From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: new koenjihyakkei Date: 01 Apr 2001 12:05:45 -0000 howdy somebody mentioned that he bought the new KOENJIHYAKKEI cd at a recent ruins show. could you perhaps post a review or comment? i loved their first one, but wonder if i should pick this one up as well... thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: orrick@earthlink.net Subject: Joe McPhee concerts in St Louis and Columbia MO Date: 01 Apr 2001 09:06:53 -0500 An upcoming event in St. Louis, MO features the playing of Joe McPhee, Davey Williams, and Phillip Gelb. This is improvised music for saxophones, shakuhachi and electric guitar. The concert is this Tuesday, April 3, 8 PM at the Forum for Contemporary Art. Shows like this don=B9t come though St. Louis every day. I know there are a few Midwest readers on this list and hope you can hear the show. The trio also plays the following day at The Ragtag Cinema Caf=E9 in Columbia, MO. More information can be found at the New Music Circle web site http://members.nbci.com/nmcstl/index.html Josh Riggs NP Elizabeth McNutt, Pipe Wrench - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: new sugimoto and nakamura solo CDs Date: 01 Apr 2001 14:07:48 EDT I wanted to let people know about a new French label, a bruit secret, who ar= e=20 releasing some interesting solo CDs. the first two are just out, new release= s=20 from Taku Sugimoto and Toshi Nakamura, and an Axel D=F6rner release is promi= sed=20 soon. Metamkine is handling all of the distribution, which I'd guess means=20 that Anomalous will get copies in the next few weeks. anyway, below is the=20 press release, complete with more contact information. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com -- --- CD01 - TAKU SUGIMOTO-ITALIA 1 : Bologna =20 2 : Milano =20 3 : Milano =20 taku sugimoto : guitar all tracks recorded live by taku sugimoto.=20 track 1 recorded in Bologna on November 21, 2000 track 2 and 3 recorded in Milano on November 22, 2000 concerts organized by Giuseppe Ielasi (fringes) CD mastered by toshimaru nakamura at setreset no editing thanks to Giuseppe Ielasi =20 artist contact : takkku@aol.com www.japanimprov.com/sugimoto/ label producer : a bruit secret - 2001 label contact : m_henritzi@club-internet.fr distribution : metamkine@compuserve.com Taku Sugimoto belongs to the new scene of improvised music in Tokyo, whose particularity is to put forth the recent transformations of the sonic phenomenon induced by electronics with its transversal instrumental approach. He has built his technique on two kinds of traditions, Delta blues and European free improvisation, without confining himself to either of those traditions, looking for his own oblique ways, influenced by the music of Morton Feldman and Giancinco Scelsi, moving within a very specific approach of sound. The main peculiarity of his sound could be his very strong relationship with silence and a fondness for weak sounds, the "almost nothings". This third solo recording, which folows "Myshkin for Electric Guitar" released on the Slub label and "Oppposite" on Hat Noir, reveals a new development in his playing, closer to Derek Bailey's percussive style and with a very radical work on the sustain. He has played in the last few years with the most innovative improvisers of this scene : Keith Rowe, Kevin Drumm, Annette Krebs, Toshimaru Nakamura, G=FCnter M=FCller, Otomo Yoshihide= , Brett Larner. CD02 - TOSHIMARU NAKAMURA-no-input mixing board # 2 track 1 : nimb #13 ... 08:52 track 2 : nimb #14 ... 10:35 track 3 : nimb #15 ... 12:01 track 4 : nimb #16 ... 11:14 track 5 : nimb #17 ... 05:21 track 6 : nimb #18 ... 09:03 all sonic occurences were found around no-input mixing board and Toshimaru=20 Nakamura (GEMA) all happened in between Dec.2000 and Jan.2001 in Tokyo, Japan Thanks to Michel artist contact : setreset@attglobal.net www.japanimprov.com/tnakamura/ label producer : a bruit secret - 2001 label contact : m_henritzi@club-internet.fr distribution : metamkine@compuserve.com Toshimaru Nakamura lives and works in Tokyo. He belongs to the new improvisation scene in Tokyo, "Onkyo", with other musicians like Sachiko M., Otomo Yoshihide, Tetuzi Akiyama, Utah Kawasaki. He is also a member of a duo named Repeat with American percussionist Jason Kahn, and elaborates several other projects in the field of improvisation, collaborating with people like Keith Rowe, Andrea Neumann or Bruno Meillier. The precept of the mix could just about define the aesthetic of our era, the era of the technoculture. Toshimaru Nakamura has chosen this era's very technology as the basis of his work, using a mixing desk in a loop in order to produce a kind of minimalist electronic music, by radicalising this immovable system. His work could be heard as the work of a sonic designer, if not for the fact that the process of improvisation is the chore of his relationship with the sonic event. A "Discreet music" that let the secret sounds of technologies and their bugs be heard. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: moers festival: doctor nerve & fred frith Date: 01 Apr 2001 21:28:21 -0000 hey! i just saw the program for the moers festival, and it was a bit dissapointing i must say. But still, a few concert make me seriously concidering going! could anybody enlighten me about DOCTOR NERVE? i understand they are kind of choppy aggresive and comlex punky, or at least used to be!? anybody heard the project with the strings (which will play in moers) any recommendations for their cds? there is quite alot. of course i love nicks playing with fred frith, so i'm hoping his band will also be good. as you probaly know, FRED FRITH will also play solo. the program say "FRED FRITH: GUITAR & ELECTRONICS" i'm quite curious about that. is this a new project and have anybody heard it? or is the "electronics" just the effect pedals which fred use in his "normal" solo shows? http://www.moers-festival.com/ thanks!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryan W. Blum" Subject: Skuli Sverrisson _Ceremonie_ Date: 01 Apr 2001 17:48:27 -0700 Hi Everyone, I desperately would like a copy of Skuli Sverrisson's solo CD _Ceremonie_ on Extreme. It's not available at any of the places I've checked (GEMM, Other Music, Forced Exposure). Anyone have another lead, or--if worst comes to worst--could burn me a copy or rip it to mp3? Should I not say that out loud? Thanks, Ryan [NP: Bloodcount _Unwound_ disc 1] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Knit unravelling? Date: 01 Apr 2001 21:01:41 -0400 Dan and Skip and all y'all: True, there are rumors far and wide that the Knit is on the rocks. And the rumors are based on substance, in that there is severe financial woe down there on Leonard Street. Adding to the situation, no one really knows for certain what's going on, not the former employees, not the musicians, not the current employees - only Dorf. And Dorf is in denial. But I'll get back to that in a little while... Skip has heard that Dorf is in the hole to the tune of $11 million. That doesn't surprise me, although the highest figure I've seen in print is $2 million. One fact is that the Knit lost a ton of money in the contuined hassles over opening the new club in L.A. The delays meant that the club had to pay hefty guarantees to artists whose shows were cancelled. No way to make that money back, although the LA club is indeed profitable through the big pop bills that Skip mentions, as well as countless private parties and industry functions. Another fact is that the Knit spent way too much money on last year's Bell Atlantic Festival, some of the bills for which are reportedly still unpaid. A third fact is that sometime within the last two years, Dorf invited outside investors to sink money into the venture. Those investors now want to see a return on their investments, but the money is not there. Beyond that, all is conjecture - although there are currently writers at the Times and at New York Magazine working on investigative pieces. (I was interviewed for the latter.) One artist says that everyone who has a record on the label is worried that those master tapes are going to be lost to them forever. The label has been on hiatus since last fall, but suddenly someone at Koch tells me that there are new releases coming out in May. (One of this list's moles at retail or a one-stop might be able to confirm this.) Several longtime journalists are declaring the place dead already. One has basically said to me that it's about time - that the only people who play down there now are those who "suck and can't get a gig elsewhere." This tells me more than anything else that it's time this writer retired, 'cause he's tired, old and bitter if that's really his attitude. Another writer says that this proves what goes around, comes around. No writers who were actually part of the scene in the '80s are shedding any tears at all. To me, that's sad. Yes, the Knitting Factory has been a fucked up place. Yes, I myself was fucked as hard as any and harder than most. And yes, the artists and employees have been taken advantage of by Dorf for years. But what some folks, including many of the musicians involved, are missing is that the place is more than just a nightclub. It's got an iconic status now, like it or not. To people of our generation(s), the Knitting Factory has as much cultural weight as the Village Vanguard has to the generations that came before us. It's a place that artists from elsewhere aspire to play simply because of its reputation, because so much fantastic music has come from there. At its best, it's still a place where a lot of fantastic music from a myriad of genres can still be heard nightly. It's a democratic place where the newcomer may have to play at 11 p.m. on a weeknight, but at least he or she gets a gig in the first place. It's called "paying dues" and "building an audience." And there are few other places in town where that newcomer is going to find a stage available, period. Finally, for years it's put on the only reasonably progressive jazz festival in town, and more recently the only one where avant-garde musicians could work alongside mainstream musicians and commercial acts. That being the case, the absence of the Knit, if it comes to pass, will leave a big, stinky hole in this city's musical soul. To many musicians, what's happening at the Knit is justice. I can't say that I don't see their perspective, if their point is that what Dorf did was to take their music, their art, their lives, and turn it into a marketable commodity recognized around the world. Of course that's what he did. That, in a nutshell, is Dorf's genius, but for many of the artists, it reeks of someone capitalizing on their efforts, while they see little benefit themselves. Never mind that one partial benefit might just possible be the fact that without the reach of the Knit, many of these artists might still be unknow outside of New York City. (Obviously I'm not talking about the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Byron or Douglas...) I said as much in the New York Magazine interview, and I expect that a lot of friends are going to call me naive and unenlightened. So be it. The musicians have Tonic, and the writers... well, the writers will complain regardless. When I was doing the interview for New York, I told the writer that I wanted to go "off the record," and then I told him, in minute detail, the exact story of my tenure at the Knit, including its almost unbelievable denouement. As I got to the end, the writer was squirming. "Why is this off the record?" he asked. "This stuff is great! Why can't I use it?" "Because," I told him, "what's past is past and doesn't make any difference to anyone who will read this, but mainly because I felt that only through demonstrating to you exactly how fucked I got could you accurately put it into context when I tell you that I don't want to see the place fail, and what a loss I think it would be." The Knit may very well fail ultimately - this is supposedly a very big problem he's facing now. The vultures are circling, some of them drooling outright. Dorf keeps telling interviewers that things are "on hold," that this is a "slow down," that it's a temporary setback. And then he'll go on to talk about future plans as outlandish as anything he's ever attempted. To me, this is the surest bet that the Knit will survive. Dorf, I'm convinced, can make himself believe anything, and once he's convinced, he has an eerie capacity for convincing others to see things his way. And as long as he's convinced, the club has a chance. Interestingly, some musicians are indeed taking an interest in helping to save the Knit. Of course, it's the height of cynical self-interest for Wynton Marsalis to headline the club for the first time just days after the final episode of Burns aired. But look instead to the Vision Festival, where the artists involved - who've proven that they can succeed on their own - have chosen to hold their festival at the Knit to make a statement. Their PR materials are clear about this - they are saying that the Knit is worth supporting. Personally, as long as Ellery Eskelin can draw the sizeable and vociferous crowd I saw last night, and the Knit can sell out three nights of Shellac and book AMM and the Anti-Pop Consortium and even things that sell out even though I've never heard of them ;-) then there must be a plausible reason to wish for their continued survival. And maybe, just maybe, Dorf will emerge from this a humbler, wiser man, more grateful to those upon whom his success is built (and in this I count the employees as much as the artists). But I won't hold my breath on that last bit. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: interdisc. pieces Date: 01 Apr 2001 19:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Hello, I'm curious if anyone on the list can recommend some interesting interdisciplinary performances/compositions/colloborations (i.e. involving more than just music). I'm already aware of a few of the obvious ones, such as Glass/Wilson, etc. but i'm trying to dig up some more obscure stuff, possibly stuff involving improvisation. thanks, Matt Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: ruins recommendation question/tim berne personal ad Date: 02 Apr 2001 02:06:36 EDT --part1_7e.131ba6ba.27f970ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/01 11:48:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, william_york@hotmail.com writes: > actually, while i'm on the subject of personals, if anyone is making the > trip to san jose from sf to see TIM BERNE/paraphrase on apr. 9, let me > know. > i'll pay for your gas and ride in the trunk or something (he cancelled his > sf show for apr. 10). > > apologies for the waste of space, and thanks in advance, > > wy The show is in Santa Cruz not San Jose. I'll be going there Monday morning to make a day of it. I'm coming from Santa Rosa so will be taking the 19th Ave/280 way to get there. You're welcome to come along. I can't believe how many good shows are coming in such a short time. I was amazed by Erik Friedlander's Topaz a couple weeks ago. Everyone in the band is a phenomenal musician. The same weekend as Berne is Rova's Rovate with a ton of musicians (Frith, Leo Smith, John Schott,many others), AMM on Sunday, and Harriet Tubman for several nights the following weekend. Brunos is also bringing in Ronnie McCoslin, Tony Malaby, and Vandermark's School Days all in April. How to keep up with it all will be the problem. And of course I already missed the Ruins as well as Sam Rivers. You can't see everything. Cheers, John Threadgould np Transatlantic Bridge-Territory Band 1 --part1_7e.131ba6ba.27f970ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/28/01 11:48:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
william_york@hotmail.com writes:

  
actually, while i'm on the subject of personals, if anyone is making the
trip to san jose from sf to see TIM BERNE/paraphrase on apr. 9, let me
know.
i'll pay for your gas and ride in the trunk or something (he cancelled his
sf show for apr. 10).

apologies for the waste of space, and thanks in advance,

wy
        The show is in Santa Cruz not San Jose.  I'll be going there Monday
morning to make a day of it.  I'm coming from Santa Rosa so will be taking
the 19th Ave/280 way to get there.  You're welcome to come along.  I can't
believe how many good shows are coming in such a short time. I was amazed by
Erik Friedlander's Topaz a couple weeks ago.  Everyone in the band is a
phenomenal musician.
        The same weekend as Berne is Rova's Rovate with a ton of musicians
(Frith, Leo Smith, John Schott,many others), AMM on Sunday, and Harriet
Tubman for several nights the following weekend.  Brunos is also bringing in
Ronnie McCoslin, Tony Malaby, and Vandermark's School Days all in April.  How
to keep up with it all will be the problem.  And of course I already missed
the Ruins as well as Sam Rivers.  You can't see everything.  Cheers,
      John Threadgould
      np  Transatlantic Bridge-Territory Band 1  
--part1_7e.131ba6ba.27f970ec_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Yoshide New Jazz Quintet Date: 02 Apr 2001 04:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Why haven't I heard about this before now? Someone here has to know something. Give us the scoop! OTOMO YOSHIHIDE'S NEW JAZZ QUINTET: Flutter CD (TZADIK) "Japanese Free Jazz has a history that goes back to the '60s, and Otomo Yoshihide's latest project brings together some of the best Free Jazz players in Japan with noise musicians Sachiko M and the legendary Akita Masami of Merzbow. Beautiful arrangements, exciting solos and a kickass rhythm section make Flutter one of Otomo's most powerful and unusual musical statements. Features three bizarre covers of tunes by Eric Dolphy and Gerry Mulligan and four dynamic originals. Sine waves, drones, jazz and noise from one of Japan's most ubiquitous experimental musicians." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: St. Germain - Porto, 31 March 2001 report Date: 02 Apr 2001 16:53:27 +0100 (WET DST) =09Warning: This message is cross-posted to the Zorn mailing list and Mariscada mailing list.=20 Greets, =09The place:=20 =09- Teatro da S=E1 da Bandeira, Porto. This is an old theater (if you picture an old italian opera house, three box floors you ain't very far) with an outer ring of access to the viewing places were was the bar. The decorum is mainly in heavy gold wich gives a decadent style to the place (much more if you know that the main use of the place right now is as an X-rated cinema...). Well, the chairs were gone and it was quite crowded with loots of different specimens from the urban jungle to see the show. The concert was under the "It's Amazing" iniciative.=20 =09 =09The music: =09- I've entered when they were going for the second theme ("le batoun rouge" if i'm well remembered) and the floor was pounded by the jumping crowd literally. Everyone was excited and the musician (Ludovic Navarre at turntables, a tenor sax that also played flute, trumpet, guitar (this I remember the name, Alex), drums and perc) were digging well the all scene, amusing themselfs and giving great solo and cooperative playing. The themes were from St. Germain last album tourist and the performance was great (did I said this already?). the differences from the album were the extended playing byt the musics and their ability to solo on the theme, getting sometimes away from it and getting back, pushing you allong the know "sound landscape" without loosing view of it. This was indeed one the great concerts of this year on this part of the globe. They encored with "le batoun rouge" getting the most of it in a longer version and more colourfull one two.=20 =09After the concert: =09- Loduvic Navarre went on has DJ and the scene hold pretty well. It was amazing...=20 =09=09 =20 Ricardo Reis =09=09=09 "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Tributo a Miles concert report, 31/03/2001 Date: 02 Apr 2001 16:51:40 +0100 (WET DST) Warning: This message is cross-posted to the Zorn mailing list, Miles Davis mailing list and Mariscada mailing list. Greets, Saturday was held at the Coliseu, Porto (Portugal) a concert of homage to Miles Davis. It consisted in two parts, both supported by the Finish orchestra "UMO Jazz Orquestra". The place: The Coliseu dos Recreios at Porto is a concert room were several show's can be held. It shows it's age, with after some time hard chairs ;). Has several "layers" of boxes from were the show can be seen, I've got a place in the audiance (best sound conditions if my sources didn't deceived me). The music: First part: "Sketches of Spain" This was directed by Maria Scheneider (she was assistant to Gil Evans for several years) and the soloist (miles impersonificator so to speak) was Jon Fadis (has played with Dizzy and Mingus, being director of the Dizzy's United Nation Orchestra and, later, the Centennial Jazz Band). They played: "Concierto de Aranjuez", "Will O'the Wisp", "The pan piper", "Saeta" and "Solea". This was the part i liked best, with Fadis cruzing the trompet slowly, in the low register, climbing up to higher scales sometimes. I must say I've never heard the original "Sketches of Spain" but intend to fix that up shortly. It was pleasant to see Maria Scheneider conducting and on one of the tunes they resorted to a funny and well done "trick": a drum section was placed in the inside of a side-box. This resulted in a kind of feeling of hearing it from afar, kind of military on the street while one is inside the house. Anyway they knew what they were doing, that stuff goes right into your soul. part second: "Electrifying Miles" Dedicated to the Miles electric period had the trompet of Tim Hagans (record to Blue Note in 1997 "No words" (w/ Jonh Lovano, Jonh Abercombie and Hubsongs and more recently "Animation Imagination" and "Re-animation", and excursion to hip-hop) and conductor Kirmo Lintinen. Not being so that familiar with this Miles Period (my description of Bitchews Brew being of a dark sea storm were Miles trumpet is a lighthouse saving me from altering waves) had the pleasent effect of making me get more confortable with this period. i'm liking it more has time pass (maybe is like a Porto wine ahn?). the only real problem i've experienced during the concert was some un-easyness of being seated and thinking that this kind of music need another posture to be "digged" full-throttle. They played: a theme from "Du boop", Spanish Key from Bitches Brew,a composition from Wayne Shorter "sanctuary", a them called "fast track", and "Tutu". This was a great display of music and some at least the guitar player was getting way behond inside the music. speeding up and down, really showing pleasure on it (maybe there's something with guitar players, who knows?). encore!: well some folks couldn't wait to get out of the room (maybe electric miles is still to much for some?) but through diligent applauding (and well deserved) we got right to an encore. this last piece saw Maria Scheneider again conducting and Jon Faddis and Tim Hagans playing together. It was "My ship" from Miles Ahead and it was a lovely way to end the concert, by the alternate takes of the two Miles "impersonificators" of the night, they fusing at times the sound of their trumpets. The only hatefull thing about it was a jerk who keep it's mobile phone ringing some time at the beggining (those guys who do not turn off those crappy things of plastic should be thoughrougly hanged at the entrance of movie theaters and concert halls) and another in the end... anyway, i wished miles would be there to listen... The concert is roughly almost 2h and I've got it on MD (I will try to pass it to CDR). Anyone interested needs only emailing. On the Dave Douglas concert please wait, i'm working on it :). Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Hextatic - V.N. Gaia, 30 March 2001 report Date: 02 Apr 2001 16:53:00 +0100 (WET DST) Greets, The place: - The Hardclub is an old factory near the river that was recovered to become a show place. It's a big building built in granit with two flors, the second being on wood, taking half of the first (plant area) like a big U shaped varanda over the 1st. Also has a view to the Douro river and Porto city and it is located in the Porto's wine store houses (here called Caves do Vinho do Porto). The concert: - Hextatic used to work with Coldcut (never heard of them but if it says something to any of you good). They work mainly with image having three projection screens over their heads. They mix image with music, being music sounds in repetive loops, voice fragments, drums, game blips and so on. The image compositions were very well blended with the sound support and sometimes they become so associated that you could fuse both senses. They used fragments from old BBC (60's and 70's) television shows, Amazonia documentary, computer games images (remember spectrum games?), sci-fi movies and they even mounted one theme around a Monty Python sketch. It was an enjoyable evening but I had to leave before it ended. They made an extended encore with all their stuff, improvising a little (know this because I was able to speak with a friend that stayed to the end). Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Knit unravelling? Date: 02 Apr 2001 12:20:25 -0400 Steve Smith doth proclaim: > the absence of the Knit, if it comes to pass, will leave a big, stinky hole in this city's musical soul. Agree 100%. Unless they have massive plans to boost their operations (which has been kept secret), venues like Tonic and Roulette are not going to be able to take up the slack. I've had my share of screw jobs from the Knit but it's still an institution that's worth preserving. I've seen dozens (hundreds?) of great shows and festivals there, from all types of artists. No other venue that scale, with four stages and projects like the labels and such, offers these things in the city today. Any investors out there wanna call Dorf? Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: i put his head where his wallet used to be Date: 02 Apr 2001 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) marcin: I can't believe that it was possible to reproduce 'spillane' live. kurt: believe it. i was there, too. FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoshide New Jazz Quintet Date: 02 Apr 2001 13:49:09 EDT In a message dated 4/2/01 7:27:46 AM, andywmarks@yahoo.com writes: << Why haven't I heard about this before now? Someone here has to know something. Give us the scoop! OTOMO YOSHIHIDE'S NEW JAZZ QUINTET: Flutter CD (TZADIK)>> this is the first I've heard of this coming out on Tzadik. looking at Otomo's web site, though, it looks as if he's got three Tzadik releases planned for release in the works for 2001, this one, the Cathode sequel (Anode), and a New Jazz Quintet with singers that I know nothing about. I have heard an advance copy of Flutter, though, that Otomo sent me a while back. the version I have, which may have changed a bit, has five tracks as follows: 2 Otomo originals, Flutter and Spin Serene, by Eric Dolphy two tracks which are double-credited, Drift (Otomo)-Les (Dolphy), and Night Lights (Gerry Mulligan)-Density (Otomo) the Quintet is two saxophonists, bass, drums, and Otomo switching between guitar and electronics. Sachiko is also on two tracks and Masami Akita plays synth on one. I like this record a lot, it's a pretty successful attempt to fuse sine-wave electronics into jazz structures. my only quibble is that some of the more jazz-oriented parts don't quite have the chops that jazz fans are used to hearing. well worth picking up, though, and the final version will probably sound better than the one I've got. where did you get that blurb from, and when is this being released? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: koenjuhyakkei Date: 02 Apr 2001 13:55:33 -0400 (EDT) so, like, Arthur Gadney, goes, "howdy, somebody mentioned that he bought the new KOENJIHYAKKEI cd at a recent ruins show. could you perhaps post a review or comment? i loved their first one, but wonder if i should pick this one up as well." so, the new one, on tatsuya's magabiatsu label, is the third i have, and as i understand it their fifth release all told. the first two i have are both on hoppy kamiyama's god mountain label, and are pretty similar. good, but a little proggy for my liking. the new one is great -- edgier, smaller groups (with different line-ups on different tunes), less orchestrated and less vocals. it's still recognizable as koenjihyakkei (tatsuya put it on the p.a. before the show, so i had a sorta blindfold test), but much stronger, methinks. kurt FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 02 Apr 2001 18:20:20 >I heard some Lightning Bolt on late night CBC radio a few weeks ago -- >a >live recording from late last year. I liked it quite a bit, but I >have >bizarre tastes when I'm driving at 3 a.m. I will admit I've never >heard >the Ruins, so don't know how they compare, but the closest >reference I >could think of would be Lemmy Kilmeister and some >speedmetal drummer doing >a really long jam. The host referred to them >as part of a new wave of >heavy metal, which I didn't think was >really appropriate (though the thought of a metal resurgence minus the > >wanky guitars does sound appealing. Actually, there is one (Today is the Day, Soilent Green, Dillinger Escape Plan, Nasum, etc) but it would not include Lightning Bolt or those sorts of bands ... Like Jon Abbey said, LB strike me as coming more out of a no-wave tradition, although I am sure they are certainly influenced by some metal. BUT, as long as that music is being embraced by "hipsters" or played on college radio stations, you can be almost fully assured that it isn't really "metal" because that is still too big of a culture gap ... They might like to call it metal, but the whole aesthetics are different. I think some of these no-wave bands are interesting, but the way they (or their audiences/record labels) sometimes patronize themselves by referring to it as metal when they wouldn't actually go to a dingy metal club and watch musically more advanced/interesting (and yet societally more "low-class"/less arty) bands such as Gorguts or Soilent Green or Nile is kind of lame. Besides, sometimes I like the wanky guitar solos - the more ridiculous, the better! WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Re: Yoshihide New Jazz Quintet Date: 02 Apr 2001 12:12:18 -0700 (PDT) This blurb came from the weekly new/forthcoming release sent out by www.bentcrayon.com. Their mailing usually overlaps with the one from Force Exposure, but contains a WHOLE BUNCH of other stuff too. I also saw it in the new/forthcoming list from www.ear-rational.com. But I didn't see it mentioned in the Forced Exposure one, which I thought was odd. Neither one gives a release date, just April. The price was standard Tzadik, $13-14. And while I'm on the subject, Ear/Rational is a great on-line store with good selection, service, and prices. They even take PayPal too. << Why haven't I heard about this before now? Someone here has to know something. Give us the scoop! OTOMO YOSHIHIDE'S NEW JAZZ QUINTET: Flutter CD (TZADIK)>> where did you get that blurb from, and when is this being released? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: AMM tour update Date: 02 Apr 2001 13:44:44 -0600 the following was taken from: http://www.matchlessrecordings.com/news_set.html Thursday April 5th - Colorado College, Colorado Springs, CO (note: this concert is FREE and open to the public) Sunday April 8th - Mills College, Oakland, CA. Monday April 9th - Parlor Concert, San Francisco (invitation only) Wednesday April 11th - The Old Church, 1422 SW 11th Avenue, Portland, = OR. Thursday April 12th - Keith Rowe - solo Conduit Studio 918 SW Yamhill = St. 4th Floor, Portland, OR info: gildedpalace@earthlink.net Friday April 13th - Eddie Pr=E9vost duos and trio with Ken Vandermark = and Michael Zerang Saturday April 14th - (Keith Rowe solo)=20 (April 13th and 14th at 60DUM, 2116 W. Chicago Avenue, Chicago, Ill ) Sunday April 15th - AMM at International House, 1414 E. 59th, Chicago, = Ill (all enquiries for Chicago concerts: = lampo_list@hotmail.com) Tuesday 17th April - The Mattress Factory, 500 Sampsonia Way = Pittsburgh, PA 15212. Tel 412 231 3169. e-mail info@mattress.org Thursday 19th April - doors 7pm Mt. Vernon Place United Methodist = Church,=20 10 E. Mt. Vernon Place Baltimore, MD. contact: Jason Urick e-mail room_temp@hotmail.com a lunch time concert at Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH date to be = announced. Thursday 26th April - John Tilbury - piano music of Cornelius Cardew. = Keith Rowe solo. Eddie Prevost with student workshop ensemble. Friday 27th April - AMM (Bard College, Annandale, NY. Both concerts = 8.15pm at MPR Bard College Campus Center) for information: www.bard.edu/aboutbard/visiting/ Saturday 28th - April Knitting Factory New York (two shows) Sunday 29th - April Knitting Factory, New York (two shows) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Knit unravelling? Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:40:11 -0000 Well, I must admit I'd like to read more of Steve's travails at the Knitting Factory. But that would be voyeurism and perhaps embarassing for him as well. The best result would be for Dorf to sell the place to someone far less crass. It would be rather sad to see it go. To think that the financial problems were in large part created through artist guarantees at the new Knit shows just how ignorant the man is about construction work and delays. Why didn't they wait to book artists until after the building was finished? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Knit unravelling? Date: 02 Apr 2001 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) --- Perfect Sound Forever wrote: > Any investors out there wanna call Dorf? Geez, I'd like to, but I just gave most of my millions to subsidize Hat Hut, and then I used the rest to catch up with everybody's top-5,10,20 lists. ;> ----s, zorn list is sickness ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Xu Feng Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:11:33 -0400 Has anyone seen any Xu Feng films? Where can I find a list of these, and are they easy to purchase? Thanks Neil H. Enet ------------ NP. JAMES - millonaires - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: interdisc work/poetry music painting Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:57:50 EDT In a message dated 4/2/01 11:55:36 AM, you wrote: < Hello, I'm curious if anyone on the list can recommend some interesting interdisciplinary performances/compositions/colloborations (i.e. involving more than just music). I'm already aware of a few of the obvious ones, such as Glass/Wilson, etc. but i'm trying to dig up some more obscure stuff, possibly stuff involving improvisation. ... Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music >> hi matt, im a poet who is collaborating with painters, sculptors, dancers and improvising musicians. i'd like to know more about your your Coalition for Creative Music . i have a cd-r with great performances in great-to-awful-sound, working with folks like hans tammen (el g), robert reigle (ts), christopher meeder (tuba), roy campbell (tpt), with some dancers, and with poems based on paintings and also poems ive written to computer works, the musicians also improvising to the piece. we have a video of the dance/poetry/music birthday trib to albert ayler we did in 1999 at st peter's church, with reigle, campbell, 2 gtrs, 2 percs, 2 dancers, plus steve dalachinsky (poet) with sabir mateen (fl) performing between sets, but the vid and sound quality are not commercial. plus in the can, a studio recording i'm trying to place, with cooper-moore (b, fl), hans tammen, the amazing gunter hampel (vob, b cl), and robert reigle, as well as all of us with computer pieces by two mexican musicians. ive been listening to a lot of poetry discs with musicians, but havent found anyone else yet who's actually interacting with the musicians as they play free, they responding to the texts, and me to their music, the texts are written, but adaptable (I have no talent in improvising texts, but i sure can manipulate em) rather than having them lay a rhythm/funk track below, or a beatnik-cool proto-50s sound. looking for more collaborators, always. regards steve koenig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Xu Feng Date: 02 Apr 2001 22:05:06 -0400 >Has anyone seen any Xu Feng films? Where can I find a list of these, and >are they easy to purchase? Unfortunately the only one that's easy to find (tape & DVD) is the routine early Jackie Chan vehicle "To Kill With Intrigue." She's best known for her work with King Hu, esp "A Touch of Zen" which is perhaps the longest (at three hours) martial arts film ever made but still generally considered one of the best. These are unfortunately pretty hard to come by (unless you're in Hong Kong or Taiwan perhaps). The original "Dragon Inn" (not to be confused with the recent remake starring Maggie Cheung and Brigitte Lin) can be found sometimes in Chinese video stores but it's pretty poor quality with the subtitles lopped off on both sides. "A Touch of Zen" has shown on the BBC and Australia's wonderful SBS so there are tapes floating around from various collectors and grey market dealers. Same for "Fate of Lee Khan" except that got an official UK video release. I've been told that "Raining in the Mountains" got some kind of French release or TV showing but don't know for sure. Anyway, with all the "Crouching Tiger" acclaim & money a lot of us have been hoping that Hu's films will get some kind of decent video release. Xu (or Hsu) retired from acting when she got married but later became a producer of such films as "Farewell My Concubine" and "Red Dust." Probably the best filmography (but still incomplete) is at http://www.hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=3829&display_set=eng Lang Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Knit unravelling? Date: 02 Apr 2001 22:11:11 -0400 I can't view Wynton playing the savior of the Knit with anything other than skepticism, especially given the timing. The altruism may be genuine to a point, but let's face it - he's positioning himself as a benefactor to the leading Downtown venue associated with aggressively experimental and adventurous music, and when he gets there, he plays the same old thing he always plays. Come on, if it were just a matter of a new place to play, Wynton could have chosen any of a hundred rooms. He chose this one, he let it be known that it was a favor to Dorf's ailing bottom line, and he did it at the height of the shitstorm over the final Burns episode. But it's possible that you actually had to be in New York to catch all those little nuances making the rounds... from elsewhere, I could easily see your point. The suggestion that those who whine about ill-treatment at the Knit seek alternative employment has some merit: at the very least, most of the bike messengers and legal assistants I've known in the past were paid when they were supposed to be paid. They generally don't have to ask repeatedly for their check on payday. They don't usually have their checks held until after banking hours deliberately. And I'd guess that most of them don't have their paychecks bounce. If listening to Matt Shipp in the office is acceptable compensation, so be it. Of course, I remember a preponderance of Dusty Springfield and TAFKAP, but that's really mainly due to the employee who sat closest to the stereo, and certainly that's a damn site better than Michael Bolton. This should begin to indicate that there is a massive disjunct between public perception of the KnitMedia organization from the outside, as opposed to the reality of said organization from within. And that's all I plan to reveal, directly or otherwise, about my own experience and that of my friends. But I can't complain too much - at least the beer was free... Perhaps others in that coming New York story will have looser lips. We'll see. And yes, I agree, I'm expecting too much if I think that Dorf might learn humility and generosity from this situtation. It's a hope, but not an expectation, and besides, I no longer have any vested interest. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Knit unravelling? Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:45:14 -0400 Rehashing my Knit story wouldn't be embarassing - not to me, anyway. But it's beside the point. And anyway, lots of other people got screwed worse. Dorf selling the place to someone less crass is an interesting idea - but I don't think that anyone less crass would necessarily have the cojones to take all the chances he's taken. And ultimately he's in it because he loves music and it excited him to be in this business. I could envision the Knit being sold to some corporation that saw it as a name-brand investment but didn't really understand or care about the marginal musics that the club has united into a front to be reckoned with. Dorf's had plenty of chances to sell over the years (and is supposedly under intense pressure to do so now), but he's in this because it's what he wants to be in. I can respect that. As for why Dorf booked and promoted artists prior to the club's opening, I'd think that that's most likely standard operating procedure: partially for the PR value that the names of the artists provide in the buildup to the intended grand opening, partially to build momentum in the market in order to be taken seriously by the business, partially because Dorf believed what the contractors told him, but mostly just the same dumb, pie-eyed optimism that's informed everything he's ever ventured to try. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Knit unravelling? Date: 02 Apr 2001 22:25:42 EDT --part1_105.1321e3a.27fa8ea6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/01 2:41:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bashline@hotmail.com writes: > >>Well, I must admit I'd like to read more of Steve's travails at the > Knitting > Factory. But that would be voyeurism and perhaps embarassing for him as > well. The best result would be for Dorf to sell the place to someone far > less crass. It would be rather sad to see it go. To think that the > financial problems were in large part created through artist guarantees at > the new Knit shows just how ignorant the man is about construction work and > delays. Why didn't they wait to book artists until after the building was > finished?<< > _________________________________________________________________________ I'm sure whatever Dorf paid in artists' guarantees is a small drop in the bucket compared to what the LA Knit costs were. Ca. real estate is not cheap,plus construction and equipment costs. That's the big money there. Not to mention a super bloated web staff. Have you seen the long list of people(at the website) with fancy titles who don't do shit? Can't even keep the calendar current. I'm sure they'll be the last to go. To blame his financial misfortune on artists' guarantees is a big joke. John Threadgould --part1_105.1321e3a.27fa8ea6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/01 2:41:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bashline@hotmail.com writes:


>>Well, I must admit I'd like to read more of Steve's travails at the
Knitting
Factory.  But that would be voyeurism and perhaps embarassing for him as
well.  The best result would be for Dorf to sell the place to someone far
less crass.  It would be rather sad to see it go.  To think that the
financial problems were in large part created through artist guarantees at
the new Knit shows just how ignorant the man is about construction work and
delays.  Why didn't they wait to book artists until after the building was
finished?<<
_________________________________________________________________________

       I'm sure whatever Dorf paid in artists' guarantees is a small drop in
the bucket compared to what the LA Knit costs were.  Ca. real estate is not
cheap,plus construction and equipment costs.  That's the big money there.  
Not to mention a super bloated web staff.  Have you seen the long list of
people(at the website) with fancy titles who don't do shit?  Can't even keep
the calendar current.  I'm sure they'll be the last to go.  To blame his
financial misfortune on artists' guarantees is a big joke.
      John Threadgould
--part1_105.1321e3a.27fa8ea6_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 19:53:27 -0700 > The suggestion that those who whine about ill-treatment at the Knit seek > alternative employment has some merit: at the very least, most of the bike > messengers and legal assistants I've known in the past were paid when they > were supposed to be paid. or a percentage of it, with all kinds of deductions taken out. Michael Moore would have a field day at the average bike messnger company They generally don't have to ask repeatedly for > their check on payday. They don't usually have their checks held until > after banking hours deliberately. They did if they worked at Dianomd Courier in Philly And I'd guess that most of them don't > have their paychecks bounce. That happened more than once. If listening to Matt Shipp in the office is > acceptable compensation, so be it. Of course, I remember a preponderance of > Dusty Springfield and TAFKAP, but that's really mainly due to the employee > who sat closest to the stereo, and certainly that's a damn site better than > Michael Bolton. What's TAFKAP? skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 19:58:44 -0700 > > As for why Dorf booked and promoted artists prior to the club's opening, I'd > think that that's most likely standard operating procedure: partially for > the PR value that the names of the artists provide in the buildup to the > intended grand opening, partially to build momentum in the market in order > to be taken seriously by the business, partially because Dorf believed what > the contractors told him, but mostly just the same dumb, pie-eyed optimism > that's informed everything he's ever ventured to try. > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > > > - > If you understand the LA club scene, if you want anything to work out here, you have to literally crash onto the scene with brand-names and hub-bub. He couldn't open the place with anything less than a ringer. In the course of all the hoopla, by the time he was actually ready to open, he went from being regarded as a savior in these parts to having a questionable rep among, of all things, the ad departments at the various big papers out here. When the place finally opened, it was not exactly with a whimper, but by no means with the bang for which they had hoped. No doubt some hipster children's book writer is toiling away on THE BOY WHO CRIED 'KNITTING FACTORY' (with a forward by John Lurie). skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: ordinary fanfares #3 (of 4?) Date: 02 Apr 2001 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) tuesday april 4, 2001 midnight to 2am EST - ordinary fanfares #3 - wmfo 91.5fm medford, MA webcast: www.wmfo.org music by: bernard parmegiani, bruce haack, odb, wolf eyes, etc... this will likely be the penultimate edition of this show. the last show will air on tuesday april 17th. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 00:02:55 -0400 >What's TAFKAP? The Artist Formerly Known As Prince - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 00:08:33 -0400 Points taken in re: bike messengers. Pity the bike messenger employed by the Knit most of all, then. TAFKAP is, of course, The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. He's Prince again, these days, but I still view that period's material (circa 1997, particularly the album 'Emancipation') as being from the nameless interregnum. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 05:13:22 -0000 Thanks for the information. It was interesting reading. My only experience in getting screwed out of money at the Knit was by a waitress who kept most of my change one evening. Probably trying to recoup a bounced paycheck. Still, I agree with the notion that the place should be kept open with all of its various subsidiary operations, but I think in the longterm, Dorf's presence at the place will do more harm than good. It needs new ownership: perhaps a coalition of musicians with a bit of NEA financing or some such network. It's enough of an institution now to merit something less private sector. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 02 Apr 2001 22:39:53 -0700 (PDT) --- William York wrote: ...but it would not include Lightning > Bolt or those sorts of > bands ... Like Jon Abbey said, LB strike me as > coming more out of a no-wave > tradition...I think some of these no-wave bands are > interesting, Not to fetishize some questionably-existant movement, but who are these new no-wave bands? I mean, maybe now I'm toting the critical baggage, but Black Dice and Lightning Bolt carry more than a trace of some those early No Wave bands, at least the ones I've heard (Teenage Jesus and Jerks, DNA). 'Spose I should wait for the Troubleman comp. Another No Wave question: who were the other No Wave bands, other than the ones on the NO NEW YORK comp? There was a thread somewhere recently about this, but I can't remember any more obscure (!) bands being mentioned. Was this largely a NYC/Northeast thing? -----s NP: George Harrison: ALL THINGS MUST PASS (never heard this on vinyl; does this new [2001] CD mix tamper badly with the original Specter production?) ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josephneff@webtv.net (Joseph Neff) Subject: Re: Lightning Bolt Date: 03 Apr 2001 03:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Hullo, ....Scott Handley asked about other orig. No Wave bands beside those included on the "No NY" comp. Don't know of many, but Glenn Branca's early groups The Static and Theoretical Girls are often mentioned in more in depth descriptions of No Wave. Another righteous group was Rudolph Grey's Red Transistor, who have one posthumous single on Forced Exposure. Unlike the Branca stuff, I've actually heard this, and it's rather great. IIRC, Beaver Harris was the drummer in the group at some point, though maybe not on the single (it's way back in the closet, and it's late). A No Wave curio that I haven't heard is the Don Gavanti LP that was released on Hyrax in 1980. Probably long, long gone. It featured members of Mars, DNA, and Don King. Hey, there's another group not on "No NY". Haven't heard D. Gavanti or Don King, though I think the later (along w/ the above Branca stuff) has be reished on Atavistic. ...I really need to plug these holes in my No Wave experience, since that compilation is one of my all time favorites. Particularly the Contortions. "I Can't Stand Myself" jacked way the hell up could clear the house of many unwanted 3 AM guests..... NP: "Prison Songs Vol. 1: Murderous Home" (Rounder) NR: Penguin Moder Poets 13- Bukowski Lamantia Norse I remain.... Joseph "You cannot deny the validity of all the beautiful things that have happened in the past. And you cannot claim that the energies of the past have no relationship to whatever you're engaged in now." Cecil Taylor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoshide New Jazz Quintet Date: 03 Apr 2001 03:56:01 EDT In a message dated 4/2/01 7:27:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, andywmarks@yahoo.com writes: << Why haven't I heard about this before now? Someone here has to know something. Give us the scoop! >> CDNow shows a 05/22/01 release date. Darn, that's a long wait. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: No wave Date: 03 Apr 2001 03:56:03 EDT In a message dated 4/3/01 1:42:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << Another No Wave question: who were the other No Wave bands, other than the ones on the NO NEW YORK comp? There was a thread somewhere recently about this, but I can't remember any more obscure (!) bands being mentioned. Was this largely a NYC/Northeast thing? >> Don't think one of my favorites was mentioned- James White & The Blacks/The Contortions. 15 years ago, I used to have people calling up the radio station and begging me not to play any more of their music. Did I listen? ;-) Anybody mention The Stickman? If not, get thee out to a good CD shoppe and indulge in their 2 on 1 reissue on Cuneiform called _Insatiable_ . It's a pretty one. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Xu Feng Date: 03 Apr 2001 10:19:25 +0200 Lang Thompson wrote: > >Has anyone seen any Xu Feng films? Where can I find a list of these, and > >are they easy to purchase? > > Unfortunately the only one that's easy to find (tape & DVD) is the routine > early Jackie Chan vehicle "To Kill With Intrigue." She's best known for > her work with King Hu, esp "A Touch of Zen" which is perhaps the longest > (at three hours) martial arts film ever made but still generally considered > one of the best. These are unfortunately pretty hard to come by (unless > you're in Hong Kong or Taiwan perhaps). How about maybe searching on Ebay for those videos or DVDs. I've seen quite a few people from Hong Kong auctioning stuff that is impossible to find over here in Europe. Don't know about their reliability though... patRice np: JZ, Trembling Before G-D nr: Phil Sparrow, Bad Boys & Tough Tattoos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: St Germain/fennesz Date: 03 Apr 2001 02:34:07 -0700 (PDT) has anyone else noticed the similarity in the cover design between _hotel paral.lel_ and the latest by aforementioned band? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: [jazz_sp] Garrison: ALS en directo Date: 03 Apr 2001 12:16:36 +0200 (CEST) Precisamente, saqué este tema recientemente en la Zorn-list, haciendo referencia a la escena del Downtonwn de Nueva York, y mayoritariamente, a algunos de los colaboradores de John Zorn. A menudo ocurre que grandes instrumentistas son incapaces de imprimir su sello en discos bajo su firma, e incluso se muestran escasamente capaces como compositores. Un ejemplo que me resulta bien claro es el de Chris Speed. Más concretamente, el CD "Iffy" de su trio con Jamie Saft y Kenny Wollesen me parece tremendamente decepcionante. A pesar de haber demostrado sus dotes como clarinetista de excepción con Masada y Pachora (donde incluso compone y muy bien) y al saxo con Bloodcount, su aventura como líder cojea por todas partes (siempre en mi humilde opinión). No he escuchado sus otros proyectos, Yeah No y Human Feel, pero ya no me fío. Y con Jamie Saft o Brad Shepik, tres cuartos de lo mismo. Pocos músicos/compositores han sabido equilibrar sus capacidades en ambos campos de modo que uno no ensombrezca al otro. John Zorn, por ejemplo, suele ser definido como compositor y a menudo se olvida lo buen improvisador que puede llegar a ser. Es más, estoy seguro de que de no centrarse tanto en la composición, sería catalogado como uno de los saxofonistas más importantes de los últimos tiempos (¿un poco exagerado?). En el otro extremo, están gente como Zappa, que por querer demostrar sus capacidades con su instrumento (musical) caen a veces en el exhibicionismo (a ver quién se traga Guitar enterito). Pues eso. --- Antonio Martín escribió: > Para: > De: "Antonio Martín" > Fecha: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:45:23 +0200 > Responder a: jazz_sp@yahoogroups.com > Asunto: Re: [jazz_sp] Garrison: ALS en directo > > El asunto Garrison / Workman puede dar varios > motivos de reflexión. Aunque > parezca lo contrario tal vez estemos todos de > acuerdo y digamos (yo aun no > he dicho nada al respecto) lo mismo. Nadie ha puesto > en duda la calidad > interpretativa de ambos, ahora, es posible que > Garrison no tuviera el > carisma de Coltrane-McCoy Tyner-Jones, y esto puede > desviar al asunto del > musico como sidemen o como lider (potencial). Si se > trata de eficiencia no > hay ningun problema, Garrison se portaba muy bien, > sin embargo, hubiera sido > probable que por sí solo sus proyectos no hubieran > sido referenciales. > Workman sin embargo sí se aproxima más a este lado. > Vamos a utilizar el > facil aunque practico recurso de los ejemplos. Paul > Chambers era un bajista > cojonudo, tremendo, influyente y admirado por > muchos, sin embargo sus > grabaciones como lider, estaban muy lejos de las que > tenía como sideman > (joder, acompañante para los que no se enteren del > inglés). Scott La Faro, > nunca lo sabremos porque que yo sepa (lo sé, pero > hay que admitir la duda) > no grabó nada como lider, pero fué un bajista que no > veas. ¿Y Jimmy Blanton > qué? Tanto Blanton y tanto Blanton, pero no grabó > nada a su nombre y es un > idolo. > Bien, por otro lado tenemos bajistas como Mingus o > Haden, cuyo carisma o > liderazgo tal vez ensombrezca sus dotes como > intrumentistas. > Otro ejemplo más evidente, a Walter Page nunca le > he escuchado un solo en > ninguna grabación (con Basie evidentemente) pero > ¿hubiera sonado igual la > orquesta de Count Basie igual sin él? Lo dudo. El > protagonismo nada tiene > que ver con efectividad. Ni la discrección tampoco. > Ni la técnica, esto tan > de moda hoy. A fín de cuentas todo es un producto de > suposiciones y > casualidades, es un error decir que tal y cual > hubiera sido mejor con fulano > y mengano. > > ¿Hay algo coherente en lo que he dicho? El vino > sube a la cabeza, y mi hija > me pregunta (8 años el día 11 de abril) si existen > los reyes magos. ¿Qué > hago? ¿Asesino el sueño? De momento le he dicho que > me deje en paz. > > Escuchando a Mala Rodriguez, nada que ver con el > jazz. Por cierto me ha > alegrado leer una opinion del pianista ¿free? > francés François Tusques > diciendo lo siguiente: "Bjork? No hay ninguna > cantante de jazz viva que se > le acerque a los tobillos, su forma de cantar da la > impresión que va a > morirse en cada nota" > > Saludos > > > --- Original Message ----- > From: "juanjana" > To: "jazz" > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:22 PM > Subject: [jazz_sp] Garrison: ALS en directo > > > > Coincido en valorar el trabajo de Garrison. > > Escuchad su solo en la versión de A Love Supreme > en directo (26, julio, > > 1965. Antibes) > > y me decís qué os parece... > > > > JJ > > > > > > > > > > > > Su utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a las > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~-~> > Make good on the promise you made at graduation to > keep > in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million > registered > high school alumni--chances are you'll find your > friends! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/IFFVlB/TM > > > > > Su utilización de Yahoo! Grupos está sujeta a las > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "sinkas" Subject: Catalogue Number for "The Gift" Date: 03 Apr 2001 20:04:42 +0930 Hi all can someone tell me the cat number for this disc, as I want to = "Indent order it", and its not on the books, Case "Alma Matters" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: solutions@archigraph.at Subject: Fennesz and St. Germwarfare Date: 03 Apr 2001 13:05:17 +0200 > has anyone else noticed the similarity in the cover > design between _hotel paral.lel_ and the latest by > aforementioned band? Affirmative -- I even mentioned it to the guys at Mego, and they kind of shrugged and said, "Yeah, [graphic artist] Tina [Frank]'s work gets ripped off all over the place, so what else is new." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: Catalogue Number for "The Gift" Date: 03 Apr 2001 13:19:44 +0200 > Hi all can someone tell me the cat number for this disc, as I want to "Indent > order it", and its not on the books, > > > Case > "Alma Matters" > > > - > > Hi, Just bought it: catalognumber TZ 7332 Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Gardner" Subject: V/VM Date: 03 Apr 2001 12:06:43 +0100 I think I may regret this but following Andy Marks link to Bentcrayon I came across a downloadable live mp3 of V/VM. I see that they have released lots on singles but I have no idea what are they are like. They may have no relevance on the ZornList at all but with links to the Aphex Twin among others there must be something going on. If anyone can enlighten me, many thanx. Richard Gardner - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: No wave Date: 03 Apr 2001 15:33:30 +0200 >From: Dgasque@aol.com > >Don't think one of my favorites was mentioned- James White & The Blacks/The >Contortions. 15 years ago, I used to have people calling up the radio >station and begging me not to play any more of their music. Did I listen? >;-) I´ve seen the Contortions with Luther Thomas 4 years ago at the Moers festival and it was fantastic. I hadn´t heard of Mr. White/Black for many years before - same with Luther Thomas who had another interesting No Wave band at the beginning of the eighties: DIZZAZZ. At the time he was brought in a red coffin on stage... Another Nowaver was/is? Rhys Chatham. He has done a performance with 100(!) electric guitarists and 5 subconductors which he conducted in Berlin. Andreas np: J.A.DEANE - These Times (zerx) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 09:47:12 EDT In a message dated 4/3/01 1:14:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bashline@hotmail.com writes: > It needs new ownership: perhaps a coalition of > musicians with a bit of NEA financing or some such > network. It's enough of an institution now to merit > something less private sector. Interesting idea, but maybe a little dicey, because of the accountability issues it could raise. Given the recent notorious episodes of conservative outrage over the way public arts monies have been spent, the mind boggles at how some Congessional committee or Mayoral commission might react to the concept of Your Tax Dollars funding some of the skronkier acts at the Knit! Then, too, even if the balance of control over public allocations is tipped towards the artists, you've got other dangers to watch out for, like maybe a downtown version of the Jazz at Lincoln Center situation emerging - a czar or politboro imposing his/its own ideological definition of what is a "What Is Jazz?" artist. Actually, as documented in Kevin Whitehead's book (New Dutch Swing), such matters did become controversial in the Netherlands when public funds started flowing to avant garde venues and institutions in the '70s, and the musicians themselves were deciding who was and wasn't avant garde. None of this is to say that having some club owner (corporately sponsored or not) decide is inherently better, or that there aren't plenty of examples of institutions successfully showcasing "our" music with public support. (I'm guessing that the Canadian fests might fall into this category.) But having seen a bit from the government side how down and dirty the competition gets when cultural institutions substantially depend on public support, I thought a little beware-of-what-you-wish-for might be in order here. Still, in a just world I'd love to see a chunk of the change going to JALC diverted to the Knit! David np: Philippe Micol, New York Interviews --> Rene Lussier & NOW Orchestra, Le tour de bloc - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 14:18:29 -0000 >From: DvdBelkin@aol.com >Then, too, even if the balance of control over public allocations is tipped >towards the artists, you've got other dangers to watch out for, like maybe >a >downtown version of the Jazz at Lincoln Center situation emerging - a czar >or >politboro imposing his/its own ideological definition of what is a "What Is >Jazz?" artist. Absolutely. This will always be a risk with any non-corporate alternative--it's the same thing that's been happening at Pacifica of late. A committee of overseers unbeholden to the contributors to the network or the employees. Not good. At least Dorf has to make some concessions because of his pocketbook, empty though it may be. For myself (and of course this is all useless speculation since the Knit is not for sale), I'd vote for a coalition of musicians to buy the place, with some additional sponsorship from the Zorn list if possible. Then, I'd hire Steve Smith to manage the place. >Given the recent notorious episodes of conservative >outrage over the way public arts monies have been spent, the mind boggles >at >how some Congessional committee or Mayoral commission might react to the >concept of Your Tax Dollars funding some of the skronkier acts at the Knit! Yep. In times of fair weather, find a good scapegoat in the arts to send off into the woods with the sins of the polis inscribed in its hide. Meanwhile, what happens with the appropriation of most tax money is far more obscene. >But having >seen a bit from the government side how down and dirty the competition gets >when cultural institutions substantially depend on public support, I >thought >a little beware-of-what-you-wish-for might be in order here. Or like a bunch of academics fighting like a pack of hyenas over a regents' appropriation. Which brings us to the old saw about why academic politics is so vicious. Because there's nothing at stake. You're completely right in your caution. I'm simply worried that NY's favorite megalomaniac is going run his (and everyone else's) club into the ground. At some point community interest has to trump bad management. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 10:25:16 EDT In a message dated 4/3/01 10:19:24 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes: << NY's favorite megalomaniac >> actually, I think this would be Giuliani. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 03 Apr 2001 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) - lighning bolt as metal or no-wave or ruins have they themselves ever claimed to be a metal band? seems unlikely that they would have, at least without being a little bit tongue-in-cheek. as per no-wave, i'm sure they've heard it, and there are some surface similarities (they're noisy), but in general they're pretty much just a rock band; the drums play in time (the beat isn't being deconstructed at all), the bass plays riffs, etc. as far as the ruins, the instrumentation is the same and there are the technical fireworks, but lightning bolt doesn't have many of the prog-rockisms that make the ruins what they are. but sure... there are similarities w/ all of these things. > BUT, as long as that music is being embraced > by "hipsters" or played on college radio stations, > you can be almost fully assured that it isn't > really "metal" because that is still too big of a > culture gap ... They might like to call it metal, > but the whole aesthetics are different. i try to avoid blaming bands for the people who listen to them. i agree that there is a current wave of "metal for people who don't like metal", but i don't believe that the music is defined by the listener, so if it's "real" metal, it's "real" metal whether or not the listener is a sarcastic wanker or an actual "headbanger". > the way they (or their audiences/record labels) > sometimes patronize themselves by referring > to it as metal again, i wouldn't count lightning bolt among them. > when they wouldn't actually go to a dingy metal club > and watch musically more advanced/interesting (and > yet societally more "low-class"/less arty) bands > such as Gorguts or Soilent Green or Nile is > kind of lame. well, i'm going to see lightning bolt on thursday, electric wizard and warhorse on sunday, then the metal fest w/ gorguts, meshuggah, etc. the following week, and i *certainly* won't feel more authentic by going to one or the other of these shows. > Besides, sometimes I like the wanky guitar solos - > the more ridiculous, the better! i agree there. .greg. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 10:56:33 -0400 Wooo! You think *Dorf* has trouble with managing money... ;-) I'd most likely sink the ship with the best of intentions. I can't even balance my checkbook. Now, booking such a club would be a different story. But there, too, the model in place at the Knit has always worked. It's responsible for the diversity of bookings, to be sure. One thing that most people don't know is that Dorf these days is responsible for little of the actual booking of the club. Sure, he has a supervisory role (and ultimately signs the checks, for what that's worth), but he's not really all that engaged in day-to-day activities of that nature - he's out chasing investors and following pipedreams and formulating strategic partnerships. His biggest dream is to find a way to make online presentation a marketable and remunerable commodity. I can't speak for the old Knit, but in my own experience the actual booking has generally been done by low-lying scrubs. When I was there, the guy booking the club was a younger rock-oriented guy who was willing and eager to learn jazz and other musics. (He's also the drummer for the bands Oneida and Mishagas.) In effect, what evolved was a loose process of booking by committee; it was 80% his doing, but he had lots of input from the rest of the team. This is how I was able to get him to book the duo of Han Bennink and Ellery Eskelin for the first time ever. If there's one thing of which I'm proudest in my entire tenure, it was that. (Still, I can't take sole credit - it was based on a passing suggestion from John Corbett.) Dorf's input to booking was usually the bigger acts, and often the ones that might seem least involved in the aesthetic we generally assocaite with the Knit. His favorite act in the '97 festival, for instance, was the Zawinul Syndicate, and he was single-handedly responsible for bringing in the likes of Lou Reed and Richie Havens. (Spiritually, for those who don't know, Dorf fancies himself a hippie entrepreneur, along the lines of Steve Jobs or Ben and Jerry.) Certain savvy indie promoters brought still other acts to the table, including the much-vaunted Silver Apples reunion, while record labels would often try to cash in on the club's grungy chic by pushing in such unlikely souls as the Emmanuel Ax/Pablo Ziegler 'Los Tangueros' duo project. (That show would have done better elsewhere, but boy did Manny get off on "slumming"...) The reason it all worked, and continues to work, is that Dorf may have final say in theory, but in practice he's been willing to hire bookers and let them work largely unhindered. These bookers, as well as the rest of the staff's contributions, have kept the club's ear closer to street level, assuring that there's a constant flow of music that Dorf himself had no knowledge of. Hell, none of us working there could even claim familiarity with ALL of the music we presented. I still think the Knit is better off uner single ownership, and preferably a sort of daring hands-off owner, for the reasons that have been mentioned. A coalition of artists will most likely end up engaged in the kind of internecine squabbling that David refers to in the Dutch example. And a small cabal of experts will indeed result in the kind of three-faced but single-voiced oligarchy in place at J@LC (the trilateral commission of Wynton, Crouch and Albert Murray, who all think with Murray's brain alone). Besides, ideally artists should be left free to pursue their art, without being beholden to the ownership of a business and the perils attached to that. The Tonic booking policy with its guest curators is a fine model that has resulted in some inspired bookings, but in general I'd prefer to keep the process in the hands of others with a broader overview of the entire scene, not just a niche. Hopefully that doesn't sound too rash... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Sorry, wrong message Date: 03 Apr 2001 17:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Sorry everyone. I sent an e-mail entitled "Garrison: ALS en directo". It was for a Spanish-speaking jazz-list and sent it here by mistake. Regards, efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: lightning bolt Date: 03 Apr 2001 11:35:05 -0400 HOLY SHIT!!! Where's this happening? It's not the metal fest in Asbury Park, is it? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (who's been waiting years to hear Meshuggah, and has now added Gorguts to the wish list thanks to William York...) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Grey ElkGel Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:45 AM then the metal fest w/ gorguts, meshuggah, etc. the following week - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: RE: lightning bolt Date: 03 Apr 2001 08:57:49 -0700 (PDT) > HOLY SHIT!!! Where's this happening? It's not the > metal fest in Asbury Park, is it? it's at the mass metal and hardcore fest, april 13th and 14th at the palladium in worcester, ma. both meshuggah [apparently their only u.s. appearance for this trip] and gorguts are playing on the 14th. > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > (who's been waiting years to hear Meshuggah, and has > now added Gorguts to > the wish list thanks to William York...) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Grey ElkGel > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:45 AM > > then the metal > fest w/ gorguts, meshuggah, etc. the following week > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: big ums Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 03 Apr 2001 08:39:27 -0700 Scott Handley writes: > Not to fetishize some questionably-existant movement, > but who are these new no-wave bands? I would venture that a lot of the Skin-Graft, Bulb, & Load titles would be considered "No Wave" or "Now Wave." Artists like US Maple, Temple Of Bon Matin (even though they say they are "metal"), Thee Hydrogen Terrors, Mr Quintron, Arab On Radar, Melt Banana, Lightning Bolt, !!!, John Van Ryan, Gerty Farish, Men's Recovery Project, Medicine Ball, or Mother Jefferson... I could go on and on. Stylistically, they are very different, some taking on a funky groove, and others mining whatever's left from the "rock" vein, but all have a common thread linking them together. Could be the unrehearsed, loose feel. I try not to over analyze. The magic would be lost. There are possibly hundreds of other bands that could, and would, be lumped into this category, but I'm not going to be the lumper today. ChuckP. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 09:56:32 -0700 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:56:33 -0400 "Steve Smith" wrote: > > Besides, ideally artists should be left free to pursue their art, without ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And they are. The problem starts when you want your art to touch more than your mother, girl/boyfriend, and close friends. We live in a free country where anybody can do what they want in their bedroom or basement. It was never written that claiming to be an artist would automatically create instant fame or wealth. Internet might be close to perfection from this point of view since in the near future we can imagine every artist with his own web site with MP3 and other material available there. The downside of that might also be total irrelevance since the pure volume of information will almost defeat the purpose. Not very different to the current situation where there are zillions of labels each covering a micro-niche (look at the trend of CD-R only labels, where it is a challenge to find 100 customers worldwide). > being beholden to the ownership of a business and the perils attached to > that. The Tonic booking policy with its guest curators is a fine model that > has resulted in some inspired bookings, but in general I'd prefer to keep > the process in the hands of others with a broader overview of the entire > scene, not just a niche. Hopefully that doesn't sound too rash... This last point is interesting since looking at Zorn for the past years I can't stop thinking about the following trend: 1/ label owners are mainly crooks or clueless, then I will take care of my own label business (Tzadik) 2/ club owners are mainly crooks or clueless, then I will take care of my own club booking (Tonic) 3/ writers/critics are clueless, then... no interviews or comments what's next? 4/ fans are stupid or clueless, then I will create a Zorn membership card to select who can listen to my music or buy my records? I am of course exagerating, but am I the only person puzzled with that? This is specially funny because this trend really started when Zorn's music became less and less controversial, and the man more and more covered with what are clear signs of honor and respect. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: No wave Date: 04 Apr 2001 09:59:16 -0700 > In a message dated 4/3/01 1:42:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: > > << Another No Wave > question: who were the other No Wave bands, other than > the ones on the NO NEW YORK comp? There was a thread > somewhere recently about this, but I can't remember > any more obscure (!) bands being mentioned. Was this > largely a NYC/Northeast thing? >> > > Don't think one of my favorites was mentioned- James White & The Blacks/The > Contortions. 15 years ago, I used to have people calling up the radio > station and begging me not to play any more of their music. Did I listen? > ;-) > > Anybody mention The Stickman? If not, get thee out to a good CD shoppe and > indulge in their 2 on 1 reissue on Cuneiform called _Insatiable_ . It's a > pretty one. The Stickmen were IT. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: Lightning bolt/No Wave Date: 03 Apr 2001 17:15:30 >Another No Wave >question: who were the other No Wave bands, other than >the ones on the NO NEW YORK comp? There was a thread >somewhere recently about this, but I can't remember >any more obscure (!) bands being mentioned. Was this >largely a NYC/Northeast thing? Weasel Walter of the Flying Luttenbachers (one of the more established bands who will be on this compilation) has a web site devoted to the early No Wave scene here: http://pages.ripco.net/~nailhead/nycnowave.html It is mostly just photos but lists a lot of bands beyond the No New York album groups. Note that he includes Laswell's Material (early) and the Lounge Lizards among these bands. Here is one he also put together on the more recent Chicago-based no-wave bands, which has some dead links: http://pages.ripco.net/~nailhead/nowave.html >Not to fetishize some questionably-existant movement, >but who are these new no-wave bands? I mean, maybe >now I'm toting the critical baggage, but Black Dice >and Lightning Bolt carry more than a trace of some >those early No Wave bands, at least the ones I've >heard (Teenage Jesus and Jerks, DNA). 'Spose I should >wait for the Troubleman comp. About that Troubleman thing, he says: "A track by the Colligan/Johnson/Lonberg-Holm/Walter FLs will appear on a double CD compilation to be released by Troubleman Unlimited in the near future. This collection is really a who's who in the _real_ rock underground these days: Le Shok, Cranium, Lightning Bolt, The Locust, Men's Recovery Project, Black Dice, Bride of No No, The Fucking Champs, Cromtech, Burmese, Erase Errata and many more." So a few of these groups are actually from California. Hmmm, the Locust is actually as far as I'm concerned a (above average) grindcore band with some keyboards, Burmese is a heavy two bass/drums band that likes to wreck the stage when they play, Black Dice did one 7" that to me sounded like tame, warmed-over, repackaged (for non metal/grind audiences) grindcore but has another more recent thing that's much more interesting. I don't see how anyone could call the Champs "real rock" considering their appropriation of Carcass/Iron Maiden/Thin Lizzy stylings in an ironic, clinical, indie rock-friendly context (however skilled they are at it), but some things I will never understand. There is a lot of posturing in this scene, but some good stuff too. I do like the Luttenbachers, most of the time, and Weasel Walter is always an interesting character -- see some of the interviews on the Luttenbachers site, http://pages.ripco.net/~nailhead/new_contents.html for example. Nice comments about free jazz as it relates to no wave and extreme metal, and some very refreshing criticism of Chicago post-rock. Longwinded as usual ... WY Oh, one other thing -- Re: the John Gavanti CD on Atavistic: I would really save my money and pass on this!!! (Has ANYONE endured the entire album in one sitting???) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Lightning bolt/No Wave Date: 03 Apr 2001 12:21:05 -0500 On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:15:30PM +0000, William York wrote: > Oh, one other thing -- Re: the John Gavanti CD on Atavistic: I would really > save my money and pass on this!!! (Has ANYONE endured the entire album in > one sitting???) I remember thinking when I first got it that it sounded like gastric distress. I don't recall how long ago, but it must have been a while since I recall that I ordered it from the New Music Distribution Service catalog. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brooker Subject: Sabbath in Paradise Date: 03 Apr 2001 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Anyone know how to obtain this film? Or was it ever available on video upon release? I'm also curious about Zorns involvement with the jewish culture. Was he prompted, so to speak, or is Judaism his original culture? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: re: lightning bolt/metal Date: 03 Apr 2001 17:36:05 - - lighning bolt as metal or no-wave or ruins have they themselves ever claimed to be a metal band? seems unlikely that they would have, at least without being a little bit tongue-in-cheek. err, not that i know of. wasn't referring to that. was referring to the dj comment, plus some articles i've read on the band and some of these other troubleman groups, plus a statement by a club promoter that hosts a lot of these no-wave groups along the lines of "we are the only club in town that schedules avant-garde, death metal blah-blah-blah noise." sorry about that. >i try to avoid blaming bands for the people who listen >to them. i agree that there is a current wave of >"metal for people who don't like metal", but i don't >believe that the music is defined by the listener, so >if it's "real" metal, it's "real" metal whether or not >the listener is a sarcastic wanker or an actual >"headbanger". this is a very good point and i totally agree, even if i'm still guilty of it too sometimes. but it is too bad how what 'scene' a band is in and how the music is packaged does end up defining the audience, when the music itself actually has a lot more in common than it would seem. >well, i'm going to see lightning bolt on thursday, >electric wizard and warhorse on sunday, then the metal >fest w/ gorguts, meshuggah, etc. the following week, >and i *certainly* won't feel more authentic by going >to one or the other of these shows. ha! i saw all those bands, minus meshuggah, plus a bulb records band (the king brothers) in the same week, just last week. i agree, i don't gain a feeling of being more authentic either. i'm just as out of place at all those shows! but it just frustrates me how the rest of the audiences remain so segregated and style-centered. never mind how hard it is to talk someone at one of those shows to go see tim berne or harriet tubman or rova with me. but that is life. enough of me, wy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #365 Date: 03 Apr 2001 14:03:32 -0400 ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > Besides, ideally artists should be left free to pursue their art, without > being beholden to the ownership of a business and the perils attached to > that. The Tonic booking policy with its guest curators is a fine model that > has resulted in some inspired bookings, but in general I'd prefer to keep > the process in the hands of others with a broader overview of the entire > scene, not just a niche. Hopefully that doesn't sound too rash... Not at all, you hit the nail on the head. -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: lightning bolt/no wave/metal Date: 03 Apr 2001 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) > but it is too bad how what 'scene' a band is in and > how the music is packaged does end up defining the > audience, when the music itself actually has a lot > more in common than it would seem. yeah, it's a bit distressing how much music often has very little to do w/ *sound*. > i'm just as out of place at all those shows! exactly! > but it just frustrates me how the rest of the > audiences remain so segregated and style-centered. > never mind how hard it is to talk someone at one of > those shows to go see tim berne or harriet tubman or > rova with me. or vice-versa. granted people have their tastes and there's nothing wrong w/ having a focused aesthetic, but the degree to which an aesthetic is developed by extramusical criteria is where things become a bit more complex. yet, i can't say this without still recognizing the value of the "total package". so, in the end, i guess i have no idea what i'm talking about. .greg. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: lightning bolt/no wave/metal Date: 03 Apr 2001 12:52:29 -0700 On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Grey ElkGel wrote: > > or vice-versa. > granted people have their tastes and there's nothing > wrong w/ having a focused aesthetic, but the degree to > which an aesthetic is developed by extramusical > criteria is where things become a bit more complex. > yet, i can't say this without still recognizing the > value of the "total package". so, in the end, i guess > i have no idea what i'm talking about. But let's not forget also music that is neither focused on an aesthetic and is neither original... Since there is always the indulgent implicit assumption that music not based on "frivolous" values is interesting. There is very little music that is really groundbreaking. If your music does not bring anything special on top of what has already been done, better add to it something to spice it up. By doing that, you are at least likely to be remembered in 30 years for being kitsch or based on the washing machine effect of nostalgia :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: RE: More Knit unravelling? Date: 03 Apr 2001 16:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Q: What is a camel? A: A horse designed by a committee That is the problem with having too many cooks in the booking broth - hardly anything will get done. As Steve says what's needed is two individuals -- a patron, with $$$ and a booker with taste. Very rarely (ever --maybe John Hammond Sr. in some cases may be an example)are these two folks the same person. ken Waxman --- Steve Smith wrote: I still think the Knit is better off uner single ownership, and preferably a sort of daring hands-off owner, for the reasons that have been mentioned. A coalition of artists will most likely end up engaged in the kind of internecine squabbling that David refers to in the Dutch example. And a small cabal of experts will indeed result in the kind of three-faced but single-voiced oligarchy in place at J@LC (the trilateral commission of Wynton, Crouch and Albert Murray, who all think with Murray's brain alone). > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Sabbath in Paradise Date: 03 Apr 2001 16:13:25 -0400 From a feature on Joey Baron written by Ted Panken, published in the September 2000 issue of Jazziz: Baron recalls urging Zorn to pay attention to his Jewish roots. "On my first gig with John, we were sidemen for Arto Lindsay. We were in Italy - he didn't know me and I didn't know him - and we were talking in his room. I mentioned being from Richmond, and that I'd had to go in the back door at gigs because I was Jewish. John said 'What?' I said, 'Well, you're Jewish, aren't you?' He said, 'No.' At that time he did not identify at all with Judaism. I would talk to him and say, 'Whether or not you identify, you are Jewish.' I think I lit the fire for him to look at this culture and embrace it." The above would have taken place when Zorn and Baron were both playing with Lindsay's Ambitious Lovers, circa 1987. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike Brooker Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:24 PM I'm also curious about Zorns involvement with the jewish culture. Was he prompted, so to speak, or is Judaism his original culture? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: New here... Date: 03 Apr 2001 16:55:40 EDT --part1_f7.8b92882.27fb92cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I am new to the list and just wanted to say hello. Look forward to hearing from all of you. Jan --part1_f7.8b92882.27fb92cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I am new to the list and just wanted to say hello. Look
forward to hearing from all of you.
Jan



--part1_f7.8b92882.27fb92cc_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast Date: 03 Apr 2001 16:57:26 EDT --part1_bf.cff4120.27fb9336_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/01 3:17:12 PM Central Daylight Time, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: > Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on John Zorn is > >broadcast > > > today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC). The BBC will be broadcasting > > > parts II-IV the following three weeks. > > Did anybody tape this? > I'd be interested in this recording as well, if anyone has it. Jan --part1_bf.cff4120.27fb9336_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/01 3:17:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
a_gadney@hotmail.com writes:


Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on John Zorn is
>broadcast
> >  today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC).  The BBC will be broadcasting
> >  parts II-IV the following three weeks.

Did anybody tape this?


I'd be interested in this recording as well, if anyone has it.
Jan



--part1_bf.cff4120.27fb9336_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: V/VM Date: 03 Apr 2001 18:08:34 -0400 MEEP! "Richard Gardner" wrote: >I think I may regret this but following Andy Marks link to Bentcrayon I came >across a downloadable live mp3 of V/VM. I see that they have released lots >on singles but I have no idea what are they are like. I can't claim to be much of fan (they really annoy me, actually), but they're certainly among the more well-documented smartypants noisy DJ acts that has come out of the UK in the last few years. Lots of information (and a fair number of downloadable recordings) can be found at http://brainwashed.com/vvm, although I think you can sum their work up pretty well by saying "Look! We're cleverly gutting pop music!" To their credit, though, they included a pretty swell People Like Us track on one of their Christmas 7"s a couple of years ago. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: New here... Date: 03 Apr 2001 18:40:15 EDT In a message dated Tue, 3 Apr 2001 4:56:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JanZorn@aol.com writes: << Hello everyone, I am new to the list and just wanted to say hello. Look forward to hearing from all of you. Jan >> Hi Jan- Welcome to the list. Since the "no wave" scene seems to be a cool current topic, allow me to say- "contort yourself one time!" -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Black Dice Date: 03 Apr 2001 19:34:56 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:15 PM > stage when they play, Black Dice did one 7" that to me sounded like tame, > warmed-over, repackaged (for non metal/grind audiences) grindcore but has > another more recent thing that's much more interesting. I don't see how I saw Black Dice a few years ago and thought it was terribly contrived (singer "spontaneously" and "recklessly" jumping off speakers, only you could tell he was calculating the best way to do it without hurting himself), but the two recent records on Troubleman are pretty great. The earlier, self-titled one has a bunch of noise "jamming": start-stop drums, feedback, buzzes, screaming, etc., but it works. There's also a few weird, highly repetitive spazz-core type things that may be intended sardonically (repeating for four minutes when two would've sufficed). The newer one, "Cold Hands," sounds like they've added some electronics or keyboards or something, and it's much more experimental and focused. There's a couple of cool spazz tracks, but the first track marries heavy drones and high guitar plinking, and the final, ten-minute track has these really heavy, harsh drones with high-end damage and some glitchy-type guitar stuff. I played it on the radio right after something off the new Kevin Drumm split 12" on Boxmedia, and you would never guess that they were coming from completely different backgrounds/aesthetics. -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: New here... Date: 04 Apr 2001 00:29:53 -0000 >In a message dated Tue, 3 Apr 2001 4:56:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >JanZorn@aol.com writes: > ><< Hello everyone, I am new to the list and just wanted to say hello. Look >forward to hearing from all of you. >Jan >> Hey, you're not, by any chance, related to... Pete Zorn? np: Suns Of Arqa Meet The Gayan Uttejak Orchestra _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: "Marcel & Maria" by Francis M. Naumann Date: 03 Apr 2001 17:32:36 -0700 The April 2001 issue of _Art In America_ has an excellent article on Duchamp and his relationship with Brazilian sculptor Maria Martins, which includes much focus on 'Etant donnes.' The article begins (next to a full page reproduction of 'Etant donnes'): "I will never forget my first viewing of the 'Etant donnes,' which took place in the fall of 1969, a few months after it had been placed in the Philadelphia Museum of Art." Get a copy now. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: "Marcel & Maria" by Francis M. Naumann Date: 03 Apr 2001 20:53:44 -0400 on 01.04.03 8:32 PM, s~Z at keith@pfmentum.com mewled endlessly: > "I will never forget my first viewing of the > 'Etant donnes,' I wept as I moved toward the door. I don't know-- I'd been reading about it, thinking about it, for years. It just opened me up. Thanks for reminding me. R "NP": Marcel Duchamp, ed. Hulten ---------- Sessionographies: ~~~ CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: ~~~ COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things --Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--The Interview--ETC. all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee, Edgar" Subject: John Gavanti Date: 04 Apr 2001 12:13:36 +1000 WY Oh, one other thing -- Re: the John Gavanti CD on Atavistic: I would really save my money and pass on this!!! (Has ANYONE endured the entire album in one sitting???) I first read about Jon Gavanti in a Lester Bangs article where I think he said he had never been able to listen to all the way through. This seemed like a hearty recommendation so I was pleased to find that my record label co owner had a copy of this no wave masterpiece of what is essentially a post punk homage to Mozart's Don Giovanni by Mars and a few others. I found it a brilliant and inspired record with comedic touches, you can even singalong to it in the shower. So I think Lester was wrong on this one, but then again I listened to an album he champions PIL's Metal Box on CD recently and I found it incredibly dull and dated. I remember buying the metal box when it originally came out and being amazed how wonderfully revolutionary it was. Edgar NP Daevid Allen's Good Morning. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Lightning bolt/No Wave Date: 03 Apr 2001 22:49:36 -0700 William York wrote: > > Weasel Walter of the Flying Luttenbachers (one of the more established bands > who will be on this compilation) has a web site devoted to the early No Wave > scene here: Nice to see Robin Crutchfield's Dark Day getting at least minimal representation here ... but where's impLOG (massive 12" on Lust/Unlust, "Holland Tunnel Dive")? > Oh, one other thing -- Re: the John Gavanti CD on Atavistic: I would really > save my money and pass on this!!! (Has ANYONE endured the entire album in > one sitting???) Like Edgar, I gotta say I really like this album, tho I rarely listen to it (mostly because it requires actual active listening -- it just won't stay in the background -- but also because I can never remember where I've filed it :-( ...) -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant." -- Warren Dearden np: Lasse Marhaug, _Developing Options for Migraine Relief_ nr: Robert W. Chambers, _The Yellow Sign_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: PARAPHRASE visits Boulder Date: 04 Apr 2001 00:05:27 -0600 (MDT) The Coalition for Creative Music presents... N.Y.-based jazz trio PARAPHRASE w/special guest Ron Miles Tim Berne (sax), Drew Gress (bass), Tom Rainey (drums) Wednesday, April 11th (not 12th!) 8:00 PM, Old Main Chapel, CU-Boulder campus, Admission is free. The concert will be immediately followed by a post-concert discussion with Tim Berne. Directions to Old Main Chapel: From 36 exit to Baseline Road. Turn W, immediately turn N onto Broadway (93). From Broadway N, turn E onto University Ave. Park. Walk S up the hill, Old Main Chapel is directly across from Macky Auditorium (large brick building). Old Main is red, made of brick, and has spiral staircases. For more info, call the Coalition Hotline at 303.735.3163 A Concurrent Event with the 53rd Annual Conference on World Affairs. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: ruins medleys Date: 04 Apr 2001 18:07:58 +1000 I know about the Ruins' prog rock medley from "Refusal Fossil", and just found their classical medley on the internet. What is the name of the album this is from, and where can you buy it? Also, I remember someone saying they do other medleys on this album, what are they? wondering why interesting music is often so unavailable, Julian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Gatzen Subject: Bible Launcher Date: 04 Apr 2001 03:30:45 -0700 (PDT) anyone know what the deal is with this CD? I can't remember why it was recalled by Koch shortly after it's release. As a smart record store employee at the time, I purchased the copy (my 2nd) we had in stock instead of sending it back. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Zorn/Satlah at Cargo April 2 Date: 04 Apr 2001 12:06:29 -0000 Since the list made me aware of this gig, the least I can do is briefly tell you how it was... The occasion was a semi-public party to celebrate BBC Radio 3's " Jazz on 3" programme moving to Friday nights. It was held at Cargo, a bar in a couple of railway arches in London's "trendy" Hoxton. Amongst the guests that I recognised were Evan Parker, Iain Ballamy, Lol Coxhill, Billy Jenkins, the Mondesir brothers, Pat Thomas and Paul Schutze. I think Alex Ward was there also, but my memory for faces is failing me...anyway, the idea of all those sharing a stage kept me amused until the music started. Zorn did a twenty minute solo set, comprising two long pieces and one very short, in the heavy improv style mentioned on the list a couple of weeks back. All the tricks were used - overblowing, an attempt at circular breathing, just using the mouthpiece, using the sax without the mouthpiece, etc. Despite a request for hush the BBC bods here on a freebie kept on yakking at the back, a situation which pissed Zorn off a bit, pausing once to make talk-talk signals with his hand before picking up where he left off. He was on his third reed of the night by the time he finished, tossing the used ones into the audience. The second one fell at my feet, so I felt honour bound to pick it up - note to all sax-spotters out there, JZ was playing an Alexander D.C. Imperial 3 reed. He also told an annoying gimp with a camera not to take any fuckin' photos, which pleased me. If only Danny Zamir had told him the same thing later! I was not familiar with Satlah before the gig so I don't have any recorded work to compare against. However, they blasted for an hour and a quarter, playing excellent klezmer influenced jazz. Danny Zatlah strikes me as a phenomenal player, and he and the drummer went on swirling explorations whilst the bass player tended to be the group's anchor to planet earth. Excellent. And here's the good bit: BBC Radio 3 will be broadcasting the gig on Friday April 20 at 23:30 BST (22:30 GMT). Tune in at www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3.shtml# Alastair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Bible Launcher Date: 04 Apr 2001 11:08:40 -0400 At issue was use of samples of holy roller evangelists mixed with porn sounds. Rights for the samples had not been cleared, and Zorn, rightly fearing a potential lawsuit, withdrew the disc. A promised revised version never appeared, the catalog number was reused for another release, and I understand that Bible Launcher subsequently issued the CD in its original form. Therefore, I'd think that the value of the Tzadik original, if any, rests only in its assumed rarity. But I'm also certain that a lot of copies got out, and they couldn't have all come back. Yours didn't, and neither did mine. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (whose original editions of Masada 4 and Cynical Hysterie Hour are no doubt worth far less now as well...) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gatzen Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:31 AM anyone know what the deal is with this CD? I can't remember why it was recalled by Koch shortly after it's release. As a smart record store employee at the time, I purchased the copy (my 2nd) we had in stock instead of sending it back. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: ordinary fanfares playlist #3 Date: 04 Apr 2001 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) ordinary fanfares playlist #2 - april 3, 2001 wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // www.wmfo.org 1. neil hamburger: the x-rated hot dog vendor [america's funnyman CD - drag city] 2. dark noerd: smokin' husks [gummo soundtrack CD - innerstate/london] 3. sun ra: the wind speaks [my brother the wind volume 2 CD - evidence] 4. stephen p. mcgreevy: 3, 4, 5 [auroral chorus ii: music of the magnetosphere CD] 5. bruce haack: program me/chant of the unicorn [hush little robot CD - q.d.k. media] 6. wolf eyes: black rows [wolf eyes CD - bulb] 7. burzum: burzum [filosofem CD - misanthropy records] 8. atsuhiro ito: voltage [atsuhiro ito CD-R - omega point] 9. augst/carl/korn: polke [blank CD - fmp] 10. george perkins and the silver stars: crying in the streets [down & out: the sad soul of the black south CD - trikont] 11. iggy pop & james williamson: sell your love [kill city CD - bomp!] 12. mats gustafsson: success in dromme ii [the education of lars jerry CD - xeric] 13. fennesz: 010 [plus forty seven degrees 56'37" minus sixteen degrees 51'08" CD - mego] 14. robert ashley: she was a visitor [automatic writing CD - lovely] 15. jpt scare band: king rat [sleeping sickness CD - monster records] 16. ol' dirty bastard: i can't wait (acappella) [got your money CD-single - elektra] 17. willem breuker: continuous c sharp [lunch concert for three barrel organs LP - icp] 18. bernard parmegiani: et apres.. [pop eclectic CD - plate lunch] 19. muller/sugimoto: snow pocket [i am happy if you are happy CD - for4ears] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Gatzen Subject: Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast Date: 04 Apr 2001 09:34:04 -0700 (PDT) I would be interested as well...let me know --- JanZorn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/3/01 3:17:12 PM Central > Daylight Time, > a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on > John Zorn is > > >broadcast > > > > today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC). > The BBC will be broadcasting > > > > parts II-IV the following three weeks. > > > > Did anybody tape this? > > > > I'd be interested in this recording as well, if > anyone has it. > Jan > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-wen Lu Subject: Re: ruins medleys Date: 05 Apr 2001 00:46:48 +0800 > I know about the Ruins' prog rock medley from "Refusal Fossil", and just > found their classical medley on the internet. What is the name of the album > this is from, and where can you buy it? Also, I remember someone saying they > do other medleys on this album, what are they? The other one is "Hard Rock Medley". All three tracks are available on the Japanese edition of Ruins' "Pallaschtom" CD. You can order it from Yoshida directly for $20(including postage). Also available are one Ruins "Improvisations" CD-R and Yoshida's solo "an Etude" CD-R. Jan-wen Lu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: brainwashed.com doomed Date: 04 Apr 2001 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) I consider this a real misfortune; I will be very sad to see this site go. All those interested in experimental musics could do worse than to check it out in the last week of its life-span: http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv04i12.html "After five years of not making any money, Brainwashed dot com is closing down. We have unfortunately become the latest fatality in the dot-com death of 2001. The domain will be sold to Miramax Pictures, who are filming a remake of the German film, "Brainwashed" featuring Parker Posey, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Nell Carter. The web site will cease operations on April 16th, five years to the day of its opening. Band websites will be farmed out to corporate sites which will not feature any of our archives, pictures, discographies and clips. Thanks to everybody who made it work so long, so well, but in the end nobody we liked wanted to advertise with us and we just couldn't keep up with the expenses." Of course, the good news is that Phillip Seymour Hoffman will be in the movie. And Nell Carter is making a comeback! -----s, enjoys P.S. Hoffman, but not quite as much as Brainwashed.com ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Gunning" Subject: Re: brainwashed.com doomed Date: 04 Apr 2001 13:39:32 -0500 > I consider this a real misfortune; I will be very sad > to see this site go. All those interested in > experimental musics could do worse than to check it > out in the last week of its life-span: I *think* this was just a grim April fools day joke. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: leo smith's golden quartet Date: 04 Apr 2001 13:26:28 -0800 Leo Smith's Golden Quartet looks great on paper -- can anybody offer comments on Smith's playing and the ensemble approach? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn/Satlah at Cargo April 2 Date: 04 Apr 2001 17:19:33 EDT --part1_a6.12450736.27fce9e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/4/01 7:07:59 AM Central Daylight Time, wilsonah@hotmail.com writes: > Despite a request for hush the BBC bods here on a freebie kept on > yakking at the back, a situation which pissed Zorn off a bit, pausing once > to make talk-talk signals with his hand before picking up where he left > off....... > He also told an annoying gimp > with a camera not to take any fuckin' photos A man after my own heart...I love it. Jan --part1_a6.12450736.27fce9e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/4/01 7:07:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
wilsonah@hotmail.com writes:


Despite a request for hush the BBC bods here on a freebie kept on
yakking at the back, a situation which pissed Zorn off a bit, pausing once
to make talk-talk signals with his hand before picking up where he left
off.......
He also told an annoying gimp
with a camera not to take any fuckin' photos
A man after my own heart...I love it.
Jan --part1_a6.12450736.27fce9e5_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: Zorn/Satlah at Cargo April 2 Date: 04 Apr 2001 23:58:20 +0200 only an attempt ????? Alastair Wilson wrote: > Zorn did an attempt at circular breathing, Greetings, Rob@llaert.NU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "toulab" Subject: Chicago and various Date: 04 Apr 2001 22:24:04 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0BD55.F51A8680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few updates and questions from the city with wind, first the = questions: 1) A friend of mine told me YBO2 will be touring the USA this year with = Jim O'Rourke. Any confirmation on this from=20 anybody. I know O'Rourke joined this band for a while in Tokyo? 2) Has Susie Ibarra changed her trio ensemble? I saw a posting with = players other than Cooper Moore and Charles Burnham. 3) Whats the consensus on Vision Fest this year? I like what I see. 4) Peter Brotzman, Fred Anderson, William Parker and Hamid Drake at the = Empty Bottle Fest in June this year here in Chicago. This is great = news!!! 5) Phil Niblock will be collaborating with Kevin Drumm and others in = June. Chicago dates Unconfirmed. Lastly, Kurt, at what number can I reach you during the day. All the best, Paul Fox =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0BD55.F51A8680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few updates and questions from the city with wind, = first the=20 questions:
 
1) A friend of mine told me YBO2 will be touring the = USA this=20 year with Jim O'Rourke.  Any confirmation on this from =
anybody.  I know O'Rourke joined this band for = a while in=20 Tokyo?
2) Has Susie Ibarra changed her trio = ensemble?  I=20 saw a posting with players other than Cooper Moore and Charles=20 Burnham.
3) Whats the consensus on Vision Fest this = year?  I=20 like what I see.
4) Peter Brotzman, Fred Anderson, William = Parker and=20 Hamid Drake at the Empty Bottle Fest in June this year here in=20 Chicago.  This is great news!!!
5) Phil Niblock will be collaborating with = Kevin Drumm=20 and others in June. Chicago dates Unconfirmed.
 
Lastly, Kurt, at what number can I reach you during = the=20 day.
 
All the best,
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0BD55.F51A8680-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Chicago and various Date: 04 Apr 2001 22:53:47 -0400 on 01.04.05 1:24 AM, toulab at toulab@email.msn.com mewled endlessly: > 2) Has Susie Ibarra changed her trio ensemble? I saw a posting with players > other than Cooper Moore and Charles Burnham. It's a separate animal. w/ Courvoisier and Leandre. (!!!) That's my share, RL ---------- Sessionographies: ~~~ CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: ~~~ COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things --Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--The Interview--ETC. all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Chicago and various Date: 05 Apr 2001 06:00:50 +0200 > It's a separate animal. w/ Courvoisier and Leandre. (!!!) > the latter will be the subject of my next book hopefully... collecting material... what more do you know??? Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Chicago and various Date: 05 Apr 2001 00:24:05 EDT In a message dated 4/4/01 10:57:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bb10k@velocity.net writes: > on 01.04.05 1:24 AM, toulab at toulab@email.msn.com mewled endlessly: > > > 2) Has Susie Ibarra changed her trio ensemble? > > It's a separate animal. w/ Courvoisier and Leandre. (!!!) Euro only, but it would be divine if they can reconstitute the trio stateside next year, after Sylvie's allowed back in the country. In a message dated 4/5/01 12:06:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fmartinelli@tin.it writes: > the latter will be the subject of my next book hopefully... You mean Leandre? Tell us more... David np: Sean Bergin & Ernst Reijseger, Mistakes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ethan Clauset Subject: Re: Chicago and various Date: 05 Apr 2001 00:57:54 -0400 (EDT) www.lampo.org has info on a phil niblock show in chicago: with Thomas Buckner, Niki Mitchell, Fred Lonberg-Holm & Michael Colligan May 19 8pm The Renaissance Society as well as the AMM dates coming up soon! ethan > 5) Phil Niblock will be collaborating with Kevin Drumm and others in = > June. Chicago dates Unconfirmed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Kendrick" Subject: Keith Rowe/Presocratics Date: 04 Apr 2001 21:54:32 +0100 > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3069266073_161337_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Of note to Zorn Listers in the Pacific Northwest: KEITH ROWE - solo Special Guests PRESOCRATICS Prepared/table-top guitar, electronics, and shortwave radio innovator Keith Rowe makes a rare Northwest solo appearance along with special guests Presocratics (from Seattle and New York) on Thursday, April 12 at 9pm at th= e Conduit Studio, 918 SW Yamhill St. in Portland, Oregon. Tickets are $10 at the door. Call 503-231-1921 for more information. =B3Rowe is scrambling around in the bushes, making his guitar strings coruscade, opening a viewfinder on melting ice, briefly tinging the air wit= h rogue radio waves, before sinking into a sub aquatic engine room and lumbering around in scrap metal =B3 -The Wire (UK) The evening will open with a performance by Presocratics, just back last week from a month-long, WIRE magazine sponsored European tour. Having created a stir in the cassette underground, Presocratics first surfaced wit= h their debut CD last year, Works and Days, on Table of the Elements. Presocratics are Seattle resident Need Thomas Windham (analog creation) and New York denizen Jon Philpot (digital production). Their brand spanking ne= w CD EP, Presocratics Serve Imperialism, is out now, also on Table of the Elements. "If Gastr del Sol were Led Zeppelin, then Presocratics are Black Sabbath. Or, in even more meaningless terms: If Gastr del Sol were Nathaniel Hawthorne and the sophisticated moralism of his age, then Presocratics are the autodidactic posturing of Edgar Allan Poe." - Village Voice --MS_Mac_OE_3069266073_161337_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Keith Rowe/Presocratics
Of note to Zorn Listers in th= e Pacific Northwest:

KEITH ROWE - solo
Special Guests PRESOCRATICS

Prepared/table-top guitar, electronics, and shortwave radio innovator = Keith Rowe makes a rare Northwest solo appearance along with special guests = Presocratics (from Seattle and New York) on Thursday, April 12 at 9pm at the= Conduit Studio, 918 SW Yamhill St. in Portland, Oregon.  Tickets are $= 10 at the door.  Call 503-231-1921 for more information.

=B3Rowe is scrambling around in the bushes, making his guitar strings corusca= de, opening a viewfinder on melting ice, briefly tinging the air with rogue = radio waves, before sinking into a sub aquatic engine room and lumbering aro= und in scrap metal =B3
-The Wire (UK)

The evening will open with a performance by Presocratics, just back= last week from a month-long, WIRE magazine sponsored European tour. &= nbsp;Having created a stir in the cassette underground, Presocratics= first surfaced with their debut CD last year, Works and Days, on Table of t= he Elements.  Presocratics are Seattle resident Need Thomas Windham (an= alog creation) and New York denizen Jon Philpot (digital production).  = Their brand spanking new CD EP, Presocratics Serve Imperialism, is out now, = also on Table of the Elements.

"If Gastr del Sol were Led Zeppelin, then Presocratics are Black Sabba= th. Or, in even more meaningless terms: If Gastr del Sol were Nathaniel Hawt= horne and the sophisticated moralism of his age, then Presocratics are the a= utodidactic posturing of Edgar Allan Poe."
 - Village Voice



--MS_Mac_OE_3069266073_161337_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: 2 Fuse cds Date: 05 Apr 2001 15:18:37 +1000 Just curious about two discs (ie. what they are like, whether they are any good, etc.). I believe they are both on the Fuse label... - Christian Marclay, I think it was called something like "More Encores", where he creates collages using the work of Strauss, Zorn, Frith, Callas, Gainsbourg... - "Excuse Me Mr Satie", but I've forgotten the artists' names! But I remember it was a duo, reeds and piano... Thanks, Julian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Chicago and various Date: 05 Apr 2001 07:26:49 +0200 > You mean Leandre? Tell us more... > collecting material in order to release a discography with comments and visual material along the lines of my Braxton and Schiano books... awaiting news from a possible founding body in France. Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: leo smith's golden quartet Date: 05 Apr 2001 03:27:38 EDT Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes: > Leo Smith's Golden Quartet looks great on paper -- can anybody offer > comments on Smith's playing and the ensemble approach? i'm terrible at describing music, so I will simply say that this is a great album and the playing is excellent--one of my favorite releases from last year. IMO, it's also better than 'Tao-Njia' (1996) and 'Golden Hearts Remembrance' ('97), although both of them are also worth picking up. 'Yo Miles!' is an acquired taste--namely that you dig "electric" Miles--and a very long album at almost 160 minutes (although in sum 8 hours was recorded, according to Nels Cline). I just ordered his solo album 'Kulture Jazz' which i'm looking forward to, and still haven't heard 'Condor, Autumn Wind' ('98), 'Light Upon Light' ('99) or 'Reflectativity' (2000), the last two on Tzadik. I'm glad Leo has been (relatively) well-recorded in the last few years, for he's a major talent. jeff caltabiano n.p. the legendary marvin pontiac: greatest hits (1999, strange & beautiful music) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Chicago and various Date: 05 Apr 2001 06:29:10 -0400 At 10:24 PM 4/4/01 -0700, toulab wrote: >>>> A few updates and questions from the city with wind, first the questions: 4) Peter Brotzman, Fred Anderson, William Parker and Hamid Drake at the Empty Bottle Fest in June this year here in Chicago. This is great news!!! <<<< This lineup was announced for the Friday night Empty Bottle Festival in *April*, but has been cancelled and replaced with Brotzmann and Drake duo. In addition, the web site also lists a Guillermo Gregorio trio on the same night, and this has been replaced with the Mars Williams Group featuring Luther Thomas. None of this is on the mt bottle web site, but I ordered tickets in advance, and got a lineup change notice from Ticketweb this week. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Drury Subject: Feldman (Morton) in Boston Date: 05 Apr 2001 06:47:21 -0400 Morton Feldman's last work will be performed in Boston at New England Conservatory, Brown Hall, Monday, April 9, 2001 8pm free Morton Feldman: "Piano, Violin, Viola, Cello" The Callithumpian All-Stars: Stephen Drury, piano; Monica Pegis, violin; Elizabeth Freivogel, viola; Rafael Popper-Keizer, cello With special guests: undr quartet James Coleman - theremin; Vic Rawlings - cello; Liz Tonne - voice; Greg Kelley - trumpet --steve updated info on the Summer Institute for Contemporary Piano Performance at http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rosenstein" Subject: Re: leo smith's golden quartet Date: 05 Apr 2001 08:29:18 -0400 It's great that Leo Smith has had such a strong resurgance. He has had more recordings come out in the last few years than he has had since the demise of his Kabell label. The Golden Quartet is one of those rare instances where the music actually lives up to its potential. Davis plays with all the energy and passion of his great India Navigation LPs and this is probably the best recorded playing of DeJohnette in a long while. (None of the "world music" noodling he has fallen into as of late.) Smith is pushed in intriguing ways in this setting. His music is still shaped by his approach to compositional space, but there is a stronger feeling of propulsive drive that kicks things along. (I haven't heard the new Matt Shipp with Smith yet, but I expect that the general feeling is somewhat similar.) I would, also recommend "Reflectativity". The trio with Davis and Favors has a markedly different feel than the Quartet. Here, the improvisation is all about space and the open interaction of the three voices. It is not quite as good as the initial version of this piece on Kabell, but is certainly worth checking out. Speaking of Smith, has anyone heard about the status of Revanent's rumored box set reissue of Smith's Kabell recordings? Michael Rosenstein michaelr@world.std.com or mjrosenstein@hotmail.com >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:26:28 -0800 >From: "Martin Wisckol" >Subject: leo smith's golden quartet > >Leo Smith's Golden Quartet looks great on paper -- can anybody offer >comments on Smith's playing and the ensemble approach? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rosenstein" Subject: Re: leo smith's golden quartet Date: 05 Apr 2001 08:29:13 -0400 It's great that Leo Smith has had such a strong resurgance. He has had more recordings come out in the last few years than he has had since the demise of his Kabell label. The Golden Quartet is one of those rare instances where the music actually lives up to its potential. Davis plays with all the energy and passion of his great India Navigation LPs and this is probably the best recorded playing of DeJohnette in a long while. (None of the "world music" noodling he has fallen into as of late.) Smith is pushed in intriguing ways in this setting. His music is still shaped by his approach to compositional space, but there is a stronger feeling of propulsive drive that kicks things along. (I haven't heard the new Matt Shipp with Smith yet, but I expect that the general feeling is somewhat similar.) I would, also recommend "Reflectativity". The trio with Davis and Favors has a markedly different feel than the Quartet. Here, the improvisation is all about space and the open interaction of the three voices. It is not quite as good as the initial version of this piece on Kabell, but is certainly worth checking out. Speaking of Smith, has anyone heard about the status of Revanent's rumored box set reissue of Smith's Kabell recordings? Michael Rosenstein michaelr@world.std.com or mjrosenstein@hotmail.com >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:26:28 -0800 >From: "Martin Wisckol" >Subject: leo smith's golden quartet > >Leo Smith's Golden Quartet looks great on paper -- can anybody offer >comments on Smith's playing and the ensemble approach? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Heart of darkness - Orson Welles Date: 05 Apr 2001 13:34:49 +0100 (WET DST) Does anyone know if there's a recording (the recording surely exists but is it available?) of Orson Welles reading "Heart of darkness" by Joseph Conrad? greets, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reaboi@aol.com Subject: susie ibarra's trio Date: 05 Apr 2001 08:42:18 EDT susie has changed her trio to include jenn choi and craig taborn. I don't know if they'll be doing the same tunes, but the approach will probably vbe similar. for more info re: susie and her projects, see www.susieibarra.com cheers, Dave np: Duke Ellington "Afro-Bossa" (Reprise) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: new bryars release Date: 05 Apr 2001 08:53:41 -0400 Has anyone heard the new Gavin Bryars release "Biped" on his own freshly = minted label (GB Records) ? I'll most likely be picking it up but am = always interested in what the zornsters have to say. Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: RE: Heart of darkness - Orson Welles Date: 05 Apr 2001 13:56:46 +0100 (WET DST) On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, [iso-8859-1] "Vuilleumier, St=E9phane" wrote: > Google search >=20 > http://ord.posoe.com/mtr/welles.htm >=20 > 39$95 >=20 > sounds interesting >=20 > Stephane=09=09=09=09=09 =09thanx! =09=09 =20 Ricardo Reis =09=09=09 "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Heart of darkness - Orson Welles Date: 05 Apr 2001 15:37:57 +0200 Make sure you also search the item you might be interested in on Amazon.com - the prices seem to be cheaper... patRice np: Miles Davis, Miles In The Sky nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo: Secrets Of A Strange Art... Ricardo Reis wrote: > On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, [iso-8859-1] "Vuilleumier, St=E9phane" wrote: > > > Google search > > > > http://ord.posoe.com/mtr/welles.htm > > > > 39$95 > > > > sounds interesting > > > > Stephane > > thanx! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: leo smith's golden quartet Date: 05 Apr 2001 16:43:56 +0200 (CEST) Hi Martin, The Golden Quartet was one of my first choices for that 2000 top ten we did. It was some of the most wonderful discoverings I made during the last months. Their Tzadik release is really a good listening that mixes "freer" stuff with quiet compositions, specially that dedicated to Leo's wife -I don't remember the title but it's the second tune. Smith's playing can be really soft and delicate to turn into amazing fireworks just in seconds. The themes usually develop as soloing improv rounds,but don't be scared, nothing is about virtuosism. If you like DeJohnette, I promise his work here won't dissappoint you. If you like this one, you can also try Smith's "Reflectability", also on Tzadik. Same line-up but no drums. Best regards, Efrén --- Martin Wisckol escribió: > Fecha: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:26:28 -0800 > Asunto: leo smith's golden quartet > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > De: "Martin Wisckol" > > > Leo Smith's Golden Quartet looks great on paper -- > can anybody offer > comments on Smith's playing and the ensemble > approach? > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: The gift Date: 05 Apr 2001 16:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Hello everyone, I just got Zorn's The Gift and after repeated listenings I must firmly state my certain disappointment. As someone said before, no surprises came out of my CD player except for certain nice moments, like the last surfy theme and maybe that with Patton on "vocals". Maybe there was too much expectation but this certainly is not what Naked City fans had been waiting at all. I don't mean I don't like it but in spite of creating such a list of collaborators, maybe Zorn should have taken more care of the compositions. I just can't figure out some of them. It's got its highlights though. Maybe next time. Greetings, Efrén del VAlle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alastair Wilson" Subject: Re: Zorn/Satlah at Cargo April 2 Date: 05 Apr 2001 15:21:11 -0000 Let's just say that Evan Parker makes a rather better job of it... > >only an attempt ????? > >Alastair Wilson wrote: >>Zorn did an attempt at circular breathing, > >Greetings, > >Rob@llaert.NU > >- > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Re: the gift Date: 05 Apr 2001 08:28:58 -0700 (PDT) --0-497610080-986484538=:3950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I didn't understand the Naked City comparrison either... I do like the album, though.... Some tracks are certainly better than others, though... Dave Douglas performs nicely on the album's highlight (for me) track six... Marc Ribot does nothing but dazzle my ears anytime he plays... This seems to be more of a Filmworks album than the follow up to Taboo and Exile... and the Naked City remarks brought a host of premeditated ideas that did not materialize... -That which is Theo "My philosophy, in essense, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." An individualist is a man who says: "I will not run anyone else's life, nor let anyone rule mine. I will not rule or be ruled. I will not sacrifice myself for anyone, nor sacrifice anyone to myself." --Ayn Rand. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-497610080-986484538=:3950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii       I didn't understand the Naked City comparrison either... I do like the album, though.... Some tracks are certainly better than others, though... Dave Douglas performs nicely on the album's highlight (for me) track six... Marc Ribot does nothing but dazzle my ears anytime he plays... This seems to be more of a Filmworks album than the follow up to Taboo and Exile... and the Naked City remarks brought a host of premeditated ideas that did not materialize...

-That which is Theo     "My philosophy, in essense, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."

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Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-497610080-986484538=:3950-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: ruins medleys Date: 05 Apr 2001 15:36:06 -0000 >Also available are one Ruins >"Improvisations" CD-R and Yoshida's solo "an Etude" CD-R. I'm pretty curious what these are like. Anyboy heard them or are you all sick and tired of CD-Rs? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: 2 Fuse cds Date: 06 Apr 2001 01:51:49 +1000 Since my original email, I have discovered that the two cds I mentioned are not on the Fuse label after all. The reason I thought they were is that they'd been put in that section in the shop I saw them in. Anyway, cdnow has clips from "More Encores" and that sounds pretty interesting. But if anyone can give me a description/recommendation for "Excuse Me Mr Satie", that would be much appreciated... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: 2 Fuse cds Date: 05 Apr 2001 12:58:16 -0400 Julian asked: Just curious about two discs (ie. what they are like, whether they are any good, etc.). I believe they are both on the Fuse label... - - Christian Marclay, I think it was called something like "More Encores", where he creates collages using the work of Strauss, Zorn, Frith, Callas,Gainsbourg... ...Hendrix, Cage, Armstrong, and himself. I have a couple others by him, but this is the one I come back to, since it works very well as a concept. Each track is in its own way a tribute to one artist/composer. With the Strauss he "zooms" the turntables in time with the music. The remix of Gainsbourg's "Je T'aime" plays with its "eroticism". For the Cage piece he actually cut up LPs and reassembled them; the resulting record is what you hear. For Louis Armstrong, he used several old windup record players. The Zorn piece sounds like ... a Zorn piece. It's very clever. Glenn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Berne's Quicksand Date: 05 Apr 2001 13:35:53 EDT Did anyone catch any of the recent shows of Tim Berne's Quicksand in Europe ? Any reviews ? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: Bible Launcher Date: 05 Apr 2001 17:36:21 >anyone know what the deal is with this CD? I can't >remember why it was recalled by Koch shortly after >it's release. As a smart record store employee at the >time, I purchased the copy (my 2nd) we had in stock >instead of sending it back. Now it is on the Radical House label (they have a web site, don't know it off hand). That version has some extra tracks. There is also a sequel on the same label. I bought those from 99 Hooker, and he told me the story about it being pulled -- the ever-reliable Steve Smith had all the details before in his last post. The other thing is that Zorn gave them back the tapes for the band to do whatever they wanted, and they thank him in the liner notes, for whatever that's worth. I wish I cold find something more like the live performance I saw by him (99 Hooker). Really surreal, disturbed, funny spoken-word monologues/rants, plus actual good screaming saxophone playing (he was with a drummer who played through an amp with reverb). Actually that was one of the best shows I saw all last year ... WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: the gift Date: 05 Apr 2001 19:39:28 +0200 (CEST) Absolutely, Theo! It also reminded me of Filmworks VI first score, the one for the Mailman film -can't remember the title- and even brought to my mind the second theme on "Radio" with that Frisell's surf guitar. --- Theo Klaase escribió: > Fecha: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:28:58 -0700 (PDT) > De: Theo Klaase > Asunto: Re: the gift > Para: Zorn List > > I didn't understand the Naked City comparrison > either... I do like the album, though.... Some > tracks are certainly better than others, though... > Dave Douglas performs nicely on the album's > highlight (for me) track six... Marc Ribot does > nothing but dazzle my ears anytime he plays... This > seems to be more of a Filmworks album than the > follow up to Taboo and Exile... and the Naked City > remarks brought a host of premeditated ideas that > did not materialize... > > > -That which is Theo "My philosophy, in essense, > is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his > own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with > productive achievement as his noblest activity, and > reason as his only absolute." > > An individualist is a man who says: "I will not run > anyone else's life, nor let anyone rule mine. I > will not rule or be ruled. I will not sacrifice > myself for anyone, nor sacrifice anyone to myself." > --Ayn Rand. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own > domain with Yahoo! Mail. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Shockabilly Question Date: 05 Apr 2001 17:41:55 I keep seeing a listing on various sites for "FOREST: AUTHORIZED MUSICAL BIOGRAPHY" by Shockabilly (that would be E Chadbourne, Kramer, David Licht) that is apparently a box set or some such collection on Shimmy Disc. It supposedly a box set, but I have seen no physical evidence of this not have I heard any updates from Shimmy-Disc (not that any of the Knit-related sites are ever updated) or the Chadbourne headquarters. Does anone know anthing aobut this?? Thank yous, WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: RE: Bible launcher Date: 05 Apr 2001 14:57:50 -0400 (EDT) the always lucid and informed ssmith has the story right, as i've heard it. postscript, tho: to zorn's credit, the musicians (incl. hooker 99) got the masters back, no questions asked, no money down, to release wherever they could. most labels woulda just sat on it. bye. kg FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: makigami koichi live in NYC tomorrow Date: 05 Apr 2001 16:10:41 EDT I can't go to this, and I'm not sure exactly what it is, but Koichi is one of my favorite live performers in the world. if anyone goes, please report back as to how it was. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com Soundoff: The First in a Series of New Sound Performances Curated by Neil Benezra Friday, April 6, 2001, 7-9 pm Scott Fulmer: "Aural Landscape in 3 Parts" (USA) Makigami Koichi: Throat Singing (Japan) Karl Leitgeb: "The Early Night Radio Show" (Austria) AC Project Room 453 West 17th Street, 2nd floor New York, NY 10011 (212) 645-4970 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: makigami koichi live in NYC tomorrow Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:10:41 +0200 (CEST) I can't go to this, and I'm not sure exactly what it is, but Koichi is one of my favorite live performers in the world. if anyone goes, please report back as to how it was. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com Soundoff: The First in a Series of New Sound Performances Curated by Neil Benezra Friday, April 6, 2001, 7-9 pm Scott Fulmer: "Aural Landscape in 3 Parts" (USA) Makigami Koichi: Throat Singing (Japan) Karl Leitgeb: "The Early Night Radio Show" (Austria) AC Project Room 453 West 17th Street, 2nd floor New York, NY 10011 (212) 645-4970 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 05 Apr 2001 14:34:39 -0700 (PDT) --- Grey ElkGel wrote: > > Besides, sometimes I like the wanky guitar solos - > > the more ridiculous, the better! > > i agree there. Before the metal/no-wave thread grows cold, does anyone have input on the band Chrome? They sound interesting, in theory, but not having heard them. Sounds like early industrial with lots of shredding and tape/samples, etc. Also, I got This Heat's MADE AVAILABLE and was knocked out by the first several tracks. I have to get the earlier, out of print stuff, but in the meantime: are there any bands working this territory that I might like, esp. bands now working? On similar note, are there any groups working now that really carry on the best of the disturbing This Heat-type prog (?) and the early Kraut triumphs, without simply aping those advances? Sorry for the vagueness of the question. I should've just asked for bands that sound like This Heat, but I thought that'd be vulgar. ----s, skirting vulgarity, heh P.S. Don Gunning was right: Brainwashed.com is _not_ clsing its doors, or at least not on April 16, or at least they're not planning on it. Just so know, if you care. And you should. NP: Minit - MUSIC (Sigma Editions) ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Ong Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 05 Apr 2001 17:11:20 -0400 I don't have the 2 records with me, so this info could be off a little... but there's a band you shld check out called the Starfuckers (hmm, I think that's the name). They remind me of This Heat but without all the rocking out. Much more low-key with just a sampler, guitar, and drums (again, working from memory here). I think they're from Italy, so the lyrics are spoken/moaned in a langauge that is not English. Boooo. Their last release off Drunken Fish was pretty good. -eric. Scott Handley wrote: > --- Grey ElkGel wrote: > > > Besides, sometimes I like the wanky guitar solos - > > > > the more ridiculous, the better! > > > > i agree there. > > Before the metal/no-wave thread grows cold, does > anyone have input on the band Chrome? They sound > interesting, in theory, but not having heard them. > Sounds like early industrial with lots of shredding > and tape/samples, etc. Also, I got This Heat's MADE > AVAILABLE and was knocked out by the first several > tracks. I have to get the earlier, out of print > stuff, but in the meantime: are there any bands > working this territory that I might like, esp. bands > now working? On similar note, are there any groups > working now that really carry on the best of the > disturbing This Heat-type prog (?) and the early Kraut > triumphs, without simply aping those advances? Sorry > for the vagueness of the question. I should've just > asked for bands that sound like This Heat, but I > thought that'd be vulgar. > > ----s, skirting vulgarity, heh > > P.S. Don Gunning was right: Brainwashed.com is _not_ > clsing its doors, or at least not on April 16, or at > least they're not planning on it. Just so know, if > you care. And you should. > > NP: Minit - MUSIC (Sigma Editions) > > ===== > "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... > Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" > ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: makigami koichi live in NYC tomorrow Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:10:41 +0200 (CEST) I can't go to this, and I'm not sure exactly what it is, but Koichi is one of my favorite live performers in the world. if anyone goes, please report back as to how it was. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com Soundoff: The First in a Series of New Sound Performances Curated by Neil Benezra Friday, April 6, 2001, 7-9 pm Scott Fulmer: "Aural Landscape in 3 Parts" (USA) Makigami Koichi: Throat Singing (Japan) Karl Leitgeb: "The Early Night Radio Show" (Austria) AC Project Room 453 West 17th Street, 2nd floor New York, NY 10011 (212) 645-4970 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: Heart of darkness - Orson Welles Date: 04 Apr 2001 19:53:43 -0400 MEEP! Ricardo Reis wrote: >Does anyone know if there's a recording (the recording surely >exists but is it available?) of Orson Welles reading "Heart of darkness" >by Joseph Conrad? I know that a couple of references to the Theatre of the Imagination disc from Voyager Press have already been posted, but it's probably worth mentioning that, Voyager being Voyager, this title was released in scads of different formats. I've just found a good 'n' cheap copy of the laserdisc on eBay, and it was also released as one of their early CD-ROM titles; scouring the bargain bins at bookstores might very well turn a copy up after a while. For what it's worth, though, the reading in question is pretty ludicrously short for its contents, and it could be (less-than-generously) described as being incomprehensible. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dwayne Subject: The Gift pulled in Canada? Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:15:39 -0400 I just got back from my local music store and the guy there told me that the Gift had been pulled from shelves in Canada. He said he was told the FBI were looking into it? What's the deal with this? Thats two of his Tzadik releases pulled from shelves here in less than 6 months. I don't care I already have them just curious what is so offensive about them. Anybody here offended by the artwork? -Dwayne efrén del valle wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I just got Zorn's The Gift and after repeated > listenings I must firmly state my certain > disappointment. > > As someone said before, no surprises came out of my CD > player except for certain nice moments, like the last > surfy theme and maybe that with Patton on "vocals". > > Maybe there was too much expectation but this > certainly is not what Naked City fans had been waiting > at all. I don't mean I don't like it but in spite of > creating such a list of collaborators, maybe Zorn > should have taken more care of the compositions. > I just can't figure out some of them. > > It's got its highlights though. > > Maybe next time. Greetings, > > Efrén del VAlle > > _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con > Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es > > - -- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Gift pulled in Canada? Date: 05 Apr 2001 21:05:37 -0500 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:15:39PM -0400, Dwayne wrote: > I just got back from my local music store and the guy there told me that the Gift had been > pulled from shelves in Canada. He said he was told the FBI were looking into it? What's > the deal with this? Thats two of his Tzadik releases pulled from shelves here in less > than 6 months. I don't care I already have them just curious what is so offensive about > them. Anybody here offended by the artwork? Not offended personally -- but I sure am keeping it in the paper sleeve here at work. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:42:41 -0400 At 02:34 PM 4/5/01 -0700, Scott Handley wrote: > >Before the metal/no-wave thread grows cold, does >anyone have input on the band Chrome? They sound >interesting, in theory, but not having heard them. There's a name I haven't thought of in years. I liked their album Alien Soundtracks so much that it took me several other releases of trying to get that sound again before I realized it wasn't happening. Alien Soundtracks was one of the few albums they made as a quartet, so perhaps it was the combination of all the players that makes it stand out in my mind. As I remember, when they later became a duo, the music was much less interesting. Funny you should mention This Heat, their album Deceit was on the player today. For me that one wears better than the first one, or at least the songs stuck in my head better. Sometimes I think Tortoise is moving in the same territory (although I don't like Standards as much as some of their earlier stuff). -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: The Gift pulled in Canada? Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:52:38 EDT --part1_75.12b3d644.27fe8976_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/01 9:13:47 PM Central Daylight Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: > He said he was told the FBI were looking into it? That's odd. What in the world would the FBI need to look into it for? I can't think of one law that the FBI would want to address...where is your local music store? Are you in Canada? I'm curious! :) Jan --part1_75.12b3d644.27fe8976_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/01 9:13:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
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He said he was told the FBI were looking into it?  
That's odd. What in the world would the FBI need to look into it for? I can't
think of one law that the FBI would want to address...where is your local
music store? Are you in Canada? I'm curious! :)
Jan --part1_75.12b3d644.27fe8976_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: The Gift pulled in Canada? Date: 05 Apr 2001 23:06:31 EDT Keep in mind that I am half-asleep and have a faulty memory, but when I spoke with Bruce at Downtown Music the other day he told me that many copies of "The Gift" had been recalled because of a packaging error. I don't think it was because the artwork was found to be offensive by the FBI or any other government appointed task squad. From what I understood (and granted, this was a very brief and twice interrupted conversation), the disc had a problem with that wrap-around outer black description thingy (name please?) that accompanies every Tzadik release. "The Gift" wasn't supposed to have one on the outside, and those that did were recalled. 'night, Tom NP: Matthew Shipp "Magnetism" In a message dated 4/5/01 10:01:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thehodgsons@home.com writes: > I just got back from my local music store and the guy there told me that the > Gift had been > pulled from shelves in Canada. He said he was told the FBI were looking > into it? What's > the deal with this? Thats two of his Tzadik releases pulled from shelves > here in less > than 6 months. I don't care I already have them just curious what is so > offensive about > them. Anybody here offended by the artwork? > > > -Dwayne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: This Heat Date: 05 Apr 2001 23:11:44 -0400 "Health and Efficiency" is one of my favorite records ever. Buy immediately. "Repeat," which is packed with it as a twofer, is also really good. Are the full lengths besides "Made Available," um, available, anywhere? -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:34 PM > and tape/samples, etc. Also, I got This Heat's MADE > AVAILABLE and was knocked out by the first several > tracks. I have to get the earlier, out of print > stuff, but in the meantime: are there any bands > working this territory that I might like, esp. bands > now working? On similar note, are there any groups > working now that really carry on the best of the > disturbing This Heat-type prog (?) and the early Kraut > triumphs, without simply aping those advances? Sorry > for the vagueness of the question. I should've just > asked for bands that sound like This Heat, but I > thought that'd be vulgar. > > ----s, skirting vulgarity, heh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: lightning bolt Date: 06 Apr 2001 09:42:40 +0200 Le Jeudi 05 Avril 2001 23:34, Scott Handley a =E9crit : > On similar note, are there any groups > working now that really carry on the best of the > disturbing This Heat-type prog (?) and the early Kraut > triumphs, without simply aping those advances? Sorry > for the vagueness of the question. I should've just > asked for bands that sound like This Heat, but I > thought that'd be vulgar. I remember when I first heard This Heat a few years ago that a lot of the= =20 bands I was listening to at that were heavily influenced by them. Actuall= y,=20 there was a whole bunch of French "post-rock" bands a few years ago that=20 would fit your description very well. The best ones would be Tone Rec (3 albums on Sub Rosa; now they exist as = the=20 glitchy laptop band Dat Politics), Ulan Bator (the first few ones on les=20 Disques du Soleil et de l'Acier, such as "2=B0" and "V=E9g=E9tale"; the l= atest one,=20 "Ego:Echo", is awful), and especially B=E4stard: their second and last al= bum=20 "Radiant, Discharged, Crossed-Off" is essential (the first one is OK but=20 nowhere near as good). It was first issued by Semantic, who then proceede= d to=20 go belly up, and was then reissued by Ici D'ailleurs and should be still=20 available. Lastly, but I think it is out of print, the "File Under Music" compilatio= n LP=20 on Rectangle pairs those bands (B=E4stard, Sister Iodine, Prohibition,=20 H=E9liogabale, Hint) with free jazz musicians (e.g. Daunik Lazro, Yves Ro= bert,=20 Denis Colin, Daunik Lazro) to uneven but often interesting effect. Julien ps -- good luck finding this abroad! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: Heart of darkness - Orson Welles Date: 06 Apr 2001 10:16:41 +0100 (WET DST) > From: Taylor McLaren > For what it's worth, though, the reading in question is pretty > ludicrously short for its contents, and it could be (less-than-generously) > described as being incomprehensible. it's interesting what you say. i've only heard excerpts from the "heart of darkness" documentary film by Alice Coppola on her husbands film "Apocalipse now". i got the idea he was doing a "heavy" dark reading, very suited to the text. can you be more explicity when classifying it as "incomprehensible"? greets, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: the gift (artwork) Date: 06 Apr 2001 03:43:51 -0700 (PDT) --0-923652112-986553831=:17205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wasn't offended in the least... Although at work I keep the "Taboo and Exile" artwork "on the down low..." If art doesn't provoke thought and possibly discussion, then what good is it? It doesn't effect anyone's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness, so what's the big deal... Those who don't like it, move on to the next CD. It only becomes an issue when certain groups of people make an issue of it... Just as the word "shit" is only a meaningless word (like spoon) until some group labels it as "offensive" and then we can't say it at work... ...and then it becomes forbidden fruit, which in turn brings a certain allure all its own. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-923652112-986553831=:17205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii      I wasn't offended in the least... Although at work I keep the "Taboo and Exile" artwork "on the down low..."  If art doesn't provoke thought and possibly discussion, then what good is it?  It doesn't effect anyone's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness, so what's the big deal... Those who don't like it, move on to the next CD.  It only becomes an issue when certain groups of people make an issue of it... Just as the word "shit" is only a meaningless word (like spoon) until some group labels it as "offensive" and then we can't say it at work... ...and then it becomes forbidden fruit, which in turn brings a certain allure all its own. 


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If it is no longer going to be availbale here I feel better knowing I already have a copy. On a bit of a side note, anyone here going to catch any of the Die like A Dog trio shows. There are a number of dates and I plan on heading to Buffalo next Saturday. I remember there being some talk about Brotzmann a week or so ago. I've been listening to 'Little Birds Have Fast Hearts Vol 1' and it's incredible. Just got The Brotzmann/Drake/Kessler in the mail from OKKA yesterday so I will be checking that out any minute now. Here are the dates for the DLAD spring tour posted on the eremite site. 4/7 - nyc: tonic brotzmann/parker - unconfirmed - 4/10 & 11 - montreal: casa del popolo trio 4/13 - boston: i.c.a. trio special guest joe mcphee 4/14 - buffalo: hallwalls trio special guest joe mcphee 4/15 - rochester: bug jar trio 4/16 - ann arbor: firefly club trio 4/17 - bloomington: second story trio 4/19 - chicago: empty bottle brotzmann/drake 4/20 - chicago: empty bottle trio special guest fred anderson 4/22 - milwaukee: brotzmann 4/23 - austin: ceremony hall trio 4/24 - houston: trio 4/25 - nola: contemporary arts center trio special guest kidd jordan 4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake 4/28 - athens: forty watt club brotzmann/drake - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Date: 06 Apr 2001 10:45:44 -0500 > >4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake > For clarity's sake, the Atlanta site for Brotzmann & Drake is First Existentialist Congregation 470 Candler Park Dr NE, Atlanta, GA 30307-2113 Phone: (404)378-5570 which is also where Evan Parker will do his solo performance on Saturday, 21 April. Hope to see some of you there. Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: The Gift pulled in Canada? Date: 06 Apr 2001 18:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Hi Dwayne and all the rest, More than annoying I found the artwork one of the highlights of the record. Design is one of the monthly gifts that Tzadik gives us. I said it was ridiculous to withdraw Taboo & Exile from the shops before, and I maintain that opinion. These things appear to me as a stupid hypocrisy from the authorities that demonstrate their "strong values" in these small things while allowing the actual pedestrians to go on abusing indefense people. Don't worry Dwayne, you're not a pervert by liking these beautiful pics. If you are, I am too. Greetings, Efrén del Valle --- Dwayne escribió: > Fecha: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:15:39 -0400 > De: Dwayne > Responder a: tradingmonkey@yahoo.com > Organización: @Home Network > Para: efrén del valle > CC: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: The Gift pulled in Canada? > > I just got back from my local music store and the > guy there told me that the Gift had been > pulled from shelves in Canada. He said he was told > the FBI were looking into it? What's > the deal with this? Thats two of his Tzadik > releases pulled from shelves here in less > than 6 months. I don't care I already have them > just curious what is so offensive about > them. Anybody here offended by the artwork? > > > -Dwayne > > > efrén del valle wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I just got Zorn's The Gift and after repeated > > listenings I must firmly state my certain > > disappointment. > > > > As someone said before, no surprises came out of > my CD > > player except for certain nice moments, like the > last > > surfy theme and maybe that with Patton on > "vocals". > > > > Maybe there was too much expectation but this > > certainly is not what Naked City fans had been > waiting > > at all. I don't mean I don't like it but in spite > of > > creating such a list of collaborators, maybe Zorn > > should have taken more care of the compositions. > > I just can't figure out some of them. > > > > It's got its highlights though. > > > > Maybe next time. Greetings, > > > > Efrén del VAlle > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de > correo con > > Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es > > > > - > > -- > > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Gatzen Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Date: 06 Apr 2001 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) dang...I wont be there for it...if only it was later on __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: ruinscdrs Date: 06 Apr 2001 12:52:25 -0400 (EDT) >Also available are one Ruins >"Improvisations" CD-R and Yoshida's solo "an Etude" CD-R. I'm pretty curious what these are like. Anyboy heard them or are you all sick and tired of CD-Rs? >>>i didn't see 'an etude' when they were in nyc. the 'improvisations' disc is pretty good, although i prefer the composed ruin stuff. kg FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pierre=20Toussaint?= Subject: The Gift and Canada Date: 06 Apr 2001 14:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Hi Dwayne, don't know where your from but here in Montreal there's no problem finding both "the gift" and "taboo and exile", they're readily available in the small independent stores and even in the monstrous HMV. I know someone who works at Customs Canada. What gets in and what doesn't is left to the arbitrary decision of a human who's culture and upbringing predisposed him to be tolerant or not (and everywhere in between). They are guidelines to what is acceptable or not, but much is left to the person working that day. Two more things. I personally don't find the art work to be offensive, but it certainly can be for people who canonize Britney Spears. The music? I find it very entertaining. That for me is enough to justify that it is a good cd. Reminds me of David Lynch's movie soundtracks. Will I listen to it in six months? I don't know. But I'm still listening to Bar Kokhba, that's for sure. Pierre Toussaint -- «C'est pas parce que ça intéresse que c'est intéressant.» -Boris Vian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Kendrick" Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Date: 06 Apr 2001 11:28:29 +0100 no, you are wrong, the performance was listed correctly at The First Congregational Church. This is the work of presenters Al Smith and Rev. Dwight Andrews. ---------- >From: Moudry >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001, 4:45 PM > > >> >>4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake >> > > For clarity's sake, the Atlanta site for Brotzmann & Drake is > > First Existentialist Congregation > 470 Candler Park Dr NE, > Atlanta, GA 30307-2113 > > Phone: (404)378-5570 > > which is also where Evan Parker will do his solo performance on Saturday, > 21 April. > > Hope to see some of you there. > > Saturnally, > Joe Moudry > Office of Academic Computing & Technology > School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham > > Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): > > Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: > WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham > WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama > WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Date: 06 Apr 2001 14:02:18 -0500 Brad (& Zornsters), Thanks for the correction. Just checked a few references and is is to be in the First Congregational, rather than the (usual hang-out) First Existentialists'. However, I _still_ hope to see lots of folks there. Brotzmann & Drake will be at First Congregational, but Evan Parker's solo concert at First Existentialist. Sorry for any confusion caused be conflating multiple e-mails into incorrect information. Saturnally, Joe Moudry >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:28:29 +0100 >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta >From: "Brad Kendrick" >To: Moudry , zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >no, you are wrong, the performance was listed correctly at The First >Congregational Church. This is the work of presenters Al Smith and Rev. >Dwight Andrews. > >---------- > >From: Moudry > >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001, 4:45 PM > > > > > > >> > >>4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake > >> > > > > For clarity's sake, the Atlanta site for Brotzmann & Drake is > > > > First Existentialist Congregation > > 470 Candler Park Dr NE, > > Atlanta, GA 30307-2113 > > > > Phone: (404)378-5570 > > > > which is also where Evan Parker will do his solo performance on Saturday, > > 21 April. > > > > Hope to see some of you there. > > Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Keith Rowe & Alan Cohen Date: 06 Apr 2001 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Hi all: In the Keith Rowe interview in the latest Wire, he talks about his tenure in a band led by Alan Cohen in the time between leaving the Mike Westbrook Ork and before the formation of AMM. Rowe seems to have been asked to leave Westbrook, but says he found a more sympathetic spirit in Cohen who knew modern classical music. Cohen's seems to be one name that has never come up in histories of British Improvised Music. Was he a player, a band leader or a composer? Did he lead a big jazz band, a small combo, a dance band or a "jazz-rock" group? Who else played with him besides Rowe? And what is he doing now? perplexed Ken Waxman _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Kendrick Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Date: 06 Apr 2001 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Joe and all in the southeast area: just to clarify the presenting situtation in Atlanta - the use of the term "usual hang-out" is a reference to the many, many concert presentations by the Creative Music Association that established that venue in your mind as such. Those shows included artists such as: Brotzmann, Joe McPhee, Rova, Mats Gustafsson, Wolgang Fuchs, William Parker, ALLY Trio + Vandermark, Other Dem. in Music, Fred Van Hove. Later, other presenters began using the space. Al Smith and Rev. Dwight Andrews have extended the vision of that series at the First Congregational Church. Many on this list will recognize Dwight Andrews name as the same multi-reedist who has contributed significantly to the music through his own compositions and collaborations with people like Leo Smith, Braxton, Roscoe Mitchell, Anthony Davis, and others. Interestingly, it was a Brotzmann/Drake show that began in earnest the Creative Music Association's presenting series back in early 1996. Please support the Smith/Andrews vision for the music in the acoustically superlative First Congregational Church. The effort is the same, the names have merely changed. ------Original Message------ Sent: April 6, 2001 7:02:18 PM GMT Brad (& Zornsters), Thanks for the correction. Just checked a few references and is is to be in the First Congregational, rather than the (usual hang-out) First Existentialists'. However, I _still_ hope to see lots of folks there. Brotzmann & Drake will be at First Congregational, but Evan Parker's solo concert at First Existentialist. Sorry for any confusion caused be conflating multiple e-mails into incorrect information. Saturnally, Joe Moudry >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:28:29 +0100 >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta >From: "Brad Kendrick" >To: Moudry , zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >no, you are wrong, the performance was listed correctly at The First >Congregational Church. This is the work of presenters Al Smith and Rev. >Dwight Andrews. > >---------- > >From: Moudry > >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001, 4:45 PM > > > > > > >> > >>4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake > >> > > > > For clarity's sake, the Atlanta site for Brotzmann & Drake is > > > > First Existentialist Congregation > > 470 Candler Park Dr NE, > > Atlanta, GA 30307-2113 > > > > Phone: (404)378-5570 > > > > which is also where Evan Parker will do his solo performance on Saturday, > > 21 April. > > > > Hope to see some of you there. > > Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Vandelaar" Subject: re: The Gift pulled in Canada? Date: 07 Apr 2001 10:29:40 +0930 You think that's bad ... here in Melbourne, Australia, the director's cut of 'The Exorcist' is not being shown on Good Friday as it may offend Christians. And further, no R-rated films are shown on Good Friday or Christmas Day for the same reason!!!! Michael - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen Murphy Subject: wrap-around outer black description thingy Date: 07 Apr 2001 07:49:47 -0400 Tom, I believe that the "wrap-around outer black description thingy" is called an obi, which accompanies all Japanese CDs and LPs. On a side note, Evan Parker is undertaking a brief US tour, including 3 dates with Susie Ibarra. T.M. Jones EVAN PARKER & SUSIE IBARRA DUO: 8pm, Tuesday, April 10th Hamman Hall, Rice University Houston, TX dovedavedove@yahoo.com 8pm, Wednesday, April 11th Ceremony Hall Austin, TX carbuncle@mail.utexas.edu 8pm, Thursday, April 12th Contemporary Arts Center New Orleans, LA anxmf@hotmail.com EVAN PARKER SOLO: 8:30pm, Monday, April 16th The Lobby St. Petersburg, FL mansond@email.spjc.cc.fl.us 8:30pm, Wednesday, April 18th Western Presbyterian Church Washington, DC artsforart@earthlink.net 8pm, Thursday, April 19th Carrboro Century Center Carrboro, NC aimjazz@altavista.net 8:30pm, Friday, April 20th Flicker Theatre Athens, GA gkmm@bellsouth.net 8:30pm, Saturday, April 21st First Existentialist Congregation Atlanta, GA euprod@aol.com 7pm, Sunday, April 22nd Pilgrim Congregational Church Birmingham, AL LSimprov@aol.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: RE: The Gift Date: 07 Apr 2001 14:08:06 +0200 Hi y'all... I received my copy yesterday, and must say I like the CD very much. Nothing new and ground-breaking, but a very enjoyable and entertaining release. Also one to play to your friends/family who are not into Zorn. Besides, I feel this release is worth the money for Ribot's work alone... I just adore his guitar-playing. As for the artwork: doesn't offend me. The fact that it's paintings and not photographs makes quite a bit of a difference, me thinks. patRice np: JZ, The Gift nr: Jeroen Lamers, Japonius Tyrannus - Oda Nobunaga reconsidered - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: Cage/feldman Date: 07 Apr 2001 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Has anyone heard the new Cage prepared piano vol 2 on naxos? any comments? in fact any recommendations to his works written or recorded would be appreciated.(but esp prepared piuano pieces at hte moment. saw a drury cd of cage's music and also by the ensemble modern today.,,) thanks in advance, oh yeah, i found the new morton feldman book a great read.great anecdotes w/ an occassional playful jibe at stockhausen, boulez etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: AMM tour reports? Date: 07 Apr 2001 21:21:13 EDT so the much-anticipated AMM US tour has kicked off, yet we haven't heard about it yet. how did the Colorado show go, Matt? and let's hear some reports on the California, Portland and Chicago shows once they happen also. I need something to tide me over for a few weeks until they make it to the East Coast. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: The Gift and Canada Date: 08 Apr 2001 18:38:14 +0200 (CEST) Reminds me of David Lynch's movie > soundtracks. Will I listen to it in six months? I > don't know. But I'm still listening to Bar Kokhba, > that's for sure. > Pierre Toussaint > -- > After repeated listenings I have concluded that I can't make too many comparisons -at least positive- between the two records you mention. The quality of "the circle maker" is IMHO much higher than that of "The gift". I confess I listened to "the Gift" 5 or 6 times and won't be back in my CD player for a long time. Great disappointment! Greetings, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: The Gift and Canada Date: 08 Apr 2001 18:41:01 +0200 (CEST) Reminds me of David Lynch's movie > soundtracks. Will I listen to it in six months? I > don't know. But I'm still listening to Bar Kokhba, > that's for sure. > Pierre Toussaint > -- > After repeated listenings I have concluded that I can't make too many comparisons -at least positive- between the two records you mention. The quality of "the circle maker" is IMHO much higher than that of "The gift". I confess I listened to "the Gift" 5 or 6 times and won't be back in my CD player for a long time. Great disappointment! By the way, thanks to all of those who included the Michael Marcus 3 "Live in NY" in the top 2000 lists. What an amazing recording! Greetings, Efrén n.p: Peter Brötzmann/Misha Mengelberg/Han Bennink: "3 points and a mountain...plus" (FMP) _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? Date: 08 Apr 2001 19:10:01 -0600 >how did the Colorado show go, Matt? I was delightfully lost in their music for most of the set. At the beginning i didn't feel they were quite together but by about 10:00 they seemed to have found each other (perhaps I percieved this because I didn't close my eyes until this point). The crowd was interesting; most of the audience (C.Springs community and students of Colorado College) had no idea what they were in for. The total performance lasted about 1 hour and twenty minutes. Keith Rowe set up quite a few drone textures which he carefully modified and almost unnoticably eliminated. Their ability to blend volume levels really astonished me. Their transitions between textures were very decisive and smooth. There was a feeling of an ending which the group passed by. Eddie Prevost finished out the performance instead with a 5-10 min gong solo (Keith Rowe was providing a little accompanyment at times). the silence at the end of the performance went on for about 5 minutes before John Tilbury played four notes at which point Keith Rowe turned off his stand light (each member had his own stand light - there was no other stage lighting). The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. Keith Rowe said that he felt that the performance had a good overall form. I thought it was incredible but I had never seen them before. Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: don pullen Date: 09 Apr 2001 21:10:19 -0700 I've recently become quite enamored of Don Pullen's playing (I know -- I'm late on this one). Aside fr Mingus' CHANGES records, what are the best choices for his playing? skip h np: prince -- come - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: don pullen Date: 09 Apr 2001 00:52:49 -0400 For the earliest, "out"est stuff, check out the two Giuseppe Logan discs on ESP. The band also included Eddie Gomez and Milford Graves, and is obviously worth hearing even if it's not among the best examples of any of the sidemen concerned. (It would be great if the Unheard Music Series could find a way to reissue the ridiculously rare self-released duo album that Pullen and Graves put out soon after - I've never even seen this thing.) After this came the stretch with Mingus, of which I think 'Changes 1 & 2' are the best examples. Pullen recorded a fair amount of music under his own name, but for my money, the music he made with tenorist George Adams in the Adams/Pullen Quartet (or, as Blue Note would have it, the Pullen/Adams Quartet) is the fieriest of his career. Adams you'll already know from 'Changes' at the very least, and the remainder of the group was bassist Cameron Brown and longtime Mingus drummer Dannie Richmond. They made a string of records on the Timeless label (including one with guest John Scofield), but I'm most fond of their last four discs. On Soul Note, 'Live at the Village Vanguard' Vol. 1 & 2 give a good impression of an average night with this incredible, raucous, telepathic band. The two on Blue Note, out of print but worth tracking down, are 'Breakthrough' and 'Song Everlasting.' God do I wish I coulda seen that band. It parted ways when Richmond died in 1988; Adams passed in '92. As for the latter Blue Notes under Pullen's name, 'New Beginnings' (a trio date with Gary Peacock and Tony Williams) is good, but not really as good as that lineup should be, mainly because Pullen rather simplified his style here. 'Random Thoughts' with James Genus and Lewis Nash is better. With his next album, 'Kele Mou Bana,' Pullen started adding Native American and African rhythms to the mix, while further simplifying his own sound. Subsequent discs sound increasingly spiritual in a sort of New Age sense, and I have to admit that I personally stopped keeping track of them. But I heard Pullen play with Arthur Blythe shortly before he died in '95, and he remained capable of that unique mix of sanctified gospel and piano shredding brimstone right to the end. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:10 AM I've recently become quite enamored of Don Pullen's playing (I know -- I'm late on this one). Aside fr Mingus' CHANGES records, what are the best choices for his playing? skip h np: prince -- come - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? Date: 09 Apr 2001 02:35:36 EDT nice report, Matt, thanks. one question: << The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. >> was there eventual applause, or just none at all? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? Date: 09 Apr 2001 10:53:32 -0000 ><< The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. >> > >was there eventual applause, or just none at all? Are you total shameless fanboy, or is this something which often happens at AMM concerts? ;-) Seriously, I've never heard them (live or on record) but remember hearing similiar comments before. I'm pussled. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: RE: don pullen Date: 09 Apr 2001 14:02:21 +0200 >I've recently become quite enamored of Don Pullen's playing (I know -- I'm >late on this one). Aside fr Mingus' CHANGES records, what are the best >choices for his playing? > >skip h my Don Pullen favorites are the following: WARRIORS (Black Saint 1978) Don Pullen/Chico Freeman/Fred Hopkins/Bobby Battle MILANO STRUT (Black Saint 1978) Don Pullen/Don Moye THE MAGIC TRIANGLE (Black Saint 1979) Joseph Jarman/Don Pullen/Don Moye Milano Strut has some groovin´ organ playing. Pullen´s work with Marcello Melis and with Roots is nice too... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? Date: 09 Apr 2001 10:29:37 -0600 << The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. >> >was there eventual applause, or just none at all? i almost started it myself but eventually the official promoter began and the whole room started a second later. There was no standing-ovation. The general public was much more mixed in terms of their response to this show than they were in their response toward Le Quan Ninh's performance. Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? Date: 09 Apr 2001 10:41:45 -0600 >Are you total shameless fanboy, or is this something which often happens >at AMM concerts? ;-) I don't know who the fanboy comment was intended for but the group visited an Aesthetics class here on campus (the students read Eddie's book the week before) and Keith Rowe did mention the problem of the "AMM silence" cliche. for my part, I thought the end was very clear. There was even a kind of end before the end which made it clear the the end was in sight. Nonetheless, the audience was puzzled. Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Date: 09 Apr 2001 09:43:28 -0700 Ran across this CD at a local record store during the weekend and I'm very curious. Could someone who has heard this album give me a description? I'm a big Robert Quine fan so I'm also wondering how much of a contribution he brings to the album. Just don't want to get burned with a $20+ Avant CD. Thanks. Murray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Date: 09 Apr 2001 12:50:10 EDT Its a trio with Ribot, Quine on guitars and Ikue Mori on percussion. Some of its better than others, but worth a listen to. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? Date: 09 Apr 2001 11:54:52 -0500 On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:41:45AM -0600, Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) wrote: > >Are you total shameless fanboy, or is this something which often happens > >at AMM concerts? ;-) > > I don't know who the fanboy comment was intended for but the group visited > an Aesthetics class here on campus (the students read Eddie's book the week > before) and Keith Rowe did mention the problem of the "AMM silence" cliche. What problem is this? That the audience fails to applaud, or that they actually can't tell that the performance is over until AMM starts to dismantle their gear, or something else? My ensemble, Gray Code, also uses extended silences in playing, but, due to our visibly varied attention when playing and not playing, haven't had a problem with audiences knowing if we were and weren't finished. I would think that AMM would have been able to indicate this too. (I haven't seen them yet, but am eagerly looking forward to catching them in Baltimore.) -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Date: 09 Apr 2001 09:58:50 -0700 On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:50:10 EDT Nvinokur@aol.com wrote: > > Its a trio with Ribot, Quine on guitars and Ikue Mori on percussion. Some of > its better than others, but worth a listen to. Ikue Mori acknowleged in interviews that the project more or less escaped her control, to the point that the record was more a Quine/Ribot one, than a Mori one. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Date: 09 Apr 2001 19:07:25 +0200 (CEST) Hi, IMHO, although the work by the three is really good, you'll get burned as much as the contents of the album itself are concerned. I love both the sound and the themes, but these don't evolve as much as I'd like too. The songs are extended in excess and their uncomplexity makes the album a little boring in the end. Regards, Efrén --- cizon@transport.com escribió: > Fecha: 9 Apr 2001 09:43:28 -0700 > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > De: cizon@transport.com > Asunto: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert > > Ran across this CD at a local record store during > the weekend and I'm very curious. Could someone who > has heard this album give me a description? I'm a > big Robert Quine fan so I'm also wondering how much > of a contribution he brings to the album. Just don't > want to get burned with a $20+ Avant CD. > > Thanks. > > Murray > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: re:don pullen Date: 09 Apr 2001 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) hi -- along with the previously mentioned titles, i really like don p on organ on david murray's 'shaquil's warrior.' kurt FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? Date: 09 Apr 2001 11:11:52 -0600 > before) and Keith Rowe did mention the problem of the "AMM silence" cliche. I don't really want to speak for Keith Rowe here but as I understood his statement the problem is that people expect this dramatic silence after the performance and so can become an awkward moment. On a semi-related tangent Eddie Prevost also mentioned the tendancy of a promoter (and the audience) to want to "get something for their money." In the case of the performance here, many people simply didn't know it was over - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Date: 09 Apr 2001 18:13:02 -0000 >Ran across this CD at a local record store during the weekend and I'm >very >curious. Could someone who has heard this album give me a >description? I'm >a big Robert Quine fan so I'm also wondering how much >of a contribution he >brings to the album. Huge contribution!! This album has really wonderful playing by both Ribot and Quine. Truly marvelous. Only problem with this album is Mori herself. I love her playing with DJ Olive, Death Ambient and other experimental projects, but for straight percussion stuff, it's quite bad. Had this been Cyro Baptista doing the percussion, this would have been one of the greatests albums of all time. Still, definately worth having, and essential for Ribot and Quine fans!! How about recommendations for none-Zorn Quine albums? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Cage/feldman Date: 09 Apr 2001 13:26:26 -0500 >Has anyone heard the new Cage prepared piano vol 2 on >naxos? any comments? >in fact any recommendations to his works written or >recorded would be appreciated.(but esp prepared piuano >pieces at hte moment. saw a drury cd of cage's music >and also by the ensemble modern today.,,) > >thanks in advance, > >oh yeah, i found the new morton feldman book a great >read.great anecdotes w/ an occassional playful jibe at >stockhausen, boulez etc > Yeah, the Feldman book is wonderful. Last time Carol & I drove down to Houston, I spent most of the trip reading it aloud. Full of good stuff on music (& I'm not so sure that the jibes at Stockhausen & Boulez are so playful) & painting & generally about the, or at least Feldman's, creative process. As to Cage, in late January I played parts of many different versions of Cage's Sonatas & Interludes for prepared piano on Mappings, unfortunately it's not available online any more. For that piece, I'd recommend Louis Goldstein, Maro Ajemian, or the nearly impossible to find version by Darryl Rosenberg (anyone in Boston know if this is still in print?). The Berman version on Naxos is okay, he doesn't screw anything up, but it doesn't seem as focused to me. The Drury solo piano disc is well played, though he's complained (rightly, I think) that they only released the comparatively pretty works that he recorded, making the disc a little bit too new-agey. He's directed and performed on many CDs of Cage's music for larger ensembles on Mode. One I like a lot, though I'm not sure how it would work as an introduction to Cage's music, is called "The Piano Concertos." I like Joan La Barbara's Singing Through John Cage on New Albion as a good mix of music from many periods, another good introductory disc is the Mode CD of the Arditti Quartet playing String Quartet in 4 parts & Four. After that, there's a lot of other stuff. A good place for more information is the John Cage e-mail list, founded and coordinated by Joseph Zitt, whose posts you often see on the Zorn list. For more information & to subscribe to that list: Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: h e a t h e r Subject: Re: Cage/feldman Date: 09 Apr 2001 13:43:30 -0700 On 4/9/01 11:26 AM, "Herb Levy" wrote: > Yeah, the Feldman book is wonderful. Last time Carol & I drove down > to Houston, I spent most of the trip reading it aloud. Full of good > stuff on music (& I'm not so sure that the jibes at Stockhausen & > Boulez are so playful) & painting & generally about the, or at least > Feldman's, creative process. would someone mind providing detailed info (title, etc.) for the Feldman book referenced? thanks. heather - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marc elzweig" Subject: Re: Cage/feldman Date: 09 Apr 2001 15:08:56 -0400 >would someone mind providing detailed info (title, etc.) for the Feldman >book referenced? i'm assuming we're talking about "Give My Regards to Eighth Street: Collected Writings of Morton Feldman." recently published by Exact Change -- finally some readily available feldman writings, i thank them for it. ta, marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Date: 09 Apr 2001 15:39:20 EDT In a message dated 4/9/01 12:51:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nvinokur@aol.com writes: << Its a trio with Ribot, Quine on guitars and Ikue Mori on percussion. Some of its better than others, but worth a listen to. >> I dare say one can sample the music on Napster - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: GODFLESH Date: 09 Apr 2001 15:52:56 -0400 Hello list, I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. thanks Neil H. Enet ------------ NP. SONIC YOUTH - goo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: GODFLESH Date: 09 Apr 2001 20:34:13 -0000 > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. there is none, unfortunately. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Lindberg/Ehrlich Date: 09 Apr 2001 22:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Hi, the other day I saw a duo CD by John Lindberg and Marty Ehrlich. I guess that must be such a great record but i'd like some opinions from any of you. Thanks in advance, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: don pullen Date: 09 Apr 2001 21:33:59 -0000 My favorite Pullen recording is his live set with George Adams and John Scofield, "Live at Montmartre" on Timeless. "Song Everlasting" is also good and some of the compositions there are played on the live recording. His 1977 Atlantic recording "Tomorrow's Promises" is also good. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: GODFLESH Date: 09 Apr 2001 18:10:51 -0400 > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. there is none, unfortunately. ---------- Ok ... I need some recommendations from someone that "likes" GODFLESH :-) Neil H. Enet ------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert van Heumen" Subject: Re: GODFLESH Date: 10 Apr 2001 01:54:08 +0200 i know only 'songs of love and hate', but i like that one a lot. ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... ......... ......... ......... ...... ...... ......... ......... ......... ...... ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:10 AM > > > > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. > > there is none, unfortunately. > ---------- > > Ok ... I need some recommendations from someone that "likes" GODFLESH :-) > > Neil H. Enet > ------------ > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: GODFLESH and Orson Welles Date: 08 Apr 2001 21:24:06 -0400 MEEP! "Neil H. Enet" wrote: >I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. The perennial favourite among grindcore fans seems to be _Streetcleaner_, and it definitely scores high on the death-by-slow-bludgeoning meter. If you're familiar with any of Broadrick's other projects, you'll probably also recognize the sounds and production techniques of Techno Animal and The Sidewinder creeping into the Godflesh formula here and there in the last few albums, especially on _Love and Hate in Dub_. (To be honest, for a good example of the band's range, those two discs are just about polar opposites...) If you're at all into the long, slow droney bits that they used to close off several of their albums in the early '90s (and Broadrick's output under the name Final), it might also be worth checking out the two-disc re-issue of _Selfless_ from about five years ago; it think it's bundled with the bloody awful _Merciless_ EP, but it's also rounded out by the hellishly long remixes of "Crush My Soul" and... something else that are actually pretty cool. Meanwhile, Ricardo Reis asked: >> For what it's worth, though, the reading in question is pretty >> ludicrously short for its contents, and it could be (less-than-generously) >> described as being incomprehensible. >it's interesting what you say. i've only heard excerpts from the >"heart of darkness" documentary film by Alice Coppola on her husbands film >"Apocalipse now". i got the idea he was doing a "heavy" dark reading, very >suited to the text. can you be more explicity when classifying it as >"incomprehensible"? Only that, in order to make "Heart of Darkness" fit into an hour-long (or however long it was) radio slot, an awful lot of the text had to be cut out. While increasingly melodramatic vocals can go a fair distance towards re-creating the building sense that something *dreadfully* wrong is emanating from Kurtz and his camp, there isn't enough detail present in the Mercury Theater version to keep the listener from feeling that there's something really big missing from the story that they're hearing. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fab@toke.com Subject: Berne / Paraphrase Dates Date: 09 Apr 2001 22:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Hi, Anyone have venue information on the Paraphrase tour? Really looking for Wednesday April 11 in Boulder, Colorado. Other than the Screwgun homepage I can't seem to find any info on these shows. Thanks. Fun and Blindness Fort Collins, CO http://fab.cjb.net/ Get free personalized email at http://four11.iname.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Berne / Paraphrase Dates Date: 09 Apr 2001 19:37:59 -0700 They were exquisite in Eagle Rock CA last night. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: pullen Date: 09 Apr 2001 20:26:54 -0700 (PDT) For the earliest, "out"est stuff, check out the two Giuseppe Logan discs on ESP. The band also included Eddie Gomez and Milford Graves, and is obviously worth hearing even if it's not among the best examples of any of the sidemen concerned. (It would be great if the Unheard Music Series could find a way to reissue the ridiculously rare self-released duo album that Pullen and Graves put out soon after - I've never even seen this thing.) ----------------------- There were two LPs of duets between Graves and Pullen, 'Don Pullen and Milford Graves at Yale University' and 'Nommo.' I have the latter and it's pretty sick. I think the first one's supposed to be just as good. -Tom Pratt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Spatial music on this week's Mappings Date: 09 Apr 2001 23:20:46 -0500 Hi, Just a brief note to let you know that this week's Mappings, my weekly new music program from Antenna Internet Radio I'm playing music that (mostly) plays with resonant acoustics by Maryanne Amacher, Luciano Berio, Stuart Dempster, Annea Lockwood, Alvin Lucier, Kaffe Matthews, Martin Mayes, Pauline Oliveros, Michael Stirling, and Veryan Weston & Caroline Kraabel.. The RealAudio recording went online about 10-11 pm (Greenwich -0800) on Monday night and will remain up for about a week. Last week's show featuring music by composer/performer Joan La Barbara is still available in the archive . Hope to y'all there. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/ mappings@antennaradio.com Mappings P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Pullen/Graves Date: 09 Apr 2001 23:51:45 -0500 Steve Smith" wrote: >>For the earliest, "out"est stuff, check out the two >>Giuseppe Logan discs on ESP. The band also included >>Eddie Gomez and Milford Graves, and is obviously worth >>hearing even if it's not among the best examples of >>any >>of the sidemen concerned. (It would be great if the >>Unheard Music Series could find a way to reissue the >>ridiculously rare self-released duo album that Pullen >>and Graves put out soon after - I've never even seen >>this thing.) ====================================================================== Tom Pratt responded: >There were two LPs of duets between Graves and Pullen, >'Don Pullen and Milford Graves at Yale University' and >'Nommo.' I have the latter and it's pretty sick. I >think the first one's supposed to be just as good. Back when these came out, I don't recall ever seeing volume one ahywhere, though it did get reviewed. On the other hand, Nommo was one of those records that seemed like they couldn't give it away. It sat in some stores for years. (Just what y'all want to hear now, right?) &, for what it's worth, given Graves' long involvement in naturopathic medicine, it may be particularly silly to use the term "sick" as a positive description of this disc. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Kendrick" Subject: Fuchs/Koch/Van Bergen Date: 09 Apr 2001 23:06:09 +0100 > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3069702369_234485_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Extreme reeds trio comes to Portland, Oregon on Sunday, April 22nd at the FEZ on West Burnside above Ozone Records: Holz Fur Europa Peter Van Bergen - bass clarinet, contrabass clarinet, tenor saxophone, A-flat clarinet Wolfgang Fuchs - bass clarinet, contrabass clarinet, sopranino saxophone Hans Koch - bass clarinet, contrabass clarinet, B-flat clarinet, soprano saxophone appearing with local favs Rollerball and Jackie-O Motherfucker! "Certainly the three musicians in Holz Fur Europa don't play music of rebellion or of open riot, times are different now. The aesthetics of resistance have been taken over by the aesthetics of priority of all musical means and possibilities, in the unfolding as well as in the reduction. Music truly of the moment." - Christian Rentsch, liner notes, Comite Imaginaire, FMP CD, recorded 5/1&2/95 more details to follow... ...and don't forget catch Keith Rowe (solo) with special guests Presocratics at Conduit Studio (918 SW Yamhill, downtown next door to Art Media) this Thursday, April 12 at 9pm. Feel free to email me for more info. --MS_Mac_OE_3069702369_234485_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Fuchs/Koch/Van Bergen Extreme reeds trio comes to Portland, Oregon on Sunday, Apri= l 22nd at the FEZ on West Burnside above Ozone Records:
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Peter Van Bergen - bass clarinet, contrabass clarinet, tenor saxophone,= A-flat clarinet
Wolfgang Fuchs - bass clarinet, contrabass clarinet, sopranino saxophone Hans Koch - bass clarinet, contrabass clarinet, B-flat clarinet, soprano sa= xophone
appearing with local favs Rollerball and Jackie-O Motherfucker!

"Certainly the three musicians in Holz Fur Europa don't play music of = rebellion or of open riot, times are different now.  The aesthetics of = resistance have been taken over by the aesthetics of priority of all musical= means and possibilities, in the unfolding as well as in the reduction. &nbs= p;Music truly of the moment."
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more details to follow...

...and don't forget catch Keith Rowe (solo) with special guests Presocratic= s at Conduit Studio (918 SW Yamhill, downtown next door to Art Media) this T= hursday, April 12 at 9pm.  Feel free to email me for more info. --MS_Mac_OE_3069702369_234485_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Howes Subject: Re: GODFLESH Date: 09 Apr 2001 23:48:44 -0700 > > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. I think anything Justin touches is near gold.... I'd go with... Streetcleaner an the self titled (or the Fall of Because which was reissued last year) if you want the most abrasive, nihilistic stuff then id go Selfless Slavestate Pure Also pick up ALL the God releases and Techno Animal (the new Techno Animal being more ambient, hiphop, dub type stuff) unless your looking for more "dance" type beats stay away from the newer albums...Song of Love and Hate is the best of the last 3 or 4 albums... the new EP, which is only available thru Justin's own label is really good stuff as well...it's most similar to Selfless.... mike PS Final is also nice guitar ambient stuff, Fall of Because is the pre-Godflesh that's really heavy, God you probably know about, early stuff is improv, later stuff is industrial metal like Godflesh, Head of David is a more ethereal Godflesh, Ice is similar to later God in that it's got the industrial metal thing going but the Sax is present and powerful, Sidewinder is one of his techno side projects, and then there is 16-17 and about a million other side projects. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: Re: Cage/feldman Date: 10 Apr 2001 06:11:18 -0700 (PDT) > > would someone mind providing detailed info (title, > etc.) for the Feldman > book referenced? heather, "Give my regards to eighth street:Collected Writings of Morton Feldman " Edited by BH Friedman published by Exact Change www.exactchange.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Painted Desert Date: 10 Apr 2001 07:54:32 -0700 Thanks for the comments and insight everyone. I took the bait and picked the CD up and I must say that as a Quine fan this is almost a dream come true. His playing is so emotive and steeped in the blues; it's really a crime he doesn't have much (any?) stuff under his own name. Ribot is great as well. That being said, I can see where some people might not care of this album. Mori's contribution comes across as minimal, which is troubling since this is ostensibly her project. As for other Quine-related projects, here's a short list of my personal favorites: Richard Hell & the Voidoids - Blank Generation Lou Reed - The Blue Mask Matthew Sweet - Girlfriend Tom Waits - Rain Dogs Zorn - Big Gundown, Spillane, Film Works '86-'90 Lydia Lunch - Queen of Siam Thanks again, Murray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Painted Desert Date: 10 Apr 2001 07:54:42 -0700 Thanks for the comments and insight everyone. I took the bait and picked the CD up and I must say that as a Quine fan this is almost a dream come true. His playing is so emotive and steeped in the blues; it's really a crime he doesn't have much (any?) stuff under his own name. Ribot is great as well. That being said, I can see where some people might not care of this album. Mori's contribution comes across as minimal, which is troubling since this is ostensibly her project. As for other Quine-related projects, here's a short list of my personal favorites: Richard Hell & the Voidoids - Blank Generation Lou Reed - The Blue Mask Matthew Sweet - Girlfriend Tom Waits - Rain Dogs Zorn - Big Gundown, Spillane, Film Works '86-'90 Lydia Lunch - Queen of Siam Thanks again, Murray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Painted Desert Date: 10 Apr 2001 11:05:05 -0400 At 7:54 AM -0700 4/10/01, cizon@transport.com wrote: > as a Quine fan this is almost a dream come true. I'm fond of _Basic_, as well, although YMMV. He and Ribot do have some good lines on Corin Curschellas's Valdun: Voices of Rumantsch CD, although they're not on every track, and I should warn you that it contains yodeling. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Painted Desert Date: 10 Apr 2001 17:31:13 +0200 (CEST) Hi, I didn't know Quine appeared on Waits' Rain Dogs. My version has no listing of musicians. I thought it was Ribot who played throughout the whole album and I've never recognized Quine's playing although the album has been in my CD player a million times. Could you detail where exactly is Quine? Now I'm really ashamed. Regards, Efrén del Valle --- cizon@transport.com escribió: > Fecha: 10 Apr 2001 07:54:32 -0700 > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > De: cizon@transport.com > Asunto: Painted Desert > > Thanks for the comments and insight everyone. I took > the bait and picked the CD up and I must say that as > a Quine fan this is almost a dream come true. His > playing is so emotive and steeped in the blues; it's > really a crime he doesn't have much (any?) stuff > under his own name. Ribot is great as well. That > being said, I can see where some people might not > care of this album. Mori's contribution comes across > as minimal, which is troubling since this is > ostensibly her project. > > As for other Quine-related projects, here's a short > list of my personal favorites: > > Richard Hell & the Voidoids - Blank Generation > Lou Reed - The Blue Mask > Matthew Sweet - Girlfriend > Tom Waits - Rain Dogs > Zorn - Big Gundown, Spillane, Film Works '86-'90 > Lydia Lunch - Queen of Siam > > Thanks again, > Murray > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Fwd: Painted Desert Date: 10 Apr 2001 08:48:33 -0700 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:31:13 +0200 (CEST) =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= wrote: > > Hi, > > I didn't know Quine appeared on Waits' Rain Dogs. My > version has no listing of musicians. I thought it was > Ribot who played throughout the whole album and I've > never recognized Quine's playing although the album > has been in my CD player a million times. > > Could you detail where exactly is Quine? 001 - RAIN DOGS: Tom Waits 15/ Blind Love (Waits) 4:18 17/ Downtown Train (Waits) 3:53 Robert Quine (15,17): etc. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Zorn-List Caveat Of The Week Date: 10 Apr 2001 09:55:29 -0700 "I should warn you that it contains yodeling." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Painted Desert Date: 10 Apr 2001 13:20:13 EDT In a message dated 4/10/01 11:33:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: << I didn't know Quine appeared on Waits' Rain Dogs >> He actually played on two tunes with Keith Richards....Keith co-wrote the songs with Waits - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: pullen Date: 10 Apr 2001 10:30:34 -0700 Without the assistance of my library.... Shakill's Warrior is a grooving session, as somebody mentioned. D. Murray's date, Pullen on organ. Good road music. Howard Mandel treats it as an iconic release of postmodern music in his recent book (Future Jazz or something like that). Sixth Sense is one I don't think has been mentioned yet. His ensemble concept at its most ambitious. rec. June 12/13, 1985 Classic Sound Studios, NYC Olu Dara tp / Donald Harrison as / Don Pullen p / Fred Hopkins b / Bobby Battle dr Song Everlasting -- I'll second this. A gorgeous session. I love his work with George Adams, both with Mingus and after. I caught his Afro Carribean ensemble at Willisau in 1992 (girlfriend opted to stay home in Zurich, and taped the radio broadcast). What a wonderful set! Far superior to any of his studio recordings with the group, which I have found a bit disappointing. Carlos Ward worked so well with him in this setting.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Dunne Subject: Laswell Date: 10 Apr 2001 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Wattup negro's I've recently got some bill Laswell stuff, which I liked a lot - very ambient stuff. What I want to know is all of his released stuff like this or does he do any much noise type music?, as I have a live cd of him and its pretty noisy Gav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: New Talent On Horizon Date: 10 Apr 2001 10:37:48 -0700 No tunes yet, but coming soon...... http://www.tswillie.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: rE: pAINTED dESERT Date: 10 Apr 2001 13:45:48 -0400 (EDT) oddly enough, i agree with almost everything that was already said about painted desert. while it's not the best from any of the three, it's a really nice record. true, as someone said, it doesn't go anywhere, but that's what i like about it. very western, endless mesa, no stampedes, no stagecoach heists. reminds me of zorn's "pueblo," the recording of which i still haven't heard but the 40 minute performance at the cooler years ago i'll never forget. if you don't have, say, hex kitchen or shoestring symphonettes, don't rush into getting it. but it's better than the blue mask. kurt FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Dunne Subject: Morricone the barbarian! Date: 10 Apr 2001 10:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Hi all again I was wathcing Red Sonja the other night, you may remember that film from such actors as Arnie.....and such films as Conan. But anyway I was very surprised to see that Morricone did the soundtrack, although very little music was actually in the film. Does anyone know if this soundtrack is available, if ennio did the other Conan films and if they have available soundtracks? Gavaldinho __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: rE: pAINTED dESERT Date: 10 Apr 2001 20:02:24 +0200 (CEST) When you say "don't rush to get Shoe String Symphonettes" do you really mean it???!!! What's wrong with it in your opinion? My thoughts on that recording can't be more positive I wouldn't compare "Pueblo" to what it's heard on "Painted". IMHO the former is an enormous composition by Zorn, and although it evolves lineally (It was me who said Painted didn't get to nowhere) it creates an incredible soundscape, unlike Painted. Greetings, Efrén --- alberta escribió: > Fecha: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:45:48 -0400 (EDT) > De: alberta > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: rE: pAINTED dESERT > > oddly enough, i agree with almost everything that > was already said about painted desert. while it's > not the best from any of the three, it's a really > nice record. true, as someone said, it doesn't go > anywhere, but that's what i like about it. very > western, endless mesa, no stampedes, no stagecoach > heists. reminds me of zorn's "pueblo," the recording > of which i still haven't heard but the 40 minute > performance at the cooler years ago i'll never > forget. > > if you don't have, say, hex kitchen or shoestring > symphonettes, don't rush into getting it. but it's > better than the blue mask. > > kurt > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Morricone the barbarian! Date: 10 Apr 2001 14:06:59 -0400 As I recall, the 'Red Sonja' score was pretty tepid Morricone. The best parts of that film, by the way, were the Tracy-and-Hepburn repartee between Schwartzenegger and Brigitte Nielsen and the seriously coke-addled performance by Sandahl Bergman. The low point was the little Asian kid who you just wanted to strangle throughout the entire film. Anyway, the score was probably available at some point, but I couldn't tell you if it's still around. The two Conan films (of which the first is a drop dead John Millius classic) were scored by Basil Pouledouris, and both scores were available (and may still be) on the Varese Sarabande label. They aren't in any way Morricone-esque, more like echt-Wagner, RStrauss and Orff. But they're great film scores, and that's what counts. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Bruckner, Symphony No. 7, SWR Radio Symphony/Sanderling (Hanssler) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gavin Dunne Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:50 PM Hi all again I was wathcing Red Sonja the other night, you may remember that film from such actors as Arnie.....and such films as Conan. But anyway I was very surprised to see that Morricone did the soundtrack, although very little music was actually in the film. Does anyone know if this soundtrack is available, if ennio did the other Conan films and if they have available soundtracks? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joshua Valocchi" Subject: Tonight in Philadelphia Date: 10 Apr 2001 18:18:40 For any and all who may be interested, the contemporary music ensemble counter)induction will be putting on a free performance at UPenn's Bodek Lounge (inside Houston Hall, 3417 Spruce Street) this evening at 8 p.m. They will be performing COBRA as well as a handful of other movements. Endy Emby (NY duo) guests as well. Just thought a few on this list might want to know (and go). For the record, I have no affiliation with any of this; I simply saw an article ion Sunday's Inky with a photo of JZ in the middle of the sidebar. joshua. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: rE: pAINTED sHOESTRINGS Date: 10 Apr 2001 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) the venerable =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= asked of me: When you say "don't rush to get Shoe String Symphonettes" do you really mean it???!!! What's wrong with it in your opinion? when i said: > if you don't have, say, hex kitchen or shoestring > symphonettes, don't rush into getting it. but it's > better than the blue mask. i meant don't rush into getting painted desert if you don't have these mori and ribot titles already. i loves the s-string symponettes... for the record, kurt FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Pullen/Graves Date: 10 Apr 2001 19:08:57 >Shakill's Warrior is a grooving session, as somebody mentioned. D. >Murray's date, Pullen on organ. Good road music. Howard Mandel treats it >as an iconic release of postmodern music in his recent book (Future Jazz >or something like that). And yet you can find this one used or cut-out pretty much anywhere you look (that's how I got mine). That must have something to do with them printing too many copies since it is on DIW/Columbia or something major-ish like that. It is still good and I've listened to it a bunch, although they could have cut two tracks and still had a good 55-60 minute album, I think. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: Will & Harmony Date: 10 Apr 2001 15:53:19 +0000 Hello, Does anyone know why Harmony Korine thanks Will Oldham in the credits to Julien Donkey Boy? I don't seem to hear any of his music in the film. Martin Dupuis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anne & Dan Dellosso Subject: Re: Will & Harmony Date: 10 Apr 2001 16:03:25 -0700 He had a small part where he is leading a blindman down the street.. dan- Philippe Dupuis wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone know why Harmony Korine thanks Will Oldham in the > credits to Julien Donkey Boy? > > I don't seem to hear any of his music in the film. > > Martin Dupuis > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: pullen Date: 11 Apr 2001 13:20:46 -0700 > Without the assistance of my library.... > > Shakill's Warrior is a grooving session, as somebody mentioned. D. > Murray's date, Pullen on organ. Good road music. Howard Mandel treats it > as an iconic release of postmodern music in his recent book (Future Jazz > or something like that). > > Sixth Sense is one I don't think has been mentioned yet. His ensemble > concept at its most ambitious. rec. June 12/13, 1985 Classic Sound > Studios, NYC > Olu Dara tp / Donald Harrison as / Don Pullen p / Fred Hopkins b / Bobby > Battle dr > > Song Everlasting -- I'll second this. A gorgeous session. I love his work > with George Adams, both with Mingus and after. > > I caught his Afro Carribean ensemble at Willisau in 1992 (girlfriend opted > to stay home in Zurich, and taped the radio broadcast). What a wonderful > set! Far superior to any of his studio recordings with the group, which I > have found a bit disappointing. Carlos Ward worked so well with him in > this setting.... > > > > - > I bought this one, and Murray's playing is so terrible that I just can't play it all the way through. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Query Date: 10 Apr 2001 13:33:10 -0700 Anyone ventured into Elliptical Axis 15 yet? I've already ordered it so if it sucks be gentle with me please. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Robert Quine (was Re: Painted Desert) Date: 10 Apr 2001 16:37:16 -0400 Actually Quine is still under contract to the E.G. people to deliver another album, which he's been reluctant to do (hence no other solo records since Basic). He reunited with the Voidoids recently and has done some session work here and there in the last few years (sadly, I don't remember all the details). re Painted Desert, Ikue has said that she loved her collaborators but prefers to play in a less rhythmic style. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 00:17:14 -0400 I was having a debate with my friend about oboe. She didn't think that the oboe could be played in a jazz or avant garde setting. I said that it probably could, because it's somewhere between a soprano sax and clarinet in sound. Are there any oboe heavy recordings that I should know about? Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Taylor Tierney Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 10 Apr 2001 23:31:22 -0500 (EST) The only jazz oboist I know of is Paul McCandless, who also plays a host of other woodwinds. I've only heard him play with the Paul Winter Consort; what I've heard is very folksy, but unmistakably jazz nonetheless. Do you guys know of any avant-garde jazz oboists? I would be shocked if none exist. --Adam Tierney - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 14:48:50 +1000 > I was having a debate with my friend about oboe. She didn't think that the > oboe could be played in a jazz or avant garde setting. I said that it > probably could, because it's somewhere between a soprano sax and clarinet in > sound. Are there any oboe heavy recordings that I should know about? You could play the kazoo or ukelele in those settings if you wanted to. I used to play the oboe, and didn't hear anything about rules that you can't play certain styles on it, so I occasionally did some jazz and some free improv. I am not aware of many recordings where it is a main feature, but would guess that some exist. That said, oboe is present on a good handful of list-related cds I can think of off the top of my head - Vicki Bodner on Zorn's 'The Big Gundown', Ribot's 'Shoe String Symphonettes', Carol Emanuel's 'Tops Of Trees', etc... I also remember oboe appearing on Eyvind Kang's '7 NADEs' and 'Theatre Of Mineral NADEs' and also The Club Foot Orchestra 'Plays Nino Rota'... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 00:58:00 EDT I'm not sure the name of the oboist, but a few years ago I caught Eugene Chadburne playing with a synthesizer player and oboist in a coffee shop. So, atleast you know it exists. ~eriedell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mansur Mirovalev" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:22:55 +0500 Listen to Paul McCandless on Oregon's Distant Hills (1974) - lots of avant garde sounds ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:17 AM > I was having a debate with my friend about oboe. She didn't think that the > oboe could be played in a jazz or avant garde setting. I said that it > probably could, because it's somewhere between a soprano sax and clarinet in > sound. Are there any oboe heavy recordings that I should know about? > > Zach > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 10 Apr 2001 22:35:42 -0700 on 4/10/01 9:58 PM, Eriedell@aol.com at Eriedell@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure the name of the oboist, but a few years ago I caught Eugene > Chadburne playing with a synthesizer player and oboist in a coffee shop. So, > atleast you know it exists. > ~eriedell > > - > > I think Andy MacKay (Spelling is wrong) of Roxy Music played Oboe...but is that too pop? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 10 Apr 2001 22:47:47 -0700 (PDT) I had a Cannonball Adderley record, LIVE IN JAPAN, I think; it featured Dr. Yusef Lateef tearing it up on oboe on at least one track. I've also heard some improvised bassoon, which should count for something (used as soloist on at least one part of the reconstructed Mingus EPITAPH). And in Henry Cow! Doubly, -----s ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 15:52:44 +1000 > I had a Cannonball Adderley record, LIVE IN JAPAN, I > think; it featured Dr. Yusef Lateef tearing it up on > oboe on at least one track. I've also heard some > improvised bassoon, which should count for something > (used as soloist on at least one part of the > reconstructed Mingus EPITAPH). And in Henry Cow! And Karen Borca with Joe Morris, Cecil Taylor and others... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 02:06:59 -0400 There's a fine oboe and English horn player from Chicago named Kyle Bruckmann. He just did a short US tour, and he has a fine solo improv CD called Entymology (Barley Auditable). Not miles away from what you'd imagine someone like John Butcher would do if transferred to oboe. -Jesse ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:52 AM > > I had a Cannonball Adderley record, LIVE IN JAPAN, I > > think; it featured Dr. Yusef Lateef tearing it up on > > oboe on at least one track. I've also heard some > > improvised bassoon, which should count for something > > (used as soloist on at least one part of the > > reconstructed Mingus EPITAPH). And in Henry Cow! > > And Karen Borca with Joe Morris, Cecil Taylor and others... > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn-List Caveat Of The Week Date: 11 Apr 2001 03:38:52 EDT In a message dated 4/10/01 12:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, keith@pfmentum.com writes: << "I should warn you that it contains yodeling." >> I hear Demetrio Stratos chuckling over that one. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Laswell Date: 11 Apr 2001 03:38:54 EDT In a message dated 4/10/01 1:35:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_secret_chief@yahoo.com writes: << Wattup negro's I've recently got some bill Laswell stuff, which I liked a lot - very ambient stuff. What I want to know is all of his released stuff like this or does he do any much noise type music?, as I have a live cd of him and its pretty noisy >> Most of the Negroes on this list will likely agree that Laswell's recording date with Peter Brotzmann on _Low Life_ gets pretty noisy. But it's a honky noisy. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: pullen Date: 11 Apr 2001 09:47:01 +0200 Hi, there´s a Pullen disco at www.wnur.org/jazz/artists/pullen.don/discog.txt but the stuff with Kip Hanrahan is missing (I love Tenderness!) and Mingus at Keystone is given but Pullen is not playing but Dannie Mixon. Shakill´s Warrior is good too... Andreas np: Michael Blake - Kingdom Of Champa _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Laswell Date: 11 Apr 2001 09:54:36 +0200 Gavin> Wattup negro's Gavin> I've recently got some bill Laswell stuff, which I Gavin> liked a lot - very ambient stuff. What I want to know Gavin> is all of his released stuff like this or does he do Gavin> any much noise type music?, as I have a live cd of him Gavin> and its pretty noisy Gavin> Gav He releases cds in quite different styles. Ambient, dub, drum'n'bass, improvised stuff, noise. Most of them were released on the axiom label. and there is a good discography at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093/disc.html PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: Re: good ol' Bill Laswell Date: 11 Apr 2001 13:53:46 +0100 (BST) The best thing ol' Bill has ever played on (alongside Toshinori Kondo, Henry Kaiser, Anton Fier, and Nicky Skopelitis) is Herbie Hancock's 'Sound-System' LP. It is essential Laswell... ESSENTIAL! HAHAHA. Of course, those who (unfortunately) 'know' this LP will realise this is a fuckin' JOKE... I had a copy, but I smashed it up, years ago. And if any of you still have a copy, well, DESTROY! DESTROY! Bill! What were you thinking! ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) Date: 11 Apr 2001 14:59:51 +0200 Hello there... Just recently I discovered that there are two or three books available that are written by David Toop. Has anyone from this list ever read one of them? Any thoughts / comments? Thanks a lot! Yours, patRice np: Kenny Dorham, Afro-Cuban nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: Will & Harmony Date: 11 Apr 2001 15:46:49 +0200 Philippe Dupuis asked: > > Does anyone know why Harmony Korine thanks Will Oldham in the > > credits to Julien Donkey Boy? Dan Dellosso answered: > He had a small part where he is leading a blindman down the street.. Let me add: Harmony Korine is also credited with vocals on the latest Bonnie "Prince" Billie (i.e. Will Oldham) album, "Ease Down The Road". I have no idea on which track(s) he sings, though. Julien - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Speaking of Chicago, there's also Robbie Hunsinger (sp?). I saw her play a brief duet with Evan Parker a few years back and she was great. The oboist who played with Chadbourne may well have been Carrie Shull, a fine player who's also in the Micro-East Collective. Jason - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Oboe / Y. Lateef Date: 11 Apr 2001 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Ah, yes: I have a David Liebman record on which his wife (not sure about that) Caris plays oboe. I don't remember much in the way of what passes for improvisation from her, though. The album is pretty good, a collection of Coltrane compositions, recorded in the Eighties, with one acoustic group and one electrified fusion group. DRUM ODE it ain't. BTW, I mentioned Yusef Lateef earlier; has anyone heard his piece for orchestra and improvising ensemble? For a number of good and bad reasons, I'm leery of "jazz with string orchestra" becuase it seems that so often the resources of the orchestra are wasted/misused. But I heard Lateef's (long) piece, recorded live, on NPR...it was part of a series celebrating African-American composers, which is just about the only way we get new music on the public radio station here. (Apropos.) Anyway, the piece was _shockingly_ good...rather, it greatly exceeded my stunted expectations. Yusef twisted his tenor sax in all directions, and I rmeember being wowed by the orchestration. I'll try to seek that out. It was epic, and I have no idea if it's been published as a recording. What's YL been up to? ----s ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bertrand GUGGENHEIM Subject: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 16:45:02 +0200 Could add Marshall Allen on many Sun Ra records, Nothing Is, Fondation Maeght, When Angels Speak Of Love and many others mostly end of 50's and 60's. And Yusef Lateef at least 3 Faces of YL + a bulk of others same period. Eastern-oriented, especially Yusef. Marshall more avangardish, Yusef rather hardboppish. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Sweet Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:52:07 -0400 I can't believe that you're speaking of Chicago and not mentioning Douglas Ewart. I don't know about the oboe, but he is a noted improviser on the bassoon. Another improvising bassoonist is Janet Grice. I can remember one night at the Creative Music Studio when Joseph Jarman just had to get on the phone to Ewart to tell him about this young white girl (Grice), who was tearin' it up on the bassoon. I think that Janet is active primarily with teaching these days. She lives just north of NYC. Bob Sweet bsweet@umich.edu read Music Universe, Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio subscribe to CMS Update http://www.arborville.com Jason Caulfield Bivins wrote: > > Speaking of Chicago, there's also Robbie Hunsinger (sp?). I saw her play a > brief duet with Evan Parker a few years back and she was great. > > The oboist who played with Chadbourne may well have been Carrie Shull, a > fine player who's also in the Micro-East Collective. > > Jason > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) Date: 12 Apr 2001 07:58:41 -0700 > Hello there... > > Just recently I discovered that there are two or three books available > that are written by David Toop. > > Has anyone from this list ever read one of them? > > Any thoughts / comments? > > Thanks a lot! > > Yours, > patRice > > np: Kenny Dorham, Afro-Cuban > nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo > > > - > I've read EXOTICA, which I thought was very good, but I'm biased as I was quoted in it abouut a half dozen times, and unlike RJ Smith, Toop actually gives credit to his sources. His research on the subject (exotica) is formidable, espec when you consider he's in England and therefore away fr a lot of idiomatic American stuff. skip h np: kenny dorham -- una mas (no joke) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:55:58 -0400 Karen Borca plays bassoon. SS -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Julian Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:53 AM And Karen Borca with Joe Morris, Cecil Taylor and others... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 12 Apr 2001 01:02:58 +1000 > Karen Borca plays bassoon. Your point being? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: rE: pAINTED sHOESTRINGS Date: 11 Apr 2001 17:11:59 +0200 (CEST) O.K Kurt, another English misunderstanding of mine. I celebrate that you enjoy Shoe-String. Greetings, Efrén --- alberta escribió: > Fecha: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) > De: alberta > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: rE: pAINTED sHOESTRINGS > > the venerable =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= > > asked of me: > > When you say "don't rush to get Shoe String > Symphonettes" do you really mean it???!!! What's > wrong > with it in your opinion? > > when i said: > > > if you don't have, say, hex kitchen or shoestring > > symphonettes, don't rush into getting it. but it's > > better than the blue mask. > > i meant don't rush into getting painted desert if > you don't have these mori and ribot titles already. > i loves the s-string symponettes... > > for the record, > kurt > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:14:27 -0400 My point being that I shouldn't post when I'm running a fever and can't concentrate well enough to see that someone has shifted the subject subtly away from what the subject line says. My appy-polly-logies. As for oboe, well, much like the Kyle Bruckman disc alrady mentioned, there's a disc by San Francisco reed player Dan Plonsey called 'Understanding Human Behavio' (spelling is correct here) on the Limited Sedition CD-R label. He made the disc on the first two days he owned the instrument. Dan's a fine, fine sax player, and he manages to get around the oboe pretty well, but let's just say that the concept here is... different. And that's there's a fair amount of intentionally bad synthesizer and rhythm box playing on it, eventually. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:03 AM > Karen Borca plays bassoon. Your point being? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:27:27 -0400 (EDT) One of the first modern jazz oboe playersd was Ken McIntyre, who used it as well as alto saxophone and flute on his own discs as well as ones with Eric Dolphy and Bill Dixon. As for bassoon, besides Karen Borca, seems to me that Illinois Jacquet played that unwieldy beast on some of his LPs in the 1950s. Also I seem to recall someone named Michael Rabionowitz (sp?) who specializes in playing mainstream jazz on the bassoon. Ken Waxman --- Julian wrote: > > Karen Borca plays bassoon. > > Your point being? > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael dessen Subject: Yusef Lateef Date: 11 Apr 2001 08:52:10 -0800 > orchestration. I'll try to seek that out. It was > epic, and I have no idea if it's been published as a > recording. What's YL been up to? The piece you're probably talking about is the "African-American Epic Suite," a multi-movement piece for full orchestra and a small group of improvisors (including Lateef). It was recorded and published in Germany and I think it is available on Amazon.com's German site (amazon.com/de). A great piece, in my opinion, but then I'm a big Lateef fan and former student so I'm biased. Lateef has actually been up to a lot! He has mostly put out stuff on his own label, YAL, for many years now, and it doesn't turn up in many stores. (He does sell it through his website, yuseflateef.com). Also he kind of distanced himself from the "jazz" industry and won't use the word... He's in Western Mass. teaching at a few different colleges there, and gets out to play from time to time, collaborates with Adam Rudolph a lot, but he's not touring too much (he's 80 this year!). But he puts out a couple of new CDs every year and is composing a lot of new works, and plays the occasional festival. A very industrious man... One recording I especially recommend is the double CD he put out with Adam Rudolph, entitled "The World at Peace." A live recording of compositions by both of them for a 12 piece ensemble. As far as "jazz" or avant-garde improvising oboe goes - most people I know would be quick to cite him as one of the earliest players to use the oboe in that context. Check out his early recordings... michael dessen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) Date: 11 Apr 2001 08:48:58 -0700 I read Toop's Ocean of Sound and Exotica (is that the title?) and both are very good. What I like about both books is that it is Toop's personal take on the music - and it goes off in different areas.. Like I was surprised to know that there was a David Crosby connection to Les Baxter! -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brooker Subject: Elvis Costello/Ryko Date: 11 Apr 2001 09:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Anyone know what is going on with Elvis Costello's Rkyo Catalog? Are anymore being reissued or are the current titles all out of print? I went to Rykos website but apparently it has not been updated in ages which leads me to beleive that nothing else is going to take place. Anyone have information about this? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 09:36:23 -0700 >>>And that there's a fair amount of intentionally bad synthesizer and rhythm box playing on it, eventually.<<< I'll check this out if there is also some intentionally bad yodeling..... (Plonsey wrote a nice editorial in the current Cadence which is sure to irritate the anti-opera-braxtonians in the audience.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:19:51 -0700 My 13 y/o son plays oboe. When I want to show him how oboe can be used in improvisational contexts I pull out Butch Morris' DUST TO DUST and let him enjoy Vickey Bodner on English Horn and John Purcell on Oboe. I never tire of DUST TO DUST. If I didn't put it on my all time Top 20 list, please add it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks Date: 11 Apr 2001 13:20:39 -0400 Well, it's been about four years since I've been in a position to do this. But since I suddnely find myself back on the Koch International mailing list, I'm glad to pass on those elusive details of upcoming Tzadik releases. For newcomers, Koch is the American distribution company for Tzadik, Avant, DIW and numerous other interesting labels. I no longer have any professional connection to Koch - this is strictly a public service. And bear in mind that Bruce at Downtown Music Gallery ususally has these a bit before official street date. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Radio Tarifa, "Gujo Bushi," 'Cruzando el Rio' (Nonesuch) APRIL 2001 Street date: April 24, 2001 John Zorn 'Love, Madness and Mysticism' TZA CD 7065 Composers series Performers: Jennifer Choi, Erik Friedlander, Stephen Drury Track: Le Momo * Untitled * Amor Fou Definitive performances of three dynamic new chamber pieces pushing the boundaries of virtuosity and intensity. Le Momo, for violin and piano, is a work of extremes, a ritual about exorcism and possession inspired by the works of visionary 20th century shaman Antonin Artaud. Untitled, dedicated to Joseph Cornell, the hermetic New York artist whose delirious box constructions mix innocent personal nostalgia with uncomfortable personal obsessions, is a tour de force for solo cello brilliantly performed by Erik Friedlander. The piano trio Amoor Fou explores love - obsessive love, mad love, doomed love in a compendium of moods ranging from Bunuel to Bataille, Scriabin to Messiaen. A mysterious and romantic new direction from John Zorn. Other items of interest in April: Michel Godard: 'Castel del Monte' Enja CD 9362 Rabih Abou-Khalil's tuba and serpent player, with a team of international all-stars including Gianluigi Trovesi, Renaud Garcia-Fons, Pino Minafra and Jean-Louis Matinier. Lots of Italian folksong materials on this one... Vincent Courtois: 'Translucide' Enja CD 9380 Rabih Abou-Khalil's cellist, solo and in duet with Michel Godard, Yves Robert and Noel Akchote. Masayuki Takyanagi & Kaoru Abe: 'Gradually Projection' DIW CD 425 REISSUE, historic meeting of two legends of Japanese free music, recorded July 9, 1970. Stefano Scodanibbio: 'Six Duos' New Albion CD 113 The phenomenal Italian bassist in duos with members of the Arditti String Quartet. Morton Subotnik: 'Vol. 1: Electronic Works' Mode CD/DVD-A 97 Old and new multi-channel works by Subotnik - 'Touch,' 'A Sky of Cloudless Sulfur,' 'Gestures: It Begins with Colors' - available in stereo mixes on CD and in surround sound with video interviews and lots of other gimmicks on DVD-A. ------------- MAY 2001 Street date: May 22, 2001 Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet 'Flutter' TZA CD 7232 New Japan series Performers: Tsugami Kenta, Kikuchi Naruyoshi, Otomo Yoshihide, Mizutami Yasuhiro, Sachiko M, Akita Masami Tracks: Flutter * Drift-Les * Serene * Spin * Night Lights-Density Japanese Free Jazz has a history that goes back to the '60s, and Otomo Yoshihide's latest project brings together some of the best Free Jazz players in Japan with noise musicians Sachiko M and the legendary Akita Masami of Merzbow. Beautiful arrangements, exciting solos and a kickass rhythm section make 'Flutter' one of Otomo's most powerful and unusual musical statements. Features three bizarre covers of tunes by Eric Dolphy and Gerry Mulligan and four dynamic originals. Sine waves, drones, jazz and noise from one of Japan's most ubiquitous experimental musicians. Xtatica 'Tongue Bath' TZA CD 7701 Oracles series Performers: Haena Kim, Mas Yamagata, Vongku Pak, Kyungwook Jung Tracks: Taking the Angel * Malady * Tongue * Sick Fuck * Immolation * Gone * Dance of the Phantasms * Manic Holiday * Out in the Woods, It's 3 AM * Sunfire New Tzadik Oracles series is proud to begin with the unique visions of singer/songwriter Haena Kim. Featuring hypnotic, trippy vocals, nasty electric bass and two driving Korean percussionists, this is a band that opens up an exciting new world of sound. You've never heard anything like Xtatica - a magical blend of alternative rock with Korean traditoinal music. Pansori via Nine Inch Nails. Other items of interest in May: Don Cherry's Nu: 'Live at the Bracknell Jazz Festival, 1986' BBC Jazz Legends CD 7004 Don Cherry, Ed Blackwell, Carlos Ward, Mark Helias and Nana Vasconcelos recorded live in 1986. Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' Knitting Factory CD 291 Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin, mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson (trumpet). John Cage: 'Complete Piano Music, Vol. 6' MD+G CD 6130791 (2 CDs) Piano music composed in 1960-62, including Etudes Boreales, "The Beatles," and ASLSP, performed by Steffen Schleiermacher in an ongoing series. John Cage: 'The Works for Violin 4' Mode CD 100 Irvine Arditti's ongoing series includes Nocturne (1947), 6 Melodies (1950), Two6 (1992), One10 (1992) and 8 Whiskus (1985). Our own Stephen Drury is his partner in the first three pieces listed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 17:42:15 Jason Caulfield Bivins wrote: >The oboist who played with Chadbourne may well have been Carrie Shull, >a >fine player who's also in the Micro-East Collective. Yes this is probably true. She is from Chapel Hill and is on a bunch of Chadbourne's semi-recent albums: Insect and Western Party, Insect Attracter, Worms with Strings, the Hellington Country CDs ... I was so ready to chime in and mention someone from my old hometown, and then sign the message "Yours in obscurity," but two people beat me to it. It's the time zone difference I tell you... WY (Trying to recover from seeing ROVA, Leo Smith, Fred Frith, AMM, Goatwhore, Paraphrase, Candiria and Cryptopsy all within the last five days, in three different cities, almost all for the first time ... whew) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Takayanagi/Abe Date: 11 Apr 2001 13:43:58 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:20 PM > Masayuki Takyanagi & Kaoru Abe: 'Gradually Projection' > DIW CD 425 > REISSUE, historic meeting of two legends of Japanese free music, recorded > July 9, 1970. Anyone heard this or the other new disc from the same duo? I'd like to get 'em, but the prices on those DIW discs are rough. -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brennansf@aol.com Subject: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 13:49:17 EDT Yusef Lateef plays oboe on the very first track of THE LAST SAVOY SESSIONS re-released last spring. Titled appropriately "Oboe Blues." jb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: And because *I* care... Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:52:04 -0700 http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/sourdough.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 10:55:02 -0700 Titled appropriately "Oboe Blues." jb - My son's first CD will be called _I Am A Lonesome Oboe_. Thankfully I must get to work now. Have a lovely day Zornsters. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: collectors' corner Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:27:27 -0700 just getting to disc five of Art Tatum's 7CD complete solo masterpieces -- listen to this one and then try arguing that you recently heard a really fresh new reharmonization of an old standard -- and it's abundantly clear that my collecting has exceeded my ability to digest it all. i remember when i had three, four, five records, and knew every note, every word on them, played them over and over and over. now, there are probably a dozen discs at home that have yet to be spun, and who knows how many dozens i've never listen to thoroughly from start to finish. so, my question du jour: when did you realize you were addicted? that your simple desire to keep your ears filled with good music became outpaced by the desire to collect collect collect? do all collectors of a certain magnitude harbor a shadow of guilt? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: collectors' corner Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) --- Martin Wisckol wrote: > so, my question du jour: when did you realize you > were addicted? that your > simple desire to keep your ears filled with good > music became outpaced by > the desire to collect collect collect? do all > collectors of a certain > magnitude harbor a shadow of guilt? No guilt, no realization; only moments of clarity. I get these moments when I get things I pretty seriously dislike or am bored by. The irritation comes from thinking of all the safe(r) bets (but nonetheless mind expanding!) that I could have taken. Last night I had a moment of clarity with a Mille Plateaux compilation. Bo-ring. Otherwise, well, running out of money does it to me every time. ----s ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: oboe Date: 11 Apr 2001 15:04:54 EDT In a message dated 4/11/01 1:43:34 PM, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << Trying to recover from seeing ROVA, Leo Smith, Fred Frith, AMM, Goatwhore, Paraphrase, Candiria and Cryptopsy all within the last five days, in three different cities, almost all for the first time ... whew >> AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please! Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: drummer john hollenbeck Date: 11 Apr 2001 16:12:03 -0300 hey I've got a chance to go see a drummer who is currently an artist-in-residence at a university near here - John Hollenbeck i haven't heard of him - but he apparently plays with Cuong Vu, Chris Speed, Drew Gress, and other good players (and is featured on the Cuong Vu trio album Pure on KF). Can anyone let me know what he is like and if it is worth missing Survivor tomorrow night to go check it out (let's all pray Elizabeth doesn't get voted off) ha ha, nobody kill me. mike. np. new Rabih Abou khalil (cactus of knowledge) - best thing I've heard from him since The Blue Camel (or maybe Al-jadida) - project seemed like a disaster waiting to happen -but the large group pulls it off with flying colours - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: And because *I* care... Date: 11 Apr 2001 15:18:55 -0400 At 10:52 AM -0700 4/11/01, z~S wrote: >http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/sourdough.html Wow. That sure is a lot of yodeling. I'll bet there's more yodeling per unit time on the Sourdough Slim CD than there is on the Corin Curschellas disc. Key quote: "...he ended up a yodeling cowboy in Paradise." Not in Paradise, but not yodeling either, Maurice -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Given Subject: Re: oboe (Dan Plonsey) Date: 11 Apr 2001 12:21:34 -0700 > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:14:27 -0400 > From: "Steve Smith" > Subject: RE: Oboe > there's a disc by San Francisco reed player Dan > Plonsey called 'Understanding Human Behavio' > (spelling is correct here) on the Limited > Sedition CD-R label. He made the disc on the > first two days he owned the instrument. Dan's a > fine, fine sax player, and he manages to get > around the oboe pretty well, but let's just say that > the concept here is... different. And that's there's > a fair amount of intentionally bad synthesizer and > rhythm box playing on it, eventually. What a great disc! I love "I've Got a Little Oboe" Has anyone heard the solo Plonsey disc on Felmay (or Newtone, or whatever name they are going by)? I really like his multi-tracked recording on Music and Arts. And what else has he done that might be available? Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: Elvis Costello/Ryko Date: 11 Apr 2001 15:31:13 -0400 Mike Brooker asked: Anyone know what is going on with Elvis Costello's Rkyo Catalog? Are anymore being reissued or are the current titles all out of print? I read that Rhino now has the catalog and will be reissuing each album with new and different unreleased tracks than Ryko had. Some will be double CD releases, including "Very Best Of". - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks Date: 11 Apr 2001 16:09:59 EDT what else do we know about these xtatica cats? im all over the internet right now and i cant find a damn thing ~fishy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) Date: 12 Apr 2001 13:41:47 -0700 > I read Toop's Ocean of Sound and Exotica (is that the title?) and both are > very good. What I like about both books is that it is Toop's personal > take on the music - and it goes off in different areas.. Like I was > surprised to know that there was a David Crosby connection to Les Baxter! > > Les used to refer to David Crosby as "that psychotic folksinger." skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: NADEs Date: 11 Apr 2001 16:48:40 EDT --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Kang's '7 NADEs' What is a NADE? ben --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Kang's '7 NADEs'

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ben --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: oboe (Dan Plonsey) Date: 11 Apr 2001 14:47:22 -0700 http://www.newcreativemusic.com/i_archives.html#dp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan hill Subject: toop Date: 12 Apr 2001 02:29:23 +0100 david toop's written several books. as skip noted, "exotica" is fabulous. toop manages to combine an impressionistic, highly personal "kurtz-like" journey into exotica (a broad definition thereof), with a bunch of excellent interview material, with les baxter, ornette coleman, bill laswell, nusrat, burt bacharach and the boo-yaa tribe. "ocean of sound" is pretty much required reading in terms of understanding modern popular music - how it's made and the influences upon it. joining the dots between debussey, sun ra, aphex twin, 70s miles, etc. ... a brilliant, groundbreaking book. and i've also read "rap attack 3" which is a top-notch, rattling good read of the story of hip-hop, from bronx block parties up to tupac and notorious big ... again, lots of good research and interviews, woven together with strong writing, opinion and insight. david knows his stuff. cheers, dan. ps. please note the new email address. pps. david toop's also produced some very fine music - i think his album "pink noir" (feat. jon hassall and evan parker amongst others) is one of my favourite late-90s albums. ppps. speaking of evan parker, as we weren't, the gig with jah wobble (picking up on a thread from a couple of weeks ago) at london's QEH a week ago was abysmal, imho. wobble's egomania was in overdrive, drowning out musicians of the calibre of parker, clive bell, drummer mark saunders, steve beresford etc. - through the sheer volume of his bass, and a "live mix" which drowned everything in reverb. astonishingly bad - wobble had half the stage to himself, and 'conducted' the band zappa-style. he was just doing his usual monotonous basslines, which seemed to go on for days. rubbish. i quite like wobble's sound and style - in a context of equal footing within the rhythm section of a good band. but not here. there were many walkouts. i wished i had too, but the only gig i've ever walked out on remains astrud gilberto at the jazz cafe. the great burnt friedman also played that night, in a hit-and-miss duet with ex-can drummer jaki liebezeit. you'd be surprised by liebezeit these days - he's completely stripped his style back to basics, essentially sounding like a live drum machine, playing with only a snare, a couple of toms, and two cymbals. no kick drum (no kick drum!?!? someone who's responsible for some of my favourite kickings of kick drum on "vitamin c" off "ege bamyasi"!). he employed a plodding, deliberate style, which i quite enjoyed. there's so much rhythmic information in friedman's samples that, once liebezeit got going, he was able to pick out different accents and patterns all the time. quite entertaining, though some in the audience clearly thought he'd learnt to play the drums that afternoon. i think friedman enjoyed the 'intellectual conceit' of one of the great organic groove machines playing like a toy drummer-boy. he's like that. i'd love to see friedman play with a drummer who'd take him on though - jim black, billy kilson, joey baron, say - or indeed the liebezeit of a few years ago. the other 'act' was pole, who did his thing to no great effect. why play dance music in a posh venue like the queen elizabeth hall? he was the only one dancing ... pppps. currently enjoying mike barnes' fine book about captain beefheart. excellent good fun. ppppps. also currently enjoying "wicked grin". so there. if you like the blues, you'll like the album, whether you like waits or not. i love waits, and have no problem *whatsoever* with someone interpreting his tunes. go for your fuckin life, i reckon. you can hear waits all over it anyway, and the zorn list seems an odd place to find the notion that a certain artist's work is sacrosanct and untouchable. -- dan hill cityofsound.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: toop Date: 11 Apr 2001 21:47:09 EDT nice recap by dan as to what toop's done so far. here's some of what he's up to now. he's currently at work on a book about digital music and the body, "the impact digital music creation is having on more 'traditional' means of making music - both the ways in which it seems to make performance in the conventional sense redundant and in the ways it has connected with the very social, physical and spontaneous methods of improvised music." he's also slated to make his NY Times debut in a few weeks, writing an electroacoustic improv scene overview, tied into my mid-May Tonic festival, AMPLIFY 2001: mainsine. more details on the Tonic site, www.tonicnyc.com, scroll down to May 14/15. and I'm obviously biased, but his review of do in the new Wire is one of the best written record reviews I've ever read. it's posted on my web site under Press if you haven't seen it. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: parker/wobble Date: 11 Apr 2001 21:48:58 EDT In a message dated 4/11/01 9:31:01 PM, dan@cityofsound.com writes: << speaking of evan parker, as we weren't, the gig with jah wobble (picking up on a thread from a couple of weeks ago) at london's QEH a week ago was abysmal, imho. >> I heard some of this CD in DMG the other day and couldn't believe how bad it was. I actually thought Bruce was lying to me when he told me what was playing. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: Amm live report Date: 11 Apr 2001 22:47:30 EDT --part1_45.4dbd579.28067142_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/01 12:06:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: > AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please! > > Jon > www.erstwhilerecords.com > > I saw AMM Sunday night at Mills College in Oakland with a couple of fellow > zornlisters. It was in a big hall with great acoustics and was well > attended. AMM played in very little light,only small lamps near each one. > The music slowly unfolded and was very quiet for the most part. A lot of > it seemed driven by Rowe's electronics with Prevost and Tilbury adding > embellishments. The stage was so elevated that you could just see Rowe > hunched over a table, not really what he was doing. Very little seemed > like it was produced by strings however. Tilbury's best moments seemed to > be when he was playing the inside of the piano. At one point, in the > middle of a piece, he left the stage and went and played the piano in the > back room( with all the doors open for the sound to come out) Prevost was > very engaging to watch. Besides having a somewhat normal kit, he had a > huge bass drum laid flat upon which he did a lot of interesting cymbal > work. The drum would greatly amplify everything he did. He would slide > the cymbal across the drum in sweeping movements while he was bowing it and > at one point he had several cymbals spinning on the drum which made for > some very wavery sounds. I'm glad I went to the show, found it worthwhile, > but it wasn't as interesting as the Rova fest or the Paraphrase show the > same weekend. It seems more like a modern classical approach than a > jazz/noise improv approach. A little dry. I know I'm speaking heresy here > so I'm enclosing a bit more positive review from a local music list. > John Threadgould > > >>my impression of the concert was that it was like attending a dream. i > kept > floating in and out of being attentive/dreaming/waking/listening/hearing. > just > amazing. their use of their developed vocabulary has really become refined. > > i interviewed them collectively this morning (for an in-progress doc film > about > politicization in the avant-garde) and one of the things that keith rowe > spoke > of was that they have lately been moving from the "hotter" period of > abstraction in their music (a visual anologue would be "astract > expressionism" > for lack of a better word, but the sort of expression of individuals that > leads > to great emotional outpouring like pollock or rauschenburg - remember keith > is > a painter) into a newer "cooler" way of making improvised music which is > more > like, say rothko's color fields etc... > anyway. yeah. a good show.. > > ===== > MAGNETIC -- Jonathan Segel PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816 > magsatellite@yahoo.com <---> magnetic@sirius.com<< > --part1_45.4dbd579.28067142_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/01 12:06:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JonAbbey2@aol.com writes:


AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please!

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

I saw AMM Sunday night at Mills College in Oakland with a couple of fellow
zornlisters.  It was in a big hall with great acoustics and was well
attended.  AMM played in very little light,only small lamps near each one.  
The music slowly unfolded  and was very quiet for the most part.  A lot of
it seemed driven by Rowe's electronics with Prevost and Tilbury adding
embellishments.  The stage was so elevated that you could just see Rowe
hunched over a table, not really what he was doing.  Very little seemed
like it was produced by strings however.  Tilbury's best moments seemed to
be when he was playing the inside of the piano.  At one point, in the
middle of a piece, he left the stage and went and played the piano in the
back room( with all the doors open for the sound to come out)  Prevost was
very engaging to watch.    Besides having a somewhat normal kit, he had a
huge bass drum laid flat upon which he did a lot of interesting cymbal
work.  The drum would greatly amplify everything he did.  He would slide
the cymbal across the drum in sweeping movements while he was bowing it and
at one point he had several cymbals spinning on the drum which made for
some very wavery sounds.  I'm glad I went to the show, found it worthwhile,
but it wasn't as interesting as the Rova fest or the Paraphrase show the
same weekend.  It seems more like a modern classical approach than a
jazz/noise improv approach.  A little dry.  I know I'm speaking heresy here
so I'm enclosing a bit more positive review from a local music list.
   John Threadgould

>>my impression of the concert was that it was like attending a dream. i
kept
floating in and out of being attentive/dreaming/waking/listening/hearing.
just
amazing. their use of their developed vocabulary has really become refined.

i interviewed them collectively this morning (for an in-progress doc film
about
politicization in the avant-garde) and one of the things that keith rowe
spoke
of was that they have lately been moving from the "hotter" period of
abstraction in their music (a visual anologue would be "astract
expressionism"
for lack of a better word, but the sort of expression of individuals that
leads
to great emotional outpouring like pollock or rauschenburg - remember keith
is
a painter) into a newer "cooler" way of making improvised music which is
more
like, say rothko's color fields etc...
anyway. yeah. a good show..

=====
MAGNETIC -- Jonathan Segel PO Box 460816 S.F. CA. 94146-0816
    magsatellite@yahoo.com <---> magnetic@sirius.com<<


--part1_45.4dbd579.28067142_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: oboe Date: 12 Apr 2001 00:42:35 EDT Anybody mention Emmanuelle Somer? On her CD, "The Apple Tree" (Lyrae Records, 1998), she plays oboe and English horn. On some of the tracks, she's joined by that other noted jazz ax, viola de gamba (played by Jay Elfenbein); the lineup on those tracks also includes Chris Potter on bass clarinet and Jim Black on drums. David np: Morton Feldman, All Piano (John Tilbury) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: drummer john hollenbeck Date: 12 Apr 2001 01:48:26 -0400 John is an incredibly good drummer, one of New York's best-kept secrets. He can play literally anything, from big band swing to complete free improv. He's also a really, really strong composer. Don't know who he'll be playing with in yer hood, but yeah, you should catch the concert and then find out on Letterman who got voted off. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Wu-Tang Clan, "Little Ghetto Boys," 'Wu-Tang Forever' (Loud) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of mwoodwor Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:12 PM hey I've got a chance to go see a drummer who is currently an artist-in-residence at a university near here - John Hollenbeck i haven't heard of him - but he apparently plays with Cuong Vu, Chris Speed, Drew Gress, and other good players (and is featured on the Cuong Vu trio album Pure on KF). Can anyone let me know what he is like and if it is worth missing Survivor tomorrow night to go check it out (let's all pray Elizabeth doesn't get voted off) ha ha, nobody kill me. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Case" Subject: Re: NADE's..New Kang?? Date: 12 Apr 2001 16:50:48 +0950 I dont know what a NADE is, but I am sure intereted in any news about new Kang material. Anything on the horizon?< I know a few of you are mates with him, , so whats he up to..? Case NP wire free cd on April issue (Hey, im in Oz) - --part1_84.14171b7f.28061d28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Kang's '7 NADEs' What is a NADE? ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorsten_Kr=E4mer?= Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #376 Date: 12 Apr 2001 13:27:30 +0200 > what else do we know about these xtatica cats? im all over the internet > right now and i cant find a damn thing Haena Kim is credited for singing on "Pauvre Lola" (Poor Lola) on Zorn's Gainsbourg Tribute. The odd thing about it is that she sounds like April March and the whole cut (with Ikue Mori & Marc Ribot) sounds exactly like a version of the song on one of April March's records. So I always thought that she's just some kind of alias for Mrs. March. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: toop Date: 12 Apr 2001 12:58:50 -0000 >From: dan hill >Subject: toop >ppps. speaking of evan parker, as we weren't, the gig with jah wobble >(picking up on a thread from a couple of weeks ago) at london's QEH a >week ago was abysmal, imho. I caught it on radio. It was a pile of mush to be sure. I prefer Wobble when he's working on someone else's project. His own stuff, other than "Heaven and Earth" and "Molam Dub," I've found generally dull. "Molam Dub" though was an excellent CD, my favorite release from him. Speaking of Toop, one of these days I'm going to muster the words needed to praise the hell out of "Do," an absolutely groundbreaking release. The first track is fabulous. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: John Hollenbeck Date: 12 Apr 2001 09:00:24 EDT Great drummer & ESP. composer. I saw his Quintet - damn - forget the name, but it had a woman's name, like "The Jennifer Quintet" or something like that - which was heavily composed, intricate chamber jazz type stuff, & was blown away. I have no idea what he'll be doing, but I bet it will be worthwhile! To hell with Survivor - go see some music! Steve F. Don't know >hey I've got a chance to go see a drummer who is currently an >artist-in-residence at a university near here - John Hollenbeck >i haven't heard of him - but he apparently plays with Cuong Vu, >Chris Speed, Drew Gress, and other good players (and is featured >on the Cuong Vu trio album Pure on KF). Can anyone let me know what >he is like and if it is worth missing Survivor tomorrow night >to go check it out (let's all pray Elizabeth doesn't get voted off) >ha ha, nobody kill me. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Sweet Subject: Re: John Hollenbeck Date: 12 Apr 2001 09:38:34 -0400 The Claudia Quintet Bob Sweet read Music Universe Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio subcscribe to CMS Update http://www.arborville.com CuneiWay@aol.com wrote: > > Great drummer & ESP. composer. > I saw his Quintet - damn - forget the name, but it had a woman's name, like > "The Jennifer Quintet" or something like that - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Killer Joey - Joey Baron Date: 12 Apr 2001 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT) --0-25314808-987094179=:25144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One can now purchase this album from Tone Field's web site for $12.... I just got a copy yesterday and I think it's marvelous... Although I'm not familiar with the either guitarist previous work, I am quite impressed and moved with their playing... Both of them have elements of Frisell and Ribot that really work nicely with Joey's compositions... Recommended to all Joey fans... -Theo Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-25314808-987094179=:25144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

      One can now purchase this album from Tone Field's web site for $12.... I just got a copy yesterday and I think it's marvelous... Although I'm not familiar with the either guitarist previous work, I am quite impressed and moved with their playing... Both of them have elements of Frisell and Ribot that really work nicely with Joey's compositions... Recommended to all Joey fans...

-Theo


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Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-25314808-987094179=:25144-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Oboe Date: 12 Apr 2001 13:11:23 EDT In a message dated 4/11/01 8:09:02 AM, jcbivins@unity.ncsu.edu writes: << Speaking of Chicago, there's also Robbie Hunsinger (sp?). I saw her play a brief duet with Evan Parker a few years back and she was great. The oboist who played with Chadbourne may well have been Carrie Shull, a fine player who's also in the Micro-East Collective. Jason >> It's very possible that was her. I live in greensboro, nc where chadburne is from (and occasionally comes back to every once and a while). ~eriedell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: oboe Date: 12 Apr 2001 18:10:17 >AMM live reports! more AMM live reports, please! I was one of the zornlisters John mentioned at the Mills show, and he described it really well I'd say. I was going to say that I only had 2 of their CDs, Nameless Uncarved block and Live in Allentown, and that it resembled Allentown more, but that only makes sense b/c that has the same lineup. But the overall form and dynamics were similar enough that it wasn't a real surprise. It was interesting to see how they made some of the sounds, although like John said, you really couldn't see what he was doing that well. My favorite part of the show was the noisier stuff Rowe was doing -- it got loud enough that some people were holding their ears (although these loud parts didn't last long). I did notice a few musicians -- Larry Ochs, Dan plonsey ... I'm sure there were more (Jonathan Segel from Camper Van Beethoven for one apparently), but I didn't look too carefully. As for this: >i interviewed them collectively this morning (for an in-progress doc >film >about politicization in the avant-garde) and one of the things >that keith >rowe spoke of was that they have lately been moving from >the "hotter" >period of abstraction in their music [...] into a >newer "cooler" way of >making improvised music which is more like, say >rothko's color fields >etc...anyway. i keep seeing these kinds of statements from different musicians. which is fine -- at least here they are saying that "they" are moving in this direction, as opposed to "the music" or "things in general." because maybe they are for some folks, but not for everybody. i thought amm was interesting, but i also (heresy) got a lot more out of paraphrase. it is acoustic, jazz-based free improv, but it's not cliched, it's not retro, and it has the physical/emotional/rhythmic qualities that i look for more and that amm doesn't have (or strive for, yes yes, i realize this). i guess it's just a personal thing? wy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? Date: 12 Apr 2001 11:18:15 -0700 At 9:21 PM 4/7/01, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: >so the much-anticipated AMM US tour has kicked off, yet we haven't heard >about it yet. > >how did the Colorado show go, Matt? and let's hear some reports on the >California, Portland and Chicago shows once they happen also. I need >something to tide me over for a few weeks until they make it to the East >Coast. > >Jon >www.erstwhilerecords.com > They were in Portland last night. I really don't know what to write about the show, it was typically brilliant and as alike and unalike as any other AMM show. It was at the Old Church, and sponsored by the Creative Music Guild. The CMG really deserves some credit, they have been booking some amazing shows this year (Dave Douglas' Charms of the Night Sky, Sam Rivers Trio), and have done a great job of getting audiences to these shows, the Dave Douglas show, also at the Old Church, was sold out. I thought the turnout at the AMM show was a little light by recent standards, but still good. The Old Church is a wonderful acoustic space, definitely the best I've heard them in, and also has the best piano of the shows I've seen. In the past shows, John Tilbury has tended to disappear beneath the volume that Rowe and Prevost can produce. Last night, I really got a new appreciation of how he provides a harmonic backdrop for AMM. He has a wonderful ability to play the perfect chord that harmonizes the (seemingly) non-pitched sounds that Rowe and Prevost produce. He reminded me of Morton Feldman, very slow moving, not quite tonal, yet not quite atonal either. At one point, about 1/3 of the way through the performance, he left the room and played a piano in another part of the church, and his sounds had the quality of drifting in from the ether, like Rowe's radio drop-ins. They played with just a few lights behind them, and since the light was shining directly in my eyes, I listened to much of the concert with them closed. In the past, I've tended to watch Rowe closely, and I think it's more interesting not to know who is making each sound and how. One thing I really appreciate about AMM is the way their music evolves. Most of the free improv I've seen lately is tends to be episodic, with little sense of development from moment to moment. With AMM, every sound seems to develop from the last. The musicians move slowly and with great deliberation. None of what Braxton has called "the tyranny of the sweating brow." What else? A cell phone rang at about 30 seconds in. This is one of the reasons I refuse to own one. The were a few people who seemed inspired not just to leave the concert, but to do so as noisily as possible. Despite the fact that the audience were told beforehand that they were free to move about during the show, most of the audience listened raptly throughout. At one point, Rowe dropped in, via radio, a voice saying, "If I could give you amnesia right now, would you want it?" When I saw them in Vancouver BC, 10 year ago or so, he found a voice saying, "You're listening to Vancouver's best rock." I'm constantly astounded that he finds stuff so appropriate, and often hilarious, being broadcast. These things would be cheesy if they were taped, but given that he's just magically stumbling across them, they're great. Great, great show. See them. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: NADE's..New Kang?? Date: 12 Apr 2001 13:28:19 -0700 At 4:50 PM 4/12/01, Case wrote: >I dont know what a NADE is, but I am sure intereted in any news about new Kang >material. > >Anything on the horizon?< >I know a few of you are mates with him, , so whats he up to..? Eyvind did the arranging on Aiko Shimada's new Tzadik disc Blue Marble. Aiko's an old friend, so I'm not exactly objective here, but I think it's pretty great. Probably the most pop thing ion Tzadik, but very nice. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Class cuts Date: 13 Apr 2001 00:27:42 EDT OK, when it comes to jazz cutouts, I've got a pretty good idea where to look. But what about classical cutouts? I'm currently looking in particular for Charles Ives: The Celestial Country (Collins CD 14792), which (unlike the recording on Citadel that is in print) also includes Ives' psalm settings. The CD in question isn't particularly old (1996), but the label apparently went belly-up a while back. Got a bunch of other cutout classical CD wants too. Any good tips? (Also still looking for Legba Crossing...) David np: The Band, Academy of Outtakes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Fwd: [Nettime-bold] Is Mark Dery an Absolute Idiot? Read this Date: 13 Apr 2001 02:12:41 -0400 While some of you recount your experience of amm shows in orgasmic terms / for the intellectual-oriented fringe on this mailing list here's something that just appeared on [nettime-bold]. In that email exchange Dj spooky cites his influences and quotes heraclitus, drops a lot of names, philosophises about space and time, ... hip-hop, culture at as part of an African re-contextualization, digital culture, napster, ... That might not fuel your doc film about politicization in the avant-garde but Dj spooky would certainly appreciate the attention and might perhaps even drop the word (politicization) in his next self-interview. I forward only the beginning because it's quite long, email me perso if by any chance you want the rest - and don't forget to check out www.djspooky.com to learn new things! (I guess I sort of knew Dj spooky was a pseudo-intellectual.) Delivered-To: nettime-bold@nettime.org out.... List-Id: the uncut, unmoderated version of nettime-l X-BeenThere: nettime-bold@nettime.org Hey folks, it's been a while. Things have been mega hectic in the world of djspooky.com Me, Ashley Crawford and a host of other Digital Culture progressives are in the middle of reconstructing 21C, and there's a whole bunch of literary, digital arts/theory stuff on the horizon. Multi-Cultural multi- media folks.... anything is well.... boring. But anyway, enclosed is an interview I did with Roy Christopher, the fellow who edits www.frontwheeldrive.com an e-zine that focuses on "New Science and new Media." In the dialog I talk about stuff like William Gibson's loa computer loa programs versus John Shirley's "city avatars" (John Shirley wrote a classic cyberpunk novel called "City Comes a Walkin'" that influenced Gibson big time, and the different uses of digital media in the two novels speaks volumes about how people can perceive the uh... "Africa Within" of Mchluhan's Gutenberg Galaxy of text and electri-city) and alot more stuff. Check it out! More info? Check the website, www.djspooky.com read on.... Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Hey Roy! Okay,this is the "final" edited version. Please use it instead of the ones that I sent yesterday... -------------- 1) The worlds of academia and pop culture are oft found at odds with one another, yet your work resides - and prospers - decidedly in the crossfire between the two. From your unique vantagepoint, how do you perceive the two worlds and their interaction? 1) Response: Well... the basic idea for me is to somehow convey a sense of how conceptual art, language art, and an engagement with some kind of idealism can function in this day and age. Basically, as an artist, my work is an investigation into how culture gets made. I guess you could say its process oriented... That doesn't mean I'm going to sit down everyday and write "cultural crit" stuff. Folks who I like to call "low level cultural bureaucrats" do that... it's a false and ultimately sterile way to try to beat culture into some kind of formula that they then try to stamp their name on to make some kind of "career" and it's a modus operandi that disgusts me.... A weird hero on mine is a Victorian age biologist, Paul Kammerer, who in the late 19th century/early 20th century was the first person to really explore ideas of "synchronicity" - how things converge in patterns. He would walk around and collect examples of simultaneity - coincidences would be marked and registered with exact mathematical precision, and he searched long and hard for an equation that would describe how things manifested in urban reality. He'd call this kind of stuff "the law of sequences" or a "law of series" "Das gesetz der serie" in German (that's also parallel to how we name the elements of a music track these days - "a sequence"), and he was looking for algorhythms of everyday life - how patterns appear - stuff like what the biochemist Rupert Sheldrake would call "morphic fields" - i.e. how morphology of structure can affect all aspects of the creative act. In other words, patterns ain't just about bein' digital. They are global. They are universal. They are rhythms that hold everything we know and can understand together. But anyway, Kammerer's idea of sequential reality and process oriented events - it's one of the first systematic attempts at figuring out a rhythm of everyday life in an industrial context. It ended badly - he committed suicide. I'm more concerned with praxis - how to foster a milieu where dialog about culture becomes a way to move into the pictures we describe with words, text, sounds - you name it. I'm an archivist of sound. Like I always enjoy saying its a method that becomes "actionary" rather than "re-actionary" - you end up with a culture that is healthier and more dynamic. What Kammerer would call a series, someone like Henry Louis Gates would call "signifyin'" - it's all about how we play with perception of events, and this is the link that I make between dj culture, techno-science, and the art of everyday creativity in a digital environment. I'm not really concerned with the "academy" per se - it's one reflection of the illusions of class structure and hierarchy that have clouded any real progressive contexts of criticism and that I think have been an absolute bane to any kind of creativity in American culture for the last decade or so. When theory gets too in the way of culture, it's dead. Period. No comma, no colon, no semi-colon... it's the end of the sentence, and it's time for a new paragraph. Turn the page, close the book, check a different website, 'cause that's when things get really really boring. I think that youth culture reflexively understands this. Part of my goal was to bypass the notion of the "critic" as an "authority" who controls narrative, and to create a new role that's alot more concurrent with web culture: you become the cultural producer and content provider at the same time. It's a role consolidation. After all, American media is so utterly terrible that even lame critics like Mark Dery are still around. That's not just sad, it's something that is a tragedy. When you're in a situation where the pop culture mags are terrible and the art/theory stuff is so out of touch with what's going on... it's time for a new situation. End the mix tape, stop the CD player, press cancel on that file that was downloading... whatever... I started dj'ing as a conceptual art project that critiqued alot of the absolutely terrible things I see in American media, and the end result was to create my own platform - social sculpture - [snip snip snip] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Class cuts Date: 12 Apr 2001 23:14:47 -0700 DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > > But what about classical cutouts? I'm currently looking in particular > for Charles Ives: The Celestial Country (Collins CD 14792), which (unlike the Berkshire Record Outlet lists it in stock @ $6.99 (you'll probably need to cut & paste the link): http://www.broinc.com/cgi-bin/seek.cgi?StartRow=1&Label=COLLINS+CLASSICS&QueryText=ives&RPP=10&AndOr=OR&Meth=Some They can be *slow* (don't even think of seeing your order in less than 4 weeks, 6 is more likely) but the selection is massive ... usually worth checking for the Hat Art, ECM & New World cutouts, too. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant." -- Warren Dearden np: Lungfish, _Necrophones_ nr: John Dunning, _Booked to Die_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: [Nettime-bold] Is Mark Dery an Absolute Idiot? Read this and find out.... Date: 13 Apr 2001 03:26:51 EDT "I started dj'ing as a conceptual art project that critiqued alot of the absolutely terrible things I see in American media, and the end result was to create my own platform - social sculpture -" In this vain I was wondering how many of you have ever heard of Negativland. It's a band that uses a kind of collage sampling method to create their pieces, some of which function as formulaic songs and the majority of which are cuts and connections between seemingly random noises and pieces of information. Their albums always have a distinct focus, however, and range from biting social comedy to lighthearted parody. The idea is to use media itself as media commentary. They put out an album which I absolutely love called Dispepsi, which does exactly that. It disses pepsi, using their own commercials and press statements aswell as discussions on television and radio. The end result is somethign that's sometimes riotous and sometimes disturbing, but that makes u feel exquisitely guilty every time you buy a product from any kind of major corporation. They present pepsi as simply an example, the poster child, we can say for argument's sake, of big business's methods of using the media to sort of beat the public into buying their products. But ignoring their album work, they do a weekly radio show which can be heard over the internet called "Over the Edge," which uses the same elements of media sampling as on their albums, but relies heavily on spontanaity and improvisation. They call it "cultural jamming." Sometimes theyll work around a certain theme, musical or otherwise, and sometimes they'll just wing it. The idea behind it was to change the way radio as a live medium is used, incorporating nearly all the usually untouched machinery in the station to experiment with new sounds. They also encourage listeners to call in and talk about anythign they want to. But they ask you 3 things: 1, dont say hello. if u say hello, u will get cut off. they only want your voice, they wont respond to anythign u say, but u will be involved in a live improvised broadcast, so they would prefer u dont waste time. 2, be prepared. often listeners will actually jam with them, using their own instruments at home, horns or synths or even flipping around on the tv. But the worst thign u can do is call them and suddenly realize ur on air and not know what to say. if u say hello, they will cut u off, and if ur silent they will cut u off. 3, they ask that u accept ahead of time that theyre only using u the way they would use anything they were sampling, you are just another sound to them, and they reserve the right to cut u off in midsentence and at any time theyw ant to. and they ask that u not be offended when they do, but instead take pride in havign participated insomethign with them. There's a great essay about what they do, how they do it and why they do it on the website. www.Negativland.com They also have this awesome album that makes fun of U2, and actually has a rare recording of casey kasem practicing announcing a U2 single and saying something like "these are 4 morons from ireland and nobody gives a shit." They got away from Dispepsi withotu a lawsuit, but not this one. And after U2 sued the pants off them for libel and copyright infringement, they went ahead and stole negativland's idea and made it the running theme of their ZooTV tour. little known fact. anyway, thats enough rambling for a while. if ur curious about them check out teh website, they have some of their older live shows there to be heard free if u dont want to wait for the next actual show. ~fishy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: [Nettime-bold] Is Mark Dery an Absolute Idiot? Read this and find out.... Date: 13 Apr 2001 04:02:22 EDT *vein. i'm that tired. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 16:01:24 +0200 Zorn Agains, I'm enjoying some avant-classical stuff (Hemingway - Chamber Works, Zorn - String 4tets, Dresser - Banquet). Any other string recommendations in the same vein? greetings, Rob@llaert.NU np: places - brad mehldau - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: Hans Bellmer exhibit in NYC Date: 13 Apr 2001 10:41:06 -0400 See New York Times article below and www.icp.org for more info. ----- Hans Bellmer: A German-Born Artist's Obsession With Doll Images The International Center of Photography is presenting a retrospective of Hans Bellmer, a German-born artist whose doll images continue to unsettle and disturb. www.nytimes.com/2001/04/13/arts/13GOLD.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Class cuts Date: 13 Apr 2001 11:20:15 -0400 David: As Jim Flannery pointed out, the Berkshire Record Outlet is ALWAYS a great source for classical cut outs. However, since I know that you're in New York, I'll also add this tip (which is copied to the list for the benefit of other New Yorkers and those planning a visit). If you're as much into instant gratification as I am, you'll want to try both of the following. The Tower Clearance Annex (at 4th and Lafayette, upstairs over the video store) has for the last month or so been holding a HUGE blowout sale, where virtually everything is on sale for $4.99 a disc. They've got a ton of Collins overstock on hand. I don't remember if they've got the Ives disc you mention, but I've picked up in the last few weeks a bunch Collins releases of the handful of Peter Maxwell Davies recordings I was missing as well as Birtwistle's 'The Triumph of Time.' I also grabbed a Graham Fitkin disc on Argo and an amazing Scelsi disc on Accord. And they had numerous New World discs when last I checked, also at $4.99 apiece and not just limited to classical (I saw a Mario Pavone title and the Ehrlich/Abrams duo, to name two, in the "Various 20th Century" section). Most of the stuff is in pretty random order in huge dump bins, though you might also find the Ives you're looking for in the regular Ives bin. Plan to spend an hour or so to pick through the countless Brahms symphonies and Mozart choral music releases, and you're bound to come away with an armload. Whie you're there, look for Enja and Red Toucan cut-outs in the jazz section and remaindered Fela import Barclays in the world section (these last are $12.99, but I bought three more anyway). You might also find a used copy of what you're looking for at Academy on 18th Street between 5th and 6th Avenues, where I've been cleaning up on out-of-print Argos by Fitkin, Sessions, Feldman and Turnage just lately. (Modern classical seems to be the general mode I'm in lately, which is no doubt work-related.) This store's always a great resource because it's where most of the reviewers in town dump their promos. Have fun! Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Mark Wastell/Derek Bailey/Rhodri Davies, "MW/DB/RD," 'Company in Marseilles' (Incus) (though my ears are still buzzing and howling from hearing Derek Bailey solo and then The Haunted and Lamb of God, all last night...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HirakeMike Subject: The Residents Date: 13 Apr 2001 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) What works by The Residents would one recommend for the uneducated listener? Is the music worthy of exploration? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 11:27:10 EDT In a message dated 4/13/01 10:02:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rob@llaert.NU writes: > Zorn Agains, > > I'm enjoying some avant-classical stuff (Hemingway - Chamber Works, Zorn - > String 4tets, Dresser - Banquet). Any other string recommendations in the > same vein? > > greetings, > Rob@llaert.NU > np: places - brad mehldau I'd recommend "Charms of the Night Sky" from Dave Douglas, or any of his "String Band's" releases. Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: The Residents Date: 13 Apr 2001 11:30:40 -0400 We went over this recently on the list, so you might want to dig through the archives if you've got time to look for the extensive posts. Likewise, there was a good Residents primer in a recent issue of The Wire. Yes, the Residents are eminiently worth exploration, though you'll find a diversity of opinion, especially as regards their most recent work. That said, if they were still in print, I'd recommend easily the two Ryko compilations 'Heaven' and 'Hell.' You might be able to find them used, and they're still a great entry point. But since they're apparently deleted, I'll go with my two favorite albums, 'Third Reich'n'Roll' and 'The Commercial Album,' which taken together provide a similar sort of yin-yang look at the group's concerns and methodologies. (Note that virtually everything the Residents have ever done is now available on remastered CD from Eastside Digital.) Now sit back and wait for Kurt Gottschalk to say something much more authoritative. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Simon Fell/Will Gaines, "SF/WG," 'Company in Marseilles' (Incus) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: The Residents Date: 13 Apr 2001 08:37:17 -0700 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) HirakeMike wrote: > > What works by The Residents would one recommend for > the uneducated listener? Is the music worthy of > exploration? Sure! After all these years, the relevance of their music stands quite well. Two of my favorites are: COMMERCIAL ALBUM (set of 1mn songs) NOT AVAILABLE THIRD REICH AND ROLL is quite good also (kind of hommage to R&R songs). For an unknown reason, the first LP never clicked the way most of the others did. The music is quirky, experimental and very listenable, and can give you the creeps sometimes. Definitely a unique band that we would have to create if it did not already existed :-). Patrice. PS: I tried to make a bet with Keith Rowe that they would tell the world the meaning of AMM as soon as the Residents would uncover their identity. Needless to say that I failed to get a commitment. PPS: best bet on the meaning of AMM (from Rohan de Saram through Eddie): Ain't Make Money - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 14 Apr 2001 09:07:09 -0700 > Zorn Agains, > > I'm enjoying some avant-classical stuff (Hemingway - Chamber Works, Zorn - > String 4tets, Dresser - Banquet). Any other string recommendations in the > same vein? > > greetings, > Rob@llaert.NU > np: places - brad mehldau > > - > Arcadia String Trio w/Feldman/Roberts/(I think) Cohen skip h np: NRBQ -- tiddlywinks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: New Company releases on Incus Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:08:38 -0400 Those who actually look at "NP" listings under signatures have no doubt spotted the new Company release I'm still listening to. Marking the occasion of the new Company week about to take place here in New York next week, Derek, Karen and Incus have just issued three new Company releases, two archival and one new. Incus CD 41 Company 5 (originally Incus LP 28) Derek Bailey, Leo Smith, Maarten van Regteren Altena, Tristan Honsinger, Anthony Braxton, Steve Lacy, Evan Parker More music from Company Week 1977, already represented on the earlier CD release 'Company 6/7' single disc, $20 Incus CD 42/43 Epiphanies by Company (originally Incus LP 46/47) Derek Bailey, Ursula Oppens, Fred Frith, George Lewis, Akio Suzuki, Julie Tippetts, Moto Yoshizawa, Anne Le Baron, Keith Tippett, Phil Wachsmann One of the more diverse Company weeks, recorded in 1982. double disc, $27 Incus CD 44/45 Company in Marseilles (new release) Derek Bailey, Will Gaines, Simon Fell, Mark Wastell, Rhodri Davies Recorded in France (duh) in 1999, this includes all five of the musicians playing at Tonic next Tuesday. Will they all perform together on that occasion? Who knows? double disc, $27 An Incus "supplementary list" also includes non-Incus new releases which include 'Llaer' on the Sofa label with percussionist Ingar Zach, 'Vortices & Angles' on Emanem with John Butcher and Rhodri Davies, 'Daybreak' on Emanem with Ian Smith, Gail Brand, Oren Marshall and Veryan Weston, '!*#@=?" on an unnamed label with percussionist Michael Welch, and 'And' on the Rectangle label with Pat Thomas and Steve Noble. They've also got the rather hard-to-find 'Drop Me Off on 96th.' Virtually all of these are for sale at the Tonic gigs, or by mail. E-mail me privately if you need ordering information. This has been a public service announcement on behalf of one of my favorite negligible-profit corporations in the world... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Simon Fell/Derek Bailey, "SF/DB," 'Company in Marseilles' (Incus) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:16:53 -0400 Close - Arcado's bassist was Mark Dresser. Also, after Roberts left there was a disc on Avant with Ernst Reijseger. Still later, Eyvind Kang replaced Mark Feldman; I don't think that lineup recorded. But it's a great recommendation. Here's another: IST (bassist Simon Fell, cellist Mark Wastell, harpist Rhodri Davies), who have a disc called 'Ghost Notes' on Fell's label, Bruce's Fingers. Four trio improvs, plus compositions by Fell, Wastell, Phil Durrant, and some other contemporary composers. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Mark Wastell/Will Gaines/Rhodri Davies, "MW/WG/RD," 'Company in Marseilles' (Incus) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 12:07 PM Arcadia String Trio w/Feldman/Roberts/(I think) Cohen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:50:25 EDT Well, obviously Zorn's Masada String Trio (Mark Feldman, violin, Erik Freidlander, cello, and Greg Cohen, bass), plus the Bar Khokba Sextet, which adds guitar, drums, and percussion to the trio. Their recordings are sublime. Amsterdam String Trio (Maurice Horsthuis, viola, Ernst Reisjeger, cello, Ernst Glerum, bass), plus various other projects involving Reisjeger - his solo CD on Winter & Winter (Colla Parte Versioni Per Violoncello Solo) was very good. There's also a great string piece in one of the ICP Orchestra's Bospaadje Konijnehol CDs (I forget if it's 1 or 2), with Reisjeger and Tristan Honsinger on cellos. Honsinger also shows up as part of a five-cello contingent in Butch Morris's Conduction 23. That's also pretty wild stuff. Arcado String Trio (Mark Feldman, violin, Hank Roberts - and later Reisjeger - cello, Mark Dresser, bass). Feldman's "Music for Violin Alone" and "Music for Violin and Piano" with Sylvie Courvoisier are also must-haves - the latter is really remarkable. Yuko Fujiyama (piano), Feldman (violin), and Tomas Ulrich (cello) also produce wonderful avant chamber jazz on Fujiyama's "Tag" CD. And more good violin-piano stuff from Mat Manari and Matt Shipp on various recordings. Check out the groups Friedlander has lead also - Chimera and Topaz. Another great avant cellist is Vancouver's own Peggy Lee. She's got a beautiful cello-guitar duo CD with Carlos Zingaro on hatOLOGY ("Under Western Skies") and and leads or plays on several excellent CDs on the Spool label. This is what I can quickly think of off the top of my head (without having my collection at hand). There's more... David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:54:14 -0400 With all the discussion about the Knit, thought I'd point out some new and possibly unexpected releases: Charles Gayle's "Jazz Solo Piano" (which I was quite surprised to like, we'll see if it holds up to repeated hearings), Ori Kaplan Percussion Ensemble (w/Ibarra) "Gongol" and Ballin' the Jack "The Big Head." And maybe the new Shimmy-Disc counts, it's currently dominating my player: "No Knowledge of Music Required" by the Du-Tels (Peter Stampfel & Gary Lucas). Lang - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:24:08 EDT Carol Emanuel's "Top of Trees" is quite nice too. Tom In a message dated 4/13/01 12:19:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > Close - Arcado's bassist was Mark Dresser. Also, after Roberts left there > was a disc on Avant with Ernst Reijseger. Still later, Eyvind Kang replaced > Mark Feldman; I don't think that lineup recorded. But it's a great > recommendation. > > Here's another: IST (bassist Simon Fell, cellist Mark Wastell, harpist > Rhodri Davies), who have a disc called 'Ghost Notes' on Fell's label, > Bruce's Fingers. Four trio improvs, plus compositions by Fell, Wastell, > Phil Durrant, and some other contemporary composers. > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Mark Wastell/Will Gaines/Rhodri Davies, "MW/WG/RD," 'Company in > Marseilles' (Incus) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 12:07 PM > To: Rob Allaert; Zornlist > Subject: Re: Avant Strings > > Arcadia String Trio w/Feldman/Roberts/(I think) Cohen > ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 13 Apr 2001 10:30:47 -0700 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:54:14 -0400 wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > > With all the discussion about the Knit, thought I'd point out some new and > possibly unexpected releases: Charles Gayle's "Jazz Solo Piano" (which I > was quite surprised to like, we'll see if it holds up to repeated hearings), > Ori Kaplan Percussion Ensemble (w/Ibarra) "Gongol" and Ballin' the Jack > "The Big Head." And maybe the new Shimmy-Disc counts, it's currently > dominating my player: "No Knowledge of Music Required" by the Du-Tels > (Peter Stampfel & Gary Lucas). And DMG even mentions another one: MAY 2001 Street date: May 22, 2001 Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' Knitting Factory CD 291 Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin, mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson (trumpet). which is strange since a record with the same name was released on Koch last year. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 13 Apr 2001 10:36:47 -0700 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:30:47 -0700 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:54:14 -0400 wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > With all the discussion about the Knit, thought I'd point out some new and > > possibly unexpected releases: Charles Gayle's "Jazz Solo Piano" (which I > > was quite surprised to like, we'll see if it holds up to repeated hearings), > > Ori Kaplan Percussion Ensemble (w/Ibarra) "Gongol" and Ballin' the Jack > > "The Big Head." And maybe the new Shimmy-Disc counts, it's currently > > dominating my player: "No Knowledge of Music Required" by the Du-Tels > > (Peter Stampfel & Gary Lucas). > > And DMG even mentions another one: Correction, it was from a Koch newsletter, courtesy of Steve Smith. Could it be a mistake? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 10:39:09 -0700 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:24:08 EDT Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > Carol Emanuel's "Top of Trees" is quite nice too. Wow! If we move to harp now, piano is not far away :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:38:47 -0400 I think I made the same mistake in my lengthy post on upcoming Koch stuff. The actual name of the new release is 'Sleeping by the Light of My Own Candle.' And another mistake Bruce and I both made: the actual name of the bass player is Dom Richards, not "Don." Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - some kinda power drill outside on the street... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrice L. Roussel And DMG even mentions another one: -- MAY 2001 Street date: May 22, 2001 Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:42:28 -0400 Of course, now that Patrice has revised the source of his information, Bruce stands faultless. Mea culpa. Figures I'd fuck something up in all that typing. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - drrrrrrrrrillllllllll... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:39 PM Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com And another mistake Bruce and I both made: the actual name of the bass player is Dom Richards, not "Don." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: blues dream? zony? Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:54:02 -0400 No mentions of Blues Dream out there amongst the zornsters? At least not = since it's release... This is a constant in the cd player lately. Maybe = I'm gettin' old and into chillin' ? On related note, thanks to all who recommended Upper Egypt after my recent = raves over American Bandstand. So do I go for bust and pick up Zony = Mash's first two releases? Bob=20 =20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: RE: Class cuts Date: 13 Apr 2001 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) --- Steve Smith wrote: > (though my ears are still buzzing and howling from > hearing Derek Bailey solo > and then The Haunted and Lamb of God, all last > night...) What are The Haunted and Lamb of God like? I'm assuming that's two bands, right? ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 13 Apr 2001 10:57:23 -0700 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:42:28 -0400 "Steve Smith" wrote: > > Of course, now that Patrice has revised the source of his information, Bruce > stands faultless. Mea culpa. Figures I'd fuck something up in all that > typing. That's a proof to all of us (not in NY) that you are human since you can still make a minor mistake in the ocean of fantastic information that you keep on providing to the list. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: How was Derek Bailey last night? Date: 13 Apr 2001 14:09:09 -0400 Reports, please. I really wanted to go, since I've never seen him solo, but I had a class I couldn't miss. Maybe I can make it Saturday with Susie Ibarra. -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:09:51 +0200 Hi, Maybe you'd like Kronos Quartet's "Short Stories", performing compositions by Elliott Sharp, John Oswald's "Spectrum" (superb!!!) , Pandit Pran Nath and Zorn's "Cat O'Nine Tails". This version of Zorn's classic is probably the most widespread. In general terms is such a hard stuff but it's worth a listen. With a larger string ensemble, I would definitely recommend Arvo Pärt's "Cantus in Memory of Benjamin Britten" from Tabula Rasa (ECM), one of the most beautiful pieces I ever heard. Really spiritual, religious or whatever words applicable, but all in all, your legs will shake. Greetings, Efrén del Valle n.p: Peter Brötzmann Quartet & Sextet: "Nipples" -----Original Message----- >Zorn Agains, > >I'm enjoying some avant-classical stuff (Hemingway - Chamber Works, Zorn - >String 4tets, Dresser - Banquet). Any other string recommendations in the >same vein? > > greetings, > Rob@llaert.NU > np: places - brad mehldau > >- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: Soft Machine Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:21:14 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0C457.49BA0320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone!, I feel like going deeper into Robert Wyatt's discography and I heard = today several songs from Soft Machine's "third" and "fourth". I digged = the listen quite a lot but would like to be sure. I have "Ruth is Stranger than Richard" and "Rock Bottom" only. Something = tells me I'm missing a lot. Am I right? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Efr=E9n del Valle ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0C457.49BA0320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C0C457.49BA0320-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) --- Rob Allaert wrote: >Any other string recommendations in the same vein? Rob and all, I've heard some of the record MAP OF MOODS by a string-dominated quintet (2 violins, cello, bass, drums) led by cellist Tristan Honsinger, on FMP (FMPCD76, go see http://www.free-music-production.de); Louis Moholo is drumming, which is always a treat. It's been a few years since I heard this, but I remember thinking it was really varied, rich stuff, and a lot of fun besides. Check out Honsinger's pretty comprehensive home page at the Euro Free Improv site (http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/index.html). I have not heard the Dominic Duval "CT String Quintet" (??), but I keep hearing good reviews of their album. I think there's a good review at Musings: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/6100/ddct.htm Note: Cecil Taylor is _not_ in this group. I like Paul Giger's solo violin outing on ECM, SCHATTENWELT. I believe some others on the list prefer his ensemble work. And there's the European Chaos String Quartet. I haven't a clue where reviews would be, but if you don't mind music that's completely divorced from jazz influences, they might be pretty exciting. They have work on Guenter Mueller's For4Ears (http://www.for4ears.com) and O.O. Discs too, I think. FMP reissued a long CD of duos between terrific double-bassist Peter Kowald (whose solo improvisation seems to me to be presented as a prayer, or meditation, or ritual, albeit never in an ostentatious way) and bassists Barry Guy and Barre Phillips, respectively, both of whom have excellent solo work still in print. Maybe you would like solo bass insanity by the monstrous Fernando Grillo, who has a good solo recording on Ampersand/Cramps called FLUVINE (good description on the Forcedexposure site), as well as even more impressive stuff on various records by composer Iancu Dumitrescu (check out MEDIUM III...whew!). A bit much, this mish-mash, but I think every one of these would be worth exploring for fans of all things improvised and/or avant. -----s NP: Bark Psychosis - INDEPENDENCY ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Class cuts Date: 13 Apr 2001 14:33:03 -0400 Yup. The Haunted are a "classic" death metal band from Sweden, formed by former members of a band called At the Gates which I understand to have been pretty popular. Nothing too shocking, just straightforward heavy riffage, earsplitting volume, and a sound rather like the heavier end of Slayer or pre-suck Metallica. Most of the band looks like your typical Scandinavian metalheads, with that bleary-eyed, almost-slack look, but they've got the metal mechanics down well, and their singer is pretty terrific in the punk-shouter vein, plus he looks kinda like Matt Pinfield, or Butterbean. Lamb of God is my favorite of the newer death metal bands. Take the above, add a pinch of industrial groove (though nothing like stoopid so-called "nu-metal," the term coined by Kerrang for rap-appropriating jack-offs like Limp Bizkit), a dash of Meshuggah-style mathematics, and a seriously charismatic lead vocalist who's got a whiff of Southern Culture on the Skids trashiness about him, a serious vocal range, and the same air of potential danger that you get in great frontmen like Gibby Haynes or David Yow. Great album (IF you're into this stuff), better show. (While we're on the metal tip, allow me to throw in a quick plug for the Australian band Blood Duster, whose CD 'C**t' is on Edgar Lee's Dr. Jim label. It's a ridiculously funny mix of technically accomplished Carcass-style grind, A.C.'s scabarous wit and sophistication, and the philosophical seriousness of Lawnmower Deth. Great stoopid fun. Bet they'd be a riot live. And they're named after a Zorn tune, so there's the Z-content. Check out http://members.ozemail.com.au/~drjim/. End of plug.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - heavy metal in the streets, courtesy of Verizon (that's the phone company, for non-Americans on the list)... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Scott Handley What are The Haunted and Lamb of God like? I'm assuming that's two bands, right? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: NPs (was: New Company releases on Incus) Date: 13 Apr 2001 14:56:11 EDT In a message dated 4/13/01 12:11:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << Those who actually look at "NP" listings under signatures have no doubt spotted the new Company release I'm still listening to. >> I wish more people listed their "NPs", despite how it might relate to the list or NG to which they're posting. IMO, it's the best way to discover people whose listening tastes parallel my own, and it turn, open up possibilities to discover music I may have otherwise overlooked. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Antonio_Mart=EDn?= Subject: Zorn on BBC Radio 3 Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:57:55 +0200 Next week on Friday you can hear on BBC radio 3 that: 23:30 Jazz On 3 Features a rare solo performance by leading light of the New York avant-garde scene John Zorn, and music from radical trio Satlah, who present their blend of jazz and Jewish/Middle Eastern sounds. You can hear in http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3.shtml - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Antonio Martín" Subject: Re: Soft Machine Date: 13 Apr 2001 21:00:43 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0C45C.CDD99D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Efren, try with "shleep" you can hear Evan Parker on several = tracks. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Efr=E9n del Valle=20 To: Zorn-list=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: Soft Machine Hi everyone!, =20 I feel like going deeper into Robert Wyatt's discography and I heard = today several songs from Soft Machine's "third" and "fourth". I digged = the listen quite a lot but would like to be sure. =20 I have "Ruth is Stranger than Richard" and "Rock Bottom" only. = Something tells me I'm missing a lot. 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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0C45C.CDD99D00-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Speaking of avant strings, maybe you would like the highly processed violin of Kaffe Matthews. (She has since stopped using violin, I think.) She's on the titanic triple-disc STRINGS WITH EVAN PARKER (sic?) on Emanem, which was given mixed reviews on the list about a month ago. Phil Wachsmann's processed violin and fine tape-work is paired with genius percussionist Paul Lytton's wired up batterie on the ECM release SOME OTHER SEASON, which comes highly, hihgly recommended. I also really like Phil Durrant's solo violin album from several years ago, SOWARI, which uses electronics, tape, and overdubbing on parts. Very....scratchy. BTW, aside from the release of Durrant's DACHT (w/Malfatti, Lehn), now he has his very own home on Euro Free Improv! They've posted a longish essay by the man, too, for those who didn't see it in RUBBERNECK (http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/fulltext/ftdurr.html). (Hm, very suggestive that the photo used would not at all feature the violin. Hmm...) Geez, dammit... ----s, must...stop...dropping...names... NP: Hüsker Dü > Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of > Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, > and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to > music." ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: NPs (was: New Company releases on Incus) Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT) --- Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > I wish more people listed their "NPs", despite how > it might relate to the > list or NG to which they're posting. Amen, and be loose with it; "recent" listening/viewing/reading is fine as wine. I love getting hipped to new sounds, or shit I can't believe I missed, on account of being teenage fakemetalhead/jazz-anus. ----s NP: Hüsker Dü - ZEN ARCADE ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 14:11:41 -0500 You pretty much can't go wrong performancewise with anything performed by the Arditti string quartet. I'm particularly partial to their performance of the Cage string quartets on Mode, but they've covered a wide range. Their compilation "U.S.A." on Editions Montaigne (I think) is a good over view. On the very-cheap-and-very-good front, check out the Vox box "The Avant Garde String Quartet in the USA" (or something like that). Older material, but quite good. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:16:47 -0700 "Efrén del Valle" wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe you'd like Kronos Quartet's "Short Stories", performing compositions > by Elliott Sharp, John Oswald's "Spectrum" (superb!!!) , Pandit Pran Nath > and Zorn's "Cat O'Nine Tails". This version of Zorn's classic is probably > the most widespread. > Pardon my pedantry, but the Oswald piece is "Spectre," not "Spectrum." I only mention it because it's one of my favorite recordings ever. The string quartet version of Willie Dixon's "Spoonful" is pretty darn avant, too. William Crump NP: Wang Chung on some god-awful "hits of the 80s and 90s" station at work. For the love of God, Montresor!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: graham connah Subject: scott and gary show Date: 13 Apr 2001 12:30:58 -0700 i recently viewed an entertaining compilation of clips taken from a NYC public access show called THE SCOTT AND GARY SHOW. obviously early eighties: Shockabilly, post pubescent punk Beastie Boys, and a lengthy performance/interview with the Butthole Surfers. anyone on this list an afficianado of the show? who else performed on the show? are the clips i saw widely circulated? oh, and by the way, the word around here (SF) is that the bible launcher was withdrawn because zorn was receiving death threats......but you probably knew that already........ G - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Soft Machine Date: 13 Apr 2001 15:34:29 EDT In a message dated 4/13/01 2:27:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: << I feel like going deeper into Robert Wyatt's discography and I heard today several songs from Soft Machine's "third" and "fourth". I digged the listen quite a lot but would like to be sure. I have "Ruth is Stranger than Richard" and "Rock Bottom" only. Something tells me I'm missing a lot. Am I right? >> Earlier SM are more into the experimental pop realm, for lack of a better term. Absolutely phenomenal stuff, but not as jazzy as are _Third_ and _Fourth_ . Allow me to suggest Michael Mantler's _The Hapless Child_ . It features an extraordinary grouping that includes the aforementioned Mantler and Wyatt in its ranks, along with guitar god Terje Rypdal. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: NPs (was: New Company releases on Incus) Date: 13 Apr 2001 15:34:32 -0400 > I wish more people listed their "NPs", despite how > it might relate to the What about TLs: Today's Listening. Broader, possibly more embarassing. In fact I could easily set up a separate mailing list to send such stuff without clogging up the Zornlist. Anybody interested? Lang (Oh, my TLs: Gayle "Jazz Solo Piano," Marianne Faithful "A Perfect Stranger: The Island Anthology," De La Soul "Art Official Intelligence," "The Bing Crosby Story, Volume One"; hey I'm at work and can't blare out Merzbow and Brotzmann pere.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Big Fat Bass Date: 13 Apr 2001 21:39:15 +0200 Zorn Agains, How's Mark Dresser's Marinade? Anyone bought it ???? greetings, Rob @ risk np: Satoko Fujii - Kitsuni-bi (w/ Jim Black & Mark Dresser) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 13:35:45 -0700 (PDT) --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > You pretty much can't go wrong performancewise with > anything performed > by the Arditti string quartet. I'd like to attest to the remarkable consistency of the Arditti recordings on the Auvidis-Montaigne label's recordings, many of which are being reish'd under the "Naive-Montaigne" imprint, in nice monochromatic cardboard sleeve packaging. I've been really happy with the Wolfgang Rihm, Iannis Xenakis, Luigi Nono, and particularly the Helmut Lachenmann (a string quartet and unbelievably otherworldly/groovin' 'German dance suite' for quartet and orchestra). I need more Lachenmann...that stuff is phenomenal. ----s, damn, enough posting from me. NP: Oren Ambarchi - INSULATION (Touch) ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Soft Machine Date: 13 Apr 2001 14:12:35 -0700 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3070015956_57889_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Robert Wyatt is one of the great wonders of the music world. I would get everything. Virgin some years ago put out a double cd collection of his 'hits.' That would be a great place to start - 'Rock Bottom' is for sure a masterpiece. But if you like Rock Bottom and Ruth, you will pretty much like all his other releases. So do buy and enjoy. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com --MS_Mac_OE_3070015956_57889_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Soft Machine
Robert Wyatt is one of the great wonders of the music world. &n= bsp;I would get everything.  Virgin some years ago put out a double cd = collection of his 'hits.'   That would be a great place to start -= 'Rock Bottom' is for sure a masterpiece.  But if you like Rock Bottom = and Ruth, you will pretty much like all his other releases.  So do buy = and enjoy.



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--MS_Mac_OE_3070015956_57889_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Robert Wyatt Date: 13 Apr 2001 14:15:18 -0700 Robert Wyatt is one of the great wonders of the music world. I would get everything. Virgin some years ago put out a double cd collection of his 'hits.' That would be a great place to start - 'Rock Bottom' is for sure a masterpiece. But if you like Rock Bottom and Ruth, you will pretty much like all his other releases. So do buy and enjoy. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sergio luque Subject: Re: Avant Strings (arditti & lachenmann) Date: 13 Apr 2001 15:30:24 -0600 > --- Joseph Zitt wrote: >> You pretty much can't go wrong performancewise with >> anything performed >> by the Arditti string quartet. totally agreed!, my personal favs are: cage (i remember cage saying that the arditti quartet was THE string quarte= t for his music) =20 lachenmann ferneyhough xenakis nancarrow scelsi ligeti estrada & beethoven's _grosse fuge_ Scott Handley en thesubtlebody@yahoo.com escribi=F3: > particularly the Helmut Lachenmann (a > string quartet and unbelievably otherworldly/groovin' > 'German dance suite' for quartet and orchestra). I > need more Lachenmann...that stuff is phenomenal. i have that cd (helmut lachenmann 1 on auvidis montaigne) and i need more lachenmann too!, any recommendations? do you know if his writings are available in english or french or spanish? i'm particularly fond of lachenmann's idea of creating your own instruments within the traditional instruments, e.g. to make some rules for a violin: the g string always plays in fifths with the d string, the a string is always played open, the e string is always played sul ponticello and very softly, and so on. thus avoiding generic instrumental writing. happy listening, --=20 sergio luque sergioluque@yahoo.com NP: brian ferneyhough _time and motion study II_ (1973) for cello and electronics formerly known as _electric chair music_ want to loose your sense of time due to complex musical objects? "i knew i was going to be a professional the day i first became practical. practicality took the form of copying out my music neatly, keeping my desk tidy and organized -all the unimportant things that seem unrelated to the work, yet somehow do affect it" - morton feldman =20 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 17:51:02 -0400 (EDT) More avant strings: String Trio of New York with John Lindberg (bass), James Emery (guitar) and Diane Monroe (violin). Saw them in concert in NYC a couple of years ago and was quite impressed. Leroy Jenkins Themes & Improvisations On The Blues (CRI)--featuring different stribg groups and, of course, the Revolutionary Emsmble, since 2/3 were stringS: Jenkins and Sirone (bass) Ken Waxman --- Scott Handley wrote: > --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > > You pretty much can't go wrong performancewise > with > > anything performed > > by the Arditti string quartet. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Avant strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 17:04:21 -0500 Lots of good stuff recommended so far, here's lots more: Solos: There are several recordings by Leroy Jenkins, one that's fairly readily available is the solo disc on Lovely Music Tom Cora: Gumption in Limbo cello solos on sound aspects Malcolm Goldstein Sounding the new Violin OODiscs reissue of Non Sequitur/What Next? CD Goldstein plays Goldstein on da capo Phil Durrant's Sowari on Acta improvised violin with & without electronics, Cello solos by Frances-Marie Uitti on BVHaast, also CDs of works by Cage & Scelsi on Et cetera Kosugi violin solos on Lovely Music Barry Guy: Fizzles bass solos on Maya, also a great old LP of bass solos on Incus that's never come out on CD Stefano Scodanibbio: Voyage that Never Ends solo bass on New Albion Garth Knox, viola player of Arditti Quartet, solo works by Berio, Ligeti & others on Montaigne Irvine Arditti violin solos on Montaigne, also for violin & tape, Luigi Nono's Lontanaza nostalgica utopica futura Phill Wachsmann Chathuna solo violin (mostly) on Bead Mostly Quartets, a few larger ensembles Morton Feldman: String Quartet 1 on Koch (this is NOT the 4-6 hour work, though that's now planned for eventual release on Hat Now), Trio & Piano, Violin, Viola, Cello; both on Hat Now; Piano & String Quartet, both Ogre/Ogress & Hat Now list forthcoming "first recordings" of Violin & String Quartet, which work I've never heard Lois V Vierk River Beneath the River on Tzadik Philip Glass Quartets by Kronos on Nonesuch Bob Ostertag's All the Rage for Kronos on Nonesuch Steve Reich's Different trains for Kronos on Nonesuch Kaija Saariaho's Nymphaea for Kronos on Ondine Jason Hwang with the far East Side Band on Victo & New World John Adams: Shaker Loops there are several versions of this, I like the original small ensemble best & I think the only recording of that is the one on New Albion re-issued from 1750 Arch John Luther Adams: Clouds of Forgetting on New World a gorgeous tour of the tonal/timbral universe of the tempered scale There're many great discs by Arditti Quartet: some that come quickly to mind are (all from Montaigne unless otherwise noted) Xenakis Chamber works, Roger Reynolds, John Cage (two volumes on Mode), collections of music from the US, Germany, Italy, a collection that includes Nancarrow, Ruth Crawford, Xenakis, Reynolds, & Beethoven (on Gramavision), Schoenberg, Berg & Webern, -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryan W. Blum" Subject: Re: Big Fat Bass Date: 13 Apr 2001 18:16:50 -0400 I think it it fantastic. Varied, virtuosic, beautiful, you know how he plays... I'm espeically fond of the solo compositions and the quartet with Skuli Sverrisson, Gerry Hemingway and Michael Sarin. And Matthias Ziegler is back. How is your np, Kitsuni-bi by Satoko Fujii?? I've been eyeing this for a bit now. Should I go out of my way to find it? What is the interplay between Jim Black and Dresser (are they together on any other recordings?)? Ryan np: JZ string quartets > From: Rob Allaert > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:39:15 +0200 > To: Zornlist > Subject: Big Fat Bass > > Zorn Agains, > > How's Mark Dresser's Marinade? Anyone bought it ???? > > greetings, > Rob @ risk > np: Satoko Fujii - Kitsuni-bi (w/ Jim Black & Mark Dresser) > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Avant strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 18:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Can't begin to parallel Herb's encyclopedic string recs, but there are a couple more Goldstein discs, very much worth investigating, but probably more obscure: - chants cachés (Ambiances Magnetiques)with MG (violin); Rainer Wiens (prepared guitar)and John Heward (percussion) -Monsun (True Muze) with MG and Peter Niklas Wilson (bass) Ken Waxman --- Herb Levy wrote: > Lots of good stuff recommended so far, here's lots > more: > > Solos: > > Malcolm Goldstein Sounding the new Violin OODiscs > reissue of Non > Sequitur/What Next? CD > Goldstein plays Goldstein on da capo _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: How was Derek Bailey last night? Date: 13 Apr 2001 19:08:42 -0400 Derek's solo set was wonderful, as always. I couldn't actually see him, as the crowd was enormous thanks to the presence of Thurston Moore (we know that this was the case; a young woman approached the line outside prior to the gig and asked what the line was for; the young man standing behind Jon Abbey and myself said, "It's Thurston Moore from Sonic Youth," rather breathlessly). Derek played two pieces on electric, one on an old acoustic Epiphone with a gorgeous tone, and another on the electric. Lovely, lovely. One of the pieces sounded downright tuneful - like Cecil, is there a latest romanticism creeping into Derek's recent work? ;-) Lotsa confused-looking folks around me talked through a lot of the set. Can't wait to hear more tomorrow night with Susie Ibarra. I split after Derek's solo set to hear death metal at CBGB, but Bruce Gallanter told me this afternoon that what followed was a long, loud guitar duo by Moore and Loren MazzaCane Connors (in which Loren "blew Thurston away," according to Bruce) and two trios, at least one of which featured Connors on "Feldmanish" piano. But I'd be eager to hear other reports. Jon? Tom? Jesse, all I can say is, try to make it on Saturday night. Derek and Susie are special indeed. Hats off to Tonic for making all this abundant loveliness available. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Blue Noise Band, "Like I Care," 'Brad Green from Queens' (Chocolate/Southern Love)... mmm, mmm, good... one of my favorite tunes by our buddy Tom Benton and his big, fat bass. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Kudler Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:09 PM Reports, please. I really wanted to go, since I've never seen him solo, but I had a class I couldn't miss. Maybe I can make it Saturday with Susie Ibarra. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 Date: 13 Apr 2001 23:44:22 -0000 >From: wlt4@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: Re: NPs (was: New Company releases on Incus) >What about TLs: Today's Listening. Broader, possibly more embarassing. >In fact I could easily set up a separate mailing list to send such stuff >without clogging up the Zornlist. Anybody interested? Over on the avant list, our list-mate Jerzy from Poland (Happy Easter, Jerzy!) used to post his evening playlists, which I found quite fascinating actually. This could be done as unobtrusively as possible in a footer, as Lang has done. I'm going to give it a try, but I think I'll use PL for playlist rather than TL. I hope Lang doesn't mind. I'm always forgetting to put my NPs and NLs on the bottom. PL: Transonic 3: Future Primitive, Nils Petter Molvaer: Solid Ether, HIM: Our Point of Departure, Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury, DJ Pica Pica Pica: Planetary Natural Love Gas Webbin'199999, Cornelius Cardew: The Great Learning, Avantgardism Volume 2 on Law and Auder, Robert Ashley: Automatic Writing, Le Sun Ra: A Night in East Berlin/My Brothers the Wind and Sun No. 9, John Coltrane: Live in Japan CD 4 Hope that didn't clog the list too much. NP: Nils Petter Molvaer: Solid Ether _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hatta Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 17:03:52 -0700 This comment reminds me that I have heard very little "avant" harp, besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that people can recommend. This seems like an instrument full of possibilities that is regulated to romantic classical and trad "world" type stuff. Also anyone know where to find this Carol Emanuel cd mentioned below? I tried the usual suspects ('Forced Exposure', AB-CD' 'Aquarius Records' 'CDNow') and a few others with no luck. -Robert On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:24:08 EDT Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: >> >> Carol Emanuel's "Top of Trees" is quite nice too. >Wow! If we move to harp now, piano is not far away :-). > Patrice. Todays Sequence: AMM 'Newfoundland', Vladislav Delay 'Entain.', Buckethead 'Bucketheadland' -- "The true traveller is without goal, it is the absence of goals which creates the ultimate traveller." -Gao Xingjian 'Soul Mountain' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hatta Subject: AMM at the Old Church Date: 13 Apr 2001 17:05:11 -0700 Subject: TP-ing The Zorn List Date: 13 Apr 2001 17:17:05 -0700 Today's tunes: Scary Monsters - David Bowie Einstein On The Beach - ad infinitum - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:21:28 EDT Arditti: also the Ligeti quartets recordings (were they mentioned?) Utti: also the duo CD with Dresser ICP: a correction - the 10 minute string trio section with Reijseger, Honsinger, and Glerum is in the middle of the Jubilee Varia suite (haTOLOGY) And as we've edged pretty far into "modern classical" territory (which, of course, is kind of where we started with the new Zorn), let me also pitch Fred Sherry's performances of Wuorinen in various settings - solo, duo, amplified, with the Tashi quartet, with Speculum Musicae, with the Group for Contemporary Music et al. David np: Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, The Tiffany Transcriptions - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:14:48 -0500 On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:44:22PM -0000, Bill Ashline wrote: > PL: Transonic 3: Future Primitive, Nils Petter Molvaer: Solid Ether, HIM: > Our Point of Departure, Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury, DJ Pica Pica > Pica: Planetary Natural Love Gas Webbin'199999, Cornelius Cardew: The Great > Learning, Avantgardism Volume 2 on Law and Auder, Robert Ashley: Automatic > Writing, Le Sun Ra: A Night in East Berlin/My Brothers the Wind and Sun No. > 9, John Coltrane: Live in Japan CD 4 Hmm, this gets me to trying to remember what I've played today: Daniel Lentz: Apologetica Random, Inc: Jerusalem Who: Who's Next Tori Amos: varied bootlegged cover tunes Karlheinz Stockhausen: Unsichtbare Chore (or something like that) and gearing up now for the Springsteen concert on HBO. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: FS: Ensemble Sondarc, Laswell, 23 Skidoo, Jaworzyn ... Date: 13 Apr 2001 22:09:14 +0100 I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $18 -- Divination - "Distill" US 2CD (Submeta: sm9803-2) 1996 [Feat. 8 long tracks by Thomas K=F6ner (Async Sense), Mick Harris, Tetsu Inoue, Haruomi Hosono, Bill Laswell, Pete Namlook, Anton Fier, and Paul Sch=FCtze. On Laswell's defunct "Submeta" imprint.] $16 -- Ensemble Sondarc - "For Four Rooms" SWI CD (For 4 Ears) 1997 [66 min. of ensemble-improv from 6 (yes, six) doublebassists.] $20 -- Shea/Rimbaud/Hampson - "Sub Rosa Live Sessions: May 1996" AUS CD (Sub Rosa/Quantum: 051) 1996 [Feat. one piece by Rimbaud (Scanner) & David Shea, and one by David Shea & Robert Hampson (Main). Recorded live at Upstairs At The Garage, London, 5/12/96. Limited to 2000 copies. Mint.] $ 7 -- Stefan Jaworzyn - "Disco Death Fury" US 7" (Fusetron) 1995 [Nice guitar piece from 1983 split over two sides. Limited to 250 copies. Out of print.] OFFERS -- 23 Skidoo - "The Culling Is Coming" AUS CD (L.A.Y.L.A.H. Antirecords: lay23cd) 1989 [CD of Skidoo's most unorthodox LP from 1983. Pt. 1 - improvised live w/ scrap metal perc., gas pipes/cylinders, tape loops & Tibetan thighbone trumpet by D. Tibet (7/82, WOMAD). Pt. 2 - trad. gamelan (10/82, Dartington College). Brilliant, and currently deleted.] $20 -- Vidna Obmana/Djen Ajakan Shean - "Parallel Flaming" SWE CD (Multimood: mrc-015) 1994 [Lush ambient electronics, field recordings, and layers of ethnic percussion courtesy of Djen Ajakan Shean. Perhaps the best Vidna Obmana recording from his ritual atmospheric period. Original pressing.] $15 -- Whitehouse - "Erector" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd011) 1995 [Follow up to "Total Sex" from 1981. Feat. "Shitfun". Mint.] $15 -- Whitehouse - "Thank Your Lucky Stars (special edition)" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd018) 1997 [Feat. "Neronia", "Sadist" and "Still Going Strong" not on first "TYLS" pressing. Mint.] Thanks for looking. -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: How was Derek Bailey last night? Date: 13 Apr 2001 23:07:28 EDT some quick thoughts on the Bailey/Thurston/Mazzacane extravaganza: as Steve said, Derek's solo set was superb. and there were definitely some melodic passages, both electric and acoustic, as well as a wild stretch which gave me flashbacks to a Derek and the Ruins show at the Knit. when he broke out the 1936 Epiphone, he was obviously quite proud of it, and he sat down and played a few minutes of Faheyesque strumming, putting the guitar through its paces. <> Loren's best collaborators are the biggest fans of his music, which is why I was looking forward to see this, only the second duo set they've done. it worked pretty well, with Thurston remaining pretty restrained and Loren gradually going more and more wild, in his Cream-influenced mode. <> after about 45 minutes, they called Bailey up. Loren started playing piano (first time in public). he played solo while the other two set up, and both played acoustically, very quietly, along with the piano. I'm far, far, far from an expert on classical piano, but it sounded a lot closer to Bach than Feldman to me. Thurston and Derek were both playing very quietly during this stretch, lots of squeaking and scratching sounds from rubbing parts of their guitars. then Loren went back to his guitar, and they all started playing more actively. the second encore was much longer, and they were all plugged in, although Thurston was having trouble with his amp and wasn't entirely comfortable. bunch of musicians in the house, including Jim O'Rourke and Hecker, as well as Ron Asheton of the Stooges. too bad those guys aren't playing some of the Company shows; they'd shake things up some. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 23:14:20 EDT In a message dated 4/13/01 8:04:36 PM, hatta@spiralcage.com writes: << This comment reminds me that I have heard very little "avant" harp, besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that people can recommend. >> Rhodri Davies, a young English harpist, is 1/3 of IST (playing Tonic on Tuesday), and taking part in all of the Company shows. bio and discography at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/musician/mdavies.html Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Avant Harp [was RE: Avant Strings] Date: 13 Apr 2001 23:33:43 -0400 Rhodri Davies, who appears on two of the things I've mentioned today ('Company in Marseilles' and 'Ghost Notes' by IST) is about the only harpist I've heard so far in non-idiomatic free improv. He's also on the 'Strings with Evan Parker' set and the London Improvisers Orchestra release 'Proceedings,' both on Emanem. He seems to do lots of little things to physically manipulate his instrument in unusual ways, and gets impressive results. I look forward to seeing him next week with IST and Company at Tonic. And sadly, the domestic Koch version of the Carol Emanuel disc is out of print. Don't know about the original Japanese release on Eva, but I suspect the same. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins, "Colossus of Density," 'Colossus of Density' (Ipecac) (and at the moment downloading an MP3 of Fantomas, "Rosemary's Baby," from the upcoming album 'Director's Cut' from the Ipecac site...) today's playlist - Company, 'Live in Marseilles,' Napalm Death, 'Scum,' and the Melvins, 'Colossus of Density' - kinda slow day, actually. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of hatta Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:04 PM This comment reminds me that I have heard very little "avant" harp, besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that people can recommend. This seems like an instrument full of possibilities that is regulated to romantic classical and trad "world" type stuff. Also anyone know where to find this Carol Emanuel cd mentioned below? I tried the usual suspects ('Forced Exposure', AB-CD' 'Aquarius Records' 'CDNow') and a few others with no luck. -Robert On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:24:08 EDT Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: >> >> Carol Emanuel's "Top of Trees" is quite nice too. >Wow! If we move to harp now, piano is not far away :-). > Patrice. Todays Sequence: AMM 'Newfoundland', Vladislav Delay 'Entain.', Buckethead 'Bucketheadland' -- "The true traveller is without goal, it is the absence of goals which creates the ultimate traveller." -Gao Xingjian 'Soul Mountain' - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Avant Strings Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:39:25 -0700 My personal favorite, in a big way: VICTO cd 019 ELLIOT SHARP/ORCHESTRA CARBON "Abstract Repressionism: 1990-99" Gregor Kitzig violin David Soldier violin Wendy Ultan violin Ron Lawrence alto Michelle Kinney violoncello Margret Parkins violoncello Mary Wotten violoncello Lindsay Horner b Joseph Trump dr,perc,elec Elliott Sharp e-b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: new Knitting Factory albums Date: 14 Apr 2001 01:14:11 EDT --part1_f9.91347e0.280936a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/13/01 10:32:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > And DMG even mentions another one: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MAY 2001 > Street date: May 22, 2001 > > Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' > Knitting Factory CD 291 > Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin, > mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson > (trumpet). > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > which is strange since a record with the same name was released on Koch > last > year. > > Patrice. > > hey all The release on Koch last year was Rob Reddy's Quttah "However Humble". It is strange Reddy would make another cd with the same title. The lineup on the Koch is Jef Lee Johnson, Charles Burnham, Rufus Cappadocia, Dom Richards, and Hearn Gadbois(percussion). Its definitely worth getting, very memorable tunes and of course great playing. While we're talking about new KF releases, isn't there a new Brad Shepik Trio coming out soon? John Threadgould np Prayer 2 from "However Humble" --part1_f9.91347e0.280936a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/13/01 10:32:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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And DMG even mentions another one:



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MAY 2001
Street date: May 22, 2001

Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble'
Knitting Factory CD 291
Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin,
mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson
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which is strange since a record with the same name was released on Koch
last
year.

   Patrice.


hey all
      The release on Koch last year was Rob Reddy's Quttah "However Humble".
 It is strange Reddy would  make another cd with the same title.  The lineup
on the Koch is Jef Lee Johnson, Charles Burnham, Rufus Cappadocia, Dom
Richards, and Hearn Gadbois(percussion).  Its  definitely worth getting,  
very memorable tunes and of course great playing.  While we're talking about
new KF releases, isn't there a new Brad Shepik Trio coming out soon?
      John Threadgould
      np Prayer 2 from "However Humble"
--part1_f9.91347e0.280936a3_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Avant Harp [was RE: Avant Strings] Date: 14 Apr 2001 00:08:21 -0700 And Anne LeBaron. Try _The Musical Railism of ..._, a co-release by Mode and Tellus from 1995, which is split between her compositions (incl. some songs from her opera _The E&O Line_, with instrumentalists Frank London, Marcus Rojas, Myra Melford, Davey Williams, Fred Hopkins, and Thurman Barker, and a libretto by Thulani Davis) and her electric harp solos. ISTR one on Trans Museq as well, but I can't get to the L vinyl right now (ah, the joys of the one-room apartment ;^>) to check personnel. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant." -- Warren Dearden np: Cerberus Shoal, _Elements of Structure Permanence_ nr: Robert Sullivan, _The Meadowlands_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Soft Machine Date: 14 Apr 2001 10:50:10 +0200 Sm 4&3 are the best ones. IMHO you'd better avoid later guitar-base soft machine - 'softs' sucks seriously. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:21 PM Hi everyone!, I feel like going deeper into Robert Wyatt's discography and I heard today several songs from Soft Machine's "third" and "fourth". I digged the listen quite a lot but would like to be sure. I have "Ruth is Stranger than Richard" and "Rock Bottom" only. Something tells me I'm missing a lot. Am I right? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Efrén del Valle - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Thomas" Subject: Where to purchase ADDA label? Date: 14 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0500 Sorry for the off-topic post, but does anyone know where you can purchase old titles on the ADDA label? I am looking to get some old Joelle Leandre discs. Is the label still in print? TIA John - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Recording Paraphrase? Date: 14 Apr 2001 08:14:55 -0600 I'm looking forward with great excitement to Monday night, when I'll see what I'm sure will be the best live performance witnessed since beginning my avant adventure, Paraphrase Trio in Taos. Granted, because of my bullheaded unwillingness to spend much time in cities over about 100,000 in population, there hasn't been much opportunity, but nonetheless, or even more so, because of the specialness of the occasion, it'd be really great to make the most of the opportunity. Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio will be miked)? Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home. I heard once, here, I think, that even Zorn allowed recording by a paying customer, with the understanding that the recording was not to be reproduced, ever. But that was a few years ago, when the world was different. Of course, if all I can take away are my memories, it'll be enough... Dan NP: "Topsy Turvy, Gilbert and Sullivan and so much more", the DVD - much more awesome than I expected. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Recording Paraphrase? Date: 14 Apr 2001 10:21:47 -0400 1. Don't count on Paraphrase being miked. 2. I know that many folks here could testify to this: if you ASK Tim first, he's usually been okay with taping and photos. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of smokey@laplaza.org Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio will be miked)? Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Where to purchase ADDA label? Date: 14 Apr 2001 11:38:17 -0400 ADDA declared bankruptcy and went out of business sometime around 1994. But in situ, the improv series formerly associated with the label, seems to still be in business, and there's one Leandre title on that series, 'Ecritures' with Carlos Zingaro. Try this: in situ, c/o Didier Petit, 6 rue de la Justice, 75020 Paris, France; tel/fax : + 1 43 64 50 35; e-mail: didier.petit.insitu@free.fr. (Information courtesy of Peter Stubley's European Free Improvisation site: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/.) Only a handful of ADDA classical releases are available at Berkshire Record Outlet, and Cadence appears to have nothing at all left. Checking at www.gemm.com (thanks, Skip!), there are a handful of classical and avant-garde titles listed, including Leandre's 'Urban Bass,' which is being offered through a dealer called Art Control. They've got it listed at $19.00. But I also notice that their catalog does not seem to have been updated since November '99. Good luck... http://www5.gemm.com/c/search.pl?sid=8110434&key=52978&disp_ad_format_mode=0 &artist=LEANDRE%2CJOELLE&label=ADDA&&title=URBAN+BASS&label=ADDA& Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Archie Shepp, "Blue Bossa," 'St. Louis Blues' (Jazz Magnet) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Sandy Bull RIP Date: 14 Apr 2001 11:51:12 -0400 I know at least a few people on this list will want to know that classical/jazz/folk music/world music pioneer Sandy Bull has just died at age 60. There's a good obit at the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/14/obituaries/14BULL.html Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Archie Shepp, "God Bless the Child," 'St. Louis Blues' (Jazz Magnet) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: Re: Recording Paraphrase? Date: 14 Apr 2001 12:22:37 -0600 (MDT) > > Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a > flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or > ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio > will be miked)? Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all > involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home. There is a chance...in the show I had here in boulder with paraphrase and ron miles (which was great, btw) i was able to record the concert. i would second the notion that you should ask him. but its a possibility. Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music np: nothing - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: CT String Quartet, playlists Date: 14 Apr 2001 11:46:59 -0700 I was delighted by Ivo Perelman's Cd with the CT String Quartet -- "The Alexander Suite." The strings generally steer clear of traditional harmonic architecture, instead following a more freewheeling schematic ranging from delicate and melancholy to rowdy and intense. Perelman navigates the waters brilliantly, extracting wideranging tales and emotions from his accompanists.... I would like to second Arvo Part's "Tabula Rasa." One of the most beautiful releases of my lifetime -- I've been listening to it since it came out 17 years ago.... CAR CD CHANGER 1. Lori Carson -- Where it goes 2. MMW -- The Dripper 3. Ian Shaw -- Soho stories 4. Tricky -- Maxinquaye 5. John Hammond -- Wicked Grin (count me among the unimpressed) 6. Macire Sylla -- maya irafama (female, guinea funk version of youssou n'dour) HOME CHANGER 1. The Best of the Staple Singers 2. Jacky Terrasson -- Paris.... 3. Don Cherry -- Cool (just released live duet with Eddie Blackwell) 4. Bob Moses -- Love Everlasting 5. Bill Laswell -- Dub Chamber 3 6. Zoot Sims/ Lockjaw Davis -- the tenor giants Turntable Art Ensemble -- Paris Sessions Bedroom boombox Paul Bley -- Basics, with Nana Vasconcelos standing by for those special moments - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: Soft Machine Date: 14 Apr 2001 14:55:22 EDT In a message dated 4/14/01 5:10:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: << Sm 4&3 are the best ones. IMHO you'd better avoid later guitar-base soft machine - 'softs' sucks seriously. >> Definitely a different strokes thing. _Softs_ is definitely an entirely different sound from the above-much more of a spacy guitar-led Fusion thing. The susequent album _Alive and Well_ follows the same path. I enjoy them more than the previous Holdsworth-led _Bundles_ outing, and that one seems to get more accolades from most SM'ers. Would anyone else agree that *any* SM beats the hell out of what Karl Jenkins is doing these days...? -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Avant Strings/harp Date: 14 Apr 2001 15:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Here's a disc that's sorta of avant ambient -in a good way: l'intense (For 4 Ears) featuring Hélène Breschand (harp); Michael Doneda (soprano and tenor saxophone) and Gérald Zbinden (electric guitar) Ken Waxman --- hatta wrote: > This comment reminds me that I have heard very > little "avant" harp, > besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that > people can > recommend. This seems like an instrument full of > possibilities that > is regulated to romantic classical and trad "world" > type stuff. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Soft Machine Date: 14 Apr 2001 18:21:14 -0700 Most, maybe all, of the live releases of Soft Machine performances from the 3-5 era incarnations are treasures. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: Soft Machine Date: 14 Apr 2001 21:22:14 EDT In a message dated 4/14/2001 2:56:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dgasque@aol.com writes: > Definitely a different strokes thing. _Softs_ is definitely an entirely > different sound from the above-much more of a spacy guitar-led Fusion thing. > > The susequent album _Alive and Well_ follows the same path. I enjoy them > more than the previous Holdsworth-led _Bundles_ outing, and that one seems > to > get more accolades from most SM'ers. Bundles is a killing record ! Its my favourite Soft Machine, but then again its the only one I own .... -Jody - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Recording Paraphrase? Date: 14 Apr 2001 21:30:25 EDT In a message dated 4/14/2001 10:13:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smokey@laplaza.org writes: > Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a > flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or > ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio > will be miked)? Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all > involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home. Getting a recording of a board feed is pretty far from ideal .... since whoever might be doing sound is not likely to offer a special discreet mix for your recording purposes. Which is a moot point anyways since theres no way they'll be mic'd unless theyre playing a really, really big place. Either way, youre always better off just using some mics from your seat location, capturing the sound in the room and hoping for the best. Oh, and ask first. : ))) -Jody PS anyone with Quicksand tapes ?? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryan W. Blum" Subject: Barre Phillips' solo stuff Date: 15 Apr 2001 01:49:27 -0400 Can anyone tell me in what form and where Barre Phillips' solo work exists? Also, does anyone have any input on the Iancu Dumitrescu releases Medium III and Pierres Sacres in terms of Fernando Grillo content? I'm on a big solo bass kick lately, and Fluvine's grooves have begun to wear thin. BTW, the list has been so helpful in helping me find what I've been looking for lately... muchos gracias. Ryan np: Konitz/Solal, Star Eyes (Hat) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hywel Davies Subject: sideshow Date: 15 Apr 2001 07:55:14 -0700 (PDT) does anyone have the cd by Sideshow on composer records? it's a quartet (with Hollenback on drums) that improvise on tunes by Ives... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: sideshow Date: 15 Apr 2001 12:06:16 -0400 Yes. It's vibraphonist (and Zornlister) Matt Moran's project, with Oscar Noreiga on alto sax and bass clarinet, former Zornlister Adam Good on guitar, and Hollenbeck on drums, percussion and melodica. They play a set of Ives songs without lyrics. It's dreamy, impressionistic, tuneful, raucous, pretty much everything you'd expect from Ives. The sound world is not so far from a good ECM recording. Of course, I've got a certain bias that prevents total objectivity, as I helped to convince CRI/Blueshift to release the disc after I'd had a demo for over a year, and I wrote the little liner essay. But there it is. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hywel Davies Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:55 AM does anyone have the cd by Sideshow on composer records? it's a quartet (with Hollenback on drums) that improvise on tunes by Ives... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Frunobulax" Subject: new fantomas album Date: 15 Apr 2001 13:19:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0C5AE.A8243360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there. To anyone interested in the work of Mike Patton and/or his group = Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's Baby" can be downloaded from = www.ipecac.com. Look under the "ARCHIVES" category. It is a nice = progression from Book 1, but still very Fantomas. =20 dave ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0C5AE.A8243360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there.
 
 
dave
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0C5AE.A8243360-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: sideshow Date: 16 Apr 2001 10:37:18 -0700 > does anyone have the cd by Sideshow on composer > records? it's a quartet (with Hollenback on drums) > that improvise on tunes by Ives... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > I just saw that thing, and it really vexed me, because I've been working on a similar program of Ives for about a year now (although the focus is not too much on soloing). Since the release of URLICHT, there is an intense focus on classical composers as a source of improvising material. The big jazz magazines say so, so it MUST be true. I'm not sure that such formulation always a good thing. On one hand, it can lead to stuff like URLICHT, which I liked immensely. On the other, it can lead to stuff like Don Byron's last record, for which I didn't care much. Anybody notice that Frisell was way ahead of this curve, with the Ives business on HAVE A LITTLE FAITH? skip h np: HORACE SILVER: RETROSPECTIVE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: Re: new fantomas album Date: 15 Apr 2001 19:34:03 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C5E3.076CE900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to Dave's info, you will also find at www.ipecac.com the = track listing for the new Fantomas' soundtracks cover album, due in = July. Such a promising release! greetings, Efr=E9n=20 -----Original Message----- From: Frunobulax To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Date: domingo, 15 de abril de 2001 19:09 Subject: new fantomas album =20 =20 Hi there. =20 To anyone interested in the work of Mike Patton and/or his group = Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's Baby" can be downloaded from = www.ipecac.com. Look under the "ARCHIVES" category. It is a nice = progression from Book 1, but still very Fantomas. =20 =20 dave ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C5E3.076CE900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In addition to Dave's info, you will = also find=20 at www.ipecac.com the track = listing for the=20 new Fantomas' soundtracks cover album, due in July. Such a promising=20 release!
 
greetings,
 
Efrén
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Hi there.
 
To anyone interested in the work of = Mike Patton=20 and/or his group Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's = Baby"=20 can be downloaded from www.ipecac.com.   Look = under the=20 "ARCHIVES" category.  It is a nice progression from = Book 1,=20 but still very Fantomas. 
 
dave
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C5E3.076CE900-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: new fantomas album Date: 15 Apr 2001 20:13:32 +0200 The new Fant=F4mas album seems to be a Filmworks type of album Naked City never recorded: 1) The Godfather (Rota) 2) The Golem (Sasse) 3) Spider Baby (Stein) 4) One Step Beyond (Lubin) 5) Night Of The Hunter (Schumann) 6) Cape Fear (Herrmann) 7) Experiment In Terror (Mancini) 8) The Omen (Goldsmith) 9) Vendetta (Barry) 10) Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With Me (Badalamenti) 11) The Devil Rides Out (Bernard) 12) Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer (Mcnaughton) 13) 14) Rosemary's Baby (Komeda) 15) Investigation Of A Citizen Above Suspicion (Morricone) 16) Charade (Mancini) 17) Flashdance- What A Feeling (Cara) "Fant=F4mas THE DIRECTORS CUT IPC-17 due out in July" - http://www.ipecac.com/news.php __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] muzyka.emd.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: Re: new fantomas album Date: 15 Apr 2001 19:34:03 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C5E3.076CE900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to Dave's info, you will also find at www.ipecac.com the = track listing for the new Fantomas' soundtracks cover album, due in = July. Such a promising release! greetings, Efr=E9n=20 -----Original Message----- From: Frunobulax To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Date: domingo, 15 de abril de 2001 19:09 Subject: new fantomas album =20 =20 Hi there. =20 To anyone interested in the work of Mike Patton and/or his group = Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's Baby" can be downloaded from = www.ipecac.com. Look under the "ARCHIVES" category. It is a nice = progression from Book 1, but still very Fantomas. =20 =20 dave ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C5E3.076CE900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In addition to Dave's info, you will = also find=20 at www.ipecac.com the track = listing for the=20 new Fantomas' soundtracks cover album, due in July. Such a promising=20 release!
 
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Efrén
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Hi there.
 
To anyone interested in the work of = Mike Patton=20 and/or his group Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's = Baby"=20 can be downloaded from www.ipecac.com.   Look = under the=20 "ARCHIVES" category.  It is a nice progression from = Book 1,=20 but still very Fantomas. 
 
dave
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C5E3.076CE900-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: barre phillips Date: 15 Apr 2001 11:44:48 -0700 (PDT) > Can anyone tell me in what form and where Barre > Phillips' solo work exists? Phillips has an amazing solo LP (his first, I think) called 'Journal Violone' that was on Opus One and Futura and I'm pretty sure has never been reissued. There's a solo CD on Victo I've never heard. > Also, does anyone have any input on the Iancu > Dumitrescu releases Medium III and Pierres Sacres in > terms of Fernando Grillo content? Grillo plays on most of EDMN 1001 and about half of EDMN 1003. Both are great, but "Medium III" is kind of the must-hear for Grillo fans. I like EDMN 1005 too. If you ever see it, check out Maarten Altena's 'Handicaps' LP on ICP where Altena plays with casts on on both his broken wrist and the neck of his bass. -Tom Pratt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: Big Fat Bass Date: 15 Apr 2001 23:06:42 +0200 Ryan W. Blum wrote: > How is your np, Kitsuni-bi by Satoko Fujii?? I've been eyeing this for a > bit now. Should I go out of my way to find it? What is the interplay > between Jim Black and Dresser (are they together on any other recordings? > )? Fujii also recorded 'Toward To West' (Enya) with Dresser and Black. Both recordings come highly recommended. Fujii is very melodic and very intense, Dresser is haunting and Black is filling every space with 100 different sounds. Beautiful yet challenging. greetings, Rob @ risk np: Kol Nidre - The String Quartets - John Zorn (proves once more that he's a true classical composer) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Big Fat Bass Date: 15 Apr 2001 18:26:32 -0400 There's a third by the trio on her own Libra label as well, 'Looking Out of the Window.' Her website (http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~Libra/index_e.html) says it's available through North Country, but it doesn't appear in the latest Cadence list. Anyway, I've heard it and I own the other two. They're all eminently worthwhile. The Tzadik release is set apart by including saxophonist Sachi Hayasaka on three tracks. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins, "Colossus of Destiny," 'Colossus of Destiny' (Ipecac) (which I'm increasingly inclined to rename 'Melvins Machine Music'... no drums until 48 minutes into the piece, for instance...) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rob Allaert Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:07 PM Cc: Zornlist Ryan W. Blum wrote: > How is your np, Kitsuni-bi by Satoko Fujii?? I've been eyeing this for a > bit now. Should I go out of my way to find it? What is the interplay > between Jim Black and Dresser (are they together on any other recordings? > )? Fujii also recorded 'Toward To West' (Enya) with Dresser and Black. Both recordings come highly recommended. Fujii is very melodic and very intense, Dresser is haunting and Black is filling every space with 100 different sounds. Beautiful yet challenging. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: barre phillips Date: 15 Apr 2001 18:34:08 -0400 Also, not strictly solo, 'Journal Violone II' is available on ECM. It includes saxophonist John Surman and vocalist Aina Kermanis, but that's still a pretty exposed setting. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Bollywood tunes from some car parked in the street... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Pratt Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:45 PM > Can anyone tell me in what form and where Barre > Phillips' solo work exists? Phillips has an amazing solo LP (his first, I think) called 'Journal Violone' that was on Opus One and Futura and I'm pretty sure has never been reissued. There's a solo CD on Victo I've never heard. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: sideshow Date: 15 Apr 2001 18:46:15 -0400 I'd say the focus on the Sideshow disc is not too much on soloing, either. There's very little "blowing" or elaboration. The Frisell comparison is appropriate. Frisell seemed to be ahead of a number of trends on that particular album - his covers of "pop" material like Madonna and John Hiatt predate the records released by the likes of Herbie Hancock and Joshua Redman, when that was the trend du jour (not that that's gone away, either, with Jason Moran covering Bjork and Brad Mehldau doing Radiohead). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: joey ramone rip Date: 15 Apr 2001 20:57:59 -0400 Punk legend Joey Ramone passed away this afternoon. http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/news/articles/1442817/20010415/ramones.jhtml - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Joey Ramone Dead at 49 Date: 15 Apr 2001 20:37:14 -0500 (CDT) Joey Ramone, lead singer of legendary punk band the Ramones, passed away at 2:40 p.m. Sunday at the age of 49. The towering front man, born Jeffrey Hyman, did not respond to treatment for lymphatic cancer, a disease that attacks the body's ability to fight infection. Along with his cohorts Johnny, Tommy and Dee Dee — all of whom adopted Ramone as a surname — Joey was credited with helping found the modern punk movement. In mixing the griminess of the New York streets with a love of bubblegum pop, '60s girl groups and the Stooges, the Ramones inspired everyone from the Sex Pistols and the Clash to Green Day and Blink-182 to stake their turf on four dirty chords and an (often) inane hook. With his trademark rose-colored shades, black leather jacket, shoulder-length hair, ripped jeans and alternately snarling and crooning, hiccoughing vocals, Joey was the iconic godfather of punk. He gave voice to some of the most revered songs in the punk canon: "Blitzkrieg Bop," "Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment," "Rock 'n' Roll High School," "I Wanna Be Sedated," "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker." His profile was indelible. The image of Joey's body, left foot forward, right foot back, left hand strangling the microphone, fist pumping in the air as he shouted one of the band's unofficial mantras, "Gabba Gabba Hey!," is forever imprinted in the minds of any fan who attended one of the band's 2,263 shows. Born in the Forest Hills section of Queens, New York, on May 19, 1952, Joey founded the Ramones in 1974 with Johnny, Dee Dee and Tommy. Originally the drummer, Joey switched to vocals two months after the band played it first show in March 1974 at New York's Performance Studio. The group soon became a staple at the dingy New York punk club CBGB, home to fellow downtown bands Talking Heads, Patti Smith and Blondie. In 1975 the Ramones became the first punk band to sign a record contract. Their self-titled debut, recorded for $6,000, was released in 1976 and featured such rock landmarks as "Judy Is a Punk," "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue" and "Beat on the Brat." Destroying the '70s prog-rock idea that rock had to be played by learned musicians in full command of their instruments, the Ramones pioneered the do-it-yourself ideal that inspired thousands of punk bands with lots of energy but dicey chops to pick up instruments and rock. Their 1977 album Ramones Leave Home featured a quintessential mix of gutter-punk anthems and homages to classic pop songs ("I Remember You," "Oh Oh I Love Her So"). It also featured the unofficial Ramones anthem "Pinhead," in which Joey sang, "I don't want to be a Pinhead no more/ I just found a nurse that I could go for." The Ramones not only prodded bands such as the Sex Pistols, the Clash and X-Ray Spex to take up their instruments and take on the world, but they also laid the path for the next generation of new wave and punk bands to rock maximally with minimal flourish. Inspired by the Ramones' wide-open subject matter — which ranged from sniffing glue to male prostitution to lobotomies — as well as by the music, '80s bands such as Husker Du, the Replacements and Devo further exploded the notion of how rock could sound. The Ramones released what is arguably their best album, Rocket to Russia, in 1977. Featuring such concert staples as "Cretin Hop," "Rockaway Beach" and "We're a Happy Family," the album not only summed up the glum outlook of the punk generation, it was a shrill counterpoint to the disco music that was sweeping the nation in the wake of "Saturday Night Fever." After trying their hands at the movies, starring in 1979's "Rock 'n' Roll High School," the group entered the studio with one of their idols, '60s' "wall of sound" producer Phil Spector. The resulting 1980 album, End of the Century, included a cover of "Baby I Love You" by the Ronettes, who were fronted by one of Joey's favorite singers, Ronnie Spector (Phil's ex-wife). The group followed with 10 more studio albums of speedy, anti-social punk and a relentless touring schedule, and enjoyed Beatlemania-style fame in Argentina and Japan. Although the band rarely cracked the album charts and achieved marginal album sales during a 22-year career, its influence continues to this day. With most of his contemporaries faded, dead or inactive, Joey became the embodiment of first-wave punk, with a shy, soft-spoken manner that belied his band's twisted songs about social misfits too bored, disconnected or disaffected to play by the rules. Joey may have shared a last name with his bandmates, but familial love couldn't keep them from their constant bickering, leading to the Ramones' dissolution in 1996. After the group played its final show on August 9, 1996 — such fans as Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder and Soundgarden's Chris Cornell jammed with the Ramones that night — Joey continued to carry the torch for the music he loved. In addition to producing an EP and an album by horror-ska rockers the Independents — whom he tirelessly championed and managed for much of the late '90s — Joey co-produced a 1999 EP by his idol Ronnie Spector. The EP featured one of Joey's most poignant tunes, "She Talks to Rainbows," a ballad he wrote for the Ramones' 1995 studio swan song, Adios Amigos!. It was about a girl Joey would often see in his neighborhood, who he said looked like she was in her own world. "She's a little lost girl in her own little world/ She looks so happy, but seems so sad/ Oh yeah/ I'd like to help her/ I'd like to try/ Oh yeah," Spector sang in her trademark yearning voice on the EP. In addition to trying to help resurrect the career of his hero Spector, Joey was working on his debut solo album over the past three years. Collaborating with long-time Ramones producer Daniel Rey, Ramone had written nearly 20 new tunes that he planned to record with a band that included Andy Shernoff of the punk group the Dictators, Cracker drummer Frank Funaro and Rey on guitar. Joey kept a low profile over the past few years, jumping onstage to belt out occasional Ramones songs at birthday parties in his honor thrown by his punk-rocker friends in New York. In February 2000, he buried the hatchet with former Ramones drummer Marky Ramone, recruiting Marky to play on a handful of his solo songs. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Joey Ramone Dead at 49 Date: 15 Apr 2001 21:01:02 -0700 This is such sad news. When I first heard the debut Ramones album 'I thought this is it -sort of the end of rock as I knew it. It was such a simple conceptual stance and sound that in reality it was almost 'intellectual' in its nerve and humor. When I saw them around that time (76 I think), it was such a brilliant performance -I think their set was only 20 minutes long - and that was that. Perfect length and I guess they were sort of the perfect rock group. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Thomas" Subject: Re: Barre Phillips Date: 15 Apr 2001 23:32:32 -0500 > From: Tom Pratt > There's a solo CD on Victo I've never heard. > I agree with Tom the Opus One LP is great and this Victo release _Camouflage_ is also in the same league. Phillips remains for me the most lyrical and graceful of the free jazz/improv bassists out there. William Parker even dedicates his solo bass recording _Testimony_ partially to Phillips, thanking him and Marzette "for starting it all." John - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: Big Fat Bass Date: 16 Apr 2001 08:55:21 -0000 I can see that Satoko Fujii has started playing a lot with Tatsya Yoshida from The Ruins. That was a surprise. Anyone heard that? Is it still jazz, I have never heard Tatsya play anything liek that at all. bye _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Odp: Soft Machine Date: 15 Apr 2001 14:06:18 +0200 > Definitely a different strokes thing. _Softs_ is definitely an entirely > different sound from the above-much more of a spacy guitar-led Fusion thing. I bought some ten years ago, when i was a huge '70s fusion fan. I played that record only a few times: a kind of quite vukgar mahavishnu rip-off. > Would anyone else agree that *any* SM beats the hell out of what Karl Jenkins > is doing these days...? What's he up to? Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Allsound.org Date: 16 Apr 2001 04:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Some may already know about this, but I just found out today and thought others here might be interested (I know i was). www.allsound.org What it is is a Slashdot.org styled news site for avant/jazz/experimental music, run by one of the members of Gravitar. Looks like it's just getting started, but seems promising. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: More strings Date: 16 Apr 2001 06:53:53 -0500 Good to see all of the other Arditti mentions, I'd forgotten about many of them. Over the weekend, while I was digging out a few of the discs mentioned in this discussion, I found a few other things that might be of interest: Gloria Coates Symphony #1 (formerly released on vinyl as Music for Open Strings) chamber orchestra work for bowed strings with no fingering, instruments are re-tuned during the course of the piece. Louis Andriessen also has a work for such an ensemble, I can't find it, & it may not be on CD, with a similar name, though it's only in Dutch on the vinyl I think I still have, somewhere. Both of these remind me of some of the sounds from Ellen Fullman's Long String Instrument and Stephen Scott's bowed piano music (we're now even closer to piano music, Patrice). Also, harpist Rhodri Davies, cited a few times as a member of IST, is also involved in a trio called Cranc with his sister Angharad Davies (violin) & Nikos Veliotis (cello) with a CD out on a Greek label Edo. & I don't recall much being said about violinist Carlo Zingaro who has a few solo discs and collaborations with keyboard/computer maven Richard Teitelbaum, cellist Frances-Marie Uitti, and others in addition to the duo with Peggy Lee that was mentioned earlier. There're several interesting CDs by Paul Zukofsky, a compilation, and discs of music by Morton Feldman & John Cage. He's also got what's probably the only recording of Steve Reich's Violin Phase. I'll be working some of the works that have come up in this thread into Mappings programs over the next few weeks. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andoor@aol.com Subject: Festival of Solitude Date: 16 Apr 2001 11:12:37 EDT There's a pretty amazing sounding concert series taking place the next 5 Fridays (starting April 20) at 8pm at Exit Art in Soho, 548 Broadway in NYC. Each evening features five musicians playing a 15 minute solo set. There's a broad mix of styles and genres--including improvisers like Leroy Jenkins, Hamiett Bluiett, Matt Moran, Brad Shepik, Matt Wilson, Ned Rothenberg, Jane Ira Bloom, Drew Gress, Brandon Ross, along with world music people (Balkan, African, Indian, Japanese) and classical. The complete schedule is at www.fileunder.org. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 Date: 16 Apr 2001 08:27:24 -0700 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:14:48 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > > Daniel Lentz: Apologetica Can you comment on that one? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: More strings Date: 16 Apr 2001 11:35:19 EDT Diedre Murray - Fred Hopkins, "Firestorm." Fantastic cello-bass duo on Victo. The Murray-Hopkins quartet recording, "Stringology" (Black Saint) also kills. The Satako Fuji - Mark Feldman release due out later this year ought to be a great addition to the avant piano - violin repertoire. David np: Dave Burrell, "Jelly Roll Joys" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Royko Subject: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 09:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Drove up (from Chicago) Saturday to hear Masada (quartet) in Minneapolis. Big crowd in a large hall, terrific performance. What surprised my very much was the length of the show. Including encores, they were on stage for a total of maybe an hour and 15 minutes, give or take 5 minutes. I was shocked to hear Zorn introduce the band and wave goodnight after only slightly more than an hour. When they came back, Zorn said, chuckling, "Second set." I actually thought maybe that's what it would be, but after the two encores, they were done. Of course, quality takes precedence over quantity, and in that regard, I'd find it impossible to complain, but being the sole act on the program, I expected and wanted more, considering how rare the opportunities are to hear this group, or Zorn in any context (at least in the Midwest.) Anybody tape this? And as long as I'm on that topic, anybody tape the Grant Park Masada set from the Chicago Jazz Festival in September of 1999? And finally, has anyone heard anything more about the end of the Masada quartet, and when/where the last performance might be? Dave Royko ===== Dave Royko's Self-Promotion Department: My book, "Voices of Children of Divorce," is in paperback at Amazon.com (and elsewhere): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312254695 Fun Department: Interested in trading live jazz or bluegrass-related CD-Rs? Click here: http://www.geocities.com/davidroyko/mypage.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 17:06:25 >Sm 4&3 are the best ones. IMHO you'd better avoid later guitar-base soft >machine - 'softs' sucks seriously. Everybody seems to like different stuff...My faves are Vol.1 and especially Vol. 2, which you can get together on the same disc. More in the vein of quirky psychadelic-prog-pop than the fusion-ish stuff on Vol. 3. Shorter songs, arranged into suites (I guess one for each side of the LP). It reminds me of the Mothers of Invention somewhat (especially all those 7/8 and 7/16 rhythms) but with a very different "attitude," generally. Not so sarcastic. Great fuzz bass sound, too... >Steve Smith >ssmith36@sprynet.com >NP - The Melvins, "Colossus of Destiny," 'Colossus of Destiny' (Ipecac) >(which I'm increasingly inclined to rename 'Melvins Machine Music'... no >drums until 48 minutes into the piece, for instance...) Do you like this? They are getting to be like Zorn, with new albums and reissues coming out what seems like every month. Can't keep up with them. The Crybaby, with all those collaborations, was entertaining but hit and miss, the Bootlicker was good, just different and quieter. Then I guess they just reissued Gluey Porch Treatments on Ipecac, which is classic, but why not get that on the CD w/ Ozma (if you can find it?) I love those two-fers being cheap as I am. WY (still wishing they would do a "Leng T'ch'e" remake w/ the Melvins + Zorn + Eye...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 19:13:41 +0200 William York wrote: > > > WY (still wishing they would do a "Leng T'ch'e" remake w/ the Melvins + Zorn > + Eye...) Now that sounds like an EXCELLENT idea! patRice np: s.f.a. nr: Ray Bradbury, The Illustrated Man - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Re: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 17:28:31 >(still wishing they would do a "Leng T'ch'e" remake w/ the Melvins + >Zorn >+ Eye...) > >Now that sounds like an EXCELLENT idea! > >patRice Actually, even better would be if that Fantomas/Melvins big band (whose new year's eve show was good, but not great in my opinion) would get together w/ Zorn + Eye. That would be Dale from the Melvins and Dave Lombardo on drums; Kevin from the Melvins and Trevor Dunn on bass; Patton and Eye on vocals; King Buzzo and that fourth Melvins member on guitar; and Zorn on sax. It makes perfect sense! We should petition Tzadik and Ipecac, I tell you... WY Listening to: Shockabilly, Heaven (possibly also a part of that mythical box set I was asking about last week?) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: zorndiscs in mexico Date: 16 Apr 2001 13:58:27 EDT hi gang just got back from mexico sojourn was wearin g MMW tshirt; the saleskid in Tower smiled and said they're great, no? and i said i prefer noiser stuff. immediately, he said, like zorn! we laughed and he said yes. the bootleg discs scene has grown and is cheaper, now about $2USD per disc and has more than just the doors and ccr;i saw boots of henry cow! in tower, which had tons of prog-rock (mex city is the prggie capital of the world, i think)only has two zorns, both elektras, german imports. usually they have a buncha tzadiks. not this time. welcome home. steve koenig n.p.: bunbury: mexican ep (spanish group with mex-only ep in new disc) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: RE: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 13:06:51 -0500 David, I, too, was shocked by how short the performance in Minneapolis was. Zorn doesn't visit our friendly confines very often, and, although the music was great, I wasn't sure if he might have not quite indentified with the crowd too much. I know that, personally, playing in the Twin Cities for the past 10 years, even large crowds can suck the energy right out of you. A concert hall filled with passive-agressive Scandinavians might have had something to do with it, although they were most receptive. I've always had to go to Madison or Chicago (Park West) to see Zorn's projects, but have been lucky enough to open for Ribot and some others in Minneapolis. But as often as the Knitting Factory gents make out here, you'd think they'd play up the fact that it's indeed a treat to see them....and TREAT US. Most midwesterners, however, are just not as "avant" savvy as folks on both coasts who can walk out their door and see the great improv every night if they want to. I sense that Zorn recognizes that fact and it is also the reason he will not pander to the illiterates. Most of the people at the show were newcomers, and it's easy to have a little disregard/contempt for your audience when you've had this long extensive career and your audience has heard one Masada tune at a Jewish friend's house last week. On the other hand, I saw Diz in '82 in Cedar Rapids IA, and he played over 3 hours (w/no breaks) to a enthusiastic mostly-Caucasian audience, so you never can tell....Zorn could have had a cold for all we know. On many other notes: Dave, the trumpet dude, blew me away more than anyone has in a long time. J "GET ME OUT OF THIS NORDIC HELL" Mote >===== Original Message From David Royko ===== >Drove up (from Chicago) Saturday to hear Masada >(quartet) in Minneapolis. Big crowd in a large hall, >terrific performance. What surprised my very much was >the length of the show. Including encores, they were >on stage for a total of maybe an hour and 15 minutes, >give or take 5 minutes. I was shocked to hear Zorn >introduce the band and wave goodnight after only >slightly more than an hour. When they came back, Zorn >said, chuckling, "Second set." I actually thought >maybe that's what it would be, but after the two >encores, they were done. Of course, quality takes >precedence over quantity, and in that regard, I'd find >it impossible to complain, but being the sole act on >the program, I expected and wanted more, considering >how rare the opportunities are to hear this group, or >Zorn in any context (at least in the Midwest.) > >Anybody tape this? And as long as I'm on that topic, >anybody tape the Grant Park Masada set from the >Chicago Jazz Festival in September of 1999? > >And finally, has anyone heard anything more about the >end of the Masada quartet, and when/where the last >performance might be? > >Dave Royko > > >===== >Dave Royko's Self-Promotion Department: >My book, "Voices of Children of Divorce," >is in paperback at Amazon.com (and elsewhere): >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312254695 >Fun Department: Interested in trading live jazz >or bluegrass-related CD-Rs? Click here: http://www.geocities.com/davidroyko/mypage.html > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 14:16:29 EDT --part1_b4.1438176c.280c90fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does he ever come to the Southeast? Atlanta, maybe? New Orleans? Anywhere near me (AL)? Jan --part1_b4.1438176c.280c90fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Does he ever come to the Southeast? Atlanta, maybe? New Orleans? Anywhere
near me (AL)?
Jan --part1_b4.1438176c.280c90fd_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 14:26:04 -0400 > Does he ever come to the Southeast? Atlanta, maybe? New Orleans? Masada has played Atlanta at least once, Zorn in other combos a couple of times I think. He was also at the Incus Week in Chattanooga a few years back (along w/F. Frith, Oxley, Shaking Ray Levis). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 14:49:10 -0400 I dont' know enough of the Melvins work to NOT like the new album - I have heard very little other material by which to judge it. It's not what I expected, true, and from what I can gather, it's not even a "proper" Melvins performance per se. It's credited to Buzz, Dale, "Korny Ass Joker" and Adam Jones, recorded live in Cupertino on December 13, 1998. Seems like a one-off or a side project to me, given the little that I know of the band. Am I mistaken? And given that it's one long track of rumbling noise, feedback and porn samples, I think it's gonna be one of those "only once in a while" listens, like 'Leng T'che,' actually. The only other Melvins disc I've got is 'The Maggot.' I'm curious to know more, but since there was already a Melvins survey on the Zornlist within the last coupla years, I figured I'd go dig through the archives at some point. But hey, if anyone wants to send me recommendations through private mail instead of clogging up the list, feel free. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William York >NP - The Melvins, "Colossus of Destiny," 'Colossus of Destiny' (Ipecac) >(which I'm increasingly inclined to rename 'Melvins Machine Music'... no >drums until 48 minutes into the piece, for instance...) Do you like this? They are getting to be like Zorn, with new albums and reissues coming out what seems like every month. Can't keep up with them. The Crybaby, with all those collaborations, was entertaining but hit and miss, the Bootlicker was good, just different and quieter. Then I guess they just reissued Gluey Porch Treatments on Ipecac, which is classic, but why not get that on the CD w/ Ozma (if you can find it?) I love those two-fers being cheap as I am. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: good news/bad news/melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 15:06:46 EDT good news: Matador Records Re-issued the Soft Boys record "Underwater Moonlight." bad news: I suddenly became childishly enraged when i saw a picture of Britney Spears wearing a shirt that said "I love punk" on it. I wonder if that's healthy... melvins: i noticed in the Leng Tch'e liner notes (a long time ago actually, i am just now getting around to mentioning it though) that Zorn thanks the melvins. i saw them a while ago, and a lot of stuff they played was like Leng Tch'e. Are their records like this too? i would be interested in hearing them in any case. what is a good place to start? ben o. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 19:12:19 >I dont' know enough of the Melvins work to NOT like the new album - I >have >heard very little other material by which to judge it. It's not >what I >expected, true, and from what I can gather, it's not even >a "proper" >Melvins performance per se. It's credited to Buzz, >Dale, "Korny Ass >Joker" and Adam Jones, recorded live in Cupertino on >December 13, 1998. >Seems like a one-off or a side project to me, given >the little that I know >of the band. >Am I mistaken? No, you're right. Here is what their web site says: "The live CD "COLLOSUS OF DESTINY" should be coming out soon on IPECAC. It's a live set we did a year or two ago that was recorded straight to DAT. It was me, Dale Buzz and Adam Jones from TOOL. It should be out mid-April on IPECAC. The music is "out in the tall weeds" as we like to say—that is, a tad abstract—live and vicious and then resolving into a light and fluffy version of Eye Flys. We were opening for ourselves, and played a loud, loud attack style music. The audience had their fingers in their ears, and couldn't leave because that wasn't allowed by the club. It went on for an hour and then evolved into our "normal " set. It was quite lovely. The promoter asked us not to do that set again, even though we sold the place out 2 nights in a row. We don't play there anymore thanks to their misplaced artistic guidance." >I'm curious to know more, but since there was already a Melvins >survey on the Zornlist within the last coupla years, I figured I'd go >dig >through the archives at some point. But hey, if anyone wants to >send me >recommendations through private mail instead of clogging up the >list, feel >free. At the risk of getting on people's nerves (hopefully this won't), I would say the Ozma/Gluey Porch Treatments CD is my favorite, but is not the most accessible. Slow, thudding, ugly, etc. Bullhead is also in this vein but has longer songs including the great "Zodiac." Houdini has some great stuff, plus a little screwing around sort of stuff near the end. But you can find it cheap used since it was on a major label. I haven't heard the Maggot yet actually but from what I understand it was a "return to form" toward the old, heavier style, not like the stuff on their later major label albums. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: good news/bad news/melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 15:37:34 -0400 >Britney Spears wearing a shirt that said "I love punk" on it. >I wonder if that's healthy... Depends on whether it was a way-too-tight shirt or not. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 15:50:43 -0400 So "Korny Ass Joker" = Kevin, huh? I'd wondered if it was someone else, like maybe Patton. Thanks for the tips. Think I'll download those MP3s from their site as well. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:12 PM No, you're right. Here is what their web site says: "The live CD "COLLOSUS OF DESTINY" should be coming out soon on IPECAC. It's a live set we did a year or two ago that was recorded straight to DAT. It was me, Dale Buzz and Adam Jones from TOOL. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moudry Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 15:06:29 -0500 At 14:16 16-04-01 -0400, Jan wrote: >Does he ever come to the Southeast? Atlanta, maybe? New Orleans? Anywhere >near me (AL)? >Jan Jan, The following are two/three events in the Birmingham/Atlanta area for the next few weeks: Euphonic Productions & WREK present Evan Parker - tenor & soprano saxophones 8:30pm, Saturday, April 21st $10 at the door First Existentialist Congregation 470 Candler Park Drive, NE 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com Evan Parker solo Pilgrim Congregational 1024 Center Street Birmingham AL Sunday, 22 April @ 8:00 PM Creative Music Association presents Peter Brotzmann - reeds Hamid Drake - percussion 8pm, Friday, April 27th $10 at the door First Congregational Church 105 Courtland Avenue 404-659-6255 or cmai2@hotmail.com See you there (either/both)? Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 14:11:39 -0600 (MDT) David, where was the show in Minneapolis? thanks, matt Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Royko Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 16 Apr 2001 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) --- Matt Plummer wrote: > David, > where was the show in Minneapolis? Ted Mann Auditorium, on the UofM campus. 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: h e a t h e r Subject: Re: good news/bad news/melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 16:46:15 -0700 you know what, there are women on this list. perhaps blatantly offensive comments about teenage girls, regardless of their pop icon status, would better be suited for off list commentary. h On 4/16/01 12:37 PM, "wlt4@mindspring.com" wrote: >> Britney Spears wearing a shirt that said "I love punk" on it. >> I wonder if that's healthy... > > Depends on whether it was a way-too-tight shirt or not. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig S Nixon Subject: Re: Avant Strings, etc Date: 16 Apr 2001 20:57:09 -0400 Ken Waxman spake of Herb Levy's avant string recs... >>Can't begin to parallel Herb's encyclopedic string recs... Me neither, but I'll throw a few more into the hat that weren't mentioned yet (I think).. Carlos Zingaro's "Solo", on the ADDA imprint of in situ records. Absolutely amazing solo set, beuatifully captured in a large, empty hall. The availability of ADDA imprint discs is questionable, however. Bassist Leon Francioli's "Acoustic Ladyland", on a French label the name of which I forget and can't access the disc now.... Harpist Elizabeth Panzer's fine solo recording on the O.O. Discs label., which covers several other composers in addition to some original works. Also, Panzer's more improvisational trio Talking Harp, with Bruce Gremo on wood flutes and Ed Ware on drums.... Craig Nixon Revolution In Sound ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: good news/bad news/melvins Date: 17 Apr 2001 11:16:06 +1000 > you know what, there are women on this list. perhaps blatantly offensive > comments about teenage girls, regardless of their pop icon status, would > better be suited for off list commentary. how about humour? are we allowed to have humour? please? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 18:31:29 -0700 At 2:49 PM 4/16/01, Steve Smith wrote: >I dont' know enough of the Melvins work to NOT like the new album - I have >heard very little other material by which to judge it. It's not what I >expected, true, and from what I can gather, it's not even a "proper" Melvins >performance per se. It's credited to Buzz, Dale, "Korny Ass Joker" and Adam >Jones, recorded live in Cupertino on December 13, 1998. Seems like a >one-off or a side project to me, given the little that I know of the band. >Am I mistaken? > >And given that it's one long track of rumbling noise, feedback and porn >samples, I think it's gonna be one of those "only once in a while" listens, >like 'Leng T'che,' actually. The only other Melvins disc I've got is 'The >Maggot.' I'm curious to know more, but since there was already a Melvins >survey on the Zornlist within the last coupla years, I figured I'd go dig >through the archives at some point. But hey, if anyone wants to send me >recommendations through private mail instead of clogging up the list, feel >free. > The Melvins are one of my favorite bands, but I feel much the same about "Colossus of Destiny" (great title, though). I have yet to hear a Melvins disc that lives up to their live shows. When not actively pissing off their audience, they're one of the consistantly heaviest live bands ever. And they tend to be pretty entertaining when they are actively pissing off their audience. I've never left one of their shows unhappy. I think they tend to use things like the stuff on Colossus, the extended feedback and gong solos, etc, as a test: if you make it through that, they'll give you the rock. That said, I do like just about every Melvins disc I own. I even like their major label stuff, just as heavy as the earlier stuff, but better recorded. "Honky" has a great summation of their major label experience. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 21:35:45 -0400 > The Melvins are one of my favorite bands, but I feel much the same about > "Colossus of Destiny" (great title, though). I have yet to hear a Melvins > disc that lives up to their live shows. When not actively pissing off their > audience, they're one of the consistantly heaviest live bands ever. And > they tend to be pretty entertaining when they are actively pissing off > their audience. The first (and only) time I saw them, the first words Buzz said were "We're gonna give you a headache." I was in 7th or 8th grade at the time and I fucking ate it up. It was actually at Lollapalooza, where I also saw The Ramones. Nirav, -- AIM: Icefactory37 OnNow- Town and Country- s/t "Undocumented recollections are rarely disappointing." -Derek Bailey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: More strings Date: 16 Apr 2001 22:00:36 EDT > The Satako Fuji - Mark Feldman release due out later this year ought to be a > great addition to the avant piano - violin repertoire. Funny - mere hours after I wrote this, Bruce at DMG tells me that it's just been released in Japan, will be here (New York) soon. David PS. One of the tracks on the Arvo Part / Tabula Rasa disk mentioned earlier is "Fratres," performed by the 12 Cellists of the Berlin Philharmonic. I just want to add that their recording of Beatles songs (Cello Submarine) is really not to be missed. np: Sleater-Kinney, "i wanna be your joey ramone" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Soft Machine/Melvins Date: 16 Apr 2001 20:01:21 -0700 >> The Melvins are one of my favorite bands, but I feel much the same about >> "Colossus of Destiny" (great title, though). I have yet to hear a Melvins >> disc that lives up to their live shows. When not actively pissing off >their >> audience, they're one of the consistantly heaviest live bands ever. And >> they tend to be pretty entertaining when they are actively pissing off >> their audience. > >The first (and only) time I saw them, the first words Buzz said were "We're >gonna give you a headache." I was in 7th or 8th grade at the time and I >fucking ate it up. It was actually at Lollapalooza, where I also saw The >Ramones. > First time I saw them, years ago, they were opening for some doctrinaire punk rock band, I don't remember whom, I left after the Melvins. They came onstage, and with 30 minutes of feedback at extreme volume, emptied the room. I was one of about 5-6 left. Then they played about 15 minutes of totally crushing rock. I was hooked for life.... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ripleyjames@home.com Subject: Re: More strings Date: 16 Apr 2001 22:08:42 -0500 Yep, the CD is called April Shower. It was released a few weeks ago by ewe records in Japan and I've heard that Buzz records is very interested in releasing it for US and European audiences in the near future. Half of the CD is devoted to Satoko Fujii's solo and dubbed piano duets with herself and the rest to her duets with Mark Feldman. A profoundly deep listening experience for me. It's nice to hear Fujii and Feldman intertwine so perfectly on these wonderful songs! Should be available from Cadence soon, if not already. James At 10:00 PM 4/16/01 -0400, you wrote: > > The Satako Fuji - Mark Feldman release due out later this year ought > to be >a > > great addition to the avant piano - violin repertoire. > >Funny - mere hours after I wrote this, Bruce at DMG tells me that it's just >been released in Japan, will be here (New York) soon. > >David > >PS. One of the tracks on the Arvo Part / Tabula Rasa disk mentioned earlier >is "Fratres," performed by the 12 Cellists of the Berlin Philharmonic. I >just want to add that their recording of Beatles songs (Cello Submarine) is >really not to be missed. > >np: Sleater-Kinney, "i wanna be your joey ramone" > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Non-JZ FS: Blind Idiot God, Toop/Eastley, Ensemble Sondarc ... Date: 17 Apr 2001 03:13:44 +0100 I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. $25 -- Blind Idiot God - "Undertow" JAP CD (Tokuma) 1990 [Japanese pressing of the Laswell produced Enemy CD from 1988. Hawkins, Katz & Epstein w/ a George Clinton cover, and the track, "Purged Specimen", featuring Zorn on sax.] OFFERS -- David Toop & Max Eastley - "Buried Dreams" UK CD (Beyond: rbadcd6) 1994 [An environmental ambient masterpiece of digitally manipulated field recordings, found sounds and traditional acoustic instruments. Long out of print.] $16 -- Ensemble Sondarc - "For Four Rooms" SWI CD (For 4 Ears) 1997 [66 min. of ensemble-improv from 6 (yes, six) doublebassists.] OFFERS -- 23 Skidoo - "The Culling Is Coming" AUS CD (L.A.Y.L.A.H. Antirecords: lay23cd) 1989 [CD of Skidoo's most unorthodox LP from 1983. Pt. 1 - improvised live w/ scrap metal perc., gas pipes/cylinders, tape loops & Tibetan thighbone trumpet by D. Tibet (7/82, WOMAD). Pt. 2 - trad. gamelan (10/82, Dartington College). Brilliant, and currently deleted.] Thanks for looking. -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam Taylor Tierney Subject: Peter Brotzmann Date: 17 Apr 2001 02:41:55 -0500 (EST) This is very last-minute, but for those of you (if any) who live in the Midwest: Peter Brotzmann's Die Like a Dog Trio is playing at the Waldron Arts Center in Bloomington for free tomorrow (Tuesday) at 8:00 PM. Promises to be a good time. --Adam Tierney - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) Date: 17 Apr 2001 10:11:45 +0200 Thanks to everyone who shared their comments/thoughts on the Toop books with me. Very much appreciated. I'll order one of them pretty soon, I think... Yours, patRice np: Art Pepper & Eleven, Modern Jazz Classics nr: Juzo Suzuki, Utagawa Kuniyoshi - 250 Years - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: New Music in RealAudio Date: 17 Apr 2001 06:41:42 -0500 This week's Mappings features duets by John Cage, Elliott Carter; John Corbett, Fred Lonberg-Holm, & Torsten Mueller; Morton Feldman, Jin Hi Kim; Guy Klucevsek, Steve Nelson-Raney & Jon Mueller; Reza Vali; and Veryan Weston & Caroline Kraabel. Available online for a week: http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/. Hope to see y'all there. 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 10:14:37 -0400 At 5:54 AM -0700 4/17/01, HirakeMike wrote: >would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they >normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty >choice? Steely Dan. Pretty much all of it, including the new one, except most of _Gaucho_, which just doesn't do it for me. You may fire when ready. More defensible, perhaps, are my easy listening/exotica LPs--Martin Denny, Enoch Light (_I Want to be Happy Cha-Chas_ is great party music), that kind of thing. -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:16:29 +0200 HirakeMike wrote: > So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred times, > would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they > normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty > choice? Something in the norm, not even closely > related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed. I wouldn't feel guilty about them - but here are some bands/artists that maybe aren't too zorn related... The Cure Marc Almond Depeche Mode Madonna Joy Division Fields Of The Nephilim Indochine Iron Maiden Eminem Dream Theater There are probably lots more... But my memory... ;-) patRice np: John Zorn, Trembling before G*D nr: Timothy Clark, Ukiyo-e Paintings in the British Museum - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Harrison" Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 01:37:53 +1000 HirakeMike wrote: > > So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred times, > would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they > normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty > choice? Something in the norm, not even closely > related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - I have to confess that I love Slayer, Metallica and Kreator. This is probably no big surprise to Zorn fans, given the Lombardo connection. And Abba are so cool - I just love Mama Mia! ANDREW -- _______________________________________________________________ Andrew Harrison Phantom Dog Music A.B.N. 89 306 085 735 P.O. Box 663 Moonee Ponds, VIC. Australia 3039 ph/fax (03) 9387 1341 email: andrew_harrison@metrocs.com.au http://www.amcoz.com.au/comp/h/aharris.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: RE: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 09:37:16 -0500 Since I was a little late chiming in on the Top 10 thread, I'll mention now I have a page dedicated to some of the Top live shows I've seen over the past 20 years (and some of the crappier shows, as well). See: http://www.hotheadfiasco.com/hhphotos/Jay%20Mote/jay_shows.htm Guilty Pleasures: Missing Persons, Sparks, Elton John Jay Mote >===== Original Message From HirakeMike ===== >So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred times, >would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they >normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty >choice? Something in the norm, not even closely >related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:43:21 +0200 Jay Mote wrote: > > Guilty Pleasures: Missing Persons, Ouch - yeah, completely forgot about them in my last mail! Also ADORE them! :-) patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:59:01 +0200 (CEST) --- HirakeMike escribió: > Fecha: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) > De: HirakeMike > Asunto: Guilty Choices > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred > times, > would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that > they > normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty > choice? Something in the norm, not even closely > related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed. > I confess I've got the full The Cure discography, which is such a guilt!! I should add some The Smiths which I even got to like several years ago!. after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was so cool... Greetings, efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:59:01 +0200 (CEST) --- HirakeMike escribi=C3=B3: > Fecha: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) > De: HirakeMike > Asunto: Guilty Choices > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >=20 > So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred > times, > would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that > they > normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty > choice? Something in the norm, not even closely > related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed. >=20 I confess I've got the full The Cure discography, which is such a guilt!! I should add some The Smiths which I even got to like several years ago!. after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was so cool... Greetings, efr=C3=A9n _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Env=C3=ADa mensajes instant=C3=A1neos y recibe alertas de correo con=20 Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 11:08:27 EDT Disclaimer: I NEVER listen to the bands or albums or songs listed below. I no longer own the albums/tapes. But if by chance I happen to stumble across a song while flipping the dial I crank it and soak myself in a nostalgic wave of sound. So... Metallica's first three albums Motorhead up to Another Perfect Day The Eagles' "I Can't Tell You Why" (which is the lowest of the low, I know, but it reminds me of my first girlfriend) Van Halen 1 Southern rock (Skynyrd, Allmans, Outlaws, Blackfoot) Queen (up to about "The Game") Uli Jon Roth era Scorpions early 80s power/death/speed metal in general When I was eleven I owned a Journey album and I still remember all of Neil Schon's guitar solos. Raised on radio, Tom NP: Kronos Quartet -- Morton Feldman's Piano and String Quartet ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Fwd: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:10:30 +0200 Don't despair, Efr=E9n! I have all the The Cure albums - plus 12" maxis, some stuff on vinyl, 3" single-cds, live bootlegs... etc. etc. So I'm herewith claiming the "uncoolest person on this list" tag... ;-) patRice efr=E9n del valle wrote: > I confess I've got the full The Cure discography, > which is such a guilt!! > > I should add some The Smiths which I even got to like > several years ago!. > > after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was > so cool... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 10:37:46 -0500 On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:54:19AM -0700, HirakeMike wrote: > So since we've gone over top tens a few hundred times, > would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they > normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty > choice? Something in the norm, not even closely > related to zorn or musicians as widely discussed. Hoo boy, lemme see... faves that would be out of the norm here... Sean Cassidy: Wasp October Project: October Project almost any recording of Jesus Christ Superstar Happy Rhodes: Warpaint Simon and Garfunkel: Parsley Sage Rosemary & Time Ricky Martin: (video collection) Dio: Holy Diver Yes: Tales of Topographic Oceans Tina Turner: Private Dancer Jane Siberry: Bound by the Beauty Queen: A Night at the Opera Prince: 0+)-> Meatloaf: Bat Out of Hell Michael Jackson: Bad Dean Friedman: Well, Well, said the Rocking Chair Argument Clinic: Argument Clinic That's just off the top of my head, not looking at my collection. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 11:54:28 -0400 Ok, I have all of MORRISSEY and SMITHS CDs. SUEDE, PLACEBO, DEPECHE MODE, CHRIS ISAAK!!!! Let's see, what else?.....PRODIGY, CHEMICAL BROTHERS, COCTEAU TWINS and a lot of the 4AD groups. Guess that's it ... I must confess ... I'm a bigger Morrissey fan than a Zorn one (OK, now I'm really out of the list :-) Neil H. Enet ------------ NP. PUNGENT STENCH Praise the names of the musical assassins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wolfgang Armbruster Subject: re- barre phillips Date: 17 Apr 2001 18:11:20 +0200 Guten Tag - Hi list, I do have a few Barre Phillips records in my collection. The only _real_ bass solo album is "Call Me When You Get There" ECM1257 recorded in 1983 very recommended! Another favourite is "Three Day Moon" ECM1123 recorded in 1978 with Rypdal, Feichtner and Gurtu Another two are bass and electronics: "Aquarian Rain" ECM1451 recorded in 1991 "Camouflage" Victo cd08 recorded in 1989 --- Best, Wolfgang Armbruster mailto:wolffsed@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 09:26:55 -0700 What I am hearing on this list is not 'guilty choices' but really 'good taste choices! Morrissey/Smiths, Sparks, ABBA, etc. are truly great! In fact in my dreams I am waiting for a Zorn produced tribute album to Sparks. One artist that hasn't come up on the Zorn list 'so-called guilty pleasure' is Billy Mackenzie/Associates. Like Sparks they are part of the culture, but when the photos develop their images disappear, unlike Cure, etc. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: sideshow Date: 17 Apr 2001 09:27:11 -0700 On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:06:16 -0400 "Steve Smith" wrote: > > not so far from a good ECM recording. Of course, I've got a certain bias > that prevents total objectivity, as I helped to convince CRI/Blueshift to > release the disc after I'd had a demo for over a year, and I wrote the > little liner essay. But there it is. Is this the first CD from the new CRI/Blueshift label, or are there already other ones out? Any idea about the upcoming ones also? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: sideshow Date: 17 Apr 2001 12:40:05 -0400 Yes, Sideshow is the first release from Blueshift. The next one, a 3 CD set by Scott Fields, is due out fairly soon. Beyond that, there's nothing etched in stone. A few projects have been lingering for years (in particular a Gerry Hemingway project, and ideas or proposals for projects from Mark Helias, Tim Berne and Bill Roper, among others). And the John Hollenbeck disc that was to have inaugurated the series was derailed at least temporarily for legal issues, the clearance of speech samples. It may be in the process of being replaced by another Hollenbeck project. More when I hear about it. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 12:27 PM Cc: 'Hywel Davies'; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com; proussel@ichips.intel.com Is this the first CD from the new CRI/Blueshift label, or are there already other ones out? Any idea about the upcoming ones also? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: ordinary fanfares #4 Date: 17 Apr 2001 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) tonight (tuesday april 17 2001) from midnight to 2am EST ordinary fanfares #4 wmfo 91.5fm medford MA / www.wmfo.org (webcast) including music by bethlehem, yoshimitsu ichiraku, sandro gorli, clark-hutchinson, and much, much more. this will be the final installment of ordinary fanfares. thanks for listening! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:59:26 -0700 > At 5:54 AM -0700 4/17/01, HirakeMike wrote: >> would anyone care to name bands/albums/cd's that they >> normally wouldnt mention and be considered a guilty >> choice? > > Steely Dan. Pretty much all of it, including the new one, except > most of _Gaucho_, which just doesn't do it for me. You may fire when > ready. > > More defensible, perhaps, are my easy listening/exotica LPs--Martin > Denny, Enoch Light (_I Want to be Happy Cha-Chas_ is great party > music), that kind of thing. Steely Dan is NOT a guilty pleasure. Michael McDonald-era Doobies, however, is. And I am fessing up to loving "Minute BY MInute" et al. skip h np: beach boys today - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 13:01:00 EDT Well, I don't really feel guilty about owning The Baronics' "Get Bach," but everyone I play their surf instro version of Vivaldi's Four Seasons for thinks I should. Feel guilty, that is. But, hey, I still groove on the first Go-Go's record. And I was, like, already grown up when I first heard it. And the Ronettes. Though I haven't stooped yet to buying a best-of compilation on CD. David np: "Be My Baby" (in my head) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 10:05:34 -0700 >>>np: beach boys today<<< np: Surf's Up - David Thomas And Two Pale Boys - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: satoko/tatsuya Date: 17 Apr 2001 13:34:31 -0400 (EDT) who heard about the fuji/yoshida duo? what'd you hear? kurtg FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 14:08:25 EDT --part1_73.ce5f027.280de099_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, you can't go wrong with Metallica... Jan --part1_73.ce5f027.280de099_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, you can't go wrong with Metallica...

Jan --part1_73.ce5f027.280de099_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 14:17:05 EDT --part1_e0.136514ac.280de2a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 9:38:23 AM Central Daylight Time, mote@augsburg.edu writes: > live shows One of the best live shows I ever saw was the The Rolling Stones, in London. Ya'll might kick me off this list, but I reallllly like the Goo Goo Dolls...not so much because of the music, it's more about the kind of people they are. Very cool. Other than that, my tastes pretty much cover any artist who is really talented musically, not your Mtv class....Stevie Ray Vaughan kicked ass on a guitar and was an incredibly soulful player...of course Clapton, etc. I think Dave Matthews is good, and really like to watch him play...he is soulful as well...the last CD I bought was Johnny Cash/Willie Nelson live...and I love the Cowboy Junkies. I'd love to see them live sometime. Although, it's almost impossible for me to even stay on my feet when I hear that music.... ;) Jan --part1_e0.136514ac.280de2a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 9:38:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
mote@augsburg.edu writes:


live shows


One of the best live shows I ever saw was the The Rolling Stones, in London.
Ya'll might kick me off this list, but I reallllly like the Goo Goo
Dolls...not so much because of the music, it's more about the kind of people
they are. Very cool. Other than that, my tastes pretty much cover any artist
who is really talented musically, not your Mtv class....Stevie Ray Vaughan
kicked ass on a guitar and was an incredibly soulful player...of course
Clapton, etc. I think Dave Matthews is good, and really like to watch him
play...he is soulful as well...the last CD I bought was Johnny Cash/Willie
Nelson live...and I love the Cowboy Junkies. I'd love to see them live
sometime. Although, it's almost impossible for me to even stay on my feet
when I hear that music.... ;)
Jan --part1_e0.136514ac.280de2a1_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 14:24:46 EDT --part1_4c.13d2c225.280de46e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: > after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was > so cool... If you must unsub, then so will I....if we aren't allowed here anymore, we'll just start our own list, for the quasi-cool....lol! :) Jan --part1_4c.13d2c225.280de46e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:08:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
efrendv@yahoo.es writes:


after this, I'll probably unsubscribe... thought I was
so cool...
If you must unsub, then so will I....if we aren't allowed here anymore, we'll
just start our own list, for the quasi-cool....lol! :)
Jan --part1_4c.13d2c225.280de46e_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 11:32:56 -0700 I am not ashamed, just slightly embarrassed. I'm a sucker for the Hit Parade, and consequently own all six volumes of the "Now That's What I Call Music!" series. That's not to say I like every song on every disc (my average is appx. 40-60% enjoyment per CD), but it's a great way to get my Timbaland on. Besides, you can get 'em for, usually, $5 a pop on Half.com. Other items that draw grimaces from friends include: Third Eye Blind - s/t Saturday Night Fever soundtrack Blur - Greatest Hits Oasis - What's the Story Morning Glory? Randy Newman Van Morrison Pearl Jam - Vs., Vitalogy Paul Simon - s/t, Graceland Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends, Bridge Over Troubled Water U2 - Achtung Baby Dwight Yoakam - Greatest Hits 80s & 90s I used to get a lot of grief for my love of Bruce Springsteen, but his cachet seems to be on the up these days as my so-called friends jump on the "Nebraska-as-classic-album" bandwagon. Murray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JanZorn@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 14:32:48 EDT --part1_9.1415782f.280de650_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:09:28 AM Central Daylight Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: > Metallica's first three albums > Motorhead up to Another Perfect Day > The Eagles' "I Can't Tell You Why" (which is the lowest of the low, I know, > but it reminds me of my first girlfriend) > Van Halen 1 > Southern rock (Skynyrd, Allmans, Outlaws, Blackfoot) > Queen (up to about "The Game") > Uli Jon Roth era Scorpions > early 80s power/death/speed metal in general > When I was eleven I owned a Journey album and I still remember all of Neil > Schon's guitar solos. > > I think I own most of those you just mentioned. I'm not ashamed, Skynyrd did some good stuff, especially when the piano parts are smokin'....same is true for Allman, screw the lyrics for the most part, if there is a drop of talent in the music that is carrying it, then I can appreciate it. Queen were an incredible group on many levels...they were innovators. Anyone who can pull of a daring, original mix of music deserves respect. Metallica....they are just great because they've stayed true to themselves and proven to be leaders instead of followers in the genre. And the Eagles....except for some of the most recent stuff, and the solo stints, they are cool as well. I saw them live at a small venue in Tupelo, MS a few years ago. Great show. These days, any show that doesn't involve a bunch of screaming teenagers, I can't deal with. I'm getting old, but what the hell, I've always been an old soul I guess. Jan --part1_9.1415782f.280de650_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/17/01 10:09:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
Samerivertwice@aol.com writes:


Metallica's first three albums
Motorhead up to Another Perfect Day
The Eagles' "I Can't Tell You Why" (which is the lowest of the low, I know,
but it reminds me of my first girlfriend)
Van Halen 1
Southern rock (Skynyrd, Allmans, Outlaws, Blackfoot)
Queen (up to about "The Game")
Uli Jon Roth era Scorpions
early 80s power/death/speed metal in general
When I was eleven I owned a Journey album and I still remember all of Neil
Schon's guitar solos.



I think I own most of those you just mentioned. I'm not ashamed, Skynyrd did
some good stuff, especially when the piano parts are smokin'....same is true
for Allman, screw the lyrics for the most part, if there is a drop of talent
in the music that is carrying it, then I can appreciate it. Queen were an
incredible group on many levels...they were innovators. Anyone who can pull
of a daring, original mix of music deserves respect. Metallica....they are
just great because they've stayed true to themselves and proven to be leaders
instead of followers in the genre. And the Eagles....except for some of the
most recent stuff, and the solo stints, they are cool as well. I saw them
live at a small venue in Tupelo, MS a few years ago. Great show. These days,
any show that doesn't involve a bunch of screaming teenagers, I can't deal
with. I'm getting old, but what the hell, I've always been an old soul I
guess.
Jan --part1_9.1415782f.280de650_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: satoko/tatsuya Date: 17 Apr 2001 18:38:01 -0000 >who heard about the fuji/yoshida duo? what'd you hear? not much, but at least it's not a duo, it's a quartet. Yoshidas concert list has mentioned several performances, also they are playing in europe pretty soon. Still puzzled, and hoping somebody has actually heard this group and could comment further. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 15:02:06 EDT OK, here goes... BILLY JOEL I also like early Elton John. I love Jeff Buckley, which doesn't really count as a guilty pleasure as far as I'm concerned, but would probably count as such to some people here. I totally also dig Michael McDonald-era Doobie Brothers, as Skip mentioned. Thats all I can think of at the moment. -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Guilty Date: 17 Apr 2001 12:06:11 -0700 >>>Other items that draw grimaces from friends include: Saturday Night Fever soundtrack Murray<<< - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Feldman Date: 17 Apr 2001 15:30:26 EDT Anyone know where I might find a healthy selection of Feldman's available (and out of print) discs? Furthermore, can anyone recommend his best recordings? So far I have the Kronos Quartet's "Piano and String Quartets" recording, the complete Philip Guston, and Samuel Beckett. Is "The Ecstacy of the Moment" worth buying? Thanks, Tom P.S. Another guilty pleasure: Will Smith's "Wild Wild West" Oh God. I can't believe I admitted that. ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: MELVINS, EARTH Date: 17 Apr 2001 20:36:15 +0100 (BST) Apparently, in an interview, JZ said that 'Leng T'che' was partly inspired by MELVINS' 'Lysol' LP. For me, it is one of their best, but I recommend most, if not all MELVINS. I certainly recommend the above anyway. It is not easy to recommend specific MELVINS titles! I also recommend EARTH 'Extra-Capsular Extraction' and 'Earth 2'. You'll see why... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: MELVINS Date: 17 Apr 2001 20:39:30 -0000 >Apparently, in an interview, JZ said that 'Leng T'che' >was partly inspired by MELVINS' 'Lysol' LP. I love "Leng Tch'e" but have found the Melvins stuff I have heard to be quite bad and rather unlike "Leng Th'e", but I have only heard their recent Ipecac releases. So........................ how similar is "Lysol" and "Leng Tch'e"????? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher eaton Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #386 Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:40:44 -0400 hmmm . . . some guilty choices: -i'll have to second the beach boys note -paul simon -the violent femmes (mmm . . . male teen angst) -ween (a little too silly for many zornsters?) -i confess to some of stevie wonder's ballads (NOT the later ones) (i don't feel guilty about the shake-yer-booty funk grooves though) ~christopher - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:17:04 -0500 (CDT) Toto!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Reissue? (no Zorn content) Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:29:08 EDT So Herbie Nichol's splendiferous Bethlehem album, "Love, Gloom, Cash, Love" has just been reissued (again). Sticker on the front says "digitally remastered from original master tapes." But is it actually materially different (and better) than the last CD release back in '94? How does one find out these things? I don't even know who to ask. Source of frequent frustration... David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:49:12 +0000 on 01.04.17 9:17 PM, A at Enfermo@rocketmail.com wrote: > Toto!!! And toto too!?!? I'm never speaking to any of you people again... Going to go mope and listen to Andy Williams do Moon River over and over again. RL -- ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 18:03:45 -0400 "Guilty pleasures" would seem to imply that there is indeed guilt involved. In my case, I'm certainly not copping to much. Nor do I think we need to, given that we are here on a list dedicated to an artist whose catholic taste and willful perversity are legendary. Certainly I can't see any reason for embarassment over the likes of Michael Jackson (though I prefer Janet), the Cure, the Smiths, or any death metal whatsoever. (Though really, Joseph, if you weren't a singer, I don't know if I could let you get away with 'Bat Out of Hell.') Nevertheless, for your amusement and edification, my more... erm... unusual affections: The Bangles - forget "Eternal Flame," think of those gorgeous three and four part harmonies and retro guitar riffs. Think of "Different Light" and "Hero Takes a Fall" and the cover of "Hazy Shade of Winter." Think of the tender version of "If She Knew What She Wants." (Hell, don't forget "Eternal Flame.") Mandy Barnett - torch song redux, a la Patsy Cline. Qualifies perhaps as "guilty" even though Patsy doesn't (since Patsy's deceased and the original). k.d. lang's 'Shadowland' would also qualify, if I hadn't purged it years ago. Imani Coppola - ditzy little multi-culti trip-hop rapper/singer and violin scraper, not afraid to talk about wanting to be a cowgirl or a tree or picking a big ol' booger. E/The Eels - perfectly crafted gems of pure pop - the music would make Brian Wilson proud; the lyrics would send him spiralling back to Dr. Landy. (Gee, that's insensitive of me.) Electric Light Orchestra - the tasteless man's Beatles. I like their own version of "Xanadu" better than the one they did with Olivia Newton-John. Fairground Attraction/Eddi Reader - anyone who's paid any attention to my NPs and desert island lists already knows of my abiding passion for this Scottish thrush and her defunct early acoustic swing combo. Garbage - power pop as finely tuned as an Indie 500 race car, and just as sleek. (Plus I love to watch my girlfriend bounce around to this.) Gordon Haskell - boyhood friend of Robert Fripp and singer of King Crimson for a couple of weeks, this somewhat mawkish singer/songwriter is closer to Gordon Lightfoot than I care to admit. And he covers a tune by - gad - Michael Franks on one of his albums, for which I paid $30 at Other Music, of all places. Having to cough up import bucks to own these is more embarassing than merely owning them. (See also: McDonald and Giles.) Kansas - anything up to and including 'Point of Know Return,' or maybe even 'Monolith.' My copy of the more recent but completely retro 'Live at the Whisky' is autographed by all of the members, even the Johnny-come-lately ringers. King Crimson - yes, I know there are enough fellow Crimfans out there that I needn't feel guilty. But my unalloyed passion for the '71-'72 version of the band - you know, the one just prior to "the good one" - merits some derision, even in light of its ongoing reassessment and rehabilitation. KISS - My original heroes and inspiration. I no longer own a single record by them. I don't need to. I know every note of the canon, from 'Kiss' to 'Love Gun,' by heart. (Not to mention 'Dynasty,' 'Unmasked' and 'Music from "The Elder,"' somewhat less fortunately.) I *AM* going to convince Zorn to do 'Great Jewish Music: Stanley Eisen & Chaim Witz,' you wait and see. Lerner & Lowe - 'Gigi' is to die for, even if the dishy Leslie Caron didn't sing her own songs... (And she's still dishy as an old lady, as anyone who saw 'Chocolat' can confirm.) Andrew Lloyd-Webber - 'Starlight Express' is a neglected masterpiece, the likes of which... nah, I'm just fucking with you here. Madonna - "Live to Tell" and "Crazy for You" are, respectively, a perfect power ballad and a perfect love song. The rest is just dumb disposable fun that I can't seem to dispose of. I have no use for most of the recent electronica flirtations, but that retro song from the second Austin Powers movie was pretty damned fine, whatever the hell it was called. "Beautiful Stranger," maybe? Steve Miller Band - "big ol' jet airliner / don't carry me too far away"... yeah, and I can still hear "Fly Like an Eagle" without thinking of the post office. Surest sign of my age. Michael Penn - more pure guitar jangle pop for yuppies. Owning the first album is warranted; owning all four is a bit more embarassing. Stephen Sondheim - yeah, I know, the early stuff is all classic. But I retain a perverse affection for 'Into the Woods' and even 'Assassins,' the runt of the litter. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Graham Fitkin, "Bed," 'Ironic' (GFR) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: composition, no zorn Date: 17 Apr 2001 19:00:47 EDT This might be a question best suited for a list with a different title, but i know there are some composers on the list who could answer. so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and modern composition? the books i am looking for need not be under any specific banner, or only dealing with modern creative music. i am just interested in what people assume to be THE most essential books on composition/theory/harmony etc. if this will clutter the list, send the reply privately. thanks, ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: composition, no zorn Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:06:15 -0700 > This might be a question best suited for a list with a different title, but i > know there are some composers on the list who could answer. > so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a > composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and > modern composition? > the books i am looking for need not be under any specific banner, or only > dealing with modern creative music. i am just interested in what people > assume to be THE most essential books on composition/theory/harmony etc. > > if this will clutter the list, send the reply privately. > > thanks, > ben > > - > Fux Theory & Counterpoint is the book Bach studied and is still in print. Great book. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Albrecht Koschnik Subject: [no zorn] guilty crimson Date: 17 Apr 2001 19:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Since King Crimson came up as one of the guilty pleasures (touch standards indeed!), let me ask all the closet Crimson fans: Recently I picked up "Epitaph," a 2CD collection of 1969 live recordings of the first line-up, and I find parts of this more exciting than any of the studio Crimson I know. There are quite a few other live cds available, from Discipline Global Mobile, from what seems to be a new Crimson cd club, expensive Japan imports, and so on. Also a pricy 4CD box, The Great Deceiver. Do you have any recommendations, or comments? I am especially interested in what you think of releases involving the line-up with Lol Coxhill and Michael Wallace. Thanks, Albrecht - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: [no zorn] guilty crimson Date: 17 Apr 2001 18:51:10 -0500 On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:11:46PM -0400, Albrecht Koschnik wrote: > Do you have any recommendations, or comments? I am especially interested > in what you think of releases involving the line-up with Lol Coxhill and > Michael Wallace. Er, I don't know of any Crimson recordings with either of these, offhand. Could you mean drummer Ian Wallace? -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: [no zorn] guilty crimson Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:09:01 -0700 On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:51:10 -0500 Joseph Zitt wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:11:46PM -0400, Albrecht Koschnik wrote: > > > Do you have any recommendations, or comments? I am especially interested > > in what you think of releases involving the line-up with Lol Coxhill and > > Michael Wallace. > > Er, I don't know of any Crimson recordings with either of these, offhand. Same here. It is the first time that I even hear about Coxhill and King Crimson. But Fripp and Coxhill in the same studio or stage, that should not surprised me (large Keith Tippett projects?). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: unconditional love Date: 17 Apr 2001 21:24:50 -0300 2 albums that don't really fit into my collection anymore and that I have CONSISTENTLY loved and listened to for many, many years and NEVER gotten sick of (to a point where I find it worrisome!) are 1. Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway and 2. Kate Bush - Hounds of love mike. np Joe Morris Quartet - Live at the knitting factory (Tim berne's new one on THirsty Ear is in the mail - can't wait) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Hiznay Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #387 Date: 17 Apr 2001 18:31:06 -0700 (PDT) "I love "Leng Tch'e" but have found the Melvins stuff I have heard to be quite bad and rather unlike "Leng Th'e", but I have only heard their recent Ipecac releases. So........................ how similar is "Lysol" and "Leng Tch'e"????? Funny,I find Leng Tch'e to be irritatingly boring, and wholly uninspiring, not to say that the melvins can't be really boring too, but leng tch'e is a crappy rip off of them, I thought so in 92 when I first heard it, and I still think so today, needless to say, the tourture garden cd of my black case tourture garden/leng tch'e double cd is nearly worn out, while the leng tch'e cd has barely ever seen the light of day, although i do keep checking to see if it's gotten any better with age, sorry, but no...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Drury Subject: Re: feldman Date: 17 Apr 2001 22:20:31 -0400 At 05:13 PM 4/17/01 -0600, Tom wrote: >Anyone know where I might find a healthy selection of Feldman's available >(and out of print) discs? Louis Goldstein's recording of Triadic Memories - I think you can get it through http://www.anomalousrecords.com more info about it on Louis' site: http://www.wfu.edu/users/louieg/tmnote.htm --steve updated info on the Summer Institute for Contemporary Piano Performance at http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...) Date: 18 Apr 2001 01:27:20 -0400 Like Joseph and Patrice, I can't think of a single instance in which Lol Coxhill and Michael Wallace are featured on any recording with Robert Fripp. They most assuredly were not involved in any King Crimson permutation. However, the much maligned 1971-72 version of the band to which I referred in my own list did feature drummer Ian Wallace (as Joseph pointed out) and a saxophonist named Mel Collins. Perhaps the names are close enough to explain the mistaken identities? There are indeed a lot of live Crimson releases, especially lately. All periods and permutations of the band are represented on the 2CD set 'Cirkus: The Young Person's Guide to King Crimson Live.' This is the best starting place for absolutely anyone, as it offers fine examples of all of the below phases of the band. Otherwise, here's a quick run down, arranged by period, with the Collectors Club noted at the end: 1. 1969 band - 'Epitaph' - If you bought the two CD version, you might already know that there are two additional discs that can be ordered via mail order or purchased as Japanese imports. The additional discs are more of the same, in far lesser sound quality. Order them if that appeals to you - they're a must for completists, and sound better than the available boots (some of which are more complete, however). 2. 1971-72 band - no live releases on CD, but the bootleg-sounding official release 'Earthbound' can sometimes be found on used vinyl. Again, mostly for completists. This was more of a bluesy jam band than any other version, and frequently they relied on simple one or two chord vamps for their improvs. But on a good night they could be more exciting than just about any other version of the band. I've got a boot from the Academy of Music in NYC circa '71 where at one point they reach the white light and white heat of Last Exit, no kidding. If I was Procol Harum, I would have been afraid to follow them on stage. 3. 1973-74 band - 'The Great Deceiver' (4CD), 'The Night Watch' (2CD) - This version of the band improvised extensively in every single show. There's something new in every single show, therefore, but, like the Grateful Dead, once you know the langauage in which they played, you've got a pretty good idea of what the band was like in general. Since this is the richest lode of improv, there is correspondingly the most live material available, both legit and boot. 'The Great Deceiver' is a heaping helping of this stuff, with most of the band's studio compositions represented amongst copious improvs. 'The Night Watch' is an almost complete recording of a singularly great show from Amsterdam in 1973, much of which would subsequently be found on the album 'Starless and Bible Black.' It's essential to fans of this era. The Wetton/Bruford rhythm team was a monster. 4. 1981-84 band - 'Absent Lovers' (2CD) - This version of the band improvised least of any, so multiple boots are pointless in my opinion except for historical and repertoire purposes. But the instrumental interplay is often awe-inspiring, and I've seen many testimonials to the effect that this set is in some ways even more convincing than the three studio records of the period. It's also, in one way, the most willfully strange: Fripp's mix pans the two guitars hard left and hard right to better illuminate the separate but interlocking parts, but the vocals remain in the positions they would occupy on stage. Therefore, you hear Adrian Belew's guitar to the left but his vocals in the center, and vice versa with Tony Levin's bass and backing vocals. 5. 1994-96 band - 'BBoom' (2CD), 'Thrakattak' - The first of these is a live date prior to the recording of the studio album 'Thrak,' representing tht material well enough and also providing versions of this lineup's take on previous material, sometimes rather convoluted but certainly acceptable. The second is more akin to the Grateful Dead's patchwork disc 'Infrared Roses' in that it isolates the improv sections from performances of the tune "Thrak' over the course of several performances. Brilliant moments, but overall this demonstrates how unconvincing this band was in the area of Euro-style free improv. 6. 1999-present - 'Heavy ConstruKction' (3CD) - The studio album 'The ConstruKction of Light' was the first KC release to ever leave me mostly cold. But here in a live setting, much of the material really comes to life. Even that music which is most referential to earlier works comes off in a more convincing manner. And once again, as in 1973-74, the free improvs are completely convicing. The third disc is made up entirely of such improvs, plus a cover version of Bowie's "Heroes." The King Crimson Collectors Club is highly recommended for hardcore fans. It costs $96 to join and for that you get 6 releases roughly bimonthly, with decent art, generally good notes, and the best possible sound restored from sources ranging from excellent to pretty darn bad. Every now and then they'll deviate from the pattern of live releases and instead put out a disc of studio outtakes, many of which are quite illuminating. But for me, the live stuff is the best, and it's here that the reappraisal of the 1971-72 Boz/Collins/Wallace band began. Particularly exciting was the revelation that the show taped at Summit Studios in Denver, widely available on boots, had actually concluded in a cover of Pharoah Sanders's "The Creator Has a Master Plan," which had not been included on any of the boots. You can find out more about the club, hear sound samples, and check out fan reviews and sound quality ratings at the Discipline Global Mobile website - go to www.disciplineglobalmobile.com and click on "Club" at the top of the main page. The Japanese import box sets of Collectors Club releases are best avoided. They're too expensive, but more importantly, they're edited, which means you aren't getting everything that Club members are getting. Why bother? The Club allows you to pick and choose which discs you receive for your $96, so you can safely collect things by your favorite lineup without being bothered with stuff you don't want. (I'm not a representative of DGM, by the way, just a very satisified customer who hasn't felt the need to add to his copious boot collection since the club started.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins w/Bliss Blood, "The Man with the Laughing Hand Is Dead," 'The Crybaby' (Ipecac) ... yes, apparently a new fetish has begun... picked up 'Gluey Porch Treatments' tonight as well... NR - Dave Eggers, 'A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius' (Vintage) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malczewski@earthlink.net (Frank Malczewski) Subject: Re: unconditional love Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:35:03 -0600 Good choices, actually. Though I'd go with "The Kick Inside". --Frank > 2 albums that don't really fit into my collection anymore and that I have > CONSISTENTLY loved and listened to for many, many years > and NEVER gotten sick of (to a point where I find it worrisome!) are > > 1. Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway > and > 2. Kate Bush - Hounds of love > > mike. > > np Joe Morris Quartet - Live at the knitting factory (Tim berne's new > one on THirsty Ear is in the mail - can't wait) Curious whether yours plays all the way through without crapping out at the end (bad CD pressing... though varies from disc to disc) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malczewski@earthlink.net (Frank Malczewski) Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:35:02 -0600 Well, I'll chime in on Missing Persons, and throw in Berlin while I'm at it. And Garbage for that matter. Probably most guilty pleasure would be Melanie's Leftover Wine album, though (wish they hadn't chopped the CD up however, as it's much better without the abrupt pauses between the you-are-there type of feeling the LP provided). I'll throw out Canned Heat just for the hell of it, and Blue Cheer. And Flash. And Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Not sure if Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock qualify... [They should end up on one of my lists somewhere] --Frank Malczewski, currently still trying to hear things properly again nearly a week after that AC/DC concert... (I think I've managed to pick up just a taste of some permanent ringing in me ears). > Jay Mote wrote: > > > > > Guilty Pleasures: Missing Persons, > > Ouch - yeah, completely forgot about them in my last mail! > Also ADORE them! :-) > > patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 01:41:36 EDT ac/dc concert? so u saw buckcherry too then? they opened right? how are they live? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: unconditional love Date: 18 Apr 2001 01:44:33 -0400 And I, 'The Dreaming.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins, "Eye Flys," 'Gluey Porch Treatments' (Ipecac) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Frank Malczewski Good choices, actually. Though I'd go with "The Kick Inside". --Frank > 2 albums that don't really fit into my collection anymore and that I have > CONSISTENTLY loved and listened to for many, many years > and NEVER gotten sick of (to a point where I find it worrisome!) are > > 1. Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway > and > 2. Kate Bush - Hounds of love - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 01:52:52 -0400 You want guilty? I once paid money and drove over an hour to see Berlin open for the Thompson Twins. If I still owned anything by the Thompson Twins - and I do consider it from time to time - then it would definitely qualify as a guilty pleasure. Same with Culture Club (who I didn't have to drive nearly as far to see live). Never did manage to see Missing Persons, though. Too bad. While I can't really deal with Dale Bozzio anymore, any band with Warren Cuccurullo *and* Terry Bozzio has to have something going for it. (I say "any band with Warren Cuccurullo *and* Terry Bozzio" so that no one reminds me that Warren's been in Duran Duran for a really long time now, while Terry recently played with The Knack...) And I shoulda remembered Cyndi Lauper. Guiltier by the minute, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins, "Echo/Don't Piece Me," 'Gluey Porch Treatments' (Ipecac) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Frank Malczewski Well, I'll chime in on Missing Persons, and throw in Berlin while I'm at it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 02:10:15 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C7AC.B645BD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You win. Furthest I ever drove for a show was about four and a half hours, from San Antonio to Houston for an Einsturzende Neubauten show that started 90 minutes late and lasted 30 minutes before the police shut it down, thanks to noise ordinances in the neighborhood. And of course, that's not guilty - just damned frustrating. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins, "Big As Mountain," 'Gluey Porch Treatments' (Ipecac) -----Original Message----- From: JanZorn@aol.com [mailto:JanZorn@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:58 AM To: ssmith36@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Guilty Choices In a message dated 4/18/01 12:55:51 AM Central Daylight Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: You want guilty? I once paid money and drove over an hour to see Berlin open for the Thompson Twins. Drove 8 1/2 hrs to see Goo Goo Dolls. Suffered through Dido and Smashmouth...but I love the Dolls... Jan ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C7AC.B645BD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You=20 win.  Furthest I ever drove for a show was about four and a half = hours,=20 from San Antonio to Houston for an Einsturzende Neubauten show that = started 90=20 minutes late and lasted 30 minutes before the police shut it down, = thanks to=20 noise ordinances in the neighborhood.
 
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In a message dated 4/18/01 12:55:51 AM = Central=20 Daylight Time,
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You want guilty?  I once paid money and drove over = an hour=20 to see Berlin
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Drove 8 1/2 hrs to see Goo = Goo Dolls.=20 Suffered through Dido and
Smashmouth...but I love the Dolls...=20
Jan = ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C7AC.B645BD60-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FJG_Lamerikx Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e Date: 18 Apr 2001 08:20:38 +0200 > "I love "Leng Tch'e" but have found the Melvins stuff > I have heard to be quite bad and rather unlike "Leng Th'e", > but I have only heard their recent Ipecac releases. > So........................ how similar is "Lysol" and > "Leng Tch'e"????? "Lysol" really is the blueprint for Leng T'che, to the point where the similarities become embarrassing. I was fortunate enough to see Melvins live recently, and they ended their set with the A-side of "Lysol". You probably won't be able to find the album under that name anymore, as I believe they got in trouble with the company producing Lysol. It is now simply titled "Melvins". Just look out for the record with the Indian on the cover... F - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malczewski@earthlink.net (Frank Malczewski) Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 00:22:33 -0600 Nope, we were supposed to see Slash's Snakepit, but given Denver's blizzard that day, almost didn't get to the show at all due to the drifts (and minimal snowplows) in my area. I think Slash (the guy from GNR) was not able to perform, and since we got there late, not sure who the blues-inspired so-so trio was (may have been Snakepit w/o Slash for all I know) that was already on stage. AC/DC was at least twice as loud as any concert I've ever been to, fwiw. From now on I take earplugs... Oh, and they were pretty good too; almost have become a fan. > ac/dc concert? so u saw buckcherry too then? they opened right? how are > they live? > > - Frank Malczewski - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:24:15 +0200 Hi y'all Thought some of you might be interested that there are two books by Georges Bataille made available in English (1st time; or reprint? I don't know...). Got the info from Amazon. L'Abbe C Literature And Evil patRice np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D nr: Eiji Yoshikawa, Taiko - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:32:12 +0200 Steve Smith wrote: > (I say "any band with > Warren Cuccurullo *and* Terry Bozzio" so that no one reminds me that > Warren's been in Duran Duran for a really long time now, while Terry > recently played with The Knack...) > Steve, Could you maybe tell me a little about The Knack. Never heard of them, but am quite a fan of Terry Bozzio. In my previous mails I'd completely forgotten about Duran Duran - they've always been a fave band of mine. Talking about Warren Cucurullo: I saw him live around 1994; a solo thing - the guy of Dweezil Zappa's band of that time on drums, and Nick Beggs (of Kajagoogoo fame!!!) on bass!!! Quite unbelievable, I thought. The music was - well, too show-offish... patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: composition, no zorn Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:45:48 +0200 ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a > composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and > modern composition? My piano teacher, who was also a composer, said that Arnold Schoenberg's book on harmony was essential. According to him, the best book ever written on the subject. (And he didn't like Schoenberg as a composer that much.) There's also a two volume book on composition available by Schoenberg. patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:23:59 -0300 I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead with 14- anyone top that!?! mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: Re: Melvins Date: 18 Apr 2001 06:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Quite frankly, all the new Melvins stuff has sucked crap. But I'd buy everything up to Stoner Witch. If you want the heavy, Lysol is good, but there's also Bullhead, Ozma, Gluey Porch Treatments, Houdini and Eggnog. King Buzzo's solo album is great as well, and Joe Preston's is alright, very heavy. After Stoner Witch, they sucked shit, which is really too bad. Peter ===== === Visit 20six20: http://risser.manilasites.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HirakeMike Subject: Re: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Date: 18 Apr 2001 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT) --- patRice wrote: > Hi y'all > > Thought some of you might be interested that there > are two books by > Georges Bataille made available in English (1st > time; or reprint? I > don't know...). Got the info from Amazon. > > L'Abbe C > Literature And Evil > > patRice L'Abbe C has been in print previously, I think through City Lights books who also prints my favorite Bataille "The Impossible". I've never read Literature and Evil. I also loved: Story of the Eye (Read somewhere that a few young Filmmakers were attempting to turn this into a film using Digital Video/Dogme '95 possibly??) Tears of Eros (It grew on me after awhile, but I enjoyed it otherwise) > np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D I recently picked this up a few weeks ago at Best Buy. I've always loved Zorns piano pieces. Still waiting for the film to arrive. I emailed the director awhile back but she never mentioned a date that it would open. HM np: Velvet Underground, Loaded __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Trembling Before G*D (was: Re: Georges Bataille...) Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:03:54 +0200 HirakeMike wrote: > > np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D > > I recently picked this up a few weeks ago at > Best Buy. I've always loved Zorns piano pieces. > Still waiting for the film to arrive. I emailed the > director awhile back but she never mentioned a date > that it would open. Has anyone from the list seen the film yet? I would love to see it - what I've read so far in the booklet sounds very interesting. Don't know if it's running now, but there's a webpage: www.tremblingbeforegod.com. patRice np: Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos, 1st CD nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo - Secrets... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: distances driven (or flown) to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 10:04:22 EDT In a message dated 4/18/01 8:26:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca writes: > I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to > see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back > the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead > with 14- anyone top that!?! > > mike Nay. But I did drive from Binghamton to NYC (4 hours) to see Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach at Radio City Music Hall. After the show I drove to CT (2 and a half hours) to meet a friend. I crashed on his couch, got up, then we drove to Washington D.C. (about six hours) for another EC/BB show. After that we drove all the way to Massachusetts (about 9 hours, maybe more). And they were the worst Elvis shows I've ever attended. When Ilived in CA I had friends fly out from Boston for a Tom Waits concert. I once flew to Las Vegas from Boston to see Elvis Costello. From Vegas I drove to LA where I saw Elvis twice. Then I drove to SF. My best friend Craig flew from Boston to London just for a Rick Wakeman show. This is nothing compared to Deadheads. Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 10:05:31 -0400 The Knack was an early '80s pop band that wanted to be the Beatles in the worst way, and the hoopla manufactured by their record company would have you believe that they were the second coming of same. The scary thing was that you got the feeling they really believed it, like Oasis did. Anyway, the Knack had one huge, huge hit that you couldn't escape when I was in high school, "My Sharona," which was common enough currency that Weird Al Yankovic did a send-up, "My Bologna" (about the lunch meat, not the city). To draw an apt musical comparison, it's kind of like if Terry Bozzio had joined the Go-Gos, or maybe Blur. And he's only on one album, a recent attempt at a comeback. If you look at the cover, he looks pretty dour among all those snarky grins. Duran Duran were a favorite of mine, too, but I have a hard time believing that they're still around, still trying to make a go of it long after Simon Le Bon's "sell by" date has expired. Have to admit, I didn't ever expect to see the name Kajagoogoo appear on the Zornlist, ever. But I guess anything's possible, right? Wonder if we'll ever see Jon Abbey again after all this nonsense... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HirakeMike Subject: Trembling Before G-D Date: 18 Apr 2001 07:09:34 -0700 (PDT) If anyone is curious, the website for the film "Trembling Before G-D" is: http://www.tremblingbeforeg-d.com/index2.html If you type www.tremblingbeforegod.com it will only give you a construction message. HM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:15:38 -0000 >I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to >see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back >the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead >with 14- anyone top that!?! I've travelled more than 24 hours, but that was to go to a festival, not a single concert. Does it count? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:17:24 -0000 And while we're at it: aparantly Zorn recently traveled from NYC to London to play a 20min solo concert for BBC. That's pretty sick! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:21:04 +0200 Steve Smith wrote: > The Knack was an early '80s pop band that wanted > , it's kind of like if Terry Bozzio had > joined the Go-Gos, or maybe Blur. And he's only on one album, a recent > attempt at a comeback. If you look at the cover, he looks pretty dour among > all those snarky grins. Right - I see. Thanks for putting me in on this. And of course I knew "My Sharona" - just never knew the name of the band. Unfortunately, Terry sometimes ends up doing VERY weird recordings to make a living... I think he should simply stick to his solo drumming. His style, I feel, doesn't really fit into any band context anymore. > > > Duran Duran were a favorite of mine, too, but I have a hard time believing > that they're still around, still trying to make a go of it long after Simon > Le Bon's "sell by" date has expired. Well - haven't heard anything new by them for a long time, but they're still around... > Have to admit, I didn't ever expect to see the name Kajagoogoo appear on the > Zornlist, ever. But I guess anything's possible, right? Wonder if we'll > ever see Jon Abbey again after all this nonsense... ;-) Well - I wouldn't have believed it either...!!! But I couldn't resist pointing that line-up out... This was a once in a lifetime opportunity... ;-) patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...) Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:32:58 -0500 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:27:20AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > The King Crimson Collectors Club is highly recommended for hardcore fans. > It costs $96 to join and for that you get 6 releases roughly bimonthly, with > decent art, generally good notes, and the best possible sound restored from > sources ranging from excellent to pretty darn bad. Every now and then > they'll deviate from the pattern of live releases and instead put out a disc > of studio outtakes, many of which are quite illuminating. But for me, the > live stuff is the best, and it's here that the reappraisal of the 1971-72 > Boz/Collins/Wallace band began. Particularly exciting was the revelation > that the show taped at Summit Studios in Denver, widely available on boots, > had actually concluded in a cover of Pharoah Sanders's "The Creator Has a > Master Plan," which had not been included on any of the boots. You can find > out more about the club, hear sound samples, and check out fan reviews and > sound quality ratings at the Discipline Global Mobile website - go to > www.disciplineglobalmobile.com and click on "Club" at the top of the main > page. For me, the revelation among the KCCC disks was the one recorded at the Beat Club, Bremen in 1972 (by what is usually called the 1973-74 band, getting an early start). In addition to performances of "Exiles" and "Lark Tongues in Aspic Part 1", the bulk of the disk is taken up by a half-hour long improv featuring Derek Bailey's occasional coconspirator Jamie Muir. The Jacksonville cover of the Pharoah Sanders tune seems kinda perfunctory to me -- it sounds like Boz just started singing the one line of it repeatedly, and the rest fell in behind him. But it's still a good listen. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:38:32 -0500 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:32:12AM +0200, patRice wrote: > Could you maybe tell me a little about The Knack. Never heard of them, but am > quite a fan of Terry Bozzio. Could one possibly have survived the past couple of decades without being subjected to "My Sharona"?! -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 09:59:02 -0500 >Could one possibly have survived the past couple of decades without being >subjected to "My Sharona"?! - Seems highly improbable. I thought this was the most overplayed tune of its era (making it on to numerous KTEL compilations and spinoffs). I still will hear mention of this song title, & I'm sure it still gets airplay on pop-crap hitlist radio even now. Maybe 'one' was in a coma? plastic bubble? out of the country for the last 25 years? just learned English? On another note: Besides Weird Al, another parody version of this tune can be found on one of the Cheech & Chong soundtracks (Up In Smoke?) entitled "My Scrotum". More guilty choices/pleasures: Judas Priest, Asia (I listened to the first album relentlessly - age 16 - '82), Supertramp (eek!), Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Echo & the Bunnymen, Big Country - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) ordinary fanfares playlist #4 - april 17, 2001 wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // www.wmfo.org 1. clark-hutchinson: improvisation on a modal scale [a=mh2 CD - repertoire] 2. afrika bambaataa: looking for the perfect beat [looking for the perfect beat 1980-1985 CD - tommy boy] 3. brainbombs: anne frank [singles CD - load] 4. yoshimitsu ichiraku: machine headz [the music of surround panner CD - zero gravity] 5. sven-ake johansson: rasche achtel [six little pieces for quintet CD - hatOLOGY] 6. bethlehem: schatten aus der alexander welt [dictius te necare CD - red stream] 7. hasil adkins: i need your head (...this ain't no rock & roll show) [out to hunch LP - norton] 8. mark bain: skowhegan bridge [vibronics 3" CD - staalplaat] 9. fushitsusha: thought it went so well? [a death never to be complete CD - tokuma] 10. sandro gorli: requiem (ensemble vocal europeen de la chapelle royale/philippe herreweghe) [gesualdo/gorli CD - harmonia mundi] 11. hawd gankstuh rappuhs mc's wid ghatz: mind if i fart? [2hype 2wype CD - wordsound] 12. rodney dangerfield: no respect [no respect LP - casablanca] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 18 Apr 2001 10:07:46 -0500 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:59:02AM -0500, Jay Mote wrote: > More guilty choices/pleasures: Judas Priest, Asia (I listened to the first > album relentlessly - age 16 - '82), Supertramp (eek!), Manfred Mann's Earth > Band, Echo & the Bunnymen, Big Country I cut work and stayed up all night to see the "Asia in Asia" concert live on MTV (the one where Greg Lake sat in for John Wetton). And Manfred Mann's Earth Band's "Watch" might qualify as another guilty pleasure for me. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures Date: 18 Apr 2001 11:10:08 -0400 Hall & Oates -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: unconditional love Date: 18 Apr 2001 08:12:09 -0700 On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:35:03 -0600 Frank Malczewski wrote: > > Good choices, actually. Though I'd go with "The Kick Inside". I would stick to HOUNDS OF LOVE, or THE DREAMING. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: playlists Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:16:36 +0200 >From: "Martin Wisckol" > >HOME CHANGER >3. Don Cherry -- Cool (just released live duet with Eddie Blackwell) can someone give any details about this release - is it comparable to El Corazon? Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 11:21:55 EDT In a message dated 4/18/01 10:09:44 AM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << Wonder if we'll ever see Jon Abbey again after all this nonsense... ;-) >> I'm still here, and I even tried to come up with something to contribute to this thread, but my guilty pleasures don't go much further these days than owning every Jandek CD. I did own Get the Knack, though, and I even bought the second Knack record, ...But the Little Girls Understand. as far as the distance thread, I'm driving five hours each way this weekend to see the AMM/Christian Wolff show at Dartmouth. next month, I'm flying from NYC to Milan, then driving to Bologna, just to see the MIMEO/John Tilbury show, which should only last a couple of hours. great night at Tonic last night. first up was Derek Bailey/Will Gaines. Gaines is a tap dancer in his seventies (as Bailey said, their combined ages are 148!), but is still full of energy. Derek seemed more interesting in playing behind and with Gaines than by himself; whenever Gaines took a rest, Bailey played by himself for a minute or two, then just started casually strumming until Gaines started tapping again. a fun set. next was IST, Simon Fell/Mark Wastell/Rhodri Davies, all making their US debuts. IST is a string trio, bass, harp and cello, respectively. normally they play both compositions and improvs, but this was a series of improvs. these guys really use their whole instrument, bowing and rubbing everything within reach. one memorable piece began with all three of them bowing small metal bowls and bells, getting a Tibetan bowl effect. Wastell also had one great sequence where he somehow got splintering noises from his bow, which went on for a few minutes with no apparent damage. this set was really great, incredibly tight, ranging from angrily destructive to subtle sounds on the edge of inaudibility, and made even more impressive by the fact that Davies was using his "travelling harp", roughly half the size of the one he uses in Europe. my friend compared seeing them to Polwechsel, and there's a definite overlap in sensibilities. great set. as if that weren't enough, next were the trio of Holz For Europa, Wolfgang Fuchs, Peter Van Bergen and Hans Koch. they played for more than an hour, each on three or four different horns, including the first piece, a subtle, rumbling contrabass clarinet trio. I-Sound sat in for the last twenty minutes, underlining the horns with some subtle beats and sampled drum sounds (Simon Fell was certain after the show that these were from Simon Vincent on the VHF Erstwhile CD). one of the best things about this set was just seeing all of the beautiful horns on their stands covering the stage. contrabass clarinets are probably six feet long. a long, really nice night of music. kudos to Tonic for putting it on. now I'm off to see every show left on the AMM tour, starting in Baltimore tomorrow night. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: Re(2): playlists Date: 18 Apr 2001 08:21:33 -0700 andreasdietz@hotmail.com writes: >>From: "Martin Wisckol" >> >>HOME CHANGER >>3. Don Cherry -- Cool (just released live duet with Eddie Blackwell) > >can someone give any details about this release - is it comparable to El >Corazon? > I find that it captures Cherry's charm a bit better than El Corazon. It's closer to Mu, and I suspect recorded about that time (anybody know the recording date?). Lots of flutes, plus piano and trumpet. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 10:34:22 -0500 On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:21:55AM -0400, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > now I'm off to see every show left on the AMM tour, starting in Baltimore > tomorrow night. I wish we had Zorn-list T-shirts, so we all could easily recognize each other. I'm eagerly looking forward to Baltimore tomorrow (and Evan Parker in DC tonight, and the Cobra at George Washington U. Saturday). Wheee! n.p. Derek Bailey & Keijo Haino -- otherwise unlabeled live clip grabbed via Napster. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: More Avant Strings Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:37:00 +0200 I´m a little bit late on this thread, but my two cents: Italian String Trio: Renato Geremia on violin, Paolo Damiani on cello and Bruno Tommaso on bass. A really outstanding string trio - worth checking out. Canvas Trio: Carlos Zingaro on violin, Joelle Leandre on bass and Ruediger Carl on accordian and clarinet. I don´t know if they are still together but I hope so. It´s definitely one of my first selections in this vein. Andreas np: Sam Rivers - Portrait (FMP) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: concert distances 2 Date: 18 Apr 2001 12:39:49 -0300 ah, I almost forgot - many moons ago when I was 'younger,' myself and 3 friends drove approximately 5 hours to see Pavement (just after slanted and enchanted was released: while they still had their original (and crazy) drummer) in Vancouver. The show wound up sometime after midnight and we started the 5 hour journey home THAT NIGHT (we had driven there on the same day). Berry Berry bad Idea, I will always remember waking up in the back of that station wagon to see THE DRIVER's SLEEPING head half-resting on the steering wheel as it spun our car OFF OF THE ROAD... and into a big field, thank goodness (there are many areas of the drive back from Vancouver, where we would have been off of a very high cliff). Needless to say, we were all very shaken up and vowed NEVER to do such a stupid thing again... that is until, we saw the notice for the My bloody Valentine/Yo la Tengo double bill about a month later....... w - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher eaton Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #389 Date: 18 Apr 2001 12:01:47 -0400 deadheads or phishheads. you all make me laugh. i went on tour with phish last summer with two firends. one section had us driving up to toronto, catching a show, driving the next day all the way down to pittsburgh, seeing a show, getting 3 hrs of sleep in a cheap motel before driving 13 (!) hours to see a show in wisconsin, then double-tracking back the next day after that to set up camp in indiana for a few days. this was my life for three weeks. needless to say, i was quite stupid near the end. ~christopher > Nay. But I did drive from Binghamton to NYC (4 hours) to see Elvis > Costello and Burt Bacharach at Radio City Music Hall. After the show I > drove to CT (2 and a half hours) to meet a friend. I crashed on his > couch, got up, then we drove to Washington D.C. (about six hours) for > another EC/BB show. After that we drove all the way to Massachusetts > (about 9 hours, maybe more). > > And they were the worst Elvis shows I've ever attended. > > When Ilived in CA I had friends fly out from Boston for a Tom Waits > concert. > > I once flew to Las Vegas from Boston to see Elvis Costello. From Vegas I > drove to LA where I saw Elvis twice. Then I drove to SF. > > My best friend Craig flew from Boston to London just for a Rick Wakeman > show. > > This is nothing compared to Deadheads. > > Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 11:41:09 -0400 Thank God, Jon's as susceptible to crap as the rest of us. ;-) I used to own the first two Knack albums as well. If either of us had gone as far as owning the third, however, I might be worried. Can't remember the title, but I can clearly picture the cover, a crane shot of the band against a bright red background... Thanks for the review of last night's Tonic show, by the way. I was bummed to miss it, but duty called - which included a shot of Finlandia vodka containing a small dead fish. Try ordering THAT at Tonic... Now I'm even more bummed that I missed the show, but glad to hear it was so memorable. Hope that the next three nights of Company at Tonic provide the members of IST with the opportunity to display more of what you've described. And do provide reports of the AMM shows. Jon Abbey, the world's first itinerant "AMMhead"! Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Beethoven, Symphony No. 9, 4th mvt., Bayreuth/Furtwangler (EMI) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...) Date: 18 Apr 2001 12:03:33 -0400 Agreed regarding the value of the Collectors Club 'Beat Club' performance. I'd owned much of this on boot for a while, but hearing it in decent studio sound was a real treat. Recently bought a bootleg videotape that included the first half of the "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part One" performance from that show. As striking as it is to hear Muir, seeing him perform in that bright red fur jacket is better still... Agreed as well about character of the performance of "The Creator Has a Master Plan," but here the value to me was twofold. First, as a Crim freak with about three feet of boots on the shelf, it was revelatory to me to hear a performance of which I had no previous knowledge. That, in itself, would have been enough. But the archaeologist in me was also overwhelmed to hear motifs from "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part One" snuck into that performance of "Creator." I knew that the '71-'72 band had dabbled once or twice previous in material that would be developed by the '73-'74 band, but it's still jarring and amazing to hear it, especially in this context. I don't exactly know how to describe this so that a non-Crimson fan could understand it (I'm not thinking of you, Joseph, but the other 1000 people on the list who hve no idea what we're talking about.) Maybe sort of like if the 1956 version of the Miles Davis Quintet had suddenly snuck in a few bars of "Bitches Brew," or the Mothers of Invention had tried their hand at "G-Spot Tornado." Or something like that. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Brahms, Ein Deutsches Requiem - mvt 1, Philharmonia/Klemperer (EMI) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 12:09:25 EDT In a message dated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:09:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Steve Smith" writes: > "My Sharona," which was common enough currency > that Weird Al Yankovic did a send-up, "My Bologna" And don't forget "Ay-ay-ay-ay-Ayatolla," the immortal soundtrack to the Iran hostage crisis. Who did *that* take-off? I don't think I ever knew. David np: Leroy Jenkins w/ Muhal Richard Abrams, Lifelong Ambitions - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Mote Subject: Deadheads or Phishheads Date: 18 Apr 2001 11:15:47 -0500 >===== Original Message From Christopher eaton ===== >deadheads or phishheads. you all make me laugh. i went on tour with phish >last summer with two firends. one section had us driving up to toronto, >catching a show, driving the next day all the way down to pittsburgh, >seeing a show, getting 3 hrs of sleep in a cheap motel before driving 13 >(!) hours to see a show in wisconsin, then double-tracking back the next >day after that to set up camp in indiana for a few days. this was my life >for three weeks. -all of this to a) see the mindless songless tripe offered up by guitar wankers b) scrog hippy chicks who eat too much chocolate c) enjoy the U.S. countryside d) witness artless masterbatory dancing by smelly folks w/o jobs selling LSD e) waste time & energy >needless to say, i was quite stupid near the end. -Hmmmm....I don't doubt it. From the music or the acid or the smells? or some combination of these? -You can commit suicide anytime now. You've seen it all. J out - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Zornlist T-shirts... Date: 18 Apr 2001 12:15:10 -0400 ... might be frowned upon, since they would no doubt involve images of Japanese bondage and latent pedophilia... ;-) In all seriousness, I've found that the best way to meet other Zornlisters is to arrange it in advance. I met Jon through a mutual friend, and I think Brian just overheard my rather large mouth one night at Tonic, but other than that my encounters with Rrrrrrrrrrrick and Dan and Jason and several others have been more or less pre-arranged. In that respect (among others), I still regret missing your own recent appearance at the Knit. (And Francesco, if you're out there reading this, how am I going to identify you at Tonic this week?) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Brahms, Ein Deutsches Requiem-mvt 2, Philharmonia/Klemperer (EMI) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joseph Zitt I wish we had Zorn-list T-shirts, so we all could easily recognize each other. I'm eagerly looking forward to Baltimore tomorrow (and Evan Parker in DC tonight, and the Cobra at George Washington U. Saturday). Wheee! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: Oliveros Date: 18 Apr 2001 10:42:17 -0600 (MDT) After seeing her last fall with Dana Reason and Phillip Gelb, I was extremely impressed with Pauline Oliveros. Can anyone recommend any early albums that she did... I'm aware of more recent things with Deep Listening Band, etc. but I'm not sure exactly where to start for her early stuff. Thanks, Matt Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HirakeMike Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/18/01 10:09:44 AM, > ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > > << Wonder if we'll ever see Jon Abbey again after > all this nonsense... ;-) >> > > I'm still here, and I even tried to come up with > something to contribute to > this thread, but my guilty pleasures don't go much > further these days than > owning every Jandek CD. Whats wrong with Jandek? Actually I just sold 8 LP's I had just sitting here, and gave away all the cd's. My Jandek phase ended quickly, I guess I became too demanding.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 19:39:56 +0200 Hi, I suppose you send these mails to the zorn-list. This way lots of people receive unwanted mail. I'd suggest that instead of making a group-address with the zornlist included, you send it to your group list and put the zornlist address in the copy field or as a different address. This way we can still use a mail rule to redirect all zornmails into a zorn folder. Am I making sense ? greetings, Rob Allaert. On woensdag, april 18, 2001, at 05:04 , Grey ElkGel wrote: > ordinary fanfares playlist #4 - april 17, 2001 > wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // www.wmfo.org > > 1. clark-hutchinson: improvisation on a modal scale > [a=mh2 CD - repertoire] > > 2. afrika bambaataa: looking for the perfect beat > [looking for the perfect beat 1980-1985 CD - tommy > boy] > > 3. brainbombs: anne frank [singles CD - load] > > 4. yoshimitsu ichiraku: machine headz [the music of > surround panner CD - zero gravity] > > 5. sven-ake johansson: rasche achtel [six little > pieces for quintet CD - hatOLOGY] > > 6. bethlehem: schatten aus der alexander welt [dictius > te necare CD - red stream] > > 7. hasil adkins: i need your head (...this ain't no > rock & roll show) [out to hunch LP - norton] > > 8. mark bain: skowhegan bridge [vibronics 3" CD - > staalplaat] > > 9. fushitsusha: thought it went so well? [a death > never to be complete CD - tokuma] > > 10. sandro gorli: requiem (ensemble vocal europeen de > la chapelle royale/philippe herreweghe) > [gesualdo/gorli CD - harmonia mundi] > > 11. hawd gankstuh rappuhs mc's wid ghatz: mind if i > fart? [2hype 2wype CD - wordsound] > > 12. rodney dangerfield: no respect [no respect LP - > casablanca] > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > > greetings, Rob@llaert.NU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Zornlist T-shirts... Date: 18 Apr 2001 13:50:10 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: >(And > Francesco, if you're out there reading this, how am I going to identify you > at Tonic this week?) Steve, look for the guy who looks just like Lopez but speaks with a charming Italian accent! Brian Olewnick NP: Kip Hanrahan - Vertical's Currency - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:03:15 EDT In a message dated 4/18/01 1:33:45 PM, hirakemike@yahoo.com writes: << Whats wrong with Jandek? Actually I just sold 8 LP's I had just sitting here, and gave away all the cd's. My Jandek phase ended quickly, I guess I became too demanding.... >> well, you partially answered your own question. nothing is wrong with Jandek. my point was that I have 14 CDs by him. most would consider that excessive, to say the least. it was the closest I could come to a guilty pleasure with my current listening habits, which are largely Erstwhile-related. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:07:42 -0700 > Thank God, Jon's as susceptible to crap as the rest of us. ;-) > > I used to own the first two Knack albums as well. If either of us had gone > as far as owning the third, however, I might be worried. Can't remember the > title, but I can clearly picture the cover, a crane shot of the band against > a bright red background... > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Beethoven, Symphony No. 9, 4th mvt., Bayreuth/Furtwangler (EMI) > > > - > Gee, Doug Fieger appeared on my last album. What does this make me? skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 11:09:32 -0700 (PDT) hi, i don't have a group list. i *just* sent this to the zorn-list, to the boss-improv list and to the lowercase-sound list. i *didn't* send this to any individual addresses (w/ the exception of 2 friends who aren't on any of these lists). if you're on more than one of those lists, then you may have recieved it more than once, but i only sent them to these 3 lists (and to myself, and the 2 aforementioned friends). nonetheless, it was the last show, so you'll receive no more playlists from me. sorry about any inconvenience. .greg. > I suppose you send these mails to the zorn-list. > This way lots of people receive unwanted mail. I'd > suggest that instead of making a group-address > with the zornlist included, you send it to your > group list and put the zornlist address in the copy > field or as a different address. This way we > can still use a mail rule to redirect all zornmails > into a zorn folder. > > Am I making sense ? > > greetings, > > Rob Allaert. > > > On woensdag, april 18, 2001, at 05:04 , Grey ElkGel > wrote: > > > ordinary fanfares playlist #4 - april 17, 2001 > > wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // > www.wmfo.org > > > > 1. clark-hutchinson: improvisation on a modal > scale > > [a=mh2 CD - repertoire] > > > > 2. afrika bambaataa: looking for the perfect beat > > [looking for the perfect beat 1980-1985 CD - tommy > > boy] > > > > 3. brainbombs: anne frank [singles CD - load] > > > > 4. yoshimitsu ichiraku: machine headz [the music > of > > surround panner CD - zero gravity] > > > > 5. sven-ake johansson: rasche achtel [six little > > pieces for quintet CD - hatOLOGY] > > > > 6. bethlehem: schatten aus der alexander welt > [dictius > > te necare CD - red stream] > > > > 7. hasil adkins: i need your head (...this ain't > no > > rock & roll show) [out to hunch LP - norton] > > > > 8. mark bain: skowhegan bridge [vibronics 3" CD - > > staalplaat] > > > > 9. fushitsusha: thought it went so well? [a death > > never to be complete CD - tokuma] > > > > 10. sandro gorli: requiem (ensemble vocal europeen > de > > la chapelle royale/philippe herreweghe) > > [gesualdo/gorli CD - harmonia mundi] > > > > 11. hawd gankstuh rappuhs mc's wid ghatz: mind if > i > > fart? [2hype 2wype CD - wordsound] > > > > 12. rodney dangerfield: no respect [no respect LP > - > > casablanca] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > > > > > > greetings, > Rob@llaert.NU __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:09:35 -0400 No offense, but I strongly disagree; I enjoyed seeing Greg's playlists, as much as I enjoy seeing "NP" listings appended to everyone's random thoughts. And the point is moot now, anyway, because the show has ended. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rob Allaert Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:40 PM Cc: Zornlist I suppose you send these mails to the zorn-list. This way lots of people receive unwanted mail. I'd suggest that instead of making a group-address with the zornlist included, you send it to your group list and put the zornlist address in the copy field or as a different address. This way we can still use a mail rule to redirect all zornmails into a zorn folder. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:27:56 -0400 A lucky man, actually. Doug's a talented writer and a charismatic performer, who happened to write a song that caught the entire world's attention for a spell. Doesn't make it a bad song. And he's done some very cool things since then - I even know about 'em. It's really kind of a shame that the manufactured hype surrounding the Knack (some of which the band contributed too, remember) ultimately resulted in backlash. If I appear to take the group less than seriously, that's probably why. And in a thread about guilty pleasures, "crap" is not necessarily intended as a complaint or an insult. It's just shorthand for catchy, kitschy, disposable (but often unforgettable) pop. I'm probably overreacting, but I'd like to avoid igniting the kind of shit storm I set off in the Zappa thread. On the other hand, everybody steps on someone's toe sometime. Semantics, schmemantics, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - still nada... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Gee, Doug Fieger appeared on my last album. What does this make me? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: RE: unconditional love Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:32:23 EDT << And I, 'The Dreaming.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com and i as well... -matt mitchell -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Frank Malczewski Good choices, actually. Though I'd go with "The Kick Inside". --Frank > 2 albums that don't really fit into my collection anymore and that I have > CONSISTENTLY loved and listened to for many, many years > and NEVER gotten sick of (to a point where I find it worrisome!) are > > 1. Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway > and > 2. Kate Bush - Hounds of love - >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: MELVINS, BORIS Date: 18 Apr 2001 19:34:10 +0100 (BST) The B side of 'Lysol' is, for the most part, similar to 'Leng T'che' and comparisons can be definitely be drawn there, and there only... The rest of the LP is more rockin, inc. FLIPPER, ALICE COOPER covers which have been Melvined, so to speak. A special mention for 'Charmicarmacat', from 'Eggnog' EP. Now THAT is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. I also recommend Japan's BORIS. Their 'Absolutego' CD has recently been rereleased by SOUTHERN LORD with an extra track and as a "special low frequency version". As if it wasn't heavy enough already! 'Absolutego' is basically, 20mins of feedback, 20mins SERIOUSLY HEAVY MELVINS style 'rock', and another 20mins of feedback. An excellent release. Also highly recommended: CORRUPTED Japan. Feat. Chew ex-BOREDOMS, OMOIDE HATOBA, etc. SUNN0))) US. Apparently an EARTH 'tribute' band. BURNING WITCH US. Probably too 'metal' for most of you... Theres more, but I think I've said enough for now... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: JZ covering NAPALM DEATH solo? Date: 18 Apr 2001 19:41:51 +0100 (BST) Does anybody know about a JZ recording of him covering NAPALM DEATH songs solo on his sax? If so, what is it? I know his discography, but don't know this... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Feldman/Oliveros/Music with Roots in the Aether/Guilty Pleasure Date: 18 Apr 2001 13:59:08 -0500 Hi all, A few guilty pleasures back, there was a request for a source for Feldman sources & recommendations. If you're looking for a single source, the best may be Anomalous . As for recommendations: you've got a good start on the late works with >the Kronos Quartet's "Piano and String Quartets" >recording, the complete Philip Guston, and Samuel Beckett. For more works from this period, Stephen Drury's suggestion of Louis Goldstein's recording of Triadic Memories is right on too. There're a lot of other good recordings of Feldman works from the last ten years or so of his life. But I'd suggest that you check into some of Feldman's earlier music too, though this is different from the later works you already know, not only in terms of scale. The box set you asked about, Ecstasy of the Moment, is good & offers a lot of works from Feldman's entire career, but a couple of smaller (& cheaper) sets also offer good overviews. The Mode disc by Aki Takahashi offers very good performances of a wide range of piano solo works & Mode's album of violin & piano pieces is also very good. There's a quirky collection on the RZ label of solo piano and chamber works culled from many live European radio broadcasts that's got some really wonderful performances on it, Anomalous often has it in stock. As to Oliveros, again there's a significant difference in style between earlier works & what she's doing now. &, for now at least, there's a lot less to choose from for recordings of pre-Deep Listening Band recordings. The CD called Electronic Works on Paradigm has a nice array of studio electronic pieces from the mid-1960s. After that, there're a couple of Lovely Music releases from the 1970s that have never came out on CD: Accordion & Voice presents two meditative solo works & is very good; The Wanderer presents two works for ensemble, one a small group version of one of the solos from A&V, the title piece, for a large accordion ensemble, is more lively than most of her other recorded works. There's also a mid-1980s collection that came out on Hat Art called the Well & the Gentle with chamber works performed by Relache & solo accordion pieces. This is listed as a forthcoming re-issue on the Hat Web site, and it's worth checking out. There's also a good video of Oliveros with an interview and performance that's part of Robert Ashley's video project Music with Roots in the Aether. This series of seven roughly two-hour video tapes presents interviews and performances by Robert Ashley, David Behrman, Philip Glass, Alvin Lucier, Gordon Mumma, Terry Riley, as well as Pauline Oliveros. This a very good way to see/hear what was going on with these artists in the late 1970s. The settings are often hilarious, though I don't want to give away any surprise here, the performances are all at least very good, & the interviews are quirky (most are lengthy and informative, one or two are brief and/or cryptic). Anomalous usually has these in stock, and some enlightened (for which read non-chain) video rental places have them. My best musical guilty pleasure is hearing things on pop radio and trying to figure out what I've heard about that it may be. This worked better when I lived in Seattle, though, cause I only rarely ever hear about what gets played on pop radio round here. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/ mappings@antennaradio.com Mappings P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Deadheads or Phishheads Date: 18 Apr 2001 15:01:28 EDT Wow, you're really nice. -matt mitchell -all of this to a) see the mindless songless tripe offered up by guitar wankers b) scrog hippy chicks who eat too much chocolate c) enjoy the U.S. countryside d) witness artless masterbatory dancing by smelly folks w/o jobs selling LSD e) waste time & energy >needless to say, i was quite stupid near the end. -Hmmmm....I don't doubt it. From the music or the acid or the smells? or some combination of these? -You can commit suicide anytime now. You've seen it all. J out - >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Date: 19 Apr 2001 12:25:19 -0700 > A lucky man, actually. Doug's a talented writer and a charismatic > performer, who happened to write a song that caught the entire world's > attention for a spell. Doesn't make it a bad song. And he's done some very > cool things since then - I even know about 'em. It's really kind of a shame > that the manufactured hype surrounding the Knack (some of which the band > contributed too, remember) ultimately resulted in backlash. If I appear to > take the group less than seriously, that's probably why. And in a thread > about guilty pleasures, "crap" is not necessarily intended as a complaint or > an insult. It's just shorthand for catchy, kitschy, disposable (but often > unforgettable) pop. > > I'm probably overreacting, but I'd like to avoid igniting the kind of shit > storm I set off in the Zappa thread. On the other hand, everybody steps on > someone's toe sometime. > > Semantics, schmemantics, > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - still nada... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller > > Gee, Doug Fieger appeared on my last album. What does this make me? > In all honesty, I think Fieger is pretty rpoud to have wrotten "Sharona", but I think he misses the days of feeling vital, which is what has led him to try his hand at some more interesting things that might seem out of his balliwick. And Doug's balliwick is admirable -- when he performed live with us, we did "Surf's Up", and he sang it AS WRITTEN - all 30 octaves worth. It was like Yma Sumac (without the ulcer). skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William Crump Subject: Re: Masada 4/14/01 Date: 18 Apr 2001 12:29:02 -0700 wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > > Does he ever come to the Southeast? Atlanta, maybe? New Orleans? > > Masada has played Atlanta at least once, Zorn in other combos a couple of times I think. He was also at the Incus Week in Chattanooga a few years back (along w/F. Frith, Oxley, Shaking Ray Levis). There was a brief US Masada tour in, uh, 1997 I think, that kicked off in Memphis, at Barristers. My first time seeing the band, and Joey was en fuego. I don't remember where the 2nd show was, but then the 3rd was in Knoxville. The tour jumped all over the place, like Denver to Seattle to Chicago. I heard some weirdness later on about the contract requiring the band to be provided a strictly kosher menu, but when they landed in Memphis, the first thing they wanted was some good barbecue. William Crump - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:09:59 +0200 What I meant was: I like all zorn related mails to appear in my Zorn mailfolder instead of it being mingled with my 'ordinary' mail. My normal INBOX has mails that are personally addressed to me. When mail is addressed to a "group" it doesn't work since the real addresses aren't visible. If everyone just puts the real address in the 'to' or 'cc' field, then it is solved. Maybe I'll just have to create (many) rules for all mails that have the zornlist in their undisclosed group mailings. Anyway, np: Michel Portal - Minneapolis (2001) > No offense, but I strongly disagree; I enjoyed seeing Greg's playlists, > as much as I enjoy seeing "NP" listings appended to everyone's random > thoughts. And the point is moot now, anyway, because the show has > ended. - Steve Smith - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) > If everyone just puts the real address in > the 'to' or 'cc' field, then it is solved. ok. now i get what you're saying - from now on, i'll try to make sure not to put mailing list emails under bcc: .greg. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:25:28 +0200 Thanks my friend, you truly are zorn again ;-) >> If everyone just puts the real address in >> the 'to' or 'cc' field, then it is solved. > > ok. now i get what you're saying - from now on, i'll > try to make sure not to put mailing list emails under > bcc: > > .greg. > greetings, Rob @ risk np: Michel Portal - Minneapolis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:30:09 +0000 on 01.04.18 12:23 PM, mwoodwor at mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca wrote: > I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to > see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back > the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead > with 14- anyone top that!?! Ummm.... well, my wife and I drove 7 hours to NYC to see Marilyn Crispell at Tonic, then drove back the next day, but we left at 9 a.m. and didn't arrive home in Erie, PA, until midnight-- which is 15 coming back, but that's because it included a side-trip to Woodstock to eat lunch w/ Marilyn... PLUS! We're most likely MUCH older than you... so... ummmm... Do we win? RL -- ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:36:11 -0400 on 4/18/01 10:15 AM, Arthur Gadney at a_gadney@hotmail.com wrote: > > I've travelled more than 24 hours, but that was to go to a festival, not a > single concert. Does it count? Twenty-four hours each way (Saskatoon to Boulder) to see the Stones in 1981. Otherwise, 7 hours each way to see Waits in NYC in 99. Both worth the trip. I've got the single concert lead at this point, I think. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #389/bataille Date: 18 Apr 2001 15:03:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: patRice > > Thought some of you might be interested that there > are two books by Georges Bataille made available in > English (1st time; or reprint? I don't know...). Got > the info from Amazon. > > L'Abbe C > Literature And Evil these have both been in print previously (and reprinted periodically) by marion boyars publishers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:03:12 -0500 Well, I don't think I can beat the distances, but perhaps the total cost to a participant. My frind Chuck and I, several years ago decided to drive from Pittsburgh to NYC to visit his dad and see Bill Frisell's band with joey baron and kermit driscoll on a Friday night and Masada and Pete LaRoca (at seperate venues) on Saturday. We started driving down the PA turnpike when I noticed Chuck's car hood vibrating quite a bit. We talked about how in Driver's Ed in High School the teacher said to look through the little crack between the hood and bottom of the windshield if you're hood ever flew up. Chuck figured if you didn't have the presence of mind to think of that in the first place, you wouldn't remember it if it happened. We stopped for lunch ans got back on the road after looking at the hood and determining that it seemed as normal as it ever was after Chuck rear ended a semi a few years before. We got up to about 75mph and lo and behold, the hood flies up and we're both trying to look out the little crack. I say "I can't see shit, how about you?" Chuck: "I can't see shit either." So we get to Lancaster at about 5pn when the car rental place is about to close. We can't continue in Chuck's car because the windshield has cracked and is falling in. We are able to rent a car and continue to NYC. A body shop in Lancaster says they'll have Chuck's car ready on Monday when we're going back. We see Frisell and fall asleep, thinking it is due to our exhausting ordeal, but some other guy falls asleep and falls to the floor of th KF and sleeps there, so we figure maybe it is the music. Masada kicks ass, Pete's band with Dave Liebman is excellent. We start to drive back to Pgh, call Lancaster no windshield it will be a week. Chuck makes arrangements to keep rental car until next saturday when he can pick up his finally ready car. Chuck gets speeding tickets on sat on way to and from Lancaster. Almost 2 years later his auto insurance policy is cancelled due to the 2 tickets. He has to by a more expensive policy. Costs (excluding the normal gas, food, admission to clubs): windshield: $800 rental car: $900 (they didn't tell him he had bought their expensive insurance in addition to his own insurance) tickets: $180 new insurance policy: $1200 more than his previous policy Total extras: $3080 Chuck's response: "Next time, we a re flying." Rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #391 Date: 18 Apr 2001 15:16:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= > > > SUNN0))) > US. Apparently an EARTH 'tribute' band. i actually like them better than their intended tributees. and they're made up of members of burning witch and goatsnake, though i don't like those bands quite as much as sunn 0))) - i'm not too into the vocals in either goatsnake or burning witch, so i guess i appreciate the instrumental band more. though i do like thorr's hammer (there are 3 bands called thorr's hammer i'm talking here about the most recent of them), which also has members of goatsnake and burning witch, but the vocalist is a swedish woman who can grunt it out w/ the best death metal crooners. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: musical harbringers (was: crimson) Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:35:17 -0500 (CDT) Steve Smith described his hearing 'larks tongues in aspic' part 1 embedded in an improv by an earlier incarnation of king crimson, and then said it was "Maybe sort of like if the 1956 version of the Miles Davis Quintet had suddenly snuck in a few bars of "Bitches Brew" which reminded me of the fact that miles davis, in a show from 22 march 1960, stockholm, plays 'jean pierre' during a solo, which wouldn't show up as a 'real' tune until his 'comeback' in 1981. i was surprised, and imagined being in davis' shoes, having that inane jingle stuck in one's head for 21 years (and now it's in mine...). any others? whit http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:16:11 -0000 >From: HirakeMike > >- --- patRice wrote: > > > > Thought some of you might be interested that there > > are two books by > > Georges Bataille made available in English (1st > > time; or reprint? I > > don't know...). Got the info from Amazon. > > > > L'Abbe C > > Literature And Evil > > > > patRice > >L'Abbe C has been in print previously, I think through >City Lights books who also prints my favorite Bataille >"The Impossible". Both "Literature and Evil" and "L'Abbe C" go in and out of print frequently as they are published by a small press out of New York, Marion Boyars. The same for "Blue of Noon." City Lights publishes "Erotism," "The Impossible," and "Story of the Eye." The last is his most essential fictional work. NP: "Harim Castle," from "Sounds of the Night: Kayagum Masterpieces Vol. 4" by Hwang Byung-ki (No PL today. I'm too busy). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Date: 18 Apr 2001 16:22:58 -0700 On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:16:11 -0000 "Bill Ashline" wrote: > > Both "Literature and Evil" and "L'Abbe C" go in and out of print frequently > as they are published by a small press out of New York, Marion Boyars. The > same for "Blue of Noon." City Lights publishes "Erotism," "The Impossible," > and "Story of the Eye." The last is his most essential fictional work. And his study on Gilles de Rais, has it ever been translated? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: The Residents Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:45:03 -0000 >From: HirakeMike >What works by The Residents would one recommend for >the uneducated listener? Is the music worthy of >exploration? As one who had closely followed this group from the beginning (Meet The Residents, Fingerprince, Not Available, Duckstab, Eskimo, Commercial Album, all recommended by the way), I lost interest around the time of Mark Of The Mole & Stars 'N' Hank, where it'd seemed to me they were losing their 'avant edge' and becoming more just 'cutesy-weird'. Anyway, they played live here a couple of weeks ago, in support of a newly released DVD that compiles their video work (Icky Flix), I actually agonised about whether to go, finally broke down a few hours before showtime bought a ticket and ended up seeing them playing live to their videos! This was what I had feared they were going to do, but the way they did it was so completely unique, I came away appreciating just how innovative this band has been, especially using video imagery. This was the best 'show' I have seen in ages! So if you have DVD facilities check out the 'Icky Flix' compilation. If you have the chance go see them perform live. Failing those 2 options check out any of the early albums listed above, especially Duck Stab, Fingerprince, Not Available. Oh yeah, Eskimo is my personal favourite, but this strange piece of ethnoforgery is certainly not for everyone! (It was always great for driving customers beserk at the indie store where I worked when it was released.) np: ~scape staedtizism _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:50:56 -0000 >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" >And his study on Gilles de Rais, has it ever been translated? That one goes in and out of print as well, Patrice. A hipster publisher out of San Francisco I believe publishes it--Amok. Amok is distributed with Re/Search publications and City Lights, as I recall from my bookstore days. NP: "Spring Snow" "Sounds of the Night: Kayagum Masterpieces Vol. 4" by Hwang Byung-ki. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Soft Machine Date: 19 Apr 2001 00:04:39 -0000 >From: "Efrén del Valle" >I feel like going deeper into Robert Wyatt's discography and I heard today >several songs from Soft Machine's "third" and "fourth". I digged the listen >quite a lot but would like to be sure. > Cuneiform released the ultimate Soft Machine album last year, 'Noisette', featuring the band in full flight live, with 2 horn players, Elton Dean and Lyn Dobson. The essential version of this group revolved around Mike Ratledge keys, Hugh Hopper bass, and Robert Wyatt drums & voice (although Kevin Ayers lent his unique charm to the first album). Once Wyatt left, the others should really have called it a day, although Six and Seven do have some moments. Whatever you think about the Bundles era group is inconsequential, they should have changed the name once all the original members were out! As mentioned, Volume 1 & 2 are well worth checking out, their eccentric English psychedelic charm making up for any musical shortcomings. Plus they were more song oriented which means more Wyatt vocals, one of the great rock singers of our time! Wyatt's first solo effort 'End Of An Ear' is more in an avant jazz vein, somewhat dated sounding now but still worth a listen. And his last solo date 'Shleep' was pretty fab too. But it's 'Noisette' that delivers the goods! np: Pi O.S.T. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: Class cuts Date: 19 Apr 2001 00:10:54 -0000 >From: "Steve Smith" > >Yup. The Haunted are a "classic" death metal band from Sweden... For what it's worth, The [original] Haunted were a 'classic' psych garage punk band from Montreal in the late '60s, whose original records of course now fetch 3-4 figure prices... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Zornlist T-shirts... Date: 18 Apr 2001 20:08:43 +0000 on 01.04.18 5:50 PM, Brian Olewnick at olewnick@gis.net wrote: > Steve Smith wrote: >> (And >> Francesco, if you're out there reading this, how am I going to identify you >> at Tonic this week?) > > Steve, look for the guy who looks just like Lopez but speaks with a > charming Italian accent! Francesco looks *much* older of course. And wiser... rrrrrrrr -- ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: re- barre phillips Date: 19 Apr 2001 00:16:33 -0000 >From: Wolfgang Armbruster > I do have a few Barre Phillips records in my collection. The only real >bass solo album... I recall an album entitled 'Bass Is' featuring Phillips and 3 other bassists... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lee, Edgar" Subject: Keith Rowe Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:25:11 +1000 I had the pleasure of driving Keith Rowe around Melbourne when he performed at the What is Music Festival last year. He is a wonderful conversationalist who would remark that he thought a lot of music was brilliant and then would add that he didn't like it, which for a few of us has become a fun remark to drop at the end of a gig. His solo performance seemed similar to those described recently. I think he preferred it if the audience didn't applaud in a rapturous fashion, although some of us did anyway. The recent interview in Wire seemed to capture his spirit and is a great way to start if you want to know more about AMM. Edgar NP Austrian Choir Old songs for a new country - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:05:15 EDT From South Carolina to Vancouver, B.C. to see Orquesta Aragon. Well, okay- truth is in order. I flew there for vacation last year and they happened to be playing in the Vancouver Jazz Festival while I was there... -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 20:11:11 -0700 Once I flew completely around the world to catch Robert Fripp here in Ventura. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DKuper9200@aol.com Subject: Re: distances driven to concert Date: 18 Apr 2001 23:44:13 EDT In the spring of 1999, I flew from New York City to Houston, Texas to see the world premiere of Tod Machover's opera "Resurrection." David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #390 Date: 19 Apr 2001 00:27:25 EDT In a message dated 4/18/01 1:41:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Whats wrong with Jandek? >> Besides the fact that his music is terrible? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Zornlist T-Shirts Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:03:23 +0200 whoever wrote: > ... might be frowned upon, since they would no doubt involve images of > Japanese bondage and latent pedophilia... ;-) > Lovely! I wouldn't mind wearing one... ;-) Reminds me of the times when I used to always run 'round in my Naked City t-shirt; which had a rather "violent" image on it... A girl at a bar almost refused to serve me - she said "God, how can you wear such a horrible t-shirt? My flatmate listens to this band all the time, and I fucking hate them. They're evil. People who listen to that crap are sick!" :-) Another time I left a club in London where people were handing out flyers to everyone to promote other parties - whoever noticed my t-shirt didn't give me a flyer... but looked at me rather funnily... patRice np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo: Secrets... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Zornlist T-Shirts Date: 19 Apr 2001 05:25:36 EDT whoa. hey, ive got a job interview in a few days. can i borrow that t-shirt? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: [no zorn] guilty crimson Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:20:42 +0200 > Crimson cd club, expensive Japan imports, and so on. Also a pricy 4CD > box, The Great Deceiver. Just go and buy that one. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Zornlist T-Shirts Date: 19 Apr 2001 14:18:19 +0200 I take it you don't really want the job, right??? ;-) patRice PaanKu@aol.com wrote: > whoa. hey, ive got a job interview in a few days. can i borrow that t-shirt? > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: NAKED CITY shirt Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:18:47 +0100 (BST) Seeing as though we're on the subject of Zorn shirts, if anyone has a NAKED CITY shirt and would be willing to sell/trade, please contact me off-list. Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: NAKED CITY shirt Date: 19 Apr 2001 08:20:56 EDT yeah, and while we're trading intimate pieces of clothing, if anybody's got some v-neck undershirts with really brown underarms... feel free not to contact me off-list about it, thanks ;) ~fishy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: NAKED CITY, PAINKILLER wants Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:31:06 +0100 (BST) If anyone has the following and would be willing to sell/trade, please get in contact with me off-list. 1.NAKED CITY Torture Garden CD Earache,UK MOSH28CD 2.NAKED CITY Leng T'che CD Toy's Factory,Jap TFCK-88604 3.PAINKILLER Rituals : Live In Japan CD Toy's Factory,Jap TFCK-88627 4.PAINKILLER Execution Ground 2xCD marble or metal box Subharmonic,US SD 7008-2 17082 Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Zornlist T-Shirts Date: 19 Apr 2001 05:38:46 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of patRice > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:03 AM > Reminds me of the times when I used to always run 'round in my Naked City > t-shirt; which had a rather "violent" image on it... This wouldn't happen to be the one with the sailor-suited girl with the ripped-open face, whose eyeball is being tongued by that guy, is it? I stil can't wear that T-shirt around here in San Francisco... Later, Ben http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ: 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: NAKED CITY video Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:37:33 +0100 (BST) NAKED CITY 'Live at the Marquee Club, NYC 4/9/92' VHS Video (120mins) is available to buy for $30 from: VIDEOBEAT MUSIC VIDEOS 2616 N CLARK STREET CHICAGO IL 60614 U.S.A Tel : 773 871 6667 E-Mail : videobeat@aol.com If anyone has any other NAKED CITY and PAINKILLER live videos, audios, etc. Please contact me off-list. Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?MJ=20Gillham?= Subject: Re: NAKED CITY shirt Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:55:25 +0100 (BST) PaanKu@aol.com wrote: > yeah, and while we're trading intimate pieces of > clothing, if anybody's got some v-neck undershirts > with really brown underarms... feel free not to > contact me off-list about it, thanks ;) > ~fishy HA. I have everything else by NAKED CITY, except for the 'Torture Garden' CD on EARACHE and the shirt. I need these items to complete my er, 'collection'... ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: new John Oswald Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:46:40 -0400 After hearing about the impending release of Oswald's "Plunderphonic 69/96" it has now shown up on the new WFMU playlist. However, I can't find it listed in the usual mailorder sources. Anybody know when it might turn up and more importantly how much it'll cost? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Distances driven to concerts Date: 19 Apr 2001 07:49:41 -0700 I once drove 12 hours from Portland to San Francisco to see Praxis with the Invisibl Skratch Piklz (November '95). We left Portland at 2:00 in the afternoon, got to Palo Alto (where we crashed with a friend's family) around 3:00am, went to the show at Slim's the following night at 8:00pm and then drove back to Portland at 5:00am the next morning. Gone 48 hours total - 24 in a car, 24 in the city. That's about as "hard core" as I get. Murray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: big ums Subject: Re: NAKED CITY Date: 19 Apr 2001 07:58:41 -0700 writes: > I have everything else by NAKED CITY, except for the > 'Torture Garden' CD on EARACHE... So... Is my cd copy of Torture Garden on Shimmy Disc a reissue? Or is it the other way around? Cornfused, CP. np. Parson Sound... fuh! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: new John Oswald Date: 19 Apr 2001 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT) --- wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > After hearing about the impending release of > Oswald's "Plunderphonic 69/96" it has now shown up > on the new WFMU playlist. However, I can't find it > listed in the usual mailorder sources. Anybody know > when it might turn up and more importantly how much > it'll cost? I'm not sure what good it does one to have one's work "stolen" in complicity, except perhaps Seeland's lawyers are top-notch. This came through a while back on the plunderphonics group (a yahoogroup, for those interested). It's actually great news, though it doesn't really answer Lang's question. Maybe try Seeland mail order? >From: Ray Brain >To: >Subject: [plunderphonia] Seeland steals 69 Plunderphonics 96 box set >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:59:05 -0400 > >The following is a message to all plunderphoniacs from John Oswald: > >For the past month or so there have been many conflicting reports about the >existence & availability of the box/book set of PLUNDERPHONICS. >Well, it does exist now, but it's not mine to sell or give away. > >My label Fony produced this retrospective package under my direct >supervision & hands-on involvement. It features 60 plunderphonic tracks >created between 1969 and 1996. In January, after a couple of years of work >on compilation, remastering, rerealization, and licensing, we announced a >mid-March release date for the project. Many licensing deals had been made >to enable this package to be published with the acquiescence of the major >labels. Licensing fees would have been reflected in our estimated retail >list price of $100. > >But,as of January 2001, after two years of negotiating, some license deals >were still not in place. > >In the end Fony was unable to obtain a couple of licenses. And i have a >legal agreement with the majors that i won't rerelease specific tracks from >the 1989 PLUNDERPHONICS CD without their permission. In a couple of cases, >permission wasn't given, or even discussible. > >The result would have been that i would have had to compromise the contents >of the set and condone some glaring omissions in order to release it at all. >I abhore the notion of creative compromise more than the i like the idea of >everyone & their brother-in-law getting paid. But a deal is a deal, so i was >in a position where it seemed like my best option was to put the set into a >time capsule for a hundred years or so, until it, and all the >electroquotations it contains, enter the public domain. > >Luckily, Seeland has decided to steal this project from me. Several months >ago Fony sent Seeland digital replicas of all the music, texts & graphics >which constitute the package, for their perusal and comment. When they >received word that Fony & i would be unable to release it, Seeland decided >to take over & publish the set independent of any licensing. > >I thank Seeland for this benevolent act of theft, and approve of their >release of the 69 PLUNDERPHONICS 96 box/book set. No animals, including any >hairless apes, were harmed in bringing this production to fruition. > >Like they say: "Get it while you can!" > >for now, > >: john oswald > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: NAKED CITY Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:10:32 -0700 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:58:41 -0700 big ums wrote: > > writes: > > I have everything else by NAKED CITY, except for the > > 'Torture Garden' CD on EARACHE... > > So... > > Is my cd copy of Torture Garden on Shimmy Disc a reissue? Or is it the > other way around? In fact Shimmy-Disc and Earache released the first pressings of the record. Toy's Factory's one came one year later. I don't think that we can talk about reissues for these, it is more like pressings sharing different regions (US, Europe, and Asia). 1990 - Shimmy-Disc (USA), S-039-CS (CT) 1990 - Shimmy-Disc (USA), Shimmy 0...039 (45RPM 12") 1990 - Earache (UK), Mosh 28 (LP) 1990 - Earache (UK), Mosh 28 CD (CD) 1990 - Earache (UK), Mosh 28 MC (CT) 1991 - Toy's Factory Records (Japan), TFCK-88557 (CD) 1993 - Shimmy-Disc (USA), 039 (CD) 1997 - Tzadik (USA), TZ 7312-2 (2xCD) Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:16:03 EDT In a message dated 4/18/01 2:10:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, greyelkgel@yahoo.com writes: << sorry about any inconvenience. >> Wouldn't worry about it. Some people forget that the usage of the delete key works wonders when receiving mail they're not interested in reading. Besides, I doubt that the Zornlist address base is one that's given out to anyone who requests it. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: NAKED CITY video Date: 19 Apr 2001 17:21:40 -0000 >NAKED CITY 'Live at the Marquee Club, NYC 4/9/92' VHS >Video (120mins) is available to buy for $30 from: Has anybody seen this and would care to coment? How good is the quality? ...and performance?! Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Zornheads Date: 19 Apr 2001 15:51:33 EDT How's the Book of Heads? David rp: Richard and Mimi Farina, Reflections in a Crystal Wind - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Zornlist T-Shirts Date: 19 Apr 2001 21:55:57 +0200 Benito Vergara wrote: > > > Reminds me of the times when I used to always run 'round in my Naked City > > t-shirt; which had a rather "violent" image on it... > > This wouldn't happen to be the one with the sailor-suited girl with the > ripped-open face, whose eyeball is being tongued by that guy, is it? I stil > can't wear that T-shirt around here in San Francisco... That is exactly the one I was talking about!!! :-) And you say you CAN'T WEAR that in San Francisco?!?! I can hardly believe that... patRice np: Craig David, Born To Do It (Another guilty thing...) nr: Skin&Ink Mag - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: Wyatt/Soft Machine recommendations Date: 19 Apr 2001 22:27:49 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0C91F.F77E69C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone! Thank you so much for all the Wyatt/Soft Machine recommendations. I just = bought "Schleep" and sounds really good. I'll bear all your advise in = mind. Best regards, Efr=E9n del Valle ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0C91F.F77E69C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone!
 
Thank you so much for all the = Wyatt/Soft Machine=20 recommendations. I just bought "Schleep" and sounds really = good. I'll=20 bear all your advise in mind.
 
Best regards,
 
Efrén del=20 Valle
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0C91F.F77E69C0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: insane coho lip army Date: 19 Apr 2001 16:38:57 -0400 (EDT) > "My Sharona," which was common enough currency > that Weird Al Yankovic did a send-up, "My Bologna" And don't forget "Ay-ay-ay-ay-Ayatolla," the immortal soundtrack to the Iran hostage crisis. Who did *that* take-off? I don't think I ever knew. that would be steve dahl, chicago wlup dj, who also did the rod stewart send-up 'do ya think i'm disco' and blew up 1000s of disco records at wrigley field. his tribute to john wayne gacey, 'another kid in the wall', was another dahl classic. with 'cta' (to ac/dc's 'tnt') he turned to city politics. there were others. i just don't remember. (i wonder if i still have all those singles...) kurtg FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: insane coho lip army Date: 19 Apr 2001 16:40:48 -0400 (EDT) >> "My Sharona," which was common enough currency >> that Weird Al Yankovic did a send-up, "My Bologna" >And don't forget "Ay-ay-ay-ay-Ayatolla," the immortal >soundtrack to the Iran hostage crisis. Who did *that* take-off? >I don't think I ever knew. "you know you got a real nice beard a real nice beard you know it really caught-a my eye-atollah. but you know your mind is weird your mind is weird you really are a nutty kind of guy-atollah" that would be steve dahl, chicago wlup dj, who also did the rod stewart send-up 'do ya think i'm disco' and blew up 1000s of disco records at wrigley field. his tribute to john wayne gacey, 'another kid in the wall', was another dahl classic. with 'cta' (to ac/dc's 'tnt') he turned to city politics. there were others. i just don't remember. (i wonder if i still have all those singles...) kurtg FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F3nar_Festival_2001?= Date: 19 Apr 2001 22:59:34 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C0C924.66A0E540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone! Since I read some time ago about the Sonar Festival in Barcelona in the = list, here go some of the confirmed artists for this year's edition (if = anybody's crazy enough to travel to Spain):=20 More than worthwhile: Sonic Youth; Terry Riley Maybe interesting??: Amon Tobim For those who care about club DJ's: Carl Cox, Laurent Garnier, Jeff = Mills There's no further info available so far or worthwhile enough to = mention. Thanks God about SY - probably an improv show- and Riley, but = the rest of the line-up doesn't seem too promising. Greetings, Efr=E9n del Valle ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C0C924.66A0E540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone!
 
Since I read some time ago about the Sonar Festival = in=20 Barcelona in the list, here go some of the confirmed artists for this = year's=20 edition (if anybody's crazy enough to travel to Spain):
 
More than worthwhile:  Sonic Youth; = Terry=20 Riley
Maybe interesting??: Amon Tobim
For those who care about club DJ's: Carl Cox, = Laurent=20 Garnier, Jeff Mills
 
There's no further info available so = far or=20 worthwhile enough to mention. Thanks God about SY - probably an improv = show- and=20 Riley, but the rest of the line-up doesn't seem too = promising.
 
Greetings,
 
Efrén del Valle
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C0C924.66A0E540-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Mills Subject: Re: new John Oswald Date: 19 Apr 2001 14:21:52 -0700 You can supposedly pre-order it on Amazon ( it's listed as "69 Plunderphonics 96") for $23.72. They don't list a release date. Fishy, that. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: new John Oswald Date: 19 Apr 2001 17:26:58 -0400 Thanks for the tip. You can find out how to order the box here: http://www.negativland.com/nmol/seeland.html It's going for $33.33 U.S., $36.36 Canada, and $39.39 in the rest of the world. Gotta order that sucker quick... my cassette dub of 'Plunderphonics' is gonna wear out sooner or later... After reading Oswald's statement and seeing this drastically lower price, anyone get the feeling this "authorized theft" from "Fony" records might have been a little more than just authorized? ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - New York Contemporary Five, "Where Poppies Bloom," 'Bill Dixon/Archie Shepp' (Savoy) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Scott Handley --- wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > After hearing about the impending release of > Oswald's "Plunderphonic 69/96" it has now shown up > on the new WFMU playlist. However, I can't find it > listed in the usual mailorder sources. Anybody know > when it might turn up and more importantly how much > it'll cost? I'm not sure what good it does one to have one's work "stolen" in complicity, except perhaps Seeland's lawyers are top-notch. This came through a while back on the plunderphonics group (a yahoogroup, for those interested). It's actually great news, though it doesn't really answer Lang's question. Maybe try Seeland mail order? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: S=?ISO-8859-1?B?8w==?=nar Festival 2001 Date: 19 Apr 2001 23:29:51 +0200 Hi all, At this year's Holland Festival (http://www.hollandfestival.nl/), Sonic Youth will give a concert with their Goodbye 20th Century repertoire. Jeroen > More than worthwhile: Sonic Youth; Terry Riley Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Date: 19 Apr 2001 19:13:49 -0400 > If I still owned anything by the Thompson Twins - and I do consider it from > time to time - then it would definitely qualify as a guilty pleasure. Same > with Culture Club (who I didn't have to drive nearly as far to see live). Yes!!! I *loved* Culture Club (and still do in fact.) I used to run around the house with a scarf on my head singing "Karma Chameleon" (sp. for sure.) I found the lp a few years ago at a record sale and it frequents my record player more often then I admit. I *so* wanted to be Boy George when I was younger. I still do, but w/out all the coke. I'm also a not-so-devoted G'n'R fan. Nirav -- AIM: Icefactory37 OnNow- Coil- Black Light District (1000 Lights in a Darkned Room) "Undocumented recollections are rarely disappointing." -Derek Bailey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad Subject: Re: Distances driven to concerts Date: 19 Apr 2001 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Almost willing to hop a flight from SF to NYC to see Bloedow/Charles (Elysian Fields) tonight at Makor. They'll probably never play here. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OnionPalac@aol.com Subject: Company @ Tonic Date: 19 Apr 2001 20:20:41 EDT --part1_d8.515d162.2810dad9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any word on this? Thanks. Chow, Marcus --part1_d8.515d162.2810dad9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any word on this?
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--part1_d8.515d162.2810dad9_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Company @ Tonic Date: 19 Apr 2001 20:29:33 -0400 Well, not quite "Company" but I did catch IST the other night--Simon Fell (bass), Mark Wastell (cello) and Rhodri Davies (harp) and they are one pretty amazing group. All the pieces played were, I believe, improvisations. I don't want to get too much into their technical doings at the expense of their fine overall conception, but....just when you think you've seen every possible extended technique someone like Wastell comes along and with the fingers of his left hand pressed hard into the strings, he bows his own damn fingers! Ouch! All three exhibited awe-inspiring technical range, great listening abilities and a real nice sense of compositional structure. Davies (using a smaller, borrowed harp --couldn't get his regular ax into the country) is all over the place on the instrument, using bows, mallets, styrofoam eggs, corks, tambourines and much more. Fell, who also on occasion would use his head and ear as a damper on the strings, has a deep, rich tone and an unerring sense of direction in the improvs, cutting things short when they felt too comfortable and prolonging stretches the listener thought, wrongly, void of further riches. Wonderful show Bailey opened the evening in duo with tap dancer Will Gaines. It was OK, maybe a bit hokey. Gaines, actually older than Bailey, is an able dancer and, while it was clear that his affinities lay with straighter jazz, seemed to genuinely enjoy "bantering" with Bailey. The highlights were when Gaines would attmept to sit out for a while and Bailey would begin playing straightahead jazz chords to lure him back onto the floor--only, of course, to revert to his normal mode once he had succeeded. Brian Olewnick NP: Jerome Cooper - Outer and Interactions - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: Re: composition, no zorn Date: 19 Apr 2001 19:29:28 -0600 (MDT) This doesn't exactly answer your question... but I would highly recommend HARMONIC EXPERIENCE by W.A. Mathieu. it isn't specifically about composition, but is an incredibly thorough book which deals with listening experience as it relates to different types of harmony/temperments/musical systems. It is the most impressive book that i've ever seen on that subject, because of its approach and its depth. it can lead you to hear completely new things in music... and therefore would be helpful for composition. Matt Plummer Coalition for Creative Music On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > This might be a question best suited for a list with a different title, but i > know there are some composers on the list who could answer. > so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a > composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and > modern composition? > the books i am looking for need not be under any specific banner, or only > dealing with modern creative music. i am just interested in what people > assume to be THE most essential books on composition/theory/harmony etc. > > if this will clutter the list, send the reply privately. > > thanks, > ben > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20S=F3nar=20Festival=202001?= Date: 19 Apr 2001 22:51:05 EDT amon tobin aka cujo? mr "what if dance hall drum n bass followed jazz improvisational, formulaic and instrumentational laws?" ive heard good stuff about him what else do we know? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Guilty Choices Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:54:39 +0200 I'll put something quite rare, but really strong ;-) - John Lord's solo albums. I do not listen to them anymore, but in my teens I used to see 'Sarabande' as Beauty and 'windows' as Adventure. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Odp:_S=F3nar_Festival_2001?= Date: 20 Apr 2001 11:50:04 +0200 > amon tobin aka cujo? mr "what if dance hall drum n bass followed jazz > improvisational, formulaic and instrumentational laws?" > ive heard good stuff about him A friend of mine is a big d'n'b fan, and he plays me those things quite often. I can't say for sure which one of them Amon Tobim was, but I'm pretty sure that he was one of those by whom I was most impressed. Marcin Gokieli - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theus Subject: Re: Odp: Sónar Festival 2001 Date: 20 Apr 2001 14:31:12 +0200 amon tobin: usually he is just dj-ing, mostly playing his own records and other ninja tune stuff. some of his records are excellent, but what 's the point playing your own records for an eager audience and call it a live show? so: does anyone know if he really plays his stuff 'live' sometimes? and: will he do so at Sonar? Theus - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fred fred Subject: Vancouver/Victoria new & experimental music list Date: 20 Apr 2001 09:34:17 -0700 (PDT) * The oscillations monthly calendar is a comprehensive calendar covering new music and sonic art events in the Vancouver and Victoria area. It is compiled by Jordan Nobles, sponsored by Vancouver New Music (www.newmusic.org) and is released monthly through the Vancouver Contemporary Music Email List. If you wish to be added to this email list just visit the online version of the oscillations calendar, hosted by earsay productions, at http://earsay.com/Pages/resources/calendar.html and subscribe with the link there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Odp: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F3nar?= Festival 2001 Date: 20 Apr 2001 10:38:09 -0700 At 11:50 AM 4/20/01, Marcin Gokieli wrote: >From: > >> amon tobin aka cujo? mr "what if dance hall drum n bass followed >jazz >> improvisational, formulaic and instrumentational laws?" >> ive heard good stuff about him > >A friend of mine is a big d'n'b fan, and he plays me those things >quite often. I can't say for sure which one of them Amon Tobim was, >but I'm pretty sure that he was one of those by whom I was most >impressed. >Marcin Gokieli > All of Tobin's solo discs (I believe he has 3) plus the disc he did under the name Cujo are extremely worthwhile. I know a few jazz drummers that I've tried to get interested in drum 'n bass, and Tobin is the only artist that regularly makes them take notice. However, I believe the original poster was taking about a live performance. I saw Tobin DJ-ing a few years back, and it was pretty thoroughly underwhelming. Hopefully, he's gotten better. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: RE: new John Oswald Date: 20 Apr 2001 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) --- s.HANDLEY : > I'm not sure what good it does one to have one's > work > "stolen" in complicity, except perhaps Seeland's > lawyers are top-notch. --- Steve Smith wrote: > After reading Oswald's statement and seeing this > drastically lower price, > anyone get the feeling this "authorized theft" from > "Fony" records might > have been a little more than just authorized? ;-) Certainly, schizo-marketing at its most subversive. BUT....any constraints applied to Oswald's (self) publication of the PLUNDERPHONICS materials would also apply to Seeland, no? Doesn't this clever move just shift the liability to Seeland, thereby endangering all its operations? (As opposed to Oswald, who as far as I can tell, releases hardly anything?) Of course, I'm thrilled that's unfolding this way; but I'm curious how this "theft" would help. I could see Oswald being entitled to sue over his stolen intellectual property, then collecting a large settlement, then Seeland beginning to receive large checks from an "anonymous" donor. How rich! Mise en abyme! ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HirakeMike Subject: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Date: 20 Apr 2001 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) I was just browsing the Seeland site and came across the cd "Deconstructing Beck". After reading a few articles about it, it's been mentioned that this cd is "impossible to find", "no record stores would want to carry it"...Though contrary to these facts, I stared at this cd for a few minutes, wondering what it was, at my local Borders store. That was a few months ago so I don't know if its still there...Anyone heard this?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Date: 20 Apr 2001 12:17:51 -0700 On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) HirakeMike wrote: > > I was just browsing the Seeland site and came across > the cd "Deconstructing Beck". After reading a few > articles about it, it's been mentioned that this cd is > "impossible to find", "no record stores would want to > carry it"...Though contrary to these facts, I stared > at this cd for a few minutes, wondering what it was, > at my local Borders store. That was a few months ago > so I don't know if its still there...Anyone heard this?? I have seen also the records in many stores. The "impossible to find" is just wishful thinking. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Date: 20 Apr 2001 16:26:00 -0400 >"no record stores would want to carry it"... The key word is probably "want" though obviously some stores do, most would not. I've seen this sold on eBay a few times with big notices about how it was suppressed by Beck (not true) and withdrawn from sale (not true either). But then many eBay sellers can have a dubious relationship with truth. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Date: 20 Apr 2001 16:47:41 EDT FWIW, although I haven't listened to it in years, I recall Deconstructing Beck as being much more interesting in concept than reality. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad Subject: Re: Seeland/Deconstructing Beck Date: 20 Apr 2001 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > FWIW, although I haven't listened to it in years, I recall Deconstructing > Beck as being much more interesting in concept than reality. > That seems to be how the Geffen attorneys felt also. The rtmark pages show an interesting story of how this appeared to have been a dud of a provocation, with letters back and forth from attorney's and advisors and the Illegal Arts/Negativland people. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Upcoming Tzadik releases Date: 20 Apr 2001 23:19:12 -0400 Hi, Gang: In my incredibly long, tedious and self-induglent review of night one of Company in New York (which for some reason, perhaps gratefully, hasn't been forwarded by the server), I mentioned that I'd picked up a new Tzadik catalog and would mention the new upcoming releases mentioned therein. No additional information was given for any of these but the very last one, just a list of names on the back cover. The last one, however, appeared with cover art and a blurb in the regular section of the catalog. Here goes... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "In the Court of the Crimson King," 'The Court of the Crimson King' (Virgin) COMPOSER SERIES Gordon Mumma Christian Wolff Alvin Singleton Peter Garland John Zorn RADICAL JEWISH CULTURE Sephardic Tinge Roberto Rodriguez Jewlia Eisenberg Andy Statman Jenny Scheinman NEW JAPAN Yuka Honda Hikashu Otomo Yoshihide Tamura Aki Fushitsusha Yamamoto Atsunori ARCHIVAL SERIES Cobra Bosch/Beuys Filmworks X ORACLES Xtatica Rebecca Moore Carla Kihlstedt Ikue Mori Susie Ibarra KEY SERIES Fred Frith: Clearing (Tzadik 7605) Fred Frith is one of the world's greatest originals on the guitar, a composer/performer who has been straddling the boundaries of rock, folk, classical and improvisation since the early '70s. 'Clearing' is his first solo guitar recording in over twenty years (since his classic 'Live in Japan' of 1981), and his first solo studio recording since his groundbreaking 'Guitar Solos' of 1974. Of the three existing solo recordings by this quirky musical master, 'Clearing' is undoubtedly the most dynamic, the most direct and sonically the best recorded. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: FESTIVAL Date: 20 Apr 2001 23:30:57 -0400 Hi again, gang: Got this message earlier today from Matrin Davidson at Emanem. Looks to be a great festival, with highlights including the London Improvisers Orchestra, Evan Parker & John Tilbury, and much more. Best of all, as you can see, there's a BBC webcast involved, which will be available for the next year if I remember correctly. Check it out. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "Cadence and Cascade," 'In the Wake of Poseidon' (Virgin) -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:07 PM For exciting festival news see http://www.emanemdisc.com/festival.html Even if you can't get to London, you'll be able to hear and see most of it on the web. Hope to see you there Martin Davidson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Amon Tobin (was: Re: Odp: Sónar Festival 2001) Date: 21 Apr 2001 08:39:37 +0200 Dave Trenkel wrote: > I saw Tobin DJ-ing a few years > back, and it was pretty thoroughly underwhelming. Hopefully, he's gotten > better. I read an interview with Tobin some time ago - he said that he doesn't consider himself a technically good DJ. Said he's not even interested in becoming good at it. He feels that what's important is the programming of his DJ sets; and he said that he considers himself pretty good in that field. (On another list I've subscribed to - for DJs - that's the point of discussion currently: technically good DJ vs. DJ who knows how to programme his sets.) patRice np: The Melvins, The Maggot nr: Various, Japanese Tattoo Artist Horiyoshi's World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Maruo Suehiro Date: 21 Apr 2001 08:54:10 +0200 Hi y'all... Has anyone ever seen one of the books available by Maruo Suehiro? (The guy who made the illustrations used inside the Naked City Elektra debut CD booklet.) Comments would be very much appreciated. patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Mairn" Subject: RE: Maruo Suehiro Date: 21 Apr 2001 11:09:15 -0400 I have 'Mr. Arashi's Amazing Freak Show' by Suehiro Maruo. Basically, it is about a lost orphan girl who decides to travel with a freak show. The graphic novel is in black and white and has its surreal and violent qualities, which everyone is probably familiar with. However, there are some fairly beautiful scenes as well. The characters are certainly unique. For instance, the story introduces the human worm, Kanabun the boy-girl, Hohichi the human pretzel, the snake woman etc. etc. It is definitely worth checking out! Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of patRice Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:54 AM Hi y'all... Has anyone ever seen one of the books available by Maruo Suehiro? (The guy who made the illustrations used inside the Naked City Elektra debut CD booklet.) Comments would be very much appreciated. patRice - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Maruo Suehiro Date: 21 Apr 2001 17:53:16 +0200 Hi Chad... Thanks a lot for your comment. I think you convinced me to order a copy. Recently I also discovered another Japanese illustrator/painter, named Toshio Saeki. Very good stuff, but his first two books are no longer published. Can only be found on Bookfinder - at rather high prices. :-( patRice np: Naked City, Naked City nr: s.f.a Chad Mairn wrote: > > I have 'Mr. Arashi's Amazing Freak Show' by Suehiro Maruo. Basically, it is > about a lost orphan girl who decides to travel with a freak show. The > graphic novel is in black and white and has its surreal and violent > qualities, which everyone is probably familiar with. However, > there are some fairly beautiful scenes as well. > > The characters are certainly unique. For instance, the story introduces the > human worm, Kanabun the boy-girl, Hohichi the human pretzel, the snake woman > etc. etc. It is definitely worth checking out! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Suehiro Maruo Date: 21 Apr 2001 11:23:45 -0700 Whenever I go to Japan I try to pick up his mangas (Japanese comic books). I think his work is fantastic. They are sort of a combination of retro Japan (20's era), pornography with a big Georges Bataille aesthetic thrown in. As far as I know there is only one title in English, but still it is worth picking up the Japanese books because they are so beautiful. I am kind of surprise that there is not a big cult for him in the West. Also an additional 'cultural' note about Maruo's work - some of the models used in his stories/images are actual Japanese showbiz figures from the Twenties and Thirties. So there is that aspect of Japanese pop culture that is missing in the translation. The comics in Japan are only about $18.00 (well worth it). I wonder if there is a store in the U.S. that carries them? -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Suehiro Maruo Date: 21 Apr 2001 15:26:17 EDT --part1_f.131d1548.281338d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been able to order quite a few through Kino Kinea here in New York. Usually $20 bucks a pop, and a bargain. Amazing work. --part1_f.131d1548.281338d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been able to order quite a few through Kino Kinea here in New York.
Usually $20 bucks a pop, and a bargain. Amazing work. --part1_f.131d1548.281338d9_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Zornheads Date: 21 Apr 2001 23:27:45 EDT In a message dated 4/19/01 3:53:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DvdBelkin@aol.com writes: > How's the Book of Heads? You know, the Zorn guitar etudes played by Ribot. Anybody? David np: Epiphany by Company - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: accents and sounds Date: 22 Apr 2001 10:57:14 +0200 .> >(And > > Francesco, if you're out there reading this, how am I going to identify you > > at Tonic this week?) I didnt read it - I was at Tonic only for the Thursday gig though. I met Brandon Evans, Bruce Gallanter, saw Kevin Norton, Bruce Eisenbeil, Mark Dresser, Steve Dalachinsky, besides the musicians and the Master of Ceremonies of course. > Steve, look for the guy who looks just like Lopez but speaks with a > charming Italian accent! Thanks - I had mixed reviews, so to speak, about that in my recent trip. Of course when someone mentions it I tend to become self conscious and it gets worse. Or maybe in an American speaking context it does sound different. NP - Pat Martino, the recent reissue of Live! and Consciousness on 32 Jazz. That's what a week in Philly does.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: book of heads Date: 22 Apr 2001 12:34:42 -0000 >How's the Book of Heads? Essential. I would call it a classic. Probably the most revolutionary and original thing Zorn has ever done. Ribot's playing is unbelievable as well. Not easy listening though. Very chaotic. If you can get the full score, do so, and follow it while listening. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Upcoming Tzadik releases Date: 21 Apr 2001 12:48:09 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > Filmworks X Anyone has any more precise info? Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: G- Force? G- team? Date: 22 Apr 2001 18:17:39 +0200 Hi, Anyone remembers a japanese cartoon called G-force or G - team (it was called 'zaloga g' in Poland)? A kind of super cheesy sf cartoon about a group of brave people fighting the evil Zoltar? A friend of mine wants to cover the music from that glorious movie, it was a classic in Polnd some 20 years ago... maybe the first such thing here. If anyone could help in finding the tune, i'd be extremely grateful. PS: I sent this message from another account, so two copies of it may arrive on the list. But it's VERY important ;-) Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Mao's Moon Date: 22 Apr 2001 17:49:44 -0000 Well, here in Canada, where it appears to be a (thought) crime to sell John Zorn CDs, I managed to find a copy of 'The Gift', oddly enough at a classical music speciality shop, on the first day I started working there as the jazz/world music buyer. However, listening to the haunting 'Mao's Moon' (track 6) with its gorgeous Dave Douglas trumpet solo, I can't help but think that I've heard this theme somewhere before, even though it is credited to Mr. Zorn. Anyone else notice this? Any ideas where that theme originates? np: The Gift (but I promise I won't look at the pictures!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: unwrapping the gift Date: 22 Apr 2001 22:33:12 +0200 Zorn-agains, I've unwrapped the Gift and somehow succeeded to not interpret the pictures in a bad way. But still, that picture with the beaten girl with the eye bandage with hands all over. How do the 'yeah'-sayers deal with this one ? greetings, Rob @ risk np: a 1000 evenings - Dave Douglas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: konrad Subject: Re: Upcoming Tzadik releases Date: 22 Apr 2001 21:48:00 -0400 (EDT) > > RADICAL JEWISH CULTURE > Jewlia Eisenberg I believe this will be the a capella version of the band Charming Hostess, Jewlia accompanied by Carla Kihlstedt and Nina Rolle. They're from Oakland and also play as a larger ensemble with guys backing them who used to be in the Oakland art/punk band Idiot Flesh. One time this lineup played a gigue where Frith joined them for a half a set, and they even performed some Art Bears songs. > ARCHIVAL SERIES > Bosch/Beuys Does anyone know anything about this Beuys one? Are we talking Heironymus Bosch here or the tool company? > ORACLES > Carla Kihlstedt This i suspect will be Carla's solo violin and voice songs. She's pretty incredible, and if you live in the Bay Area you can see her play pretty often. You may know her from Tin Hat Trio fame. konrad ^Z - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: disc review and a Lounge Lizard experience... Date: 23 Apr 2001 09:13:11 +0100 (WET DST) Hi Z-people! One disc and one weird concert: 1st, the disc: Mao Morta is a portuguese group who carved a niche on rock-underground world here, using their work to express a political statement (to the music, this is unimportant as far i'm concerned). Their last disc, "Primavera de Destrocos" ("spring of wreckage" in a free translation) is out. I thought on given it a light review for the list, maybe some of you would be interested in listening to it (and i would be very interested in knowing your opinion, especially because i doubt you understand portuguese and so are not influenced by lyrics): # Mao Morta, "Primavera de Destrocos", EMI/Valentin de Carvalho: The disc uses a lot of guitar riff, simple figures to accentuate the declamation of the vocal lider, Adolfo Luxuria Canibal. It's interesting this use, like a companion in his "singing" (like walking) or to give emphasis to his silence. Canibal's voice is deep, going in grave tones, it sometimes remembers me of Sepultura vocalist (first song) although i can understand all he says :). He doesn't sings but you can rather compare this to a spoken word with music. Although i make some association with Trent Reznor's NiN it's only a slight feeling in some of the songs (the first basically) due to the evolution of expressed feelings (Downward spiral). The lyrics (and so the "reading"), goes through some pain, rage, the silent kind, growing up, exploding or dying away but the motives (musical and lyrics) are particular to the group. They used some oriental motives, tibetan like, on one of the songs (3, "tu disseste") and a cricket singing sampler, and, on the background of another (4, "penso o que penso") use some ambient motives, like water running (read it was a sampling of water drums), for instance. On the song "Humano" a sampler of W.S.Bourrougs reading "Bradley the buyer" is used to a good effect, responding with a question to the Canibal's musings. This song also has an effective use of strings through the use of sampling. Another, homage to a portuguese author's book (Mario Henrique Letria "Tales of the Tonic-Gin") obeys to a cabaret style evolution. Another instruments that appear in some songs (through sampling or direct playing): bass, drums, hammond, sax, vibraphone, piano, trumpet, whistle, water drums, violin, berimbau...) Oh, yeah... I started this afternoon (i'm writing this the 22th) thinking that I should write a review of John Lourie and the Lounge Lizards concert here at Lisbon. Then i realised that the concert is only in late June and i've dreamt it this night... gurk, someone has been pouring things on my food... greets, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 23 Apr 2001 03:56:39 -0700 (PDT) I've always wondered why the score wasn't included with this. Sure, there's a little but it's barely legible. Anybody know where to get the score? >>How's the Book of Heads? >Essential. I would call it a classic. Probably the most revolutionary and >original thing Zorn has ever done. Ribot's playing is unbelievable as well. >Not easy listening though. Very chaotic. If you can get the full score, do >so, and follow it while listening. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "& c." Subject: Pharmacopia Date: 23 Apr 2001 09:35:50 -0400 Has any one else recieved an email from a band called Pharmacopia? I don't know how I got on their mailing list. I wonder if this is connected with the list on any one on it. Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Beardsley Subject: The Well-Tuned Piano DVD Date: 23 Apr 2001 10:38:26 -0400 Some folks here might be interested: The Well-Tuned Piano in The Magenta Lights DVD Installation Opens in Germany and Just Dreams Announces Release of La Monte Young / Marian Zazeela DVD of The Well-Tuned Piano in The Magenta Lights http://lamonteyoung.com -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * hint hint ---> http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 23 Apr 2001 15:27:12 -0000 >From: Andy Marks > >>How's the Book of Heads? > > >Essential. I would call it a classic. Probably the >most revolutionary and original thing Zorn has ever done. Ribot's playing >is unbelievable as well. Well, I beg to differ on this one, I found it boring and predictable, Ribot's attempt at 'outside' guitar playing is too derivative of Fred Frith... np:Burnt Friedman Con Ritmo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 23 Apr 2001 17:35:12 +0200 thomas chatterton wrote: > >From: Andy Marks > > > >>How's the Book of Heads? > > > > >Essential. I would call it a classic. Probably the > >most revolutionary and original thing Zorn has ever done. Ribot's playing > >is unbelievable as well. > > Well, I beg to differ on this one, I found it boring and predictable, > Ribot's attempt at 'outside' guitar playing is too derivative of Fred > Frith... So it's Zorn who's to "blame" really, isn't it? I mean - he wrote all the pieces... Wasn't "The Book of Heads" also originally written for some other guitar player? patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Fantomas - live in Europe Date: 23 Apr 2001 18:06:03 +0200 Hi ther... Thought some of you might be interested: Looks as if FANTOMAS will be touring Europe in July. I'll definitely go check them out... patRice np: Depeche Mode, 101 nr: Eiji Yoshikawa, Taiko - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 23 Apr 2001 17:03:48 -0000 >From: patRice > >So it's Zorn who's to "blame" really, isn't it? >I mean - he wrote all the pieces... > Interesting point...not being familiar with the parameters of the score, I am unable to discern how much the performer brings into this work...in any case, no blame! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 23 Apr 2001 19:08:30 +0200 thomas chatterton wrote: > > >From: patRice > > > >So it's Zorn who's to "blame" really, isn't it? > >I mean - he wrote all the pieces... > > > > Interesting point...not being familiar with the parameters of the score, I > am unable to discern how much the performer brings into this work...in any > case, no blame! Well - I don't know neither. But as far as I remember, most of it is rather clearly written out. Somebody else might know better...?! patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Zorn's "Songs for the Hemetic Theatre" Date: 23 Apr 2001 17:34:20 EDT Anyone have any information on this upcoming release? from, matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DKuper9200@aol.com Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 23 Apr 2001 23:24:13 EDT It's published by Carl Fischer: http://www.carlfischer.com/ I hope this helps. I count myself among those who like this recording. I may consider getting the score some day. Yours truly, David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Plummer Subject: Michael Cain (fwd) Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:12:02 -0600 (MDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Coalition for Creative Music presents... MICHAEL CAIN, solo jazz piano In Concert: Friday, April 27th, 8:00 PM Location: Grace Lutheran Church 13th and Euclid, Boulder Admission: $5 (CU students are free w/ID) Clinic: Sat, April 28 11:00 AM (free) c-199, Imig Music, CU-Boulder campus Call the Coalition Hotline @ 303.735.3163 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Book of Heads Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:19:37 +0200 >From: patRice > >So it's Zorn who's to "blame" really, isn't it? >I mean - he wrote all the pieces... >Wasn't "The Book of Heads" also originally written for some other guitar >player? it was originally written for Eugene Chadbourne around 20 years ago. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: Fantomas - live in Europe Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:29:16 +0200 Well - I only know they'll be playing in Austria on 5 July. Maybe someone knows their website's URL? (If they have one...) patRice np: Pantera, Far Beyond Driven nr: Various, Horiyoshi's World Theus wrote: > Any news on dates, cities, etc. > Thanks, Theus. > > At 06:06 PM 4/23/2001 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi ther... > > > >Thought some of you might be interested: > > > >Looks as if FANTOMAS will be touring Europe in July. > >I'll definitely go check them out... > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Naftule's Dream Live? Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:30:50 +0200 Hi there... Has anyone from the list ever seen Naftule's Dream live? If yes: recommendable? Or not? They're playing Switzerland this coming Thursday - and I thought maybe I should check them out... Thanks for your comments. patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Naftule's Dream Live? Date: 25 Apr 2001 01:54:48 -0700 > Hi there... > > Has anyone from the list ever seen Naftule's Dream live? > > If yes: recommendable? Or not? > > They're playing Switzerland this coming Thursday - and I thought maybe I > should check them out... > > Thanks for your comments. > > patRice > > > - > I saw them open for Uri in December of, I think, 98, and they were really good. The trombone player -- was it David Harris? -- was especially formidable. My suggestion -- GO. Then again, I live in LA, where that type of thing is so infrquent that my fiancee and I are about to drive about 4 hrs to San Luis Obispo to see Don Byron play BUG MUSIC, so I'm not as selective about such matters as I was when I lived in Philly. Desparate, yes. Selective, hardly. Skip H np: Thelonious Monk, Criss Cross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Naftule's Dream Live? Date: 24 Apr 2001 11:02:16 +0200 >From: patRice > >Has anyone from the list ever seen Naftule's Dream live? > >If yes: recommendable? Or not? > >They're playing Switzerland this coming Thursday - and I thought maybe I >should check them out... > >Thanks for your comments. Hi patRice, I´ve seen them last year and they are strongly recommendable. The only problem were some traditional klezmer fans who were repeated calling for turning down - obviously misinformed what to expect. Now you know what they are NOT doing and go see it - it´s a pleasure! Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Fantomas - live in Europe Date: 24 Apr 2001 11:09:45 +0200 the tour can be seen at http://home.collegeclub.com/retrovertigo/ Andreas np: Hamid Drake/Joe McPhee - Emancipation Proclamation (Okka) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Book of Heads Date: 24 Apr 2001 11:51:01 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > So it's Zorn who's to "blame" really, isn't it? > I mean - he wrote all the pieces... > Wasn't "The Book of Heads" also originally written for some other guitar > player? I have the impressio that it was written for Chadbourne Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: Re: Gee Force Date: 24 Apr 2001 06:57:43 -0400 Hi All, I believe the cartoon your looking for is called "Battle of the Planets", where everybody has their own scooter that can transform into a mini-phoenix, and then when all the scooters are on the mothership they can transform into "full fiery phoenix"? Where 'everyone' includes people like Cheops, Tiny, Jason and Princess. Where they eventually discover that Zoltar (deep in the Crab Nebula) is a woman? Try napster under "Battle Of The Planets". As a kid I always called it "G-Force" anyway (the name of the team)... Peace >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:17:39 +0200 >From: "Marcin Gokieli" >Subject: G- Force? G- team? >Hi, >Anyone remembers a japanese cartoon called G-force or G - team (it was >called 'zaloga g' in Poland)? A kind of super cheesy sf cartoon about >a group of brave people fighting the evil Zoltar? >A friend of mine wants to cover the music from that glorious movie, it >was a classic in Polnd some 20 years ago... maybe the first such thing >here. If anyone could help in finding the tune, i'd be extremely >grateful. >PS: I sent this message from another account, so two copies of it may >arrive on the list. But it's VERY important ;-) >Marcin Gokieli >marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl >Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem >you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jmcazurin Subject: Re: Gee Force Date: 24 Apr 2001 19:34:49 +0800 It was called G-Force here too. >I believe the cartoon your looking for is called "Battle of the Planets", >where everybody has their own scooter that can transform into a >mini-phoenix, and then when all the scooters are on the mothership they >can transform into "full fiery phoenix"? Where 'everyone' includes people >like Cheops, Tiny, Jason and Princess. Where they eventually discover that >Zoltar (deep in the Crab Nebula) is a woman? Try napster under "Battle Of >The Planets". As a kid I always called it "G-Force" anyway (the name of >the team)... > >>Hi, >>Anyone remembers a japanese cartoon called G-force or G - team (it was >>called 'zaloga g' in Poland)? A kind of super cheesy sf cartoon about >>a group of brave people fighting the evil Zoltar? >>A friend of mine wants to cover the music from that glorious movie, it >>was a classic in Polnd some 20 years ago... maybe the first such thing >>here. If anyone could help in finding the tune, i'd be extremely >>grateful. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Gee Force Date: 24 Apr 2001 16:55:34 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > I believe the cartoon your looking for is called "Battle of the Planets", > where everybody has their own scooter that can transform into a > mini-phoenix, and then when all the scooters are on the mothership they can > transform into "full fiery phoenix"? Where 'everyone' includes people like Yes, that's the one!It was wonderful... How do you menage to remember all those things? Is it broadcasted somewhere now? Thanks for reminding me of the title 'battle of the planets' - in fact it was called 'wojna planet' in Poland, but everyone called it 'zaloga G'. Transformation, Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "marc elzweig" Subject: Re: Naftule's Dream Live? Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:43:41 -0400 >Has anyone from the list ever seen Naftule's Dream live? > >If yes: recommendable? Or not? > >They're playing Switzerland this coming Thursday - and I thought maybe I >should check them out... i'd say definitely check them out. i've seen them a bunch of times in boston, and they're a personal favorite of mine among the 'post-klezmer' groups. live they're a sight to behold and behear, all excellent players. glenn dickson (clarinet) is fairly monstrous. -marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: the ex sound files Date: 24 Apr 2001 16:53:53 -0000 does anybody know of a webpage were I can listened to excerpts from the new cd by The Ex "DIZZY SPELLS"? I'd like to listen before buying. thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zachary Griffin Subject: The Book of Heads/Suehiro Mauro/Victoriaville Date: 24 Apr 2001 12:53:10 -0400 Book Of Heads: Since I get this in digest form this question might have been answered already and I haven't recieved it yet.  If so I apologize.  To the person who asked if "Book Of Heads" was written for someone other than Marc Ribot.  I believe it was written for Eugene Chadbourne in the late 70's.

Suehiro Mauro: I can't help give more props to this great artist.  Probably one of if not the best comic book/manga artists of our time.  I have one graphic novel (don't ask me the title, it's in japanese).  Judging by the pictures I would say that it is a vampire story.  And it is brutal and berautiful at the same time, just like the Naked City CD jackets, but in black and white.  Even if you don't understand japanese, which I don't, it's worth a look at least.

Victoriaville: I am going this year.  I am visiting Montreal for a couple of days before the festival.  Yes it's the obligitory "anything to do...record store...club...museum" question.  You can write me offlist if you wish.  I will appreciate any information.

Thanks  
Zach Griffin

np: V/A---Bad Sun Rising
nr: Fixed Chao by Han Ong    - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Date: 24 Apr 2001 17:30:32 EDT some quick notes, in between AMM shows... the first Globe Unity Orchestra record has been reissued, on Japanese MPS, available through Dusty Groove (www.dustygroove.com). there's personnel listed at the EFI site, and they include Jaki Leibezeit and Mani Neumaier, for the krautrockers among you. what I'm especially excited about though is that one of the two days of recording was the day I was born. there's an new Haruki Murakami novel out this week, Sputnik Sweetheart. I'll probably post some sort of collected thoughts after all the AMM shows are over, but for now I wanted to mention one thing. they played Sunday night at Dartmouth with Christian Wolff, who taught there for decades and is now retired. they played in a classroom in the bowels of the music building, and there were less than 10 people there, including my friend, myself, and the three people recording it for eventual release on Matchless. it took a little while to get going, but the ending was magical. for the last five minutes, Prevost and Tilbury had stopped playing entirely. Rowe was slowly, slowly, slowly fading his feedback out, and Wolff was quietly whistling to himself. unbelievably riveting stuff. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Date: 24 Apr 2001 14:37:25 -0700 >>>but the ending was magical. for the last five minutes, Prevost and Tilbury had stopped playing entirely. Rowe was slowly, slowly, slowly fading his feedback out, and Wolff was quietly whistling to himself. unbelievably riveting stuff.<<< I just love this quote. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Fantomas - live in Europe Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:57:24 +0200 (CEST) All Fantomas/Bungle/Patton/etc-related info at www.ipecac.com. Greetings, Efrén del VAlle --- patRice escribió: > Fecha: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:29:16 +0200 > De: patRice > Responder a: iqhouse@yahoo.de > Para: Theus , Zornlist > > Asunto: Re: Fantomas - live in Europe > > Well - I only know they'll be playing in Austria on > 5 July. > Maybe someone knows their website's URL? (If they > have one...) > > patRice > > np: Pantera, Far Beyond Driven > nr: Various, Horiyoshi's World > > > > Theus wrote: > > > Any news on dates, cities, etc. > > Thanks, Theus. > > > > At 06:06 PM 4/23/2001 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi ther... > > > > > >Thought some of you might be interested: > > > > > >Looks as if FANTOMAS will be touring Europe in > July. > > >I'll definitely go check them out... > > > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Book of Heads Date: 25 Apr 2001 13:03:02 +0200 (CEST) > > > > Interesting point...not being familiar with the > parameters of the score, I > > am unable to discern how much the performer brings > into this work...in any > > case, no blame! > > Well - I don't know neither. > But as far as I remember, most of it is rather > clearly written out. > Somebody else might know better...?! > > patRice > > - > As I commented on in my sort-of-review of Ribot's solo performance in Barcelona, the repertoire was largerly based on "The Book of Heads". I had the chance to see a video recording of Ribot's sound check for that same concert and he performed a couple of compositions from The Book. In comparison to what we saw/heard later, it was pretty much the same, I would say even "note" by "note" of what I saw in that video. It seems that everything is written, then, although it may seem impossible. Regards, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: new dave douglas + ribot theater Date: 25 Apr 2001 16:21:36 -0000 hello has the new Dave Douglas cd with Brad Jones, Han Bennik and Mischa Mengleberg been released yet? Any comments? and Could anybody comment on the Marc Ribot theater performance "As So Much As Life Is Borrowed"? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Ligeti Date: 25 Apr 2001 16:27:30 -0000 np:Volume I of The Ligeti Project from Teldec New Line is now out (ahead of its scheduled release date). To my ears, the sound quality is noticeably better than the Sony releases, more expansive and detailed, especially in the upper register sound. The first piece, Melodien, is one of his strongest compositions. Great performances here from both the Asko and Schonberg Ensembles. This new label is off to a strong start, there are also releases from Nono (Al gran sole carico d'amore), Sharon Isbin & Matthias Pintscher. Is anyone familiar with the last 2 releases? Comments? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: more knitting factory Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:41:10 -0400 http://villagevoice.com/issues/0117/sotc.shtml Story about the Knit's future and Kramer's lawsuit against it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Henderson Subject: Terry Ex + Han Bennink Date: 25 Apr 2001 11:38:18 -0500 (CDT) Has any one heard the collaboration between Terrie Ex and Han Bennink that was just released on Atavistic? I think that it is called _The Laughing Owl_ and is part of the unheard music series. What is it like? Les Henderson ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: can anybody ID this? Date: 25 Apr 2001 12:47:40 -0400 I've heard parts of this piece twice on the radio but don't know any info (the station hasn't returned any inquiries). It resembles a radio drama with a bit of atmospheric sound/music sometimes in the background. Several voices mostly (all?) women tell bits of their part in the story which has something to do with a secret research facility and an interrogation of some kind. ("Do you think she's lying?" "Of course she's lying.") One of them talks about how she couldn't discuss the work with anybody else and how she was always afraid. This makes it sound a bit silly but what I heard was pretty unnerving. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org Subject: Re: can anybody ID this? Date: 25 Apr 2001 13:09:31 -0400 Miranda July - The Binet-Simon Test 1. Medical wonder / 2. Lena Beamish / 3. I can-Japan / 4. WSNO / 5. The co-star KILL ROCK STARS, 1998. At 12:47 25/04/01 -0400, you wrote: >I've heard parts of this piece twice on the radio but don't know any info >(the station hasn't returned any inquiries). It resembles a radio drama >with a bit of atmospheric sound/music sometimes in the >background. Several voices mostly (all?) women tell bits of their part in >the story - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Terry Ex + Han Bennink Date: 25 Apr 2001 19:12:55 +0200 (CEST) I listened to that record a couple of months ago. As you may suppose, it's about Terrie and Bennink's free improvisations. Although IMHO both are terrific performers, I found their duo a little boring, maybe too slow. Such a tough listen. The sound was good, and I'm sure that The Laughing Owl requires repeated listenings to be appreciated in accordance and I could play it just a couple of times since I borrowed it. Can't provide futher help. Best regards, Efrén del Valle --- Les Henderson escribió: > Fecha: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:38:18 -0500 (CDT) > De: Les Henderson > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: Terry Ex + Han Bennink > > Has any one heard the collaboration between Terrie > Ex and Han Bennink that > was just released on Atavistic? I think that it is > called _The Laughing > Owl_ and is part of the unheard music series. What > is it like? > > Les Henderson > ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alberta Subject: retheex Date: 25 Apr 2001 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) i heard a track off "dizzy spells" on the radio this morning (wfmu, man), and it was quite good. pretty similar to the "starters alternators" stuff. i have "the laughing owl" (terre'n'han), tho not the atavistic reissue, and it's really good. i just bought it at the icp sets last year. is it really that "unheard"? your humble servant, kurt FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: field recording equipment Date: 25 Apr 2001 14:11:06 -0500 Hi all, Don't know if this is the best place to ask but I figure someone can point me in the right direction at least. Anyone know about recording devices suitable for field recordings and them subsequent mixing together. I guess I'm imagining some sort of reasonably good analog or digital recorder and a 4 track mixer or something like that. Any ideas about this or where to start looking for info on this stuff? Thank you for indulging me, Rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Ligeti Date: 25 Apr 2001 15:10:53 -0400 Thomas, you're posting from the UK, aren't you? The reason I ask is because none of Teldec's "New Line" recordings are out in the USA as yet. The Sharon Isbin disc, with guitar concerti by Christopher Rouse and Tan Dun, is out here on May 15, as is a disc by Bang on a Can and Friends titled 'Lost Objects.' That second release will likely prove interesting in that it features the BoaC composers writing for a baroque instrumental ensemble using period instruments, the excellent Concerto Koln, as well as the much-hyped DJ Spooky (remember him?). The Ligeti release is due here on June 19, along with the Nono and the Pintscher. I haven't heard anything by Pintscher, but he's the newest, hottest young thing out of Germany and already composer in residence at the Cleveland Orchestra. I got advance copies of the Ligeti, Nono and Isbin in the mail today, along with a keen little Ligeti interview disc which includes comments on his pieces, his style (which he dubs "perverse" at one point), Stanley Kubrick and more. I agree with what you say about the quality of the Ligeti recording. The sound is excellent, and I find the recording balance on the Chamber Concerto better than those of Ensemble Intercontemporain on DG and Ensemble Modern on Sony. The harpsichord is not unduly spotlit, for once. The Piano Concerto, with Ligeti's favorite pianist, Pierre-Laurent Aimard, is superb, and the little trumpet concerto Mysteries of the Macabre is a lot of daffy fun. Of course, the thing that should have us all holding our breath is the closing of Teldec's office in Germany by its corporate parent, AOL Time Warner. The label is clearly still active, but without its German repertoire center, I'm somewhat skeptical that the "New Line" will be seen as an imperative for very long. I'd love to be proven wrong, but in the mean time, if this repertoire is of interest, the discs should be snapped up. Thankfully, if Ligeti's any indication, they're worth it. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Christopher Rouse, 'Concert de Gaudi,' Sharon Isbin, Gulbenkian Orch/Tang (Teldec) ... which is so far a silly po-mo Rodrigo pastiche... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: field recording equipment Date: 25 Apr 2001 21:16:21 +0200 I can tell you how I organized myself: after looking at different technologies (minidisc, DAT, CDR) I settled for DAT at it gives in my opinion the better quality and the option to a quick, hassle-free transfer to Cd for ease of reference and conservation. Among the DAT machines, I choose the Tascam (Teac professional division) DA-P1 as I do not think the cheap small stereo jack connection to microphones available in the Sony machines does justice to the format; Tascam connects with XLR pro connectors. As for microphones, I have a couple of Shure to be used if the concert is in my hometown or nearby; for traveling I just bought a couple of the recommended Core Sound (Teaneck) stealth microphones, very handy - you can clip them on a music stand for example. They need their battery unit to operate well; I have the medium range model, they have a cheap type that sells for 75 dollars and the top sells for one thousand. (the recorder, which doubles as a first class home DAT, costs between 1.300 and 1500 dollars). This way there's no mixing option, but I havent heard of any field recording mad on 4 channels. Francesco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: Ligeti Date: 26 Apr 2001 02:24:27 -0000 >From: "Steve Smith" >Thomas, you're posting from the UK, aren't you? > No, I'm in Canada. And the Sharon Isbin disc showed up at our shop today...are there other works of Pintscher available? sp:Ligeti Project I nr: Neal Stephenson Cryptonomicon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: zorn scores Date: 25 Apr 2001 22:24:19 EDT hey, awhile ago, i was considering buying some of zorn's scores, but the prices were a little steep considering i'm a poor high school student. anyway, i figured the quotes might be interesting to you all, considering we were talking about "the book of head"s and all. Memento Mori: $65 Untitled: $45 The Book of Heads: $110 from, matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Pintscher (was RE: Ligeti) Date: 25 Apr 2001 23:14:31 -0400 Yes, there's a disc of Pintscher's music on the Kairos label. It includes part of his opera 'Thomas Chatterton,' which was evidently highly acclaimed and comes out of a Berg-style expressionist idiom, plus the Five Orchestral Pieces, about which an overwhelmingly positive New York Times review still manages to say almost nothing about what the actual music sounds like except little descriptive notes about the ways in which it moves about, and a smaller, shorter work called 'Choc,' after a line by Rimbaud. I note that the single consumer who "reviewed" this at Amazon gave it only one star, stating, "You have to love the likes of Cage, Ligeti, Webern etc to like this music." Well, that sounds like a recommendation to me... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002DDUG/qid=988254380/sr=1-2/ref=s c_m_3/107-3117655-5999701 There's also some record company puffery about Pintscher and the upcoming disc at http://www.warnerclassics.com/teldec/newline/pintscher.html (If you keep digging around from there, you'll find information about the other four "New Line" releases. No sound samples as yet, though.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (who found the Isbin disc intermittently entertaining, sometimes very much so, but mostly derivative on first listen... and this as a major fan of Chris Rouse's music, less so Tan Dun's recent work...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Date: 25 Apr 2001 23:24:49 -0400 Just picked up the new Murakami tonight - thanks for the heads up. I finally read his 'South of the Border, West of the Sun' last week, and even if it's not considered his best, it made me want to read more. You'll also want to note that Murakami's first non-fiction book is due out any time now as well, according to Time Out New York. It's called 'Undareground,' and it deals with the aftermath of the Aum Shinrikyo sarin nerve gas attack on the Japanese subway system in 1995. The reviewer in Time Out liked it a lot. It seems to have gone straight to paperback, and while Time Out said it would be coming in May, Amazon seems to say that it came out two weeks ago. Adding to the confusion, there's a reader review from February - maybe someone who read it in Japanese? I didn't see it in the bookstore tonight, but then, I wasn't looking in the paperback section. Thanks, too, for the tantalizing description of the AMM/Wolff date. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Murakami typo Date: 25 Apr 2001 23:31:58 -0400 What a nasty typo THAT was! Of course, the name of Murakami's new non-fiction book is 'Underground.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Date: 25 Apr 2001 23:40:12 EDT In a message dated 4/25/01 11:28:40 PM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << You'll also want to note that Murakami's first non-fiction book is due out any time now as well, according to Time Out New York. It's called 'Undareground,' and it deals with the aftermath of the Aum Shinrikyo sarin nerve gas attack on the Japanese subway system in 1995. The reviewer in Time Out liked it a lot. It seems to have gone straight to paperback, and while Time Out said it would be coming in May, Amazon seems to say that it came out two weeks ago. Adding to the confusion, there's a reader review from February - maybe someone who read it in Japanese? I didn't see it in the bookstore tonight, but then, I wasn't looking in the paperback section. >> actually, Underground was released in England last year. I ordered it from Amazon UK, along with Norwegian Wood, when neither of them were scheduled for release here. I never made it too far into Underground. Murakami rounded up everyone he could find who was anywhere near the subway system at the time, interviewed them, and printed the results, a Studs Terkel-esque approach. it's interesting for a while, but I found it became repetitive pretty quickly, and I lost interest. the new novel, on the other hand, Sputnik Sweetheart, I inhaled over the course of last night. it's very good; my favorite of his shorter, less ambitious books. <> sure. Brian and I are off to Bard tomorrow afternoon for their last pre-NYC shows. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Date: 25 Apr 2001 21:44:27 -0700 I just finished reading 'Underground' and thought it was interesting. A good snapshot view of Tokyo and its citizens. Murakami I think has done a good job in getting these everyday people describing a day in hell. Actually quite chilling. The weakest part of the book are the interviews with Aum members. > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: minneapolis, usa, may 2-5? Date: 25 Apr 2001 23:56:02 -0500 (CDT) people here seem to know what's going on, musically speaking. I'll be in minneapolis, minnesota, usa, from the 2nd through the night of the 5th, and am wondering if there is any intersting music going on. suggestions regarding local musicians welcome. thanks! whit http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 13:24:19 +0200 Hi all, As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, I'm looking for good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird SUITES. I've got the 'igor stravinsky edition' versions - which are btw excellent - but I'd like to have some newly recorded versions. I did not listen to those seriously until now - but currently I start to dig them intesly. Any ideas? Marcin Gokieli (who starts again to listen to stravinsky 98% of the time) marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 14:44:37 +0200 > Hi all, > As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, I'm looking for > good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird SUITES. I've got > the 'igor stravinsky edition' versions - which are btw excellent - but > I'd like to have some newly recorded versions. I did not listen to > those seriously until now - but currently I start to dig them intesly. There is a new recording of the Firebird suite just released this month on Harmonia Mundi, directed by Josep Pons. It is a performance of the most recent version of this work, and it got very good reviews. I picked it up but haven't listened to it yet. Julien - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "& c." Subject: Jazz Musicians Date: 26 Apr 2001 09:44:53 -0400 I'm working on sociology paper about jazz musicians as a subculture. Hopefully, some one could answer this question off-list: Are there or were there any offenses that would cause a musician to be ostrecized from the mainstream establishment? Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Jazz Musicians Date: 26 Apr 2001 09:44:49 +0000 on 01.04.26 1:44 PM, & c. at parksplace@hotmail.com wrote: > I'm working on sociology paper about jazz musicians as a subculture. > Hopefully, some one could answer this question off-list: Are there or were > there any offenses that would cause a musician to be ostrecized from the > mainstream establishment? Creativity. Self-expression. There's more, but those two will suffice. RL ---------- [All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also : --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : LUCILLE / A Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "& c." Subject: Re: Jazz Musicians Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:08:19 -0400 That's what I thought. Ornette Coleman and Zorn I think would be prime examples? Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Stravinsky & David (R) Date: 26 Apr 2001 11:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Off topic, but: Stanvinsky was reported to have said Richard Davis was his favorite bassist after he worked with him in some NY Phil concerts. Any idea of Mr. D. ever recorded with Mr. S.? Ken Waxman --- Marcin Gokieli wrote: > Hi all, > As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, > I'm looking for > good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird > SUITES. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: The Shell Game Date: 26 Apr 2001 17:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Hi everyone! I don't remember if this has been discussed here before. Anybody heard the Berne/Taborn/Rainey album "The Shell Game" on Thirsty Ear Records? I'd like to order it but some opinions would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, looking forward to the Alasnoaxis concert in Barcelona next Wednesday 2. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 08:20:09 -0700 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:24:19 +0200 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote: > > Hi all, > As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, I'm looking for > good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird SUITES. I've got Not new, but Dutoit's version of PULCINELLA is fantastic (in fact like almost anything I know conducted by him). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicholas Shortway Subject: Booking info Date: 26 Apr 2001 11:31:06 -0400 Hey everyone, This is my first post to the list, and I too am a BIG Zorn fan. My question is this: Does anyone have or know where I can get information about John's booking agent? The reason I ask is that I am the president of the Jazz Club at Penn State and we are interested in finding out how much the he plays for, when he's available, etc. Any info would be helpful. Thanks Nick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Richard Davis/Igor Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:49:45 -0500 >Off topic, but: > >Stanvinsky was reported to have said Richard Davis was >his favorite bassist after he worked with him in some >NY Phil concerts. Any idea of Mr. D. ever recorded >with Mr. S.? I'm pretty sure that Davis is among the freelancers in the Columbia Symphony Orchestra (I may have the name of this agglomeration wrong) pulled together for some old CBS records. As far as I know there's nothing by Davis as a soloist with Stravinksy, though he may have some exposed parts in some of the orchestral works. -- Herb Levy Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/ mappings@antennaradio.com Mappings P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 18:13:25 +0100 (WET DST) By the way, any recommendations on a good interpertration of "le histoire du soldat"? (sorry for bad spelling). greets, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Jazz Musicians Date: 26 Apr 2001 17:44:50 +0200 ask mr. Anthony Braxton c/o wesleyan U. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 3:44 PM > I'm working on sociology paper about jazz musicians as a subculture. > Hopefully, some one could answer this question off-list: Are there or were > there any offenses that would cause a musician to be ostrecized from the > mainstream establishment? > > Zach > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: In the sack Date: 26 Apr 2001 13:34:54 EDT Anyone know if there's any (U.S.) distribution of the Sackville Collection of Creative Improvised Music Classics reissues, apart from phoning or writing Sackville (which is proving to be a pain in the rear)? Also - here's a dumb question - the Sackville reissue coming out next month, Hemphill's Roi Boye & The Gotham Minstrels (3014/3015) - didn't Screwgun already reisssue that as Blue Boye (Scrwgn 70008)? Or does the latter include different material? I think I knew this at one point, but I just can't dredge anything up from my memory hole. (Too many crashes, definitely too many crashes...) David rp: Company, Epiphany/Epiphanies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Dunne Subject: Zangles Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:35:20 -0700 (PDT) I was listnein to some Masada the other day....and it got me thinkin. I started analysing Zorns style on his sax solos and varius compositions. What I came up with was that he seems to approach whatever genre of music and change the angle. Its like the music starts from a fixed point say 12 o clock and Zorns angle is about 12:35. Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been smokin too much? Gav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: In the sack Date: 26 Apr 2001 14:08:36 -0400 They're two completely different 2LP sets. 'Blue Boye' was earlier and was originally issued on Hemphill's Mbari imprint (with Tim's help). 'Roi Boye' was always on Sackville. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DvdBelkin@aol.com Also - here's a dumb question - the Sackville reissue coming out next month, Hemphill's Roi Boye & The Gotham Minstrels (3014/3015) - didn't Screwgun already reisssue that as Blue Boye (Scrwgn 70008)? Or does the latter include different material? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zangles Date: 26 Apr 2001 11:19:03 -0700 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Gavin Dunne wrote: > > I was listnein to some Masada the other day....and it > got me thinkin. I started analysing Zorns style on his > sax solos and varius compositions. What I came up with > was that he seems to approach whatever genre of music > and change the angle. Its like the music starts from a > fixed point say 12 o clock and Zorns angle is about > 12:35. Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been > smokin too much? Since what you are saying is so vague (at best), I am don't see how we could even start to argue :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Dunne Subject: Zangles Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:35:20 -0700 (PDT) I was listnein to some Masada the other day....and it got me thinkin. I started analysing Zorns style on his sax solos and varius compositions. What I came up with was that he seems to approach whatever genre of music and change the angle. Its like the music starts from a fixed point say 12 o clock and Zorns angle is about 12:35. Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been smokin too much? Gav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: The Shell Game Date: 26 Apr 2001 11:30:41 -0700 At 5:15 PM 4/26/01, efr=E9n del valle wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I don't remember if this has been discussed here >before. >Anybody heard the Berne/Taborn/Rainey album "The Shell >Game" on Thirsty Ear Records? >I'd like to order it but some opinions would be >greatly appreciated. > > I have it and I'm loving it! Typically great Berne tunes, and Craig Taborn in particular sounds great. Does anyone else have any recommendations for Craig Taborn? I have Shell Game, and Carl Craig's Innerzone Orchestra, very different discs that both feature Taborn. Would love to hear more, he's one of the most interesting keyboardists I've heard in ages. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Stravinsky Date: 27 Apr 2001 11:34:40 -0700 > > By the way, any recommendations on a good interpertration of "le > histoire du soldat"? (sorry for bad spelling). > > greets, > > Ricardo Reis > > "NON SERVIAM" > > > - > Robert Craft's recording on Musicmasters (w/the Orch of St Luke) skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Jazz Musicians Date: 26 Apr 2001 17:44:50 +0200 ask mr. Anthony Braxton c/o wesleyan U. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 3:44 PM > I'm working on sociology paper about jazz musicians as a subculture. > Hopefully, some one could answer this question off-list: Are there or were > there any offenses that would cause a musician to be ostrecized from the > mainstream establishment? > > Zach > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 19:39:10 +0100 (WET DST) On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Skip Heller wrote: > > By the way, any recommendations on a good interpertration of "le > > histoire du soldat"? (sorry for bad spelling). > > > Robert Craft's recording on Musicmasters (w/the Orch of St Luke) > > skip h Thx. Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: In the sack Date: 26 Apr 2001 13:34:54 EDT Anyone know if there's any (U.S.) distribution of the Sackville Collection of Creative Improvised Music Classics reissues, apart from phoning or writing Sackville (which is proving to be a pain in the rear)? Also - here's a dumb question - the Sackville reissue coming out next month, Hemphill's Roi Boye & The Gotham Minstrels (3014/3015) - didn't Screwgun already reisssue that as Blue Boye (Scrwgn 70008)? Or does the latter include different material? I think I knew this at one point, but I just can't dredge anything up from my memory hole. (Too many crashes, definitely too many crashes...) David rp: Company, Epiphany/Epiphanies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Booking info Date: 26 Apr 2001 14:41:50 -0400 Welcome to the list, Nick. Zorn books himself in the USA. Try sending an e-mail through the Tzadik website: tzadik@tzadik.com. It'll get forwarded to him. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Nicholas Shortway This is my first post to the list, and I too am a BIG Zorn fan. My question is this: Does anyone have or know where I can get information about John's booking agent? The reason I ask is that I am the president of the Jazz Club at Penn State and we are interested in finding out how much the he plays for, when he's available, etc. Any info would be helpful. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: AMMMMM Date: 26 Apr 2001 14:56:33 EDT OK, here's an even more ridiculous one. I can (barely) afford to go see only *ONE* AMM set at the Knit this weekend. Assuming there still some choice in the matter, should I shoot for that last Sunday late set? Saturday or Sunday early? Does it make any difference in terms of when the lads might stretch out and/or peak? There's no way the Knit doesn't clear the room after the early show, right? (Damn, this reminds me of when I was making pilgrimages down to the Fillmore East to see zee Dead. But then you pretty much always went for the late show if ya could.) Truckin' and slidin'... David - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMMMMM Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:22:26 EDT In a message dated 4/26/01 2:57:57 PM, DvdBelkin@aol.com writes: << OK, here's an even more ridiculous one. I can (barely) afford to go see only *ONE* AMM set at the Knit this weekend. Assuming there still some choice in the matter, should I shoot for that last Sunday late set? Saturday or Sunday early? Does it make any difference in terms of when the lads might stretch out and/or peak? There's no way the Knit doesn't clear the room after the early show, right? >> someone else asked me this yesterday. I might go for the late set Sunday, just because it'll be the last set of the tour. the first set Saturday might be a bit on the tentative side, because I have a feeling NYC might be a little overwhelming after the relatively sedate surroundings they've been in for at least the last week or so. anyway, I'm sure none of them will disappoint. really the show to see is the set at Bard tomorrow night, but that's probably not an option for you. now I'm off to Bard myself.... Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Stravinsky Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:43:13 +0200 > Not new, but Dutoit's version of PULCINELLA is fantastic (in fact like > almost anything I know conducted by him). What label is it on? Any other good stravinsky by him? > By the way, any recommendations on a good interpertration of "le > histoire du soldat"? (sorry for bad spelling). I like very much the Stravinsky version on Ballets, vol I. There's also a version by Lorrin Maazel that's quite nice. That's for the full suite version, which I treat as the definitive one. I've got the full version with text by Boulez on Erato. It's very well played, but I can't listen to the whole text very often. The piano - clarinet - violin version is on a a decca disc by askenazy. The whole disc is very good. But, as (almost) always, the stravinmsky version is the best: very dynamic Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "matt krefting" Subject: Michael Hurley at Hampshire 4-29 Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:46:52 -0400 hi all we wanted to let you know of this upcoming event. bring a friend: MICHAEL HURLEY SUNBURNED HAND OF THE MAN JOSHUA SUNDAY, APRIL 29, 2001 HAMPSHIRE COLLEGE TAVERN AMHERST, MA 8pm $3 pls email off-list for more info. thanks... mk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: In the sack Date: 26 Apr 2001 16:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Sackville may be distributed by North Country, but I think the Classics are *only* available by mail order from Sackville itself. And yes (or no) the two Boyes are completely different records. Ken Waxman --- DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > Anyone know if there's any (U.S.) distribution of > the Sackville Collection of Creative Improvised > Music Classics reissues, apart from phoning or > writing Sackville (which is proving to be a pain in > the rear)? > > Also - here's a dumb question - the Sackville > reissue coming out next month, Hemphill's Roi Boye & > The Gotham Minstrels (3014/3015) - didn't Screwgun > already reisssue that as Blue Boye (Scrwgn 70008)? > Or does the latter include different material? I > think I knew this at one point, but I just can't > dredge anything up from my memory hole. (Too many > crashes, definitely too many crashes...) > > David > > rp: Company, Epiphany/Epiphanies > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: The Shell Game Date: 26 Apr 2001 16:16:36 -0400 (EDT) He has a solo session out on DIW, recorded at least five years ago and another recorded (I think) but delayed to be released by Thirsty Ear eventually. Ken Waxman --- Dave Trenkel wrote: > At 5:15 PM 4/26/01, efrén del valle wrote: > >Hi everyone! > > > >I don't remember if this has been discussed here > >before. > >Anybody heard the Berne/Taborn/Rainey album "The > Shell > >Game" on Thirsty Ear Records? > >I'd like to order it but some opinions would be > >greatly appreciated. > > > > > I have it and I'm loving it! Typically great Berne > tunes, and Craig Taborn > in particular sounds great. > > Does anyone else have any recommendations for Craig > Taborn? I have Shell > Game, and Carl Craig's Innerzone Orchestra, very > different discs that both > feature Taborn. Would love to hear more, he's one of > the most interesting > keyboardists I've heard in ages. > > ____________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org > New & Improv Media > http://www.newandimprov.com > Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub > ____________________________________________ > > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hatta Subject: Re: ...Murakami and then Tomita Date: 26 Apr 2001 17:46:39 -0700 I also read 'Sputnik Sweetheart' last night and would like to second the recommendation. However I (also) got 'Underground' via the UK and found it totally engaging. It of course in no Murakami novel, he keeps his writing to a minimum, it gives a lot of insight into Japanese culture. Plus it is interesting to read more about places in Japan that you read about in the novels. I found it very moving and deeply engaging. I found the multiple descriptions of the same gas attack in a subway to have an almost 'Rashomon' quality --the variance of individual perspective. There really is no reason to read this book as a Murakami fan, since there is little of him in it, but a a cultural document it is worth reading. Speaking of Japanese art I just got Yann Tomita " an Adventure of Inevitable Chance (or "How Time Passes") which is one of the greatest bits of musical satire I have ever seen/heard. Fantastic packaging that incudes a fake second CD, with a whole booklet for it. There are introductions and spoken word stuff like 60's electronics cds, and strange sampling. It purports to be a live CD when it clearly isn't. It really is hard to describe, but absolutely wonderful. I'm curious what people know of this guy or this project. -Robert >actually, Underground was released in England last year. I ordered it from >Amazon UK, along with Norwegian Wood, when neither of them were scheduled for >release here. I never made it too far into Underground. Murakami rounded up >everyone he could find who was anywhere near the subway system at the time, >interviewed them, and printed the results, a Studs Terkel-esque approach. >it's interesting for a while, but I found it became repetitive pretty >quickly, and I lost interest. -- "My mind was a blank, a rice paddy in the middle of a rainstorm..." -Haruki Murakami 'Sputnik Sweetheart' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 26 Apr 2001 18:11:46 -0700 anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading during the four weeks i'll be spending there.... martin np. art pepper -- the hollywood sessions. always did love art's hearty, souful lyricism.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: ...Murakami and then Tomita Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:14:13 +0000 on 01.04.27 12:46 AM, hatta at hatta@spiralcage.com wrote: > Speaking of Japanese art Does anyone know of any video existing of the Butoh group SHANKAI JUKU ??? Just dreaming... RL NW: Pilobolus, Dance in America ---------- [All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also : --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : LUCILLE / A Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Les Henderson Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Max Havelaar by Multatuli is a classic in Dutch colonial literature, pretty fucked up from a contemporary perspective though. BTW, Multatuli is a pseudonym for Eduard Douwes Dekker, you might need to check under this name to find the book. On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Martin Wisckol wrote: > anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading > during the four weeks i'll be spending there.... > > martin > > np. art pepper -- the hollywood sessions. always did love art's hearty, > souful lyricism.... > > > - > Les Henderson ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: AMMMMM Date: 27 Apr 2001 00:20:53 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 3:22 PM > really the show to see is the set at Bard tomorrow night Why's that? -Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 27 Apr 2001 00:48:36 EDT Not "Indonesian literature" per se, but chunks of Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon are set there. Awesome book. David np: Daniele D'agaro, Lingua Franca ---> Satako Fuji (w/ Mark Feldman), April Shower PS. See ya'll at the AMM Sunday late show. In a message dated 4/26/01 9:13:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes: > anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading > during the four weeks i'll be spending there.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Zangles Date: 27 Apr 2001 09:20:41 +0200 (CEST) > I was listnein to some Masada the other day....and > it > got me thinkin. I started analysing Zorns style on > his > sax solos and varius compositions. What I came up > with > was that he seems to approach whatever genre of > music > and change the angle. Its like the music starts from > a > fixed point say 12 o clock and Zorns angle is about > 12:35. Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been > smokin too much? > Gav > You have definitely been smokin' too much. :) Efrén > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: Zangles Date: 27 Apr 2001 09:37:16 +0200 And 'zangles' in Dutch means 'singing lesson'.. What do you mean with it? Jeroen >> Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been >> smokin too much? >> Gav >>=20 >=20 > You have definitely been smokin' too much. :) >=20 > Efr=E9n=20 Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503632209 jeroen@cyberslag.com www.cyberslag.com - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ricardo Reis Subject: and by the way... (NZC) Date: 27 Apr 2001 09:10:51 +0100 (WET DST) NZC - no zorn content... A friend of mine is starting to explore Prokofievs and is looking for the OST of "Ivan Grozni" from Eisenstein. Does anyone know if this was isssued on record? Many thanx, Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Re: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky Date: 27 Apr 2001 08:32:35 -0500 (CDT) >Off topic, but: > >Stanvinsky was reported to have said Richard Davis was >his favorite bassist after he worked with him in some >NY Phil concerts. Any idea of Mr. D. ever recorded >with Mr. S.? Well, this doesn't actually add any info, but the 'story' i heard was that Stravisnky heard davis performing in a duo with ???. Turning to his companion, he remarked, "these men play like gods." Then he asked davis to play with him. Stravinsky did seem to admire his playing. According to a biographical blurb on davis' homepage, " Onstage after a 1975 concert in Boston, the great composer Igor Stravinsky walked through the orchestra to lay his hand on Mr. Davis' shoulder in a tribute rarely accorded a bassist--or any other orchestra member--by the Maestro himself." Davis does indeed play like a god. I had the gift of being able to see him play solo in a small club in madison, wisconsin. his lion-headed bass was so close to where i was sitting, i could have reached out and stopped the strings from vibrating. i've never heard a bass player manage to maintain the melody of a song through an extended improvistion the way davis did that night (the song i have in mind was 'all blues'). Someone ought to record davis in a solo performance before it's too late. enough rambling, whit - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "circumlocutionist" Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 27 Apr 2001 10:35:47 -0400 I've been observing the Zorn list for some time but this query compels me to contribute. Without a doubt, you have to read the novels of PRAMOEDYA ANANTA TOER, particulary his "quartet": This Earth of Mankind Child of All Nations Footsteps House of Glass What follows are some words pulled randomly from the Web for flavor (although for clarity, I believe these books are no longer banned in Indonesia): The novels become progressively heavier with historical and political exposition as the series progresses; they will appeal most obviously to those curious about Indonesian history or the politics of colonialism. But they also retain an easy flow and a vividness which remind one that the first two were originally spoken, in a prison camp where Pramoedya was denied access to writing materials. This Earth of Mankind is, deservedly, among the foremost works of Indonesian literature - but Pramoedya's works are banned in Indonesia! ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Martin Wisckol" Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:11:46 -0700 anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading during the four weeks i'll be spending there.... martin np. art pepper -- the hollywood sessions. always did love art's hearty, souful lyricism.... - ---- End Original Message ---- http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky Date: 27 Apr 2001 17:46:15 +0200 Can you enlighten me as to who is Richard Davis? Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin Dunne Subject: Re: Zangles Date: 27 Apr 2001 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) thats a funny coincidence....i meant nothing though - I just took the Z from Zorn and put it front of the topic of angles. True genius hehe Gav --- Jeroen de Boer wrote: > And 'zangles' in Dutch means 'singing lesson'.. What > do you mean with it? > > Jeroen > > > >> Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been > >> smokin too much? > >> Gav > >> > > > > You have definitely been smokin' too much. :) > > > > Efrén > > > Jeroen de Boer > content director Cyberslag Content Providing > Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands > > t +31(0)503115496 > m +31 (0)624814506 > f +31(0)503632209 > jeroen@cyberslag.com > > www.cyberslag.com > > > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Re: Odp: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky Date: 27 Apr 2001 11:40:48 -0500 (CDT) hello marcin (and anyone else who is interested), Richard Davis is a bass player, currently residing in Madison, Wisconsin as a member of the faculty in the department of music at the university of wisconsin. He's performed with many jazz greats (and let us not forget John Lennon and Bruce Springsteen...and frank sinatra) and led his own groups. I'm not sure when he first started gigging, but he was with Jamal in 1953. His most well known recording as a leader is probably 1972's "Now's the time", which i haven't heard in years, but has two long (~20 minutes each) avant-garde renditions of two be-bop standards, if i recall correctly. here's a list of jazz groups with which he has performed, culled from his online vita at http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/cosmo/vita.htm : Ahmad Jamal, Archie Shepp, Ben Sidran, Benny Carter, Bud Powell, CharlieRouse, Clifford Jarvis, Cy Coleman, David Murray, Don Cherry, Don Moye,Elvin Jones Jazz Machine, Eric Dolphy, Freddie Waits, Gene Ammons, J.J.Johnson, Joanne Brackeen, Joe Williams, John Carter, John Lewis, John Tchaii,Kenny Dorham, Koolfest All Stars with Nat Adderly, Miles Davis, MingusDynasty, Morgana King, Peggy Lee, Philly Joe Jones, Sir Roland Hanna, SarahVaughan, Sauter Finnegan, Shelley Manne, Spencer Barefield, Stella Marrs,Sun Ra All Stars, Tatsuya Nakamura, Thad Jones Mel Lewis Orchestra,Young People's Concert at N.Y. Philharmonic. and here's a list of conductors he performed under: Tauno Hannaikainen, Igor Stravinsky, Gunther Schuller, Leopold Stowkowski,Leonard Bernstein, George Szell, Pierre Boulez, Harry Rabinowitz. more info can be had from his homepage: http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/ cheers, whit On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Marcin Gokieli wrote: > Can you enlighten me as to who is Richard Davis? > Marcin Gokieli > marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 27 Apr 2001 19:30:14 -0400 At 10:35 AM 4/27/01 -0400, circumlocutionist wrote: >I've been observing the Zorn list for some time but this query compels me to contribute. Without a doubt, you have to read the novels >of PRAMOEDYA ANANTA TOER, particulary his "quartet": > >This Earth of Mankind >Child of All Nations >Footsteps >House of Glass A strong second on the recommendation for this. A fascinating set of novels by an Indonesian writer who has been deeply involved in Indonesian politics in various ways for years. Read them in order. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: Gee Force Date: 27 Apr 2001 21:24:54 EDT in the states the cartoon was called g-force, i believe they still have re-runs on cartoon network if u get the station. i think it was illustrated and developed by this japanese artist named yoshitaka amano, a few years back he had an exhibition here in new york city. turns out he's a brilliant painter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: Re: Odp: Gee Force Date: 27 Apr 2001 21:32:21 -0400 Hi all it's funny, because now that u mention it, i do believe i read that Yoshitaka Amano had something to do with "Battle Of The Planets" (when i attended his thing with Neil Gaiman at the Orensanz), but I'm not sure if it was "creator/developer". I do believe that it's been rerun on the Cartoon Network here in the US, BUT the one thing I can claim with ABSOLUTE certainty is that the series ran originally in the US as "Battle Of The Planets". I've simply had too many bloody fights with my siblings over this very issue to EVER forget that! peace >in the states the cartoon was called g-force, i believe they still have >re-runs on cartoon network if u get the station. i think it was >illustrated >and developed by this japanese artist named yoshitaka amano, a few years >back >he had an exhibition here in new york city. turns out he's a brilliant >painter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMMMMM Date: 28 Apr 2001 01:48:30 EDT In a message dated 4/27/01 12:20:17 AM, jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu writes: << > really the show to see is the set at Bard tomorrow night Why's that? >> I thought there would be a better atmosphere than the Knitting Factory. I neglected to factor in a poor acoustical venue, subpar equipment (a baby grand piano for Tilbury, and no gong or bass drum for Prevost), and a relatively noisy audience (including a baby crying occasionally, people walking around, the door loudly opening and closing repeatedly). the night was so amateurishly run that they asked for money for tickets after the show had ended. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Odp: Gee Force Date: 28 Apr 2001 08:27:51 +0200 ----- Original Message ----- > Network here in the US, BUT the one thing I can claim with ABSOLUTE > certainty is that the series ran originally in the US as "Battle Of The > Planets". I've simply had too many bloody fights with my siblings over this > very issue to EVER forget that! In Poland it also went as 'wojna planet' - and we also querelled whether the true title is 'wojna planet' (battle of planets) or 'G force'. And even now when I tolsd my friends (what I learned by your posts - namely what the title was - there was some serious disagreement... Transformation, Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: AMMMMM Date: 28 Apr 2001 02:41:03 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- > I thought there would be a better atmosphere than the Knitting Factory. I > neglected to factor in a poor acoustical venue, subpar equipment (a baby > grand piano for Tilbury, and no gong or bass drum for Prevost), and a > relatively noisy audience (including a baby crying occasionally, people > walking around, the door loudly opening and closing repeatedly). the night > was so amateurishly run that they asked for money for tickets after the show > had ended. Hi Jon, Well, it's good to see I at least didn't miss anything then. Did you (or anyone else) see the night before? I'm really curious what the solo sets were like, particularly Rowe's and Prevost's (he was leading a student ensemble, right?). I think I'm going to try to make it to the Knit for one of the Sunday shows. Anyone have any idea how many tickets are left? Thanks, Jesse - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 28 Apr 2001 08:14:35 -0400 DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > > Not "Indonesian literature" per se, but chunks of Neal Stephenson's > Cryptonomicon are set there. Awesome book. Strongly seconded. Anyone with intimate (or second-hand) knowledge of the Philippines (like, say, having been married to a filipina for 21 years) will get an extra charge from this one. Wonderful book. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: AMMMMM Date: 28 Apr 2001 08:29:53 -0400 Jesse Kudler wrote: > Well, it's good to see I at least didn't miss anything then. Did you (or > anyone else) see the night before? I'm really curious what the solo sets > were like, particularly Rowe's and Prevost's (he was leading a student > ensemble, right?). Tilbury played several Cornelius Cardew works from 1959-61, the February pieces plus one other and closed with his arrangement of "Croppy Boy". He gave a brief summation of Cardew's career and its idealogical arc. Prevost led seven Bard students (guitar, Roweian tabletop guitar, piano, clarinet, computer, violin and drums) in an improv that lasted about 45 minutes. It wasn't nearly as bad as one might have feared, the students playing with pretty decent sensitivity (except for the drummer, who seeemd to think he was in a chamber jazz band) and there were brief stretches where I though it actually sounded quite good. Rowe closed out with his solo set, masterful and fascinating, if not quite up to the level of the one in Boston last year. Rich, loud drones predominated, abetted by the interaction between his guitar and several small, hand-operated electronics like a portable fan and a small neck-massage device. His radio dredging was typically (fortuitously?) inspired, including the emergence, from beneath waves of dense sound, of "Black Magic Woman". Jon's comments on the AMM show the next day kinda summed it up, though I was put off by the annoying amateurishness a bit less than he. The members of the band were true pros and, aside from a stinging intro from Prevost aimed at the Bard faculty and their total lack of interest in the event, they (at least as far as the actual performance) appeared to shrug off their aggravation and play as close to "usual" as they could in the circumstances. Afterwards, I mentioned to Tilbury that the problems might be good prep for the Knit and hoped he didn't mind playing electric piano... ;-) Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gamantyo Hendrantoro Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 28 Apr 2001 08:55:13 -0400 > From: "circumlocutionist" > Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) > > but Pramoedya's > works are banned in Indonesia! I don't currently live in Indonesia, but AFAIK with the fall of Suharto's regime, the ban has been subsequently removed. Regards, Gamantyo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: concert travel stories Date: 28 Apr 2001 08:22:28 -0700 periodically, i forward a post from my longtime companero Michael J. Williams, who subscribes to the zornlist but for some reason can post himself. i think you'll agree that these stories, reviving a recent thread, merit the effort of forwarding many times over: Circa 1975, I drove from Cincinnati to Bloomington, Indiana in the immediate aftermath of a blizzard in a beat-up Karmann Ghia with dead windshield wipers, no heat and a dead battery to see Dizzy at the Bluebird Cafe. I'd leave the Ghia running in the parking lots of fast-food joints to warm up and get coffee. Diz was caught up in a snowstorm in Indianapolis and didn't arrive at the gig until about midnight, but he was in a great mood and blew his ass off. Micky Roker on drums, I can't remember the name of the guitar player, a European guy I think, and I can't envision the bass player at all. There were absolutely no hills in the Indiana University visitors parking lot and the Ghia was iced in, but fortunately IU student and friend, Shaky Dave Flege, had some jumper cables. Last time I saw him. Heard he gave up playing the fender bass and partying for a slide rule and a family. Another time, I hitchhiked from Reno, Nevada to Concord, Calif. for the Concord Jazz Festival's guitar explosion night with a cast of wizards including Cincy legend Cal Collins. Cal tore it up but I drank too much vodka and wound up in Daly City, having lost my backpack I know not where. Had to wash dishes in the Guadalara Restaurant when I discovered I had just two dollars left and kept it for an emergency, Caught a few hours of cold sleep on an upstairs apartment building landing. My ride luck that had been with me on the way to Concord ran out: First ride was a heavily tattooed, bearded ex-con from Martinez with a 16-year old pregnant wife and a bad radiator that required him to pull over to the side of the road every 20 miles and refill with water. He dropped me off on a remote off ramp to I-80 near Vacaville, where he was going to visit a buddy in the state pen. I thought I was doomed for eternity, but an old farmer guy got me to Auburn, where he bought me a cup of coffee, but the next ride was a demented, obese, antique (junk) dealer in a rickety station wagon with travel stickers all over it who arrived at the conclusion that I was his long lost love sent by whatever divine entity he worshipped After convincing him that I was insane with the old, I love listening to white noise on the radio trick, I jumped ship somewhere in the mountains when he pulled off onto a rural highway into the wilderness, saying that he had to pick up his pet dachsund. By this time I had sworn off hitchhiking and drinking forever. As I began sprinting down the shoulder of I-80, a pick-up pulled over and I hopped into find an Indian, probably Paiute, hippy, long hair down to his ass, in the driver's seat toking on a joint and a cooler completely filled with ice-cold Coors on the front seat. He took off careening around mountainsides at 95 MPH, alternating sucks of reefer and beer with heavy metal screaming over the radio. I decided I would have a beer after all. But I got back to Reno in time to clean up and make my gig on the graveyard shift at John Ascuaga's Nugget down the road in Sparks. Michael J. Williams - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: r davis + Q abt swt basil Date: 28 Apr 2001 18:40:21 EDT In a message dated 4/28/01 8:36:22 AM, you wrote: << more info can be had from his homepage: http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/ >> let's not forget the really important work of r davis, laura nyro's 'christmas and the beads of sweat' and van's 'astral weeks' i had the mixed delight of seeing him only once live, at sweet basil 9which i now call deadly nightshade) because i was entranced during that incredible performance and the night manager assaulted me for not leaving quickly enough between sets as we finished our intermission coffee. this was over a decade ago, and i think it (the music) was released on swt basil records. i havent been back since (the police said since i wasnt hurt, all i could do was cite him for a mediation. i declined and just never spent a dime there siince.) anyone know how/who it's run these days? i still cringe when i walk by, on my way to fun evil deeds. regards steve koenig n.p. paulina rubio: "paulina" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: re: amm availability Date: 28 Apr 2001 18:42:49 EDT In a message dated 4/28/01 8:36:22 AM, you wrote: <> hi jesse its saturday 6pm and i just phones the knit and they said theres easy tix for tonight. im bring the extended familee and needed to be sure. assume the same for sunday. not sure if it matters that i asked only re the 10pm show steve koenig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Howard Skempton Date: 29 Apr 2001 03:30:25 -0000 Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number of conflicting descriptions of this CD... np: Akos Rozmann: Two, with Three Instruments _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: numbats@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Howard Skempton Date: 29 Apr 2001 14:30:18 +0800 Hi, I bought it a while back and have enjoyed it. What comes to mind - Mompou, Satie, folk song, English memories ( I lived there for 34 years). It comes from Cardew's "roots" period maybe? regards, Billy >Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's >piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student >of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number >of conflicting descriptions of this CD... > >np: Akos Rozmann: Two, with Three Instruments >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Howard Skempton Date: 29 Apr 2001 07:30:09 -0400 thomas chatterton wrote: > > Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's > piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student > of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number > of conflicting descriptions of this CD... I love this disc. Some of the most beautiful Satie-esque melodies you'll ever hear, with apreciative nods toward composers like Cardew and Rzewski. I can see people being put off by his "simplicity", but I get the feeling they'd say the same about Satie. It's also the best I've heard of Skempton's discs, though there's one with piece for solo accordion I haven't been able to locate. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Teichman Subject: rene lussier Date: 29 Apr 2001 17:55:29 -0400 I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by a guitarist named Rene Lussier. Wild stuff!! Music based on speech intonations? What a brilliant idea. Who is this guy?? I read he worked with Fred Frith, which might explain why the album sounds a bit zorny. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "&c." Subject: Miles Date: 29 Apr 2001 18:32:48 -0400 I pick up a copy of Miles' autobiography. I didn't realize what an asshole he could be. He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but was enamored with Prince. I like Prince, but... I was amused by him calling Archie Shepp a "no-playing mofo" Zach np: John Coltrane - Complete Live at the Village Vanguard - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: René Lussier Date: 29 Apr 2001 18:47:46 -0400 (EDT) FYI: Lussier is a Quebecois guitarist associated with the free improvisers in Montreal who are grouped around the Ambiance Magnetique record label. He has many other discs on AM plus Victo and other labels, especially with his close playing partner saxophonist Jean Derome.He has performed extensively in Canada and Europe, but not the U.S. AFAIK. Also while you may see "Music based on speech intonations" as "Wild stuff". For independantists like Lussier, concern about the French language's survival in a North American sea of English speakers is a political as well as a cultutral concept. Ken Waxman --- Matt Teichman wrote: > I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by > a guitarist named Rene > Lussier. Wild stuff!! Music based on speech > intonations? What a > brilliant idea. Who is this guy?? I read he worked > with Fred Frith, which > might explain why the album sounds a bit zorny. > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Miles Date: 29 Apr 2001 16:08:19 -0700 >>>I didn't realize what an asshole he could be.<<< I figure an accurate biography on anyone would include a fair amount of assholery. Just be thankful you're not famous. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Miles Date: 29 Apr 2001 18:16:45 -0600 >He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but >was enamored with Prince. he also hated Ornette's violin playing Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Date: 29 Apr 2001 21:15:43 EDT In a message dated 4/29/01 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: << he also hated Ornette's violin playing >> To be fair, I think he tolerated the violin playing, explaining it in the sense that he could understand O. 'going for a sound,' or something like that. It was O.'s TRUMPET playing that he hated, saying that it was 'disrespectful to trumpet players,' or something similar to that. Its been a while since I've read that bio, so I don't remember the exact quotes (obviously). I've heard through the grapevine that a number of things in that book are to be taken with a grain of salt. Exactly what things, I don't know. -matt mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William York" Subject: Eugene Chadbourne Radio (sic) Date: 30 Apr 2001 02:49:19 I haven't listened yet b/c my computer at home doesn't have a good enough connection, but anyway I though I'd send this before I forget... "A short note to our listeners: Radio Chadula is a new experiment for us and we want your help to make it work in the best possible way for all. The plan is to keep a regular rotation of fresh shows posted for your listening pleasure. We hope to turn you on to the new stuff as well as refresh your memory of the classics. As you will notice, we are using a 'Commercial' service to make this available, so you will have to tolerate a bit of 'corporate shilling'. We think it's worth tolerating the minimal interruptions to have free access to the Good Doctor's archives. As we proceed we hope to add live shows, interviews, tour announcements, tidbits of wisdom and anything else that we fancy to scatter across the vast digital audio radiance..." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 20:03:50 -0700 > > >> He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but >> was enamored with Prince. > > he also hated Ornette's violin playing > > Matt Wirzbicki > > - > ... as if Ornette's violin playing is above reproach. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 20:07:35 -0700 > In a message dated 4/29/01 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu writes: > > << he also hated Ornette's violin playing >>> > To be fair, I think he tolerated the violin playing, explaining it in the > sense that he could understand O. 'going for a sound,' or something like > that. It was O.'s TRUMPET playing that he hated, saying that it was > 'disrespectful to trumpet players,' or something similar to that. Its been a > while since I've read that bio, so I don't remember the exact quotes > (obviously). > > I've heard through the grapevine that a number of things in that book are to > be taken with a grain of salt. Exactly what things, I don't know. > > -matt mitchell > > - > Where did anyone ever get the idea that Miles was tolerant, sanguine in his opinions, or even polite. As for the Coltrane quartet, it was McCoy Tyner's playing found particularly dull, and, in all fairness, he did tend to play one way almost all the time in that group. skip h PS I also happen to think Ornette, as a rule, is not that brilliant, so I guess negative reviews of him don't offend me. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Jackie McLean, Glenn Horiuchi articles Date: 29 Apr 2001 23:44:33 -0400 Greetings, In the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever , you'll find (among other things): JOHN FAHEY Tribute to an American Primitive: interviews with Dean Blackwood (Revenant), Barret Hansen (Dr. Demento) and George Winston GLENN HORIUCHI Atonal energy music from the late pianist JACKIE MCLEAN The prime Blue Note years for the master saxman We're always looking for good material so let us know if you have any writing or ideas for upcoming issues. See you online, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Miles Date: 29 Apr 2001 21:56:13 -0600 >... as if Ornette's violin playing is above reproach. hey, i didn't say I was nuts about it...I'm not. I was only trying to make the list of now well known artists which Miles shat upon a bit more complete. >I figure an accurate biography on anyone would include a fair amount of >assholery. >Just be thankful you're not famous. sure everyone's a jack ass from time to time but the point here is that Miles seems - from his autobiography - to behave in a combative and condescending manner toward others a bit more than most people consider - as you put it - "fair." Do you think an accurate biography on Coltrane would contain a "fair amount" of "assholery."? If by a "fair amount" you mean ANY then I might agree with your statments but if by "fair" you mean decent or substancial... ...i just don't think that most people are quite as mean as Miles seems to be in his autobiography. Matt Wirzbicki - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 00:24:25 EDT hey man, if his "assholery" as you put it is what made him the aggressive innovator that he was, then id gladly be the guy on the street that he bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few weeks later and discover bitches brew ~fishy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 05:27:13 -0000 >From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" ...i just don't think that most people are >quite as mean as Miles seems to be in his autobiography. Just listen to the music! P.S. My favourite Miles story is when Wympie Marsalis got up on stage while Miles was playing Expo 86 in Vancouver to join the 'Dark Prince' in a duet (without asking permission); Miles just scowled and told him to fuck off... np: Ikeda/Nicolai 'Cyclo' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Tippet's Blueprint Date: 29 Apr 2001 17:40:44 +0200 As Tippets' blueprint is being reissued, I'd like to know what is it like.' Thanks, Marcin Gokieli - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re[2]: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 10:00:29 +0200 PaanKu> hey man, if his "assholery" as you put it is what made him the aggressive PaanKu> innovator that he was, then id gladly be the guy on the street that he PaanKu> bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few PaanKu> weeks later and discover bitches brew but if you take his period from 1975 to 1980... i wouldn't say he had been that an innovator that time. and imo in this time his "assholery" was biggest. and after that his music was not the intensive fusion music he played before... PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: Some May Tzadik Descriptions Date: 30 Apr 2001 03:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Zorn, John - Songs From The Hermetic Theatre [TZ7066:f] Tzadik $14.00 "In March 2001 Zorn entered the recording studio to create four very different compositions. American Magus is Zorn's first piece of purely electronic music, and it is dedicated to the underground innovator Harry Smith, whose legendary paintings, groundbreaking films, eclectic collections (ranging from Ukranian Easter eggs, string games, found paper airplanes to cassettes of New York City ambiences) and encyclopedic mind has continued to excite, confound and inspire artists worldwide. BeuysBlock, a bizarre meditation on the work of conceptual/performance artist Joseph Beuys, is scored for piano, string orchestra and an incredible array of homemade sound devices, all performed by Zorn himself. Also included is Zorn's tribute to Maya Deren, dancer, filmmaker, authority on Haitian voodoo and one of the most important and influential figures in the New York underground and the mindbending sonic hieroglyphs of Codebreaker, Zorn's first piece of computer music. An essential collection of dialogues from one generation of the underground to another." Frith, Fred - Clearing [TZ7605:f] Tzadik $14.00 "Fred Frith is one of the world's greatest originals on the guitar, a composer/performer who has been at the forefront of avant garde music since the early '70s. Clearing is his first solo guitar recording in over twenty years (since his classic Live In Japan of 1981) and his first solo studio recording since his groundbreaking Guitar Solos of 1974. Of the three existing solo recordings by this quirky musical master, Clearing is undoubtedly the most dynamic, the most direct and sonically the best recorded. An absolute must have for all fans __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mansur Mirovalev" Subject: Re: Stravinsky, interpretation of the Soldier Date: 30 Apr 2001 15:16:23 +0500 Stravinsky took one of the Russian fairy tales from a compilation book by Afanasyev (whose work on collection of Russian fairy tales is similar to the German fairy tales compilations of the Grimm brothers). The Soldier goes back home after completing his service, the Devil hears him play his fiddle and proposes to exchange his fiddle to a book of wisdom, then fools the Devil, takes his fiddle back, cures the ill Princess with the help of the book, marries her and becomes King. The Devil condemns him and promises to kill him as soon as he crosses the border of his kingdom. When the Soldier hears that his morther is sick, he decides to visit her - and the Devil catches and kills him (sorry if somebody read this story somewhere on a CD cover, i myself read it on the back of an old Soviet vynil, my first Stravinsky piece). Somebody (I dont remember exacly who) compared the story to the Faust motiff - i think this is the best interpretation of the whole thing. The Soldier is also reportedly the first piece of classical music with elements of jazz (dont forget it was written in 1918, and the very word jazz had become known just a year earlier). I know many list members hate Wynton Marsalis, but can anybody tell me how was his performance of the Soldier? I also heard the Soldier was supposed to be the first classical music edition on Sting's own label. Mansur Mirovalev Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:13 PM > > By the way, any recommendations on a good interpertration of "le > histoire du soldat"? (sorry for bad spelling). > > greets, > > Ricardo Reis > > "NON SERVIAM" > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: miles b brew Date: 30 Apr 2001 07:39:56 EDT In a message dated 4/30/01 7:00:01 AM, you wrote: <> always hated miles playing; cant stand lack of vibrato sound autobio obnoxious and interesting worse, im starting to, if not like, appreciate his playing. just what i need; something new to buy. damn. am reading advance galleys of 'miles beyond: miles electric period' inetresting perspectives of miles as teacher/guru... gues you had to be in the band.. also listening to the legacy reissue of complete b.brew sessions... sound is amazingly better than first Cd release even tho ive read elsewhere theres not much diff. strating to like it. ive always hated the title, but reading this book, am somewhat assuaged that the title refers to the brew made by the musicians (akin to calling them mofo's). but with mile's "love" of women... i wouldnt call myself unjustified in years of disgust with the title. facing the audience, steve koenig n.p. weather report (sunny, mild, no rain) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: z-list/mcphee indonesia book Date: 30 Apr 2001 07:40:43 EDT im told that the best book on indonesia, perhaps mentioned already, is composer colin mcphee's and i probably have the title mangles, 'life in bali' or a year in bali or somesuch. are you an ethnomusicologist perchance? i spent time in papua nuigini with an ethno and cherish the tapes on the sing-sings we were invited to. regards steve koenig now online; my 2 lastest columns in LaFolia.com n.p. aretha: lady soul reissue (orig extended version of chain of fools not to be missed! long gospel intro + first chorus, all chopped off on the single/LP cut) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "& c." Subject: Re: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 09:28:01 -0400 I think it all should be taken with a grain of salt. It's his bio, not an official account of anything, but HIM. It's his opinion (as assholic as it might be), nothing more. I love his music and I guess I'll have to tolerate him. His point of view has been helpful in learning about drugs in the jazz culture, though. Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #400 Date: 30 Apr 2001 07:04:02 -0500 Hi y'all, Here're a few odds & ends in response to this morning's zorndigest. According to various Web pages on the Indonesian writer Pramoedya Ananta Toer, the tetralogy & his recent memoir the Mute's Soliloquy were published in Indonesia in 2000 by Hasta Mitra, so it took awhile after the fall of Suharto for them to be available in his native land. Some of his other books, including several now published in Indonesia from the same press, are technically still banned. The current administration hasn't acted against the publisher, by they have not rescinded the laws banning the books either. It's not clear how stable this administration is and a government could respond very differently to Pramoedya's works. Details on Pramoedya can be found here: . Rene Lussier has played in the US at least a little, in the mid-1980s he performed with clarinetist Robert Lepage in Seattle, one of the few shows I booked for Soundwork that I had to be out of town for. He's also played Roulette and, I think, New Langton Arts in San Francisco & probably a few other venues over the years. &, for what it's worth, re: the announcement for the new perfect sound forever issue, I don't recall hearing anything by Glenn Horiuchi that's atonal, though much of his work IS dissonant. These two terms get used interchangeably but don't technically mean the same thing at all. Atonal music is music in which the pitches are not organized according to a harmonic structure. Serial/twelve-tone music is one example of this, though there are others, some of which are less systematized. Dissonant music IS organized harmonically or modally around a key center, though it includes pitches, chords and/or sounds that don't fit the harmonic structure or mode. There's a lot more instances of this than of music that's truly atonal, especially in music with roots in jazz improvisation. List readers may also be interested in the Jorge Ben that Jason didn't list in his blurb on the current issue. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Non-JZ FS: Blind Idiot God, Ensemble Sondarc ... Date: 30 Apr 2001 10:45:22 +0100 I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $20 -- Blind Idiot God - "Undertow" JAP CD (Tokuma) 1990 [Japanese pressing of the Laswell produced Enemy CD from 1988. Hawkins, Katz & Epstein w/ a George Clinton cover, and the track, "Purged Specimen", featuring Zorn on sax.] $15 -- Brian Lavelle/Richard Youngs - "Radios 1" UK CD (Freek) 1995 $15 -- Ensemble Sondarc - "For Four Rooms" SWI CD (For 4 Ears) 1997 [66 min. of ensemble-improv from 6 (yes, six) doublebassists.] $ 7 -- Stefan Jaworzyn - "Disco Death Fury" US 7" (Fusetron) 1995 [Nice guitar piece from 1983 split over two sides. Limited to 250 copies. Out of print.] $14 -- Whitehouse - "Erector" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd011) 1995 [Follow up to "Total Sex" from 1981. Feat. "Shitfun". Mint.] $14 -- Whitehouse - "Thank Your Lucky Stars (special edition)" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd018) 1997 [Feat. "Neronia", "Sadist" and "Still Going Strong" not on first "TYLS" pressing. Mint.] Thanks for looking. -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grey ElkGel Subject: nmperign european tour Date: 30 Apr 2001 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) nmperign european tour: 5/3 Wiesbaden [Ger] @ Kunsthaus 5/4 Cologne [Ger] @ Wundertuete 5/5 Wuppertal [Ger] @ ?? (afternoon) 5/5 Bremen [Ger] @ Zakk (evening) 5/6 Muenster [Ger] @ Cuba-cultur 5/9 Berlin [Ger] @ Kule 5/10 Berlin [Ger] @ Raumschiff Zitrone 5/14, 15 Florence [Ital] @ Festival "Superfici Sonore" University of Florence School of Architecture, also including Metamkine, Dean Roberts, Michael Schumacher, Giuseppe Ielasi & Renato Rinaldi in various groupings. -other dates TBA- nmperign: greg kelley, trumpet (www.geocities.com/greyelkgel) bhob rainey, soprano saxophone (homepage.mac.com/bhobr) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: RE: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 11:20:28 -0400 (EDT) He also didn'tr get along with Symphony Sid. So? or So What as Miles would say Ken Waxman --- "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" wrote: > >He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late > period, but was enamored with Prince. > > he also hated Ornette's violin playing > > Matt Wirzbicki > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 08:57:35 -0700 On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:16:45 -0600 "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" wrote: > > >He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but > >was enamored with Prince. > > he also hated Ornette's violin playing Infatuation put aside, Ornette's violin playing is not what he is the best at... Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: miles bitchy crew Date: 30 Apr 2001 16:34:32 -0000 >From: Acousticlv@aol.com ive always hated the title >i wouldnt call myself unjustified in years of disgust with the title. Once again, the music should stand on its own merits! For a book that offers more insight on Miles than his autobile (which wouldn't be difficult!) try 'Round About Midnight by Eric Nisenson (who also wrote the interesting 'Ascension: John Coltrane and his Quest). The author actually hung out with Miles from '78-'81 (running errands and scoring for him) and talked to other musicians like Dexter Gordon and Jimmy Cobb. It only covers the period up to Miles' retirement in '75, but that's really all you need to know...there's also 'The Definitive Biography' by U.K. trumpeter (and Miles acolyte) Ian Carr, haven't read it yet, perhaps someone else on the list could comment... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions Date: 30 Apr 2001 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) >"...is scored for piano, string > orchestra and an > incredible array of homemade sound devices, all > performed by Zorn himself." Wow, he's really outdoing himself this time. I didn't know he could play string orchestra. ---s NP: Morton Feldman, FOR JOHN CAGE Next: AMM, NAMELESS UNCARVED BLOCK (sounded like a rotten disorganized mess when I listened to it twice two weeks ago, easily worse than the third disc of LAMINAL; I'm going to give this another go; listening tips appreciated) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions Date: 30 Apr 2001 19:41:30 +0200 You should hear him play homemade bread ! Scott Handley wrote: >> "...is scored for piano, string >> orchestra and an >> incredible array of homemade sound devices, all >> performed by Zorn himself." > > Wow, he's really outdoing himself this time. I didn't know he could play string orchestra. greetings, Rob @ risk np: endless shuffling my Avant iTunes music list - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions Date: 30 Apr 2001 12:48:44 -0500 On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:41:30PM +0200, Rob Allaert wrote: > You should hear him play homemade bread ! Hmm.. for all the controversy about his work, I don't think anyone has accused Zorn of Loafing. > Scott Handley wrote: > > >> "...is scored for piano, string > >> orchestra and an > >> incredible array of homemade sound devices, all > >> performed by Zorn himself." > > > > Wow, he's really outdoing himself this time. I didn't > know he could play string orchestra. -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Miles Date: 30 Apr 2001 11:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Regarding all this talk of Miles as Asshole: A widely published jazz writer acquaintance once told me that he was tempted to lose his taste for some musicans' work when he'd had terrible first-person encounters with them. In his case, a simple careless mistake (his fault), led to a pretty severe ass-chewing by a famous interviewee (a famous mainstream saxophonist). My friend felt he could not listen to this man's music with pleasure after the incident. I don't have this problem (i.e. I enjoy Wagner, Miles Davis, and, well, some John Zorn, now and again), but frankly it makes more than a little sense that one' reaction to some work might be tempered/filtered by knowledge (however limited) of its creator. My own opinion is that this is an almost entirely artificial connection, and it's a shame to let an artist's personal problems interview with the pleasures of audition. Still, cultural productions _do_ come from people and cultures, so those connections rise up now and again; and I'm at least as susceptible as the next guy/girl. An interesting note: if memory serves, in the newish 1-volume edition of Jack Chambers' Miles Davis bio (MILESTONES), there is an auhtor's introduction detailing how (allegedly) Miles read this bio or portions thereof, then appropriated the information for use in his own autobiography, even though the Chambers information turned out (after the public. of MILES) to be spurious. Another example of Miles the Man using media to become Miles the legend. Advice: avoid all Miles sycophancy, ill-conceived and worse-executed "tributes", and half-ass gush (even, no, ESPECIALLY by those who worked closest to him, whose careers owe the most to his legacy), which should include all liner notes, ever. Except maybe some insightful notes here and there by whoever did the original liners to some of the Columbia "electric" reissues. God, must we kiss the asses of Great Men? -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: rene lussier / Craig Taborn Date: 30 Apr 2001 12:06:06 -0700 (PDT) --- Matt Teichman wrote: > I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by > a guitarist named Rene > Lussier. Wild stuff!! I really like Lussier's playing. Somehow, I feel that people who enjoy Marc Ducret's playing in or around Tim Berne's game might dig Lussier fun admixture of rock, noise, free improv, and pop and "ethnic" inflections, esp. in Jean Derome's (defunct?) Les Dangereux Zhoms (apologies for mangling the French there). I also think the briar-patch of fingers, cartridge needles, and abused strings on RL's collaboration with turntablist Martin Tetreault, DUR NOYAU DUR (Ambiances Magnetiques), is well worth your time. They have a newer duo outing, on which Rene plays daxophone, but I have not heard that. Has anyone? >Music based on speech > intonations? What a > brilliant idea. If you dig this concept, you might check out any of a number of records of concrète poésie, but I'm not the one to ask about this. I've only heard a bit of Pierre Henry's ventures into this. BTW, just to keep all this together, someone mentioned an interest in keyboardist Craig Taborn's music; did anyone mention the "official" Screwgun interview with said Craig? Hie thee: http://www.screwgunrecords.com/taborn.htm ----s ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: miles bitchy crew Date: 30 Apr 2001 17:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Ian Carr's book is overly kind, but well-reseached and written -- at least the first edition I reas. The definitive book is sipposed to be Jack Chambers Milestones Vol. 1 and 2, but it has always seemed to be too large to attempt. It always amazes me that Eric Nisenson has written books on such major figures as Miles and Sonny, His hanging out seems to be just that. Hanging around without questioning anything. His research if in existence at all, is sloppy. And his writing skills less than deficient. Ken Waxman Pardon any typos. I write too quickly when I think of all the potential waste in EN's books. --- thomas chatterton wrote: > >From: Acousticlv@aol.com > ive always hated the title > >i wouldnt call myself unjustified in years of > disgust with the title. > > Once again, the music should stand on its own > merits! > > For a book that offers more insight on Miles than > his autobile (which > wouldn't be difficult!) try 'Round About Midnight by > Eric Nisenson (who also > wrote the interesting 'Ascension: John Coltrane and > his Quest). The author > actually hung out with Miles from '78-'81 (running > errands and scoring for > him) and talked to other musicians like Dexter > Gordon and Jimmy Cobb. It > only covers the period up to Miles' retirement in > '75, but that's really all > you need to know...there's also 'The Definitive > Biography' by U.K. trumpeter > (and Miles acolyte) Ian Carr, haven't read it yet, > perhaps someone else on > the list could comment... > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #401 Date: 30 Apr 2001 15:43:04 -0700 Ken waxed, man: > The >definitive book is sipposed to be Jack Chambers >Milestones Vol. 1 and 2, but it has always seemed to >be too large to attempt. I find it a dandy reference book -- I use it sort of as a sessionography. Although it's not complete, it does, for instance, help you sort out what those familiar bits are in his live recordings of the 1970s.... Lots of good description about each recording and the circumstances surrounding them. So, like when you're digging into one album (or one box), it can act as a supplement to any liner notes.... I rather enjoyed the autobiography. Very readable, reasonably honest -- and, at moments, revealing just how thoroughly Miles loved music.... Martin np. Michael Blake -- Drift (what a fine suprise from this lounge lizard -- anybody familiar with his other CDs?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ) Date: 01 May 2001 01:27:23 -0000 "Islands in the Clouds" by Isabella Tree--a travel lit piece about Irian Jaya and Papua New Guinea. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Michael Blake (was RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #401) Date: 30 Apr 2001 21:23:09 -0400 As a player, Blake is all over the last three Ben Allison CDs, all of which you'll enjoy if you like 'Drift.' They are, in order, 'Medicine Wheel,' 'Third Eye' and 'Riding the Nuclear Tiger.' They're all on the Palmetto label. As a composer, don't miss Blake's outstanding previous release, 'Kingdom of Champa,' a rather incredible travelogue of time spent in Vietnam. The band there includes Steven Bernstein, Thomas Chapin, Marcus Rojas, David Tronzo, Rufus Cappadocia, Bryan Carrott, Tony Scherr, Billy Martin and Scott Neumann - yup, that's all of Spanish Fly, or three-quarters of Slow Poke, or half of Sex Mob, plus one third of MMW... One of my personal "unknown" treasures of contemporary jazz, and even better than 'Drift.' It's on Intuition, like 'Drift.' So's the Slow Poke album, but I never got that one so I can't comment on it. Blake recently premiered another large scale suite of works at the Knitting Factory, which should see release (given past experience) in three years or so. Someone needs to get this guy on a quicker-acting label! Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - wind whistlin' down the road... P.S. Any reports from the weekend AMM shows at the Knit, all of which I sadly missed? -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Martin Wisckol np. Michael Blake -- Drift (what a fine suprise from this lounge lizard -- anybody familiar with his other CDs?) -
To anyone interested in the work of = Mike Patton=20 and/or his group Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's Baby" can be=20 downloaded from www.ipecac.com.  =20 Look under the "ARCHIVES" category.  It is a nice progression from = Book 1,=20 but still very Fantomas.