From: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com (ztt-digest) To: ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ztt-digest V2 #162 Reply-To: ztt-digest Sender: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes ztt-digest Sunday, March 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 162 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:15:27 -0500 From: "Mike George" Subject: Re: (ztt) IMHO...... From: "Mr Koh" > i have just literally stepped in the door from the London AON concert. I > really enjoyed it. Yep know what you mean, I was lucky enough to go see them play at the end of last year at the paradise club in Boston US, top show. I hope they plan on coming back this year. Mick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:46:48 est From: "Charles Daraghy" Subject: (ztt) dream reduction by any chance has anyone spotted a tracklist for the reduction (bonus cd?) with the (repackaging?) of seduction? i thought i read it was released in the UK on march 20 but havent seen it pop up via import here in the US yet. i burned my own dreaming cd - - way out west extended (from cdr acetate) - - pre-release album mix - - colour red (from promo vinyl, came out GREAT) - - way out west clubbable club (from cdr acetate) - - colour silver - - way out west radio edit (from a Universal comp/also on cdr acetate but the uni comp is mastered better) - - colour green (from japanese cd) - - colour silver (at 33rpm - seems it can be played at either) fyi: the original december 1998 12" with the red cover, times are the same as the acetate. the sleeve for the red promo lists the extended at 8:00 but this is false, its 6:4x # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:07:32 +0000 From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (ztt) dream reduction Charles Daraghy wrote: > > by any chance has anyone spotted a tracklist for the reduction (bonus cd?) with > the (repackaging?) of seduction? No, but I have the CD here, so I'll type you one > i thought i read it was released in the UK on march 20 but havent seen it pop > up via import here in the US yet It's not been that widely advertised over here either, perhaps with good reason - It was released on the 20th, and I picked up a copy yesterday, on my way to the show. It's shrinkwrapped with the (supposedly limited edition) digipack UK version of TSOCD (thanks ZTT, I'll put that next to the other ones shall I?), and seems to come in 2 different sleeves - one predominently brown on blue, the other blue on brown. Although the tracklistings are not visible from the outside because of the way they have shrinkwrapped the discs back to back, I assume the contents are the same. Here's the info for all the discographers out there... "Reduction" UK CD5, cat no. ZTT147 1. identity crisis (5:50) 2. motive (5:09) 3. (new york london paris) spleen (4:57) 4. saluting the point of no return (0:43) 5. man and boy (5:17) 6. information (5.53) 7. and i placed my fingers on her eyes as though i were touching the silent controls of a tv set (3:05) Total time 30:40 My verdict? Disappointing. Initial impressions are that it's not really a remix of TSOCD, it just steals a riff or vocal here & there on tracks 1,2,3 and 5. The first 3 tracks are slow, low production value garagey-dance workouts. Tracks 5 & 6 by contrast are good fast techno-dance, well produced - a full length album in this style would have made a good companion to TSOCD - 6 got a live airing at the gig BTW. 4 &7 are underdeveloped fillers. The credits seem to suggest this CD is the work of Paul Morley and James Bradbury, not AoN as a whole, and the 'magic touch' of Anne Dudley or Trevor Horn certainly seems absent. At barely half an hour, this material should have been a single or low priced EP (or perhaps used as b-sides), not an excuse to shift surplus digipacks at full double CD price. ZTT are sitting on a mountain of better unreleased AoN product than this! - - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:07:17 GMT From: "Robert Marston" Subject: Re: (ztt) dream reduction As well as including 'The Seduction...', the 'Reduction' package includes the following tracks: 1. Identity crisis 2. Motive 3. (New York, London, Paris) Spleen 4. Saluting the point of no return 5. Man & boy 6. Information 7. And I place my fingers on her eyes as though I were touching the silent controls of a TV set Reductions isn't a 'dance mix' compilation but a 'proper' remix album. I haven't heard it enough yet to judge if I like it yet. It's not as immediate as 'Seduction'. The 'Beatbox' sample is quite good though. Amazon.co.uk have it at: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004RJL1/o/qid=953820145/sr=8-1/026-1984910-6509409 I got mine from my local HMV. It wasn't in stock until yesterday though. P.S. I'd love a copy of the CDR compilation! - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Charles Daraghy" Reply-To: cdaraghy@bestweb.net To: ztt@lists.xmission.com Subject: (ztt) dream reduction Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:46:48 est by any chance has anyone spotted a tracklist for the reduction (bonus cd?) with the (repackaging?) of seduction? i thought i read it was released in the UK on march 20 but havent seen it pop up via import here in the US yet. i burned my own dreaming cd - - way out west extended (from cdr acetate) - - pre-release album mix - - colour red (from promo vinyl, came out GREAT) - - way out west clubbable club (from cdr acetate) - - colour silver - - way out west radio edit (from a Universal comp/also on cdr acetate but the uni comp is mastered better) - - colour green (from japanese cd) - - colour silver (at 33rpm - seems it can be played at either) fyi: the original december 1998 12" with the red cover, times are the same as the acetate. the sleeve for the red promo lists the extended at 8:00 but this is false, its 6:4x ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:04:28 +0000 From: Pedro Lucas Subject: Re: (ztt) dream reduction > My verdict? Disappointing. > ... Couldn't agree more with Andrew. Just got mine, and my conclusion is: It should not be called The Reduction of C.D., since everyone will try to match it to Seduction. It is by no means comparable, it is merely a bunch of samples put together, and I see no Anne Dudley fingertips there... About the price, we guys buying this mixing's already have Seduction (mine is the 3rd CD I get!!!, the first came standalone, so I ordered again the one with the bonus CD, and now this!) so why not bundle it as a single ? Arrgh! Pedro Lucas plucas@netc.pt > > At barely half an hour, this material should have been a single or low > priced EP (or perhaps used as b-sides), not an excuse to shift surplus > digipacks at full double CD price. ZTT are sitting on a mountain of > better unreleased AoN product than this! > > - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:34:13 +0100 From: Propaganda.de@t-online.de (propaganda.de) Subject: (ztt) ZTT: Betsi Miller Hi all, i`ve done an interview with Betsi Miller, vocalist of the second propaganda album "1234", you could read it at: http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ bye Karl - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Days Become Years, Years Become Tears - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: Propaganda.de@t-online.de Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:29:53 GMT From: "Mr. Telex" Subject: (ztt) The AON Webcast Just saw the AON webcast of Shepard's Bush at thepopcam.com; I was wondering if anyone knew a way to save the video as a separate Quick Time file. I tried right clicking on the link and doing "save as", but it won't work. I REALLY want to have a copy of this so I can dump it onto VHS and make an MP3 out of it. It'll be gone in April. My Personal Commentary : "Something Is Missing (perhaps J.J. ? :-) " reminded me a bit of Kraftwerk's "Computer World" when Paul and Anne were singing the whole "Cell Phones/Faxes/E-Mail/Pagers" line. I had mixed feelings on the whole performance; AON's spontaneity is something that they're obviously famous for, and that's why were all fans of course. But at times, the performance seemed a bit too rushed(IMHO). Especially when they did Moments In Love. The up-tempo groove towards the end was cool; it made me laugh, but it didn't have the intensity and emotion that the 1986 Hammersmith performance exemplified. I also didn't like how they skimped on the classics medley; just having Tim and the other sound guy mix together Beat Box and Close To The Edit together while Anne And Trevor played on top just didn't work for me. I thought that they really would've revamped those songs live just for the sake of being gone for so long. It also seemed as if Paul was really trying to act as frontman (at least this was how he was portryed on camera). Of course, he can't do much else since he doesn't play anything, but did you ever see Gary take up that much attention just mixing the board in the old days ? A bit ironic for a group that never tried to have any lead singer and is so against traditional convention. And what was that phrase that he kept saying aftr each song ? Now don't get the wrong idea; I enjoy Paul a lot. He's very charasmatic. But I think someone who would be wacthing them for the first time would get the wrong impression of just exactly what genre they fit into. Art Of Noise is by no means a spoken-word group. And what was the whole story about the Moments In Love remix that took 12 years to remix according to Paul ? This wasn't one of the reasons that I know of that AON fizzled in the 90's. Was he referring to the Ben Liebrand remix or the Bearting Hart's mix ? - - Josh ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:02:10 +0100 (BST) From: Martin L Poulter Subject: Re: (ztt) The AON Webcast On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Mr. Telex wrote: > Just saw the AON webcast of Shepard's Bush at thepopcam.com; I was wondering > if anyone knew a way to save the video as a separate Quick Time file. I > tried right clicking on the link and doing "save as", but it won't work. It looks like it's impossible to copy without setting up some kind of very clever dedicated proxy server. Maybe if we all begged pathetically? I know I will be! > against traditional convention. And what was that phrase that he kept saying > aftr each song ? I just heard him say "Ta" (i.e. Thanks) after each song. > Now don't get the wrong idea; I enjoy Paul a lot. He's very charasmatic. But > I think someone who would be wacthing them for the first time would get the > wrong impression of just exactly what genre they fit into. Art Of Noise is > by no means a spoken-word group. But TCH seems to love spoken-word stuff in general. Think of the Pleasuredome remixes, Slave to the Rhythm, Rage Hard + ... > And what was the whole story about the Moments In Love remix that took 12 > years to remix according to Paul ? I reckon this was just another surreal joke. - -- MARTIN L: Postgrad. researching philosophy of belief and Bayesian inductive M POULTER : logic at Bristol Uni., UK. * $665.95 = Retail price of the Beast c Cult Concern FAQ + Automated Love + Celibate FAQ + WEIRD + Gifts from "Bob" Q Helena Kobrin Page + Scientology Criticism: http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~plmlp/ ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ End of ztt-digest V2 #162 *************************