessa set is a must-have for the true AEC fan. Lots of great stuff therein and even the so-so pieces are fascinating in a historical sense. But be forewarned--three LP's previously issued on Nessa are included. They're all tremendous records (Roscoe's 'Congliptious' and 'Old/Quartet' and Bowie's 'No.s 1&2') but if you have 'em on vinyl...If, on the other hand, you haven't heard these, by all means spring for the set. 'Congliptious' by itself is worth the price of the box, imho. Brian Olewnick NP: Julius Hemphill - Fat Man and the Hard Blues - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 22 Jan 2001 18:44:34 EST Could someone tell me what the story is with the Nessa label? Is it a limited edition catalog? ...the more usual questions: Do they have a website? (i know there a list of their albums here: http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera/labels/nessa.htm). What is the best source for buying Nessa releases? Thanks in advance for any help. jeff caltabiano n.p. michael formanek/tim berne/jeff hirshfield: loose cannon (1993, soul note) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: art ensemble box Date: 22 Jan 2001 19:37:20 EST In a message dated 1/22/01 3:42:43 AM, you wrote: <> ok, its a relative thing. i had to have it. BUT. im a vinyl freak and crunches notwitstanding, the nessa Lps sounds at least as good as the CDs. if you dont have em, however. get the box. the real reason for the box is the two discs of unreleased stuff... which... i confess... i like much... but dont remember... i have so much stufffffff heeelllpp im drowning.... while reading the new mosaic catalog and drooling and feeling broke... steve koenig n.p.: stan kenton 'retrospective' 4cd (capitol) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Re: art ensemble box Date: 22 Jan 2001 20:44:54 EST --part1_8c.1650aa5.279e3c16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/22/2001 4:38:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, Acousticlv@aol.com writes: > Are you talking about the 5 CD box titled "Art Ensemble 1976-1969" or > Where can I aquire this? Sounds interesting! M. --part1_8c.1650aa5.279e3c16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/22/2001 4:38:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Acousticlv@aol.com writes:


Are you talking about the 5 CD box titled "Art Ensemble 1976-1969" or
something? It's definitely worth getting


Where can I aquire this?  Sounds interesting!

M. --part1_8c.1650aa5.279e3c16_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Lift and Poise Date: 22 Jan 2001 20:47:06 -0500 on 1/22/01 4:02 PM, DvdBelkin@aol.com at DvdBelkin@aol.com unthinkingly blurted: > Kayagoris/Manari (Mat) with Joe Manari & John Lockwood (Leo). Anybody got a > take on this? Well, i may not be the one to aks, but i likes it much. but then i am snowed, overwhelmed, and amazed at whatever the hell maneri is doing, (what *is* he doing???) so i tend to love all his recordings. i mean i'd rather listen to all the morris-maneri quartet discs, but THOSE are another story. Lift and Poise -- it's sparse, fragmented, searching, controlled, and i've only gone there 1 and a half times so far. David. rrrrrrrr ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 22 Jan 2001 23:00:09 -0800 (PST) --- Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote: > Could someone tell me what the story is with the > Nessa label? Is it a > limited edition catalog? ...the more usual > questions: Do they have a > website? You could almost certainly get one at Chicago's biggest jazz/blues/roots store (?), Jazz Record Mart (JRM) who seemt o keep insome kind of touch with Mr. Nessa: http://www.jazzmart.com They also have a double-batch of $7 HatArts (getting rare). ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Billy Bang Date: 23 Jan 2001 09:12:24 +0100 >From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com > >roy told me last night that during the 4-night stint at the knit old office >(2/ >1-4) they will be joined by billy bang and joe mcphee, one night each. i >believe >it was for the sat and sun sets, but i don't remember specifics. > >and now that i'm mentioning bbang... i've heard some disparaging of the >violinist in the past, probably because his work is somewhat inconsistent. >but >believe me, when he's on he's on. last night he played a masterful solo set >at >the brecht forum. Billy Bang was concealed in Berlin playing small venues with second class sidemen for some years on traces of Sirone and this city might not be healthful for black american musicians. He seems to be back in NYC and we hear more concerts and records recently. Welcome back on board Mr. Bang! Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: AMM US tour-April Date: 23 Jan 2001 03:41:05 EST well, I don't think all of these dates are 100 percent definite yet, but since the KF has posted the NYC ones on their site, I thought I'd send this out. no more info on the Chicago shows yet, sorry. 5th April - Colorado College, Colorado Springs. 8th April - Mills College, Oakland, CA 9th April - Great American Music Hall, San Francisco 10th April - Knitting Factory, LA 13th April - Chicago 14th April - Chicago 15th April - Chicago 17th April - Mattress Factory, Pittsburgh 26th April - Bard College, Annandale, NY 27th April - Bard College, Annandale, NY 28th April - Knitting Factory, NY 29th April - Knitting Factory, NY Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: poire_z North American tour-May Date: 23 Jan 2001 03:49:53 EST for those who don't know, poire_z is the quartet of G=FCnter M=FCller, Voice= =20 Crack and Erik M. the NYC dates may be part of a larger festival over those=20 two nights which I'm currently in the midst of arranging; details to follow.= =20 not sure where the Boston show is, sorry. 5/13 Boston 5/14-15 Tonic, NYC 5/16 Empty Bottle, Chicago 5/17 Music Gallery, Toronto 5/19 Festival Musique Actuelle, Victoriaville Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 12:28:35 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! Several months ago I purchased Susie Ibarra's "Radiation" via import with very good results. Can anyone recommend further releases from her label Hopscotch? Thanks in advance. Greetings, Efrén P.D: Beginning Zorn interview translation on Friday. Looking forward to Eskelin/Parker/Black & Marc Ribot concerts this week in Barcelona. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 06:34:22 -0500 on 1/23/01 6:28 AM, efr=E9n del valle at efrendv@yahoo.es unthinkingly blurted: > Hi everyone! >=20 > Several months ago I purchased Susie Ibarra's > "Radiation" via import with very good results. >=20 > Can anyone recommend further releases from her label > Hopscotch? This is beautiful: Assif Tsahar & the Brass Reeds Ensemble: Hollow World Hopscotch HOP 3 http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/IBARRA.disc.html# 99.03.30 Anyone familiar with this? ALI/KOWALD/TSAHAR: Deals, Ideals & Ideals CD (HOP 6) I should maybe get this one? okay, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Online jazz Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:30:38 -0500 Greetings, I'm trying to compile a list of good online jazz radio programs or stations. Specifically, I'd like to find non-mainstream stations (i.e. WBGO in Newark, which I do like nevertheless). Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: mr. burns Date: 23 Jan 2001 15:34:46 +0000 sorry if this has already been posted, and also sorry to bring up the whole ken burns thing (particularly as an "un-american" who is blissfully unaware of the reality of the series), but this apparently appeared in the letter section of the new york times yesterday. of course, as anyone who's read his sleeve notes will testify, it's a bit rich for jarrett to accuse anyone of heavy-handed narration, but fair play to him here, i reckon. To the Editor: Regarding Ken Burns's (or is it Wynton Marsalis's?) "Jazz": Now that we've been put through the socioeconomic racial forensics of a jazz-illiterate historian and a self- imposed jazz expert prone to sophomoric generalizations and ultraconservative politically correct (for now) utterances, not to mention a terribly heavy-handed narration (where every detail takes on the importance of major revelation) and weepy-eyed nostalgic reveries, can we have some films about jazz by people who actually know and understand the music itself and are willing to deal comprehensively with the last 40 years of this richest of American treasures? KEITH JARRETT New York also, as someone pointed out on the JAZZ-L, how did he write such a long sentence if he has chronic fatigue syndrome? wonder what kind of film jarrett would make? .... answers on a postcard please. -- |||| dan hill - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkAxisPI@aol.com Subject: Re: Mr. Burns (NZC) Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:55:24 EST I would like to thank Dan for posting Keith Jarrett's letter to the editor of the NYT. This comes as no surprise to me, since Mr. Jarrett (whose music I love) and Mr. Marsalis (some of whose music I love) have apparently had a long-standing feud which is probably the musical equivalent of Robert Kennedy-Lyndon Johnson's political one: The two just don't seem to like each other...plain and simple. Best, Mark - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 07:57:53 -0800 (PST) --- Rick Lopez wrote: > Anyone familiar with this? > ALI/KOWALD/TSAHAR: Deals, Ideals & Ideals CD (HOP > 6) I've been somewhat on the out-and-out with free jazz lately, but one of my favorites from last year was DEALS, IDEALS, AND IDEAS (I might have that title a bit wrong), which is a wonderful title: is that not what group improvisations, especially first meetings, are all about, negotiation? The recording sounds very close and warm, and Kowald's bass has this wonderful trebley 'plunk', sounds like fat drops of oil; a very round sound, I very much remember him sounding that way live, albeit with the annoyingly middy tint of a so-so amp. Tsahar's playing is ridiculous. Highly recommended, high-temperature stuff. -----s NP: David Shea, MORT AUX VACHES __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Mr. Burns (NZC) Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:00:33 -0600 On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:55:24AM -0500, MarkAxisPI@aol.com wrote: > I would like to thank Dan for posting Keith Jarrett's letter to the editor of > the NYT. This comes as no surprise to me, since Mr. Jarrett (whose music I > love) and Mr. Marsalis (some of whose music I love) have apparently had a > long-standing feud which is probably the musical equivalent of Robert > Kennedy-Lyndon Johnson's political one: The two just don't seem to like each > other...plain and simple. BTW, the coffee-table book that accompanies the series has several pages on Jarrett. Pretty good, from a quick skimming. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben Axelrad" Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:02:34 -0600 The JRM puts out a free monthly? magazine dealing with Delmark releases. Last month's issue had a long cover story on Chuck Nessa detailing his role in recording the AEC. The same issue might also have the original liner notes to Braxton's "For Alto." Ben >From: Scott Handley >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:00:09 -0800 (PST) > > >--- Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote: > > Could someone tell me what the story is with the > > Nessa label? Is it a > > limited edition catalog? ...the more usual > > questions: Do they have a > > website? > >You could almost certainly get one at Chicago's >biggest jazz/blues/roots store (?), Jazz Record Mart >(JRM) who seemt o keep insome kind of touch with Mr. >Nessa: http://www.jazzmart.com > >They also have a double-batch of $7 HatArts (getting >rare). > >----s > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: New music with and from speech in RealAudio on this week's Date: 23 Jan 2001 04:00:00 -0800 Hi y'all, This week you'll hear works with the sounds of reminiscing, rioting, writing and more by Christopher DeLaurenti, Jim Fox, Brenda Hutchinson, Annea Lockwood, David Mahler, and Dan Senn on Mappings. The show went online approximately 10 pm PST (GMT -0700) on Monday January 22, 2001 and will be available for about a week at . Hope to see you there. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: john duncan (recs ?) Date: 23 Jan 2001 08:34:47 -0800 (PST) Could anyone recommend a couple good points-of-entry to the (sound) work of John Duncan? Could you briefly describe what you think of the works? Thanks, ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Killer Joey Date: 23 Jan 2001 08:48:09 -0800 (PST) You can sometimes find a few Killer Joey songs from Napster... Does anyone know the other members of this band? ===== -That which is Theo"My philosophy, in essense, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." --Ayn Rand __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: FS: Praxis, X-X Section, Spleen ... Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:48:10 -0500 I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $20 -- Praxis - "Sacrifist" US CD (Subharmonic) 1995 [Best Praxis record ... feat. Laswell, Zorn, Eye, Buckethead, Mick Harris, Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell & Blind Idiot God. First, legitimate Subharmonic pressing.] $20 -- Raksha Mancham - "Phyidar" ITA CD (MMM: eee013) 1992 [Debut CD by Belgian group led by Dta-Wa-E. A compilation of their first 3 out of print LPs from 1987-89 plus new tracks.] $10 -- Spleen - "Soundtrack To Spleen" UK CD (Swarf Finger) 1996 [First Spleen outing feat. Rob Ellis, P.J. Harvey, Tim Farthing, Terry Edwards, John Parish and many more.] $25 -- V/A - "X-X Section" AUS CD (Extreme: xcd010) 1991 [Excellent comp. feat. exclusive material from Muslimgauze, Andrew Chalk, Christoph Heemann, Jim O'Rourke, C-Schulz, Paul Schutze, Merzbow, Shinjuku Thief and more.] $25 -- Vidna Obmana - "Revealed By Composed Nature" ITA CD (Hic Sunt Leones: hsl005) 1993 [Early work by this Belgian ambient artist. Guest appearance by PBK.] Thanks for looking. -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:59:11 -0500 (EST) Efrén: An absolute "must buy" is Cooper-Moore's Deep in the Neighberhood of History and Influence. Recorded live at the Guelph (Ontario, Canada) Jazz Festival in 1999, it's an absolutely mesmerizing performance by CM. He plays piano in a varietry of moods and styles, talks about Cecil Taylor, Jaki Byard, his background and influences and is even part of a dispute with the venue owner about how to treat the piano keys amd strings. (I know, I was there) As a matter of further interest Hopscotch is actually the label of Assif Tshar --- efrén del valle wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Several months ago I purchased Susie Ibarra's > "Radiation" via import with very good results. > > Can anyone recommend further releases from her label > Hopscotch? > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 12:01:12 -0500 (EST) Yep you should Ken Waxman --- Rick Lopez wrote: > Anyone familiar with this? > ALI/KOWALD/TSAHAR: Deals, Ideals & Ideals CD (HOP > 6) > > I should maybe get this one? _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: Killer Joey Date: 23 Jan 2001 12:13:41 -0500 Hi > You can sometimes find a few Killer Joey songs > from Napster... Does anyone know the other members of > this band? It changes. The CD has the original (I think) lineup of Steve Cardenas guitar, Adam Levy guitar, Tony Scherer bass. Adam Levy has been replaced by Brad Shepik on recent gigs - he is originally from the Bay Area, so maybe he returned after some time in NYC. Also, a young bassist from the Manhattan School of Music named Thomas Morgan has been playing instead of Tony Scherer recently. ciao Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 09:30:29 -0800 Hello Rick (and everyone), Since Susie Ibarra was brought up, this might be of interest: there's a seven (!) - page interview with her in the Fall/Winter 2000 issue of Dialogue (published by the Asian American Arts Alliance). It just showed up in my mailbox one day, so I don't know how easy it is to get the magazine, but they have a website: http://www.AAartsAlliance.org. Stuff on kulintang, writing an opera on Thailand, Philippine culture, "Flower after Flower," an installation in D.C., electronic music, Milford Graves, etc. (Rick, if you can't find a copy, I can photocopy you the article for your webpage.) Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: David Mahler on Tzadik in RealAudio Date: 23 Jan 2001 09:37:54 -0800 Hi folks, Uri Caine has yet to re-arrange any of David Mahler's music but it's still relelvant here, because of David's new Tzadik disc, Hearing Voices. The Mappings message that went out earlier was pretty generic, but any of you who are interested in knowing more about this disc, which has only received general descriptions as being kind of weird as far as I've seen, can hear two of the four pieces on Mappings this week: David's an old friend in Seattle who was at Cal Arts in the early days with Peter Garland, Willie Winant, James Tenney, Ingram Marshall, Michael Byron, Morton Subotnick, Carl Stone, etc (to mix faculty & students indiscriminantly). He creates a lot of different kinds of music, though only some of his electronic music is readily available at this point (there's a CD of earlier works on the Artifact label , the American one, not the Canadian one). The Tzadik disc, Hearing Voices, out last week, includes four pieces in which Mahler cuts up recorded speech by four artist-friends to create portraits based on the rhythms, sounds, and meanings of their spoken words. These are his first digitally-realized pieces in this vein, but some of his earlier works were quite similar though created with tape & razor blades. If you have an interest in electro-acoustic music, you might should check it out - there's few other folks I know of working in this style with such subtlety and care. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Killer Joey Date: 23 Jan 2001 18:38:31 +0100 > > You can sometimes find a few Killer Joey songs > > from Napster... Does anyone know the other members of > > this band? > > It changes. The CD has the original (I think) lineup of Steve Cardenas > guitar, Adam Levy guitar, Tony Scherer bass. So they do have an official CD? Sorry if that's already been asked &discussed... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 23 Jan 2001 12:53:34 -0500 Brian Olewnick wrote: > First of all, Matt, you might want to pick up 'Phase One' the > "companion" LP to the "with Fontella Bass" release. Side One, > "Ohnedaruth" comes about as close to epitomizing the AACM avant-garde as > anything I've heard. Absolutely spectacular! Agreed. But this also points out how fallible some record guides can be. Nowadays there's no way I'd turn to the Rolling Stone Record Guide for making my selections, but back when I was first getting into the music, it was pretty much my Bible. And they trashed this record thoroughly. But I found it in a 49 cent remainder bin and picked it up on a whim. Scorching! The "Ohnedaruth" is the best, perhaps, of all available versions, and the flip side, "Lebert Aaly," was equally enchanting - a free-improv tribute to Ayler. Go figure. > The Nessa set is a must-have for the true AEC fan. Lots of great stuff > therein and even the so-so pieces are fascinating in a historical sense. Enthusiastically seconded. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ferruccio Busoni, Piano Concerto in C - second mvt., Hamelin, CBSO/Elder (Hyperion) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: (PROMO) If there's anybody from, Warsaw, Poland on this list (which i doubt...) Date: 23 Jan 2001 18:53:48 +0100 Hi, I'd like to inform those whom it may concern about a live performace which will take place on Saturday, Jan 27 2001. The Gllimung project (which consist of Jurek Labuda on rhythm machines & mix and myself on electronics and vocals will perform at Cafe Nowa at 11 PM). Entrence free, AFAIK. You can contact me by mail or phone +48 503 563 591. apologies for all those whom it does not concern, Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:04:25 -0800 On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:30:29 -0800 "Benito Vergara" wrote: > > Hello Rick (and everyone), > > Since Susie Ibarra was brought up, this might be of interest: there's a > seven (!) - page interview with her in the Fall/Winter 2000 issue of Wow! What is Steven Joerg gonna do this time? Patrice :-). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Fennell Subject: CD Cataloging Software Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:18:41 -0800 Hello Zornlisters- After lurking for more years than I care to admit, here's my first submittal. (After pulling my hair out trying to find two King Crimson collectors clubs CDs.) What software do you use to index and catalog your software? I've got a collection that is larger than I'd care to admit. It has gotten to the point that I can no longer keep track of what is at the office, what is in the home office, what is in the closet, what is in the living room, and what is being borrowed by friends. I'm looking for a system to enter in my CDs and create a database and tracking program (ie. so I can enter that it's at the office). If I recall, there are some systems that let you put your CDs into your computer and then create an entry after referring to an internet database. That would certainly save on lots of typing. What do you guys use? I remember a discussion of the subject about 6 months ago. -Mike Fennell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: john duncan (recs ?) Date: 23 Jan 2001 13:25:31 EST In a message dated 1/23/01 11:35:43 AM, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << Could anyone recommend a couple good points-of-entry to the (sound) work of John Duncan? Could you briefly describe what you think of the works? >> Incoming (Streamline) is easily the best disc I've heard from Duncan, probably due to the input of Christoph Heemann. it's out of print, but maybe you'll be able to hunt one down. most of the others I've heard weren't especially memorable. hope that helps a little... Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 13:12:14 -0500 Rick Lopez wrote: > on 1/23/01 6:28 AM, efr=E9n del valle at efrendv@yahoo.es unthinkingly > blurted: > > > > > Can anyone recommend further releases from her label > > Hopscotch? This is picking nits, but the label is now effectively not Susie's, but A= ssif Tsahar's. > This is beautiful: > > Assif Tsahar & the Brass Reeds Ensemble: Hollow World > Hopscotch HOP 3 > http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/IBARRA.disc.html# 99.03.30 It sure is. > Anyone familiar with this? > ALI/KOWALD/TSAHAR: Deals, Ideals & Ideals CD (HOP 6) It's exactly what you'd expect that lineup to produce. Not a glib answer= - more like an affirmation that it's as good as you'd expect. Given that y= ou're a fan, Rick, I'd say it's a safe bet. And the Tsahar/Ibarra duo CD 'Home Cookin'' is a worthwhile listen, too. = But you knew that. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Busoni, Piano Concerto in C - fifth mvt, Hamelin, CBSO/Elder (Hyperi= on) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: CD Cataloging Software Date: 23 Jan 2001 13:35:28 -0500 Michael Fennell wrote: > What software do you use to index and catalog your software? I was using a version of the basic music collection database template included with FileMaker Pro, which I'd customized to give me more fields of entry (for more tracks, personnel, recording and release dates, purchase date, genre classifications they hadn't thought of, etc.) I'd gotten about 1700 discs entered, including timings and track listings for all - about 2/3 of the collection. It was very handy and searchable in all fields. I did all the data entry manually, rather than futzing about with CDDB or other online sources, most of which don't include the music I collect anyway. Then my PC died last June and I lost it all. I wanted to scream, but then I consoled myself that the discs themselves were still on the shelves. The same could not be said of the concert ledger which had a list of every single concert I've ever attended, which may be gone for good unless I get rich enough to try to have the data extracted from the poor old machine. Back it up, y'all. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Busoni, Piano Concerto in C - seventh mvt, Hamelin, CBSO/Elder (Hyperion) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim McLoughlin" Subject: RE: Killer Joey Date: 23 Jan 2001 13:43:29 -0500 > > It changes. The CD has the original (I think) lineup of Steve Cardenas > > guitar, Adam Levy guitar, Tony Scherer bass. > > So they do have an official CD? Sorry if that's already been asked > &discussed... It think it's self produced, and Joey sells it himself at shows/clinics. Not sure if it's distrivuted, but Bruce at DMG may have copies. JJJJJ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: CD Cataloging Software Date: 23 Jan 2001 13:16:36 -0600 On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 01:35:28PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > I was using a version of the basic music collection database template included > with FileMaker Pro, which I'd customized to give me more fields of entry (for > more tracks, personnel, recording and release dates, purchase date, genre > classifications they hadn't thought of, etc.) I'd gotten about 1700 discs > entered, including timings and track listings for all - about 2/3 of the > collection. It was very handy and searchable in all fields. I did all the > data entry manually, rather than futzing about with CDDB or other online > sources, most of which don't include the music I collect anyway. I hope that those who go to the trouble of entering the data on their own take a moment and update CDDB with it. If we each do a few of them as we run across them, it'll save a lot of time and energy for each other. And I hope that label owners do this as a matter of course for their own new (and back) releases, to ensure that the information distributed this way is correct. Although there are hassles and issues re who "owns" the information in the databases, each of us benefits when one of us updates the info. (Not to mention that in case of computer disaster, you'd effectively saved your data offsite, to be easily retrievable when you scan the CD again.) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: NYCGIG411 Date: 23 Jan 2001 14:50:14 -0500 since i started talking on the odim w/joe mcp and billy b, lemme finish by giving the proper info, along with all the other good words contained herein: >>>CIC Bros. present CIRCUS!CIRCUS!CIRCUS! 2 Evenings of Creative Music Friday, 1/26 and Saturday 1/27 8pm @Collective Unconscious 145 Ludlow St. btwn Stanton and Rivington $8 featuring: Pete Cafarella James Fei Brian Glick Seth Misterka Jackson Moore Chris Jonas http://www.newsonic.com/cic >>> THIS SATURDAY JANUARY 27th >>> MAT MANERI QUARTET @ AUM Hi-Q 8pm $5 409 9th Street (btwn 6 + 7 ave's) in Park Slope; easy 1/2 block from 7th Avenue 'F' stop. Mat Maneri - violin Craig Taborn - hammond B3 Chris Lightcap - bass Gerald Cleaver - drums "Another communion at the HQ in Brooklyn; this will be the debut of the kitchen concerts, as that is where the B3 is at." >>> FEBRUARY 1, 2, 3, 4 THURSDAY - SUNDAY SETS: 8:00 + 9:30 >>> OTHER DIMENSIONS IN MUSIC @ OLD OFFICE / knitting factory 74 Leonard Street (212) 219 3006 William Parker Roy Campbell Daniel Carter Rashid Bakr w/ special guests Joe McPhee (Sat.3rd) & Billy Bang (Sun.4th) "The masters at work; 4 nights straight and 2 sets a night: leave no tendril of beauty unfolded. Plan on attending more than 1..." >>> FEBRUARY 8th THURSDAY >>> MERCURIAL VISIONS II @ MERCURY LOUNGE 8pm > ? Houston St at Avenue A 212 260 4700 Matthew Shipp Rob Brown Roy Campbell Daniel Carter Leroy Jenkins Karen Borca Peter Kowald William Parker Whit Dickey Gerald Cleaver Patricia Nicholson Treva Offutt Jo Wood Brown Yuko Otomo Jeff Schlanger Marilyn Sontag Music - dance - visual arts performing in all-new configurations decided that evening. Last year's Mercurial Visions event was voted one of the Best NYC Live Shows of 2000 by TimeOut New York. And it was... >>> APRIL 19 , 20, 21, 22 THURSDAY - SUNDAY >>> JOE MORRIS TRIO @ OLD OFFICE / knitting factory 74 Leonard Street (212) 219 3006 Joe Morris - guitar Timo Shanko - chrome bass Jerome Deupree - drums - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Art Ensemble NZC Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:53:25 -0800 (PST) I think Ben mentioned the Jazz Record Mart RHYTHM AND NEWS newsletter; here are links to the electronic version of the Chuck Nessa feature and the original Anthony Braxton FOR ALTO liner notes: http://www.delmark.com/rhythm.nessa.htm http://www.delmark.com/rhythm.braxton.htm Cheers, all, ----s NP: Loren Mazzacane Connors, IN TWILIGHT (Alien8) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Laferty Subject: Fwd: Nessa Date: 23 Jan 2001 17:03:52 -0500 Hi, Here is the info on the Nessa box set. Matt Chuck Nessa wrote: > The set is available for $75 plus $4 shipping & handling. We accept > checks, money orders, Mastercard and Visa payable to Nessa Records, P.O. > Box 394, Whitehall, MI 49461 - phone orders @ (231) 894-4088. > > Thanks for your interest. > Chuck Nessa - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 17:15:35 -0500 on 1/23/01 10:57 AM, Scott Handley at thesubtlebody@yahoo.com unthinkingly blurted: > --- Rick Lopez wrote: >> Anyone familiar with this? >> ALI/KOWALD/TSAHAR: Deals, Ideals & Ideals CD (HOP >> 6) > > Tsahar's playing is ridiculous. That's enough for me. Guess I'll order it pronto! Thanks, RL ;-) ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: HOPSCOTCH RECOMMENDATIONS Date: 23 Jan 2001 17:56:13 -0500 Benito Vergara wrote: > Since Susie Ibarra was brought up, this might be of interest: there's a > seven (!) - page interview with her in the Fall/Winter 2000 issue of > Dialogue (published by the Asian American Arts Alliance). It just showed up > in my mailbox one day, so I don't know how easy it is to get the magazine, > but they have a website: http://www.AAartsAlliance.org. Stuff on kulintang, > writing an opera on Thailand, Philippine culture, "Flower after Flower," an > installation in D.C., electronic music, Milford Graves, etc. For anyone hoping to read the article on the website, don't bother trying. There's only a short excerpt on the site. They're trying to sell magazines, naturally! But if you can't find the magazine nearby, you can order it online. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Benjamin Britten, Billy Budd-Act One, LSO/Hickox (Chandos) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:51:21 +1100 > some software will allow you to index a big file instead of cutting it in > order to achieve continuous playing while leaving you free to access any > tune Any ideas on which software? I have just recorded one long piece, and would like it to remain as one long piece but with track marks. Would it work simply to cut it up into its various tracks (with Cool Edit or Sound Forge) then put these tracks on a cd, or would it create a gap/click between the tracks? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Killer Joey Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:54:49 +1100 > It changes. The CD has the original (I think) lineup of Steve Cardenas > guitar, Adam Levy guitar, Tony Scherer bass. > > Adam Levy has been replaced by Brad Shepik on recent gigs - he is originally > from the Bay Area, so maybe he returned after some time in NYC. So, what does the band sound like? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: jarrett Date: 24 Jan 2001 00:32:00 -0000 dan hill mentioned: > > KEITH JARRETT > New York Funny you should mention him Just come back from the BBC Radio 3 "Mixing It" live gig, where Billy Jenkins asked the audience to be quiet, as Keith Jarrett was doing a gig in New York. This probably only works if you're conversant with Billy... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Diamanda Galas, Adelaide 23 Jan 2001 Date: 24 Jan 2001 11:55:19 +1030 Hi all, Last night I attended "La Serpenta Canta" by Diamanda Galas. I had only heard a few of Dimanda's collaborations with Zorn etc etc, and attended with little or no pre-conceptions. Diamanda played an approximately 65 minute set followed by 3 encores, something that I suspect is a routine for this lady, as it was advertise that she did this in earlier Australian concerts. The show was Dark. the stage was black with a black piano and one upright microphone, nothing else. most of the show used very little light, so with her long black hair and figure hugging long black dress, the sounds came apparently from "Darkness". Galas' voice is I feel, reminiscent of Maryanne Faithful in her lower guttural register, ranging to high screeching sounds, through her impressive range. She made many vocalization noises, which were reminiscent of our friend Mike Patton, and I suspect that Patton may have taken some of note of this lady in her work. Galas could very nicely perform a Fantomas set! On a Side note I saw a MASADA t-shirt and a few Fantomas t-shirts there. I cant really comment on the songs played as I didn't recognise any of them, except for one Supremes cover. It was apparent that many song were either gibberish/noise or maybe were in Yiddish/Greek or Italian. The overall feel of the show was one of disenchantment and of gothic eeriyeness, which was pushed further by the serpentine way Galas' slid from the stage between the aforementioned accolades and encores. Her piano sound was pertinently sharp and dry with some rather nice discordance through most of the songs, kind of reminiscent of a harpsichord. I felt the use of a backing tape for one track was questionable, as it sounded quite crappy. SO the Serpantess sings, she sings like no other, and she sings with the irk of horror I have never heard before. This is one sexy gothic inspired madam, who deserves to be heard by all. Amusing was the fact so many people left after her first beltings of screeching and growling. Case I recorded the show if anyone is interested. -- "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Dalton" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:47:40 -0800 > > some software will allow you to index a big file instead of cutting it in > > order to achieve continuous playing while leaving you free to access any > > tune > > Any ideas on which software? I have just recorded one long piece, and would > like it to remain as one long piece but with track marks. Would it work > simply to cut it up into its various tracks (with Cool Edit or Sound Forge) > then put these tracks on a cd, or would it create a gap/click between the > tracks? yes cut into sections using either of these programs. The gap between the tracks is controlled by the CD writing software, any decent program should do this. astro - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: amour fou, cobra, others Date: 24 Jan 2001 07:27:12 -0500 a beautiful performance last night (Tues) of Zorn's piano trio at New England Conservatory - the same students (they play it better than we do) will repeat the piece on Thursday at Community Music Center of Boston, 34 Warren Avenue, (between Berkeley and Clarendon Streets, one block north of Tremont, in Boston's South End. (617) 482-7494) along with Cobra by the NEC Zorn ensemble. repeat performance of Cobra (oxymoron?) Wed., Jan 31, at New England Conservatory (Brown Hall) along with Hockey and Lee Hyla's "We Speak Etruscan" and while we're on the subject ... one more Amour Fou by erik friedlander, jennifer choi, and myself at Alice Tully Hall in NY on Feb. 4. mix it up w/the Lincoln Cntr. crowd! --steve newly remodeled! - http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: amour fou, cobra, others Date: 24 Jan 2001 08:50:14 EST In a message dated 1/24/01 7:26:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, stevedrury@mindspring.com writes: > one more Amour Fou by erik friedlander, jennifer choi, and myself at Alice > Tully Hall in NY on Feb. 4. mix it up w/the Lincoln Cntr. crowd! Hmmm. Not on Erik's or Steve's gig pages. Must be new. What time? Part of what program? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: joe morris and Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 11:03:30 -0400 speaking of the joe morris trio playing live at the KF - I picked up a used copy of "Flip and Spike" on his own Riti label recorded in 1991 - Great Stuff!! Has anyone heard any of the other earlier albums he put out on this label?? Also, I'm pretty sure this has somewhat been discussed already, but when the hell is Henry Threadgill going to put out a new album?!?! I really enjoy all of his albums (actually just picked up the only one I still didn't have - "Easily Slip into another world" for 1.99$$ Canadian!! At Sam the Record Man's a couple of days ago) but I honestly feel that "Where's Your Cup?" is a monster of a good album and definitely his best work to date. Rag, Bush and All would be a close second, anyways with such potential unheard treasures from the past 4 years (the larger group that he had playing live for awhile) why isn't he releasing anything? I know some stuff went down with Sony that probably ticked him off, but does anyone have an update on the situation??? thanks, wudz. np - Marc Whitecage - forget the name of the album, but a younger Dave Douglas is on it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: jarrett Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:27:03 -0500 (EST) No, Alastair: All you have to know about is the personality of Jarrett and his *demand* for religious silence while he plays. Ken Waxman --- Alastair Wilson wrote: > Funny you should mention him Just come back from > the BBC Radio 3 "Mixing > It" live gig, where Billy Jenkins asked the audience > to be quiet, as Keith > Jarrett was doing a gig in New York. > > This probably only works if you're conversant with > Billy... _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" Subject: show thursday in cambridge Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:44:17 -0500 thought some folks on the list might be interested in this. if you want directions, email me. descriptions are from the boss-improv list: Friday, Jan 26 Zeitgeist Gallery Cambridge MA CRANK STURGEON what once was a one-man prepared-guitar performance-art act involving giant fish costumes, paper mache and pounds of Bulgarian caviar is now... a five piece jazz combo?? Yes, hard to beleive, but Crank (aka Boston ex-pat and Mass Art grad Matt Anderson, currently based in Maine)has recruited a "jazz" backing band, and more than that he refused to tell me. One of the most original artists around, and one of the toughest to describe. Suffice it to say that I think he's amazing. Really. WAYNE ROGERS + KATE BIGGAR the duo that has commanded walls of guitar noise in Major Stars, Magic Hour, and Crystalized Movements is going to try... um, something a little different. I think. Again, I'm shaky on the details. I really ought to know more about what the people I book are planning on doing once they get to the Zeitgeist. Hell, it'll be a surprise for ev'ryone, I suppose. Life is short, what th' hell... THE SON OF EARTH- FLESH ON BONE TRIO from sunny Amherst, MA, three Hampshire College students will amplify toys, bow guitars, turn on television sets and generally break little plastic things on the floor. Liberal Arts colleges can be wonderful things. They don't have grades over there, do they? It's just pass/fail, right? (I should find someone else to write these stupid description-things. It's embarrassing, here I am trying to convince y'all to come hear some bands you've never heard of, I must sound like an idiot. Just trust me, they're all good, come on over and find out fr yrself. Okay?) 8pm showtime, $6. That's only $2 per band! Of course, if you show up late, it's the same $6, you don't actually pay per band. Perhaps that was a confusing way to put it. Jeez, I dunno, I write these things so often, you know the drill already. Right right, just dig it. We're only in it for the money. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Fwd: do the "do" Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:47:22 EST I thought some people here might be interested to see this post from another mailing list, describing the writer's initial impressions to the forthcoming Erstwhile CD, Toshimaru Nakamura/Sachiko M-Do, which should be available in mid-February. it's no secret that Sachiko M is amazing. and Toshimaru Nakamura has been involved with his share of intriguing projects, not least of which was a fine recent solo disc on Zero Gravity. But bring these two together - Sachiko with her frightening, almost inhuman focus; Toshi with his clever "no-input mixing board" tricks - and the results write a whole new page for microsound music. in light of the debate about "Matrix," Erstwhile's forthcoming Sachiko/Nakamura duo disc "do" proves just what is wrong with Ikeda's post-"+/-" output. without going into detail about why "Matrix" is such a disappointment (http://www.fakejazz.com/reviews/ikeda.shtml), i'll say why "do" is such a triumph. this is an astonishing, sure to be seminal disc. Sachiko has been honing her complete control of the "no-memory" sampler for a while, and her releases to date have hinted at just what she can do. but her choice of instrument - and the limitations it imposes - are not her secret weapons. it's her concentration. Sachiko can focus a single sine tone until it burns with the heat and pinpoint precision of a laser beam. i imagine that many musicians would wither under the intensity of her concentration, but Toshi can take it. he meets Sachiko's fire head-on with an equally focused stream of mixing board feedback. and, on "do," that's just the beginning of their dance. As Sachiko and Toshi modulate their sounds, very deliberately altering pitches and frequencies, they develop a new dialect of improvised communication. their responses owe nothing to traditional improv modes and not that much more to the maturing instrumental/electro-acoustic idiom. only Sachiko and Toshi know what's being "said." but the listener picks up immedia tely on the exciting dynamic of their discourse. "do" is alive, engaging, and unpredictable - not a pre-programmed pattern of tones but a conversation between two flesh-and-blood individuals. "do" grabs you by the gut and drags you into the dialog. while you can't directly affect the colloquies between Sachiko and Toshi (recorded last Summer during three different performances), you CAN participate actively by tuning in and out or by altering your own level of concentration. that's an opportunity for true interactivity that records rarely afford. if you're willing to accept the challenge of "do" as a test of your faculty for "responsive listening," the rewards will make this demanding disc (lead-off track "do#1" runs a very intense 36:35) one of the most gratifying experiences your stereo has ever given you. gg/ gg2g4ink@javanet.com "establish enigmas. not explanations" - robert smithson Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: joe morris and Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:51:33 EST Folks, Can anyone recommend a good starter Threadgill disc? I'm embarrassed to admit that I don't own any and haven't heard any. You all gave such great advice about Berne and Ehrlich I figure I can count on you for this one. Many thanks, Tom np: Matthew Shipp's "New Orbit" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" Subject: FRIDAY Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:55:31 -0500 the crank sturgeon/wayne and kate/son of earth show i posted is FRIDAY, by god! sorry for the fuck-up. not a lot of sleep in my neck of the woods. i need a good floggin'... mk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 10:06:30 -0600 I was just thinking last night about Mr. Threadgill and pulled out a few discs to listen to today at work. I reccomend the Very Very Circus releases although "Live at Koncepts" is the least necessary of those and the most essential I think would be "Too Much Sugar" and "Carry the Day" which feature augmented bands on a few tunes and somewhat cleaner production than the live or Black Saint album. I also adore the Sextett and enjoy all of their albums. "Bermuda Blues" off of "You Know the Number" is a song I just can't get out of my head, but really pick up any of thier records you can find. The only Threadgill album I never liked is "X-75." I guess I just couldn't penetrate the 4 flute, 4 bass (I think) lineup. Also check out Air if you can. Someone please give him a contract so we can hear both Zooid and his big band! Rob NP: Mickey Katz "Music for Weddings, Bar Mitzvahs and Brisses" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: theoretical girls Date: 24 Jan 2001 11:13:02 -0500 hi. reading duckworth's chapter on branca in 'talking music' this morning. the two make much hay about the theatrical, boundary-pushing performances of his band 'theoretical girls' ... without ever describing them! *sheesh* ... so, can anyone in the know tell me what the visual element was about? and describe the music too, i guess. i know branca's symphonies, but haven't heard the t-girls or the static. thanks. kg np: gastr del sol - upgrade and afterlife - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 11:21:18 EST Could someone please DESCRIBE Mr. Threadgill's music for me? A strange request, I know, and maybe he's such a part of your musical world that it would be like stopping someone on the street and asking them to describe the Beatles, but I have never heard Threadgill. Again, thanks, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: { brad brace } Subject: *sigh* Date: 24 Jan 2001 08:26:31 -0700 Note: all "Teleport" addresses (web/ftp/email) are being eliminated: no thanks to Earthlink scum. Please choose alternates listed below: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> since 1994 <<<< + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace + + + eccentric ftp://ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace + + + continuous ftp://ftp.teleport.com/users/bbrace + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace + + + imagery ftp://ftp.pacifier.com/pub/users/bbrace News://alt.binaries.pictures.12hr ://a.b.p.fine-art.misc Reverse Solidus: http://www.teleport.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html Mirror: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/ { brad brace } <<<< bbrace@eskimo.com >>>> ~finger for pgp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Masiakasaurus knopfleri Date: 24 Jan 2001 11:27:05 -0500 By WILLIAM McCALL Associated Press Writer Paleontologists have discovered a previously unknown dinosaur with strange, hooked teeth and named the vicious creature after rock star Mark Knopfler. The scientists said they chose the guitarist and songwriter for the group Dire Straits because they listened to a lot of Dire Straits while digging under the hot tropical sun on the island of Madagascar. The bones of the small dinosaur about the size of a German shepherd were discovered by a team of researchers led by University of Utah paleontologist Scott Sampson. The island off the southeastern coast of Africa already has yielded some extraordinary fossil finds, but the latest discovery appears unique in the dinosaur world of the late Cretaceous period, about 65 million to 70 million years ago. "We know it had strange and bizarre teeth, the strangest of any dinosaur," Sampson said. "The teeth at front are weird. They're long and conical with hooked tips. They protrude straight forward, so it might be easier to catch fish, but it might be used to spear insects or some other animal." ..if you're interested in the rest of the story, write me. kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: zooid Date: 24 Jan 2001 11:37:11 -0500 Rob said: Someone please give him a contract so we can hear both Zooid and his big band! from my understanding, zooid was a pick-up band because stomu couldn't make previously scheduled dates at the knit for make a move. more accoustic, different instrumentation, but not that different from make a move, either. new compositions, too. when i saw make a move (after the zooid sets), they had new songs as well. i'm sure there's labels that would record thread. from speaking with his manager, i think they're holding out for something on the level of the columbia contract, which will give him funds for larger projects. (when he signed with columbia, he was talking about touring the u.s. with the society situation dance band, something that obviously didn't happen, tho they did play at the knit fest a couple years back). if they're holding out for another big label, i fear you'll never hear those discs... kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: Re: Killer Joey Date: 24 Jan 2001 18:27:19 +0100 > Van: Theo Klaase > You can sometimes find a few Killer Joey songs > from Napster My friends, Beware ... I was tracking down Killer Joey on Napster and stumbled on to Joey Killer. Believe me ... this is, haha, well, check it out !! Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: Music R Ensemble - Cross Fire "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: joe morris and Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 12:33:38 EST Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: > Can anyone recommend a good starter Threadgill disc? I've been on a Threadgill kick lately, so this is a timely thread. Here are my starter recommendations: Air: Air Lore (1979, RCA) OOP? Henry Threadgill: Carry the Day (1994, Columbia) ...one of the best albums of the last decade For those interested, there is a low-volume Threadgill listserv on egroups. jeff caltabiano - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Fwd: do the "do" Date: 24 Jan 2001 12:52:20 -0800 And when is this mouth watering duo coming out (for us, the poor mortals who rely on release dates :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: burns@te-cats.com (John Burns) Subject: Damn the Sabbatical, Full Speed Ahead... Date: 24 Jan 2001 13:06:15 -0800 np: Matthew Shipp's "New Orbit" Saw the above np on a recent Samerivertwice@aol.com post, and had to pump out a heartfelt, heart-bursting recommendation for this. It's the latest on Thirsty Ear's Blue Series, curated by Mr. Shipp as well. His "Pastoral Composure" launched the series with a similar quartet, only here Wadada Leo Smith replaces Roy Campbell. Recently I've been digging a whole lotta Wadada, here his trumpet arcs and sparks with furious beauty (contrasted with another excellent recent release from John Lindberg, "A Tree Frog Tonality" where he does a lot of tight, muted playing both against and with Larry Ochs) But this album, just has...this great....I don't know......scope. It commands attention with the initial theme, then thrice reprised (the theme has a somber, plaintiff power like a soundtrack, it slightly reminded me of "Angela's Ashes") One of the theme's recountings is handled by mastermind William Parker on with bowed bass, that's just reeling. The whole thing lasts 39 minutes, but feels much longer...and not in a dense, "my god everybody is playing and my ears are on fire" way... actually much of the album, the players are set off alone (Shipp himself might only be heard ~50% of the time, and his work here seems less insistent than before, but intricate as always), but these sections never feel isolated...lonely yes, but it's like they're in harmony with the other sections, just not temporally lined up. Well, hopefully this is not just me in the infatuation halo, I do think this will be a landmark release for Shipp that in 20 or 30 or more years, Shipp scholars and music fans in general will cite. Hell, Ken Burns may have to recut his PBS "Jazz" series and add 2 seconds for this "New Orbit" Praise to Shipp, Shipp-mates and Thirsty Ear -John PS Also a tip o' the digital hat to Perfect Sound Forever. Clock http://www.furious.com/perfect/matthewshipp.html for an interview I re-read last night, while listening to this. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: Susie Ibarra Date: 24 Jan 2001 16:38:03 EST I've started work on a website for Susie. It'll have the complete interview in the Asian Arts magazine, as well as info about touring, her bio, her trio, etc. The address is susieibarra.com, and it should be up by Monday. Cheers, Dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: What's wrong with Paul Rutherford? Date: 24 Jan 2001 17:46:47 -0500 (EST) Folks: Just picked this up off the February LMC Calendar. Does anyone know what has happened to Rutherford? (He's a pioneering British Free Jazz/Improv trombonist who has played with Evan Parker, Barry Guy, Derek Bailey etc. -- for newbies). Ken Waxman WED 14 100 CLUB: Benefit for Paul Rutherford.With Elton Dean Quintet+ Charlie Watts +Howard Rilery & Lol Coxhill + The Acoustic Wanderers. 7.30pm. £10 _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nyc/free gig- koenig tammen meeder reigle 2/18 Date: 24 Jan 2001 18:08:52 EST howdy gang, advance notice for a free gig i'm doing at the always wonderful downtown music gallery's free sunday shows. this coming sunday is nels cline, 7pm sunday feb 18th, 7pm STEVE KOENIG ENSEMBLE Hans Tammen, endangered guitar Robert Reigle, tenor sax Chris Meeder, tuba Steve Koenig, elastic texts FREE ADMISSION - Downtown Music Gallery 211 East 5th Street New York, NY 10003-8520 Telephone: 212-473-0043 Web: www.dtmgallery.com Sundays we have in-store concerts from 7 to 8:30, please don't call then. We're between Cooper Square, (aka 3rd Avenue/Bowery), and 2nd Avenue. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 19:39:10 EST my usual question: anyone know of an online Threadgill discography? jeff n.p. art davis quartet: life (1986, soul note) w/ pharoah sanders - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill Date: 24 Jan 2001 19:58:17 -0500 on 1/24/01 7:39 PM, Jeffcalt@aol.com at Jeffcalt@aol.com unthinkingly blurted: > my usual question: anyone know of an online Threadgill discography? This is the kind of question that makes me rash all up, start the shallow breathing thing, lose grasp of reality to such an extent, perhaps, that I consider, in my sickly little mind, doing another, and another, and another... Just stop it, would you? thanks, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: fantasy jazz sale at amazon Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:12:14 -0500 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/287454/103-1730209-0074261 I kinda hesitate to give Amazon mention but there are lots of Fantasy titles for $6.99. None of the best-known ones but still plenty of worthwhile stuff. Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nils Subject: Re: joe morris Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:39:17 -0500 mwoodwor wrote: > speaking of the joe morris trio playing live at the KF - I picked up a used > copy of "Flip and Spike" on his own Riti label recorded in 1991 - Great > Stuff!! Has anyone heard any of the other earlier albums he put out on this > label?? the one that gets me is his record 'sweatshop' (riti cd1) with sebastian steinberg and jerome deupree. it's a power funk trio, straight up, blood ulmer style. half is recorded live at boston's middle east, '89-'90. you won't find anything like it in joe's work since. real booty-shakin' but harmolodic- type playing. a bit heavy on some of the melodies, but overall joe is playing on his home turf... some of the more recent records tend to put him in a corner, out of respect to other players who don't leave enough space, and he's more restrained. his work with mat maneri, on the other hand, is sheer communion, if you want an example of the freedom i'm talking about. [soul search] on aum fi for example. n - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: thanks Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:39:08 -0700 >reading duckworth's chapter on branca in 'talking music' this morning. on this thread I'd like to thank members of this list for recommending this book so fevorishly. I spent a decent amount of the last three days of my break reading through almost all of these interviews. Personally, I found the Ben Johnston interview interesting - the personal recollections of Partch in particular...the "minimalist" interviews were enlightening for me - I now more fully appreciate Cage's ardent need to remove his own ego from the music. anyway - next up: _a year from monday_ Matt Wirzbicki also recently excited by: MIMEO "chair" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: joe morris Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:39:53 EST In a message dated 1/24/01 11:33:33 PM, jacobson@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu writes: << the one that gets me is his record 'sweatshop' (riti cd1) with sebastian steinberg and jerome deupree. >> I have a copy of this for sale for $13 including shipping in the US. please contact me off-list if interested. thanks! Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: amour fou, cobra, others Date: 24 Jan 2001 23:47:12 -0500 Hello, >> one more Amour Fou by erik friedlander, jennifer choi, and myself at >>Alice Tully Hall in NY on Feb. 4. mix it up w/the Lincoln Cntr. crowd! >Hmmm. Not on Erik's or Steve's gig pages. Must be new. What time? Part > of what program? It's on Eirk Friedlander page at least... http://www.erikfriedlander.com/ gig.htm Hope it helps, Mathieu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:19:21 -0800 (PST) pardon this slightly 0ff-topic query.(there appears to be a number of film buffs in our midst, so...) I am forwarding a question from a former z-list alumni- jim knox for those who have been on the list for a while... anyway...does anyone know where he could find a copy of "the Saragossa Manuscript"-1965 (Polish title: Rekopis Znaleziony W. Saragossie) on video? He will pay cost of postage Or trade w. something good. So if anyone has a copy they'd be willing to trade/dub etc or has any information on how he'd be able to get his hands on one that wld be great. reply off-list if appropriate. thanks. aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:24:41 -0800 I would imagine it will have to be a bootleg copy. Fantastic film! If it ever plays in your neighborhood theater do go see it. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 06:27:50 +0100 | I would imagine it will have to be a bootleg copy. Fantastic film! If it | ever plays in your neighborhood theater do go see it. | | | -- | Tosh Berman I secong this opinion. Best film made ever !!!! Jerzy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:44:55 -0800 Tosh wrote: > > I would imagine it will have to be a bootleg copy. Fantastic film! If it > ever plays in your neighborhood theater do go see it. Actually no, it has been in print recently, around the time of the Garcia-funded restoration -- I've seen it in an official-looking box at Le Video in San Francisco. I think it might be New Yorker Films? One of my top 20 films, but 2nd ranked for director Has (after _The Sandglass_). -- Jim Flannery newgragne@sfo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill Date: 25 Jan 2001 01:16:32 EST In a message dated 1/24/01 8:06:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, bb10k@velocity.net writes: > on 1/24/01 7:39 PM, Jeffcalt@aol.com at Jeffcalt@aol.com unthinkingly > blurted: > > > my usual question: anyone know of an online Threadgill discography? No Threadgill discog listed in http://www.jiubao.com/discographylinks.html (the BLUES AND JAZZ DISCOGRAPHY LINKS PAGE), for what it's worth. > This is the kind of question that makes me rash all up, start the shallow > breathing thing, lose grasp of reality to such an extent, perhaps, that I > consider, in my sickly little mind, doing another, and another, and > another... > > Just stop it, would you? > > thanks, > RL Jeff, just a warning - Rick is setting you up to do it for him. ;-) And if you're like me, you'll love every minute of it. David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: The Big Gundown on Vinil Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:06:38 +0000 (WET) Can anyone tell me if this was issued on vinil? and if there is any Tzadik record available in the format also? salut, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: FISHING WITH JOHN/INCUS VIDEOS Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:06:56 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone!, I'm thinking of purchasing the FISHING WITH JOHN series videos. I assume they're highly recommendable but please can you assure? Also I'd like to know about INCUS videos quality. I might be interested in most of them but one never knows. I've seen several taped concerts: Mr. Bungle, Slusser/Patton/Bennink, Zorn/Douglas/Eye,... but I feel like a bit of good image quality. These were recorded with a handycam. Thanks in advance, Efrén del Valle. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Joe Morris and Henry Threadgill Date: 25 Jan 2001 06:41:28 -0500 >speaking of the joe morris trio playing live at the KF - I picked up a > >used >copy of "Flip and Spike" on his own Riti label recorded in 1991 - Great >Stuff!! Has anyone heard any of the other earlier albums he put out >on >this >label?? The companion piece to Flip & Spike titled "Sweatshop" is also excellent, though a bit more of a groove recording than Joe's usual output. Not to be missed are his two LPs if you can find them. Both on the Riti label, Human Rites and Wraparound. His style really came full blown on these early releases, though again a bit more in the fusion style than he displays today. As for Threadgill, try to find Air Lore, one of the great recordings on the defunct Novus label. A classic. His two About Time recordings are finally on CD, but the best of Air is still out of print. Montreux Suisse Air...um um um, very tasty indeed and ripe for CD if anyone ever gets the tapes. I keep checking ebay for a good LP of it since mine disappeared years ago, but... Alan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patrice schneider Subject: Re: The Big Gundown on Vinil Date: 25 Jan 2001 12:59:48 +0100 Ricardo Reis wrote: > Can anyone tell me if this was issued on vinil? and if there is > any Tzadik record available in the format also? hi ricardo! yes, when it was originally released it was also available on vinyl. a friend of mine has a copy, that's how i know. tzadik, as far as i know, has never put any of its releases out on vinyl. patRice np: craig david, born to do it nr: george burchett, memoirs of a tattooist - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: Re: amour fou Date: 25 Jan 2001 07:21:56 -0500 At 09:14 AM 1/24/01 -0700, I wrote: >> one more Amour Fou by erik friedlander, jennifer choi, and myself at Alice >> Tully Hall in NY on Feb. 4. mix it up w/the Lincoln Cntr. crowd! DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: >Hmmm. Not on Erik's or Steve's gig pages. Must be new. What time? Part of >what program? > I am writing: you're right; soon to be rectified. here's the info from Lincoln Cntr http://www.lincolncenter.org/tickets/newcode/bucket.cfm?xhud0739 Sunday, February 04, 2001 ''A GREAT DAY IN NEW YORK''/CHAMBER MUSIC SOCIETY 5:00PM at Alice Tully Hall --steve newly remodeled! - http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:24:53 +0100 It should be quite easy to obtain here in poland, and the VHS tpae should be quite cheap (7 bucks? But I may be wrong). Feel free to contact me Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:19 AM > pardon this slightly 0ff-topic query.(there appears to > be a number of film buffs in our midst, so...) > > I am forwarding a question from a former z-list > alumni- jim knox for those who have been on the list > for a while... > anyway...does anyone know where he could find a copy > of "the Saragossa Manuscript"-1965 (Polish title: > Rekopis Znaleziony W. Saragossie) on video? > > He will pay cost of postage Or trade w. something > good. > So if anyone has a copy they'd be willing to trade/dub > etc or has any information on how he'd be able to get > his hands on one that wld be great. > > reply off-list if appropriate. > thanks. > > aaron > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:24:25 +0100 | | One of my top 20 films, but 2nd ranked for director Has (after _The | Sandglass_). | | -- | Jim Flannery | newgragne@sfo.com I'm curious which one Wojciech Has's movie is known in this wide world under the name "The Sandglass" ??? Jerzy Matysiakiewicz jerzym@dom.zabrze.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Gatzen Subject: Re: The Big Gundown on Vinil Date: 25 Jan 2001 06:01:22 -0800 (PST) --- Ricardo Reis wrote: > There was vinyl released back when it originally came out, as well as Spy vs Spy. I have yet to see a release of any tzadik lps however some of the reissues were available on LP..."classic guide, locus solus..etc" > > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "stevespangler" Subject: Fishing With John Date: 25 Jan 2001 09:13:26 -0500 I haven't watched the videos, but I know there's a Criterion Collection dvd with all 6 episodes and a bunch of extras--per usual to the criterion collection. I think it's $30.00. I've been looking for it for a couple of months and haven't found it so you may have to order it if you're interested. Steve Spangler - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: OT- Saragossa Manuscript Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:00:21 -0500 >anyway...does anyone know where he could find a copy of "the >Saragossa Manuscript"-1965 (Polish title: Rekopis Znaleziony W. >Saragossie) on video? Facets has it for sale or rental. Has' "The Doll"--another adaptation of a classic book--is also amazing and with a great score by Wojciech Karil; the closest film I've ever seen to Balzac. Lang - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: fishing w/john Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:09:08 -0500 ?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle? said: I'm thinking of purchasing the FISHING WITH JOHN series videos. I assume they're highly recommendable but please can you assure? i've seen 4 of the 6 episodes. they're, uh, cute. i think you'd have to be a pretty huge lurie fan to really be excited by them. the tom waits one, however, is hilarious. probably the only episode worth money. i don't even really remember what else i saw... i think bravo or ifc or somebody shows them fairly frequently, if that's viable to you. kg np: john coltrane - ballads - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:26:48 -0500 samerivertwice wants a description of threadgill. i'm scared to even try. ok, first off he is and has been for a decade or so my absolute A#1, and my bias is in no way a liability. you're talking to the right guy. his first (documented, anyway) band is air, a trio with steve mccall and fred hopkins (both sadly departed). the band was organized to play for some theater thing and did all jelly roll morton, or at least all rag stuff. what thread did was simple and brilliant. bass plays the left hand, sax plays the right hand, from the piano scores. after a few records, they released air lore, on all rag disc. ragtime is, of course, new orleans music based largely on march rhythms. this is crucial to everything he has done since. no matter what the instrumentation, no matter what the tempo (and thread's stuff come move unbelievably, teasingly slow at times), there's always a march. another strong element (though i've never heard him mention it) is albert ayler, one of the absolute greats. the way his alto bleats triplets, you'd think albert's sitting right inside. also, thread tends to favor duos over solos -- two people soloing over a composed groove -- at least in recent years. the major bands are air, the sextett (a powerful brass band), very very circus (a dark, resonant band with dual tubas and dual electric guitars, sax, drum, trombone or french horn and often added guests (percussion, vocal, violin...)), and make a move (elec guitar, elec bass, sax/flute, drum and accordian/ harmonium). since many of his records are out of print, i'd say buy 'em when you see 'em. none of the live ones are as good (don't know why, since he's great live). you've been given some good tips from others. the tops, i guess, are air lore, air mail, rag bush and all, easily slip into another world, just the facts and pass the bucket, too much sugar for a dime, carry the day, makin' a move and where's your cup. but if i had to pick one for you, get 'song from out of my trees' on black saint. it's remarkable and, since it's black saint, stands a better chance of being in print. one thing thread never gets notice for: he's a great lyricist (although his vocal pieces are few). try bruce at downtown music gallery (dmg@panix.com, or 212.473.0043). i think he has a few for $10. damn, i'm exhausted. let me know what you buy and what you think. kg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 08:48:49 -0800 On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:24:25 +0100 "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" wrote: > > I'm curious which one Wojciech Has's movie is known in this wide world under > the name "The Sandglass" ??? There is one with the title "La Klepsydre" (not sure at all of the spelling). Could it be the same? Patrice (waiting to see "Le Manuscript trouve a Saragosse"). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:00:00 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:24:25 +0100 "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" wrote: > > > > I'm curious which one Wojciech Has's movie is known in this wide world under > > the name "The Sandglass" ??? > > There is one with the title "La Klepsydre" (not sure at all of the spelling). > Could it be the same? Indeed, I think the Polish title was _Sanatorium pod Klepsydra_, same as the Bruno Schulz collection it's based on (pardon my spelling, I'm american ;^>)? 1973, I believe? -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored." -- Norman Mailer np: Charlemagne Palestine, _Alloy_ nr: Museum of Jurassic Tech, _No One May Ever Have the Same Knowledge Again_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: PD: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 19:37:24 +0100 ----- Wiadomo=B6=E6 oryginalna ----- Od: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Do: "Patrice L. Roussel" Wys=B3ano: 25 stycznia 2001 19:35 Temat: Odp: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film | | ----- Wiadomo=B6=E6 oryginalna ----- | Od: "Patrice L. Roussel" | Do: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" | DW: "Jim Flannery" ; "Zornowska lista" | ; | Wys=B3ano: 25 stycznia 2001 17:48 | Temat: Re: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film | | | | | | On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:24:25 +0100 "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" wrote: | | > | | > I'm curious which one Wojciech Has's movie is known in this wide wo= rld | under | | > the name "The Sandglass" ??? | | | | There is one with the title "La Klepsydre" (not sure at all of the | spelling). | | Could it be the same? | | | "Sanatorium pod Klepsydra" based on the books of Bruno Schulz, polish writer | killed during WWII in the ghetto in Drohobycz. | I can only recommend to read his books. Polsh titles "Sanatorium pod | Klepsydra" i "sklepy cynamonowe" | | | JM | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" Subject: Odp: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film Date: 25 Jan 2001 19:36:57 +0100 ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Jim Flannery" Do: Wyslano: 25 stycznia 2001 19:00 Temat: Re: Odp: OT- "The Saragossa Manuscript"-film | "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: | > | > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:24:25 +0100 "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" wrote: | > > | > > I'm curious which one Wojciech Has's movie is known in this wide world under | > > the name "The Sandglass" ??? | > | > There is one with the title "La Klepsydre" (not sure at all of the spelling). | > Could it be the same? | | Indeed, I think the Polish title was _Sanatorium pod Klepsydra_, same as the | Bruno Schulz collection it's based on (pardon my spelling, I'm american ;^>)? Marvellous Jim, just marvellous, I'm really impressed :)) JM - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: brand new emanems Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:42:11 -0800 (PST) Martin Davidson is the REAL Slim Shady! (I'm sure he's neither, but bad joke was irresistable.) For those who haven't heard yet, the new batch of Emanem CDs includes: 1. Pat Thomas solo (acoustic) piano 2. John Butcher unaccompanied solo saxophone (sop/ten) 3. "The Kryonics" (fiddlers Aleks Kolkowski---has anyone heard this guy?---and Jon Rose with bassist Matthias Bauer, who was on Bill Dixon's beautiful BERLIN ABBOZZI). 4. Veryan Weston / Caroline Kraabel duo (who is this Karaabel, the saxophonist?) and the real dilly.... STRINGS WITH EVAN PARKER (1997-2000) 3-CD set "A magnificent studio session featuring PHIL DURRANT (violin), KAFFE MATTHEWS (violin & electronics), MARCIO MATTOS (cello), MARK WASTELL (cello), JOHN EDWARDS (double bass), RHODRI DAVIES (harp), PETER CUSACK (bouzouki, guitar & electronics), JOHN RUSSELL (guitar) and HUGH DAVIES (strings, springs & electronics) with organiser EVAN PARKER appearing on soprano saxophone on some of the pieces. 193 minutes." Just thought I'd mention this as a service to those who aren't on the Emanem mailing list; I haven't a connection w/ the label, though I suppose I've "invested" in it. -----s, send food __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill Date: 25 Jan 2001 14:52:04 EST kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: <<>> man, how man albums does he have? i only have 7 Thread albums (2 ot them w/ Air) but haven't heard of a few of the albums mentioned. You mind telling us (or me offline, if you prefer) a little bit more about these albums: which band?, dates, labels, etc.--and i'll add them to the wish list and scour the bins for them. Nice description of his various bands, by the way. I'm really curious to hear the Sextett. And, yes, let's hope that he records again soon. jeff caltabiano n.p. oliver jones: just in time (1998, justin time) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: brand new emanems Date: 25 Jan 2001 15:18:29 EST In a message dated 1/25/01 2:43:11 PM, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << STRINGS WITH EVAN PARKER (1997-2000) 3-CD set >> it should be noted that Parker only appears on 73 of the 193 minutes of the set. not that that will stop me from buying it, just saying. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: more upcoming NYC shows-British edition Date: 25 Jan 2001 15:29:14 EST it seems as if almost all of the top English improvisers will be in NYC between now and the end of April. here's the list: 2/20-Barry Guy at Tonic 3/9-Evan Parker/Joel Ryan, engine 27, 173 Franklin St. 3/23-John Butcher solo at Roulette April-Derek Bailey, Simon Fell (US debut), Will Gaines, Rhodri Davies, John Zorn, Mark Wastell-Tonic (no details yet) 4/28-29-AMM-Knitting Factory Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: more upcoming NYC shows-British edition Date: 25 Jan 2001 15:33:35 -0500 That last sound you just heard was me falling out of my chair... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Ingram Marshall, "Sighs and Murmurs," 'Immersion' (Starkland DVD) JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > it seems as if almost all of the top English improvisers will be in NYC > between now and the end of April. here's the list: > > 2/20-Barry Guy at Tonic > 3/9-Evan Parker/Joel Ryan, engine 27, 173 Franklin St. > 3/23-John Butcher solo at Roulette > April-Derek Bailey, Simon Fell (US debut), Will Gaines, Rhodri Davies, John > Zorn, Mark Wastell-Tonic (no details yet) > 4/28-29-AMM-Knitting Factory > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: about Paul Rutherford Date: 25 Jan 2001 12:41:30 -0800 OK, this is what I learnt. Paul Rutherford has been quite sick for a while. He is feeling better but still can't work. This benefit concert is to help him with finance issues. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Thought I'd seen it all... Date: 25 Jan 2001 16:16:57 -0500 Enemy of new music Wynton Marsalis performs next Thursday night with his septet at the cash-strapped Knitting Factory. Words fail me. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Paul Dresher, "Steel," 'Immersion' (Starkland DVD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: about Paul Rutherford Date: 25 Jan 2001 16:20:59 -0500 (EST) Not wanting to overly clinical here (literally), but "sick" with what disease? Is it the sort of disease that will not allow him to play again? Ken Waxman --- "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > OK, this is what I learnt. Paul Rutherford has been quite sick for a while. He is feeling better > but still can't work. This benefit concert is to > help him with finance issues. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Date: 25 Jan 2001 16:26:08 -0500 Don't know if this has been mentioned on the Screwgun website - I didn't check - but yesterday I got some clarification regarding Tim Berne's upcoming debut on Thirsty Ear's Blue Series. The band that made the record this past weekend was a trio of Tim, Craig Taborn on electric keyboards and effects, and Tom Rainey on drums. The label is pushing for an early spring release date. Tom sez it was "very electronic, very strange." The band Quicksand (the above three plus Tony Malaby and Marc Ducret) is set to record in March, following their run at the Knit (March 8-11) and their European tour (March 12-24). The label for this project is yet to be determined. Inquiring minds, y'all. And all New Yorkers who haven't been checking out Tony Malaby's weekly improv series on Wednesday nights at the Internet Cafe have been missing out on some stomping music. Tony and Tom tore the roof off last night inna 'Interstellar Spaces' stylee. The series continues through June with a break for the Quicksand tour. Two to mark on your calendars now: February 28 (Tony, Mike Formanek, Chris Speed, Jim Black) and March 7 (Sabino, which is Malaby, Ducret, Formanek and Rainey). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP -Pauline Oliveros, "Sayonara Serenade," 'Immersion' (Starkland DVD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Date: 25 Jan 2001 16:47:50 -0500 ssmith said: and March 7 (Sabino, which is Malaby, Ducret, Formanek and Rainey). Steve, I think you meant DUCRET! DUCRET! DUCRET! DUCRET! DUCRET! kg np: beach boys - pet sounds ps: d'jou get residents tix ss? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "stevespangler" Subject: Big Gundown vinyl Date: 25 Jan 2001 16:54:36 -0500 I have Big Gundown on vinyl, and I'm willing to sell if you want it--I have the new cd with the extra stuff; I don't really need two copies. Just email me if interested. Steve Spangler - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: fishin' with john Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:01:55 -0500 Tom Waits episode is great fun, but for my money out of the four I've seen = the Willem Dafoe episode is tops! Too bad both of these aren't on the = same tape. =20 Bob np: julie cruise, big night sndtrk and zony mash upper egypt (doin' the = shuffle) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:07:11 -0500 jeffcalt: man, how man albums does he have? i only have 7 Thread albums (2 ot them w/ Air) but haven't heard of a few of the albums mentioned. You mind telling us (or me offline, if you prefer) a little bit more about these albums: which band?, dates, labels, etc.--and i'll add them to the wish list and scour the bins for them. Nice description of his various bands, by the way. I'm really curious to hear the Sextett. And, yes, let's hope that he records again soon. ok, i'll try. i'm at work, tho. others are invited to correct and add. AIR (HT/Fred Hopkins/Steve McCall) Air Mail - three tracks, dedicated to Cecil Taylor+Jimmy Lyons, Ronnie Boykins and, uh, someone else Air Lore - morton/joplin compositions, plus a short version of paille street or something, which was later recorded by the sextett. Open Air Suite - very dense, challenging, great record. never on cd, i don't think. Air Raid - strong originals set 82 degrees over 80 - stronger originals set Live Air - quiet, almost ambient ethereal kinda stuff. not entirely grabbing Air Show No. 1 - post steve mccall (pheroan aklaff sits in), with thread's wife at the time cassandra wilson contributing vocals. good, and i always like to hear thread's songs (like, lyric), but not great. SEXTETT (usually included Deidre Murray (cello), Fred Hopkins (bass), Pheroan Aklaff and Reggie Nicholson (drums), and trumpet and trombone players like Olu Dara, Rassul Sadik, Frank Lacy, Craig Harris) Just the Facts and Pass the Bucket - killer When Was That? - not as great Easily Slip into Another World - hazy, crazy, great. his 'revolver', if only in a substance-use sense Rag, Bush and All - wicked powerful, deidre shines. only four tracks, so much more expansive than most You Know the Number - features an Olu Dara composition (rare instance of a bandmember composition credit) and lotsa other great stuffs. VERY VERY CIRCUS Spirit of 'Nuff 'Nuff - great tracks, murky production, but worth it to hear the skeleton of the duo-rising-from-the-mire composition structure Live at Koncept's - better sound, lesser compositions Too Much Sugar for a Dime - heavily laswellfied, so be forewarned, but absolutely fantastic disc. all over the place. kill. Carry the Day - More guest spots, but more focused than Sugar. another great vocal track, too. Makin' a Move - great, of course, but feels a bit like more of the same MAKE A MOVE (HT, Brandon Ross guitar, Stomu Takeishi bass, JT Lewis drums, Tony Cedras harmonium, accordion) Where's Your Cup? - essential, his most cohesive band since Air and some of his most compelling composing. OTHER X11-75 (or something) - dense disc with four double basses and, i believe, the great douglas ewart. not one of his best. never on cd, i don't think. Song Out of My Trees (Black Saint) - includes two guitar quartets, some great Amina Claudine Myers and Ted Daniel, and some tracks that sorta precurse make a move. i'm gonna be sick about the one i forgot. HT Fun Fact - with the nit-picky exception of accordian, Thread never uses another reed player! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 17:28:42 -0500 The one I think you forgot, if I recall correctly, was 'Air Time,' a tremendous LP on Nessa. I don't own this but used to have access to it at a college radio station. One of the few things I ever considered stealing. Was there only one New Air disc? For some reason I thought there might have been two. Anyway, I, too, enjoyed the track with Cassandra, "Apricots on Their Wings." Finally, I'll plug one non-Threadgill release on which he's especially well represented: Anthony Braxton's 1978 Arista LP 'For Trio.' One side with Braxton, Threadgill and Douglas Ewart, the other with Braxton, Roscoe Mitchell and Joseph Jarman. Both play the same composition, but each is quite unlike the other. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Lukas Ligeti, "Propeller Island," 'Immersion' (Starkland DVD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 14:51:18 -0800 Steve, On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:28:42 -0500 Steve Smith wrote: > > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Lukas Ligeti, "Propeller Island," 'Immersion' (Starkland DVD) Could you tell us more on this DVD? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 18:12:53 -0500 on 1/25/01 5:07 PM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com at kurt_gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > which band?, dates, labels, etc.--and i'll add them to the wish list and > scour the bins for them. So. You intend to own them all? > there's been some talk about thread over at the zornlist, and someone wanted a > discography. apparently there's not one on line anywhere. Are you going to do one? Just, y'know, curious... RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Re[2]: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 18:28:08 -0500 i have all the ones i mentioned, as well as the one steve smith so kindly added. i have no plans to compile a discography to put on line (patrice, you don't have one?), but will add labels and years if someone's serious about making this available (without my editorial comments, of course) kg _______________________________________________________________________________ on 1/25/01 5:07 PM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com at kurt_gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > which band?, dates, labels, etc.--and i'll add them to the wish list and > scour the bins for them. So. You intend to own them all? > there's been some talk about thread over at the zornlist, and someone wanted a > discography. apparently there's not one on line anywhere. Are you going to do one? Just, y'know, curious... RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 19:33:33 EST Thanks for the disco. info. from Steve, Kurt, and whoever else. I just discovered that AMG has a surpisingly good disco. as well: http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B131791 ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > Was there only one New Air disc? For some reason I thought there might have > been two. Yeah, I forget if this has been mentioned yet, but I just picked up (at CyberMusicSurplus for cheap) New Air: Live at the Montreal Int'l Jazz Festival (1984, Black Saint) recorded July '83. HT performs on alto, baritone, and flute. jeff caltabiano n.p. henry kaiser & wadada leo smith: yo miles!, disc 2 (1998, shanachie) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 22:18:49 -0500 on 1/25/01 7:33 PM, jeffcalt@aol.com at jeffcalt@aol.com unthinkingly blurted: > Thanks for the disco. info. from Steve, Kurt, and whoever else. So obviously the number of recordings isn't *prohibitive* or anything, right? Then how hard would it be for any (and all) interested parties to feed me complete info on recordings in their collections? If responses cover most all of it, I'll do the code and put this baby up. It would be, as my arbitrary but useful distinction defines it: a discography-- official releases only. I'd post a little ditty to these lists outlining the format, and you guys could fill'em in, send them along, and I'd cut-and-paste myself half to death, some more. What say you all? I need some distraction!!! RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: some fuel for the fire, perhaps? Date: 25 Jan 2001 19:54:48 -0800 Taken from http://www.pbs.org/jazz/about/about_behind_the_scenes4.htm, on the last episode (you know, the supposed 30-years-in-30-minutes one) -- scroll to the last paragraph. Episode 10: "A Masterpiece by Midnight" 1960 to the Present January 31, 2001, 9:00 P.M. (check local listings) During the Sixties, jazz is in trouble. Critics divide the music into "schools" - Dixieland, swing, bebop, hard bop, modal, free, avant-garde. But most young people are listening to rock 'n' roll. Though Louis Armstrong briefly outsells the Beatles with Hello Dolly, most jazz musicians are desperate for work and many head for Europe, including bebop saxophone master, Dexter Gordon. At home, jazz is searching for relevance. During the Civil Rights struggle, it becomes a voice of protest. Before his early death, the avant-garde explorer John Coltrane links jazz to the Sixties quest for a higher consciousness with his devotional suite, A Love Supreme. And Miles Davis, after conquering the avant-garde with a landmark quintet, combines jazz with rock 'n' roll by using electric instruments to launch a wildly popular sound called Fusion. In the 1970s, jazz loses the exuberant genius of Louis Armstrong and the transcendent artistry of Duke Ellington, and for many their passing seems to mark the end of the music itself. But in 1976, when Dexter Gordon returns from Europe for a triumphant comeback, jazz has a homecoming, too. Over the next two decades, a new generation of musicians emerges, led by trumpeter Wynton Marsalis - schooled in the music's traditions, skilled in the arts of improvisation, and aflame with ideas only jazz can express. The musical journey that began in the dance halls and street parades of New Orleans at the start of the 20th century continues. As it enters its second century, jazz is still brand new every night, still vibrant, still evolving, and still swinging. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: some fuel for the fire, perhaps? Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:57:14 -0600 On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 07:54:48PM -0800, Benito Vergara wrote: > mark the end of the music itself. But in 1976, when Dexter Gordon returns > from Europe for a triumphant comeback, jazz has a homecoming, too. Over the Burns thinks *Dexter Gordon* saved the world? Yeah, he was a good player and an OK actor, but... As Art D'Lugoff useta say (and still may): A roar of drums, a blare of trumpets, and out steps a Fig Newton. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: RE: thread Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:20:15 -0500 Regarding Henry, his big band known as "Society Situation Dance band" is unrecorded but easily the most dynamic and creative big band I've ever heard. This is truly the shit!!! Dave Douglas "Charms of the Night Sky" played a splendid set tonight in Chicago. Solid compostions with Dave, Guy, Mark and Greg completely in sync. Lastly, Nickie Mitchell is a flutist from Chicago who currently co-leads groups with Ed Wilkerson and David Boykin. Plenty of chops and easy on the eyes. BLOX -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:07 PM jeffcalt: man, how man albums does he have? i only have 7 Thread albums (2 ot them w/ Air) but haven't heard of a few of the albums mentioned. You mind telling us (or me offline, if you prefer) a little bit more about these albums: which band?, dates, labels, etc.--and i'll add them to the wish list and scour the bins for them. Nice description of his various bands, by the way. I'm really curious to hear the Sextett. And, yes, let's hope that he records again soon. ok, i'll try. i'm at work, tho. others are invited to correct and add. AIR (HT/Fred Hopkins/Steve McCall) Air Mail - three tracks, dedicated to Cecil Taylor+Jimmy Lyons, Ronnie Boykins and, uh, someone else Air Lore - morton/joplin compositions, plus a short version of paille street or something, which was later recorded by the sextett. Open Air Suite - very dense, challenging, great record. never on cd, i don't think. Air Raid - strong originals set 82 degrees over 80 - stronger originals set Live Air - quiet, almost ambient ethereal kinda stuff. not entirely grabbing Air Show No. 1 - post steve mccall (pheroan aklaff sits in), with thread's wife at the time cassandra wilson contributing vocals. good, and i always like to hear thread's songs (like, lyric), but not great. SEXTETT (usually included Deidre Murray (cello), Fred Hopkins (bass), Pheroan Aklaff and Reggie Nicholson (drums), and trumpet and trombone players like Olu Dara, Rassul Sadik, Frank Lacy, Craig Harris) Just the Facts and Pass the Bucket - killer When Was That? - not as great Easily Slip into Another World - hazy, crazy, great. his 'revolver', if only in a substance-use sense Rag, Bush and All - wicked powerful, deidre shines. only four tracks, so much more expansive than most You Know the Number - features an Olu Dara composition (rare instance of a bandmember composition credit) and lotsa other great stuffs. VERY VERY CIRCUS Spirit of 'Nuff 'Nuff - great tracks, murky production, but worth it to hear the skeleton of the duo-rising-from-the-mire composition structure Live at Koncept's - better sound, lesser compositions Too Much Sugar for a Dime - heavily laswellfied, so be forewarned, but absolutely fantastic disc. all over the place. kill. Carry the Day - More guest spots, but more focused than Sugar. another great vocal track, too. Makin' a Move - great, of course, but feels a bit like more of the same MAKE A MOVE (HT, Brandon Ross guitar, Stomu Takeishi bass, JT Lewis drums, Tony Cedras harmonium, accordion) Where's Your Cup? - essential, his most cohesive band since Air and some of his most compelling composing. OTHER X11-75 (or something) - dense disc with four double basses and, i believe, the great douglas ewart. not one of his best. never on cd, i don't think. Song Out of My Trees (Black Saint) - includes two guitar quartets, some great Amina Claudine Myers and Ted Daniel, and some tracks that sorta precurse make a move. i'm gonna be sick about the one i forgot. HT Fun Fact - with the nit-picky exception of accordian, Thread never uses another reed player! - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: some fuel for the fire, perhaps? Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:52:29 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > Burns thinks *Dexter Gordon* saved the world? Yeah, he was a good player > and an OK actor, but... No, to my mind Burns poses Dex as a sort of John the Baptist character, whose return to the scene paves the way for the young Messiah to come, arisen from the holy land of New Orleans, the cradle of jazz music. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: thread Date: 26 Jan 2001 01:26:50 -0500 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > NP - Lukas Ligeti, "Propeller Island," 'Immersion' (Starkland DVD) > > Could you tell us more on this DVD? Sure thing. It's a new DVD-Audio release from the Starkland label, featuring 13 pieces composed exclusively for this project, each of which makes use of the 5.1 surround sound feature that the format allows. In other words, the mandate was to create new music that exists truly in three dimensions, by channeling it into front left and right and surround left and right (like quadrophonic) plus the center channel and the sub-woofer channel available in DVD, products of cinema technology. All of the composers responded to the mandate in very different ways, some by creating massive spatial swirls of sound, some by placing the majority of the music in "front" of the listener but with subtle little details and afterimages "behind," and some used the interference between channels playing simultaneously to achieve something different altogether, like Merzbow's colliding noise frequencies or Lukas Ligeti's teeming counter rhythms in various time signatures. Pamela Z's rather literal minded response was essentially a walking tour of her home, with the voice coming from the direction where she would be speaking if you were sitting in the center of her apartment blindfolded. It's a fascinating recording. So far I have not yet heard the music in surround sound, just the stereo mixes. Even so, compositionally it's impressive (as this lineup would have to be), but there's clearly a sense that something's missing. I'm desperately trying to find a place to hear this in surround before my writing deadline of Monday afternoon, for the classical music column in Billboard magazine of all things (I've been writing this for the last few weeks). Note that this disc won't play in a CD player at all. Here's the lineup, all new compositions written in 2000 for this project: Pamela Z: Live/Work (5:01) Bruce Odland: Tank (4:59) Maggi Payne: White Turbulence 2000 (4:28) Carl Stone: Luong Hai Ky Mi Gia (4:12) Phil Kline: The Housatonic at Henry Street (4:52) Ellen Fullman: Margaret Tuned the Radio in Between Two Stations (5:08) Lukas Ligeti: Propeller Island (5:00) Paul Dresher: Steel (5:26) Pauline Oliveros: Sayonara Sirenade (4:22) - I misspelled this title in one of my plethora of "NP"s today... Paul Dolden: Twilight's Dance (4:52) Merzbow: 2000 (4:56) Ingram Marshall: Sighs and Murmurs: A SeaSong (5:18) Meredith Monk: Eclipse Variations (6:11) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Nile, "The Black Flame," 'Black Seeds of Vengeance' (Relapse) - thanks again, Jeroen! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gg" Subject: Kraabel appeal Date: 26 Jan 2001 01:51:06 -0500 Scott Handley asked: > 4. Veryan Weston / Caroline Kraabel duo (who is this Karaabel, the saxophonist?) yep, saxophone and pretentions of "performance art." Kraabel was a member of the Honkies (no clue). released a solo disc in 1997 (the live "Now We Are One Two," on Dark Beloved Cloud) that is either unlistenable or just off any appraisal scale with which i'm familiar. i want to say the best (relative, mind you) parts sound like a laundry-room nmperign session with the Honker muppets from Sesame Street sitting in. but that's too kind. as for all the overheated prepubescent spoken-word material? very, very bad idea. almost worth keeping around for the sleeve, though - handwritten note, red-foil paper dolls, sealed in some sort of sheet rubber double-dipped in red wax and glue. well, almost. gg/ gg2g4ink@javanet.com "establish enigmas. not explanations" - robert smithson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given Subject: Re: fishing with john Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:08:41 -0800 > > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:01:55 -0500 > From: "Bob Kowalski" > Subject: fishin' with john > > Tom Waits episode is great fun, but for my money out of the four I've seen = > the Willem Dafoe episode is tops! Too bad both of these aren't on the = > same tape. =20 I rented FwJ on DVD a couple of months ago, and yes, these are the episodes that are the best, by far, though the Dennis Hopper episode is also quite amusing. The disc presents all 6 order, I think I found the first one (Jim Jarmusch) interesting because I had no idea what to expect, then the 3 mentioned above were all good, and the other 2 so so. But for anyone wanting to buy it, this would be the way to do it. I saw it for sale recently for about $50 Cdn (35 US). Someone mentioned that they thought that the DVD of these has extra material -- I don't think there was much beyond a Lounge Lizards video. Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Rath Subject: re: fishing with John Date: 26 Jan 2001 02:26:32 -0600 > >But for anyone wanting to buy it, this would be the way to do it. I saw it >for sale recently for about $50 Cdn (35 US). Buy.com has it right now for about $21 US on DVD or the VHS 3-tape set for $19. >Someone mentioned that they thought that the DVD of these has extra material >-- I don't think there was much beyond a Lounge Lizards video. The DVD basically contains the 6 episodes, a Lounge Lizards video, and then commentary tracks for all 6 episodes done by Lurie. Sometimes his commentary track is funnier than the actual show. And I agree that the Defoe ep is great, though I enjoyed them all. Craig M. Rath H: fripp@mn.mediaone.net W: rathc@questarweb.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: fishing with john Date: 26 Jan 2001 09:39:34 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! Thanks for your "Fishing" recommendations. Nobody actually seems to lose their heads about it so I'll think twice. You can't afford everything. Thanks again, Efrén del Valle np: Robert Wyatt "Ruth is Stranger than Richard". now doing: translating Zorn's interview! _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: brand new emanems Date: 26 Jan 2001 11:20:02 +0100 >From: Scott Handley > >3. "The Kryonics" (fiddlers Aleks Kolkowski---has >anyone heard this guy?---and Jon Rose with bassist >Matthias Bauer, who was on Bill Dixon's beautiful >BERLIN ABBOZZI). Kolkowski is a violin player from Berlin who has worked with Butch Morris Berlin Skyscrapers and his own projects with Axel Doerner. I think he´s able to make some valuable musical contributions in the near future. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Date: 26 Jan 2001 14:00:51 +0100 > The band Quicksand (the above three plus Tony Malaby and Marc Ducret) is > set to record in March, following their run at the Knit (March 8-11) and > their European tour (March 12-24). The label for this project is yet to Does anybody knopw where i could find info about the european tour? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: threaddisco Date: 26 Jan 2001 14:23:01 +0100 >From: Rick Lopez > >So obviously the number of recordings isn't *prohibitive* or anything, >right? Then how hard would it be for any (and all) interested parties to >feed me complete info on recordings in their collections? If responses >cover >most all of it, I'll do the code and put this baby up. It would be, as my >arbitrary but useful distinction defines it: a discography-- official >releases only. I'd post a little ditty to these lists outlining the format, >and you guys could fill'em in, send them along, and I'd cut-and-paste >myself >half to death, some more. > >What say you all? great idea! I´m searching for a thread-disco for a long time. here are the items of my collection (details will follow if necessary): 02.07.1969 MUHAL RICHARD ABRAMS SOLO & QUINTET YOUNG AT HEART - WISE IN TIME AS (2) LP 51:30 10.09.1975 AIR AIR SONG AS TS BS FL LP 48:57 14.05.1976 AIR WILDFLOWERS 1, NEW YORK LOFT SESSIONS AS LP 07:45 01.07.1976 AIR LIVE AIR AS FL PER CD 39:53 23.08.1976 ROSCOE MITCHELL SOLO - QUARTET NONAAH AS (9) LP 88:30 22.09.1977 ANTHONY BRAXTON TRIO FOR TRIO FL BFL AS TS BS CL PER (1) LP 41:18 01.11.1977 MUHAL RICHARD ABRAMS QUINTET 1 - OQA + 19 AS TS FL VOI CD 41:52 17.11.1977 AIR AIR TIME AS TS FL BFL LP 43:38 21.02.1978 AIR OPEN AIR SUIT AS TS BS FL LP 39:32 27.03.1978 FRANK WALTON SEXTET REALITY AS CD 43:24 01.07.1978 ROSCOE MITCHELL SOLO, TRIO & OCTET L-R-G, THE MAZE, S2 EXAMPLES PER (2) LP 83:45 22.07.1978 AIR MONTREUX SUISSE AS TS BS HUB LP 39:09 13.01.1979 HENRY THREADGILL X-75, VOL. I AS BFL FL COMP LP 43:08 11.05.1979 AIR AIR LORE TS AS FL CD 36:30 25.07.1980 DAVID MURRAY OCTET MING AS CD 39:17 28.12.1980 AIR AIR MAIL TS AS FL BFL HUB CD 35:39 01.01.1981 MATERIAL MEMORY SERVES AS (2,6,7) LP 39:50 31.10.1981 DAVID MURRAY OCTET HOME AS BFL CD 38:35 01.01.1982 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET WHEN WAS THAT ? FL BFL CL AS TS LP 40:40 23.01.1982 AIR 80 DEGREES BELOW 82 AS CD 33:50 14.07.1982 DAVID MURRAY OCTET MURRAY'S STEPS AS FL LP 39:45 01.01.1983 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET JUST THE FACTS AND PASS THE BUCKET FL CL AS BS LP 39:31 01.07.1983 NEW AIR LIVE AT MONTREAL JAZZ FESTIVAL AS BS FL CD 46:32 01.01.1984 AIR AIR RAID TS FL MUS LP 41:20 01.12.1984 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET SUBJECT TO CHANGE FL CL AS TS LP 40:58 01.01.1985 HAL WILLNER KURT WEILL-LOST IN THE STARS ARR COND (6) CD 67:35 01.04.1986 PAUL HAINES - KIP HANRAHAN DARN IT ! AS (10) CD 97:19 02.06.1986 NEW AIR WITH CASSANDRA WILSON AIR SHOW NO. I AS TS FL BJ CD 41:54 12.10.1986 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET YOU KNOW THE NUMBER AS TS BFL CD 45:32 20.09.1987 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET EASILY SLIP INTO ANOTHER WORLD AS TS CL ARR LP 39:08 01.12.1988 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET RAG, BUSH AND ALL AS BFL LP 38:28 19.11.1990 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS SPIRIT OF NUFF...NUFF AS FL CD 58:10 01.01.1991 MATERIAL THE THIRD POWER FL ARR LP 37:04 01.05.1991 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS LIVE AT KONCEPTS AS FL BFL CD 51:43 01.01.1992 HAL WILLNER WEIRD NIGHTMARE: MEDITATIONS ON MINGUS FL ARR (2,5,19) CD 74:18 01.01.1993 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS TOO MUCH SUGAR FOR A DIME AS CD 53:43 23.01.1993 BILLY BANG HIP HOP BE BOP AS CD 32:42 17.08.1993 HENRY THREADGILL SONG OUT OF MY TREES COMP AS CD 46:03 01.07.1994 KIP HANRAHAN A THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT - SHADOW NIGHT I AS (16) CD 64:09 01.07.1994 KIP HANRAHAN A THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT - RED NIGHT FL (7) CD 70:36 01.01.1995 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS CARRY THE DAY AS BFL FL CD 37:00 01.01.1995 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS MAKIN' A MOVE AS (2-5,7) CD 63:15 01.08.1996 HENRY THREADGILL MAKE A MOVE WHERE'S YOUR CUP ? AS FL CD 65:13 Andreas PS: Kurt, have you compiled your nearly complete disco from memory? unbelievable - anyhow for me! PPS: has anybody ever seen the first Air LP TEILWEISE KACKE, ABER STEREO mentioned some days ago at the threadlist and in the AMG book? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: Fishing with John Date: 26 Jan 2001 08:27:40 -0500 I rented this on DVD awhile back and really enjoyed it (actually, my whole family, including the kids watched it eagerly over several nights). There were 1-hour episodes with Jim Jarmusch, Matt Dillon, Tom Waits (in Jamaica), Willem Dafoe (ice fishing, my favorite), and a 2-hour with Dennis Hopper (Thailand). They range from kinda bleak to very funny (e.g. Waits storing his fish in his pants). The audio commentary by Lurie is often even better than the original shows, as he describes how things REALLY went down. Like, in one, they only caught one fish and used it over and over in various shots. Or how Waits was really angry and they didn't speak for long afterwards. It makes you realize how "fake" television documentaries can be. There are a couple of Lounge Lizard videos on there too. The CD is good too, John Lurie in fairly quiet pieces, plus a couple of Waits vocals. Glenn Lea - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: threaddisco Date: 26 Jan 2001 09:03:47 -0500 on 1/26/01 8:23 AM, Andreas Dietz at andreasdietz@hotmail.com unthinkingly blurted: > great idea! I=B4m searching for a thread-disco for a long time. here are th= e > items of my collection (details will follow if necessary): >=20 > 02.07.1969 MUHAL RICHARD ABRAMS SOLO & QUINTET YOUNG AT HEART - WIS= E IN .... [enormous snip].... > 01.08.1996 HENRY THREADGILL MAKE A MOVE WHERE'S YOUR CUP ? AS FL CD 65:13 Andreas! How many (few) are you missing? Here's the options-- You may either spend inestimable hours plugging all available info into a ***SESSION ENTRY*** template that looks like this:
00.09.14

Matthew Shipp: Matthew Shipp's New Orbit

Thirsty Ear Recordings (The Blue Series) THI 57095-2 (CD) 2001

September 14, 2000
Seltzer Sound
New York City
  1. New Orbit [2:59]
  2. Paradox X [4:31]
  3. Orbit 2 [3:39]
  4. Chi [7:50]
  5. Orbit 3 [2:23]
  6. U Feature [3:56]
  7. Syntax [7:16]
  8. Maze Hint [1:09]
  9. Paradox Y [3:54]
  10. Orbit 4 [1:31]
[All compositions, Matthew Shipp]

Matthew Shipp (p)
Wadada Leo Smith (tp)
William Parker (b)
Gerald Cleaver (d)

{Primary Source: THI 57095-2}

and a ***SESSION LISTING*** that looks like this:
  • 00.09.14 / Matthew Shipp: Matthew Shipp's New Orbit / Thirsty Ear ------OR------ make liner note copies that once sent to me will further clo= g my life, rendering the mere IDEA of leisure time an even more pathetic joke than it is now and ever has been, amen. But, I'll do it if that's a better way for everyone to go. Now if several folk leap forward and volunteer to do a number each, than th= e load becomes less frightful. Receiving the sessions in the format above means I just have lots of cut-and-pasting to do, lots of tweaking, etc. I will answer any queries in detail regarding the finer points of the severely anal formalism of the template. HTML Coding 'R' Us... what the hell am I doing now, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re:threaddiscography Date: 26 Jan 2001 10:21:01 -0500 i'm willing to help, although what purpose does it serve after the amg one someone mentioned? i haven't looked at that one myself. and wait till we get to guest appearances. thread was on about every other weekly record laswell made in the 90s. kg np: rahsaan roland kirk - dog years in the fourth ring (disc 1) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: threaddiscography Date: 26 Jan 2001 10:27:25 -0500 on 1/26/01 10:21 AM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com at kurt_gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > > i'm willing to help, although what purpose does it serve after the amg one > someone mentioned? i haven't looked at that one myself. AMG is prone to error, omission, and often does not list complete session info. Besides. Ours will look better. > and wait till we get to guest appearances. thread was on about every other > weekly record laswell made in the 90s. Well then! Better get to work... ;-) RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kristy Shugg" Subject: Saragossa Manuscript in London [NZ] Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:36:26 apologies for more film talk, but london people might like to know that the Cine Lumiere in South Ken is showing a Wojciech Has retrospective this weekend: Fri 26: The Noose, 6.30; The Sandglass, 8.45 Sat 27: The Sandglass, 5.00; The Saragossa Manuscript, 7.30 (The Saragossa Manuscript's also showing on Mon and Wed). ....bearing in mind that these times come from a well-known weekly listings mag which has been known to be sporadically inaccurate.... ----- Kristy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Saragossa Manuscript in Atlanta Date: 26 Jan 2001 10:41:59 -0500 > apologies for more film talk, but london people might like to know It's also screening in Atlanta 1/27 at the High Museum. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: Odp: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Date: 26 Jan 2001 10:44:46 -0500 Hello Marcin, Many artists are working with Saudades Tourneen agency. That's why you can mostly find their tour schedules at http://www.ejn.it/saudades/. Tim Berne's schedule is also can be found at Screwgun Records web site - http://www.screwgunrecords.com/. Friday, January 26, 2001, you wrote to me: MG> From: Steve Smith >> The band Quicksand (the above three plus Tony Malaby and Marc Ducret) is >> set to record in March, following their run at the Knit (March 8-11) and >> their European tour (March 12-24). The label for this project is yet to MG> Does anybody knopw where i could find info about the european tour? -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re[2]: threaddiscography Date: 26 Jan 2001 11:15:20 -0500 on 1/26/01 10:48 AM, Kurt_Gottschalk@scni.com at Kurt_Gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > how come i'm always unthinkingly blurting? everyone is, it's not just you. At some point all will be spouting irresponsibly; spewing unconscionably; puffing unimpressively; etcetera... > ok, yes then, let's get to work. i'd guess maybe a way to divide duties is > 1/ air > 2/ sextett > 3/ vvcircus+makeamove > 4/ guest spots > 5/ collaborations (flute force four, if nothing else...) > 6/ threadgill comps performed by others (universal congress of, and cassandra > are two i know of) This sounds too reasonable. > 4-6 are probably things we'll all have to add to. 6 may be, if you'll all forgive me, details I'll archive for later-later inclusion. But yes. >i'll take on air (i'm pretty > sure my collection's complete, except for the previously mentioned first Air > LP TEILWEISE KACKE, ABER STEREO, which i'd never heard of before this week) > start posting bits for 4-6. i'll type in and send to the list. rick, coding is > yours. (and also, thanks for doing this. glad to see a surge of warm blood on > the list here). Warm, no. Hot more like it. How many of you people understand how this flurry nonsense of mine keeps me anchored, stable, sane, AAAAH! My dear failing Grandmother has been spraying liquid shit all over the room, behind me here, for the past 32 hours. Reality therapy gawdammitt. So I've been doing lots of laundry, running up and down the stairs, suffering dissolving of the soul, improving my breath-holding capabilities, and I am exhausted and require something OTHER and of MAJOR IMPORTANCE and WORTH to distract me. Dig? Still on-list, Davey? By the way, wile *I'M* unthinkingly blurting-- I'm driving my wifey and myself 478 miles to NYC on Tuesday the 20th of Feb for MARILYN at Tonic, since I've never seen her perform, (driving back the following morning) and I would really dig it if any of you New Yawkas would introduce yourselves to me that night. Slap me around, buy me a cup o' coffee, whatever pleases you... I am so tired, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: some fuel for the fire, perhaps? Date: 26 Jan 2001 11:31:06 -0500 (EST) And don't forget that just coincidentally Dexter G. and Wynton M. both shared the same label affiliation (CBS-Sony) at that time. Jazz history always gets messy if the endproduct isn't owned by a major label that can market it wherever and whenever (SIC) it wants. Ken Waxman --- Steve Smith wrote: > No, to my mind Burns poses Dex as a sort of John the > Baptist character, whose > return to the scene paves the way for the young > Messiah to come, arisen from the > holy land of New Orleans, the cradle of jazz music. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: some fuel for the fire, perhaps? Date: 26 Jan 2001 11:31:06 -0500 (EST) And don't forget that just coincidentally Dexter G. and Wynton M. both shared the same label affiliation (CBS-Sony) at that time. Jazz history always gets messy if the endproduct isn't owned by a major label that can market it wherever and whenever (SIC) it wants. Ken Waxman --- Steve Smith wrote: > No, to my mind Burns poses Dex as a sort of John the > Baptist character, whose > return to the scene paves the way for the young > Messiah to come, arisen from the > holy land of New Orleans, the cradle of jazz music. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "George Scala" Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re: thread Date: 26 Jan 2001 11:11:16 -0500 Okay Rick, Here's something to get started... 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Your vill iss strong, Van Helsin... > By the way, wile *I'M* unthinkingly > blurting-- I'm driving my wifey and > myself 478 miles to NYC on Tuesday > the 20th of Feb for MARILYN at Tonic, > since I've never seen her perform, >(driving back the following morning) > and I would really dig it if any of > you New Yawkas would introduce > yourselves to me that night. > Slap me around, buy me a cup o' > coffee, whatever pleases you... I'm putting Rick and Sandy up in my live-in record and book storage bin in Windsor Terrace, a mere two blocks from the Jazz Center Of The World - I mean the Connecticut Muffin in Bartel Pritchard Square (aka Bartel Pritchard Circle), natch. In case anybody wants to come around and unthinkingly blurt with Ricky there too. David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: Pierre Bensusan Date: 26 Jan 2001 12:54:37 -0600 Zornologists and music enthusiasts, Pierre Bensusan (gtr virtuoso?) is playing in my hometown (Minneapolis) tonight, and I was wondering if anyone has ever seen him. I really need a recommendation before I shell out some dough, and art/culture is not at a premium in winter in MN, so.... Any information from those who've seen his live show would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jay Mote (The Big Rig) jmote@bistream.net http://www.hotheadfiasco.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re: thread Date: 26 Jan 2001 14:27:13 -0500 on 1/26/01 11:11 AM, George Scala at gscala@carolina.rr.com unthinkingly blurted: > Okay Rick, Here's something to get started... underway. Thanks again George, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 14:43:23 -0500 I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. Thanks! -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Pierre Bensusan Date: 26 Jan 2001 19:51:45 -0000 >From: Jay Mote > >Pierre Bensusan (gtr virtuoso?) is playing in my hometown >(Minneapolis)tonight, and I was wondering if anyone has ever seen him. Saw him play in the '80s, then one of the great acoustic fingerstyle guitarists, kind of the French equivalent to Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, Davey Graham. However, in the '90s he ventured into sleepytime Gnu Age territory with a major label deal (his best records are the first 4 released here via Rounder), and then sunk into obscurity. Apparently he is now returning to his original style, so if you are a fan of folk guitar, it would definitely be worth checking out... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THE COALITION Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 13:10:50 -0700 (MST) On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Maurice Rickard wrote: > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing > friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm > probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. > > Thanks! > -- > Maurice Rickard > http://mauricerickard.com/ Maurice, I'm going to probably overlook some, but here are some big names off the top of my head: Stuart Dempster (contemporary chamber), Albert Mangelsdorff (multiphonics), George Lewis (jazz, composer, computer stuff) , Ray Anderson (jazz, some albums more mainstream than others), and many others that I aren't thinking of right now. Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 14:19:55 -0600 On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:10:50PM -0700, THE COALITION wrote: > I'm going to probably overlook some, but here are some big names off the > top of my head: > > Stuart Dempster (contemporary chamber), Albert Mangelsdorff > (multiphonics), George Lewis (jazz, composer, computer stuff) , Ray > Anderson (jazz, some albums more mainstream than others), and many others > that I aren't thinking of right now. Is Roswell Rudd still around? And there's Kim Corbet out in Dallas. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THE COALITION Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 13:18:22 -0700 (MST) Thats right, Roswell Rudd. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:12:21 -0500 on 1/26/01 3:10 PM, THE COALITION at Matthew.Plummer@Colorado.EDU unthinkingly blurted: > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Maurice Rickard wrote: > >> I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing >> friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there >> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the >> kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live >> electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm >> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Maurice Rickard >> http://mauricerickard.com/ > > Maurice, > > I'm going to probably overlook some, but here are some big names off the > top of my head: > > Stuart Dempster (contemporary chamber), Albert Mangelsdorff > (multiphonics), George Lewis (jazz, composer, computer stuff) , Ray > Anderson (jazz, some albums more mainstream than others), and many others > that I aren't thinking of right now. Johannes Bauer RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Berman" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:39:49 -0500 =20 to add a few: Joe Bowie Roswell Rudd George Lewis w/ Zorn on News for Lulu Are there=20 > > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the=20 > > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live=20 > > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. =20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THE COALITION Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 13:22:18 -0700 (MST) On the more mainstream jazz side, but with live electronics you could check out Hall Crook or Robin Eubanks. Hal On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:10:50PM -0700, THE COALITION wrote: > > > I'm going to probably overlook some, but here are some big names off the > > top of my head: > > > > Stuart Dempster (contemporary chamber), Albert Mangelsdorff > > (multiphonics), George Lewis (jazz, composer, computer stuff) , Ray > > Anderson (jazz, some albums more mainstream than others), and many others > > that I aren't thinking of right now. > > Is Roswell Rudd still around? And there's Kim Corbet out in Dallas. > > -- > |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| > | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | > | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | > | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: Amazon on new Frisell Date: 26 Jan 2001 21:31:55 +0100 For those who have been wondering where Mr. Bill's musical wanderings would lead him in the wake of his first solo CD, Ghost Town, Blues Dream provides the ambitious answer. Nearly all Frisell's fascinations are here: the pastoralism of Have a Little Faith, a Nashville tinge, and the cinematic sounds of Quartet. There's also the electronic loop atmospheres of his ECM and early Elektra years and the alternating Ellingtonian and Salvation Army horns of his quintet period. All of this melded into 18 new compositions commissioned by the Walker Arts Center. A textural richness comes courtesy of Greg Leisz's various guitars backing Frisell's own guitar and a stunning integration of three horns: Curtis Fowlkes's trombone, Ron Miles's trumpet, and Billy Drewes's saxophones. As you listen to this string of broad-shouldered pieces, tributes to greats like Ron Carter, and strangely blues-inflected soundscapes, it's apparent that the solos of Ghost Town can operate as a sort of sketch or "cartoon" for this, the full painting; or a short that is then expanded into a feature. Frisell's career is taking on the aspect of a well-crafted movie or novel that explores different story lines before bringing them together for the finale (and this might be the prelude to the finale). --Michael Ross Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: Tom Waits - Chocolate Jesus "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 12:30:26 -0800 (PST) --- Maurice Rickard wrote: > Are there > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, > fits in with the > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, > maybe live > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or > something. Derek Bailey once said that he found the most interesting solo improvisors were trombonists, and there's really an embarrassment of terrific improvised bone music. Paul Rutherford (wishing him well) has a fine, challenging solo album called the GENTLE HARM OF THE BOURGEOISIE (reissued by Emanem). If you can find the album SLIDERIDE (George Lewis, Ray Anderson, and two other luminaries who slip my mind), it's a lot of fun; "avant"-leaning 4-trombone outing with lots of rootsy soul. Joe Lovano WORLDS CD on Evidence is a strong outward-bound performance with a muscular performance by Gary Valente. I love the trombone and electronics work of J.A. Deane (albums on FMP and Victo). George Lewis is a rather underdocumented master, methinks; I think a shining moment in his catalogue is his HatArt duo with Anthony Braxton at Donauschingen (apologies for butchered spelling); HOMAGE FOR CHARLES PARKER and another more recently reissued on Black Saint both venture into delicate electro-acoustic ambience with Douglas Ewert on bass clarinet. The two albums by Ray Anderson's trio with guitarist Christy Doran and Han Bennink are lots of fun: CHEER UP is a little better than AZURETY (both HatArt). Finally, I like the working trio with Conrad (Connie) Bauer, Peter Kowald (bass), and the hilarious Guenter "Baby" Sommer (percussions, etc). Jeb Bishop is also pretty amazing, though I've heard very little of his "solo" work (Wobbly Rail and OkkaDisk). Maybe that's too much, -----s, caffeine lifestyle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "serge dautricourt" Subject: hat art Date: 26 Jan 2001 12:32:25 -0800 I'm a newbie to the avant garde compared to all you guys so, What is hat art? serge _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 12:36:36 -0800 > > Are there > > > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the > > > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live > > > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. > Jeb Bishop Jeb Bishop JEB BISHOP! I thought he was the hottest player of the night* at the Brotzmann Tentet +2 show in San Francisco, and recently got his "98 Duets" on Wobbly Rail. I haven't digested it thoroughly yet, but it gets a tentative thumbs up. William Crump *...except for Mats Gustafsson's brief solo space, when I saw clouds of spit flying out towards the front row of tables. But Bishop was doing it all night, and made me think of the baseball player whose name escapes me, who said, "I pitch like my hair's on fire." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:46:37 EST In a message dated 1/26/01 2:44:59 PM, maurice@mac.com writes: << Are there any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. >> I don't think anyone has yet mentioned Radu Malfatti, who's gone from being a member of the Brotherhood Of Breath and the LJCO, just to mention two among dozens of superb groups, to the new superspare style he's pioneered over the last seven or eight years. Malfatti hasn't had any new releases in a few years, but that will be remedied in the next month or two, with a double CD on Grob, with Burkhard Stangl, Franz Hautzinger and Gunter Schneider, as well as a CD on my label, with Thomas Lehn and Phil Durrant. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: saragossa manuscript Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:50:06 EST well, after all the talk about this movie here, I rented it today. I haven't seen it yet, but I thought I'd pass on the info printed on the videotape, since I don't think that's been posted here yet. www.polart.com polart@polart.com 5700 Sarah Avenue Sarasota, FL 34233 Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #259 Date: 26 Jan 2001 13:11:23 -0800 > From: Maurice Rickard > Subject: Avant-garde trombone? > > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a > trombone-playing friend of mine, and I'm not > coming up with any good ideas. Are there > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, > fits in with the kind of thing we discuss here? > Y'know, improv, maybe live electronics, someone > stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm > probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions > would be great. Dutch trombone player Wolter Wierbos has a great solo trombone disc on ICP called X-Calibur (subtitle something about trombone technique). It would be my first recommendation. Available through verge, cadence, maybe elsewhere. Wierbos has played with ICP Orcherstra and was in Gerry Hemingway's band for years. Paul Rutherford is also a good choice; Discreet Harm of the Bourgouisie (Emanem) is solo and wonderful, but he plays on tons of good records. Gunter Christmann -- also plays cello, and is one of my favorite trombone players. If you can still get it, his duet with Mats Gustafsson, one of those Okka limited editions, is great. One of the few alubms to ever scare me -- some of the transitions from extremely quiet to extremely loud are so jarring I'm still not used to them. Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Kayser" Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:30:34 -0500 - --- Maurice Rickard wrote: >Are there >any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, >fits in with the >kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, >maybe live >electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or >something. Paul Rutherford and George Lewis. Lewis was able to get Braxton to swing. Check out the Braxton Quartet with GL, great stuff with Lewis heavily featured. Rutherford /ISKRA 1903 with Derek Bailey and Barry Guy is never far from my CD player. Stretching, twisting, and turning the vocabulary inside out. All of them are, actually. Alan Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Dexter & Burns Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:47:33 -0500 - --- Steve Smith wrote: >No, to my mind Burns poses Dex as a sort of John the >Baptist character, whose >return to the scene paves the way for the young >Messiah to come, arisen from the >holy land of New Orleans, the cradle of jazz music. As I recall, and IMHO, the whole episode was really overblown. CBS tried to promote Dexter as the NEXT BIG THING. It was really more of the same old thing, great playing but nothing earth shattering. Looking back on that period of time, again IMHO, Jaco was more influential than just about anyone else on the scene. And maybe continues to be. Which leads me to the new Downbeat which has an excellent article on Weather Report. "The Greatest Jazz Band of the Past 30 Years" may not be off the mark. Certainly Zawinul and Shorter have had a widespread influence through their composing, and Vitous and Jaco through their innovative playing. I would rank the Braxton Quartet (AB, Crispell, Dresser, Hemingway) and In Order to Survive as just as great, but much less influential. And to think that WR spent their entire 15 years on the same label as The Messiah (thanks for your analogy Steve). Alan E Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: What's he building in there ? Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:51:16 +0100 Zorn-agains, A lot of you dig Tom Waits. On Mule Variations there's this great spoken song about a man building something. Can anyone clear up this mystery for me ? What's he building in there? We have a right to know ! Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: TW - What's he building in there "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Henderson Subject: Re: avant-garde trombone Date: 26 Jan 2001 15:57:42 -0600 (CST) Sebi Tramontana and Giancarlo Schiaffini have done some really good stuff with trombones and electronics. I don't know where you can purchase their music, but I remember them being really amazing when I saw them a couple years ago. Les Henderson ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:16:24 EST As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP), Bauer, and Lewis. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:22:31 EST In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 3:47:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: I don't think anyone has yet mentioned Radu Malfatti, who's gone from being a member of the Brotherhood Of Breath and the LJCO, just to mention two among dozens of superb groups, to the new superspare style he's pioneered over the last seven or eight years. >> He's also on that utterly fantastic Louis Moholo Octet LP _Spirits Rejoice_ . Damn it all, why won't that album get a CD reissue? An LP transcript? Anything!?!? -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:35:38 -0500 on 1/26/01 3:46 PM, JonAbbey2@aol.com at JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: If you can find the albums, Tom Walsh, who lives in Montreal, is pretty interesting. There's one with his band NOMA, Climbing the Waltz, and one he did with Michael Vlatkovich and David Mott called Live in Toronto 0n Thank You Records, 5831 Rhodes Ave, St. Louis, MO 63109. Other than that, there's Roswell Rudd, Wolter Wierbos, Jeb Bishop, and Ray Anderson. --Mike > > In a message dated 1/26/01 2:44:59 PM, maurice@mac.com writes: > > << Are there any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with > the > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. >> > > I don't think anyone has yet mentioned Radu Malfatti, who's gone from being a > member of the Brotherhood Of Breath and the LJCO, just to mention two among > dozens of superb groups, to the new superspare style he's pioneered over the > last seven or eight years. > > Malfatti hasn't had any new releases in a few years, but that will be > remedied in the next month or two, with a double CD on Grob, with Burkhard > Stangl, Franz Hautzinger and Gunter Schneider, as well as a CD on my label, > with Thomas Lehn and Phil Durrant. > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > - > -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christina Carter" Subject: Re:Rudd (was Avant-garde trombone?) Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:40:20 -0600 Rudd (RIP)??? C Carter ----Original Message Follows---- As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP), Bauer, and Lewis. -- =dg= - _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:35:44 -0500 Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP) Say WHAT? Did I somehow miss word of Rudd's passing since I saw him in September and he was quoted in the New York Times on the subject of "Ken Burns Jazz" about three weeks ago? (I'm not slapping you, I'm perfectly serious...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 18:06:43 -0500 (EST) Hey dg: unless you know something the rest of us don't, or something has happened to Ros in the post few days, he ain't RIP , just not playing NYC very often. Ken Waxman --- Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP), > Bauer, and Lewis. > > -- > =dg= _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone/Double your pleasure Date: 26 Jan 2001 18:13:32 -0500 (EST) Maurice: Since you want a gift for a trombonist, how 'bout a disc featuring *both* Bauer brothers: Doppelmoppel's Aventure Québecoise (Victo) with Kopnard Bauer and Johannes Bauer (trombones); Uwe Kropinski and Joe Sache (guitar and electronics). It was recorded live at FIMAV 1998 in front of an enthusiastic audience including me and some other members of the list. Ken Waxman --- THE COALITION wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Maurice Rickard wrote: > > > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a > trombone-playing > > friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any > good ideas. Are there > > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, > fits in with the > > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, > maybe live > > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or > something. I'm > > probably overlooking the obvious, so any > suggestions would be great. > > > > Thanks! > > -- > > Maurice Rickard > > http://mauricerickard.com/ > > Maurice, _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: trombonists- zorn content too even :) Date: 26 Jan 2001 18:20:11 EST trombonists? whew! : -- vinko globokar- disc from his native yugoslavia + harmina mundi he does improv and composed ... sadly i just missed his visit to roulette, which bring me to.. the always astounding and rarely recorded Jim Staley, who gives us the wonderful music space and organization Roulette. check out roulette.org staley's disc of duets "northern dancer" w/ ZORN, ikue mori, elliott sharp, davey williams.... also his first disc, originally 2Lp now 1 CD "mumbo jumbo." if you havent been to roulette in nyc, at least check out the website and get the discs. also, on the euro-avant front, benny sluchin, for xenakis and crew...adda records. france christian lindberg: all on BIS "the solitary trombone: berio xenakis cage stockhausen kagel eliasson "american tb concertos" carlos chavez, chris rouse, gunter schuller, zwillich, creston, augustas read thomas david taylor- bass trombone misfiled somewhere but great steve koenig n.p.: bert jansch "moonshine" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: gunter schuller 75th bday/ Date: 26 Jan 2001 18:52:08 EST hi guys as zorn has been one of the great hybridizers (i think i made up that word) just a note about another great one: gunter schuller yrs steve koenig n.p.: elaine barkin "ee2: sounds words music collaborations collages" open space 22 ....................... Concert Celebrates Birthdays of Gunther Schuller BOSTON, MA Plans for a major concert event to celebrate Gunther Schuller's 75th birthday and the 20th anniversary of his independent record label GM Recordings have been finalized. The jazz/classical/Third Stream concert, presented by the Pro Arte Chamber Orchestra of Boston, is scheduled for Sunday, March 18 at 7PM at Harvard University's Sanders Theater. The line-up of Schuller collaborators and GM alumni includes Modern Jazz Quartet pianist John Lewis, jazz saxophonist Joe Lovano, Third Stream pianist Ran Blake, classical pianist Russell Sherman, classical pianist Veronica Jochum, bassist Ed Schuller, drummer George Schuller, and members of the Pro Arte Chamber Orchestra. Winner of the DownBeat Lifetime Achievement Award and inaugural member of the American Classical Music Hall of Fame, Gunther Schuller has gained notoriety in various musical careers since his first professional performance as a French horn player with Toscanini at age 16. One of the least known aspects of Schuller's legacy, however, is his advocacy of under-appreciated musicians. Exemplified by his early endorsements of musicians like Eric Dolphy and Ornette Coleman, extensive transcriptions of early jazz music, independent publishing of innovative composers like Alec Wilder, and the production of over 115 jazz and classical releases through GM Recordings, this concert celebrates that legacy with appearances by many of the finest musicians working today. Together John Lewis and Gunther Schuller were the heartbeat of the Third Stream movement, forming the Modern Jazz Society in 1955, the Lenox School of Jazz in 1957, and Orchestra USA in 1961. Joe Lovano's collaboration with Schuller in 1995 on Blue Note Records resulted in the DownBeat Critics Poll Album of the Year. Innovative pianists Ran Blake and Russell Sherman, whose "Complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas" 10-CD box set was released in October on GM to critical praise, were both brought to the New England Conservatory by Schuller in the late 60's during his tenure as its president. Veronica Jochum, daughter of the great conductor, was also on the faculty of the NEC during Schuller's ten years, and continues to teach there along with Blake and Sherman. Schuller's sons Ed and George are both veteran jazz leaders in their own right who have performed with greats like Lovano, Dewey Redman, and Dave Douglas. Gunther Schuller is the Principal Guest Conductor of the Pro Arte Chamber Orchestra who generously present this event to celebrate these two Schuller landmarks. They can be contacted at (617) 661-7067 for more information and tickets. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone/Double your pleasure Date: 26 Jan 2001 19:18:20 EST In a message dated 1/26/01 6:14:24 PM, mingusaum@yahoo.ca writes: << how 'bout a disc featuring *both* Bauer brothers: Doppelmoppel's=20 Aventure Qu=E9becoise (Victo) with Kopnard Bauer and Johannes Bauer (trombones); Uwe Kropinski and Joe Sache (guitar and electronics). It was recorded live at FIMAV 1998 in front of an enthusiastic audience including me and some other members of the list. >> I was one of those members. a few corrections to Ken's personnel listing:=20 it's Konrad Bauer and Joe Sachse (who also has a nice solo disc on FMP which= =20 I picked up after this show) and there's no electronics, just Kropinski on=20 acoustic guitar and Sachse on electric guitar. this was one of the best improv sets I've ever seen, a band perfectly=20 comfortable with each other, pushing each other higher and enjoying=20 themselves all the way. it was so good that it made the Clusone Trio and the= =20 Gerry Hemingway quartet sets immediately following seem disappointing. (the=20 Clusone Trio midnight set from the What Is Jazz? festival a few years back i= s=20 also in my personal pantheon.) for whatever reason, I don't think the Doppelmoppel show translated entirely= =20 successfully to disc (an opinion I've heard echoed by a few others who were=20 there), but this band badly needs to be documented again. their FMP disc,=20 which I prefer to the Victo recording, is from 1986. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re[2]: threaddiscography Date: 26 Jan 2001 19:12:42 -0500 on 1/26/01 6:36 PM, Brian Olewnick at olewnick@gis.net unthinkingly blurted: > Rick Lopez wrote: > >> By the way, wile *I'M* unthinkingly blurting-- I'm driving my wifey and >> myself 478 miles to NYC on Tuesday the 20th of Feb for MARILYN at Tonic > Wear a name tag or something. Should be a bunch of us there. Unless > Marilyn's putting you on the guest list, you might want to get your tix > in advance (if they're offering them for that show--I'm not sure) as > Tonic's gradually becoming an annoyingly popular haunt. Yup I'm on the guest list. How's this: I'll be wearing a MOSAIC t-shirt, a CHICAGO AMERICAN GIANTS baseball cap (1921, intertwined C/A) and sunglasses, no matter how dark it is. Oh-- here's me repulsive head: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/Intrvw.html okay, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: one more bone to pick Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:10:04 -0800 don't know if i overlooked someone else's mention of trombonist christian muthspiel, but there's a nice little CD on amadeo called simply MUTHSPEIL-PEACOCK-MUTHSPEIL-MOTION. that would be wolgang on gtr, gary on bass and paul on drums. and of course, craig harris. to cross threads, he blows terrifically on "Just the Facts" and "When was that?" Ray Anderson takes over on "Subject to Change" .... But George Lewis is my lord. Particularly that Arista LP with Braxton (Live in Berlin, I think), and on the charming Nuz4Lulu.... Martin NP. Hector Zazou-- Sahara Blue NR. John Fante -- Ask the Ashes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:16:44 EST Ooops- got him mixed up with another tboneist I guess- maybe it was Malfetti I was thinking about. Anyway, I remember reading about it on the Web sometime last year. Many apologies...:( =dg= ==================== In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 5:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Steve Smith writes: << Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP) Say WHAT? Did I somehow miss word of Rudd's passing since I saw him in September and he was quoted in the New York Times on the subject of "Ken Burns Jazz" about three weeks ago? (I'm not slapping you, I'm perfectly serious...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gamantyo Hendrantoro Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:24:27 -0500 > From: Mike Chamberlain > If you can find the albums, Tom Walsh, who lives in Montreal, is pretty > interesting. There's one with his band NOMA, Climbing the Waltz, and one he > did with Michael Vlatkovich and David Mott called Live in Toronto 0n > Thank You Records, 5831 Rhodes Ave, St. Louis, MO 63109. IIRC, he has some stuff released on Ambiances Magnetiques (www.actuellecd.com). Gamantyo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:29:36 EST In a message dated 1/26/01 8:17:17 PM, Dgasque@aol.com writes: << Ooops- got him mixed up with another tboneist I guess- maybe it was Malfetti I was thinking about. >> I feel fairly confident in saying that Malfatti's not dead either, since he sent me an e-mail yesterday. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brennansf@aol.com Subject: avant garde trombone Date: 26 Jan 2001 21:13:58 EST Check out the duo CD Johannes and Conrad BAuer, brothers who both play trombone. It's just the two of them recorded in the Volkershclachtdenkmal (hope I got that right) in Leipzig, a structure with an echo that lasts seven or eight seconds or more. It's just the two of them and it's a pretty incredible document. There's a solo piece by Conrad that invariably stops me in my tracks every time, no matter what I'm doing. jb > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing > >> friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there > >> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the > >> kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live > >> electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm > >> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> -- > >> Maurice Rickard - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 21:41:55 EST Well darn it- somebody's dead, I'm sure. Never mind me. =dg= In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 8:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 1/26/01 8:17:17 PM, Dgasque@aol.com writes: << Ooops- got him mixed up with another tboneist I guess- maybe it was Malfetti I was thinking about. >> I feel fairly confident in saying that Malfatti's not dead either, since he sent me an e-mail yesterday. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: avant garde trombone Date: 26 Jan 2001 21:48:16 EST Conrad has some great moments on Baby Sommers' _7 Hit Pieces_ on the Enemy label. I don't think this one has been re-issued either...but with my track record so far tonight, I'm probably wrong there too. =dg= In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 9:15:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brennansf@aol.com writes: << Check out the duo CD Johannes and Conrad BAuer, brothers who both play trombone. It's just the two of them recorded in the Volkershclachtdenkmal (hope I got that right) in Leipzig, a structure with an echo that lasts seven or eight seconds or more. It's just the two of them and it's a pretty incredible document. There's a solo piece by Conrad that invariably stops me in my tracks every time, no matter what I'm doing. >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MarkAxisPI@aol.com Subject: Re: Dexter and Burns Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:09:50 EST I will agree with Alan on this one. Personally, I prefer Dexter's work on Blue Note (produced by Alfred Lion and engineered by Rudy Van Gelder) to his later work for Columbia/CBS. I tremendously admire Jaco, also. However, Jaco's solo output was uneven -- at least what we've been able to see out there -- some of it brilliant, other work was crap. But, there probably isn't a musician of any genre who hasn't had an off night or two. Personally, I think a Jaco box set is long overdue. Best regards, Mark - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:02:19 -0600 On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:41:55PM -0500, Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > Well darn it- somebody's dead, I'm sure. Never mind me. As of last report, Generalissimo Francisco Franco was still dead. (Oy, am I dating myself.) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: avant garde trombone Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:23:04 -0800 The recent European epidemic of mad-trombonist disease, and the twenty-seven cases of fatal pocket-trumpeter disease associated with it, have led to the slaughter of 3.7 million trombonists and the near destruction of Europe's free-improv movement. Observers have suggested that the outbreak was a factor in the toppling of FMP Records. Mad-trombonist disease continues to haunt Germany, and Europe in general, even though the European Community, having made extraordinary efforts, appears to have contained the outbreak. The latest figures show that the incidence of the disease in Germany is less than a tenth what it was at the epidemic's height, when more than a hundred new cases were being diagnosed in trombonists every week. Still, the pummeling of the German music industry continues. Last December the German government banned the sale of most Cds on the bone, including free-improv, bebop, and polkas. With (as of this writing) a worldwide ban on FMP exports, and a severe decline in domestic sales, the price of German CDs has risen to its highest level in twenty years. Saxophonists tainted by association with the disease are quickly disposed of. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 23:55:41 EST Well if he played trombone, I'll claim him. =dg= In a message dated Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Joseph Zitt writes: << On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:41:55PM -0500, Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > Well darn it- somebody's dead, I'm sure. Never mind me. As of last report, Generalissimo Francisco Franco was still dead. (Oy, am I dating myself.) >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James Kirchmer" Subject: FYI: FRISELL in Seattle 1/27 & 1/28, etc. (MZC) Date: 26 Jan 2001 22:43:14 -0800 MZC: Marginal Zorn Content FYI: (please pardon the mostly regional nature of this concert-related post) Saturday 1/27: ======= BILL FRISELL TRIO, ROBIN HOLCOMB time:8:30 to 11:00 p.m. Sky Church at EMP www.emplive.com (Wayne Horvitz is an "Artist of the Month" there, btw...) Cost: $12 for EMP and KCTS Members. $15 for the public. Advance tickets are available in EMP's Main Lobby during regular operating hours, or at the EMP Store after 6:00 p.m. ======= Sunday 1/28: ======= TONY SCHERR BAND + with special guests + [+ unadvertised + ... this is a NET scoop!!!!] + Bill Frisell and Wayne Horvitz!!! + (and feat. drummer Kenny Wollesen* & bassist Keith Lowe of Zony Mash) time: 9:30pm to 11pm (*both of "Sex Mob") DANGEROUS BRAIN CLINIC - featuring Ron Weinstein of Crack Sabbath and Paul Kemmish of Rockin' Teenage Combo time: 11:30pm to ? The Rainbow - 722 NE 45th St. www.therainbow.cc Cost: $7, Day of Show tickets only. ======= Also: note that "Junk Genius" - feat. Kenny Wollesen, Ben Goldberg, Trevor Dunn, and John Schott - will play at the Sunset Tavern in Seattle on Sunday, Feb. 4th [$5] (located @ 5433 Ballard Ave NW) FYI - James Kirchmer - Seattle, WA, USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Avant-gutbucket trombone? Date: 26 Jan 2001 19:01:45 -0500 With all the Threadgill talk going on , I'm surprised no one has mentioned Craig Harris, a mainstay of the old Threadgill sextet. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Surf guitars Date: 27 Jan 2001 14:27:18 +0000 (WET) Hi! I was listening to Zevelum and wondering about the surf kind of ambient i felt with it, them moved along to Naked City - Radio and them... someone could give me tips on interesting surf rock discs? and by the way, does anyone knows from who is the enter piece of Quentin Tarantinos "pulp fiction"? enjoy your sound, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Avant-garde trombone - lite Date: 27 Jan 2001 07:57:17 -0700 How about Steve Bernstien's slide TRUMPET - some Sex Mob perhaps, or that other former Lounge Lizard, Curtis Folkes - he shines on Bill Frisell's Quartet and the Jazz Passengers' Plain Old Joe. Oh, And don't forget Curtis Hasselbring on the Passengers' Live in Spain, for starters... And slightly more difficult listening: Has anyone mentioned George Lewis' Voyager on Tzadik? Dan in Taos NM - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Tower Top 10 Date: 27 Jan 2001 10:42:34 -0500 I went into Tower Records the other day and saw that their "magazine" (or whatever it is) called Pulse had the top albums for 2000. If any thing I thought I would get a good laugh. What I found under jazz reissues was quite interesting 1) The Hot Fives and Sevens (of course) 2) Zorn's The Big Gundown (I'm surprised this was higher than the others) 4)Sun Ra's Greatest Hits 5) Monk's Complete Prestige Recordings 6) Ole Coltrane 7)Miles's Get Up With it 8) Ornette's The Complete Science Fiction Sessions John Cage was tops for Classical. He showed up again on the list along with Raymond Scott's Manhattan Research Inc. Anthon Braxton showed up on the new jazz albums. If any one is interested Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: Surf guitars Date: 27 Jan 2001 16:46:13 +0100 (CET) Dear Ricardo, The theme in Pulp Fiction's opening credits is "Misirlou" performed by Dick Dale & His Del-Tones. The Tornadoes are such a good surf music band. Also The Challengers are really enjoyable. I would say these two bands stand among the rest. I have the feeling that once you've heard one surf band, you heard all of them. Sorry about that surf-bands obsessed. Regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Surf guitars Date: 27 Jan 2001 10:45:52 -0500 The mighty Dick Dale! (Answering your Pulp Fiction question.) _Tribal Thunder_ is really good, and probably just about anything else. Live, not to be missed. Otherwise, look for Los Straightjackets, and the Raybeats! (One former Raybeat is in the Straightjackets.) The Raybeats were a great take on the genre. The lineup was from the No-Wave movement (ironic, no?), giving them their edge, but they had an authentic love for surf. Jody Harris, the lead guitarist, has done some stuff with Robert Quine and Zorn, as well. (There's an amusing story about the Quine collaboration when I have a chance to write it.) HTH, Maurice At 2:27 PM +0000 1/27/01, Ricardo Reis wrote: > Hi! > > I was listening to Zevelum and wondering about the surf kind of >ambient i felt with it, them moved along to Naked City - Radio and them... >someone could give me tips on interesting surf rock discs? and by the way, >does anyone knows from who is the enter piece of Quentin Tarantinos "pulp >fiction"? > -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Tower Top 10 Date: 27 Jan 2001 10:52:54 -0500 At 10:42 AM 1/27/01 -0500, &c. wrote: > >John Cage was tops for Classical. He showed up again on the list along with >Raymond Scott's Manhattan Research Inc. Anthon Braxton showed up on the new >jazz albums. The list is online at http://www.towerrecords.com. Amusingly, Arvo Part's Alina makes it on the top list too, but in the ambient/instrumental category. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. -- Satchel Paige - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Tower Top 10 Date: 27 Jan 2001 08:04:17 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of &c. > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:43 AM > I went into Tower Records the other day and saw that their "magazine" (or > whatever it is) called Pulse had the top albums for 2000. If any thing I > thought I would get a good laugh. For a freebie magazine from a corporate record branch it's way more "avant" than one expects. That's why I pick it up everytime I swing by a Tower, even if it's chock-full of ads. (Their e-mailing list is also quite good.) Both Alan Licht and Jim O'Rourke write articles for Pulse occasionally as well. Last year one column (not sure who wrote it) was devoted to "wire music" -- and not the band Wire, but music by Lucier, Panhuysen, etc. Later, Ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Surf guitars Date: 27 Jan 2001 08:31:24 -0800 I believe it's Dick Dale. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Surf guitars via Japanese soundtrack Date: 27 Jan 2001 08:39:08 -0800 Speaking of surf guitars I went to see a couple of great films by Kinji Fukasaku - one film 'Wolves, Pigs and People (Okami To Buta To Ningen) had a great surf guitar riff in its soundtrack. The film was made in 1964. In parts it actually sounded John Zornish in that it went from one style to another. On another note, I am interested in Enka with Surf guitars. Can anyone on this list recommend a recording? -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Malfatti Date: 27 Jan 2001 17:48:52 +0100 > Malfatti hasn't had any new releases in a few years, but that will be > remedied in the next month or two, with a double CD on Grob, with Burkhard > Stangl, Franz Hautzinger and Gunter Schneider, as well as a CD on my label, > with Thomas Lehn and Phil Durrant. These are tidings of great joy - much more underdocumented than Lewis. Is his string quartet out? And I'll chime in with our own Giancarlo Schiaffini and Sebi Tramontana..... Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 27 Jan 2001 18:17:37 +0100 > I feel fairly confident in saying that Malfatti's not dead either, since he > sent me an e-mail yesterday. > technology is doing wonders these days! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 27 Jan 2001 18:14:17 -0000 >On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Maurice Rickard wrote: > > > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing > > friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there >any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the kind of >thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live electronics, someone >stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm probably overlooking the >obvious, so any suggestions would be great. Nicolas Collins! He's a 'new music' composer and performer who pioneered the use of microcomputers in live performance, and created a hybrid trombone/electronic music instrument, billed as "trombone propelled electronics". He has worked with David Tudor, Guy Klucevsek, Elliott Sharp, Shelley Hirsch, Tom Cora, and of course(!) John Zorn. He has a number of recordings, availability uncertain, 2 of the best are '100 of the World's Most Beautiful Melodies' & 'It Was A Dark & Stormy Night'. More info at www.goddard.edu/wgdr/kalvos/collins.html Peace Out! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re[2]: threaddiscography Date: 27 Jan 2001 15:22:31 -0500 >on 1/26/01 6:36 PM, Brian Olewnick at olewnick@gis.net unthinkingly blurted: > get your tix > > in advance (if they're offering them for that show--I'm not sure) as > > Tonic's gradually becoming an annoyingly popular haunt. Yeah, I think it started when PJ Harvey "outed" Tonic in the NY Post......so if Rupert Murdoch shows up....lets roll him. ;-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: More trombonists Date: 27 Jan 2001 15:35:47 -0500 A whole passel of very fine sackbucketists have made their way through Willem Breuker's Kollektief, including: Willem van Manen (who also leads/led Contraband and Orkest de Volharding), Bernard Hunnekink, Garrett List (who played a bit with MEV), Chris Abelin, Gregg Moore (who also wields a wicked banjo) and Nico Nijholt (current member, accomplished crooner and occasional dog imitator). Brian Olewnick NP: AMM - Laminal, disc 2 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: riobec Date: 27 Jan 2001 13:16:52 -0500 hello -- i picked up cecil taylor/gunter sommer 'riobec' on fmp, and noticed it says on the spine 'cd2'. is this supposed to be a two-disc set? were the discs sold seperate or together? thanks kg np: well, riobec - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: riobec Date: 27 Jan 2001 17:42:51 -0500 on 1/27/01 1:16 PM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com at kurt_gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > > hello -- > > i picked up cecil taylor/gunter sommer 'riobec' on fmp, and noticed it says on > the spine 'cd2'. is this supposed to be a two-disc set? were the discs sold > seperate or together? Well, it was FMP CD 2 June '88 was big for Cecil-- Also a 10 (ten) CD box from FMP came out of this month-long extravaganza. If you can find one of those you'll be busy for a long time. Incredible documentation, huge book, amazing essays, lots of photos. Truly a thing of beauty. RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: You're No Good Date: 27 Jan 2001 18:05:42 -0500 Picked up Robi Droli's most recent issue from the Terry Riley archives yesterday, a 2-disc set called 'You're No Good'. Man, as someone who was into Riley in a serious way early on ('Rainbow' and 'In C') and thinks he got way too fluffy and newagey in later years (I know, there are those here who disagree), recordings like this from 1967-68 make me wanna go out and slap the guy. The title track (disc one, and only 20 minutes long, but...) is an astonishing loop job using an obscure soul song of the same name (not the one that goes "You're no good, baby you're no good", but something far more obscure). It's primitive in a sense; if you listen on headphones, one or the other channel has a habit of disappearing disconcertingly and some of the overlays may sound simplistic to jaded ears. On the other hand, there's a incredible freshness and imagination at work that comes bursting through. There's also a rawness that's tough to come by these days. Disc 2 is an hour long live performance of 'Poppy Nogood' (now I know where that title came from, anyway) that's very fine, though not too dissimilar from the one which appeared on the original Columbia 'A Rainbow...' It's a full price double disc, but well worth it, imho. As is often the case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my normally Riley-resistant hands. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: You're No Good Date: 27 Jan 2001 18:26:46 EST In a message dated 1/27/01 6:14:19 PM, olewnick@gis.net writes: << Picked up Robi Droli's most recent issue from the Terry Riley archives yesterday, a 2-disc set called 'You're No Good'. >> actually, this is on the Cortical Foundation label, although it's easy to be confused, considering their import-like prices. $35 for 80 minutes of music, huh? tough to not be irritated by that. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com (a consumer-friendly record label) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: CDs FOR SALE Date: 27 Jan 2001 16:26:31 -0700 (my apologies if you recieve this message twice) I'm trying to do a little post x-mas cleaning. The following are for sale on a first come first serve basis. Prices include US shipping: Marty Erlich's Dark Woods Ensemble "live wood" 2CD Music and Arts $14 Francois Bayle "la main vide" INA-GRM $9 Mats Gustafsson "The Education of Lars Jerry" Xeric $9 Mingus "Let My Children Hear Music" Columbia $8 Matthias Kaul "solo percussion" hat art $10 Naplam Death "inside the torn apart" earache $8 Iannis Xenakis "persepolis" Fractal $9 Ground Zero "Consume Red" ReR $9 David Behrman "wave train" plana-B $9 Bill Frisell "This Land" nonesuch $8 Johnathan Coleclough "MINYA" CDR strange circus $10 String Instruments of Vietnam (World Music Library) $7 Noto "kerne" plate lunch $9 For shippment to Canada add $1 to the first item and $.50 to each additional purchase. For shippment overseas add $3 to the first item and $1 to each additional purchase. Checks, money orders, and cash(at your own risk) accepted. Larger orders payed by check may be held until the check clears. My address is: Worner Box 633 The Colorado College Colorado Springs, CO 80946 Thanks, Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Malfatti Date: 27 Jan 2001 18:46:48 EST In a message dated 1/27/01 12:33:57 PM, fmartinelli@tin.it writes: << Is his string quartet out? >> yeah, it's on Edition Wandelweiser (www.timescraper.de), along with a 33 minute trombone solo piece. I think this is the best disc documenting his recent superminimal phase, at least until the Erstwhile one comes out next month. :) Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Surf guitars Date: 27 Jan 2001 19:27:01 EST Also The Lively Ones, the best of the first gen pure surf instro groups, I think. Bobby Fuller also did some killer surf back then, among other things, before he was, uh, killed. Likewise (except for the getting killed part) Southern Culture on the Skids and The Sadies more recently. And for surf (or as they say, "brine") with all the boundaries stretched waaaay out - virtually avant surf, if there's such a thing - there's the Mermen. Closer to Zorn, Marc Ribot plays some beautiful surfy stuff with Bar Kokhba. If you wanna go nuts with this stuff, head to Phil Dirt's Reverb Central website: http://www.spies.com/~reverb/central.html. > The mighty Dick Dale! (Answering your Pulp Fiction question.) > _Tribal Thunder_ is really good, and probably just about anything > else. Live, not to be missed. Although also one of the great bullshit artists of all time, in terms of stoking his own legend. > Otherwise, look for Los Straightjackets, and the Raybeats! Yeah! Los Straights blew me to smithereens one night at Acme Underground, and another time opening for Link Wray. I think their first CD ("the utterly fantastic and totally unbelievable sound of...") is their best. David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nonZorn/(ornette)drummer billy higgins ill Date: 28 Jan 2001 09:10:21 EST passing along some info via jim eigo... jimi@musicmagnetmedia.com yrs steve koenig ........................................ Monday, January 22, 2001 http://www.latimes.com -----> i have the text but think Url better here Billy Higgins Gets a Hand From Friends and Fans Jazz * The benefit gives musicians a chance to thank the drummer, who hasfought a long battle with liver ailments. Unfortunately, Billy Higgins is very sick again. Five years ago he received a liver transplant which was miraculous and has served him well. In recent months the new liver has showed signs of severe damage and Billy has been told that he will need another transplant. He has been in and out of the hospital since the end of October and has been unable to work. This has not only been very hard on his music loving spirit, but his ability to personal finances have deteriorated as well. Billy gives everything he has to his community and those around him who are in need. He will go in for a final evaluation on Feb. 5, before being put on the transplant waiting list.Those of us who love him through personal association or through his music are pooling together to try and help him cover his medical and living expenses. A benefit was held in Los Angeles to raise money to support his unbelievably high medical costs. Until another benefit can be organized, we are hoping to gather Billy's friends, supporters and fans together to help at this very crucial time. His contribution to music is far more then we could ever put into words, as most of you all know...please show him your support at this time of crisis. Send whatever amount you can. Make checks out to Larry Grenadier and Rebecca Martin, with a personal note to Billy and mail to: Larry Grenadier/Rebecca Martin PO Box 850 Marlboro, NY. 12542 We have been in close touch with Dorothy Darr and Charles Lloyd in Santa Barbara where Billy is being hospitalized. They are in close contact with him and give us updates. So you understand this process, to keep things simple for Billy, all donations will be consolidated and sent to Dorothy and Charles for Billy on a bi-weekly basis. A copy of each check will be included with your personal note so that the amount that you donate is known. If you have any questions, please call us at: 845/561-3608 Thank you so much. Larry Grenadier and Rebecca Martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content Date: 28 Jan 2001 11:51:21 -0500 I saw mention to Circle in the round in context of Miles's Fusion days. I looked at a performers list it included members of his group he used during Kind of Blue (Coltrane and Adderly) and hhis usual fusion boys (Zawinul, Hancock, Maupin, Shorter). Is this a comparison piece? The 1955 release date makes little sense because Bitches Brew, the alledged first fusion release, wasn't until '69. Is the information I'm getting wrong? Zach PS How long is Masada going to stick around? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 28 Jan 2001 15:39:12 EST --part1_ea.10a16f1b.27a5dd70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com writes: > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing > friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm > probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. > > Thanks! > -- > Maurice Rickard > http://mauricerickard.com/ > > I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were left out. Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter Christman. Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds ("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful playing. I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on it. Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years back. Cheers, John Threadgould np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet --part1_ea.10a16f1b.27a5dd70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com
    writes:
    I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing
    friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas.  Are there
    any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the
    kind of thing we discuss here?  Y'know, improv, maybe live
    electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something.   I'm
    probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great.

    Thanks!
    --
    Maurice Rickard
    http://mauricerickard.com/


    I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were
    left out.  Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter
    Christman.  Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers?  I have
    a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz  on Nine Winds
    ("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet).  That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful
    playing.  I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on
    it.  Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine
    Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years
    back.  Cheers,
          John Threadgould
    np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet
    --part1_ea.10a16f1b.27a5dd70_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 28 Jan 2001 12:45:47 -0800 Anyone mention John Rapson? http://members.aol.com/ninewinds/bios/rapson.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: What's he building in there ? Date: 28 Jan 2001 15:55:05 EST --part1_58.6787e1a.27a5e129_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> A lot of you dig Tom Waits. On Mule Variations there's this great > spoken > song about a man building something. Can anyone clear up this mystery for me > ? > > What's he building in there? We have a right to know ! > > Greetings, > > Rob@llaert.NU > > np: TW - What's he building in there<< > That's a great disturbing tune with most of the band making eerie noises in the background. He performed that on VH1's Storyteller series which I was fortunate enough to tape. Maybe they'll show it again. Cheers, John Threadgould --part1_58.6787e1a.27a5e129_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   >>
    A lot of you dig Tom Waits. On Mule Variations there's this great
    spoken
    song about a man building something. Can anyone clear up this mystery for me
    ?

    What's he building in there? We have a right to know !

    Greetings,

    Rob@llaert.NU

    np: TW - What's he building in there<<


          That's a great disturbing tune with most of the band making eerie
    noises in the background.  He performed that on VH1's Storyteller series
    which I was fortunate enough to tape.  Maybe they'll show it again.  Cheers,
          John Threadgould



    --part1_58.6787e1a.27a5e129_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sergio luque Subject: cecil taylor recommendations? Date: 28 Jan 2001 15:40:24 -0600 hi! i've had very little exposure to cecil taylor's music: a couple of videos and some cds. that's been enough for me to rank him at the very top of my musical preferences, the funny part is that i do not have any of his cds. since you are the people i trust, could you give me some recommendations? thanks in advance, ____________________________________________________________________________ sergio luque sergio@tomate.com.mx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: Re: What's he building in there ? Date: 29 Jan 2001 02:33:00 +0100 >>Fastian wrote: "That's a great disturbing tune." I know. But WHAT is he building in there ???????????? Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." >> A lot of you dig Tom Waits. On Mule Variations there's this great spoken song about a man building something. Can anyone clear up this mystery for me ? What's he building in there? We have a right to know ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: What's he building in there ? Date: 28 Jan 2001 21:01:47 EST In a message dated 1/28/01 8:32:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rob@llaert.NU writes: > I know. But WHAT is he building in there ???????????? > According to every interview and concert I've seen in the last two years, Tom says the song is about those "strange neighbors" in general. "What's he building in there?" Tom Waits himself IS the strange neighbor, and he's building the album Mule Variations. He figured all his neighbors were wondering who the hell he was and what the hell he was doing. There's a whole bunch of subtext stuff too -- the way we've all become paranoid of and isolated from each other because of television and computers, so we seek entertainment not from socializing with our neighbors but from gossiping and speculating about them. Yada yada yada. Noticing his neighbor always has an inordinate amount of garbage bags in front of his house, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: zorn Date: 28 Jan 2001 22:52:38 EST --part1_ae.10708764.27a64306_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of Zorn's essay in "Arcana: Musicians on Music"? thanks ben o. --part1_ae.10708764.27a64306_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would someone please enlighten me as to the meaning of Zorn's essay in
    "Arcana: Musicians on Music"?

    thanks

    ben o.     --part1_ae.10708764.27a64306_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nils Subject: Re: cecil taylor recommendations? Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:26:14 -0500 sergio luque wrote: > could you give me some recommendations? nefertiti, the beautiful one has come (revenant) -his trio with jimmy lyons and sunny murray, 11/62 recording live in copenhagen. sound quality is +/- but the performance is brilliant. historic concerts (soul note) -duo with max roach, 12/79 live at columbia u. very nice intro to cecil as it serves up both performers solo, then they go at it together. suprisingly high level of interaction. and of course cecil is still going at it, so there's a lot of material out there. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: cecil taylor recommendations? Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:06:47 -0800 (PST) --- sergio luque wrote: > since you are the people i trust, could you give me > some recommendations? I love: 1. WINGED SERPENTS (SLIDING QUADRANTS) by Cecil's "Orchestra of Two Continents," recorded in the earlier Eighties; a strange ride with undeniable Ellington Band parallel in the train-like chugging of one track (second?). Brilliant, essential taylor. 2. The Cecil Taylor Unit recordings on New World. CECIL TAYLOR UNIT and THREE PHASIS, I believe; maybe a third as well. Ronald Shannon Jackson drops the depth charge funk (if you will) all over Taylor's extended comps for a tremendous band; muscular, joyous, riotous stuff. 3. CONQUISTADOR and UNIT STRUCTURES (Blue Note). Mid-late Sixties Taylor; vintage work, excellent playing; the roots of the recordings on, say, New World. I personally prefer CONQUISTADOR. Maybe "more" essential, albeit less refined. 4. Any of the stuff on HatArt, which seems to be more and more rare. I wish they would reissue the two GARDEN solo discs before anything "terrible" happens. Oh well. ONE TOO MANY SALFTY SWIFT AND NOT GOODBYE might not be the place to start, but it's a doozy; two and a half hours of strong attack; I really like Ramsey Ameen's (?) violin playing on these live recordings, but I get the vibe that his contributions are generally dismissed as second-rate. Best, ---s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: You're No Good Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:13:00 -0800 (PST) --- Brian Olewnick wrote: > It's a full price double disc, but well worth it, > imho. As is often the > case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my > normally > Riley-resistant hands. I haven't heard enough Riley to know whether he's to my liking, but I'm not terribly fond of "Rainbow in Curved Air". The version of "Poppy Nogood" included with that album is pretty neat, I keep thinking of the beginning of Evan Parker's LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES, attentuated indefinitely. Does anyone care to recommend some Riley? BTW, hate to be terribly non-NYC-centrist-regional, but is anyone going to the series of Riley performances in Houston, TX, mid-Feb? If any listers care to get together for dinner/drinks somewhere in the Feb 14-16 time period, e.mail me privately. Best, -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: You're No Good Date: 28 Jan 2001 23:13:11 -0800 (PST) --- Brian Olewnick wrote: > It's a full price double disc, but well worth it, > imho. As is often the > case, thanks to Tom Pratt for forcing it into my > normally > Riley-resistant hands. I haven't heard enough Riley to know whether he's to my liking, but I'm not terribly fond of "Rainbow in Curved Air". The version of "Poppy Nogood" included with that album is pretty neat, I keep thinking of the beginning of Evan Parker's LIVE AT INSTANTS CHAVIRES, attentuated indefinitely. Does anyone care to recommend some Riley? BTW, hate to be terribly non-NYC-centrist-regional, but is anyone going to the series of Riley performances in Houston, TX, mid-Feb? If any listers care to get together for dinner/drinks somewhere in the Feb 14-16 time period, e.mail me privately. Best, -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: GREAT BARCELONA CONCERT Date: 29 Jan 2001 09:31:13 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! After a last moment venue change caused by trouble with the usual concert room, Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins and Jim Black performed last Friday 26 an over 2-hour concert at the Teatre Maldá, in Barcelona's Barri Gòtic -Gothic Quarter-, an old Theatre from the XVIII century -approximately. The room was really tiny and quickly packed with approximately 40/50 people eager of good music in the city. The show was divided into two parts. The first one was devoted to presenting the new CD of the trio HatOlogy -"The Secret Museum". They opened with "The Way to Get There" and continued with past pieces from "Jazz Trash" and "Five Other Pieces (+2)". They also covered an Eugene Chadbourne's tune from "Beauty and The Bloodsucker". They took 15 minutes off and we seized the opportunity to have a couple of cigarettes in a row -Eskelin expressly asked not to smoke in the room. The second part began, if my memory's not that bad, with their cover of Coltrane's "India". That's where everyone of us began to get astonished by Black's playing. Eskelin tried with 3 new yet untitled pieces. They were increasingly complicated and proved that we all must look forward to further works by this group. Another cover followed, this time Mahavishnu Orchestra's "The Dance of Maya", which was simply superb. As a conclusion in comparison to their former visit to Spain I would say that the trio was much more balanced. In their previous performance I had the impression that every movement was leaning on Black and partly on Eskelin. Last Friday I sensed Parkins much more integrated and fluid. There was less space for Black to impress but everyone played its role perfectly. Luckily tomorrow, Tuesday 30, we'll enjoy Ribot's solo. I don't know exactly what to expect and that's what I like the most. Greetings, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW Date: 29 Jan 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET) Hi! I've been trying to send the interview for the whole weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine? Have there been any problems with the general list address? Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a text inside a message? Please let me know. If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message entitled "ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION". Regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:05:40 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- > I saw mention to Circle in the round in context of Miles's Fusion days. I "circle' is a kind of compiltion of unreleased tunes. The disc (actually it's a double CD) itself was released in the late seventies (but i may be wrong here). It includes tunes for his first quintet, seciond quintet (an incredible piece called 'side car', full - about 30 mins - version of which was released on Quintet box set few years ago), and some 'in a silent way' - BB period stuff. The 'fusion' stuff, actually a bit more in the vein of 'silent way' is very interesting. But one could also wait for the relesae of the interim period (parts of 'filles the kilimanjaro', second side of 'water babies', 'in a silent way') Miles box (does anybody knows something about its relase date?). This is IMHO the most interesting moment in his playing. BTW i recently bought an excellent Miles bootleg (forgot th title, on Jazz Door) from 1969, with DeJohnette, Corea, Holland, and Shorter. Very interesting: the band plays the bb tunes already along with a Monk tune. Also got a 2CD boot called 'another bothes brew'. Those are 2 concerts from Belgrade.The first shortly after DeJohnette had left the band, but before Foster has replaced arrived - just before the 'live evil' live material. I forgot the name of the drummer (sorry, i do not have my cds at the place where i write emails), but if anyone's interested, i'll post the info. It features Mtume and Alias on percussion, Henderson om bass, Jarret, and Bartz on sax. Very good. The second one is of his 'guitar' band of Foster, Mtume, Lucas, Cosey, Henderson, and Liebman, and is as always excellent. > date makes little sense because Bitches Brew, the alledged first fusion > release, wasn't until '69. Is the information I'm getting wrong? Actually, the first band considered as fusion was Tony Williams Lifetime. Their first disc was released in '67 or '68, and the original lineuconsisted of TW, John McLaughlin, and Larry Young on drums. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.A.Bueno" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 29 Jan 2001 08:22:19 -0300 --------------070AD0DA6FF55C685984D981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anybody mention Peter Zummo or David Taylor ? J.A. Fastian@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com > writes: > >> I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing >> friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there >> any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the >> kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live >> electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm >> probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Maurice Rickard >> http://mauricerickard.com/ >> > > > I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were > left out. Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter > Christman. Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers? I have > a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz on Nine Winds > ("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet). That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful > playing. I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on > it. Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine > Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years > back. Cheers, > John Threadgould > np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet --------------070AD0DA6FF55C685984D981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did  anybody mention Peter Zummo or  David Taylor ?

    J.A.

    Fastian@aol.com wrote:

    In a message dated 1/26/01 11:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, maurice@mac.com
    writes:
    I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing
    friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas.  Are there
    any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the
    kind of thing we discuss here?  Y'know, improv, maybe live
    electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something.   I'm
    probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great.

    Thanks!
    --
    Maurice Rickard
    http://mauricerickard.com/
     


    I think I've gone through all the suggestions and here are a few I think were
    left out.  Hans Anliker, Frank Lacy, Glenn Ferris,Steve Swell,Gunter
    Christman.  Does anyone know anything about trombonist Joey Sellers?  I have
    a cd he made with Tony Malaby, Formanek, and Billy Mintz  on Nine Winds
    ("Cosas"-Malaby/Sellars 4tet).  That has some memorable tunes and thoughtful
    playing.  I assume he is from LA but haven't seen anything else with him on
    it.  Malaby also made an excellent cd with trumpeter Dave Scott on Nine
    Winds, a band I remember putting on a great show at Beanbenders a few years
    back.  Cheers,
          John Threadgould
    np: Cosas-Malaby/Sellers 4tet

    --------------070AD0DA6FF55C685984D981-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: What's he building in there ? Date: 29 Jan 2001 11:36:52 +0000 (WET) After thouroughly checking the place... and the lyrics... and a couple of neighbors... i've reach the conclusion that He... is building a box with his wife inside (He's pounding nails into a hardwood floor... and I swear to god I heard someone moaning low... and "I heard he has an ex-wife in some place called Mayors Income, Tennessee"). she is heavly drug'd ("But there's also enouth formaldehyde to choke a horse... "). this because in his time in Indonesia ("he used to have a consulting business in Indonesia..." ) he got into trouble with Opium traders... and his wife found out... and she didn't liked it... and... oh well, do you know that story of E.A.Poe about a fella that kills an old man and hiddens him under the floor? greetings, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: ZORN INTERVIEW Date: 29 Jan 2001 14:24:19 +0100 (CET) --- efrén del valle escribió: > Fecha: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:07:57 +0100 (CET) > De: efrén del valle > Asunto: ZORN INTERVIEW > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > Hi! > > I've been trying to send the interview for the whole > weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine? > Have > there been any problems with the general list > address? > > Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a > text inside a message? Please let me know. > If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some > friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if > suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message > entitled > "ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION". > > Regards, > Efrén del Valle > > _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de > correo con > Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Sydney (Australia) bassists/musicians/vague Zorn relation... Date: 30 Jan 2001 00:24:51 +1100 Apologies for the location-specific email... Firstly, are there any list members from Sydney who play bass (electric or acoustic) and would like to play interesting music and make lots of money? Same question for musicians in general, minus the lots of money part : ) And just to get something Zorn-related in here, the What Is Music? festival is coming up, February 18th-23rd in Sydney and February 25th-March 7th in Melbourne. Artists include list-related stuff like Tony Buck, Makigami Koichi, Jon Rose, and of course festival-runners Oren Ambarchi and Robbie Avenaim. Plus there's some stuff that has nothing to do with this list but they just have funny names, like the Poo Touchers... So there you go. Julian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BlackBook78@aol.com Subject: Patty Waters Date: 29 Jan 2001 08:27:28 EST Anyone have any Patty Waters recs, ideas on where to find the albums besides Ebay, thoughts? Im not having much luck finding information about her right now, and any suggestions would be appreiated. Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: surfs up (surf guitar) Date: 29 Jan 2001 08:52:39 -0500 Surf noir w/ the Ray Corvair Trio (www.cosmicrecords.com) - excellent band = from Cambridge/Boston area. =20 Also hailing from New England, the Cadillac Hitmen (from Portsmouth, NH = area) and the Fathoms (probably most traditional of the three...) Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: re: Circle in the Round and Some Zorn content Date: 29 Jan 2001 07:57:33 -0600 (CST) &c. wrote: "I saw mention to Circle in the round in context of Miles's Fusion days. I looked at a performers list it included members of his group he used during Kind of Blue (Coltrane and Adderly) and hhis usual fusion boys (Zawinul, Hancock, Maupin, Shorter). Is this a comparison piece? " 'Circle in the round' is a double album and a song. the song is from 1967, and features: Miles Davis (tpt, chimes); Wayne Shorter (ts); Herbie Hancock (celeste); Joe Beck (g); Ron Carter (b); Tony Williams (d). It's been re-released on the complete quintet box set, along with a number of other tunes that also appeard on circle in the round (the album). The rest of the album contains tracks from various periods/line-ups spanning 1955-1970. i suspect that the material with coltrane appears on the complete coltrane / miles box, but am not certain. specific information is here: http://206.161.132.1/database/md_disco.asp William W. Schonbein Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology Program Department of Philosophy Washington University St. Louis, MO, USA 63130-4899 http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ whit@twinearth.wustl.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 29 Jan 2001 16:00:08 +0100 > > I'm trying to think of a birthday present for a trombone-playing > > friend of mine, and I'm not coming up with any good ideas. Are there > > any trombonists out there doing stuff that, well, fits in with the > > kind of thing we discuss here? Y'know, improv, maybe live > > electronics, someone stretching the vocabulary or something. I'm > > probably overlooking the obvious, so any suggestions would be great. I think nobody has mentioned J.A. Deane so far. He is connecting trombone and electronics in a unique way. He´s on COBRA (Hat Art) and there are lots of recordings with Butch Morris and at least one of his own: NOMAD. I prefer the trio with Morris and Le Quan Ninh BURNING CLOUD on FMP. I haven´t heard so much about "Dino" the last 5-7 years but I think he´s still active somewhere in the southern USA. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 29 Jan 2001 10:29:31 -0500 Wow. Man. There _are_ a lot of avant-garde trombonists! I'm going to have to dig into the list. Thanks a million, everyone, once again. -Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Fwd: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 29 Jan 2001 09:29:36 -0600 >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:16:24 EST >From: Dgasque@aol.com >Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? >To: >X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP), Bauer, and Lewis. > >-- >=dg= Not certain where it came from, but as far as I know R. Rudd is alive and currently more active than for years before. Can anyone validate the (RIP) behind his name above? Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Odp: Circle in the Round Date: 29 Jan 2001 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Be warned though that among the fusion material is a 1970 Davis version of David Crosby's CSN&Y's tune "Gunevere" complete with sitar. Ken Waxman --- Marcin Gokieli wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > "circle' is a kind of compiltion of unreleased > tunes. The disc (actually > it's a double CD) itself was released in the late > seventies (but i may be > wrong here). It includes tunes for his first > quintet, seciond quintet (an > incredible piece called 'side car', full - about 30 > mins - version of which > was released on Quintet box set few years ago), and > some 'in a silent way' - > BB period stuff. The 'fusion' stuff, actually a bit > more in the vein of > 'silent way' is very interesting. But one could also > wait for the relesae of _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Patty Waters Date: 29 Jan 2001 11:09:02 -0500 (EST) According to the latest Cadence, North Country still has the ESP Disk College Tour available. I know she did a standard-oriented "comeback" CD for Jazz Focus, I think, a few years ago, (check that company's Web site) and check around the used section of big city CD stores, her first ESP Disc (with "Black is he Color..") is fitfully available. Ken Waxman --- BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: > Anyone have any Patty Waters recs, ideas on where to > find the albums besides Ebay, thoughts? Im not > having much luck finding information about her right > now, and any suggestions would be appreiated. > > Thanks > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW AT LAST Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:14:47 +0100 (CET) Dear friends, I finally started sending the interview off list. I thought that the list accepted attached files but I was wrong. The interview is too long to be sent as a regular message. I'm thinking of sending it in several parts to the list with questions numbered for you to recompose it once it is complete. Sounds good? However I'll start sending the first part right now. I'm going crazy with my exams, I swear. Please be patient;-) Complains, suggestions and language corrections are more than welcome. If someone finds a more suitable way to solve this, please advise. Regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION (part I) Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:16:51 +0100 (CET) An Interview with John Zorn From Factory # 4 (1994) Interview by: Antonio Murga Translation by: Efrén del Valle (obviously non-authorised) It is obvious that cinema is closely related to your artistic career. What’s your opinion on present-day’s film scene? Now things are very different from what they used to be. Hollywood is a bunch of shit, it’s like it is collapsing in its own pomposity. Independent cinema is an area where interesting things can happen. There’s quality cinema in Hong Kong, Inner China, Japan, Vietnam or Korea, and there are still some interesting things left in American independent cinema. The film scene is not that bad, but good films are rarely sold, never chosen by distributors or not exhibited as they should. Majority audiences may think that this scene isn’t worthy when in actuality, this kind of cinema is pretty underground. Besides the music contained in “Filmworks 1986-1990”, have you lately composed any further soundtracks? I recently finished two scores: a sort of industrial music for a 20’ S/M video; and for a young Taiwan filmmaker, the score for a documentary about a Hollywood hotel inhabited by old people that formerly worked and were happy and now are unemployed and poor after the decline of film industry. I made this score with only two saxophones and Marc Ribot’s collaboration on guitar. Two years ago I composed a soundtrack for Walter Hill’s “Trespass” with two rap-stars like Ice Cube and Ice-T but it was rejected. After a previous showing, the film didn’t have a positive reception and they thought it was my music’s fault, so it was withdrawn. I want to go on working on film music. “Filmworks II” will be released this year and next year “Filmworks III” will come out too. I’m very busy with cinema, it’s fantastic. In your extensive discography we can find many tributes to musicians –and other artists, of this century. Why this inclination for paying tributes? Most of my work is the results of a search, of being aware of things, of reading, watching movies, listening to music. It is a basic aspect of my creative life; listening, seeing and studying other musical forms. That’s why it’s very important for me to find someone who’s been ignored, who doesn’t enjoy the fame or success that deserves. Very honest musicians who are working or worked very hard throughout their lives and were eventually ignored. I try to pay homage to them because with my contribution I can have more people realize they exist, be aware of their worth and listen to it. I’ve got many heroes, people I admire. That’s why I pay tributes. One of the most recent was “Elegy” for Jean Genet. After that, with Naked City, I dedicated several works to Jack Smith and Harry Smith, two New York underground filmmakers that passed away recently and whose work is very important for me. However, my tributes are not the kind of thing you’d do naturally. They require learning and research. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION (part II) Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:18:11 +0100 (CET) Since 1992 you have been producing a good number of works for different artists through the Japanese label Avant. Tell us a bit about these productions and those “chosen ones”. Avant has provided the opportunity to present musicians with unusual projects that couldn’t be sold to multinationals. Now they can carry on with their projects and release them. Among these “stubborn” people there are not only close friends but also artists from other scenes, such as Peter Garland, whose work I find really interesting and very different from mine; or other people I didn’t know and now I respect. It’s the same as with tributes, giving the opportunity to those artists who aren’t very well know so they can get into the studio and record a remarkable product so as to be listened to, because I was given that opportunity when I was younger. For the Marconi Project or “Spillane” someone, simply come-out of nothingness, gave me some money and the chance to go somewhere, so I’m doing the same as those who let me grow. You’ve been living and working a lot in Japan for the last years. What can you say about the independent music scene in that country? In Japan there’s amazing music being made, and I’ve been personally very interested in the hardcore scene for quite a while. I’ve helped the Boredoms and the Ruins instrumentally, producing their records for them to be known outside Japan. I’ve played and traveled with them and now it seems they’re doing very well. There are other scenes in Japan, such as that of contemporary or more serious music, people like Fuji Eda, who works with computers. I guess there are still interesting things going on in Japanese hardcore scene, now more “noise”. As to my stay in Japan, I quit my apartment there and left. I won’t be back in a long time. I’m too busy in New York. “Kristallnacht” is dramatic music showing the evolution of Jewish people. How political is this work? It’s got to do with Jewish politics because it shows that evolution. One of “Kristallnacht” parts is “Barzel (Iron Fist)”, brief but really hard, and it describes the dangers in any kind of religious orthodox fundamentalism that becomes exclusive of a group of people that only believe in themselves. Judaism also implies that danger. There have been movements like the Jewish Defence League and other radical groups. It’s the dichotomy of seeing how religion, which is supposed to be based on love, becomes hate, and these fundamentalist movements take this kind of “political turn”. So “Kristallnacht” touches a bit upon politics, although this work wasn’t inspired by that, but by the most recent life of a people. I’m not interested in politics, but in people, in music and in knowing a little more about human feelings. Everybody recalls Zorn’s name when talking about Naked City. What’s the latest news on the superband? That Naked City won’t continue, but Pain Killer will do. Some of Naked City’s live recordings will be released shortly but I’m not composing for Naked City anymore. I’m composing for Masada. I’m focused on my orchestral pieces and other major projects so I spend most of my time with them. If I’m not creating for Naked City there’s no reason to play. Naked City is not a repertoire band where someone says “ hey, let’s go have a blast”. With Naked City I hardly played sax, it was conceived for me to compose. I spent more time conducting the band than playing sax. When it came to the solo sax, I gave it to Wayne Horvitz or Fred Frith just to keep them interested in the band. If we can learn something creating the music then we can go and play it for an audience. I don’t like regurgitating the same music over and over again, so as long as I’m not composing for Naked City, Naked City won’t play again. But Pain Killer will do. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: h e a t h e r Subject: Patty Waters Date: 29 Jan 2001 10:17:34 -0800 yes, she did a duet CD with pianist Jessica Williams in 1996 - Love Songs. beautiful release of twelve standards. highly recommended. http://www.jazzfocus.com/ heather > According to the latest Cadence, North Country still > has the ESP Disk College Tour available. I know she > did a standard-oriented "comeback" CD for Jazz Focus, > I think, a few years ago, (check that company's Web > site) and check around the used section of big city CD > stores, her first ESP Disc (with "Black is he > Color..") is fitfully available. > > Ken Waxman > > > --- BlackBook78@aol.com wrote: >> Anyone have any Patty Waters recs, ideas on where to >> find the albums besides Ebay, thoughts? Im not >> having much luck finding information about her right >> now, and any suggestions would be appreiated. >> >> Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION (part III) Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:19:28 +0100 (CET) And with regards to your new band Masada, when, why and how was it born? Two years ago I decided to stop playing sax at all and just decided to focus on composition, because I felt that pieces like “Elegy” or “Kristallnacht” were the best things I had done and they were the reasons why I was on this planet. So I thought that if I gave all my other activities up and concentrated on composition, more pieces would come up, so I stopped playing. Six months later, I felt so bored and lonely that I realized I only saw my friends when I had to rehearse and that those pieces need years to be created. So what am I doing in the meantime? Other things like playing, producing, traveling, collaborating with other artists and writing. I need all of that. Masada was born because I decided to play sax again. I created the group just to play and it’s a way to spread traditional Jewish music, bringing into Hebrew classical folklore, Miles Davis’-like jazz and Ornette Coleman’s harmolodics, mixing it all, finding new paths in Jewish music. I guess you have a lot of upcoming projects in mind for the next months. I’ve got many projects. 34 works ready for release, so many that I’ve created the Arcana label; I’m also working on 20 other projects, 10 of which are being released this year. I’m producing 2 records in New York: one by the guitar player and multiinstrumentalist Keiji Haino, and another by the also-Japanese Ruins. Later on I’m going to Israel to present an acoustic version of Masada for trumpet, sax, double-bass and drums. I’m working and learning a lot with Masada. I’ve written over 100 pieces for this group, with which I'll be on an European tour in November. I’ve also begun working on two major works with a Jewish theme, one of them Sephardic, and the other Yiddish, of 30’ in length each. I’m also working on a piano concert, commissioned by the Cologne Philarmonic Orchestra. Another project is composing a trio for violin, piano and percussion, like music for children. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW TRANS. (part II A) Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:25:18 +0100 (CET) Since 1992 you have been producing a good number of works for different artists through the Japanese label Avant. Tell us a bit about these productions and those “chosen ones”. Avant has provided the opportunity to present musicians with unusual projects that couldn’t be sold to multinationals. Now they can carry on with their projects and release them. Among these “stubborn” people there are not only close friends but also artists from other scenes, such as Peter Garland, whose work I find really interesting and very different from mine; or other people I didn’t know and now I respect. It’s the same as with tributes, giving the opportunity to those artists who aren’t very well know so they can get into the studio and record a remarkable product so as to be listened to, because I was given that opportunity when I was younger. For the Marconi Project or “Spillane” someone, simply come-out of nothingness, gave me some money and the chance to go somewhere, so I’m doing the same as those who let me grow. You’ve been living and working a lot in Japan for the last years. What can you say about the independent music scene in that country? In Japan there’s amazing music being made, and I’ve been personally very interested in the hardcore scene for quite a while. I’ve helped the Boredoms and the Ruins instrumentally, producing their records for them to be known outside Japan. I’ve played and traveled with them and now it seems they’re doing very well. There are other scenes in Japan, such as that of contemporary or more serious music, people like Fuji Eda, who works with computers. I guess there are still interesting things going on in Japanese hardcore scene, now more “noise”. As to my stay in Japan, I quit my apartment there and left. I won’t be back in a long time. I’m too busy in New York. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW TRANS. (part II B) Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:26:28 +0100 (CET) “Kristallnacht” is dramatic music showing the evolution of Jewish people. How political is this work? It’s got to do with Jewish politics because it shows that evolution. One of “Kristallnacht” parts is “Barzel (Iron Fist)”, brief but really hard, and it describes the dangers in any kind of religious orthodox fundamentalism that becomes exclusive of a group of people that only believe in themselves. Judaism also implies that danger. There have been movements like the Jewish Defence League and other radical groups. It’s the dichotomy of seeing how religion, which is supposed to be based on love, becomes hate, and these fundamentalist movements take this kind of “political turn”. So “Kristallnacht” touches a bit upon politics, although this work wasn’t inspired by that, but by the most recent life of a people. I’m not interested in politics, but in people, in music and in knowing a little more about human feelings. Everybody recalls Zorn’s name when talking about Naked City. What’s the latest news on the superband? That Naked City won’t continue, but Pain Killer will do. Some of Naked City’s live recordings will be released shortly but I’m not composing for Naked City anymore. I’m composing for Masada. I’m focused on my orchestral pieces and other major projects so I spend most of my time with them. If I’m not creating for Naked City there’s no reason to play. Naked City is not a repertoire band where someone says “ hey, let’s go have a blast”. With Naked City I hardly played sax, it was conceived for me to compose. I spent more time conducting the band than playing sax. When it came to the solo sax, I gave it to Wayne Horvitz or Fred Frith just to keep them interested in the band. If we can learn something creating the music then we can go and play it for an audience. I don’t like regurgitating the same music over and over again, so as long as I’m not composing for Naked City, Naked City won’t play again. But Pain Killer will do. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: ZORN INTERVIEW Date: 29 Jan 2001 08:33:36 -0800 on 1/29/01 1:07 AM, efr=E9n del valle at efrendv@yahoo.es wrote: > Hi! >=20 > I've been trying to send the interview for the whole > weekend. Are you sure that attachments are fine? Have > there been any problems with the general list address? >=20 > Maybe it will be better if I send the interview as a > text inside a message? Please let me know. > If that is not fine, maybe I could send it from some > friends' e-mail address so don't be surprised if > suddenly my name doesn't appear in a message entitled > "ZORN INTERVIEW TRANSLATION". >=20 > Regards, I can't speak for the whole list, but over the weekend my mailbox got cluttered and couldn't go through. It may have been your mail - I don't know. But I think you should put it in the message rather than attachment. And perhaps you should also do it in parts. ciao, --=20 Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: AT LAST! Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:47:50 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! After continued efforts, there you have the complete interview. There are actually three parts. I thought that second was too big so I divided it into two more unnecessarily. Forget about Interview part II A & B. A whole part II has come through at last. Bye, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tower Top 10 Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:06:21 -0500 Benito Vergara wrote: > Alan Licht and Jim O'Rourke write articles for Pulse occasionally as well. > Last year one column (not sure who wrote it) was devoted to "wire music" -- > and not the band Wire, but music by Lucier, Panhuysen, etc. The classical section of Pulse! has been consistently interesting under the editorship of Damon Krukowski (Damon & Naomi), featuring lots of new music, ancient music and rarities. However, it's about to be killed. The classical content MAY be revived as a quarterly stand-alone magazine some time in the future. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Anthony Braxton & Scott Rosenberg, Composition No. 168, 'Compositions/Improvisations 2000' (Barely Auditable) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Tower Top 10 Date: 29 Jan 2001 09:20:32 -0800 On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:06:21 -0500 Steve Smith wrote: > > Benito Vergara wrote: > > > Alan Licht and Jim O'Rourke write articles for Pulse occasionally as well. > > Last year one column (not sure who wrote it) was devoted to "wire music" -- > > and not the band Wire, but music by Lucier, Panhuysen, etc. > > The classical section of Pulse! has been consistently interesting under the > editorship of Damon Krukowski (Damon & Naomi), featuring lots of new music, > ancient music and rarities. However, it's about to be killed. The classical > future. What is about to be killed? Classical at Tower? Pulse!? The classical section in Pulse!? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Tower Top 10 Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:22:48 -0500 >ancient music and rarities. However, it's about to be killed. The >classical content MAY be revived as a quarterly stand-alone Their classical content has been shrinking since the days when it actually was a separate magazine (& probably not coincidentally was at its editorial peak). I'm only in Tower a couple of times a year but in my town at least the classical section keeps shrinking. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:35:30 EST --part1_21.6ba5188.27a703e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/01 10:41:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Moudry@uab.edu writes: > >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:16:24 EST > >From: Dgasque@aol.com > >Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone? > >To: > >X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > > >As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP), Bauer, and Lewis. > > > >-- > >=dg= > > > Not certain where it came from, but as far as I know R. Rudd is alive and > currently more active than for years before. Can anyone validate the (RIP) > behind his name above? > > It was me, of course- and I've received my deserved lashings. I'll blame the mistake on flashbacks from some pill I took back in the mid-70's. Yeah, that's it. If this wasn't bad enough, somebody told me off-list that I'd tried to kill him off before, too... -- =dg= --part1_21.6ba5188.27a703e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/01 10:41:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Moudry@uab.edu
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    >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:16:24 EST
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    >Subject: Re: Avant-garde trombone?
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    >As a trombonist, I heartily endorse Rudd (RIP), Bauer, and Lewis.
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    Not certain where it came from, but as far as I know R. Rudd is alive and
    currently more active than for years before. Can anyone validate the (RIP)
    behind his name above?





    It was me, of course- and I've received my deserved lashings.  I'll blame the
    mistake on flashbacks from some pill I took back in the mid-70's.  Yeah,
    that's it.  If this wasn't bad enough, somebody told me off-list that I'd
    tried to kill him off before, too...


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    =dg=     --part1_21.6ba5188.27a703e2_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tower Top 10 Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:58:23 -0500 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > What is about to be killed? Classical at Tower? Pulse!? The classical section > in Pulse!? Just the classical section of Pulse magazine. In many places the classical section of Tower Records is shrinking a bit (ain't the case in NYC thankfully) but it's not in real danger, deepest catalog aside. As was noted, Classical Pulse shrank a great deal from its debut as a stand-alone mag (edited by Bob Levine) to its reincorporation into the regular Pulse magazine. Purists cried at the loss of the separate mag; idealists were happy to have classical back amidst the mainstream. Levine left, Krukowski replaced him. Now the classical coverage is to be axed altogether (this on the word of a higly-placed classical PR person who I trust). But it MAY be revived later as a quarterly stand-alone magazine. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - horns honking on 36th Ave. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Re: 10 CD Cecil/Oxley/Parker box on FMR Date: 29 Jan 2001 14:14:39 -0600 Rick Lopez sed: > >June '88 was big for Cecil-- Also a 10 (ten) CD box from FMP came out of >this month-long extravaganza. If you can find one of those you'll be busy >for a long time. Incredible documentation, huge book, amazing essays, lots >of photos. Truly a thing of beauty. > >RL Rick (or anyone else), Has FMR actually issued their 10 cd box of the Cecil/Oxley/Parker trio's stand @ Ronnie Scott's? I've been saving pennies to place an advanced order for it and just checked Avant/FMR's Web site, only to find no new information on the box (latest entry seems to be late 1999). Since the announcement states plainly "only available direct via the Internet" I assume that it (the box) has yet to be shipped. Any update would be appreciated (especially if I have to find lots of pennies quickly...). Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Terry Riley Date: 29 Jan 2001 14:10:01 -0700 my advice FWIW: IN C 25th aniversary on ner albion. In C on CBS is historically worthwhile other than that, organ of corti 1,2,4 gift, reed streams and poppy nogood respectively just my $.02 Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: eskelin trio Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:32:59 -0400 Hey -nice review of the live Ellery Eskelin trio show - has anyone heard the new album "the Secret Museum" I have all the other ones of this trio (still think that Kulak 29 & 30 is the best) and wonder what anyone thinks of the new one. thanks, wudz. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: 10 CD Cecil/Oxley/Parker box on FMR Date: 29 Jan 2001 18:13:45 -0500 on 1/29/01 3:14 PM, Moudry at Moudry@uab.edu unthinkingly blurted: > Rick Lopez sed: > >> >> June '88 was big for Cecil-- Also a 10 (ten) CD box from FMP came out > > Has FMR actually issued their 10 cd box of the Cecil/Oxley/Parker trio's > stand @ Ronnie Scott's? I've written them three times in the past two months for this. NO reply. I will call them sometime SOON, and I'll keep you posted. gRrrrrrrrrrrr ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gareb20@aol.com Subject: hello everybody Date: 29 Jan 2001 21:45:02 EST hello everybody: I'm new on the list, I just wanted to introduce myself. I've been listening to Zorn for about 3-4 years now, started out with Naked City, but now love all of his Masada stuff. I'm right now studying in Philly, going to be a teacher next year---scary! Just one question, like I said i'm really into Masada. I was just wondering if there are any other quartets out there that are just as good as Masada. Any new and coming artists and quartets recommendations would be appreciated...how's dave douglas' quartet? Thanks for the info. Lou - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gareb20@aol.com Subject: quartet recommendations Date: 29 Jan 2001 22:36:29 EST hello everybody: I'm new on the list, I just wanted to introduce myself. I've been listening to Zorn for about 3-4 years now, started out with Naked City, but now love all of his Masada stuff. I'm right now studying in Philly, going to be a teacher next year---scary! Just one question, like I said i'm really into Masada. I was just wondering if there are any other quartets out there that are just as good as Masada. Any new and coming artists and quartets recommendations would be appreciated...how's dave douglas' quartet? Thanks for the info. Lou - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: once upon a time in america Date: 29 Jan 2001 19:36:36 -0800 (PST) i recently got a copy of this- remastered w/ extra tracks etc on BMG. on the 5th track - Amapola at around the 45 sec mark there is what sounds like a digital glitch. the surface of my cd is pristine w.no scratches. just wondering whether mine is a faulty copy or maybe there was a fault in the remastering. anyone w/ the original issue minus extra tracks care to check their copy too? thanks. > > regaRDS, > > aaron __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: NYC Company-Bailey, Zorn, Fell, etc. Date: 29 Jan 2001 23:02:27 EST there's a Company event April 19-21 at Tonic involving the following musicians: Derek Bailey guitar Joey Baron drums/percussion Rhodri Davies harp Simon Fell bass Min Xiao-Fen pipa Will Gaines tap dance Annie Gosfield sampling etc Mark Wastell cello John Zorn sax and possibly one or two others. everyone plays each night in combinations determined immediately before the concerts. on April 17, the shows will be Bailey/Gaines at 8, and IST (Fell/Davies/Wastell) at 10. I'm pretty sure that that will be Simon Fell's US debut. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 16:44:04 +1100 > Just one question, like I said i'm really into Masada. I was just wondering > if there are any other quartets out there that are just as good as Masada. > Any new and coming artists and quartets recommendations would be > appreciated...how's dave douglas' quartet? Dave Douglas' quartet is very good from the bits I've heard, but I own none of their cds (I've concentrated more on getting the Tiny Bell cds, _highly_ recommended). One of the most exciting quartets I've heard in a while (though a different kind of lineup) is the Peter Epstein quartet, with Jamie Saft on piano/organ/accordion, Chris Dahlgren on bass and Jim Black on drums. Very free but at the same time very melodic and quite minimal... They've got two releases, The Invisible and Staring At The Sun. Chris Speed's 'Yeah No' is another trumpet/sax quartet, with Cuong Vu, Skuli Sverrison and Jim Black. Quite interesting stuff... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: important insight into satchmo Date: 29 Jan 2001 16:24:37 -0800 Gary Giddy: Louis changed jazz because he was the only cat going Do-da-dep-do-wah-be-be, while everyone else was doing Do-de-dap-dit-dit-dee. Stanley: And that was very profound. Marsalis: Like gumbo. Stanley: Uh-huh. Matt Glaser: I always have this fantasy that when Louis performed in Belgium, Heisenberg was in the audience and he was blown away and that's where he got the idea for his Uncertainty Principle. Marsalis: Because the Uncertainty Principle, applied to jazz, means you never know if a cat is going to go Dap-da-de-do-ba-ta-bah or Dap-da-de-do-bip-de-beep. Wynton: Louis was the first one to realize that. Stanley: And that can be very profound. Stanley: I thought it was a box of chocolates... Announcer: The Savoy Ballroom brought people of all races colors and political persuasions together to get sweaty as Europe moved closer and closer to the brink of World War II. Savoy Dancer: We didn't care what color you were at the Savoy. We only cared if you were wearing deodorant. Stanley: Wynton always wears deodorant. Glaser: I'll bet Arthur Murray was on the dance floor and he was thinking about Louis and that's where he got the idea to open a bunch of dance schools. Stanley: And that was very profound. Giddy: Let's talk about Louis some more. We've wasted three minutes of this 57-part documentary not talking about Louis. Wynton: He was an angel, a genius, much better than Cats. Stanley: He invented the word "Cats." Wynton: He invented swing, he invented jazz, he invented the telephone, the automobile and the polio vaccine. Stanley: And the internet. Wynton: Very profound. Announcer: Louis Armstrong turned commercial in the 1930s and didn't make any more breakthrough contributions to jazz. But it's not PC to point that out, so we'll be showing him in every segment of this series to come, even if he's just doing the same things as the last time you saw him. Glaser: I'll bet Chuck Yeager was in the audience when Louis was hitting those high Cs at the Earle Theater in Philadelphia, and that's what made him decide to break the sound barrier. Stanley: And from there go to Pluto. Wynton: I'm going to make some gumbo- Stanley: BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick=85=85 Giddy: Do-yap-do-wee-bah-scoot-scoot-dap-dap...That's what all the cats were saying back then. Announcer: In 1964, John Coltrane was at his peak, Eric Doolphy was in Europe, where he would eventually die, the Modern Jazz Quartet was making breakthrough recordings in the field of Third Stream Music, Miles Davis was breaking new barrier with his second great quintet, and Charlie Mingus was extending jazz composition to new levels of complexity. But we're going to talk about Louis singing "Hello Dolly" instead. Stanley: Louis went, Ba-ba-yaba-do-do-dee-da-bebin-doo-wap-deet-deet-do-da-da. Wynton: Sweets went, Scoop-doop-shalaba-yaba-mokey-hokey-bwap-bwap-tee-tee-dee. Giddy: I go, Da-da-shoobie-doobie-det-det-det-bap-bap-baaaaa... Announcer: The rest of the history of jazz will be shown in fast forward and will occupy exactly seven seconds. --There, that was it. Now here are some scenes from Ken Burns' next documentary, a 97-part epic about the Empire State Building, titled "The Empire State Building." "It is tall and majestic. It is America's building. It is the Empire State Building. Dozens of workers gave their lives in the construction of this building." Matt Glaser: I'll bet that they were thinking of Louis as they were falling to their deaths. I have this fantasy that his high notes inspired the immenseness of the Empire State Building. Wynton Marsalis: I'll bet most people who'd fall off the Empire State Building would go "Aaaaaahhhh!" But these cats went "Dee-dee-daba-da-da-bop-bop-de-dop-shewap-splat!" "That's next time on PBS=85" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: eskelin trio Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:14:00 +0100 (CET) Hi! Apart from what I was able to hear live, I had the opportunity to hear "The Secret Museum" briefly and it promises to be their best album to date. It seems more complex than their past works, which I must admit I didn't like very much (on CD, of course) but this one seems to BE THE ONE. Regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:21:23 +0100 (CET) Hi! I don't know if you heard Tim Berne's Bloodcount. If you haven't, I can assure it is a must. Although it is a quartet one might think that there is an entire crowd there when it comes to collective improv. Did you hear Wadada Leo Smith's Golden Quartet on Tzadik? It was one of 2000's best albums in my opinion. Michael Formanek (also from Bloodcount) has a good quartet too. They released several CDs on Enja. One I specially dig is "Nature of the Beast". Are you also looking for trios? Satoko Fujii's one of my favs (w/ Mark Dresser and Jim Black) and as someone else said Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio is highly recommended. Did you hear the Relativity album on Enja? (Marty Ehrlich, Michael Formanek and Peter Erskine). It's really good although the last section of the album goes down a little bit. I can't remember anything else right now. Regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: FW: trying yet again after trying again and again... Date: 30 Jan 2001 06:40:01 -0500 ---------- > From: TTaylor228@aol.com > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:36:18 EST > To: bb10k@velocity.net > Subject: Re: trying yet again after trying again and again... > > Hi Sorry for the delay > the reason is the product is licensed to another label. It is about to appear > soon. I promise we will inform you when we know > regards > Trevor Taylor soon! soon! be still my heart, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 07:45:27 EST I'll second everyone below, especially Bloodcount. Also, the Matthew Shipp=20 Quartet's "New Orbit" has been on repeat cycle in my disc player for the las= t=20 week or so. A gorgeous disc. It is piano-based, though, and a bit subtler=20 than most Masada stuff. Bloodcount, on the other hand, is aggressive and=20 wonderfully chaotic.=20 Tom=20 In a message dated 1/30/01 5:22:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, efrendv@yahoo.e= s=20 writes: > Hi! > =20 > I don't know if you heard Tim Berne's Bloodcount. If > you haven't, I can assure it is a must. Although it is > a quartet one might think that there is an entire > crowd there when it comes to collective improv.=20 > =20 > Did you hear Wadada Leo Smith's Golden Quartet on > Tzadik? It was one of 2000's best albums in my > opinion. > =20 > Michael Formanek (also from Bloodcount) has a good > quartet too. They released several CDs on Enja. One I > specially dig is "Nature of the Beast". > =20 > Are you also looking for trios? Satoko Fujii's one of > my favs (w/ Mark Dresser and Jim Black) and as someone > else said Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio is highly > recommended.=20 > Did you hear the Relativity album on Enja? (Marty > Ehrlich, Michael Formanek and Peter Erskine). It's > really good although the last section of the album > goes down a little bit. > =20 > I can't remember anything else right now. > =20 > Regards, > Efr=E9n del Valle ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: CHRIS SPEED'S YEAH NO Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:55:31 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! Someone recommended Chris Speed's Quartet Yeah No. Could anyone try to describe what they do? I was actually MORE THAN DISSAPOINTED with his trio CD "Iffy" on Knitting Factory Works.I didn't like the compositions, nor the interplay between the performers. I found the latter really surprising since I had been expecting Saft in varied contexts too long. The same happened to me with his "Sovlanut". I was pretty surprised when seeing his record among some 2000 Top Lists. What about Human Feel? I've recenly heard some Rosenwinkel's work and found it really nice. If we're adding Jim Black and Andrew D'Angelo the thing is promising. Obviously I have a very positive opinion on Speed's playing but when it comes to composition... Thanks in advance, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: gratkowski / quicksand? (+ zorn interview postscript) Date: 30 Jan 2001 07:04:23 -0600 (CST) hello everyone, can anyone share their thoughts on Meniscus Records MNSCS 007 Quicksand Frank Gratkowski/Georg Grwe/Paul Lovens i'm a fan of gratkowski's playing on VicissEtudes, RA002. Frank Gratkowski/Georg Graewe and Melodie und rhythmus, Okka disk 12024. Georg Grwe Quartet; thought i might track down some more. And graewe and lovens are no slackers either ;) does he have anything more recent out than quicksand? thank you, oh knowledgable oracle(s), whit p.s.: re: troubles posting the zorn interview (thanks, btw): i think messages over a certain size get withheld so that mr. rizzi can verify them, which can take a while depending on his time constraints. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: CHRIS SPEED'S YEAH NO Date: 30 Jan 2001 14:34:35 +0100 > MORE THAN DISSAPOINTED with his trio CD > "Iffy" What about Human Feel? Hi, I acknowledge the Speed problem. What modem do you use ;-) ? No, I had the same idea with IFFY, though it does have some good stuff, I sold it anyway. But in PACHORA, man, he is so good. About YEAH NO, the new one EMIT is really good, much more melody than the previous one. Try it, you'll like it. Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU www.rob.allaert.com "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: gratkowski / quicksand? Date: 30 Jan 2001 14:49:02 +0100 >From: Whit Schonbein > >can anyone share their thoughts on > >Meniscus Records MNSCS 007 Quicksand >Frank Gratkowski/Georg Grwe/Paul Lovens > >i'm a fan of gratkowski's playing on VicissEtudes, RA002. Frank >Gratkowski/Georg Graewe and Melodie und rhythmus, Okka disk 12024. Georg >Grwe Quartet; thought i might track down some more. And graewe and lovens >are no slackers either ;) > >does he have anything more recent out than quicksand? I haven´t heard this CD but there is an upcoming Quartet CD scheduled for spring 2001 with Gratkowski, Wolter Wierbos, Dieter Manderscheid and Gerry Hemingway. I´ve heard a cdr in advance and it´s a very promising band. A tour is planned this fall. The sound recalls in places the fantastic Anthony Braxton Quartet with George Lewis or Ray Anderson some years ago. A solo CD of Gratkowski is scheduled for fall 2001. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: CHRIS SPEED'S YEAH NO Date: 31 Jan 2001 02:12:45 +1100 > Someone recommended Chris Speed's Quartet Yeah No. > Could anyone try to describe what they do? > Obviously I have a very positive opinion on Speed's > playing but when it comes to composition... I was the one who mentioned Yeah No. I'm with you on the composition thing, but it seems like he's just churning out too much for it all to be quality really, doesn't it? I like his Pachora stuff the best, for the most part he manages to avoid repetition there. The Yeah No compositions are more hit and miss, some are great, some need work, some meander a bit too much... When I mentioned Yeah No I was certainly talking less about his compositions and more about the way the band works (I've only heard Emit so far by the way), particularly some of those crazy rhythmic effects of Jim Black (like playing almost in time, stuff like that)... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: INCUS VIDEOS Date: 30 Jan 2001 17:38:35 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! Anyone seen any videos of the INCUS LABEL? Would you recommend them? Thank you, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: petr kotick Date: 30 Jan 2001 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) Does anyone know much about Petr Kotick, especially PK as a composer? I see that the Dog With a Bone label (same label that produced the Marcel Duchamp CD and the newest version of Morton Feldman's FOR PHILIP GUSTON) has reissued a 3CD of Kotick's MANY MANY WOMEN. It was described as an "underground classic" (uh oh) and it's a setting of a Gertrude Stein novella (yes!). Has anyone heard this, and what do you think? WOuld you recommend it? ----s __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: new Lee Kotniz CD on DIW Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:32:11 -0500 Hey all, Anyone heard the new Lee Konitz/Greg Cohen/Joey Baron disc on DIW? Any thoughts? Thanks, Bruno _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Lou: Boy is *that* a loaded question. Try Ornette Coleman's Quartet from the early 1960s, which "inspired" Masada for a start A more contemporary band with that sort of configeration would be Other Dimensions in Music Ken Waxman --- Gareb20@aol.com wrote: > hello everybody: I was just wondering > if there are any other quartets out there that are > just as good as Masada. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: FW: trying yet again after trying again and again... Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:02:06 -0500 (EST) Rick: Better hold onto your heart. "Soon" can mean a lot of things, like "soon, soon, maybe not tomorrow ..." And what does the cryptic "the product is licensed to another label" mean? Does it mean the set will appear elsewhere first? Or is it that CT, WP or TO have to be extracted from some big time record contract to get the stuff out? Gee, I hope Clive Davis isn't involved. :) Ken Waxman --- Rick Lopez wrote: > > ---------- > > From: TTaylor228@aol.com > > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:36:18 EST > > To: bb10k@velocity.net > > Subject: Re: trying yet again after trying again > and again... > > > > Hi Sorry for the delay > > the reason is the product is licensed to another > label. It is about to appear > > soon. I promise we will inform you when we know > > regards > > Trevor Taylor > > soon! > > soon! > > be still my heart, > RL > > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: CHRIS SPEED'S YEAH NO Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:09:10 -0500 (EST) Efrén: To wade into heavy waters here, I'd suggest the disc is more "No" than "Yeah". I've been impressed with Chris' playing as a sideman, but IMHO he doesn't seem to (yet) have the skills to be a fully interesting leader. But, of course, everyone is expected to lead his or her own session these days and most give in to the pressure to do so. (Except that is for Daniel Carter, who told me the other week he'd rather be a good musician and sideman than have a CD out under his name). Ken Waxman --- efrén del valle wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Someone recommended Chris Speed's Quartet Yeah No. > Could anyone try to describe what they do? I was > actually MORE THAN DISSAPOINTED with his trio CD > "Iffy" on Knitting Factory Works. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:12:49 EST I'll third the picks mentioned before, and add: The great Anthony Braxton quartet, with Crispell, Dresser, and Hemmingway - OK, can't count it if we're only including active quartets, but it has to go on any modern avant list... (Also a great trio without Braxton that still makes occasional appearances.) Franz Koglmann's Monoblue Quartet, with Tony Coe, Burkhard Stangl, and Peter Herbert. Sylvie Courvoiser Quartet, with Eric Friedlander, Coung Vu, and Mike Sarin. David S Ware Quartet - albeit weaker now without Susie Ibarra. Old and New Dreams - another defunct modern avant classic, but certainly a must-hear for Masada lovers. Los Straitjackets (oops! - wandered in from the surf thread ;-) ) More trios: Clusone Trio (Michael Moore etc) Susie Ibarra Trio (with Cooper-Moore, Chas Burnham) Mario Pavane Trio Masada String Trio Miniature (Berne, Baron, Roberts - another defunct classic) And Sylvie Courvoisier's introducing two new trios, one with Leandre and Ibarra, the other with Feldman and Friedlander, that figure to be killers. David Are we doing duos and sextets next? In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 7:46:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: > I'll second everyone below, especially Bloodcount. > Also, the Matthew Shipp Quartet's "New Orbit" In a message dated 1/30/01 5:22:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: > > Tim Berne's Bloodcount. > > Wadada Leo Smith's Golden Quartet > > Michael Formanek quartet > > Are you also looking for trios? > > Satoko Fujii's one of my favs > > Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio > > Did you hear the Relativity album on Enja? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 19:29:53 +0100 > Sylvie Courvoiser Quartet, with Eric Friedlander, Coung Vu, and Mike Sarin. What did they do ? Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: Chris Speed - Emit "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nils Subject: Re: important insight into satchmo Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:52:41 -0500 "Martin Wisckol" wrote: of burns parody Not nice, Martin. Please credit the author when you quote something like this. It's not yours. It was created by John Grabowski . He posted it to rec.music.bluenote and published it on the net. And you snipped off the very best part: the reference to Skunkbucket Lefunke. Please allow me to properly present the intro to this piece... n ----- Presenting Ken Burns' 144-hour Extremely Important documentary, "Jazz." Fade up on a grainy old photograph of a man in a three-piece suit, holding a cornet. Or a bicycle horn, it's hard to tell. Narrator: Skunkbucket LeFunke was born in 1876 and died in 1901. No one who heard him is alive today. The grandchildren of the people who heard him are not alive today. The great-grandchildren of the people who heard him are not alive today. He was never recorded. Wynton Marsalis: I'll tell you what Skunkbucket LeFunke sounded like. He had this big rippling sound, and he always phrased off the beat, and he slurred his notes. And when the Creole bands were still playing De-bah-de-bah-ta-da-tah, he was already playing Bo-dap-da-lete-do-do-do-bah! He was just like gumbo, ahead of his time. Announcer: LeFunke was a cornet player, gambler, card shark, pool hustler, pimp, male prostitute, Kelly Girl, computer programmer, brain surgeon and he invented the internet. Stanley Crouch: When people listened to Skunkbucket LeFunke, they heard Do-do-dee-bwap-da-dee-dee-de-da-da-doop-doop-dap. And they knew even then how deeply profound that was. Announcer: It didn't take LeFunke long to advance the art of jazz past its humble beginnings in New Orleans whoredom with the addition of a bold and sassy beat. Wynton: Let me tell you about the Big Four. Before the Big Four, jazz drumming sounded like BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick. But now they had the Big Four, which was so powerful some said it felt like a Six. A few visiting musicians even swore they were in an Eight. Stanley: It was smooth and responsive, and there was no knocking and pinging, even on 87 octane. Wynton: Even on gumbo. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: John Butcher US tour-March Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:49:13 EST this is all the info I have on this for now... MARCH TOUR 16, MINNEAPOLIS 17, MADISON + Scott Fields 18, MILWAUKEE, Woodland Pattern, + Michael Zerang 19, TBC - APPLETON 21, CHICAGO, Empty Bottle, + Fred Lonberg-Holm, Michael Zerang 22, TBC - ANN ARBOR, Kerrytown Concert House 23, NEW YORK, Roulette 25, BUFFALO, Burchfield-Penney Art Center 26, ROCHESTER, Bopshop 28, PHILADELPHIA, + Toshi Makihara 29, BALTIMORE, Red Room Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:52:08 EST In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 1:29:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Rob, the Belgian Guy" writes: > Sylvie Courvoiser Quartet, with Eric Friedlander, > Cuong Vu, and Mike Sarin. > > What did they do ? Nothing on any official release to date. Sorry, I wasn't thinking about that when I listed them. Sylvie periodically brings this lineup into Tonic, and also toured Europe (Amsterdam, Lausanne, Eindhoven, etc.) with the quartet last November. Hopefully she'll bring this group into a studio at some point. They really oughta be heard. D - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: John Butcher US tour-March Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:02:44 -0800 On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:49:13 EST JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > this is all the info I have on this for now... > > -------------------------------------------- > > MARCH TOUR > > 16, MINNEAPOLIS > 17, MADISON + Scott Fields > 18, MILWAUKEE, Woodland Pattern, + Michael Zerang > 19, TBC - APPLETON > 21, CHICAGO, Empty Bottle, + Fred Lonberg-Holm, Michael Zerang > 22, TBC - ANN ARBOR, Kerrytown Concert House > 23, NEW YORK, Roulette > 25, BUFFALO, Burchfield-Penney Art Center > 26, ROCHESTER, Bopshop > 28, PHILADELPHIA, + Toshi Makihara > 29, BALTIMORE, Red Room > > -------------------------------------------------------- Unless problem, he should also play in Portland (OR). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: kotik/many many women Date: 30 Jan 2001 14:28:55 EST 1/30/01 2:53:40 PM, you wrote:<< Does anyone know much about Petr Kotick, especially PK as a composer? ...reissued a 3CD of Kotick's MANY MANY WOMEN.... "underground classic" and it's a setting of a Gertrude Stein novella (yes!). WOuld you recommend it? >> hi scott, this is one of my favorite records, and have been hungering and begging for a reissue forever. i have the promo-only single LP of the 5 Lp box which i never difd get to buy. i heard it performed live, somewhere below houston street, and was bewitched. kotik told the audience that it's long (it's long and it's minimalist for sure) and that it would be fine to go out and come back or go to the rear and nap anytime and that would be fine. i did and it was. kotik leads the s.e.m. ensemble that for decades has done yeoman work performing then-rare works by cage, wolff, et alia. i believe they have discs on mode. i havent kept track of recent events but they frquently perform and often in brooklyn heights. next email i get i will fwd to the list. steve koenig n.p.: stillupstepya soleilmoon ep - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: CHRIS SPEED'S YEAH NO Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:52:15 -0600 (CST) > Someone recommended Chris Speed's Quartet Yeah No. > Could anyone try to describe what they do? I was > actually MORE THAN DISSAPOINTED with his trio CD > "Iffy" on Knitting Factory Works. Funny how there doesn't seem to be much middle ground on 'Iffy'. Should I preface this response by revealing I'm in the "very enthusiastic" camp about that record? Maybe. In any case, I would describe Yeah No, at least as with regards to the last two records, as a super-melodic groove band from the planet Mars. That seem really at their best, in my opinion, not when they're probing downtown-y moments of collective improv (which is cool, don't get me wrong), but when Skuli and Jim are just barreling along like a freight train and Chris and Cuong are tearing the place apart. And I think the compositions are in fact really good - neat melodies, interesting juxtapositions of musical ideas (one of the tracks on the new one drops a Balkan theme on top of a Haitian groove to extremely cool effect). I'm undecided on which of the latter two ('Deviantics' and 'Emit') I dig more but have found both of them very rewarding. > What about Human Feel? Amazing. I don't even know where to begin. As I've probably said on this list before, 'Speak To It' is one of less than 10 records that really blew open my ears apart in terms of how composition and improvisation can really complement each other in a very powerful way. Which makes no sense. Shit. And Andrew D'Angelo is a fantastic composer. On one hand it gets me kind of down that he didn't take Dave Douglas' "How To Be An Indie-Jazz Rock Star" seminar with Speed and Black but on the other hand it's nice to know he's off doing his own thing as opposed to hauling his horn all over the damn world playing other people's charts. Now if only he would start putting out some records... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: burns parody Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:12:49 -0800 my apologies for not noting that i was forwarding the great burns parody. and thanks to nils for adding the top. that wasn't in the version i lifted, from the tom waits listserv. martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: John Butcher US tour-March Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:17:19 -0800 Unless problem, he should also play in Portland (OR). Likewise early this summer in Ventura (CA). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: John Butcher US tour-March Date: 30 Jan 2001 21:34:53 +0100 > this is all the info I have on this for now... Go and see him! He was in Poland 2 months back, one of the best shows I saw for long time. Amazing improviser, superb technique. I thought I know something about sax (I know Zorn, right), but after his show I realized, this instrument has lots more potenatial, and Butcher knows how to use it. Very peronal music, very original, deep listening. __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] muzyka.emd.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 30 Jan 2001 17:25:21 -0500 All-knowing Zornophiles, Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman reccomendations? --Mike -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marius Ergo" Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 31 Jan 2001 00:03:58 +0100 >Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman reccomendations? > >--Mike Miles' On the Corner The Trio: In Color(Resonant Music 2000) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hale Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 30 Jan 2001 20:56:38 +0000 I like a couple of recent ones: "John Coltrane's Meditations" and "The Elements: Water" which features a great band of Billy Hart, Cecil McBee and Pat Metheny (doing his outside stuff). Lieb has a really extensive Web site that he maintains himself. James Hale Mike Chamberlain wrote: > All-knowing Zornophiles, > > Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman reccomendations? > > --Mike > -- > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: INCUS VIDEOS Date: 30 Jan 2001 19:11:05 -0500 >Hi everyone! > >Anyone seen any videos of the INCUS LABEL? Would you >recommend them? If you go to http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/evideo.html you'll find a whole bunch of excerpts from the videos. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 30 Jan 2001 21:11:45 -0500 I don't know a lot of Dave Liebman outside of his work with Miles. But I'll say this: his new Enja disc 'time immemorial' is a trip. I gather it's a followup to an earlier solo release, 'The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner.' This, too, is solo sax with manipulation and effects by Walter Quintus. It's not like Evan Parker's manipulated solo releases, though. It's more cinematic, I'd say. Liebman plays soprano, alto, tenor, baritone, flute, and dida. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: INCUS VIDEOS Date: 30 Jan 2001 21:25:46 -0500 WILL - quirky duet with a tap dancer... short but sweet. MOUTAIN STAGE - elegant duos with dancer Min Tanaka. COMPANY IN JAPAN - great performances with a variety of unique Japanese improvisers, very oddly edited to stop and start in mid-performance GIG - the best of the bunch, an intimate pub date with John Stevens. All are pretty low-fi and somewhat home videoish, but they're all recommendable for what's on them. My first copy of 'Gig' didn't play at all, but a replacement worked fine. I've not seen the new Milo Fine video. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 30 Jan 2001 18:32:27 -0800 >>>Liebman plays [...] dida.<<< This is more than I cared to know. Isn't anything personal anymore? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript Date: 30 Jan 2001 23:18:12 -0500 Finally saw this last Saturday and was surprised to see the music credited to Penderecki. Actually about half or a bit more is electronic music credited to somebody else; early blip style but used quite effectively. Penderecki seems to have contributed the orchestral parts which is 18th century pastiche (except for what's lifted entire from Beethoven and I think Mozart). Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew" Subject: Komeda Date: 31 Jan 2001 00:59:34 -0500 Saw at dustygroove.com the 19cd-box of Polish jazz artist/composer Komeda. Worthwhile? or just get Astigmatic (or not even that)? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Komeda Date: 31 Jan 2001 02:54:49 EST --part1_47.6d0bc8e.27a91ec9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/01 12:56:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, mats@smartweb.net writes: Saw at dustygroove.com the 19cd-box of Polish jazz artist/composer Komeda. Worthwhile? or just get Astigmatic (or not even that)? Depends on how much you enjoy film music. At least half of this box set contains music of that type, so if you're one that enjoys theme development, you're going to be unhappy with the box and should probably stick to _Astigmatic_ (the live and studio versions) and the live stuff concerts. There's also a 25-CD box set coming out in March that will contain *everything* plus a 250-page biography and discography. Of course they announce this after I've picked up about half of the catalogue...:( -- =dg= --part1_47.6d0bc8e.27a91ec9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/01 12:56:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    mats@smartweb.net writes:


    Saw at dustygroove.com the 19cd-box of Polish jazz artist/composer Komeda.
    Worthwhile?
    or just get Astigmatic (or not even that)?


    Depends on how much you enjoy film music.  At least half of this box set
    contains music of that type, so if you're one that enjoys theme development,
    you're going to be unhappy with the box and should probably stick to
    _Astigmatic_ (the live and studio versions) and the live stuff concerts.  
    There's also a 25-CD box set coming out in March that will contain
    *everything* plus a 250-page biography and discography.  Of course they
    announce this after I've picked up about half of the catalogue...:(


    --
    =dg=     --part1_47.6d0bc8e.27a91ec9_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Tzadik Date: 31 Jan 2001 09:18:45 +0100 Hi, finally Tzadik has updated their website - and mixed up Archery and a promising new release The Gift ("this is the album Naked City fans have been waiting for" "for lovers only") some comments about the recent releases? Frank London: Invocations Oren Bloedow and Jennifer Charles: La Mar Enfortuna Aiko Shimada: Blue Marble Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: quartet recommendations Date: 31 Jan 2001 09:35:08 +0100 >From: DvdBelkin@aol.com > >Clusone Trio (Michael Moore etc) defunct too since roughly two years Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: MARC RIBOT IN BCN Date: 31 Jan 2001 10:08:21 +0100 (CET) Hi everyone! I'm sure that most of you are pretty used to attending concerts like the one I had the chance to witness yesterday evening in Barcelona. I had previously seen Marc Ribot with his Cubanos Postizos here and my opinion was thoroughly positive. I didn't know though what I was to see yesterday. In actual fact, I didn't know what to expect from a Ribot's solo performance and it turned to be one of my most beautiful experiences ever. As happened last Friday with the Eskelin trio, the concert was moved to a big room in Barcelona called "La Paloma" which is usually a dance-floor for the elderly (tangos, pasodobles, maybe a little salsa, you know) and the building was absolutely amazing, sort of an opera house (balcony included). At first I thought that this might be too big a space for a solo performance but the truth is it couldn't have been better. Ribot began with a couple of slow pieces, really cold. He didn't seem to be eager to please the audience. Right after, everyone understood why there were little baloons on the floor. He performed a noisy improvisation for GUITAR, BALOONS and ALL THE GADGETS ONE MAN CAN USE. It was actually really hard for me to identify the covers that came after. After a 20-minute pause (added to a 40-minute delay; 11.20 p.m) Ribot explained what was supposed to be the second part of the show, mostly based on Zorn's "The Book of Heads". I was thankful to see the more edgy side of is playing. By the faces of the people not everyone agreed. There was a composition dedicated to the late Brother Jack McDuff and another one to "the people without papers" (!!). I find it hard to describe what I heard or saw, specially in a language that is not mine, but yes, there was noise, free improvisation, bluesy soloing, jazzy deconstructed tunes and Ribot's weird balladry (check these lyrics: "I walked by your house/you threw a lemon at me/and the juice came down to my heart). I never had doubts of Ribot being a genius with a language of his own, but he made sure to remind us in the best possible evening a fan can enjoy. Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 31 Jan 2001 12:07:43 +0100 > >Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman reccomendations? > Miles' On the Corner As for Liebman playing with Miles, the best choice should be the live Dark Magus. One of the best records ever made. Incredible. If you don't have it just go and buy it. I know Liebman only from his work with Miles, so i'd be interested in your reccomendations... Marcin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 31 Jan 2001 08:04:18 -0800 (PST) I enjoyed reading Liebman's (slim, concise)autobiography, which discussed his experiences taking part in the NYC loft scene (well, one particular loft scene, at least) in the 1970s, getting his "breaks" with Elvin Jones and Miles Davis, etc etc. It's been several years, and unfortunately I have lost the book; my memories are of a humble, contemplative survey of one musician's own career, with much more time given to ruminations on being a musician, and on descriptions of a scene, than on anything else. Eloquent. I also highly recommend his DEVELOPING A PERSONAL SAXOPHONE SOUND book for any less experienced saxophonists on the list, maybe for any saxophonist on the list. Wonderful rudiments to getting inside the instrument and speaking _with_ it. ----s __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: reriobec Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:30:36 -0500 so if the taylor/sommer disc was the second release on fmp, the label musta been new at the time of taylor's epic stay in germany, yeah? was the label founded to document taylor in berlin? kg np: dolly parton - the grass is blue - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: reriobec Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:38:48 EST In a message dated 1/31/01 11:33:17 AM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com writes: << so if the taylor/sommer disc was the second release on fmp, the label musta been new at the time of taylor's epic stay in germany, yeah? was the label founded to document taylor in berlin? >> nope, that was just the second CD. they put out more than 100 LPs starting around 1969 or 1970. full discography at: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~losinp/music/fmp.html Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: slate editorial on Burns' JAZZ Date: 31 Jan 2001 08:43:29 -0800 (PST) http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-01-30_97997.asp Nothing new here, but a refreshingly constructive editorial pointing out that Burns' seeing the (jazz) world in black and white makes him miss Zorn, Douglas, Shipp, Wm. Parker, etc. ----s __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: new orleans landmarks Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:52:34 -0500 a better article was the kidd jordan-led tour of storyville in a recent issue of signal to noise. but here's something from the a.p. which may be of interest. as usual, write me if you want to see the whole shebang. kg np: john hammond - wicked grin (songs of tom waits) New Orleans debates preservation of jazz landmarks AP Photos By BRETT MARTEL Associated Press Writer NEW ORLEANS (AP) - It's easy to stroll past the downtown block where Louis Armstrong grew up, around the corner from where "cornet king" Buddy Bolden played his regular gigs - and not even know it. The very neighborhood that cemented New Orleans' place in world cultural history is now a bland amalgam of government buildings and paved parking lots. The Masonic and Oddfellows Hall where Bolden made his name still stands, but as a nondescript, hollowed-out brick shell. "It looks like a burnt-out zone," says Bruce Raeburn, curator of the Hogan Jazz Archive at Tulane University. To some, it's an outrage that there are essentially no physical markers - no plaques, statues or monuments - at many of the places where the musicians who gave birth to jazz lived and performed. Others say it's the music that matters, that there are still plenty of intimate bars and clubs where local musicians continue to create what has been called the great American art form. "Building a jazz infrastructure means investing in the musicians and places where they can play," says Mayor Marc Morial, whose great uncle was trombonist Kid Ory. "The buildings are important, but you've really got to create a package that includes the music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Odp: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 31 Jan 2001 19:04:16 -0000 >From: Marius Ergo > > > >Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman recommendations? A couple of early '70s titles on ECM: Drum Ode, and especially Lookout Farm, not forgetting his work with Elvin Jones, Live At the Lighthouse is good, Dark Magus his best with Miles, and a great but obscure date with drummer Bob Moses, Bittersweet In The Ozone... Peace Out! N.P. Cecil Taylor 'Unit Structures' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript Date: 31 Jan 2001 19:07:47 -0000 >From: JonAbbey2@aol.com >well, after all the talk about this movie here, I rented it today. I >haven't seen it yet... Watch it yet? Opinions? Anyone seen the film AND read the book? How do they compare? I've just started reading it... Peace Out! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: reriobec Date: 31 Jan 2001 14:12:07 -0500 (EST) Kurt: No and no. The label had been around for about 20 years at the time. It just happened to be FMP's second CD. Ken Waxman --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > so if the taylor/sommer disc was the second release > on fmp, the label musta been > new at the time of taylor's epic stay in germany, > yeah? was the label founded to > document taylor in berlin? > > kg > np: dolly parton - the grass is blue > > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:22:11 -0800 thomas chatterton wrote: > > Anyone seen the film AND read the book? How do they > compare? I've just started reading it... Book is much longer & more involved -- the film is something like "Selected Riffs from _Saragossa Manuscript_, with Has' own take on time & space added in. The book is basically structured as an Arabian Nights stories-w/in-stories sort of narrative, so that's really ok, but they're different animals. (There's a lot more *in* the book, esp. if you count the second volume, _The New Decameron_ ... n.b. the book's publishing history is pretty gnarled, there's no such thing as an "authoritative" edition, i.e. whatever edition you look at is going to be missing/adding linking materials differently in the area around the volume divide ... kind of appropriate, when you think on't.) -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer Subject: Infinite Chug online? Date: 31 Jan 2001 14:54:20 -0500 does anyone on the zorn-list know of an online distributor that carries cds released by the "Infinite Chug" label? I am looking for 1996, Legend of the blood yeti, Infinite Chug 5CD. XIII Ghosts. Or, anyone got a copy they want to sell? Thanks. David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: re: Infinite Chug online? Date: 31 Jan 2001 16:05:43 -0500 At 14:54 31/01/01 -0500, David Keffer wrote: >does anyone on the zorn-list know of an online distributor >that carries cds released by the "Infinite Chug" label? Themselves http://www.inchug.force9.co.uk/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript Date: 31 Jan 2001 16:51:25 EST In a message dated 1/31/01 2:08:42 PM, chatterton23@hotmail.com writes: << Watch it yet? Opinions? >> I saw it last night. I found the structure pretty intriguing, but I'm not sure how much it all added up to. to be fair, I don't like too many movies (very rarely do I feel like the 2 or so hours I've devoted to them has been worthwhile), and I defer to others here with greater expertise, like Jim and Lang. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Marsh?= Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs Date: 01 Feb 2001 00:23:46 +0000 (GMT) mike wrote: >Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman reccomendations? As others have suggested, Liebman is fantastic on Dark Magus and also on 'Get up With It', but his early 70s solo records are well worth a listen. 'Drum Ode' has just been reissued by ECM and is highly recommended - it's spacey and it grooves mightily too, (Bob Moses, Badal Roy, Collin Walcott, Barry Altschul) as does 'Sweet Hands', if you can find it. (Nice vicious guitar histrionics by John Abercrombie on this one). The 'Lookout Farm' discs on ECM a/ Richie Beirach are lovely as well. A much underrated player IMHO. Bless 'im. cheers peter - -- ===== lob - astralpunkfunkambientnoisejazz http://www.lentils.demon.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/lobstuff ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: metal Date: 31 Jan 2001 20:26:39 EST --part1_a2.f878ba4.27aa154f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have recently been digging into the world of metal music, and i would love some recommendations from members of the list. here is what i've heard and liked :Opeth, Neurosis, some Cradle of Filth, the Gathering, etc. however, i don't know much about metal's genre divisions, or the classic records in any metal genre. also, i am more interested in progressive metal...diverse and BIG, like Opeth music. thanks. ben o /\ o neb --part1_a2.f878ba4.27aa154f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have recently been digging into the world of metal music, and i would love
    some recommendations from members of the list.
    here is what i've heard and liked :Opeth, Neurosis, some Cradle of Filth, the
    Gathering, etc.

    however, i don't know much about metal's genre divisions, or the classic
    records in any metal genre.  also, i am more interested in progressive
    metal...diverse and BIG, like Opeth music.

    thanks.

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