From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... Date: 01 May 2002 09:57:23 +0000 Hello, >the covers are > >chinatown - jerry goldsmith >shot in the dark - henry mancini >erotico - ennio morricone >i want to live - jonny mandel >the way I feel - john patton Out of curiosity, which songs from the first album don't they play? GGrrr, can't wait to get my hands on that CD! Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... Date: 01 May 2002 07:06:12 -0500 1. Batman 2. Latin Quarter 3. You Will Be Shot 4. Shot In The Dark 5. Skate Key 6. Erotico 7. Snagglepuss 8. I Want To Live 9. New York Flattop Box 10. Inside Straight 11. Chinatown 12. Igneous Ejaculation 13. Ujaku 14. Blood Duster 15. Hammerhead 16. Speedball 17. Obeah Man 18. Den of Sins 19. Demon Sanctuary 20. The Way I Feel Here's the track list... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Gadney Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:57 AM Hello, >the covers are > >chinatown - jerry goldsmith >shot in the dark - henry mancini >erotico - ennio morricone >i want to live - jonny mandel >the way I feel - john patton Out of curiosity, which songs from the first album don't they play? GGrrr, can't wait to get my hands on that CD! Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: live Naked City review Date: 01 May 2002 08:29:40 -0400 Hey fellow Zornies, I've also gotten an advance copy of the live Naked City, thanks to Bruce at DMG. And it's quite good... sound very clear and clean. I was afraid that the reason it had taken so long for this to come out was that the live tapes did not sound good and that Zorn was hesitant to put out something some sub-standard. But my fears were totally unjustified, as this sounds great. As it was mentionned, Frisell really burns it up, and maybe it's just because I'm a guitar player myself, but I think he stands out quite a bit. Well, this is just after one listen too. Besides the variations and improvisations in songs, the other major difference for some tunes (mostly the short numbers near the end of the second half) with the original is the absence of Yamantaka Eye. But the songs don't really suffer from it... if you'd never heard the originals, you wouldn't get the feeling that something's missing. They stand on their own, even though Eye definitely adds intensity on the originals. As for the overall package, well if you weren't careful you could easily mistake the cover for the first Naked City release; very similar WeeGee picture. Also, the inside booklet has the same drawing of the girl with the snake going thru her eyesocket from the first NC release, except in black and white. It really seems as though a parallel can be drawn between this first (from a series (!!), according to the obi) live release and the first studio disc. There are also some pics of the band members. For those who wished that NC would regroup to record Radio 2, and couldn't get enough of the studio discs, this is the next best thing. The Naked City legacy has not been tarnished in any way, but extended. In other words... get it! Bruno _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Edgar=20Lee?= Subject: Bacharach Date: 01 May 2002 23:00:54 +1000 (EST) If you are just getting into Bacharach you'd be fairly safe buying any of the many compilations of his and Hal David's compositions from the late 50s to about 1970. Steer away from Burt's own recordings unless you intend drinking lots of cocktails with your parents and their friends. Don't even bother with the collaboration with Costello because it's simply another one of Costello's overly contrived fan works which shmacks of pastiche. Edgar NP Best of the Lemon Pipers http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - A great way to communicate long-distance for FREE! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Date: 01 May 2002 18:16:35 +0000 cecil taylor, dave douglas, uri caine, don byron, george clinton at jvc fest in nyc. see www.festivalproductions.net. just spreading the word, kurt _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Company Week Date: 01 May 2002 19:16:35 +0000 Hello Zorners. Have you noticed that there is already a new Company Week comming up in NYC??? It looks great!!! Last time I thought the lineup was a bit too predicable but this looks better. Some really interesting things might come from this... Hope it will spawn a few recordings at least. If any of you are going, please post comments afterwards... Actually, that's an order :-) Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ May at Tonic: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please visit http://www.tonicnyc.com for details and schedule updates. --Wed, May 15-- through --Sat, May 18-- * Company at 8pm & 10pm With Derek Bailey (guitar), Cyro Baptista (percussion), Miguel Fransconi (handcrafted instruments), Bill Laswell (bass), Ikue Mori (drum machine / power book), Jim O'Rourke (guitar / laptop / laptop / laptop), DJ Olive (turntables), Fred Sherry (cello) & John Zorn (alto sax) plus special guests each night. Please visit http://www.tonicnyc.com for details and schedule updates. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TONIC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 107 Norfolk Street (Between Delancey & Rivington) 212-358-7501 / http://www.tonicnyc.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Bacharach Date: 01 May 2002 17:36:47 -0700 on 4/30/02 2:34 AM, patbor at patbor@buzzle.com wrote: > > Hi list, > > what would You recommend > > of Burt Bacharach's works > > apart from the Costello collaboration? > > Thank You > > - > any Dionne Warwick greatest hits collection that concentrates on her 60s/early 70s stuff. sh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Date: 02 May 2002 09:05:39 +0200 > Dit bericht heeft een MIME-indeling. Aangezien uw e-maillezer deze indeling niet ondersteunt, is dit bericht mogelijk gedeeltelijk of geheel niet leesbaar. --MS_Mac_OE_3103175140_147164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset? Is it worth buying? http://www.japanimprov.com/ greets, Jan Weynants > chromasoom bvba tel 015 26 28 58 fax 015 26 28 58 http://www.chromasoom.be mail@chromasoom.be --MS_Mac_OE_3103175140_147164_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Hello,

Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset?
Is it worth buying?

http://www.japanimprov.com/


greets,

Jan Weynants

>

chromasoom bvba
tel  015 26 28 58
fax 015 26 28 58
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mail@chromasoom.be
--MS_Mac_OE_3103175140_147164_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: improv music from japan 10cd boxset Date: 02 May 2002 09:08:27 +0200 > Dit bericht heeft een MIME-indeling. Aangezien uw e-maillezer deze indeling niet ondersteunt, is dit bericht mogelijk gedeeltelijk of geheel niet leesbaar. --MS_Mac_OE_3103175307_157213_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit sorry, reprise... Hello, Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset? Is it worth buying? Did anyone order it through Metamkine? http://www.japanimprov.com/ greets, Jan Weynants > chromasoom bvba tel 015 26 28 58 fax 015 26 28 58 http://www.chromasoom.be mail@chromasoom.be --MS_Mac_OE_3103175307_157213_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable improv music from japan 10cd boxset sorry, reprise...

Hello,

Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset?
Is it worth buying? Did anyone order it through Metamkine?

http://www.japanimprov.com/


greets,

Jan Weynants

>

chromasoom bvba
tel  015 26 28 58
fax 015 26 28 58
http://www.chromasoom.be
mail@chromasoom.be
--MS_Mac_OE_3103175307_157213_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 02 May 2002 12:48:21 +0200 don´t know where to get this in the US but it´s the worst of all Zorn releases (according to this list several times). Perhaps this is the reason you want to hear it? Andreas np: Peter Kuhn Quartet - The Kill (Soul Note) >From: Theo Klaase > >Apparently there is a CD by a band called >"intergalactic maiden ballet" featuring John Zorn... >Where can I get a copy of this disc? _________________________________________________________________ Testen Sie MSN Messenger für Ihren Online-Chat mit Freunden: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Jorge" Subject: arto& Zorn Date: 02 May 2002 11:11:59 +0000 anywone knows why these 2 stop their colaborations?? _________________________________________________________________ Chegou o novo MSN Explorer. Instale já. É gratuito: http://explorer.msn.com.br - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thierry Raguin Subject: Re: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 02 May 2002 19:09:35 +0200 I don't know this one but personaly, I really don't like Song From The Hermetic Theater... I just bought it and well....there's just some noises... Any comments of this? - TR Andreas Dietz wrote: > don´t know where to get this in the US but it´s the worst of all Zorn > releases (according to this list several times). Perhaps this is the > reason you want to hear it? > > Andreas > > np: Peter Kuhn Quartet - The Kill (Soul Note) > >> From: Theo Klaase >> >> Apparently there is a CD by a band called >> "intergalactic maiden ballet" featuring John Zorn... >> Where can I get a copy of this disc? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Testen Sie MSN Messenger für Ihren Online-Chat mit Freunden: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > - > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 02 May 2002 13:17:44 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F1FD.45E41540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > don=B4t know where to get this in the US but it=B4s the worst of all = Zorn=20 > releases (according to this list several times). Perhaps this is the=20 > reason you want to hear it? While I haven't heard intergalactic maiden ballet, I would have to say that the "worst Zorn release" honor belongs to Joe Piscopo's New Jersey. Not necessarily because of his playing or input (which is pretty minimal), but just the fact that he was even involved in such a thing. Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn actually got involved with said Joe Piscopo album? PS - I actually own this CD, just for the sheer novelty. I picked it up from a bargain bin for one or two bucks. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F1FD.45E41540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: intergalactic maiden ballet

> don=B4t know where to get this in the US but = it=B4s the worst of all Zorn
> releases (according to this list several = times). Perhaps this is the
> reason you want to hear it?

While I haven't heard intergalactic maiden ballet, I = would have to
say that the "worst Zorn release" honor = belongs to Joe Piscopo's
New Jersey. Not necessarily because of his playing = or input
(which is pretty minimal), but just the fact that he = was even
involved in such a thing.

Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn = actually got
involved with said Joe Piscopo album?

PS - I actually own this CD, just for the sheer = novelty. I picked
it up from a bargain bin for one or two = bucks.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F1FD.45E41540-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 02 May 2002 10:33:07 -0700 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3103180387_617296_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 5/2/02 10:17 AM, Andy Marks at andy.marks@wisesolutions.com wrote: Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn actually got involved with said Joe Piscopo album? Hal Willner produced. Terry Adams is on it, too, as is Carla Bley. skip h --MS_Mac_OE_3103180387_617296_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: intergalactic maiden ballet on 5/2/02 10:17 AM, Andy Marks at andy.marks@wisesolutions.com wrote:

Along these lines, does anybody really know how = Zorn actually got
involved with said Joe Piscopo album?

Hal Willner produced.  Terry Adams is on it, too, as is Carla Bley.
skip h --MS_Mac_OE_3103180387_617296_MIME_Part-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Re: Hermetic Theatre Date: 02 May 2002 12:37:14 -0500 >> I don't know this one but personaly, I really don't like Song From The Hermetic Theater... I just bought it and well....there's just some noises... Any comments of this? I have listened to Hermetic Theatre several times while on canal walks. It seemed to make more sense in this setting than sitting in a room listening to it. I can say that I don't like the computer tracks as well as the other ones, but I don't really mind the computer tracks now. I did a lot of thinking about this album and some how I reconciled with myself and it all makes sense. It seems the less I think about these pieces the more I appreciate them; I've found the same to be true with the Parachute Years. I guess it's easy to stop thinking and just listen when you are distracted by the beauty of nature. Hope that helps. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 02 May 2002 10:45:11 -0700 On Thu, 2 May 2002 13:17:44 -0400 Andy Marks wrote: > > While I haven't heard intergalactic maiden ballet, I would have to > say that the "worst Zorn release" honor belongs to Joe Piscopo's > New Jersey. Not necessarily because of his playing or input > (which is pretty minimal), but just the fact that he was even > involved in such a thing. Call it guilty pleasure, but I find the track "Honeymooners Rap" stupidly fun. It does not define a new paradigm in music creativity, that's sure, but fortunately it does not take itself too seriously either. On the other side, I find "Fat Boy" really annoying. > Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn actually got > involved with said Joe Piscopo album? Through Hal Willner, I would guess. > PS - I actually own this CD, just for the sheer novelty. I picked > it up from a bargain bin for one or two bucks. Any release year indicated on it? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Hermetic Theatre Date: 02 May 2002 10:47:07 -0700 >>>I have listened to Hermetic Theatre several times while on canal walks. It seemed to make more sense in this setting than sitting in a room listening to it.<<< I've listened to it several times while having a root canal, and I'm telling you lights go on. It all makes sense. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 02 May 2002 14:32:53 -0400 If you heard Intergalactic Maiden Ballet, you'd understand just why Joe Piscopo can't compare in terms of complete awfulness. At least Piscopo is entertaining; IMB is some of the most tedious, slack-jawed fuzak I've ever heard. THAT's the one that makes me wonder how and why Zorn got involved (and, if I recall correctly, he's only on a couple of cuts anyway). In terms of availability, pretty sure that IMB has been out of print for a few years here in the U.S., but I'd imagine it's still lurking in Germany and maybe even through Cadence. It's on the TipToe label, a still-active branch of Enja. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com On Thu, 2 May 2002 13:17:44 -0400 Andy Marks wrote: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet > don´t know where to get this in the US but it´s the worst of all Zorn > releases (according to this list several times). Perhaps this is the > reason you want to hear it? While I haven't heard intergalactic maiden ballet, I would have to say that the "worst Zorn release" honor belongs to Joe Piscopo's New Jersey. Not necessarily because of his playing or input (which is pretty minimal), but just the fact that he was even involved in such a thing. Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn actually got involved with said Joe Piscopo album? PS - I actually own this CD, just for the sheer novelty. I picked it up from a bargain bin for one or two bucks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorsten_Kr=E4mer?= Subject: AW: improv music from japan 10cd boxset Date: 03 May 2002 12:10:09 +0200 I bought the box from a local shop in Germany just a couple of days ago, but so far i'm very enthusiastic about it. the box itself is beautifully done, with different artwork for all 10 cds and the thick booklet uses a lot of info that won't be found on their website. as for the music, it covers a wide range from old school free jazz to "contemporary" tradtional music for koto and shamisen and of course all varieties of noise. somehow, the 10 cds form some kind of chapters, that is to say the material is organised in a very organic (or smart?) manner. the sound quality varies due to the different sources. with a price of 179 Euro it really is a must have, considering that you would have to pay at least that much for 10 single import cds. hope that helps, thorsten - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Naked City Live Date: 03 May 2002 04:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Well, I've just received my copy of the new Naked City Live and it's really great! It's recorded really loud too. I've always thought Zorn's sax playing was at it's peek in the late 80's early 90's and this CD captures that concept. Frisell was more experimental and interesting too. The track list is really dynamite and the improvs are truly stunning. In many ways this recording stands up taller than the studio versions. I've been waiting years for this release - I hope I don't have to wait years for volume 2. Let's cram Tzadik's e-mail with requests for a Naked City DVD concert! -Theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alastair@pretentious.co.uk Subject: Improvised Music From Japan Date: 03 May 2002 12:50:05 +0100 (BST) ------=_Part_3536_8282763.1020426605893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan Weynants asked >Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset? >Is it worth buying? Did anyone order it through Metamkine? > >http://www.japanimprov.com/ I'd say it's an essential purchase for anyone even vaguely interested in the scene. All the tracks are previously unreleased, so there'll be no overlap with anything you might already have. Discs 1-4 - which concentrate mostly on the onkyo-related scene - are worth the price of admission alone as far as I'm concerned. Nearly half an hour of Otomo spread over three pieces, 5 different Haco projects, and a staggering Yoshimitsu Ichiraku cymbal piece to name just a few of the highlights. I've been entertained, astounded and educated by the whole thing and I've only had the chance to listen to it through once. The booklet is extremely informative, and the whole package is beautiful. It even *smells* great. I ordered it through ReR and it took about a month - apparently they ordered it from Metamkine themselves! The only caveat I would have is that it'll make you go off and buy even more CDs after having your appetite whetted. I know I have a list... Alastair PS Those of you in London might be interested in Dialogue 3 @ The Spitz tomorrow (Saturday) - First European performance for turntable duo BusRatch who are Takahiro Yamamoto and Mori Katsura from Kyoto. Turntablism and experimental music using various objects as such records, stones, metals, cymbals and mousepads. Chant/Hood/ Wastell do a minimal electronic improvisation. Clive Bell plays the shakuhachi flute (Japan) and the Khene mouth organ (Thailand). http://www.spitz.co.uk/events/index.html and I have no financial interest in either the gig or the box set - just evangelisin'. -- Personalised email by http://another.com ------=_Part_3536_8282763.1020426605893-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcel Kranendonk" Subject: Antw: Improvised Music From Japan Date: 03 May 2002 15:42:39 -0700 I bought a few weeks ago through Metamkine: they did a splendid job in packaging and sending the box. On the music: so far I've heard cd's 1 and 2: some amazing electro improv and other stuff. Great wooded box! If you have the money: buy the box and enjoy! Marcel ---------- >Van: alastair@pretentious.co.uk >Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Onderwerp: Improvised Music From Japan >Datum: vri, 3 mei 2002 04:50 > > Jan Weynants asked > > >>Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset? >>Is it worth buying? Did anyone order it through Metamkine? >> >>http://www.japanimprov.com/ > > > I'd say it's an essential purchase for anyone even vaguely interested in > the scene. All the tracks are previously unreleased, so there'll be no > overlap with anything you might already have. Discs 1-4 - which concentrate > mostly on the onkyo-related scene - are worth the price of admission alone > as far as I'm concerned. Nearly half an hour of Otomo spread over three > pieces, 5 different Haco projects, and a staggering Yoshimitsu Ichiraku > cymbal piece to name just a few of the highlights. I've been entertained, > astounded and educated by the whole thing and I've only had the chance to > listen to it through once. The booklet is extremely informative, and the > whole package is beautiful. It even *smells* great. I ordered it through > ReR and it took about a month - apparently they ordered it from Metamkine > themselves! > > The only caveat I would have is that it'll make you go off and buy even > more CDs after having your appetite whetted. I know I have a list... > > Alastair > > PS Those of you in London might be interested in Dialogue 3 @ The Spitz > tomorrow (Saturday) - First European performance for turntable duo BusRatch > who are Takahiro Yamamoto and Mori Katsura from Kyoto. Turntablism and > experimental music using various objects as such records, stones, metals, > cymbals and mousepads. Chant/Hood/ Wastell do a minimal electronic > improvisation. Clive Bell plays the shakuhachi flute (Japan) and the Khene > mouth organ (Thailand). > > http://www.spitz.co.uk/events/index.html > > and I have no financial interest in either the gig or the box set - just > evangelisin'. > > > > > -- > Personalised email by http://another.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSub@aol.com Subject: RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... Date: 03 May 2002 10:38:39 EDT --part1_b8.26e8b216.2a03faef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use to have a dubbed copy of a radio program Live at the Knitting Factory that featured a Naked City show from around the time of the first album - is this the same show as the new cd? Can anyone provide any other details about the Live at KF series? We're there very many and who else was featured? Jeff --part1_b8.26e8b216.2a03faef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use to have a dubbed copy of a radio program Live at the Knitting Factory that featured a Naked City show from around the time of the first album - is this the same show as the new cd?  Can anyone provide any other details about the Live at KF series?  We're there very many and who else was featured?

Jeff
--part1_b8.26e8b216.2a03faef_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Zande Subject: RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... Date: 03 May 2002 11:00:38 -0400 I remember one episode of "Live at the Kintting Factory" with Big John Patton, Frisell, Zen Matsura-drums (sp?) and Zorn. It was pretty hot. Taped it but lost the tape. : ( BZ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: AW: improv music from japan 10cd boxset Date: 03 May 2002 19:11:30 +0000 How are the tracks by Seeichi Yamamoto?? Pretty curious about that. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Melt Banana on Queen tribute Date: 03 May 2002 19:16:49 +0000 This came on the Melt Banana mailing list: "New release: -Queen cover album compilation "Dynamite With A Laserbeam (queen as heard through the meat grinder of three one g)" was released on GSL. MELT-BANANA covered "We will Rock you". Different arrange from usual." Has anybody heard this???? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Andy Moore + Kaffe Mathhews Date: 03 May 2002 19:37:29 +0000 Hello. has anybody heard the heard the new duo CD by Andy Ex & Kaffe Matthews?? Judging from these sound clips, it should be brilliant: http://www.unsounds.com/releases/u02frame.html _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet Date: 04 May 2002 00:39:11 +0200 If anyone wants a copy, i'd be ready to offer my copy for exchange. mail privately. Good condition - it's pretty boring, so i did not listen to it often. Steve's description is pretty accurate. Anyhow, that German band looks to record with guests, and JZ was apparently one of them (I saw their album with some pretty well known trumpet player whose name I forgot) Marcin ----- Original Message ----- > If you heard Intergalactic Maiden Ballet, you'd understand just why Joe Piscopo can't compare in terms of complete awfulness. At least Piscopo is entertaining; IMB is some of the most tedious, slack-jawed fuzak I've ever heard. THAT's the one that makes me wonder how and why Zorn got involved (and, if I recall correctly, he's only on a couple of cuts anyway). > > In terms of availability, pretty sure that IMB has been out of print for a few years here in the U.S., but I'd imagine it's still lurking in Germany and maybe even through Cadence. It's on the TipToe label, a still-active branch of Enja. > > Steve Smith - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Naked City Live Date: 04 May 2002 00:43:06 +0200 Any ideas as to why are there so few interesting musical videos available? The sound quality of a VHS could have been an excuse, but with DVD things are different now. There's a terrific masada live from Warsaw (1995), professionally filmed by the polish television - it's just an example Marcin ----- Original Message ----- > Let's cram Tzadik's e-mail with requests for a Naked > City DVD concert! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Keffer Subject: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 03 May 2002 19:17:45 -0400 Saw this advertised on the Verge Music list. When somebody on the list hears this, a review would be appreciated. The 2 experimental instruments cd/book packages from ellipsis arts=20 were interesting, although the first was far superior to the second. ELLIPSIS ARTS USA Various OHM: the early gurus of electronic music AA-CD3670-3CD Experimental 052296367022 ($44.00 3CD) An anthology of electronic music featuring Clara Rockmore, Olivier Messiaen, Pierre Schaeffer, John Cage, Herbert Eimert / Robert Beyer, Otto Luening, Hugh Le Caine, Louis and Bebe Barron, Oskar Sala, Edgard Varese, Richard Maxfield, Tod Dockstader, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Vladimir Ussachevsky, Milton Babbitt, MEV, Raymond Scott, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Joji Yuasa, Morton Subotnick, David Tudor, Terry Riley, Holger Czukay, Luc Ferarri, Fran=E7ois Bayle, Jean-Claude Risset, Iannis Xenakis, La Monte Young, Charles Dodge, Paul Lansky, Laurie Spiegel, Bernard Parmegiani, David Behrman, John Chowning, Maryanne Amacher, Robert Ashley, Alvin Curran, Alvin Lucier, Klaus Schulze, Jon Hassell and Brian Eno. Includes a 96 pp. book with interviews, commentaries and archival photographs. *CC Thanks. David K. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Please, if anyone can help-- Date: 03 May 2002 19:28:41 -0400 Just received an urgent e-mail, involving a dying man's "LAST WISH". I'm serious. Can any of you experts out there point me in the right direction? "trying to find the lyrics to an old Goebel Reeves song. It is on his album "Hobo's Lullabye. The song I am looking for is " In The Land Of The Never Was" Any help appreciated, Rick Lopez http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 03 May 2002 19:33:50 -0500 This has been out for quite a long time. It's simply essential. It's hard to imagine a better compilation of relatively brief classic electronic works, along with a good booklet about them and their context. On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 07:17:45PM -0400, David Keffer wrote: > > Saw this advertised on the Verge Music list. > > When somebody on the list hears this, a review would be appreciated. > The 2 experimental instruments cd/book packages from ellipsis arts > were interesting, although the first was far superior to the second. > > > ELLIPSIS ARTS USA > > Various > OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > AA-CD3670-3CD Experimental 052296367022 ($44.00 3CD) -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Please, if anyone can help-- Date: 03 May 2002 19:38:40 -0500 On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 07:28:41PM -0400, Rick Lopez wrote: > Just received an urgent e-mail, involving a dying man's "LAST WISH". I'm > serious. Can any of you experts out there point me in the right direction? > > "trying to find the lyrics to an old Goebel Reeves song. It is on his album > "Hobo's Lullabye. The song I am looking for is " In The Land Of The Never > Was" http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/tamborine/175/thesongs/HobosLulaby.htm#Song%20lyrics -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Clarkson Subject: Buzzcocks on Film Date: 04 May 2002 10:02:45 +0100 I think someone was asking about the existence of footage of the Buzzzcocks in their heyday, well - next month at the National Film Theatre in London, there is a season of punk films to celebrate the punk's Silver Jubilee. On June 9th the following is showing : "Punk" : assembled in 1991, "Punk" (tx 18.10.91) includes the key moments from "So It Goes", Granada TV's music series that provided regular & thorough coverage of Punk. Beginning with the first ever Sex Pistols TV appearance from September 1976, this haphazardly networked show featured many Punk groups in the studio or in especially arranged live shows. Plus "B'Dum B'Dum", a 1978 documentary made about buzzcocks by Granada's local programme unit." I imagine that the extracts of the Pistols, Buzzcocks, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Iggy Pop, the Jam & the Clash that appeared in "24 Hour PArty People" are taken from this archive. Further details at www.bfi.org.uk.nft. Phil Clarkson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: absynth Date: 04 May 2002 11:41:50 +0200 finally, I also spent the money for the japan improv box, expecting it to arrive next week from Metamkine. Can't wait for that 'smell'... another question: Does anybody use or know the program 'Absynth', a software synthesizer from Native Instruments? Why is it that after approx. 10 mins the sound fades out, and I have to restart the program? Is that normal? Well, I guess not... Any tips on this? Absynth produces great sound, I want it to work good! Jan Weynants - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: New Tim Sparks Date: 04 May 2002 13:10:09 +0000 This just came on the Aquarius Records mailing list. Pretty funny comment, but I actually do like the sounds clip... Any commets on the rest of the CD? How does it work with the cello added? SPARKS, TIM  "At The Rebbe's Table"  (Tzadik)  cd  16.98       Inoffensive classical guitar jazz in John Zorn's new series of background music for upscale dinner parties, in which the horrors of globalization are discussed without being aware of the irony that all of the guests are sporting clothes from The Gap. RealAudio: http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/sparksreturning.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/sparksathe.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/sparksbeautiful.rm _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 04 May 2002 10:11:56 -0400 Hi David, I can't be objective about this since I'm one of the people who put this together. I can tell you that I wanted a 4th CD because I thought we left out a lot of other worthy people. Sadly, the record company said the logistics of that was impossible so that didn't happen. This would have probably included: Pierre Henry, Luciano Berio, Michael Hoenig, Roger Reynolds, James Tenney, John Appleton, Mario Davidovsky, Gordon Mumma, Gyorgy Ligeti, Henri Pousseur, Olly Wilson, Toshio Mayuzumi, Richard Teitelbaum, Max Matthews, Sun Ra, Charlemaine Palestine, Maggi Payne, Andrew Rudin, Harold Budd, Hans Roedelius. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcel Kranendonk" Subject: Antw: naked city live - listening... Date: 04 May 2002 17:12:12 -0700 > overall great to hear them live. Does anyone know anything about this > gig? Sounds like they were getting ready to record the first album > because the beginning of the set starts like the album. > If I recall correctly NC was playing two shows a night on saturday and sunday in two weekends (so eight shows in total). In the week between the weekends they recorded there first album(s?) I saw seven of these show. Guests on the concerts included Michael Stipe and maybe Arto L. (long time ago: memory fades...) There was also a lady who filmed all the concerts for a PBS documentary on KnitFacory. So there is some DVD-material out there. Marcel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard ladew" Subject: Ground Zero Plays Standards Date: 04 May 2002 13:39:12 -0400 Does anyone know if this is still commercially available? I am having a hell of a time finding it. Any help, opinions on the album etc. would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me privately if you know a way I can obtain this also... Thanks Rich Ladew np: Dave Douglas "Soul On Soul" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard ladew" Subject: NC at the KF Date: 04 May 2002 13:41:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1F371.59448000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What do people think of the first Naked City Live? I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and = extra Morricone track were pretty cool. Hope there are remaining live = discs that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE. I'd love to have = that. Rich Ladew ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1F371.59448000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1F371.59448000-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 04 May 2002 13:53:23 -0500 On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 10:11:56AM -0400, Perfect Sound Forever wrote: > I can't be objective about this since I'm one of the people who put this > together. I can tell you that I wanted a 4th CD because I thought we left > out a lot of other worthy people. Sadly, the record company said the > logistics of that was impossible so that didn't happen. This would have > probably included: Pierre Henry, Luciano Berio, Michael Hoenig, Roger > Reynolds, James Tenney, John Appleton, Mario Davidovsky, Gordon Mumma, > Gyorgy Ligeti, Henri Pousseur, Olly Wilson, Toshio Mayuzumi, Richard > Teitelbaum, Max Matthews, Sun Ra, Charlemaine Palestine, Maggi Payne, > Andrew Rudin, Harold Budd, Hans Roedelius. Did you get as far as creating a proposed tracklist for the fourth CD? I'm curious as to what pieces you would have included and in what order. (Also curious as to how much of this material I already have, and whether I could put it together for my own listening.) -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: NC at the KF Date: 04 May 2002 13:23:04 -0500 There used to be two concerts on the Bunglefever ftp site of Naked City with Mike Patton. I know one was in Vienna, but can't remember where the other one was. I don't think they are still there, but you may be able to find someone that has them. The sound quality isn't very good, but there were some good covers...possible a Parliament song among them. Zach -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of richard ladew Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:41 PM What do people think of the first Naked City Live? =A0 I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and extra Morricone track were pretty cool.=A0 Hope there are remaining live discs that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE.=A0 I'd love to have that. =A0 =A0 Rich Ladew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 04 May 2002 14:49:49 -0400 At 01:53 PM 5/4/2002 -0500, Joseph Zitt wrote: >Sadly, the record company said the > > logistics of that was impossible so that didn't happen. This would have > > probably included: Pierre Henry, Luciano Berio, Michael Hoenig, Roger > > Reynolds, James Tenney, John Appleton, Mario Davidovsky, Gordon Mumma, > > Gyorgy Ligeti, Henri Pousseur, Olly Wilson, Toshio Mayuzumi, Richard > > Teitelbaum, Max Matthews, Sun Ra, Charlemaine Palestine, Maggi Payne, > > Andrew Rudin, Harold Budd, Hans Roedelius. > >Did you get as far as creating a proposed tracklist for the fourth CD? >I'm curious as to what pieces you would have included and in what >order. (Also curious as to how much of this material I already have, >and whether I could put it together for my own listening.) Hi Joseph, Unfortunately, we never got that far. If I was going to make some recommendations off-hand, I'd say that the series on BV Haast/Acousmatrix is a great resource for Posseur, Berio and Koenig: each of their CD's in the series is called "Electronic Works." We might have actually picked out pieces for Budd ("The Oak of Golden Dreams" from the same titled CD with Richard Maxfield on New World) and Roedelius ("Im suden" from "Cluster II") because I vaguely remember interviewing each of them. For everyone else mentioned, a great place to find their music is the Electronic Music Foundation at By the way, the record company wanted to also include Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk. I got the contact information for their management, wrote half-hearted queries to them and didn't cry too much when they both declined as I suspected they would. I actually like both groups but it didn't seem really appropriate to have them there (other than commercial reasons). Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Naked City live date Date: 04 May 2002 19:11:29 +0000 Hello, What date was the Naked City live CD recorded? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Ground Zero Plays Standards Date: 04 May 2002 19:22:02 +0000 Hello. >Does anyone know if this is still commercially available? I am having a >hell of a time finding it. Any help, opinions on the album etc. would be >greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me privately if you know a way I can >obtain this also... It's a masterpiece. Extremely different from what Otomo is doing now. Quite similiar to Naked City, perhaps. Very good selection of compositions, and some of the best musicians in the world. How can you go wrong? You can order it here: http://www.rermegacorp.com/ Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: NC at the KF Date: 04 May 2002 19:26:48 +0000 Hello. >What do people think of the first Naked City Live? > >I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and extra >Morricone track were pretty cool. >Hope there are remaining live discs >that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE. I'd love to have that. I always thought that EYE was far better than Patton. Allright, Patton was better on the "Super Stupid" cover, since it demanded almost "singing" but for freaking out, which most of the vocals were, EYE was far supiriour. I hope there will be live CDs with vocals, though. I think they once played "Leng T'che" with two vocalists, either Eye and Kevin Sharp, or Kevin Sharp and Patton. Either way, it should be a blast. Oh, of course, Zorn often did vocals as well, and he is a very underrated screamer as well. In fact, he is one of the best. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Naked City live Date: 04 May 2002 19:29:23 +0000 Hello. >I saw seven of these show. Guests on the concerts included Michael Stipe >and >maybe Arto L. (long time ago: memory fades...) Michael Stipe?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? >There was also a lady who filmed all the concerts for a PBS documentary on >KnitFacory. So there is some DVD-material out there. Okay, lots flood the Tzadik mailbox.... Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Pop Song Date: 04 May 2002 17:44:40 -0500 Have there been any writings seeking to find what makes a pop song successful? Looking into chords, rhythms, lyrical themes, etc. It seems that pop songs from yesteryear share similarities with modern day pop songs. That could just be my own flawed observation. Thanks. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: MASADA "First Live 1993" Date: 05 May 2002 03:05:01 +0100 (BST) I thought this from the new arrivals list at Aquarius Records would be of interest : MASADA First Live 1993 (Tzadik) cd 16.98 Though an interesting and wonderful document of John Zorn's Ornette Coleman inspired quartet -- fabulously rendered by four of the most amazing performers in the Downtown scene -- we think Tzadik have outdone themselves with the obi strip comments this time around: "How many times do you get the chance to hear the initial meeting of a legendary band? This CD is just that. A diamond in the rough. The absolutely first time the original quartet Masada ever played the music that has made them one of the most exciting bands of modern Jewish music. It's all here -- the fireworks, the telepathic communication -- the Masada magic. Experience the same excitement the musicians felt when they realized the possibilities this very special evening at the old Knitting Factory back in 1993. It all started this night." Sounds like an advert for a major theme park or Vegas attraction. Despite these ridiculous self-applauding comments, this is a fine record by one of the hardest working and tastefully virtuosic jazz outfits of our time. And why is it that Joey Baron is always so damn happy? Maybe Tzadik should put out a video of just him performing. That'd be sweet. They have a point about the obi strip... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 04 May 2002 22:43:12 -0400 Interestingly, from page 10 of the May issue of The Wire: "The Belgian Sub Rosa label is about to release the first instalment of a planned seven volume series of double CDs covering the history of electronic and noise music. 'An Anthology of Noise and Electronic Music Volume 1' includes pieces from Luigi and Antonio Russolo, John Cage, Walter Ruttmann, Pierre Schaeffer, Iannis Xenakis, Gordon Mumma, Nam June Paik, Pauline Oliveros, Konrad Boehmer, Sonic Youth, Ryoji Ikeda, Survival Research Laboratories, Einsturzende Neubauten and many, many more. Roughly half of the material featured in the series has been previously unissued." On the same page, another interesting series is noted: "The American Thirsty Ear label is instigating a small series of collaborative 'man meets machine' CDs. In the pipeline are records featuring Anti-Pop Consortium vs. Matthew Shipp; DJ Spooky with Shipp, William Parker, Guillermo Brown and Joe McPhee; and Spring Heel Jack with Derek Bailey, Han Bennink, Kenny Wheeler and Jason Pierce from Spiritualized." Finally, there's a great big article on cover boy John Oswald, an Invisible Jukebox with El-P (formerly of Company Flow) in which he admits to being a King Crimson fan (!), and a huge review in the back running down most of the recent Derek Bailey issues and reissues. Great job, Rob. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - John Zorn, "Sex Magick," 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: NC at the KF Date: 04 May 2002 22:47:26 -0400 Think I might have heard about that Eye/Sharp "Leng T'che" as well. When I heard "Leng T'che" in September '93, I *think* it was just with Eye. Kevin Sharp did, however, join Pain Killer on another evening during that month, so I might well be remembering incorrectly about the Naked City gig... maybe Sharp was there, too. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - John Zorn, "Sex Magick," 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Gadney Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:27 PM I always thought that EYE was far better than Patton. Allright, Patton was better on the "Super Stupid" cover, since it demanded almost "singing" but for freaking out, which most of the vocals were, EYE was far supiriour. I hope there will be live CDs with vocals, though. I think they once played "Leng T'che" with two vocalists, either Eye and Kevin Sharp, or Kevin Sharp and Patton. Either way, it should be a blast. Oh, of course, Zorn often did vocals as well, and he is a very underrated screamer as well. In fact, he is one of the best. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Naked City live Date: 04 May 2002 22:49:07 -0400 Hey, why not Stipe? He sang a mean version of Moby Grape's "Omaha" with the Golden Palominos... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - John Zorn, "Sex Magick," 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Gadney >I saw seven of these show. Guests on the concerts included Michael Stipe >and >maybe Arto L. (long time ago: memory fades...) Michael Stipe?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBERTO J. LOPEZ" Subject: CD'S FOR SALE Date: 05 May 2002 01:43:27 -0300 Hi: I have 2 cd's extremely hard to find for sale: Tim Berne's Chaos Totale:Nice View-(sealed)JMT-OOP .....20 $ plus s&h ALBOTH: Liebefeld. CD. P.D.C.D.Records.(with Kevin Norton,associated with Zorn in the group God)(Mint Condition).OOP (This Superb Swiss band plays a very experimental form of jazz.).....20 $ plus s&h First contacted first supplied. Thanks ROBERTO JORGE LOPEZ Av. Alvarez Jonte 3785 5* Piso Dto."C" ------C1407GOE---- Buenos Aires Republica Argentina TEL-FAX: 54-11-4566 3278 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: "MUSIC FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL LIBERATION" (Boredoms, etc) Date: 05 May 2002 05:57:14 +0100 (BST) Japanese TV documentary from 1994 hosted by David Hopkins (Public Bath), featuring footage of Boredoms, Hanatarash, Hijokaidan, etc, and being sold as a video on eBay for alot more than what I can afford. If anybody has this and can sort me out, I'd love to see it. Obviously, I'll pay, but not eBay prices... Please DON'T reply to this address, please reply to: blackoperations_uk@hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: arto lindsay? Date: 05 May 2002 12:09:15 +0200 does anyone know what's up with arto lindsay? he released his last cd two years ago and since then i heard nothing about him. is he busy with other projects that i haven't heard of? Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/ np: Jeck / Yoshihide / Tetreault (Sub Rosa) Vainio / Fennesz / Vainio (Sub Rosa) Van Bergen / Prins / Fennesz - Dawn (Grob) Reinhold Friedl / Elliott Sharp - Anostalgia (Grob) -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: arto lindsay? Date: 05 May 2002 12:49:36 +0200 Hello Tim, New CD "Invoke" is coming out on June 25. The list of musicians on it makes me believe that it will be in the same quasi-Brazilian style as four previous ones. Sunday, May 5, 2002, you wrote to me: TB> does anyone know what's up with arto lindsay? he released his last cd TB> two years ago and since then i heard nothing about him. is he busy TB> with other projects that i haven't heard of? NP: Marilyn Crispell "Live at Mills College, 1995" (CD) -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 05 May 2002 12:41:35 +0000 Hello all, >Spring Heel Jack with Derek Bailey, Han >Bennink, Kenny Wheeler and Jason Pierce from Spiritualized." ????? Any more info on this??? >NP - John Zorn, "Sex Magick," 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik) What's it like???????????????????????????????? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: NC at the KF Date: 05 May 2002 12:46:34 +0000 Hello. >Think I might have heard about that Eye/Sharp "Leng T'che" as well. When I >heard "Leng T'che" in September '93, I *think* it was just with Eye. Kevin >Sharp did, however, join Pain Killer on another evening during that month, >so I might well be remembering incorrectly about the Naked City gig... >maybe >Sharp was there, too. Well, for sure a video exists with Naked City + two vocalists. And I know one of them is Kevin Sharp. I think perhaps the other one is wearing a mask, which makes it hard to tell. But, thinking about it again, I'm not sure that they play Leng T'che. Maybe I'm mixing something up. Personally I always thought that Naked City was not in top form for their concerts during the Zornfest, so I hope that's not the rest of the live albums. Around 1990 they *really* ripped on the Torture Garden material. Also some of the last concert in 1992 are incredibly, because they really play *everything*. Zorn's old game pieces, hard core stuf, MILLIONS of covers including Albert Collins stuff and so on..... Mayeba live CD from the last concert would be great. I mean the last before the Zornfest reunion. >NP - John Zorn, "Sex Magick," 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik) What's it like????? Oh wait, I already asked about that. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: RE: Naked City live Date: 05 May 2002 12:48:16 +0000 >Hey, why not Stipe? He sang a mean version of Moby Grape's "Omaha" with the >Golden Palominos... Yea yea, and Whitney Huston sang with Material, but.... What did Stipe actually perform?? Not "Demon Sanctuary" I suspect! Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: arto lindsay? Date: 05 May 2002 12:52:30 +0000 >New CD "Invoke" is coming out on June 25. The list of musicians on it >makes me believe that it will be in the same quasi-Brazilian style as >four previous ones. > Who's playing on it? I can't find any info. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: arto lindsay? Date: 05 May 2002 16:33:19 +0200 Hello Arthur, Here is the list: Arto Lindsay (vocals, guitar); Davi Moraes (acoustic & electric guitars, drums); Melvin Gibbs (guitar, keyboards, bass, programming); Andres Levin (guitar, keyboards, programming); Avey Tare (guitar, piano); Stephen Barber (guitar, keyboards); Vinicius Cantuaria (guitar, percussion); Cesar Mendes, Lucio Maia (guitar); Marivaldo Paim (regent); Bobby Malach (clarinet); Sandy Park (violin); Mark Batson, Peter Scherer, Geologist, Deaken (keyboards). Producers: Arto Lindsay, Melvin Gibbs, Kassin, Berna Ceppas. Sunday, May 5, 2002, you wrote to me: >>New CD "Invoke" is coming out on June 25. The list of musicians on it >>makes me believe that it will be in the same quasi-Brazilian style as >>four previous ones. >> AG> Who's playing on it? I can't find any info. NP: DJ Logic "The Anomaly" (CD) -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: arto lindsay? Date: 05 May 2002 15:58:36 +0000 Hello! Thanks. Wauw, *nine* guitar players?! Cheers, >Here is the list: >Arto Lindsay (vocals, guitar); Davi Moraes (acoustic & electric >guitars, drums); Melvin Gibbs (guitar, keyboards, bass, programming); >Andres Levin (guitar, keyboards, programming); Avey Tare (guitar, >piano); Stephen Barber (guitar, keyboards); Vinicius Cantuaria >(guitar, percussion); Cesar Mendes, Lucio Maia (guitar); Marivaldo >Paim (regent); Bobby Malach (clarinet); Sandy Park (violin); Mark >Batson, Peter Scherer, Geologist, Deaken (keyboards). Producers: Arto >Lindsay, Melvin Gibbs, Kassin, Berna Ceppas. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Drury Subject: scelsi and stockhausen in boston Date: 05 May 2002 13:13:56 -0400 Three breakthrough pieces by Giacinto Scelsi (Rucke di Guck, Okanagon for harp, gong, and bass, and Trio for Strings) alongside Stockhausen's Set Sail for the Sun will be performed Monday May 5, 9:30pm in Cambridge, MA, at Mama Gaia's Cafe, 401 Mass. Ave (near the corner of Main St). Performers are the Callithumpian Consort directed by Stephen Drury. A small donation is requested at the door. This concert was originally part of the Zeitgeist Gallery series, relocated due to their recent fire. Come and support the Zeitgeist and new music! --steve info on SICPP 2002 now available at http://www.stephendrury.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: IAO, blow by blow... Date: 05 May 2002 15:16:22 -0400 Don't read this message if you don't want to know what Zorn's new 'IAO' sounds like in some detail (not that I think I can really capture the thing in words alone...). Though I don't normally do this, I'll give you some spoiler space, in case you want to delete this without seeing anything. I rather liked not knowing anything about it in advance except for Zorn's promotional description; it made it all the more surprising. But if you, like Arthur, want to know what it's like, read on... + + + + + + + three... + + + + + + + two... + + + + + + + one... + + + + + + + John Zorn, 'IAO - Music in Sacred Light' (Tzadik 7338) John Zorn, Jamie Saft, Cyro Baptista, Jim Pugliese, Greg Cohen, Beth Hatton, Jennifer Charles, Rebecca Moore, Bill Laswell, Mike Patton (listed more or less in order of overall prominence) Gorgeous packaging, wrapped in a pure white O-card with the title in ornate, raised lettering on the front and a magickal symbol on the back. Instead of a booklet, four individual and very similar insert cards, gold on one side with more magickal symbols, black and bone-white on the other with invocations, personnel ("spirits") and track listings (subtitled "Part the First," "Part the Second," etc.) Tray card has a photo, printed in gold, of what looks like a figure burning on a staircase. Back cover is a goat's head on a pentagram. The disc itself has the title again in raised black lettering on a black disc, like a Haino release. 1. "Invocation" (7:06) - Organ and chiming cup-gongs, rustling noises, more organ and scraping percussion, bull-roarer. (It strikes me that the percussion effects are quite similar to those used in the recent concert work 'Rituals.') A knife being sharpened, a growing roar of cymbals, gongs and white noise, panning from left to right and back again. Jingling keys over a vocal-sounding synth patch. Spooky and mysterious, like the soundtrack for a black magick video (possibly the Kenneth Anger connection?). Disembodied groans and bass drum. Wooden percussion and deeper gongs, more organ. Dripping water. Ghostly voices: Gregorian chant-like tones and hissing ghouls. Piercing organ tones over metallic groans. 2. "Sex Magick" - (13:13) Beautifully recorded all-percussion track: A slow-burning ritualistic tour de force for Cyro, possibly even overdubbed solo but just as likely a duet with Pugliese and perhaps a third player just keeping time with a shaker. The recording itself has the tactile, physical presence of the Latin percussion workouts on Kip Hanrahan's late '80s albums, which are still a high point in percussion recording for me. May become boring for non-percussion freaks, but I love the tiny, minute various in touch and timbre. 3. "Sacred Rites of the Left Hand Path" (6:25) - Begins with ringing electric piano arpeggios, then adds organ chords and piano figures, hand percussion, breathy sounds. Greg Cohen's deep, plummy bass joins in at about 1:50 as the density increases gradually. Alternatingly romantic and nervous piano figures over the top; cocktail lounge Ligeti. More deep breathy sounds. Again, like movie music: Repeat as necessary. Ends with a groan. 4. "The Clavicle of Solomon" (9:22) - Squelchy sine-waves, subterranean rumbles, lap-top noises. Might even be a solo lap-top intro for all I know; a lot of the typical lap-top sound markers are here. Organ jabs in the background create a pulse. (I keep getting distracted, because one of the repetitive sounds in the mix makes me think my telephone is ringing outside my headphones.) Synthesized ghouls and purring, quarrelling machine sounds. Whistling, twittering, burbling, underpinned with synth choruses. 5. "Lucifer Rising" (5:17) - Gorgeous, ghostly three-part female chorus. Lovely, spooky chords. One of the voices emerges and begins to whisper and moan, "We can't... We can't..." and other undiscernable things. A distant keyboard ostinato enters and exits here and there. Did I mention it's really spooky? 6. "Leviathan" (3:13) - Here's the black metal track. Laswell sounds bigger than Godzilla's balls. The drumming is too multi-directional for this to be conventional metal, though... it's a pretty overwhelming onslaught. This is where Patton really gets to freak out in his finest approximation of Eye, as well, though he's so far back in the mix that it plays the role of another instrument. There's a guitar freaking out in the distance, as well; no idea who's playing it (Saft?) or if it's sampled. A colossal wall of sound and fury, ending abruptly. 7. "Mysteries" (5:47) - Water gong and chiming electric piano create an instant repose after the former. The piano wanders on in a bluesy cast, almost like an Angelo Badalamenti 'Twin Peaks' out-take, while percussive sounds ping and pong and clatter all 'round. I have no clue whether this will be anyone's favorite new Zorn release, but I personally can't remember having this much fun and encountering so many unexpected departures in a while. Amusing, fascinating, inscrutable... pretty much everything I hope for in a new Zorn project. Now, on to Naked City, about which I expect to have little to add to the ongoing conversation - everyone's pretty much covered it, I'd imagine... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Naked City, "Latin Quarter," 'Naked City Live, Vol. 1' (Tzadik) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Fred Frith + Aki Takase Date: 05 May 2002 19:31:51 +0000 Hey, Anybody heard of the Aki Takase Blues Project? Frith is touring with them in Europe this summer, and I'm wondering if I should go. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: IAO, blow by blow... Date: 05 May 2002 19:33:34 +0000 Thanks Steve! Sound like a rather bizarre record, and quite different from other Zorn discs. Yes, this is definately somthing I'm gonna buy! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: FW: the early gurus of electronic music Date: 05 May 2002 15:40:07 -0400 Jan Weynants was kind enough to send me more information about the new electronic music series coming from Sub Rosa, but I think he meant this information to be shared with everyone. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Naked City, "Inside Straight," 'Naked City Live, Vol. 1' (Tzadik) ===== i received this some time ago from the sub rosa maillist. since the ohm-discs are discussed, i guess this will interest everyone... jan Weynants VA : AN ANTHOLOGY OF NOISE & ELECTRONIC MUSIC * an anthology of noise & electronic music * first a-chronology 1921-2001 * volume 1 digipack 2 cd + 24 pages booklet SR190 barcode 5411867111900 EFA 27680-2 ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ AN UNPUBLISHED HISTORY this is the great beginning of a vast anthology of "noise and electronic music" that we plan for the following years in 7 double volumes. this volume begins in the 1920s, with the Russolo brothers, and looks at each decade in turn - Varčse, Cage, Schaeffer, Xenakis, the great pioneers - the first traces of a music that was necessarily revolutionary: electronic music, created from nothing (and hence to be entirely invented). some pieces on these CDs are certainly classics, but there are others, which, though old, were distributed informally or never even released. our more contemporary pieces are, wherever possible, previously unreleased. This volume begins in the 1920s, with the Russolo brothers, and looks at each decade in turn - Varčse, Cage, Schaeffer, Xenakis, the great pioneers - the first traces of a music that was necessarily revolutionary: electronic music, created from nothing (and hence to be entirely invented). some pieces on these CDs are certainly classics, but there are others, which, though old, were distributed informally or never even released. our more contemporary pieces are, wherever possible, previously unreleased. in fact, more than the half of what we listen here is unreleased and unpublished. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ THE GATHERING OF ECLECTIC NOISE MAKERS whereas composers like Stockhausen, Berio or Pousseur had come from serialism and began making electronic music as a continuation of their work with traditional instruments, others such as Boehmer or Oliveros composed right away on electronic bases; there were those who invented new methods, like Schaeffer and concrete music, others were outsiders, revolutionaries or visionaries like Xenakis or Cage, without forgetting the branch of sound derived from dada, the complex forms of free jazz, John Coltrane, the acoustic and electronic improvisation scene, rock of the alternative, psychedelic and industrial varieties, the German wave of the 1970s, the last generation of electronic musicians from the beginning or middle of the 1990s, DJs, reinventors of drones, painters or sculptors using sound, and process or software creators. The noise goes onŠ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ WHAT CONTAINS THIS FIRST EDITIONŠ Luigi and Antonio Russolo * 1921 John Cage * 1965 Sonic Youth * 1983 Einsturzende Neubauten * 1998 Walter Ruttman * 1930 Pierre Schaeffer * 1948 Iannis Xenakis * 1958 Paul D. Miller aka dj Spooky That Subliminal Kid * 2001 Gordon Mumma * 1965 Angus Maclise, Tony Conrad and John Cale * 1965 Philip Jeck, Otomo Yoshihide and Martin Tétreault * 2000 Survival Research Laboratories * 1992 Konrad Boehmer * 1966 Nam June Paik * 1958-59 Henri Pousseur * 1957 Edgard Varčse * 1958 Pauline Oliveros * 1966 Ryoji Ikeda * 1997 curated by guy-marc hinant ____________________________________________________________________________ __ file under: early electronic ref: SR190 full lenght 2cd street release date: late April 2002 ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ * sub rosa 45 avenue de woluwe st lambert 1200 brussels belgium - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Fred Frith + Aki Takase Date: 05 May 2002 22:57:10 +0200 AG> Anybody heard of the Aki Takase Blues Project? Frith is touring with them in AG> Europe this summer, and I'm wondering if I should go. i only listened to the cd (st. louis blues ) ones, but for me it sounded more like a takase / mahall project. but if you get the chance, try to visit one of their concerts. not because of frith, but because of rudi mahall. he is one of the most interesting german musicians right now... Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/ -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Smey" Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 05 May 2002 18:47:36 -0400 > Have there been any writings seeking to find what makes a pop song > successful? One problem with your question is the word "successful." Do you mean commercially successful or artistically successful? I'm sure everybody on this list would agree that many "hits" aren't really good (e.g., "La Vida Loca") either from a technical musical standpoint (because the chords, rhythms, etc. aren't interesting) or an aesthetic standpoint (because we really don't like them and wish they weren't so popular). (A lot of people would argue that what *really* makes songs commercially successful these days is marketing/fashion/image and even corrupt corporate practices like payola (paying to have songs played.)) > Looking into chords, rhythms, lyrical themes, etc. One study you might like (at least from the standpoint of harmony) is Walter Everett's _The Beatles as Musicians_. It's in two volumes. > It > seems that pop songs from yesteryear share similarities with modern day > pop songs. That could just be my own flawed observation. There are songs being written that seem similar to old songs (I assume you mean like tin pan alley, 1940s & 50s), and some are interesting harmonically, etc. (Like, for instance, Elliot Smith really pleases my harmonic & melodic senses.) But you have to ask yourself if you are focusing on these songs because you have old-fashioned taste, or what. Or you can get away with it by defining "pop song" more strictly that a normal person would. You could say that Kid Rock, "Cowboy" (or whatever that song is called) isn't a pop song at all, it's something else, and ignore everything like that. In my opinion, doing so is a fancy way of having old-fashioned taste. Not that there's anything wrong with that, you just have to be honest about how you are defining your terms. That's my (warped) perspective. Hopefully others can point out more pop song analysis works that you might like. Have fun, Dave Smey Thanks. > > Zach > > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 05 May 2002 16:16:55 -0700 on 5/5/02 3:47 PM, Dave Smey at dsmey@mindspring.com wrote: > One problem with your question is the word "successful." Do you mean > commercially successful or artistically successful? I'm sure everybody on > this list would agree that many "hits" aren't really good (e.g., "La Vida > Loca") either from a technical musical standpoint (because the chords, > rhythms, etc. aren't interesting) or an aesthetic standpoint (because we > really don't like them and wish they weren't so popular). Actually, I thought "La Vida Loca" was interesting from just about every standpoitn except the lyrics. Nice horn arrangement, good use of texture (not the usual processed soup but some nice timbal and horn section stuff), decent polyrhythmic inferrence, and a nice groove. Definitely an improvement over a lot of other Top 40 solo singers (Celine, Shania etc). > (A lot of people > would argue that what *really* makes songs commercially successful these > days is marketing/fashion/image and even corrupt corporate practices like > payola (paying to have songs played.)) This, too, would explain much. > But you have to ask yourself if you are > focusing on these songs because you have old-fashioned taste, or what. > Or you can get away with it by defining "pop song" more strictly that a > normal person would. You could say that Kid Rock, "Cowboy" (or whatever > that song is called) isn't a pop song at all, it's something else, and > ignore everything like that. In my opinion, doing so is a fancy way of > having old-fashioned taste. Not that there's anything wrong with that, you > just have to be honest about how you are defining your terms. I don't understand what makes conventional song structure -- or a taste for it -- old fashioned. It's like saying subways are old-fashioned. They're certainly still a viable form of transportation and fullfill a vital role in contemporary life. So do Merle Haggard, Dave Alvin, and a whole bunch of people who write songs in the venerated sense. There's a difference between time-honored and old fashioned. As Schoenberg said, there's still a lot of new music to be written in C. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: Pop Song Date: 05 May 2002 18:44:53 -0500 When I say successful, I mean songs that people enjoy and thus pay for (so commercial success has something to do with it). There are songs that seem to permeate our culture, Like "The Piano Man" or that Green Day song of a couple years ago. I look at these as pop songs. Songs that just about "every one" sings along with. Songs that show up in a lots of TV ads or movies. Songs that lots of people at least recognize. Also as successful, there's songs that give people a feeling. I don't know if it's the melody, the harmony, the lyrics or what, but they give people a feeling that they like. A tingle in the spin and lump in the throat...what ever you want to call it. Not just certain people (I'm sure Zorn gets a lot us), but a vast majority of people. To me that points to some kind of almost archetypal quality to these songs. I see that kind of quality in music from all time periods, whether I personally like them or not. I've also found that there are certain songs that annoy me to no end, but still elicit an emotional reaction. Those I see as successful pop songs. I agree with Skip on the La Vida Loca count. Ricky can present the lyrics well, even if they aren't the best, and man can he shake those hips... Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 05 May 2002 20:30:23 -0500 On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 06:47:36PM -0400, Dave Smey wrote: > I'm sure everybody on > this list would agree that many "hits" aren't really good (e.g., "La Vida > Loca") either from a technical musical standpoint (because the chords, > rhythms, etc. aren't interesting) or an aesthetic standpoint (because we > really don't like them and wish they weren't so popular). Well, some of us think it's a good song. -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Smey" Subject: pop song Date: 05 May 2002 21:10:00 -0400 > When I say successful, I mean songs that people enjoy and thus pay for > (so commercial success has something to do with it). There are songs > that seem to permeate our culture, Like "The Piano Man" or that Green > Day song of a couple years ago. I look at these as pop songs. Songs > that just about "every one" sings along with. Songs that show up in a > lots of TV ads or movies. Songs that lots of people at least recognize. > What about songs that seem great to you (and maybe even to lots of critics), but fail to become hits? Successful? [oops, forgot to send to list, sorry.] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 05 May 2002 21:33:38 EDT at the media school i am presently a student at, our music business textbook declares a good "pop" song meets the following criteria: instantly catchy (it must grab your attention immediately and supply the hook as soon as possible - therefor eliminating any sort of intro or build-up) (i can think of thousands of exceptions to that one) must have an element of mystery (lyrically should answer some questions while supplying you with even more questions) (just what where they throwing off the tallahassee bridge? ; ) must be about 3 and a half minutes long (to be radio friendly and not bore consumer suffering from A.D.D.) (i can also think of tons of longer and shorter "hits" - sleepwalk by santo and johnny (quite short), inna gadda da vida by steppenwolf (long as all hell), paranoid android by radiohead, how bout every ramones tune coming in under two minutes - that kinda leaves you wanting more - which is an attractive trait in a song often times - atleast to me) good song structure or well crafted (this is very general, but most pop hits are the standard verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, double chorus) (often the bridge is even thrown out all together or the solo section replaces it) (see nirvana's "verse chorus verse" aka "sappy") then the book goes on to say in order for "success" to happen the artist must be attractive and ready to conform to the rules of the corporation that surrounds them...basically be a damn puppet without any artistic control. i could be more detailed about this, but the books out in my car and it's raining right now. you all probably think this is as foolish as i do. i hope you do. i feel that in most commercially succesful tunes you'll find a ton of similarities in song structure, but not nearly as often or as obvious similarites in melodic content. (although i think the chords to louie louie are a sure thing - see: "wild thing", weezer's "undone" etc. etc.) (also that old fifties chord progression always gets me in every song i hear it in - you know...that "blue moon" progression - C to A to F to G in 6/8 time) maybe we should get a little list going of unconventional "hits" that can't be explained by the above criteria....what do ya think? -mt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 05 May 2002 19:56:16 -0700 On Sunday, May 5, 2002, 6:33:38 PM, RainDog138 wrote: Rac> inna gadda da vida by steppenwolf (long as all hell), Aside from the obvious howler here, it should be noted that the 7" edit (the one that *sold* all those records) was 2:53. -- Jim Flannery mailto:newgrange@sfo.com np: Zingaro/Lee, _Western Front Vancouver 1996_ nr: Wolff, _Burn Rate_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorsten_Kr=E4mer?= Subject: Intellectual satanism Date: 06 May 2002 13:16:27 +0200 So everyone is excited about "IAO" but I have to say that I'm rather annoyed by the theme of Zorn's new 'major work'. Let me explain: Although there is this liberal, enlightened view of satanism as emancipatory philosopy and repressed knowledge etc., it nevertheless deals with ritual sacrifices and/or raping. It would be very hard to deny the violent and anti-human aspects of satanism. So why all this indulgence in late 19th century romanticism, seeing the satanistic and occult as some kind of avant-garde? To me, Charles Manson isn't any cooler than Adolf Hitler. For someone like Zorn who has recorded "Kristallnacht", isn't it rather silly to flirt with satanism? I'd really like to hear some opinions on this... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Intellectual satanism Date: 06 May 2002 12:06:26 +0000 Hello. >Although there is >this liberal, enlightened view of satanism as emancipatory philosopy and >repressed knowledge etc., it nevertheless deals with ritual sacrifices >and/or raping. No it doesn't. >It would be very hard to deny the violent and anti-human >aspects of satanism. Most satanist say that they might as well call their belief for secular humanism. Basically it's the same thing. Read the sources, not the tabloids. Personally, I think satanism as founded by Anton Lavey is personal ultraliberalism. Very narrow minded and not helpful. >Charles Manson isn't any cooler than Adolf Hitler. This is just ridiclious and out of perportions. >For someone like >Zorn who has recorded "Kristallnacht", isn't it rather silly to flirt with >satanism? I'd really like to hear some opinions on this... So your point is that people should not make artistic works about negative subjects? Please..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Aki Takase Blues Project, + Frith Date: 06 May 2002 12:20:47 +0000 Hello, I found a little info on the Aki Takase Blues Project CD: http://www.jazzrecords.com/enja/9130.htm It looks very interesting. It's certainly a great lineup. The description makes it sounds very "straight", which is rather surprising! Of course, it's wellknown that Frith is a huge fan of blues and have been inspired by it since he first picked up the guitar, but it's very rare to here him actually play it. In fact, it's very strange to here him play *anything* straight!! How "mainstream" is this CD actually? Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 08:44:53 EDT Growing up in an Atheist family and being the only one I knew of until I was a teenager, "satanic" music is what really helped me get through childhood. I discovered Slayer at 10 and grew my hair and had shirts with demons on them. Everyone would tell me I was going to hell and I would just laugh at how seriously they would take it. To me, satanism in music has always been a shield against the force fed religion I encounter in life. Thank god for satanism. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 08:34:35 -0400 >Have there been any writings seeking to find what makes a pop song >successful? Looking into chords, rhythms, lyrical themes, etc. It >seems that pop songs from yesteryear share similarities with modern day >pop songs. That could just be my own flawed observation. Thanks. >Zach i just saw a cd that was put together by Dave Soldier and 2 Russian musicians/art weirdos where they did some kind of survey on what aspects of music people liked, and which they didn't. based on these results, they assembled "the world's most popular song" and "the world's least popular song" (or titles to that effect). of course the DJ before me played the least popular song (around 20 minutes), which wasn't nearly as awful as anything Mariah Carey has recorded, but had asian tonalities and things that don't generally appeal to a western listener. i sure wish i could remember the title... sean - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Arto? and a last word on Cicala Mvta Date: 06 May 2002 13:26:37 +0000 >New CD "Invoke" is coming out on June 25. The list of musicians on it >makes me believe that it will be in the same quasi-Brazilian style as >four previous ones. BBC Radio 3's brilliant show Mixing It played the title track from 'Invoke' a couple of weeks back and it was more of the same, although he tries hard to put a different slant on it each time. I checked out the Ruins Magabaitsu site the other day and Tatsuya Yoshida was playing drums with Cicala Mvta somewhere in Tokyo - that I would like to see! Dave _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Nicholas Collins Date: 06 May 2002 13:32:57 +0000 Dear Zornies, I'm calling on your collective expertise here. I have a knackered old recording of a track by Nicholas Collins and the Soldier String Quartet. I think the album it was off was called 'It was a dark and stormy night' and the track was 'Broken Light no.1'. The quartet are playing along to a skipping CD player - kind of Cartoon S&M meets Oval. I guess the album has long since been deleted, but if anyone has any info about it I'd love to know more. Thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: CD'S FOR SALE Date: 06 May 2002 10:27:03 +0100 * "ROBERTO J. LOPEZ" : >ALBOTH: Liebefeld. CD. P.D.C.D.Records.(with Kevin Norton, >associated with Zorn in the group God) Err ... that'd be Kevin Martin. He produced the LP, but doesn't play on it. -P NP: Wibutee - "Newborn Thing" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 16:32:08 +0200 (CEST) Hi, I don't really understand why someone growing up in an Atheist family would embrace "satanism" in any sense. My family is religious but I'm an atheist. My reaction was not going against Cristianism by "supporting" the opposite, but just ignoring the existance of something "beyond our understanding". For me, satanism it's just another way of belief in something that's never been proved, just as bad or incoherent as any other religious cult. Zorn has always taken unexpected directions all through his career and this is probably just one more. I don't think this goes beyond a taste for Satanist aesthetics, just as happened with S/M during the NC period, IMHO. Anyway, it'll be good to open discussions as happened with the Zionist or Japanese girls issues. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Tom Waits "Blood Money" > > Growing up in an Atheist family and being the only > one I knew of until I was > a teenager, "satanic" music is what really helped me > get through childhood. > I discovered Slayer at 10 and grew my hair and had > shirts with demons on > them. Everyone would tell me I was going to hell > and I would just laugh at > how seriously they would take it. To me, satanism > in music has always been a > shield against the force fed religion I encounter in > life. Thank god for > satanism. > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 10:57:49 -0400 Fascinating topic. Obviously, no final answers here (entire books have been written about this). As someone pointed out, a lot of the answers will depend on semantics. Usually, we think of 'pop' as 'popular music,' or music that tops the music charts. There's also the notion (put forward by Simon Frith among others) that popular music means 'music of the people'- the music that everyone knows well. This would include songs like "Happy Birthday" or "Auld Lang Syne." Robert Christgau also had an interesting take on this, christening some music as 'semi-popular.' This was music that was created with a pop sound (catchy melody, universal lyrics, etc.) but weren't very popular in the marketplace because of indie status or such. In my eyes, all of these things are 'pop.' One barometer used to be American Bandstand. That's where Dick Clark had teens rate records (some surely being paid off backstage) and give the famous line for a good record, "it's got a good beat and you can dance to it." Now we have MTV's Total Request Live to tell us what's "good music"... Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Arto? and a last word on Cicala Mvta Date: 06 May 2002 15:02:48 +0000 Hello, >BBC Radio 3's brilliant show Mixing It played the title track from 'Invoke' >a couple of weeks back and it was more of the same, although he tries hard >to put a different slant on it each time. What's the slant this time? >I checked out the Ruins Magabaitsu site the other day and Tatsuya Yoshida >was playing drums with Cicala Mvta somewhere in Tokyo - that I would like >to >see! No problem. They are going to tour Europe this summer, including Yoshida: 20.06. A-Wien, Szene 21.06. A-Wels, Schlachthof 23.06. NL-Rotterdam, Roots Open Air 25.06. CH-Zürich, Moods 28.06. DK-Roskilde, Festival 02.07. Halle, Objekt 5 03.07. Marburg, KFZ 04.07. Bremen, Schlachthof 06.07. Duisburg, Traumzeit-Festival "more dates to come" http://www.tropical-music.com/html/inhalt_e/tourdates.html Has anybody heard the new CD, "Deko Boko"? I heard one mp3 excerpt, which was very nice. But very unlike anything I have ever heard Yoshida do before, though! Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorsten_Kr=E4mer?= Subject: AW: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 17:16:50 +0200 Hello Arthur, thanks for your advice. >Read the sources, not the tabloids. Here's what I did. I picked any book by Aleister Crowley at amazon.com and googled for "Thelema", a term I figured essential from the reviews. At www.thelema.org there's that "Book Of The Law", where it says in the third chapter: "23. For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood. 24. The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what. 25. This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another use; let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: it shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto me. 26. These slay, naming your enemies; & they shall fall before you." So I guess this is only to be taken on a metaphorical level? >So your point is that people should not make artistic works about negative >subjects? Please..... No. My point is that people should not make artistic works about the negative effects of one "evil" ideology (nazism) and then a couple of years later make artistic works promoting another "evil" ideology (satanism) as some kind of campy avant-garde fun. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 11:40:51 -0400 >Usually, we think of 'pop' as 'popular music,' >or music that tops the music charts. Which would also include music that's stylistically similar since most pop music isn't actually popular in terms of sales. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors Subject: alasnoaxis - splay Date: 06 May 2002 08:43:16 -0700 (PDT) after all the hype two years ago with jim black's first album I am wondering if this second album lives up to the first one. Knowing these guys I would bet on it. hoping my copy is in the mail today np- PINK [this is what happens when I take my headphones off] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arthur Rother Subject: Re: Arto? and a last word on Cicala Mvta Date: 07 May 2002 00:37:51 +0900 > I checked out the Ruins Magabaitsu site the other day and Tatsuya > Yoshida was playing drums with Cicala Mvta somewhere in Tokyo - that I > would like to see! where is that site, i am in tokyo right now, so would like to find dates, arthur - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: AW: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 15:48:11 +0000 Hello. >So I guess this is only to be taken on a metaphorical level? If you want to have a theological discussion about how Crowley relates to satanism, and whatever that term might mean, okay, but it's far of topic and not relevant. It's a good discussion, but lets save it for later or take it elsewhere. For the Zorn list, lets stick with the following: >then a couple of years >later make artistic works promoting another "evil" ideology (satanism) as >some kind of campy avant-garde fun. Do you think this is the way Zorn feels about his work? Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Cicala Mvta + Han Bennink in Japan Date: 06 May 2002 15:52:50 +0000 Hello, >>I checked out the Ruins Magabaitsu site the other day and Tatsuya >>Yoshida was playing drums with Cicala Mvta somewhere in Tokyo - that I >>would like to see! > >where is that site, i am in tokyo right now, so would like to find dates, http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Kouen/9347/live.html And while you are there, for Gods sake don't miss Han Bennink playing with Japanese musicians!!!: http://www.japanimprov.com/japantour/bennink/schedule.html I figure the show with Seechi Yamamoto should be particularly cool. Please post reviews, if you manage to get to any of it....! Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Re: Arto? and a last word on Cicala Mvta Date: 06 May 2002 16:03:27 +0000 >>I checked out the Ruins Magabaitsu site the other day and Tatsuya >>Yoshida was playing drums with Cicala Mvta somewhere in Tokyo - that I >>would like to see! > >where is that site, i am in tokyo right now, so would like to find dates, > >arthur > Lucky you! The address is http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Kouen/9347/ruins.html Unfortunately, the gig's already been and gone. Sorry if I got your hopes up. I wouldn't know where else to look on the web. If your Japanese is up to it you could try www.japanimprov.com. And if you're really lucky you might find something in Pia or Tokyo Walker magazines. Gambatte ne Dave _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arthur Rother Subject: Re: Cicala Mvta + Han Bennink in Japan Date: 07 May 2002 01:13:58 +0900 > http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Kouen/9347/live.html Mmh, that was in march . . . > And while you are there, for Gods sake don't miss Han Bennink playing > with Japanese musicians!!!: > > http://www.japanimprov.com/japantour/bennink/schedule.html already had an ad in my pocket of this one, but i am leaving on the 14th already, and the 13th i am invited for dinner by a woman who i met selling kimonos at an antiek market, can't say no. but if anybody likes to come, i am invited to play with two japanese improvisers at a gallery 'le deco' in shibuya area, starting at 19:30 arthur - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Arthur Rother Subject: Re: Cicala Mvta + Han Bennink in Japan Date: 07 May 2002 01:17:41 +0900 > but if anybody likes to come, i am invited to play with two japanese > improvisers at a gallery 'le deco' in shibuya area, starting at 19:30 sorry, it's the 11th of may > arthur - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Smey" Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 12:27:37 -0400 > > I don't understand what makes conventional song structure -- or a taste for > it -- old fashioned. It's like saying subways are old-fashioned. They're > certainly still a viable form of transportation and fullfill a vital role in > contemporary life. So do Merle Haggard, Dave Alvin, and a whole bunch of > people who write songs in the venerated sense. There's a difference between > time-honored and old fashioned. As Schoenberg said, there's still a lot of > new music to be written in C. Yes, that's true, but I would suspect that some of us (including myself) would filter out the elements in the top 40 that don't have trad melody & harmony. (Like almost all hip hop. Or the Macarena.) For instance, compare these two hits from last year -- Alicia Keyes, "Falling In & Out of Love" vs. Pink, "I'm Coming Out" or whatever it is called. (I'm mangling the titles and even AK's name but you probably know both tunes.) The Alicia Keyes doesn't seem to go that many places harmonically, but it does alternate regularly between I and V. That gives the melody some nice tension (since it tends to resist falling into the V harmony). It's a very trad tune that may have even passed as normal in 1978. So if your study on pop music encompasses some other bluesy R & B tunes with nice harmonic tension you'd zoom in on this song and say "see? this stuff is still relevant!" Because it is -- obviously people do respond to it, sometimes. The Pink tune (which I don't really know that well, I think I've just "absorbed" it out of the environment) doesn't seem to have any harmonic action, it's more of a hook & groove thang. You couldn't really present it with just a guitar or piano. (It would fatally dorkify it, like in that Saturday Night Live skit with Will Ferrell and Ana Gasteyer.) The Pink tune is obviously a successful pop song, too. (These observations are just off the top of my head -- I don't own the records and can't figure out where to stream them on the web. So they aren't guaranteed accurate.) To sum up, if your thesis is that "the same principles shape both the successful pop tunes of the past and the hits of the present," then that's going to steer your selection of tunes. You can find what you are looking for, but you may not be right. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 09:29:52 -0700 on 5/6/02 9:27 AM, Dave Smey at dsmey@mindspring.com wrote: > Yes, that's true, but I would suspect that some of us (including myself) > would filter out the elements in the top 40 that don't have trad melody & > harmony. (Like almost all hip hop. Or the Macarena.) Where would something like "tennessee" by Arrested Development fall then? > For instance, compare these two hits from last year -- Alicia Keyes, > "Falling In & Out of Love" vs. Pink, "I'm Coming Out" or whatever it is > called. (I'm mangling the titles and even AK's name but you probably know > both tunes.) > > The Alicia Keyes doesn't seem to go that many places harmonically, but it > does alternate regularly between I and V. That gives the melody some nice > tension (since it tends to resist falling into the V harmony). It's a very > trad tune that may have even passed as normal in 1978. So if your study on > pop music encompasses some other bluesy R & B tunes with nice harmonic > tension you'd zoom in on this song and say "see? this stuff is still > relevant!" Because it is -- obviously people do respond to it, sometimes. R&B is still extremely song-oriented. Or are we just talking about white music? > The Pink tune (which I don't really know that well, I think I've just > "absorbed" it out of the environment) doesn't seem to have any harmonic > action, it's more of a hook & groove thang. You couldn't really present it > with just a guitar or piano. (It would fatally dorkify it, like in that > Saturday Night Live skit with Will Ferrell and Ana Gasteyer.) The Pink tune > is obviously a successful pop song, too. Oddly enough, the "just guitar" litmus test is exactly the one I fall into. Personally, I think the Pink tune is all icing and no cake, but that's possibly me being old fashioned. > To sum up, if your thesis is that "the same principles shape both the > successful pop tunes of the past and the hits of the present," then that's > going to steer your selection of tunes. You can find what you are looking > for, but you may not be right. > And you won't likely be wrong, either, as long as guitars and pianos don't run out of stuff to do. skip h NP: Jack Mudurian, Downloading The Repertiore - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: alasnoaxis - splay Date: 06 May 2002 19:00:08 +0200 jt> after all the hype two years ago with jim black's first album I am jt> wondering if this second album lives up to the first one. Knowing these jt> guys I would bet on it. it is definitely as good as the first one, although it is a bit different. there are much more electronic sounds, but the "alas no axis"-sound remains. imo one of the best contemporary jazz recordings of this year... and take a look at the artwork ... nice paintings... Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/ -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" Jack Kerouac - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Nicholas Collins Date: 06 May 2002 10:01:56 -0700 On Mon, 06 May 2002 13:32:57 +0000 "David Evans" wrote: > > I have a knackered old recording of a track by Nicholas Collins and the > Soldier String Quartet. I think the album it was off was called 'It was a > dark and stormy night' and the track was 'Broken Light no.1'. The quartet > are playing along to a skipping CD player - kind of Cartoon S&M meets Oval. > I guess the album has long since been deleted, but if anyone has any info > about it I'd love to know more. *** - IT WAS A DARK STORMY NIGHT: Nicolas Collins 3/ It Was A Dark And Stormy Night (Collins) 27:27 Recorded at Baby Monster Studios, New York City, February-May 1992 David Moss: voice; Nicolas Collins: voice, backwards electric guitar, elec- tronics; Robert Poss: electric guitar; Guy Klucevsek: accordion; Ben Neill: trumpet; Rob Bethea: trombone; Tom Cora: cello; Soldier String Quartet. 1992 - Trace Elements (USA), TE-1019CD (CD) This is one of my top favorite records. I have always been puzzled at the low response that that record produced. Collins succeeds in putting out fresh new music without being tedious or relying on the usual batch of tricks. The three compositions are totally different and I would have a hard time to say the one I like the least. Piece one, has some out-of-sync CD playing, showing that you can mess up CD players like turntables. Might not look as impressive these days, but the piece has aged very well, surely because it was more about music than proving a concept. Anyway, what stikes in that record is its musicality. Regardless what new technique he is using, there is music behind (read: it is highly premeditated and the new techniques are material, and not an end in themselves). Not to mention the fantastic lineup on the last piece. I am affraid that the record is out of print. Trace Elements has been silent for more than 5 years. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: re: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 13:19:15 EDT >>>>I don't really understand why someone growing up in an >>Atheist family would embrace "satanism" in any sense. >>My family is religious but I'm an atheist. My reaction >>was not going against Cristianism by "supporting" the >>opposite, but just ignoring the existance of something >>"beyond our understanding". For me, satanism it's just >>another way of belief in something that's never been >>proved, just as bad or incoherent as any other >>religious cult. >>Zorn has always taken unexpected directions all >>through his career and this is probably just one more. >>I don't think this goes beyond a taste for Satanist >>aesthetics, just as happened with S/M during the NC >>period, IMHO. Anyway, it'll be good to open >>discussions as happened with the Zionist or Japanese >>girls issues. I never said I followed any satanic beliefs and I always knew that the bands that were playing the music were atheist or agnostic as well. That is why I identified with them. I don't know how it was where you grew up, but where I grew up, christianity was impossible to simply ignore especially at the age of 10. There were several kids that weren't allowed to "play" with me because I was atheist. I constantly heard that I was going to hell since I was 5. I would constantly have grown adults criticizing my beliefs but finally I was able to say "Great!!! I want to go to hell. Hell is cool!" The look of shock on people's faces provided me with some of the best entertainment of my life. Today it would have no value because I am an adult, but when they heard these things coming out of my mouth at 10, they were shocked but I think more than they were shocked, they had a sense of fear. But I was able to laugh and that's what was most important. Even still to this day, satanic music makes me feel great as a weapon against religion. I rarely listen to death metal anymore but I live across the street from a big church and whenever too many people are standing in front of my house before or after a mass, I love blasting some "evil" sounding music. It clears them everytime and the look of disgust they have makes my day. Some people may feel this is childish but it makes me feel good and I love it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Re: Arto? and a last word on Cicala Mvta Date: 06 May 2002 17:32:23 +0000 >Hello, > >>BBC Radio 3's brilliant show Mixing It played the title track from >>'Invoke' >>a couple of weeks back and it was more of the same, although he tries hard >>to put a different slant on it each time. > >What's the slant this time? That's hard to say as I only heard one track, once, late at night, at low volume. But seeing as you've twisted my arm I'd say that I thought Prize had quite a live band feel to it after the increasingly studio-bound sound of Mundo Civilizado and Noon Chill. Judging by the number of guest musicians and producers it looks like a step back in that direction. >>I checked out the Ruins Magabaitsu site the other day and Tatsuya Yoshida >>was playing drums with Cicala Mvta somewhere in Tokyo - that I would like >>to >>see! > >No problem. They are going to tour Europe this summer, including Yoshida: Thanks for this info. Hopefully they'll come to the UK. I saw Ruins/RonRuins at The Garage in London about 4 years ago and Ruins were absolutely astounding (RonRuins less so) and I don't think they've been back since. It'd be great to see Yoshida in any guise. Dave _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Jim Black Date: 06 May 2002 10:41:14 -0700 (PDT) How can I get this new Alas No Axis CD???!!! I loved the first album... CDNOW doesn't seem to list, can't find it elsewhere either...??? I'm perplexed. Please e-mail me privately if you have info... Thanks in advance... -Theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 10:42:40 -0700 On Mon, 6 May 2002 08:34:35 -0400 "Sean Westergaard" wrote: > > i just saw a cd that was put together by Dave Soldier and 2 Russian Any idea of the title/label? When did it come out? Thanks, Patrice. NP: CYCLE DES SOUVENIRS: Luc Ferrari NR: L'EMPIRE DES LIVRES: Pierre Bourgeade NE: Jean-Marie LePen's defeat (which does not mean that I enjoy Chirac's reelection...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 13:58:43 -0400 >Fascinating topic. Obviously, no final answers here (entire books have been written about this). what books exactly? books about pop music? i've been thinking about writing something along the lines of "...why does this sound good to me". not pop music specifically but all types of music. i don't really analyze why something sounds good to me. not much farther than "that's cool". so it makes me wonder how it is that music as far apart as David S. Ware's "Lexicon" and Pink's "Get This Party Started" seem to scratch the same spot in my brain. -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Van Morrison - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 13:43:51 -0400 wow, i guess we had it covered: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A1isqoaqaqijm sometimes the radio station gets oddities that take a while to track down. i should've checked before just rambling... sean -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:43 PM Cc: Zachary Steiner; Zornlist; proussel@ichips.intel.com On Mon, 6 May 2002 08:34:35 -0400 "Sean Westergaard" wrote: > > i just saw a cd that was put together by Dave Soldier and 2 Russian Any idea of the title/label? When did it come out? Thanks, Patrice. NP: CYCLE DES SOUVENIRS: Luc Ferrari NR: L'EMPIRE DES LIVRES: Pierre Bourgeade NE: Jean-Marie LePen's defeat (which does not mean that I enjoy Chirac's reelection...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 11:00:30 -0700 on 5/6/02 10:58 AM, Mark Saleski at marks@foliage.com wrote: > i don't really analyze why something sounds good to me. not much farther > than "that's cool". so it makes me wonder how it is that music as far > apart as David S. Ware's "Lexicon" and Pink's "Get This Party Started" > seem to scratch the same spot in my brain. Intent. To me, Johnny Guitar Watson and Cecil Taylor do the same job. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: Jim Black Date: 06 May 2002 19:59:56 +0200 Hello Theo, Why are trying to find it at CDNOW? It is overpriced and bad operating store now. Try CDUniverse instead. It has it: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=3417816&cart=121081560&style=music Monday, May 6, 2002, you wrote to me: TK> How can I get this new Alas No Axis CD???!!! I TK> loved the first album... CDNOW doesn't seem to list, TK> can't find it elsewhere either...??? I'm perplexed. TK> Please e-mail me privately if you have info... NP: Buckethead "Some where over the slaughterhouse" (CD) -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Jim Black Date: 06 May 2002 14:02:50 -0400 Try New York City's Downtown Music Gallery for the new Jim Black. They were supposed to get them in stock today and they have advance copies of Zorn's IOA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 14:12:02 -0500 On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 05:16:50PM +0200, Thorsten Kr=E4mer wrote: =20 > Here's what I did. I picked any book by Aleister Crowley at amazon.com = and > googled for "Thelema", a term I figured essential from the reviews. At > www.thelema.org there's that "Book Of The Law", where it says in the th= ird > chapter: >=20 > "23. For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oi= l of > Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich f= resh > blood. > 24. The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a c= hild, > or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the pries= t or > of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what. > 25. This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another= use; > let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: = it > shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto= me. > 26. These slay, naming your enemies; & they shall fall before you." >=20 > So I guess this is only to be taken on a metaphorical level? Do you believe that Crowley actually precticed this? On what evidence? > >So your point is that people should not make artistic works about nega= tive > >subjects? Please..... >=20 > No. My point is that people should not make artistic works about the > negative effects of one "evil" ideology (nazism) and then a couple of y= ears > later make artistic works promoting another "evil" ideology (satanism) = as > some kind of campy avant-garde fun. Fortunately, Zorn tends to ignore the "should" police. --=20 | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | =3D=3D New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems =3D= =3D | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: pop song Date: 06 May 2002 15:08:32 EDT XTC is a band that has made great "pop" songs for over 20 years. But any hits, give or take one or two songs? Pop in the rock and roll world must look to the Beatles. With all the influence, not every band had hits with Pop songs. But there is always the music busies that interferes. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicholas Vandenberg Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 15:07:20 -0400 inna godda da vida is by iron butterfly not steppen wolf as mentioned below --On Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:33 PM -0400 RainDog138@aol.com wrote: > at the media school i am presently a student at, our music business > textbook declares a good "pop" song meets the following criteria: > > instantly catchy (it must grab your attention immediately and supply the > hook as soon as possible - therefor eliminating any sort of intro or > build-up) (i can think of thousands of exceptions to that one) > > must have an element of mystery (lyrically should answer some questions > while supplying you with even more questions) (just what where they > throwing off the tallahassee bridge? ; ) > > must be about 3 and a half minutes long (to be radio friendly and not > bore consumer suffering from A.D.D.) (i can also think of tons of longer > and shorter "hits" - sleepwalk by santo and johnny (quite short), inna > gadda da vida by steppenwolf (long as all hell), paranoid android by > radiohead, how bout every ramones tune coming in under two minutes - > that kinda leaves you wanting more - which is an attractive trait in a > song often times - atleast to me) > > good song structure or well crafted (this is very general, but most pop > hits are the standard verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, double > chorus) (often the bridge is even thrown out all together or the solo > section replaces it) (see nirvana's "verse chorus verse" aka "sappy") > > then the book goes on to say in order for "success" to happen the artist > must be attractive and ready to conform to the rules of the corporation > that surrounds them...basically be a damn puppet without any artistic > control. > > i could be more detailed about this, but the books out in my car and it's > raining right now. you all probably think this is as foolish as i do. i > hope you do. > > i feel that in most commercially succesful tunes you'll find a ton of > similarities in song structure, but not nearly as often or as obvious > similarites in melodic content. (although i think the chords to louie > louie are a sure thing - see: "wild thing", weezer's "undone" etc. etc.) > (also that old fifties chord progression always gets me in every song i > hear it in - you know...that "blue moon" progression - C to A to F to G > in 6/8 time) > > maybe we should get a little list going of unconventional "hits" that > can't be explained by the above criteria....what do ya think? > > -mt > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Frank Kuehn Subject: Satanism vs. Godism Date: 06 May 2002 13:34:30 -0600 "Miss Watson, a tolerable slim old maid, with goggles on. . . told me all about the bad place, and I said I wished I was there. She got mad then, but I didn't mean no harm. All I wanted was to go somewheres; all I wanted was a change, I warn't particular. She said it was wicked to say what I said; said she wouldn't say it for the whole world; she was going to live so as to go to the good place. Well, I couldn't see no advantage in going where she was going, so I made up my mind I wouldn't try for it. But I never said so, because it would only make trouble, and wouldn't do no good." - Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain dan in Taos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pedro moreno Subject: Latin American new musical activity Date: 06 May 2002 15:13:13 -0500 Hello Zorn listers... does anyone know of any contemporary latin american improvisors or new music performers? thanks pedro Pedro Moreno Epistrophy Arts http://www.epistrophyarts.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 06 May 2002 16:41:22 EDT thanks - it was just a slip up on my part. i knew it was iron butterfly. just a brain fart as they say and someone else already was kind enough to correct me off-list. thanks again - my mistake. -mt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: satanism and nazism Date: 06 May 2002 16:59:29 EDT Satanism and Nazism have nothing to do with eachother. Everyone knows what the end of Nazism is but I don't think you will ever see a world war to fight off satanists. Maybe some leader will call them "evil" but you will never see a war against satanists. Comparing Nazi's to satanists is rediculous. Also, "satanic" music sells millions and millions of copies but if Nazi music ever sold like that, people would be gravely concerned. Why? Because Nazi's are real and Satan is not. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: wait til tuesday Date: 06 May 2002 17:10:54 EDT anyone else excited as all hell about the two new Tom Waits albums being released tomorrow. "Alice" and "Blood Money"? I'm looking forward to both as i feel almost every record waits has made since his debut 1973''s "Closing Time" has been a masterpiece front to back. I've read that blood money is supposed to be the stranger of the two releases and more along the lines of 1992's "bone machine" His admitted Harry Partch influence will surely be displayed again on this album. "Partch was an American hobo and the instruments he made were all built from things that he essentially found on the side of the road, not literally but figuratively. He dismantled and rebuilt his own version of the whole concept of music and it's purpose, but I just like the sound he makes...It's a little arrogant to say I see a relationship between his stuff (harry partch) and mine. I'm very crude, but i use things we hear around us all the time, built and found instruments: dragging a chair across the floor or hitting the side of a locker real hard with a two-by-four, a freedom bell, a brake drum with a major imperfection, a police bullhorn. it's more interesting. You know, I don't like straight lines. The problem is that most instruments are square and music is always round." - Tom Waits, from "Small Change - a life of Tom Waits" by Patrick Humphries -mt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Nicolas Collins Date: 06 May 2002 16:19:13 -0500 "David Evans" wrote: >I have a knackered old recording of a track by Nicolas Collins and the >Soldier String Quartet. I think the album it was off was called 'It was a >dark and stormy night' and the track was 'Broken Light no.1'. The quartet >are playing along to a skipping CD player - kind of Cartoon S&M meets Oval. >I guess the album has long since been deleted, but if anyone has any info >about it I'd love to know more. Patrice is probably right that this is technically out of print. However, at least the Canadian distributor Verge, still lists it. Patrice is definitely correct when he says it's a very good recording. In fact I may tack Tobabo Fonio onto the end of the Mappings show I uploaded over the weekend. & Patrice is also correct when he spells Collin's first name without an "H". Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy Mappings: new music in RealAudio P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA http://antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm mappings@antennaradio.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: wait til tuesday Date: 06 May 2002 21:33:59 +0000 Hello, >anyone else excited as all hell about the two new Tom Waits albums being >released tomorrow. "Alice" and "Blood Money"? You should be! I've been listening to them nonestop for the last couple of days. "Blood Money" is indeed the "strangest" of them, but it's not like waaaay out. Not that far from "Mule Variations", but with more of an acoustic feel. Actually, I don't think it has any electric instruments on it. Only complaint is that I wish he would have giving the music more room. There is just one instrumental track, but there were lots more in theater play the songs originally come from. "Alice" is more quiet and a lot harder to get into. But it's also excellent. And has one of the most beautiful endings to an album I have ever heard. Yes, *ever*. I understand that Tom will be performing on the David Letterman show next week. Anybody know who he might be using as backup. it's always fun to see who pops up on these shows from time to time. I saw Cyro Baptista the other day. He was tearing it up, in some other ways ultra lame pop song. I remember way back, years ago, Zorn said he would like to do projects with Tom Waits and Prince. Now, Prince is so bizarre, it might be good for a few laughs at least (or what about Prince and Derek Bailey?) But Zorn and Waits... That might truly be good. And as always, Waits' lyrics are brilliant. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: new Lovely Music record Date: 06 May 2002 15:43:43 -0700 Any recommendation about that one? *** - CHRIS MANN AND THE USE 1/ Or, Yellow (Chris Mann) 23:00 2/ Virtuoso Thinking For Several Invited Words (Chris Mann) 20:09 3/ Humility -- On Eating Your Words (Chris Mann) 22:11 Chris Mann; Christine Bard (1); Anthony Coleman (1); Christian Marclay (1); Mark Stewart (1); David Watson (1); Jim Pugliese (3). 2002 - Lovely Music (USA), LCD 3091 (CD) Just saw it listed on Forced Exposure and was quite curious. Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Please, if anyone can help-- / excuse cross-posted Date: 06 May 2002 20:05:41 -0400 on 02.05.06 7:48 PM, Margaret Davis at musicmargaret@earthlink.net wrote: > Hey, James & Rick, did my message of > May 4th come through? Rick, what up > w/ this? >> Rick Lopez wrote in asking for the lyrics >> to country singer Goebel Reeves' "In the >> Land of the Never Was" to satisfy a dying >> man's wish. Have a copy of Reeve's "Hobo's Lullaby" CD on the way (BEAR FAMILY, of course!) which has the LAND OF THE NEVER WAS track... Anyway, the fellow in search of, he has fourth stage lung cancer, and has 3-16 weeks. What the hell, huh? THANKS TO ALL who responded and got me to this. The Goebel Reeves connection for me is a strong one, especially because of the roots, (another request a few years back) which are contained here: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/BB10k4p14.html Bless us all, RL http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: florid oratory Subject: Re: Waits on Letterman Date: 06 May 2002 18:53:08 -0700 supposedly wednesday of this week: may 8th some bay area musicians, among others: ara anderson--trumpet? or drums? colin stetson--confident reeds matt sperry--bass --GC "Arthur Gadney" asked: > I understand that Tom will be performing on the David Letterman show next > week. Anybody know who he might be using as backup. it's always fun to see > who pops up on these shows from time to time. I saw Cyro Baptista the other > day. He was tearing it up, in some other ways ultra lame pop song. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Moffett Subject: Re: AW: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 22:59:04 +0100 First off, Crowley is not to be taken seriously. He was a poet with a sense of the bizarre, and loved to shock the uptight literati of England. Those who take him too seriously only serve to display their own ignorance (ie Jimmy Page). If born a generation later, Crowley probably would have been a minor surrealist. Second, under what premise do you associate Crowley with the Satanic Church? Any association is tangential at best. It would be like calling Duke Ellington free jazz. Third, most music billed as "satanic" has more to do with Tolkien and Dungeons and Dragons than anything with LeVey or his religion. If a satanic form of music really existed, it would more likely be poppy to bring more people into the fold. It might be an interesting dichotomy to explore as a musician, though. Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this project, or what it sounds like? If nothing else, I'm sure he'd be amused on some level by this debate. Shrouding his music behind lines of transgression is often his method, and I'm sure it's in part just to shake things up a bit. Thorsten Kr=E4mer wrote: > = > Hello Arthur, > = > thanks for your advice. > = > >Read the sources, not the tabloids. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: AW: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 23:11:46 -0400 Given that I thought much of 'IAO' sounded rather like film music, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the true influence was less Crowley, more filmmaker Kenneth Anger (listed on the disc's obi strip as a Crowley "disciple"). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - 'The American President' on TBS (I'm such a sucker for this sappy film...) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Moffett Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this project, or what it sounds like? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: AW: satanism Date: 06 May 2002 20:40:42 -0700 Monday, May 6, 2002, 8:16:50 AM, Thorsten wrote: TK> So I guess this is only to be taken on a metaphorical level? Sorta like that cannibalism stuff that happens down to the Catholic outlet every Sunday morning, right? Whole buncha flesh-eaters & blood-drinkers down there, if you believe the script. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com Subject: Satanism and the Creative Left Date: 07 May 2002 08:26:31 +0200 On the subject of Zorn's supposedly unexpected endorsement of Aleister Crowley and Kenneth Anger, I can only say that, to me, this was rather expected instead of unexpected. If you are interested in the things that Zorn is interested in, which is the entire strain from the dark proto-surrealist romance of Comte de Lautreamont to the cathartic expressionism of Antonin Artaud to the demented porn of the Japanese pinku filmu, then it is only to be expected that, sooner of later, an interest in Crowley and Anger would rear its head. I should note that the ideas of Crowley have a lot of support in what I consider essentially the "creative left". If you look at www.disinfo.com for example, which is an anti-establishment site with strong left-wing connotations, there is a lot of information on Crowley and related subjects. Also, people like comic book writers Grant Morrison and Alan Moore, as well as Robert Anton Wilson, all of whom I regard highly, strongly endorse the ideas of Aleister Crowley. If you have ever seen the movies of Kenneth Anger, then you'll know that he is a brilliant movie-maker, and that his movies should appeal to anyone with a taste for the avant-garde, regardless of whether they endorse satanic ideas or not. It is not for nothing that Anger's name pops up in the same books that treat the works of Maya Deren, Jonas Mekas, and Harry Smith. And if you had a chance to look through Harry Smith's personal library, I am sure you would find every single book that Crowley ever wrote. This is not to say that I endorse satanic views, I would only like to point out that these ideas don't come out of the blue if you consider the subjects Zorn has displayed an interest in over the years. And I don't believe that Zorn turns satanism into campy fun - that would essentially be a reduction of his art to lowly postmodernism, and I don' think that is what Zorn is about (even though it is hard to assess this, because I find it hard to believe any person can deal with the amount of information that Zorn deals with and be able to comprehend it all). Frankco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "patbor" Subject: Blues for Falasha Date: 07 May 2002 03:20:27 -0400 Radical Jewish Culture series Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style? Anyone recommends it? Thanks PatB - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Blues for Falasha Date: 07 May 2002 09:57:58 +0200 (CEST) Hi, The album is wonderful but it's free jazz, with absolutely nothing to do with Jewish music. Not at hand right now, but Larry Ochs and William Winant are also on the album. The sound is pure Spearman but pretty slow-paced, which makes it more intense and original, IMHO. Best, Efrén del Valle > > > Radical Jewish Culture series > Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha > > Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style? > > Anyone recommends it? > > Thanks > PatB > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= Subject: Re: wait til tuesday Date: 06 May 2002 19:19:09 +0200 Hi, I've also been listening nonstop to "Blood Money" since yesterday and it's really good. Certainly, the surprise factor is almost nonexistant, just pure Waits at his best. It seems like sort of a compilation of all his career, with those weird polkas, tarantellas, some latin rhythms, dull ballads, cabaret tunes... As someone said before, it sounds a bit like "Bone Machine" at some moments, but also it makes me think of "Rain Dogs" ("Misery is the River of the World"), "The Black Raider" ("Starving in the Belly of a Whale") and "Frank's Wild Years" ("Coney Island Baby"), etc. To summarize, it's a very good album, much better than "Mule Variations" Imho, since it deals with Waits' darker musical side (the lyrics are depressing!) and really manages to create a weird mood, his strange cabaret concept. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: "blood money" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hickey Subject: Alice Date: 07 May 2002 09:27:41 +0100 I also picked up "Alice" at the weekend. It's a beautiful piece of work. Waits' lyrics are outstanding. There are some great pictures of Wait's in the artwork . . . Highly recomended! > From: Efr=E9n del Valle > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:19:09 +0200 > To: "Zorn-list" > Cc: "jason tors" > Subject: Re: wait til tuesday >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I've also been listening nonstop to "Blood Money" since yesterday and it'= s > really good. Certainly, the surprise factor is almost nonexistant, just p= ure > Waits at his best. It seems like sort of a compilation of all his career= , > with those weird polkas, tarantellas, some latin rhythms, dull ballads, > cabaret tunes... As someone said before, it sounds a bit like "Bone Machi= ne" > at some moments, but also it makes me think of "Rain Dogs" ("Misery is th= e > River of the World"), "The Black Raider" ("Starving in the Belly of a > Whale") and "Frank's Wild Years" ("Coney Island Baby"), etc. > To summarize, it's a very good album, much better than "Mule Variations" > Imho, since it deals with Waits' darker musical side (the lyrics are > depressing!) and really manages to create a weird mood, his strange cabar= et > concept. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Efr=E9n del Valle > n.p: "blood money" >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 > - >=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Harry Partch documentary Date: 07 May 2002 10:05:08 +0000 Hi all, If anyone can get BBC4 on their TVs then there is a Harry Partch documentary on tonight at 9pm (repeated 12.30am) BST. Happy viewing and comments please if you get to see it. Dave _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Jorge" Subject: Arto lindsay interview Date: 07 May 2002 10:10:38 +0000 Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio show, any interesting sugestions for questions? _________________________________________________________________ Converse com amigos on-line, conheça o MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Arto lindsay interview Date: 07 May 2002 10:52:27 +0000 Hi. >Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio show, any interesting >sugestions for questions? What happened to the solo guitar album he talked about a few years ago? Not to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". Does he think it is morally irrisponsibe to first make a piece of music about Kristallnacht, and then a few years later another one about Crowley? (hehe) Might be more. Have to think about it.... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Lankin Subject: Copenhagen Art Ensemble plays the music of Tim Berne broadcast on Friday Date: 07 May 2002 07:00:21 -0400 Friday, May 10 Copenhagen Art Ensemble under the leadership of Ture Larsen playing the music of Tim Berne with guests Herb Robertson (trumpet) and Marc Ducret guitar Personnel: Tim Berne (alto sax), Lotte Anker (soprano/tenor sax), Thomas Agergaard (tenor sax, flute), Peter Fuglsang (clarinet, bass clarinet), Herb Robertson (trumpet), Lars Vissing (trumpet), KasperTranberg (cornet), Mads Hyhne (trombone), Klaus Löhrer (bass trombone, tuba), Thomas Clausen (piano, Fender Rhodes), Marc Ducret (guitar), Nils Davisen (bass), Anders Mogensen (drums), Ture Larsen (director) Recorded at Radiohuset, Malmö / Copenhagen Jazz House 2000. 120 Minuter on Swedish Radio P2 3-5 p.m. US Eastern time; 19.00 - 21.00 UTC http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/spelare/spelare.asp?typ=live&namn=P2-Musik http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/webcasts.html Alan Lankin -- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net lankina@att.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Arto lindsay interview Date: 07 May 2002 14:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Hi, Maybe a bit self-concious question, but he's performing at this year's Sonar Festival in Barcelona. I think it's a duo performance but considerig that the Festival is mainly focused on electronic music I'd love to know what I must expect from that project. More bossa? Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Still trapped with "Blood Money". There must be something there... > > Hi. > > >Hi! I'm making a Arto Lindsay interview for a radio > show, any interesting > >sugestions for questions? > > What happened to the solo guitar album he talked > about a few years ago? Not > to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". Does he > think it is morally > irrisponsibe to first make a piece of music about > Kristallnacht, and then a > few years later another one about Crowley? (hehe) > > Might be more. Have to think about it.... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Wuorinen Date: 07 May 2002 06:56:29 -0500 As is often the case, I'm catching up on Zorn digests. Thanks for posting your column on Wuorinen, Steve. Self-servingly, I think it reinforces some of the comments made in earlier discussions of Wuorinen, especially Zorn's specific attempt to position Wuorinen for some idealized Tzadik listener. Given the limited amount of comments on the more composerly releases in the composer series that show up on this list, I'm not sure this is entirely warranted, at least for the specific Tzadik listeners he proposes to be focusing on, but hey. It's also worth noting Wuorinen's clearly stated sense of the social overriding stylistic doctrine. It's usually been my sense that composers that get along as people tend to find something to like about each other's music, which is why I'd earlier assumed that Wuorinen wouldn't have problems being on the same concert with Zorn. It's good to have a new pressing of Time's Encomium in any case, which sounds much crisper and generally more metallic than I recall from the original vinyl. I'm also digging the distinctions made between levels and qualities of reverberation in the piece. I don't think of such attention to signal processing in the context of the Columbia-Princeton studio and now want to hear more from that period to hear what else I may have let slide back in the day. Bests, Herb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: RE: new Lovely Music record Date: 07 May 2002 07:06:59 -0500 > Any recommendation about that one? > >- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >*** - CHRIS MANN AND THE USE > > 1/ Or, Yellow (Chris Mann) 23:00 > 2/ Virtuoso Thinking For Several Invited Words > (Chris Mann) 20:09 > 3/ Humility -- On Eating Your Words (Chris Mann) 22:11 > > Chris Mann; Christine Bard (1); Anthony Coleman (1); Christian Marclay (1); > Mark Stewart (1); David Watson (1); Jim Pugliese (3). > > 2002 - Lovely Music (USA), LCD 3091 (CD) > >- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Just saw it listed on Forced Exposure and was quite curious. > > Thanks, > > Patrice. > I haven't heard, or received, it yet, but I've liked much of the work I've heard (&/or read) by Chris Mann. But in general, I think of him as a writer I'm interested in who's manner of performing/presenting his work is greatly informed by an awareness of vocalists like Shelley Hirsch, Phil Minton, David Moss, etc. and I've most often responded best to his solo works, rather than collaborations with (other) musicians. From some of your other comments over the years, I'd be surprised if your were as excited by the content of the texts, Patrice, but I think you may be quite interested in Mann's sonic approach. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy Mappings: new music in RealAudio P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA http://antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm mappings@antennaradio.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Don Cherry; Actions Date: 07 May 2002 13:56:31 +0000 Hello, I as wondering if anybody has heard the recently released remastered version of Don Cherry's masterpiece "Actions"? It's been one of my favorite records for a long time, but I always found the female vocals were mixed MUCH to high. I\m hoping maybe there is a better ballance on the new release. Anybody know? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Blues for Falasha Date: 07 May 2002 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Pat: Not sure what you mean by the L-W-Y style. It's not overwhelmingly Klezmer or particularly "Jewish", whatever that means. Instead it, Glenn's last recording, is an extension of the over the top energy music a la Ascension he and the other members of his double trio created on the earlier Black Saint discs. Of course it's worth getting. Nearly everything GS played and recorded is worth hearing -- and there's far too little of it. Ken Waxman --- patbor wrote: > > Radical Jewish Culture series > Glenn Spearman: blues for Falasha > > Is this record in the London-Wall-Yakar style? > > Anyone recommends it? ===== Ken Waxman mingusaum@yahoo.ca www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos ______________________________________________________________________ Games, Movies, Music & Sports! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aaron chua Subject: re:pop music +KLF Date: 07 May 2002 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT) talking abt the Stereotypical Pop Song brings to mind the KLF and also the book they wrote: The Manual which is supposedly a step by step guide to penning a chart topper. now i don't know much abt them other than the wire article i'm refering to now (mar97). anyone have this?( the manual i mean...) also i remember sometime ago seeing copies of a KLF al;bum reiisued w/ a bonus disc. i was under the impression all their back catalogue was to be deleted. anyone know the story behind this? aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Naked City - The Greatest Hoax of the Twentieth Century? Date: 07 May 2002 14:39:12 +0000 According to Tzadik: "original compositions and covers that never appeared on disc make this an absolute must for all the Naked City fans around the world" But where are those original compostions? I sure can't find them. And, where can I find the original version of Morricone's "Erotico"? is it worth tracking down? Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Adonai In Dub Date: 07 May 2002 14:46:06 +0000 Hey, And what about "Adonai In Dub" by David Gould?? I was expecting to hate this, and never bothered tracking it down, but after I read a (surprisingly!) positive review in the dub section of the Wire I thought why not.... Judging from the few sound bites I could find on the net, it actually sounds amazing! Is it?? The idea of mixing klezmer and dub, seemed very strange (at least, I've never heard about it done before) but I guess it works...??? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Berman" Subject: Re: Don Cherry; Actions Date: 07 May 2002 11:24:19 -0400 the Actions i have on disc only has the number 0008 on it and the cd = itself says pre release. theres no date anywhere so i dont know if this = is the re-release of the album or a newer cd version but I think for a = live event recorded in the seventies it sounds pretty good. the vocals = are out front quite a bit but not through out. actually i find han = bennick further out front then most of the band with the exception of = brotz/breuker pig squeals. not that i mind that. you wouldn't know = terje rypdal was there for much of the show. was the original album Humus and then Penderecki conducting Actions for = Free Jazz Orch.? did it include the follow-along clapping Raga encore? mike ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:56 AM > Hello, >=20 > I as wondering if anybody has heard the recently released remastered = version=20 > of Don Cherry's masterpiece "Actions"? >=20 > It's been one of my favorite records for a long time, but I always = found the=20 > female vocals were mixed MUCH to high. I\m hoping maybe there is a = better=20 > ballance on the new release. >=20 > Anybody know? >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >=20 >=20 > - >=20 >=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Marks Subject: RE: Naked City - The Greatest Hoax of the Twentieth Century? Date: 07 May 2002 10:51:09 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F5D6.9FB329D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was actually a bit disappointed when someone posted the track list and it was mostly songs from other releases. I was looking forward to the "new" stuff. Could be that this was just supposed to be a one-off release, but then later they decided to make it a series and would put the "new" stuff onto a later release. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:39 AM According to Tzadik: "original compositions and covers that never appeared on disc make this an absolute must for all the Naked City fans around the world" But where are those original compostions? I sure can't find them. And, where can I find the original version of Morricone's "Erotico"? is it worth tracking down? Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F5D6.9FB329D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Naked City - The Greatest Hoax of the Twentieth = Century?

I was actually a bit disappointed when someone posted = the
track list and it was mostly songs from other = releases.
I was looking forward to the "new" = stuff.

Could be that this was just supposed to be a = one-off
release, but then later they decided to make it a = series
and would put the "new" stuff onto a later = release.

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From: Arthur Gadney [mailto:a_gadney@hotmail.com]
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To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
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According to Tzadik:

"original compositions and covers that never = appeared on disc make this an
absolute must for all the Naked City fans around the = world"

But where are those original compostions? I sure = can't find them.

And, where can I find the original version of = Morricone's "Erotico"? is it
worth tracking down?

Cheers.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F5D6.9FB329D0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: TOM WAITS DIGEST: Tom Waits release 2 albums and appears on David Letterman tomorrow Date: 07 May 2002 16:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Hi, In case you're not getting the TW digest, you have some info on his appeareance on the D. Letterman Show below- Best, Efrén del VAlle > > This is the News Broadcast Feed for > www.officialtomwaits.com. > > 'Alice' and 'Blood Money' are released today! (in > the US). > > Tom Waits has confirmed an appearence on the David > Letterman Show! > The appearance is scheduled for Wednesday, May 8th, > which is one day after > the official street date of both of Tom's new albums > "Alice" and "Blood > Money." Tom will be performing music from his new > album/albums, but there is > no official word on exactly what track/tracks he > will be performing for > sure. > > ================================================================ > If you would like to remove your e-mail address from > our mailing > list, please send an e-mail to > waitsdigest-request@offmind.net with > LEAVE in the message body. > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: Kenneth Anger Date: 07 May 2002 08:03:16 -0700 There is a pretty decent book out on Anger called 'Moonchild' published by Creation Books. But other then that, Anger is really a great film artist - plus his Hollywood Bablyon is a fantastic SUBJECTIVE look on Hollywood film history. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Fwd: TOM WAITS DIGEST: Tom Waits release 2 albums and appears on David Date: 07 May 2002 15:01:45 +0000 Hello, Does anybody know when this will be shown in the UK?? Letterman is a few days delayed over here, isn't he? Thanks! >From: Efrén del Valle >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Fwd: TOM WAITS DIGEST: Tom Waits release 2 albums and appears on >David Letterman tomorrow >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:57:42 +0200 (CEST) > >Hi, > >In case you're not getting the TW digest, you have >some info on his appeareance on the D. Letterman Show >below- > >Best, > >Efrén del VAlle > > > > This is the News Broadcast Feed for > > www.officialtomwaits.com. > > > > 'Alice' and 'Blood Money' are released today! (in > > the US). > > > > Tom Waits has confirmed an appearence on the David > > Letterman Show! > > The appearance is scheduled for Wednesday, May 8th, > > which is one day after > > the official street date of both of Tom's new albums > > "Alice" and "Blood > > Money." Tom will be performing music from his new > > album/albums, but there is > > no official word on exactly what track/tracks he > > will be performing for > > sure. > > > > >================================================================ > > If you would like to remove your e-mail address from > > our mailing > > list, please send an e-mail to > > waitsdigest-request@offmind.net with > > LEAVE in the message body. > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger >Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. >http://messenger.yahoo.es > >- > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Adonai In Dub Date: 07 May 2002 17:03:04 +0200 (CEST) Hi, > > The idea of mixing klezmer and dub, seemed very > strange (at least, I've > never heard about it done before) but I guess it > works...??? In fact, Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" was based on the same principles but didn't actually work for me. Haven't heard this one but considering that dub is not my cup of tea, I'm sure it could be another big disappointment, just as Saft's record. However, I'm conscious that many people loved the album so you might want to check it out. Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: ROVO: TOnic 2001 Date: 07 May 2002 15:03:55 +0000 Hello, I don't remember if I have already asked before, but how is the new ROVO CD on Tzadik?? I like the Rovo stuff I have heard but, but still feel it's not quite there. It's a bit too "light". Not nearly as good as Neo-Boredoms, at least. But having a feeling that they will eventually put out something amazing, I was wondering if this is it? What about the Laswell mixes, do they work?? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Don Cherry; Actions Date: 07 May 2002 15:08:23 +0000 Hello >the Actions i have on disc only has the number 0008 on it and the cd itself >says pre release. theres no date anywhere so i dont know if this is the >re-release of the album or a newer cd version >but I think for a live event >recorded in the seventies it sounds pretty good. Good recording, bad mixing. >actually i find han bennick further out front then most of the band with >the exception of >brotz/breuker pig squeals. not that i mind that. No, his playing is unbelievable on this album. What a genious. >you wouldn't know terje rypdal was there for much of the show. No, but when his guitar playing does pop out, it's amazing! Very aggressiv, and quite similar to Keiji Haino. I would never have guessed it was Rypdal, since he is one of thew guitar players I love to hate. I mean, come on, his recnet stuff is soooo pathetic. But I guess back then, he had a bit of spark. Where did it go? >was the original album Humus and then Penderecki conducting Actions for >Free Jazz Orch.? did it include the follow-along clapping Raga encore? The lp version I have heard has all three pieces on it, including a little Cherry chat which I don't know what to think about. Well, for startes, this was clearly the 70s. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorsten_Kr=E4mer?= Subject: AW: satanism Date: 07 May 2002 17:21:23 +0200 thanks for all your comments so far. let me just add something to maybe clarify some misunderstandings: some weeks ago we had a discussion about the zionistic background of the radical jewish culture series. although nobody thought that zorn himself actually wanted to go to israel and help drive those palestinians out of the country, there seemed to be a certain consensus about that whole radical jewish thing being a bit - distasteful? politically not so sound? well you all know. Now for satanism: i am not so dumb as to believe that zorn likes to drink the blood of virgins, but i know that there are people who do practise "sex magick" including abuse of all kinds. and that's the first reason i'm annoyed by the theme of "IAO" the same way people were annoyed by that radical jewish culture thing. artistically, i think Frankco got it right: >On the subject of Zorn's supposedly unexpected endorsement of Aleister Crowley and Kenneth Anger, >I can only say that, to me, this was rather expected instead of unexpected. that's the second reason for my being annoyed. it seems zorn just keeps walking these well known paths... >Sorta like that cannibalism stuff that happens down to the Catholic >outlet every Sunday morning, right? Whole buncha flesh-eaters & >blood-drinkers down there, if you believe the script. well at least they keep eating the same person, and one that actually told them to do so. mind the difference! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "patbor" Subject: Tom Cora Date: 07 May 2002 11:46:03 -0400 Any information (bio, disco.phy...) about TOM CORA is well accepted. And recommendations for Tzadik's Hallelujah, Anyway - Remembering Tom Cora. Thank You Patb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop Song Date: 07 May 2002 11:50:35 EDT In a message dated 5/6/02 11:41:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wlt4@mindspring.com writes: ...referring to this, by an unknown poster... << >Usually, we think of 'pop' as 'popular music,' >or music that tops the music charts. Which would also include music that's stylistically similar since most pop music isn't actually popular in terms of sales. >> This topic has been brought up many times on the RMP newsgroup. I have to agree with the above in that "pop" and "popular" music are two entirely different genres these days. When I think of "pop", I think of music on labels like Minty Fresh and Darla, and groups/artists like Jellyfish, Spongetones, and Jason Faulkner...ones that are a long way from "popular". -- np: Deus ex Machina- Cinque (the great new album on Cuneiform by Italy's best prog band. An incredible fusion of _Jet Lag_ , _Tilt_ , and _Crac!_ (you closet proggers know what I'm talking about...)) =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Tom Cora Date: 07 May 2002 16:16:24 +0000 Hello, >Any information (bio, disco.phy...) > >about TOM CORA > >is well accepted. A bit of info: http://www.rarefaction.com/Cora.html Discography: http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/cora.htm Get the two Roof CDs. Some of my favorite music. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Tim Sparks? Date: 07 May 2002 18:42:17 +0200 (CEST) Hi, Maybe it was mentioned here before but did anyone have the chance to listen to the new Tim Sparks' album on Tzadik? It's really promising but you never know. Thanks in advance Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: satanism Date: 07 May 2002 10:20:37 -0700 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thorsten Kr=E4m= er > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:17 AM > 24. The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood > of a child, > or dropping from the host of heaven It's menstrual blood and semen (probably preferably obtained through some higher-degree tantric ritual). Later, Ben http://members.tripod.com/~tamad2/ ICQ/AIM: thewilyfilipino / Yahoo!: sunny70 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Napalm Death DVD Date: 07 May 2002 17:24:58 +0000 Hello, Has anybody seen the new Napalm Death DVD??? I know there is a video flating around somewhere of old concerts including Mick Harris banging on the drums, and I'm wondering if that concert is on here has well.... Anybody know?? I never cared for Napalm Death without Harris, so just wanna check before I fork out the cash.... Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: self-congratulatory obi Date: 07 May 2002 17:26:06 +0000 yeah, the masada thing is pretty over the top, especially if zorn is still writing them (i know he used to). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: satanism and Radical Jewish Culture Date: 07 May 2002 12:26:44 -0500 >> let me just add something to maybe clarify some misunderstandings: some weeks ago we had a discussion about the zionistic background of the radical jewish culture series. although nobody thought that zorn himself actually wanted to go to israel and help drive those palestinians out of the country, there seemed to be a certain consensus about that whole radical jewish thing being a bit - distasteful? politically not so sound? well you all know. Now for satanism: i am not so dumb as to believe that zorn likes to drink the blood of virgins, but i know that there are people who do practise "sex magick" including abuse of all kinds. and that's the first reason i'm annoyed by the theme of "IAO" the same way people were annoyed by that radical jewish culture thing. The other day I read about a release on Tzadik by Oren Bloedow and Jennifer Charles called La Mar Enfortuna. According to the Elysian Fields website, it's a "Modern exploration of Moorish moods, released on John Zorn's brilliant label Tzadik." I got very excited, I enjoy Elysian Fields and I love Moorish (Muslim, Arabian, etc) music. I first went to the Composer's series to look for it, but couldn't find it. I went to the all the other series before looking in the "least likely one," the Radical Jewish Culture Series. It was there. Did Elysian Fields screw up on describing their own album? Is the Radical Jewish Culture Series purely arbitrary? I can't think of any radical Jew that would stand for a Muslim masquerading as a Jew, a radical one at that. If I'm missing something, please tell me. The decision to put this album in that series seems to be against the spirit of the series, rather the supposed spirit of the series. Zach - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: RE: satanism and Radical Jewish Culture Date: 07 May 2002 19:39:23 +0200 (CEST) Hi, > > The other day I read about a release on Tzadik by > Oren Bloedow and > Jennifer Charles called La Mar Enfortuna. According > to the Elysian > Fields website, it's a "Modern exploration of > Moorish moods, released on > John Zorn's brilliant label Tzadik." I got very > excited, I enjoy > Elysian Fields and I love Moorish (Muslim, Arabian, > etc) music. I first > went to the Composer's series to look for it, but > couldn't find it. I > went to the all the other series before looking in > the "least likely > one," the Radical Jewish Culture Series. It was > there. Did Elysian > Fields screw up on describing their own album? Is > the Radical Jewish > Culture Series purely arbitrary? I can't think of > any radical Jew that > would stand for a Muslim masquerading as a Jew, a > radical one at that. > If I'm missing something, please tell me. The > decision to put this > album in that series seems to be against the spirit > of the series, > rather the supposed spirit of the series. > > Zach In fact that should be a misconception of the music that actually comprises the album. It features compositions by Bloedow and Charles themselves and also new versions of old Sephardic traditionals, even sung by Charles in Ladino (the Middle Ages Spanish used by the Jewish community here). The music is obviously infused by Moorish accents, since the Arabian presence in Spain was really important back then and it's often easy to mistake one for the other. It actually happens to me that listening to klezmer or Sephardic tunes is automatically related to Arabian melodies. Hard to discern sometimes. BTW, it's a good album and certainly not too RADICAL. Best, Efrén del Valle > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: NAPALM DEATH DVD Date: 07 May 2002 13:38:42 -0400 I have the DVD and it's great,especially for Mick Harris fans. There is concert footage, music videos, interviews and t.v. appearances. The disc compiles a lot of footage and material previously available on a few vhs releases. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Re: Napalm Death DVD Date: 07 May 2002 13:55:09 -0400 i saw a copy a few weeks ago in a store, and if i recall correctly it was an old show, and there was a picture of mick on the back cover...i can ask him for sure (though i don't think earache sends him anything at all anymore... dave http://www.mickharris.net http://www.eraldobernocchi.net http://www.silent-watcher.net >Hello, > >Has anybody seen the new Napalm Death DVD??? > >I know there is a video flating around somewhere of old concerts including >Mick Harris banging on the drums, and I'm wondering if that concert is on >here has well.... Anybody know?? > >I never cared for Napalm Death without Harris, so just wanna check before I >fork out the cash.... > >Thanks! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: Napalm Death DVD Date: 07 May 2002 13:57:18 EDT yes i have the Napalm Death DVD. It's more or less the Live Corruption Home Video with some other features: Promo Clips for Mass Appeal Madness, The World keeps Turning, Suffer The Children, Plague Rages, Breed To Breathe, and Greed Killing the Live Video at Salisbury Arts Centre from June 30th 1990 (mick on drums, shane on bass, mitch and jesse on guitars, and barney of vox) this was the show on the live corruption video. Live video at Nottingham Rock City from Nov 14th 1989 (this unfortunately has Barney on vox too though i think it's one of his first shows, mitch wasn't in the band yet though he is at the side of the stage watching, jesse had just joined and doesn't know some material, and mick and shane are still rockin. - mick goes nuts on this vid - multiple angle options on this show) THEN there is the real gem and the reason i bought this dvd - A BBC TV "ARENA" heavy metal special did a documentary on extreme music and filmed ND. This has THE line-up from scum and from enslavement to obliteration - (lee dorian on vocals, bill steer on guitar, shane embury on bass, and mick harris on drums.) this is really the only line-up of ND that ever mattered to me. i've always been annoyed with barney's vocals. the energy of this BBC performance outshines the other two shows with ease. unfortunately there are only two songs - "Scum" and "You Suffer" and we both know "you suffer" barely even counts as a song. none the less it's footage of the ultimate ND line-up in action. and you can even get subtitles for the bbc show which is hilarious! hope that helps - feel free to ask me other questions regarding this DVD if you have any. basically it's harris on everything except a couple promos. -mt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: tuscon Date: 07 May 2002 11:04:48 -0700 I'll be working in Tuscon May 18-19. Does anyone know where the good record and used book stores are? Also, where to go to eat for not all that much dough. thanks -- skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Parry Gettelman Subject: Aleister Crowley Date: 07 May 2002 18:35:06 GMT > I should note that the ideas of Crowley have a lot of support in what I consider essentially the "creative > left". If you look at www.disinfo.com for example, which is an anti-establishment site with strong left-wing > connotations, there is a lot of information on Crowley and related subject In his pre-sucking days -- very long ago, indeed -- I recall Daryl Hall saying that Hall & Oates' "Do What You Want to Do, Be What You Are" (title approximate) was inspired by Crowley's "Do what thou wilt." Satanist or no, however, I don't think Crowley would have approved of "One on One." Parry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Arto lindsay interview Date: 07 May 2002 21:10:19 -0500 Hi Philozorners, > What happened to the solo guitar album he talked about a few > years ago? Not > to mention the follow up to "Aggregates". I have asked him about it two years ago, after the show in Berlin. He said, he is not in "mood" to record this kind of stuff anymore. But he primissed that some unreleased, good recording quality DNA stuff will be out shortly. This doesn't happened as well... __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl/muzyka NP: Tool "Undertow" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Adonai In Dub Date: 07 May 2002 15:51:18 EDT In a message dated 5/7/02 11:03:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.es writes: << The idea of mixing klezmer and dub, seemed very > strange >> The mixture is not actually klezmer and dub, but Jewish prayers and dub. Big difference. Some of these prayers are over one thousand years old. However, the record works, and is recommended, if you enjoy dub. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Selvig Subject: Re: Latin American new musical activity Date: 07 May 2002 13:32:17 -0700 Mauricio Kagel is Argentinean, as are the lads in Reynols. The Wire had an article a few years back about the Argentinian el/ac scene, though I'm afraid I've gone no deeper than checking Reynols out - their "Blank Tapes" CD is great, though high volume is required. Chris Selvig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brummer, Charlie" Subject: Re: Adonai in Dub Date: 07 May 2002 16:26:24 -0500 Yes, it works! A very worthwhile effort with excellent dub throughout. A variety of tempos keep the proceedings from monotony, and the vocals on several tracks are superb. The next to last track is a bit removed from straight-ahead dub, being rather ethereal with some industrial overtones. In any event, well worth getting--I picked it up in a used bin with no idea what it would be like, and I've been pleasantly surprised. Of course, if you aren't into roots and dub, then this probably isn't for you. While it isn't "Heart of the Congos"--what is?--it's still a splendid session. Charlie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JSub@aol.com Subject: Re: Napalm Death DVD Date: 07 May 2002 17:55:09 -0400 I haven't watched it yet but there are two shows included both of which feature Mick Harris. One is the show from June 1990 which was also released on the video tape "Live Corruption". The 2nd show is from Dec(?) 1989 which is probably one of the earliest with new vocalist Barney Greenway. There are also 2 live clips from the "classic" lineup with Bill Steer on guitar and Lee Dorrian on vocals. Heres the sales pitch from Earache records site "The definative Napalm death DVD - over 5 hours of footage including all 6 promo clips the band recorded for Earache and 2 full early gigs -inc Rock City 1989 Grindrusher tour and rare as hell bonus footage featuring arguably the bands best line up - the Lee Dorrian and Bill Steer era. You can view the Grindcrusher show from any of 3 different camera angles, and explore the subtitles option - (ever wondered exactly what the lyrics to "Scum" were?) All in all - your chance to witness history being made - Napalm's early shows were, with hindsight, literally changing the face of extreme/heavy music at the time. Positively Groundbreaking." Jeff - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Tom Cora Date: 07 May 2002 18:21:52 -0400 >Any information (bio, disco.phy...) > >about TOM CORA > >is well accepted. > >And recommendations for Tzadik's >Hallelujah, Anyway - Remembering Tom Cora. Hallelujah, Anyway is a great bunch of tunes, well sequenced, and well documented, a must-have for fans, and worth the price of admission just for the opening track; Leslie Dalaba's reverb drenched trumpet requiem. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugo Linares" Subject: RE: Tom Cora Date: 08 May 2002 00:47:08 -0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C1F629.E1DE0340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seconded; Leslie's Dalaba's playing is outstanding! Any other recommendation from him?? Thanks in advance. 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------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C1F629.E1DE0340-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: francko.lamerikx@philips.com Subject: Re: satanism Date: 08 May 2002 08:57:15 +0200 > First off, Crowley is not to be taken seriously. He was a poet with a > sense of the bizarre, and loved to shock the uptight literati of > England. Those who take him too seriously only serve to display their > own ignorance (ie Jimmy Page). If born a generation later, Crowley > probably would have been a minor surrealist. I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that Crowley is not to be taken seriously. That would imply that he did not believe in the things he did or wrote, which I am absolutely sure he did. I must say, though, that I am neither a Crowley adept nor even very knowledgeable about the man, so maybe I am wrong. I'm basing my opinion on the legendary status the man and his writings have achieved. And, surely, there must be something very positive in Crowley's approach, otherwise it would never have appealed to geniuses like Grant Morrison and Alan Moore. > Third, most music billed as "satanic" has more to do with Tolkien and > Dungeons and Dragons than anything with LeVey or his religion. If a > satanic form of music really existed, it would more likely be poppy to > bring more people into the fold. It might be an interesting dichotomy > to explore as a musician, though. This goes a long way to show that you are probably not familiar with the kind of black metal that has been produced mainly in Northern Europe ever since the late 1980s. Let me tell you that there is some VERY satanic stuff going on there. It comes in a lot of guises, from the 18th century bombast of Arcturus to the grimmest production-value-defying home recordings. In fact, Gram of Ulver/Arcturus has had to do a lot of explaining on his satanic "beliefs" to the Norwegian press when an Ulver CD based on the writing of William Blake was presented at a Norwegian princess's marriage. There is of course a whole strain of postmodernist ironic "satanist" music, but on the other hand the ideas of people like Varg Vikernes and Euronymous became a grim reality when churches started to burn down. I think in terms of absolute evil-ness the early albums of Abruptum are unsurpassed. They are completely avant-garde in their approach, with sidelong tracks containing no structure whatsoever, merely shrieking and scraping and bursts of drums, etc., packaged in all-black cover art with the undecipherable band logo ("I can't read this logo so it must be an Abruptum album"). Band members are called EVIL and IT and the band has been known to endorse the use of drugs because it destroys people (not my view, but theirs). Anton LaVey himself also made some outstanding (satanic) music. You should check his "Fantasy Pipe Organ and Percussion" (can't remember if that is the exact title, though) which is absolutely incredible - it actually sounds like an entire album of songs like Mr.Bungle's "Chemical Marriage". Frankco - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: OT-PHANTASMAGORIA: s/t Date: 08 May 2002 03:11:35 EDT Came across this CD on the ReR Megacorp site. Looks interesting, especially= =20 since Cutler (or whoever writes up the reviews) rarely pulls punches on the=20 website. Anyone know anything about it first-hand? PHANTASMAGORIA: Phantasmagoria - ICR 007 - =A312 Uchihashi Kasuhisa again with a big band (actually Contrabass, Drums, Guitar= ,=20 Sampler, Trombone, Trumpet and Alto Sax, but it sounds bigger - blame the sampler player). Big Jazz,=20 Rock, Noise, some classical and other genres (blame the sampler player) and=20= -=20 I don't know. This is what is great about some recent Japanese groups.=20 Totally fearless. Not afraid to be straight. Or eccentric. Very good indeed.= =20 On his own label. Scarce.=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?= Subject: RE: Tom Cora Date: 08 May 2002 09:32:56 +0200 Hi, >-----Original Message----- >From: patbor [mailto:patbor@buzzle.com]=20 >Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:46 PM >To: Zorn list >Subject: Tom Cora > >Any information (bio, disco.phy...) > >about TOM CORA > >is well accepted. Beyond the things that were already said, there are two points I would like to make. First, don't let yourself be put off by=20 what Bruce Gallanter says about availability of Tom Cora's recorded input in the sleevenotes of "Brand New Day". _Even_ if much of it has been on small european labels, much of it is quite readily available (given Internet). Second, there are so many different flavours to Tom's recorded output.=20 For this list, I'll just single out some more european=20 aspects (ie not Cuneiform/Knitting Factory/Tzadik etc.): Energetic punk rock -> first The Ex/Tom Cora. Would be one of my ten favourite records. Cheer-up/resist/fight/ song available at: http://www.servus.at/w8/txt_ram/The_Ex_und_Tom_Cora_State_of_Shock.rm For all the RecRec related output (include LPs): it's worth asking the RecRec shop in Zurich http://www.recrec-shop.ch/catalog/default.php or perhaps also its distribution http://www.recrec.ch/ For Nimal CDs (underrated, hence mentioned here),=20 also try asking l'Ensemble Raye directly,=20 they should still have some http://www.music.ch/labelusines/welcome.html I don't know if Cuneiform might not also have some. Finally, maybe more related to this list, Memory and Money, Otomo-related turntable free stuff with both Ms (Erik and Sachiko),=20 is on Stupeur et Trompette (in french), and has=20 the last track with Tom as a sound sample: http://www.stupeur-trompette.org/site/disco/sculpteurs.html I guess that should get you started.=20 Now, if _anyone_ knows how to get hold of these japanese-only CDs with Tom (or any japanese only downtown-related music!), make sure to let us know! St=E9phane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Don Cherry "Actions" Date: 08 May 2002 07:35:55 -0400 I recently picked up the Intuition remastered (24bit) version of "Actions". I also own the Wergo "Pre-release" version. I haven't had time to pick apart the two, but from what I have heard so far the sound seems to be pretty clear. It sounds really nice. Andrew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Don Cherry "Actions" + new surprise topic!!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 2002 12:24:54 +0000 Hello. >I recently picked up the Intuition remastered (24bit) version of "Actions". >I also own the Wergo "Pre-release" version. I haven't had time to pick >apart the two, but from what I have heard so far the sound seems to be >pretty clear. It sounds really nice. Actually, I think the sounds is great, the only thing that bother's me is that apparantly they got Linda Mccartney sing, waaaay in front. At least on the old vinyl I have. Maybe one day Bill Laswell will make new "mix translation" and give this incredible piece the form it deserves. Oh, this might lead to a good discussion. Biggest mistakes in music history! What really makes upset? What would have been soooo great, but just didn't faal in place. And does it concern Zorn whatsoever? Actually, Zorn seem to have made alot of amazing thing possible, which might as well never have, and could have been such a moment. Lets forever thank him for introducing Derek Bailey and Ruins to eachother, and for *forcing* Misha Mengelberg, to make not just one, but two CD of piano trios. Another of my big regrets is that Mengelberg didn't piano on "Machine Gun". If he had, it might well deserve the status it today have. Now, it's merely amazing. And again, that singing on "Actions", what a shame.... Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: satanism Date: 08 May 2002 12:30:31 +0000 Hello. >I must say, though, >that I am neither a Crowley adept nor even very knowledgeable about the >man, >so maybe I am wrong. ?!?! >I'm basing my opinion on the legendary status the >man and his writings have achieved. And, surely, there must be something >very positive in Crowley's approach, otherwise it would never have appealed >to geniuses like Grant Morrison and Alan Moore. This seem to contradict your theesis. >I think in terms >of absolute evil-ness the early albums of Abruptum are unsurpassed. Evil? Come on, they're just wankers. It's young boys goofing around. Testosterone. Not to be taken serious in any way, even though they might think so themselves. It's just pathetic, really. >They >are completely avant-garde in their approach, with sidelong tracks >containing >no structure whatsoever, merely shrieking and scraping and bursts of drums, >etc., ...but it sounds good though. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Widebeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #900 Date: 08 May 2002 09:13:32 EDT --part1_113.112d12cb.2a0a7e7c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crowley as surrealist? That's an interesting angle. That was illuminating to put him into the context of his time. Someone else brought up Harry Smith as a counterpart and there is something to that. Never thought about it but haven't read about Crowley in 15 years. Regarding the work of Crowley, anybody who is interested in Jungian pshchology would do well to read Crowley as a way to understand the dark side of the Self, the Shadow. If read in this context, then the teeth of the supernatural evaporates and all that is left is a whole lot of fear and over emphasis on the dark side of the superego. Quite convoluted mushy thinking and not very helpful. Though Crowley's philosophy does energize nonetheless. my beans - Roy In a message dated 5/7/2002 9:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:53:08 -0700 > From: florid oratory > Subject: Re: Waits on Letterman > > supposedly wednesday of this week: may 8th > > some bay area musicians, among others: > ara anderson--trumpet? or drums? > colin stetson--confident reeds > matt sperry--bass > > - --GC > > "Arthur Gadney" asked: > > > I understand that Tom will be performing on the David Letterman show next > > week. Anybody know who he might be using as backup. it's always fun to > see > > who pops up on these shows from time to time. I saw Cyro Baptista the > other > > day. He was tearing it up, in some other ways ultra lame pop song. > > > - - > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:59:04 +0100 > From: Matthew Moffett > Subject: Re: AW: satanism > > First off, Crowley is not to be taken seriously. He was a poet with a > sense of the bizarre, and loved to shock the uptight literati of > England. Those who take him too seriously only serve to display their > own ignorance (ie Jimmy Page). If born a generation later, Crowley > probably would have been a minor surrealist. > > Second, under what premise do you associate Crowley with the Satanic > Church? Any association is tangential at best. It would be like > calling Duke Ellington free jazz. > > Third, most music billed as "satanic" has more to do with Tolkien and > Dungeons and Dragons than anything with LeVey or his religion. If a > satanic form of music really existed, it would more likely be poppy to > bring more people into the fold. It might be an interesting dichotomy > to explore as a musician, though. > > Now back to Zorn. Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this > project, or what it sounds like? If nothing else, I'm sure he'd be > amused on some level by this debate. Shrouding his music behind lines > of transgression is often his method, and I'm sure it's in part just to > shake things up a bit. > > Thorsten Kr=E4mer wrote: > > = > > > Hello Arthur, > > = > > > thanks for your advice. > > = > > > >Read the sources, not the tabloids. > > > > - - > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:11:46 -0400 > From: "Steve Smith" > Subject: RE: AW: satanism > > Given that I thought much of 'IAO' sounded rather like film music, it > wouldn't surprise me a bit if the true influence was less Crowley, more > filmmaker Kenneth Anger (listed on the disc's obi strip as a Crowley > "disciple"). --part1_113.112d12cb.2a0a7e7c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crowley as surrealist?   That's an interesting angle.  That was illuminating to put him into the context of his time.  Someone else  brought up Harry Smith as a counterpart and there is something to that.   Never thought about it but haven't read about Crowley in 15 years. 

Regarding the work of Crowley, anybody who is interested in Jungian pshchology would do well to read Crowley as a way to understand the dark side of the Self, the Shadow.   If read in this context, then the teeth of the supernatural evaporates and all that is left is a whole lot of fear and over emphasis on the dark side of the superego.  Quite convoluted mushy thinking and not very helpful.  Though Crowley's philosophy does energize nonetheless. 

my beans - Roy





In a message dated 5/7/2002 9:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:


Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:53:08 -0700

supposedly wednesday of this week: may 8th

some bay area musicians, among others:
ara anderson--trumpet? or drums?
colin stetson--confident reeds
matt sperry--bass

- --GC

"Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> asked:

> I understand that Tom will be performing on the David Letterman show next
> week. Anybody know who he might be using as backup. it's always fun to see
> who pops up on these shows from time to time. I saw Cyro Baptista the other
> day. He was tearing it up, in some other ways ultra lame pop song.


- -



First off, Crowley is not to be taken seriously.  He was a poet with a
sense of the bizarre, and loved to shock the uptight literati of
England.  Those who take him too seriously only serve to display their
own ignorance  (ie Jimmy Page).  If born a generation later, Crowley
probably would have been a minor surrealist.

Second, under what premise do you associate Crowley with the Satanic
Church?  Any association is tangential at best.  It would be like
calling Duke Ellington free jazz.

Third, most music billed as "satanic" has more to do with Tolkien and
Dungeons and Dragons than anything with LeVey or his religion.  If a
satanic form of music really existed, it would more likely be poppy to
bring more people into the fold.  It might be an interesting dichotomy
to explore as a musician, though.

Now back to Zorn.  Does anyone know of a stated purpose behind this
project, or what it sounds like?  If nothing else, I'm sure he'd be
amused on some level by this debate.  Shrouding his music behind lines
of transgression is often his method, and I'm sure it's in part just to
shake things up a bit.

Thorsten Kr=E4mer wrote:
> =

> Hello Arthur,
> =

> thanks for your advice.
> =

> >Read the sources, not the tabloids.
>

- -



Given that I thought much of 'IAO' sounded rather like film music, it
wouldn't surprise me a bit if the true influence was less Crowley, more
filmmaker Kenneth Anger (listed on the disc's obi strip as a Crowley
"disciple").


 --part1_113.112d12cb.2a0a7e7c_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecirtap@bluemail.ch Subject: Zorn / Mori / Patton LIMITED EDITION CD Date: 08 May 2002 15:14:10 +0200 Hi boys and girls... Just checked the Tzadik site. They are releasing a limited edition CD of Zorn/Mori/Patton. Thought some of you might be interested. patRice (in Kuching/Borneo now) np: The Cure, B Sides nr: Irvine Welsh, Glue - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: RE: Tom Cora Date: 08 May 2002 16:05:56 +0200 >From: "Hugo Linares" > >Seconded; Leslie's Dalaba's playing is outstanding! >Any other recommendation from him?? she´s female and still active: the last I heard was the Frith double CD Stone, Brick... Another nice CD is her Core Sample with Sussan Deyhim, Elliott Sharp and others. Some other Tom Cora stuff not mentioned so far but highly recommended: Skeleton Crew (both) Butch Morris - Current Trends In Racism Solo - Gumption In Limbo (outstanding) Third Person - The Bends Andreas _________________________________________________________________ Testen Sie MSN Messenger für Ihren Online-Chat mit Freunden: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: best bootleg in world ever Date: 08 May 2002 10:23:42 -0400 OK, after hearing selections from this on WFMU for a while and seeing a couple of reviews, now I wanna know where to get a copy. Any ideas? Thanks, Lang The Funhouse Journal http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/blog/journal.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Cora for sale Date: 08 May 2002 10:30:02 EDT Since there has been some discussion about Cora I thought I'd post this list of discs I have for sale again. If you scan down you'll notice that "Hallelujah, Anyway" is up for grabs. As always, please contact me off-list if you want to bid. I'll ship anywhere and charge you exactly what I pay for packaging and postage. Best, tom Porno For Pyros -- S/T debut Old 97's -- Fight Songs Kelly Hogan -- Because it Felt Good Pretenders -- II Pretenders -- Isle of View Beach Boys -- Party/Stack o Tracks (remastered, sealed) Beach Boys -- Surfer Girl/Shut Down Vol. 2 (remastered, sealed) Beach Boys -- Friends/20-20 (remastered, sealed) Beach Boys -- Today!/Summer Days (remastered) Basketball Diaries -- Soundtrack w/PJ Harvey, Jim Carroll, The Cult, Flea, Soundgarden and others Napalm Death -- Scum Napalm Death -- From Enslavement to Obliteration Jeff Buckley -- Grace Jeff Buckley -- Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk (2CD) Stevie Wonder -- Natural Wonder Suzanne Vega -- Nine Objects of Desire (w/Dave Douglas) Marvin Gaye -- The Last Concert Tour Joe Henry -- Talk of Heaven Joe Henry -- Murder of Crows Victoria Williams -- Loose Charlie Chesterman -- Dynamite Music Machine Rendezvous: Jerome Harris Quintet Plays Jazz (w/Marty Ehrlich) Farmer's Market (on Winter and Winter) Bobby Previte's Empty Suits -- Slay The Suitors (Avant) The Vandermark 5 -- Simpatico Hallelujah Anway -- Remembering Tom Cora (with a TON of NYC Downtown jazzers) Roscoe Mitchell and the Sound and Space Ensembles Cyro Baptista -- Villa Lobos Vira Loucos (w/Greg Cohen, Marc Ribot and John Zorn) Muhal Abrams -- Song For All Wayne Horvitz/Butch Morris/William Parker -- Some Order, Long Understood Shajarian/Lofti -- The Abu-Ata Concert Paul Motian -- Flight of the Blue Jay (winter and winter) Fred Frith and the Ensemble Modern -- Traffic Continues (winter and winter) George E. Lewis -- Voyager (Avant) Chris Speed Trio -- Iffy ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Costello question Date: 08 May 2002 16:58:57 +0200 (CEST) Hi, I’ve been curious about “Spike” and “Mighty Like a Rose” for quite a long time. OK, in the beginning because of Ribot’s presence on both of them but now Costello’s talent stands for itself to me. Are they recommendable? Brief descriptions are welcome. Thanks in advance. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Chicago Underground Duo "Axis and Alignment" (thrill jockey) _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: best bootleg in world ever Date: 08 May 2002 15:49:41 +0000 Eh, sorry, but what are you talking about? >From: >Reply-To: wlt4@mindspring.com >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: best bootleg in world ever >Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:23:42 -0400 > >OK, after hearing selections from this on WFMU for a while and seeing a >couple of reviews, now I wanna know where to get a copy. Any ideas? > >Thanks, Lang > >The Funhouse Journal >http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/blog/journal.htm > > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Costello question Date: 08 May 2002 11:51:24 EDT --part1_10e.10e9e8b1.2a0aa37c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Hi, Costello's Warner years are somewhat controversial in that both hardcore and= =20 casual fans generally either love or hate the releases from that era. =20 Personally speaking, I find the songs on "Spike" and "MLAR" to be diverse --= =20 ranging from Irish ballads, Dixieland romps, Beach Boys layered sugar pop,=20 and funk to straight-up rock and roll -- but over produced. =20 If you are seriously considering purchases, I'd recommend the recent 2CD=20 Rhino reissue of "Spike" which includes demos of almost every song, plus som= e=20 nice bonus material. The demos show the strength of the songs without the=20 sugar coating of the layered production. Similarly, Rhino is about to=20 release a 2CD version of MLAR with demos and bonus material. The Rhinos are= =20 a good deal as they only charge a single CD price. "Spike" is Costello playing a kid in a candy store, the hefty Warner's=20 recording budget letting him indulge every whim. MLAR (a "bearded year"=20 release) sees Costello pissed off and contemplative, aiming barbs the record= =20 industry ("Invasion Hit Parade"), at former Attraction bassist Bruce Thomas=20 (on "How To Be Dumb") and John Lennon, Roger Waters, Sting and Bowie ("The=20 Other Side of Summer"). If you're like me and think Costello is the best=20 lyricist this side of Dylan, then you won't be disappointed. If you are=20 among those who feel Costello's ambition far exceeds his talents and that hi= s=20 lyrics are too opaque and "clever," you might want to steer clear. As for Ribot's playing, he contributes about as much as he did on the Tom=20 Waits albums. Sometimes he merely solos and fills; other times his angular=20 melody drives the songs.=20 Tom Tom=20 In a message dated 5/8/02 10:59:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.e= s=20 writes: > Hi, >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve been curious about =E2=80=9CSpike=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CMight= y Like a > Rose=E2=80=9D for quite a long time. OK, in the beginning > because of Ribot=E2=80=99s presence on both of them but now > Costello=E2=80=99s talent stands for itself to me. Are they > recommendable? Brief descriptions are welcome. >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Efr=C3=A9n del Valle > n.p: Chicago Underground Duo "Axis and Alignment" > (thrill jockey) ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,=20 and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." --part1_10e.10e9e8b1.2a0aa37c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Hi,

Costello's Warner years are somewhat controversial in that both hardcore and= casual fans generally either love or hate the releases from that era. = Personally speaking, I find the songs on "Spike" and "MLAR" to be diverse -= - ranging from Irish ballads, Dixieland romps, Beach Boys layered sugar pop,= and funk to straight-up rock and roll -- but over produced. 

If you are seriously considering purchases, I'd recommend the recent 2CD Rhi= no reissue of "Spike" which includes demos of almost every song, plus some n= ice bonus material.  The demos show the strength of the songs without t= he sugar coating of the layered production.  Similarly, Rhino is about=20= to release a 2CD version of MLAR with demos and bonus material.  The Rh= inos are a good deal as they only charge a single CD price.

"Spike" is Costello playing a kid in a candy store, the hefty Warner's recor= ding budget letting him indulge every whim.  MLAR (a "bearded year" rel= ease) sees Costello pissed off and contemplative, aiming barbs the record in= dustry ("Invasion Hit Parade"), at former Attraction bassist Bruce Thomas (o= n "How To Be Dumb") and John Lennon, Roger Waters, Sting and Bowie ("The Oth= er Side of Summer").  If you're like me and think Costello is the best=20= lyricist this side of Dylan, then you won't be disappointed.  If you ar= e among those who feel Costello's ambition far exceeds his talents and that=20= his lyrics are too opaque and "clever," you might want to steer clear.

As for Ribot's playing, he contributes about as much as he did on the Tom Wa= its albums.  Sometimes he merely solos and fills; other times his angul= ar melody drives the songs.

Tom

Tom

In a message dated 5/8/02 10:59:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efrendv@yahoo.e= s writes:


Hi,

I=E2=80=99ve been curious about =E2=80=9CSpike=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CMighty=20= Like a
Rose=E2=80=9D for quite a long time. OK, in the beginning
because of Ribot=E2=80=99s presence on both of them but now
Costello=E2=80=99s talent stands for itself to me. Are they
recommendable? Brief descriptions are welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

Efr=C3=A9n del Valle
n.p: Chicago Underground Duo "Axis and Alignment"
(thrill jockey)



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Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, a= nd enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." --part1_10e.10e9e8b1.2a0aa37c_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Vandermark 5 double CDs Date: 08 May 2002 15:54:05 +0000 Does anyone know anything about the double CD versions of Burn the Incline and Acoustic Machine? What's on the second disc? Thanks Dave. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ethan Clauset Subject: Re: best bootleg in world ever Date: 08 May 2002 11:59:35 -0400 (EDT) http://www.boomselection.n3.net/ I think this is what you're talking about.. the CD itself, is of course a bootleg, and none of the bootleggers contained therein are getting paid. much less the original artists. what goes around, etc. most of it's available as MP3s at the site above, though. e - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: best bootleg in world ever Date: 08 May 2002 12:08:12 -0400 > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 10:23:42 -0400 > Subject: best bootleg in world ever > > OK, after hearing selections from this on WFMU for a while and seeing a couple of reviews, now I wanna know where to get > a copy. Any ideas? > In NYC, Kim's Underground and Other Music carries it. In London, the Rough Trade shop would have it. Great album but it's actually a bootleg (a poor copy of online files) of the bootlegs themselves. These guys are called 'bootleg remixers' though I've heard Simon Reynolds call this 'bastard pop' too. As it so happens, I'm trying to find venues from one of the DJ's featured on there (Grant McSleazy). Anyone have ideas for good venues for mid-August? See Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Cora Date: 08 May 2002 12:14:32 -0400 >>Now, if _anyone_ knows how to get hold of these japanese-only >>CDs with Tom (or any japanese only downtown-related music!), for anyone interested, we stock the following item: Pigdin Combo - The Long Vacation This documents a previously unknown-to-me collaboration in Japan of cellist/ composer Tom Cora with the legendary Japanese underground band Luna Park Ensemble. A mixture of firmly scored tunes & improvisations & often a mixture of both! Some great playing by Tom, & the others as well. The sax player has a sound reminiscent of Danny Finney (Rattlemouth), so sometimes this actually sounds like the never-made Rattlemouth/Tom Cora album... www.waysidemusic.com Steve - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Re: best bootleg in world ever Date: 08 May 2002 12:18:50 -0400 >it. Great album but it's actually a bootleg (a >poor copy of online files) of the bootlegs I may try Other Music. So is the CD worse quality than the MP3s? I'm guessing it was burned directly from those. I'm still on a dial-up connection so downloading is a major hassle for me; also I've never found a track listing for this particular collection. Thanks for the Boom Selection site; that's the kind of thing I'd been looking for but had trouble locating. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott32x@aol.com Subject: Re: Vandermark 5 double CDs Date: 08 May 2002 12:47:51 EDT --part1_4f.1d2ba38a.2a0ab0b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bonus disc on Burn The Incline is Free Jazz Classics vol. 1--- 1)Happy House (ornette coleman) 2)69L (anthony braxton) 3)Conquistador pt.2 (cecil taylor) 4)Goodbye, Tom B. (joe mcphee) 5)Saturn (sun ra) 6)Gazzelloni (eric dolphy) 7)New York Is Full Of Lonely People (art ensemble of chicago) Acoustic Machine has Free Jazz Classics vol. 2--- 1)Wherever June Bugs Go (archie shepp) 2)King Korn/Calls (carla bley) 3)The Earth/Jerry (The Moon) (frank wright) 4)Scootin' About (jimmy giuffre) 5)C.M.E./G Song (julius hemphill) 6)There Is The Bomb (don cherry) --part1_4f.1d2ba38a.2a0ab0b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bonus disc on Burn The Incline is Free Jazz Classics vol. 1---
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2)69L (anthony braxton)
3)Conquistador pt.2 (cecil taylor)
4)Goodbye, Tom B. (joe mcphee)
5)Saturn (sun ra)
6)Gazzelloni (eric dolphy)
7)New York Is Full Of Lonely People (art ensemble of chicago)

Acoustic Machine has Free Jazz Classics vol. 2---

1)Wherever June Bugs Go (archie shepp)
2)King Korn/Calls (carla bley)
3)The Earth/Jerry (The Moon)  (frank wright)
4)Scootin' About (jimmy giuffre)
5)C.M.E./G Song (julius hemphill)
6)There Is The Bomb (don cherry) --part1_4f.1d2ba38a.2a0ab0b7_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: AN ANTHOLOGY OF NOISE &ELECTRONIC MUSIC Date: 05 May 2002 13:41:32 +0200 > Dit bericht heeft een MIME-indeling. Aangezien uw e-maillezer deze indeling niet ondersteunt, is dit bericht mogelijk gedeeltelijk of geheel niet leesbaar. --MS_Mac_OE_3103450892_90362_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable i received this some time ago from the sub rosa maillist. since the ohm-discs are discussed, i guess this will interest everyone... jan Weynants=20 VA : AN ANTHOLOGY OF NOISE & ELECTRONIC MUSIC * an anthology of noise & electronic music * first a-chronology 1921-2001 * volume 1 digipack 2 cd + 24 pages booklet SR190 =20 barcode 5411867111900 EFA 27680-2 ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ AN UNPUBLISHED HISTORY this is the great beginning of a vast anthology of "noise and electronic music" that we plan for the following years in 7 double volumes. this volume begins in the 1920s, with the Russolo brothers, and looks at each decade in turn - Var=E8se, Cage, Schaeffer, Xenakis, the great pioneers = - the first traces of a music that was necessarily revolutionary: electronic music, created from nothing (and hence to be entirely invented). some piece= s on these CDs are certainly classics, but there are others, which, though old, were distributed informally or never even released. our more contemporary pieces are, wherever possible, previously unreleased. This volume begins in the 1920s, with the Russolo brothers, and looks at each decade in turn - Var=E8se, Cage, Schaeffer, Xenakis, the great pioneers - the first traces of a music that was necessarily revolutionary: electronic music, created from nothing (and hence to be entirely invented). some pieces on these CDs are certainly classics, but there are others, which, though old, were distributed informally or never even released. our more contemporary pieces are, wherever possible, previously unreleased. in fact, more than the half of what we listen here is unreleased and unpublished. ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ THE GATHERING OF ECLECTIC NOISE MAKERS whereas composers like Stockhausen, Berio or Pousseur had come from serialism and began making electronic music as a continuation of their work with traditional instruments, others such as Boehmer or Oliveros composed right away on electronic bases; there were those who invented new methods, like Schaeffer and concrete music, others were outsiders, revolutionaries or visionaries like Xenakis or Cage, without forgetting the branch of sound derived from dada, the complex forms of free jazz, John Coltrane, the acoustic and electronic improvisation scene, rock of the alternative, psychedelic and industrial varieties, the German wave of the 1970s, the last generation of electronic musicians from the beginning or middle of the 1990s, DJs, reinventors of drones, painters or sculptors usin= g sound, and process or software creators. The noise goes on=8A ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ WHAT CONTAINS THIS FIRST EDITION=8A Luigi and Antonio Russolo * 1921 John Cage * 1965=20 Sonic Youth * 1983=20 Einsturzende Neubauten * 1998 Walter Ruttman * 1930 Pierre Schaeffer * 1948 Iannis Xenakis * 1958 Paul D. Miller aka dj Spooky That Subliminal Kid * 2001 Gordon Mumma * 1965 Angus Maclise, Tony Conrad and John Cale * 1965 Philip Jeck, Otomo Yoshihide and Martin T=E9treault * 2000 Survival Research Laboratories * 1992 Konrad Boehmer * 1966 Nam June Paik * 1958-59 Henri Pousseur * 1957 Edgard Var=E8se * 1958 Pauline Oliveros * 1966 Ryoji Ikeda * 1997 curated by guy-marc hinant ___________________________________________________________________________= _ __ file under: early electronic ref: SR190 full lenght 2cd street release date: late April 2002 ___________________________________________________________________________= _ ___ * sub rosa 45 avenue de woluwe st lambert 1200 brussels belgium -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Don Cherry "Actions" + new surprise topic!!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 2002 17:05:26 -0700 On Wed, 08 May 2002 12:24:54 +0000 "Arthur Gadney" wrote: > > Another of my big regrets is that Mengelberg didn't piano on "Machine Gun". > If he had, it might well deserve the status it today have. Now, it's merely > amazing. But don't you think that Fred Van Hove is a better player in such context? I love both Misha and Fred, but I really don't see Misha playing on MACHINE GUN. In fact, is there any full-blowing record with Misha (I really mean full-blowing-guts-on-the-table, not just getting your shirt wet)? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: save internet radio Date: 08 May 2002 17:24:47 -0700 (PDT) i'm a dj at a local college radio station. we broadcast over the internet in addition to over fm radio. the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) requires a sound recordings performance royalty rate. this rate, as recommended by the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP) is set to be finalised may 21st. this royalty rate is higher than any royalty currently being paid by am and fm radio broadcasters and is set at a fixed price per song per listener. our station averages approximately 40,000 listeners per day. at $0.0014 for independent web-broadcasters, or $0.0007 for simulcast air/web broadcast per song per listener, this is a huge sum. and that royalty is retroactive to 1998. in addition, royalty accounting, record keeping and reporting requirements have been requested by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) that are beyond the abilities of most small college and independent webcasters and broadcasters. if the royalties do not bankrupt us, the cost of administering the royalty rate will. this may not have much effect to broadcasters outside the United States (unless your broadcasts are being transmitted by stations here in the states), but it will have a chilling effect on the future of internet radio. there's a huge amount of information on this issue at: http://www.saveinternetradio.org we also have a link to a form where you can fax your U.S. representative, urging them to take action with the Copyright Office and see that this ruling does not stick. incredible radio stations like WFMU, WREK, KTRU, WZBC and KFJC would be affected by this. if you have a moment, please go to our website and fill out the form to fax your representantive. and pass this message on. tell your friends and family. it is very important. http://www.kfjc.org/save.internet.radio.html thanks. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 08 May 2002 21:53:42 -0400 >I don't mean to quibble, but I think that $0.15 per song per listener is >incorrect. It's actually more like $0.0014 for independent >web-broadcasters, and $0.0007 for simulcast air/web broadcast. I'm not >sure how college radio stations fit into these categories. 15 Cents or 14/100ths, It's especially sad that the artists discussed here rarely, if ever, see any of this money, - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 00:26:41 EDT Does anyone know where I can get the score for the star wars films? I am in NYC. I am most interested the new Attack of the Clones score but I doubt that is available yet. The Star Wars Saga reminds me a great deal of Wagner's Ring. The development of themes is similar and I noticed that the theme that the Attack of the Clones uses for Anakin and his girlfriend's love theme is very similar to the renounciation of love theme in the Ring. They both start off with a minor 6th using the same rhythmic pattern. I wonder if that was coincidence. Also, like Sigfried and Gotterdammerung, now that we are this far along in the story, John Williams has plenty of familiar themes to work with from the past to tell the story musically. I think I have a pretty good idea of what happens from listening to the music alone. I will find out of May 17. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 08 May 2002 21:53:54 -0700 on 5/8/02 6:53 PM, Rich Williams at punkjazz@snet.net wrote: >> I don't mean to quibble, but I think that $0.15 per song per listener is >> incorrect. It's actually more like $0.0014 for independent >> web-broadcasters, and $0.0007 for simulcast air/web broadcast. I'm not >> sure how college radio stations fit into these categories. > > 15 Cents or 14/100ths, It's especially sad that the artists > discussed here rarely, if ever, see any of this money, > > - > and, even worse, while we're not seeing that money, one of the few outlets for unusual music is being threatened. The internet was supposed to help marginal artists. I don't see shuttering net radio as in any way healthy for music and/or its consumers. skip h - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Evans" Subject: Vandermark 5 double CDs Date: 09 May 2002 07:19:20 +0000 Hi, Probably a silly question but are these just compilations or do V5 play this stuff themselves. Thanks bonus disc on Burn The Incline is Free Jazz Classics vol. 1--- 1)Happy House (ornette coleman) 2)69L (anthony braxton) 3)Conquistador pt.2 (cecil taylor) 4)Goodbye, Tom B. (joe mcphee) 5)Saturn (sun ra) 6)Gazzelloni (eric dolphy) 7)New York Is Full Of Lonely People (art ensemble of chicago) Acoustic Machine has Free Jazz Classics vol. 2--- 1)Wherever June Bugs Go (archie shepp) 2)King Korn/Calls (carla bley) 3)The Earth/Jerry (The Moon) (frank wright) 4)Scootin' About (jimmy giuffre) 5)C.M.E./G Song (julius hemphill) 6)There Is The Bomb (don cherry) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 03:23:08 EDT In a message dated 5/9/02 12:51:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, velaires@earthlink.net writes: << and, even worse, while we're not seeing that money, one of the few outlets for unusual music is being threatened. The internet was supposed to help marginal artists. I don't see shuttering net radio as in any way healthy for music and/or its consumers. >> Hopefully we'll see a backlash by artists opposed to such restrictions-ones that are not aligned with the RIAA's position. I mean, If I was an artist trying to gather a following, I'd tell the RIAA to bugger off and welcome *any* webcaster to stream my wares. But- I'm not, so it probably means nothing... -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bernie hotmail" Subject: V5: Free jazz Classics Vol.1 bonus track Date: 09 May 2002 09:24:23 +0200 There are some CDs (Vandermark 5-Free Jazz Classics Vol.1) "on the loose" with an added bonus track. This song is a live version of "Limited Edition". The studio version can be listened in the album "Single piece flow" (2nd track). Bernie. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 10:08:35 +0000 Hello, Semi-related: Did anybody else notice that not only was the music for "Lord of the Rings" horrible, it also ripped off "Titanic"?! Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 12:15:27 +0200 since internet radio is discussed, any good recommendations for online stations, ... who program music we discuss here? avantgarde, prog, jazz, ... thanks jW - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Tom Waits again...... Date: 09 May 2002 10:36:53 +0000 Hello, Did anybody catch Tom Waits on the Letterman show? How was it? Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.A.Bueno" Subject: Re: internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 08:49:41 -0300 THERE`S AN INTERESTING PROGRAM TONITE Don't miss NOISE on CJSW 90.9fm, www.cjsw.com, Thursday May 9th, 9:00-10:30 p.m. MST when Zeena Parkins will be interviewed live. Zeena Parkins, as you may know, is an important figure of the New York Downtown scene. She plays electric harp, an instrument she invented, and uses pedals and inventive techniques in her improvisation. Bands she has been in include Skeleton Crew with Fred Frith and Tom Cora, No Safety with Chris Cochrane, she's worked with Elliot Sharp, John Zorn, Ikue Mori, she played on Bjork's most recent... she's recorded tons of albums and CDs. Listen and happy noise, Paula "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" wrote: > since internet radio is discussed, any good recommendations > for online stations, ... who program music we discuss here? > avantgarde, prog, jazz, ... > > thanks > > jW > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Tom Waits' Alice and Blood Date: 09 May 2002 08:01:21 EDT --part1_161.d7d09b2.2a0bbf11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just picked these up yesterday and have started familiarizing myself with them, and I noticed in the liner notes that Robert Wilson is credited in the "thank you's" for "directing the premiere of Alice" (on Alice, dated December 1992) and "Directed the premiere of Woyzeck by Georg Buchner" (on Blood Money, dated November 2000). So, am I to take it that these two CD's were the songs from some kind of theatre pieces? Anyone? Dale. --part1_161.d7d09b2.2a0bbf11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just picked these up yesterday and have started familiarizing myself with them, and I noticed in the liner notes that Robert Wilson is credited in the "thank you's" for "directing the premiere of Alice" (on Alice, dated December 1992) and "Directed the premiere of Woyzeck by Georg Buchner" (on Blood Money, dated November 2000). So, am I to take it that these two CD's were the songs from some kind of theatre pieces? Anyone?

Dale. --part1_161.d7d09b2.2a0bbf11_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Tom Waits' Alice and Blood Date: 09 May 2002 14:10:14 +0200 (CEST) Hi, So, am I to take it > that these two CD's were the > songs from some kind of theatre pieces? Anyone? > > Dale. Yes, they are two theatre plays. In fact, one of them (can't remember which) was performed recently in Madrid (spain), too bad for Barcelona-based fans like me. :-( The reviews were pretty good and the music was recorded if I'm not wrong. No live band and, of course, no Waits. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Elvis Costello "Extreme Honey" _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 14:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can get the score for the > star wars films? I am in > NYC. I am most interested the new Attack of the > Clones score but I doubt > that is available yet. I'd swear I've already seen it in the stores here (Spain), so I guess it should have been released in the US as well (in fact, I've found it at tower records' website I think). Be careful when reading the titles, though. The "Episode I" soundtrack unveiled the death of Liam Neeson's character two months before the theatrical release of the film- a song titled "Qui-Gon's Funeral" gave quite a lot away. What I call an intelligent marketing campaign!! Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 09:31:28 EDT --part1_179.8091eda.2a0bd430_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/9/02 6:10:39 AM, a_gadney@hotmail.com writes: << Semi-related: Did anybody else notice that not only was the music for "Lord of the Rings" horrible, it also ripped off "Titanic"?! >> And it won an oscar. --part1_179.8091eda.2a0bd430_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINZD42-0509061039; Thu, 09 May 2002 06:10:39 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v85.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD27-0509061029; Thu, 09 May 2002 06:10:29 -0400 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 175kql-0005Nw-00 for zorn-list-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:08:39 -0600 Received: from [216.32.241.114] (helo=hotmail.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 175kqj-0005Nr-00 for zorn-list@lists.xmission.com; Thu, 9 May 2002 04:08:37 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 03:08:35 -0700 Received: from 194.117.133.196 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 10:08:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.117.133.196] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 10:08:35.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B1604A0:01C1F741] Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello, Semi-related: Did anybody else notice that not only was the music for "Lord of the Rings" horrible, it also ripped off "Titanic"?! Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - --part1_179.8091eda.2a0bd430_boundary-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Swelling Subject: CortexBomb "Fist or Finger" Date: 09 May 2002 08:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Zornies, The second CD from Tucson's Cortex Bomb is now available. you can listen to it, and order one (if you feel moved" at CDBABY. Cortex Bomb is a Zorn influenced 5 piece specializing in cut-up type manic music not without a sense of humor. Please visit- http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/cortexbomb2 for more info on their new cd, and have an inspired day. much love, Richard Swelling CB-bass and such. http://www.mockbrawn.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 11:16:10 -0400 If you're talking about the soundtrack CD for 'Attack of the Clones,' that came out on April 23. It's currently available everywhere, with one standard cover and three limited edition variant covers (collect 'em all, and then buy the "definitive edition" that will most likely follow a year later...). I agree with you about the leitmotif notion, which is why it surprised me when I tried to draw Williams out on the subject (using precisely that term) for an article that will appear here in NYC on opening day. He essentially said he had viewed 'Star Wars' no differently than any of the other scores he'd penned previously. I suppose the leitmotif notion may be a subjective interpretation that has arisen simply because we have recurring characters in multiple films - the famous cello theme in Jaws is another example, except that in that series there were fewer recurring characters (and only one with a "theme song"!). Williams's description of writing the Cantina Band scene was pretty priceless... he said that he'd originally had no idea what to write, and then Lucas told him, "Imagine if on some planet light years away these little guys found the sheet music for Benny Goodman's swing-band arrangements under a rock and tried to play them upside-down and backwards..." The image worked: Williams had first-hand experience with jazz, since he'd gigged as a pianist with Shelley Manne, Art Pepper and Bud Shank before turning to scoring. (He's also the pianist you hear on the 'West Side Story' soundtrack and the 'Peter Gunn' theme...) The new score, I think, is much, much stronger than the score for Episode One. But then, that's true of the film, as well. And just as a number of familiar characters from the original "second" trilogy begin to make appearances here, so does their music. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Re: save internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 11:29:12 -0400 The backlash here in the New York area is the suggestion that WFMU might start to cull the more mainstream of its offerings, broadcasting and webcasting only the "little guys" with which it can make deals directly and non-American labels which are not signatory to the RIAA's mandates. Score one for the little guys, then, except that for free-form radio, any diminution of the available music pool is a bad thing. Here's a quote that ran in an article in this week's Time Out New York that will confirm exactly what you expect, as regards the RIAA: "Nevertheless, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), a prime mover in these discussions and a supporter of [the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel]'s recommendations, claims shrinkage is good. Dr. Thomas Nagle, one of the RIAA's economists, says that losing 'marginal or insignificant' stations would be beneficial for the industry; it would mean that remaining webcasters could attract advertisers who are now reluctant to buy time on Net radio because of geographic constraints and free-form programming." Welcome to the machine. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Thorr's Hammer, "Norge," 'Dommedagsnatt' (Southern Lord) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: re: Star wars and the ring Date: 09 May 2002 12:10:58 EDT I guess i didn't make myself clear. I have the soundtrack, what I am looking for is the written scores. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 09:36:55 -0700 on 5/9/02 12:23 AM, Dgasque@aol.com at Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > Hopefully we'll see a backlash by artists opposed to such restrictions-ones > that are not aligned with the RIAA's position. I mean, If I was an artist > trying to gather a following, I'd tell the RIAA to bugger off and welcome > *any* webcaster to stream my wares. But- I'm not, so it probably means > nothing... > > -- > =dg= > > - I wish that was so, but you'd be shocked how many artists are hateful about this issue. sh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 09:47:47 -0700 (PDT) well, if artists and listeners alike voice their dissent now, before the ruling is finalised, it will certianly make more of a difference... On Thu, 9 May 2002 Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > Hopefully we'll see a backlash by artists opposed to such restrictions-ones > that are not aligned with the RIAA's position. I mean, If I was an artist > trying to gather a following, I'd tell the RIAA to bugger off and welcome > *any* webcaster to stream my wares. But- I'm not, so it probably means > nothing... > > -- > =dg= > > - > > Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 13:09:41 EDT In a message dated 5/9/02 11:29:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com quoted: << "Nevertheless, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), a prime mover in these discussions and a supporter of [the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel]'s recommendations, claims shrinkage is good. Dr. Thomas Nagle, one of the RIAA's economists, says that losing 'marginal or insignificant' stations would be beneficial for the industry; it would mean that remaining webcasters could attract advertisers who are now reluctant to buy time on Net radio because of geographic constraints and free-form programming." >> Man oh man...where in the hell do they come up with this fertilizer? Of course, 90% of the web stations affected by this ruling probably don't even *have* advertising. This is nothing but an elimination of the major label's competition under the guise of "pity the ripped-off musician" legislation. Typical bureaucratic nonsense. I hope it backfires in their collective faces. Idiots. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Heller Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 09 May 2002 10:19:16 -0700 on 5/9/02 10:09 AM, Dgasque@aol.com at Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > << "Nevertheless, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), a > prime mover in these discussions and a supporter of [the Copyright > Arbitration Royalty Panel]'s recommendations, claims shrinkage is good. Dr. > Thomas Nagle, one of the RIAA's economists, says that losing 'marginal or > insignificant' stations would be beneficial for the industry; it would mean > that remaining webcasters could attract advertisers who are now reluctant to > buy time on Net radio because of geographic constraints and free-form > programming." >> > > Man oh man...where in the hell do they come up with this fertilizer? Of > course, 90% of the web stations affected by this ruling probably don't even > *have* advertising. This is nothing but an elimination of the major label's > competition under the guise of "pity the ripped-off musician" legislation. > Typical bureaucratic nonsense. I hope it backfires in their collective faces. > > Idiots. > > -- > =dg= Unfortunately, the idiots have better lobbyists than indie musicians will ever be able to afford. And on that hangs the law. sh - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom Waits again...... Date: 09 May 2002 13:17:22 EDT Waits was his usual amazing self on letterman last night. He performed "all the world is green." Dave introduced him as the GREAT Tom Waits. Dave still seemed amazed by how beautiful the performance was. the conversation afterwards was typical waits humor only tom seemed much more comfortable then when he was last on letterman back in 1987 (he may have been on again since then) when he performed "more than rain" to promote Frank's Wild Years. at that time he seemed real out of place and letterman just didn't understand Tom yet. To answer the other waits question - Yes both albums are the music from theatre plays that tom and his wife kathleen brennan had written some time ago. the demos for these albums have been circulating for years so to serious waits fans like myself, there is liitle unheard material on either of these albums though they are slightly different arrangements and recordings from the demos. -mt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 10:03:23 -0700 At 10:08 AM +0000 5/9/2002, Arthur Gadney wrote: >Hello, > >Semi-related: Did anybody else notice that not only was the music >for "Lord of the Rings" horrible, it also ripped off "Titanic"?! > I never watched "Titanic" closely enough to really hear the score (god, what an atrocity of a film!), but I do think that "Lord of the Rings" is not anywhere near the best of what Howard Shore can do. Kind of disappointing. -- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Tom Waits again...... Date: 10 May 2002 03:35:24 +1000 Well he has been on at least one other time, playing 'Chocolate Jesus' from Mule Variations... > Waits was his usual amazing self on letterman last night. He performed "all > the world is green." Dave introduced him as the GREAT Tom Waits. Dave still > seemed amazed by how beautiful the performance was. the conversation > afterwards was typical waits humor only tom seemed much more comfortable then > when he was last on letterman back in 1987 (he may have been on again since > then) when he performed "more than rain" to promote Frank's Wild Years. at > that time he seemed real out of place and letterman just didn't understand > Tom yet. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Star Wars and the Ring Date: 09 May 2002 11:23:16 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:08:35 +0000 >From: "Arthur Gadney" >Subject: Re: Star Wars and the Ring > >Hello, > >Semi-related: Did anybody else notice that not only >was the music for "Lord >of the Rings" horrible, it also ripped off "Titanic"?! Yeah, I found it to be a distraction to the incredible visuals- which in this movie is a crime. Nearly every beautiful shot was filled with overwrought music- ugh. And then the guy wins an Oscar for his dumb and obvious score. ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ryan Novak Subject: Re: Tom Waits again...... Date: 09 May 2002 11:29:03 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:36:53 +0000 >From: "Arthur Gadney" >Subject: Tom Waits again...... > >Hello, > >Did anybody catch Tom Waits on the Letterman show? >How >was it? Well, it was great of course, maybe someone will know the musicians that played with him, since I didn't recognize anybody. And Dave talked with him for a segment as well, and he was really funny- talking about how he didn't get any recognition on a visit to a music store, but then everyone knew him at the dump. :~) Really made me itchy to get those CDs- I'll have them by tonight I think. ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Selvig Subject: DMCA horrors Date: 09 May 2002 12:21:37 -0700 "15 Cents or 14/100ths, It's especially sad that the artists discussed here rarely, if ever, see any of this money." - but isn't it heartening to think of the copyright lawyers, RIAA lobbyists, and independent promoters gobbling it all up? Chris Selvig - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: save internet radio Date: 10 May 2002 04:25:55 EDT In a message dated 5/9/02 1:16:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, velaires@earthlink.net writes: << Unfortunately, the idiots have better lobbyists than indie musicians will ever be able to afford. And on that hangs the law. >> Oh well-guess I'll join them. I'm off to buy a Backstreet Boys CD. -- =dg= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?nicola=20negri?= Subject: Re: Tom Waits again...... Date: 10 May 2002 12:03:30 +0200 (CEST) >Subject: Tom Waits again...... >Hello, >Did anybody catch Tom Waits on the Letterman show? How was it? >Cheers, Well, i saw it yesterday night.. how was it..? it was tom waits, of course. he sang "all the world is green" from 'blood money', with acoustic guitar (himself), vibes (marimba?), contrabass, cello and clarinet. didn't recognize any of the musicians. and yes, the performance was thrilling. then he sat down with david letterman and told a story about how he once went to a music shop, and he stood by the instruments, waiting to be recognized, and nobody noticed him. while another time he went to a dump, where everybody knew who he was. then letterman asked him about his early years, and how it was to play before the main artists. tom replied saying that he felt like a rectal thermometer. you can imagine.. anyway, he then began telling a story about a concert he did with buffalo bob, but he couldn't end the story, he couldn't even start it, that the show ended. so the ending was a little hurried, but anyway it was great. as a side note, tom wore a stunning color-changing purple-grey dress. wow. ok, hope this gave you an idea of how it was.. see ya nic ______________________________________________________________________ Con Yahoo! vinci viaggi per i Mondiali FIFA 2002 http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://lasfida.yahoo.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcel Kranendonk" Subject: Antw: Naked City live Date: 10 May 2002 15:06:02 -0700 Sorry, can't remember. At the time I had no idea who this Stipe-person was. He was quite famous in the States and maybe also in Europe, but I didn't know the bloke. have fun marcel ---------- >Van: "Arthur Gadney" >Aan: ssmith36@sprynet.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Onderwerp: RE: Naked City live >Datum: zon, 5 mei 2002 05:48 > >>Hey, why not Stipe? He sang a mean version of Moby Grape's "Omaha" with the >>Golden Palominos... > > Yea yea, and Whitney Huston sang with Material, but.... What did Stipe > actually perform?? Not "Demon Sanctuary" I suspect! > > Cheers, > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jason tors Subject: alasnoaxis - live - reviews ? Date: 10 May 2002 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Hello, alasnoaxis played two sets at tonic last night, anyone there that would care to post a review? -still waiting for my care package from dmg... np- [in the office] moulin rouge, thank goodness for headphones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: alasnoaxis - live - reviews ? Date: 10 May 2002 09:11:52 -0700 >>>np- [in the office] moulin rouge, thank goodness for headphones<<< Yeah, it is much nicer to focus on all those tunes without interference from office clamour. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thierry Raguin Subject: Re: NC at the KF Date: 11 May 2002 19:58:34 +0200 I have two bootlegs of Naked City: *** Berlin, 08-11-1988: 1 Graveyard Shift 2 Erotico 3 Batman 4 Latin Quarter 5 James Bond Theme 6 Inside Straight 7 Taxi Driver Theme 8 Pretty Lonely Woman 9 Zapata 10 You Will Be Shot 11 Den Of Sins 12 Outro *** Naked City with Mike Patton (live in Paris???) 1 Hawaii 5-0 Theme 2 Osake Bondage 3 Sack Of Shit 4 Dead Spot 5 Ujaku 6 Blunt Instrument 7 Bonehead 8 Torture Garden 9 Igneous Ejaculation 10 The Prestidigitator 11 Shock Corridor 12 ??? 13 Triggerfingers 14 A Night In Tunisia 15 George Clinton / Parliament Cover 16 Sunset Surfer 17 Snagglepuss 18 Party Girl 19 Blood Is Thin 20 Speedfreaks 21 Hellraiser 22 Thrash Jazz Assassin 23 Blood Duster 24 Shangkuan Ling-Feng 25 ??? 26 Pistol Whipping 27 ??? 28 ??? Both are great!!! I think I got them from Caca Volante. If someone is interested, I can try to make them available. Just ask and be patient ;-) - TR richard ladew wrote: > What do people think of the first Naked City Live? > > I was hoping for more unreleased stuff, but the Big John Patton and > extra Morricone track were pretty cool. Hope there are remaining live > discs that have Patton (Mike) sitting in for EYE. I'd love to have that. > > > Rich Ladew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwoodwor Subject: RE: Brotzmann/ Necking and Victoriaville Date: 12 May 2002 09:29:45 -0300 How about whoever is interested meet at the Motel Colibri for breakfast at 10:30 AM on the Saturday?? Mike w >===== Original Message From Mike Chamberlain ===== >on 4/5/02 9:50 AM, mwoodwor at mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca wrote: > > >> FInally, might be a good idea for members of the zorn-list >> who will be attending Victoriaville to meet up on one of the >> nights/days? Any interest? >> >> mike >> >We could meet at one of the finer restaurants in Victoriaville. >Uhhh....scratch that. We could meet at the finest poutine palace in the >world. Then again, maybe the Colibri for breakfast on Saturday or Sunday >morning would be the easiest. Anyway, who all's going? Brian? Kurt? >Patrice? Juan Antonio? I'm heading up on Friday afternoon, driving from >Montreal at about 1, if anyone is interested in a ride from downtown. > >--Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: NC at the KF Date: 12 May 2002 12:42:47 +0000 Hello, >9 Zapata What's that!? >7 Hawai 5-0 Theme Probably the coolest cover version they did, esp with EYE on vocals. Hope it will pop up on a live cd! >14 A Night In Tunisia This is great! Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thierry Raguin Subject: Re: NC at the KF Date: 12 May 2002 22:41:58 +0200 Arthur Gadney wrote: > Hello, > >> 9 Zapata > > > What's that!? I have no idea... It was the name of the file when I got it... I started to put the files on a server for Zachary, but it's not the best solution since I don't have a permanent IP address and my computer is really really noisy! So I will try to build up a server ASAP and put my naked city bootlegs on it. I also have a live album of Keep The Dog in Glasgow, with JZ and Tenko. I'll send a mail to the list when the server is up ;-) - TR PS: Sorry for the delay Zachary. Hope you managed to get at least the first songs... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thierry Raguin Subject: Naked City Live Date: 12 May 2002 23:41:14 +0200 I just set up a server: http://kobaia27.homedns.org/ For now, there is only Naked City live with Mike Patton. I will start putting more things soon and on demand. I'm not always connected but if you have problems, just e-mail me or send me a message using ICQ, AIM or MSN (screen names are in the Welcome.txt file). - TR - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: Zorn/Patton/Mori - IAO Date: 13 May 2002 04:10:21 -0700 (PDT) When someone on the list gets a copy of the new Zorn/Patton/Mori release - please e-mail a detailed account of what the album sounds like to the list... By the IAO, one of Zorn's latest, is really great. Almost as diverse as Taboo and Exile. Only 7 tracks though. 4 of which are really amazing... ===== -That which is Theo Insofar as the coercive powers of government are to be used to insure that particular people get particular things, it requires a kind of discrimination between, and an unequal treatment of, different people which is irreconcilable with a free society. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Zorn/Patton/Mori - IAO Date: 13 May 2002 12:29:06 +0000 Hello, >When someone on the list gets a copy of the new >Zorn/Patton/Mori release - please e-mail a detailed >account of what the album sounds like to the list... Judging from the reviews I have heard of the concerts, I wouldn't fork out all that money. But wh knows, maybe it's better on CD. In fact, I think that might well be the case. Ikue Mori is always awesome. So yea, if anybody buys it, please post a comment or two. > By the IAO, one of Zorn's latest, is really great. >Only 7 tracks though. 4 of which are really amazing... And three which are....? Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeni Dahmus" Subject: Victoriaville - NY ride? Date: 13 May 2002 13:04:38 -0400 Due to a last minute change in plans, I may attend the Victoriaville = festival this weekend. If anyone in the NY area is willing to share a = ride, please email me privately. Thanks. Jeni - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Victoriaville? Date: 13 May 2002 13:11:12 EDT Can anyone please post a link to an English-language site that provides all the details of the Victoriaville festival? I mihgt be able to go but need to know where and how much it is. Many thanks, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@centras.lt (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Re: Victoriaville? Date: 13 May 2002 13:14:42 -0400 http://www.fimav.qc.ca/ At 01:11 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone please post a link to an English-language site that provides all >the details of the Victoriaville festival? I mihgt be able to go but need to - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Theo Klaase Subject: IAO / Zorn/Patton/Mori Date: 14 May 2002 07:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Would someone review there thoughts on the new Zorn/Patton/Mori album? IAO is pretty good. Not Taboo and Exile - maybe it's not fair to compare the two. It sounds like a horror movie film score at times. 7 songs was too short - surely. Most of the album is wonderfully hypnotic and de-void of any real melody. The album is often abstract sounds and hints of something larger with the coherency remaining intact through out - a credit to the composer... New ground? No. Compelling? You bet! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: IAO / Zorn/Patton/Mori Date: 14 May 2002 10:23:26 -0400 Zorn/Patton/Mori isn't due for release until the first week of June, at best, according to Bruce at DMG. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - John Adams, Naive and Sentimental Music (Nonesuch) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thierry Raguin Subject: Re: IAO / Zorn/Patton/Mori Date: 14 May 2002 20:05:05 +0200 This is the confirmation of my order: "this is expected to be ready for shipping in the first week of June". We will have to wait a little bit...and hope it won't be as delayed as NC ;-) - TR Steve Smith wrote: >Zorn/Patton/Mori isn't due for release until the first week of June, at >best, according to Bruce at DMG. > >Steve Smith >ssmith36@sprynet.com >NP - John Adams, Naive and Sentimental Music (Nonesuch) > > >- > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: recent merzbow? Date: 14 May 2002 15:05:24 -0400 So how are recent Merzbow releases? I started listening to him in the mid 80s when it was all cassettes that were mostly ordered directly from him and then the RRR LP and the first CDS. But about 30 of these seemed enough: they didn't actually all sound the same but close enough, y'know. The last I got was the Tzadik release. But descriptions I've read about others over the past few years sound like they might be worth checking out. Esp Amlux, Ikebukuro Dada, Live at Radio 100, Door Open at 8am. Opinions? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: recent merzbow? Date: 14 May 2002 20:31:36 -0400 I've got Live at Radio 100, and it's a hoot listening to Merzbow spin Louis Armstrong and the Beach Boys. I'm not a Merzbow collector by any stretch (I just got 1930 on a recent binge, but haven't listened to it yet), so I can't compare it to anything specific, but I have listened to this more than a lot of the noise I get. At 03:05 PM 5/14/02 -0400, wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: >So how are recent Merzbow releases? I started listening to him in the mid 80s when it was all cassettes that were mostly ordered directly from him and then the RRR LP and the first CDS. But about 30 of these seemed enough: they didn't actually all sound the same but close enough, y'know. The last I got was the Tzadik release. > >But descriptions I've read about others over the past few years sound like they might be worth checking out. Esp Amlux, Ikebukuro Dada, Live at Radio 100, Door Open at 8am. Opinions? > >- > > > -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Frank Kuehn Subject: Zapata Date: 14 May 2002 19:50:25 -0600 "Zapata" is by John Barry, as announced by John Zorn on the bootleg I have. I think he said it was written for a small combo JB had, way back when. Dan in Taos PS - If anyone remembers an NYC old-timer (post-bop?) named Frank Morgan, he's moved to Taos NM, and regularly plays at local venues here. Mostly standards, played well but not so exciting to me. BUT, two nights ago, I caught him jamming a a private party with a bunch of drummers and another local sax guy, Peter Barbeau(Peter on sopranino and Frank on tenor) and I was happily blown away by about 50 minutes of fairly "out" stuff. Thank's, Frank - you still got it! I recorded direct to my laptop - it came out good, if anyone's interested. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Electronic Music in RealAudio, Mappings play list for week Date: 15 May 2002 06:43:18 -0500 Hi y'all, This week on Mappings , you'll hear electronic music by composers Robert Ashley, Nicolas Collins, Thomas Gaudynski, Tom Heasley, Tetsu Inoue, Janek Schaefer, Carl Stone, Charles Wuorinen, and Richard Zvonar. The show went online Wednesday morning around 7:00 AM (-0500 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program (featuring music by composer Cornelius Cardew) is still available in the Mappings archive (click on the link to last week's show on the page noted above), soon you will again find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: Re: recent Merzbow Date: 15 May 2002 08:32:15 -0400 Personally, I like the new Merzbow discs quite a lot. I haven't heard Amlux, but have Collapse 12 Floors, Ikebukuro Dada, Hard Lovin' Man, and Dharma. Live at Radio 100 and Door Open at 8am aren't exactly "recent" - they still represent the 'analog' Merzbow, i.e. work with EMS, theremin, synths, metals/junk, turntables, etc. The four mentionned above (and Amlux, and also the Frogs LP, made with samples of frogs) are from the new digital Merzbow, created with a laptop. All are good, but he's getting better at it with every release, and I really love Hard Lovin' Man (made from Deep Purple samples of that song (!!)). Some noise purists debate that he's gotten softer and that it's not as good, refusing anything that was made in this laptop era; but I think it shows great progress by Masami Akita, who doesn't have to rely on huge walls of sound all the time anymore. Ikebukuro Dada has atonal orchestral samples, Dharma has some piano samples. I think there's a lot more dynamic variety than in some of his older work. Of course, all this among scorching washes of distortion and feedback, but hey, don't expect Masami to go soft on us just because he's getting older. Hope that helps, Bruno >>>>>>>>>> So how are recent Merzbow releases? I started listening to him in the mid 80s when it was all cassettes that were mostly ordered directly from him and then the RRR LP and the first CDS. But about 30 of these seemed enough: they didn't actually all sound the same but close enough, y'know. The last I got was the Tzadik release. But descriptions I've read about others over the past few years sound like they might be worth checking out. Esp Amlux, Ikebukuro Dada, Live at Radio 100, Door Open at 8am. Opinions? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Leo Ornstein? Date: 15 May 2002 08:44:53 -0700 Does anybody has opinions on composer Leo Ornstein? Any recommenda- tions? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Remco Takken" Subject: German/ Berlin seventies jazz festival question Date: 15 May 2002 21:56:07 +0200 Hi, Does anyone of you older German music lovers remember this Berlin jazzfestival where Wayne Shorter and Joe Zawinul debuted together *just* before they established Weather Report? They shared the bill in Berlin with Association PC, the early Dutch jazzrock group of Pierre Courbois and Jasper van 't Hof. When was this exactly 1970, 1971? How was it? Is there any press, or photographic evidence? and, equally important: Where should I turn to next with this question? Regards, Remco Takken - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Merzbow Date: 15 May 2002 19:56:53 -0000 I'm not fanatical enough to keep up with Mr Akita, but I got "Amlux" recently & it's quite good, and very different from the RRR-era power electronics yowl. It's all Powerbook now & there's less harsh noise, though it's certainly still around from time to time. He did one of the Amlux pieces live @ All Tomorrow's Parties and it was quite flooring, centered around a huge, low-pitched rockish riff repeated ad infinitum w/ big blasts of noise interspersed throughout. "1930" is excellent as well, though it's a few years old at his point - anyway, it's quite fun when one is properly addled. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: waits: do you know alice? Date: 15 May 2002 13:30:09 -0700 does anyone know the, er, plotline of wilson/waits "alice" the theatre piece? the demo tape included lewis carroll's jabberwocky (crazy, man), so it would seem this is indeed alice in wonderland. in one print interview, waits said it was an imaginary romance between alice and l. carroll -- i couldn't tell if he was kidding or not. i haven't listened closely to every song on the CD, but the ones i have seem to be one offs, rather than being connnected by characters or storylines. anyone? martin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: waits - alice Date: 15 May 2002 16:49:08 EDT yes tom waits "alice" is based on Alice Liddel. Lewis Carrol's writings "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through The Looking Glass" The Anti.com website has all kinds of background information on this album and it's evil twin "Blood Money" also check the OfficialTomWaits.com Site and The Tom Waits Supplement at go.to/tomwaits.com take care, -mt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Rizzi Subject: READ ME NOW: new zorn-list email software coming soon Date: 15 May 2002 16:05:16 -0700 (PDT) As we discussed this winter, I've been investigating better mailing list software to run the zorn-list. After much delay, we've got Mailman hooked up and just about ready to go. When the time comes I will subscribe everyone to the new zorn-list mail list server and shut down the old majordomo based list server. When you receive a Welcome to the Zorn-List message, then you will know that the switch over is happening. At that point make sure all of your replies to previous messages go to the new zorn-list email address (which will be specified in your Welcome email). DIGEST READERS NOTE I hope to be able to subscribe digest members for the new zorn-list digest. If I am not able to do that, you will have to change the list mode yourself (again, the Welcome message will tell you how to do it). ONE BENEFIT The new software has a web interface so you will be able to change your subscription options (including a new going on vacation, disable my email feature) easily yourself. During this process I do not have time to deal with other administrative issues for the majordomo list. I'm hoping to have this all done within the next 24 hours. thanks, mike rizzi zorn-list-fuckin-geek - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Albrecht Koschnik Subject: spy vs. spy Date: 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Zornsters, I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! thanks, albrecht - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hickey Subject: Re: spy vs. spy Date: 16 May 2002 07:10:03 +0100 I bought Spy vs Spy on CD a few years ago. The sound quality is excellent. I haven't heard anything about a rerelease . . . > From: Albrecht Koschnik > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: spy vs. spy > > Zornsters, > > I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and > the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there > another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware > of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! > > thanks, albrecht > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) Date: 16 May 2002 04:10:25 EDT I know its off subject but I just wanted to tell everyone that I thought Attack of the Clones was as good as any of the original Star Wars films if not the best. It will take more viewings to see how it compares. I hated Phantom Menace and I think this film made up for it. If anyone has seen ATOC, please share your thoughts. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clint Enns Subject: Re: spy vs. spy Date: 16 May 2002 01:18:06 -0700 Mine sucked too...there is no bass in the mix.......however it is outstanding otherwise. Brian Hickey wrote: > > I bought Spy vs Spy on CD a few years ago. The sound quality is excellent. I > haven't heard anything about a rerelease . . . > > > From: Albrecht Koschnik > > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) > > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: spy vs. spy > > > > Zornsters, > > > > I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and > > the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there > > another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware > > of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! > > > > thanks, albrecht > > > > - > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Hickey Subject: Re: spy vs. spy Date: 16 May 2002 09:23:14 +0100 The base is low in the mix alright but on my copy it does have a presence. Of course, the main emphasis is on the two saxophones . . . > From: Clint Enns > Organization: @Home Network > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:18:06 -0700 > To: Brian Hickey > Cc: Albrecht Koschnik , zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: spy vs. spy > > Mine sucked too...there is no bass in the mix.......however it is > outstanding otherwise. > > > Brian Hickey wrote: >> >> I bought Spy vs Spy on CD a few years ago. The sound quality is excellent. I >> haven't heard anything about a rerelease . . . >> >>> From: Albrecht Koschnik >>> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) >>> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >>> Subject: spy vs. spy >>> >>> Zornsters, >>> >>> I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and >>> the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there >>> another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware >>> of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! >>> >>> thanks, albrecht >>> >>> - >>> >> >> - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) Date: 16 May 2002 14:20:01 +0200 (CEST) Hi! I'll go tomorrow. Glad to read that it's worth the excitement. The Phantom Menace was an enormous piece of shit, IMHO. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Tortoise "TNT" > > I know its off subject but I just wanted to tell > everyone that I thought > Attack of the Clones was as good as any of the > original Star Wars films if > not the best. It will take more viewings to see how > it compares. I hated > Phantom Menace and I think this film made up for it. > If anyone has seen > ATOC, please share your thoughts. > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: spy vs. spy Date: 16 May 2002 07:37:51 -0500 I always thought that the sound quality was intentional, for some reason. They were going for an effect with the album. It does not sound as good as his other Elektra albums from the period. Was this intentional? What was the effect? Zach -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Albrecht Koschnik Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:01 AM Zornsters, I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! thanks, albrecht - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: RE: spy vs. spy Date: 16 May 2002 06:18:44 -0700 If I remember correctly we had this rather long session on the merits of Coleman (who I like), but there was also discussion on the 'sound' of 'Spy vs. Spy.' It seems like Zorn wanted to make it very rough sounding or ...I can't think of the termology but it seems like the recording was/is tended to sound raw. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Leo Ornstein? (and Reich, too) Date: 16 May 2002 09:42:09 -0400 Turn of the 20th century American modernist. Start with the piano music, which was considered very radical at the time (though it hardly sounds that way now). And, by the way, in answer to an older question of yours, Cantaloupe is recording Bradley Lubman and the excellent Eastman School-based ensemble Alarm Will Sound in Reich's 'Tehellim' and 'The Desert Music.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra, "No Dark," 'Bids' (Incus) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: waits - alice Date: 16 May 2002 09:45:07 -0400 Is the "evil twin" 'Blood Money' the one that's based on Buechner's 'Woyceck'? If so, it's coming to the Brooklyn Academy of Music this fall as part of the Next Wave Festival. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra, "No Dark," 'Bids' (Incus) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of RainDog138@aol.com yes tom waits "alice" is based on Alice Liddel. Lewis Carrol's writings "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through The Looking Glass" The Anti.com website has all kinds of background information on this album and it's evil twin "Blood Money" also check the OfficialTomWaits.com Site and The Tom Waits Supplement at go.to/tomwaits.com take care, -mt - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) Date: 16 May 2002 09:51:54 -0400 I don't know if I liked it more than the middle trilogy... I'd like to see it again to be sure... but story-wise it blows 'Phantom Menace' out of the galaxy, and visially most of it completely overwhelms what was available to Lucas in the '70s and '80s. The spoken dialogue is still more wooden than George Washington's teeth and some of the CGI looks artificial (I'd say the same of the much-ballyhooed 'Spider-Man'), but there was only one thing in 'Clones' that just made me slap my head and groan (I won't say what until more people get a chance to see it), there's some fine character motivation (Boba Fett starts here) and some of the foreshadowing of future events is extremely skillfully done. Plus, Yoda finally kicks some major assteroid. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra, "No Dark," 'Bids' (Incus) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of SonataPathetique@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:10 AM I know its off subject but I just wanted to tell everyone that I thought Attack of the Clones was as good as any of the original Star Wars films if not the best. It will take more viewings to see how it compares. I hated Phantom Menace and I think this film made up for it. If anyone has seen ATOC, please share your thoughts. - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tosh Subject: RE: waits - alice Date: 16 May 2002 06:55:15 -0700 >And speaking of Alice, I strongly recommend readers to go out and >buy, borrow the Annotated Alice. I just recently read the annotated >version and it was a great joy to dip into that world. Carroll( I >think) was a genius! > > >- -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: waits - alice (now blood money) Date: 16 May 2002 12:03:54 EDT yes "blood money" is based on Woyceck. It is probably the more experimental of the two albums - a bit more like "black rider/bone machine" type material. unfortunately not any real new ground for mr. waits, but hey if your great why not keep doing great things? i love both albums - to be honest i love everything i've ever heard waits do and i have almost everything. including the alice demos which are a bit more raw and have an appeal all thier own (check audio galaxy for mp3's - most are up on there). these songs were written years ago and rumor has it the demo versions were stolen from his car. only to later be circulated as a bootleg and earning the reputation as "wait's lost masterpiece" In fact- I heard that a fan just recently gave him a copy of the demos and that is what prompted the re-recording of these songs and the release of the album. -mt -