From: yp2t-kmr@asahi-net.or.jp (kimura,takashi) Subject: (ztt) My first mail at this list. Date: 02 Jan 1997 20:19:47 +0900 　　How do you do? I'm KIMURA,TAKAHI,24 years old man,living in tokyo. I've just be added to this mailing list. I've been a fan of ZTT(especilly of ART OF NOISE) since 11 years old. Maybe like other ZTT-fans(you,too?), I love other techno musicians,such as KRAFTWERK,YMO,and offcourse,latest techno and DRUM'N'BASS artists. And also I listen HIP-HOP (as HIP-HOP atrtist, I liste ned AFRIKA BAMBAATAA,first.) ,my latest favorit is NINJA TUNE. 　　Now I play as a DJ at a club,(but at just one night a month. Cos I work for a publishing company.),I spin from such old skool HIP-HOP to the latest DRUM'N'BASS beats. 　　....Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting some exciting e-mails... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Bortz Subject: (ztt) Dr Mabuse... Date: 02 Jan 1997 20:56:24 -0700 (MST) Howdy all, Happy New Year! I thought I should share this with everyone. I received a true rare record from a great friend of mine today named Lionel who lives in South Africa. He sent me the 1984 South African 12" release of Dr. Mabuse. It is the same as the UK 12" because it has the black "zeppelin" picture sleeve with the band members on it, but this 12" playes at 45 rpm's not 33 like all the others. It is licensed under "Priority Records", ZTT and Island. You don't hear much about South African releases so I know this one is a real treasure! Thanks Lionel! Cheers, Josh Keep relatin' to the State of 808 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark wasiel Subject: (ztt) 808 state Don Solaris Japanese Date: 03 Jan 1997 09:56:27 -0800 Has anyone mentioned what the two bonus tracks on the Don Soalris Japanese pressing are? They aren't album tracks but my Japanese isn't up to snuff yet. mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kahlil Subject: Re: (ztt) 808 state Don Solaris Japanese Date: 04 Jan 1997 08:49:49 -0800 Mark Wasiel wrote: > Has anyone mentioned what the two bonus tracks on the Don Soalris > Japanese pressing are? They aren't album tracks but my Japanese isn't > up to snuff yet. I can't confirm this, but I think they were "Bonded" and "Chisler" from the Bond cd single. I swear I read it somewhere, but can't recall where. KGB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Bortz Subject: (ztt) 808 bonus tracks... Date: 04 Jan 1997 10:37:55 -0700 (MST) So everyone knows, there are two bonus tracks of Bonded and Chisler on the 808 State JP cd album "Don Solaris". Everything about this JP cd is the same, accept the JP has a lyric booklet, and the cd has a gold tint to it not like the UK cd which is silver. If your a true hardcore 808 collector like myself, pick it up for your collection, but its not really worth paying all the money for it since the UK edition is so similar. Cheers, Josh Keep relatin' to the State of 808 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Geoff Davies" Subject: (ztt) ZTT news Date: 05 Jan 1997 00:56:18 -0800 From dotmusic... PRE-RELEASE VIDEO EXPOSURE FOR DEBUT SINGLE 'INVISIBLE' TRAILS PUBLIC DEMAND LAUNCH ZTT's new south London R&B five-piece Public Demand will be launched in February on the back of substantial airplay on TV channel The Box. Their debut single Invisible, which is due for release on February 3, is among the channel's most played new tracks. The band have been supporting East 17 on their December tour and are currently in the studio with producer Trevor Horn working on new material. Horn says Invisible instantly made him want to work with Public Demand. "I just really liked that song and they've been coming on in leaps and bounds," he says. "I think their songs have more depth than a lot of the R&B that's around at the moment." Their debut album will be released in the second half of 1997. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Bortz Subject: (ztt) 808 State... Date: 05 Jan 1997 22:44:04 -0700 (MST) Hello all, I just wanted to know if anyone would be interested in selling or trading the 808 State: Cubik / Olympic UK 12" promo SAM 702. I have been looking for it for a super long time now! If anyone has this, I will buy it for a great price, or I could trade other RARE ZTT items that I have in my collection. Please let me know! Thank you. Cheers, Josh Keep relatin' to the State of 808 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yp2t-kmr@asahi-net.or.jp (Takashi Kimura) Subject: (ztt) Have you ever seen? Date: 07 Jan 1997 23:44:59 +0900 Dear Subscribers, Does anybody know where or how to get a videoclip of KRAFTWERK'S "MUSIQUE NON STOP" ? I`ve seen it in a local shop 7 or 8 years before, now I wanna get and watch it again. _______/______/_____/_____/____/____/___/___/__/__/_/_/_/ 　　　　　　　　　　　木村隆志/Takashi Kimura 　　　　　　　　　　　 　　　　　　　　　　　　COOL "CUT'N'PASTED"TRAX 　　　　　　　　　　"YOUR VIEW?"@ CLUB FLAVA,TOKYO. _/_/_/__/__/___/___/___/____/____/____/_____/______/_______/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark wasiel Subject: (ztt) upcoming ztt releases... Date: 07 Jan 1997 20:33:24 -0800 New stuff: 808 State - Lopez ZANG 87 CD ZANG 87 T rel: Jan. 24 Rehab - Superfriendly ZANG 89 CD ZANG 89 T rel: Jan. 24 Seal - Fly Like An Eagle ZEAL 1 CD ZEAL 1 T rel: Feb. 7 Public Demand - Invisible ZANG 85 CD ZANG 85 T rel: Jan. 31 ****** Anyone have any info on the Rehab single? I've got one on order at work. Sounds like a british pop group to me. mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KGB Subject: Re: (ztt) upcoming ztt releases... Date: 08 Jan 1997 08:05:06 -0800 > Seal - Fly Like An Eagle > ZEAL 1 CD > ZEAL 1 T > rel: Feb. 7 Does anyone know if this will have any remixes? The U.S. promo had and album and radio edit, and the U.S. commercial release had an instrumental and one of the versions from the promo (probably the edit). The best reason to have one of these is to avoid the rest of the soundtrack, but some mixes would be nice... KGB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karl Hirschberger Date: 08 Jan 1997 08:57:28 +0000 Hello ZTT-Fans ! I`m looking for Videos, Photos, Live-Tracks, Interviews, DJ-Mixes, and clippings from Propaganda, Act and Claudia Bruecken. If anybody wants to barter or sell something of this, please contact me! My E-Mail: Karl.Hirschberger@mchp.siemens.de or Hirschbk@pop.mchp.siemens.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: (ztt) Dr Mabuse... Date: 08 Jan 1997 14:13:54 +0000 On Jan 2, 8:56pm, J Bortz wrote: > Subject: (ztt) Dr Mabuse... > Howdy all, Happy New Year! I thought I should share this with everyone. I > received a true rare record from a great friend of mine today named Lionel > who lives in South Africa. He sent me the 1984 South African 12" release of > Dr. Mabuse. It is the same as the UK 12" because it has the black > "zeppelin" picture sleeve with the band members on it, but this 12" playes > at 45 rpm's not 33 like all the others. It is licensed under "Priority > Records", ZTT and Island. > > You don't hear much about South African releases so I know this one is a > real treasure! Thanks Lionel! Hey, that's cool! If even Dr. Mabuse came out in South Africa, I don't dare to think about Frankie and all the others! There's probably lots of snippets for the ZTT discography buried. Perhaps Lionel can help out? BTW, the common european Island 12"es all played on 45rpm. (The very first Relax pressing was one of the few exceptions.) Happy new year to all - and also to ZTT! Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: (ztt) Re: upcoming ztt releases... / MacGowan / Sexus Date: 08 Jan 1997 14:54:27 +0000 On Jan 7, 8:33pm, mark wasiel wrote: > Subject: (ztt) upcoming ztt releases... > [...] > 808 State - Lopez / ZANG 87 > Rehab - Superfriendly / ZANG 89 > Seal - Fly Like An Eagle / ZEAL 1 > Public Demand - Invisible / ZANG 85 Great job Mark! So it seems now ZTT want's to know it?! This reminds me of an e-mail I sent to the list on 18th December. But now I realize it never got through... So here it is again: : Subject: New Shane MacGowan Single : [...] : On Monday "The Cristmas E.P." from Shane MacGowan and The Popes has come out : in Europe. Haven't bought it yet. : : It's ZANG 88CD, earning three question marks ??? for ZANG 85, 86 and 87... : Does anyone have an idea? So, thanks to Mark there's only 86 left open now. But I already have an idea. I've heard there're two promo 12"es for a new Sexus song out there in UK. Perhaps this could be thought as ZANG 86. But who knows? > Anyone have any info on the Rehab single? > I've got one on order at work. Sounds like a british pop group to me. I have another single from them called "Don't Believe The Hype", from last autumn. It was on a label called Slackerbitch Partnership; having cat.no. THROW 1CD coming in a double sleeve like the last 808 ones. The music goes in the direction of alternative/indie-rock, although it's got a pretty clean, yet hard, sound. I bought this, because a friend told me about a note in NME around that time announcing this single to come out on ZTT. When I got it, I tought that it might a) have nothing to do with ZTT b) be on a new (sub-)label of Paul Morley c) get a hit, if it were 3 years earlier Now I'm none the wiser. Oh yes - there are two more hints: I think it was _not_ distributed by Warner, and the sleeve was very mysterious having a "Note 1: ..." on it, which I can't remember right now - or are you learning all the thoughts of Don Solaris by heart? ;-) Many Greetings Joerg P.S.: Noticed the ZTT mailinglist archives are completely empty. Is that by design? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (ztt) Re: upcoming ztt releases... / MacGowan / Sexus Date: 10 Jan 1997 10:56:29 -0700 (MST) > P.S.: Noticed the ZTT mailinglist archives are completely empty. Is that by > design? They're not empty. Where were you looking? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soeren Larsen Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: upcoming ztt releases... / MacGowan / Sexus Date: 11 Jan 1997 13:26:48 +0100 (MET) Hi Z-Zouls > > 808 State - Lopez / ZANG 87 > > Rehab - Superfriendly / ZANG 89 > > Seal - Fly Like An Eagle / ZEAL 1 > > Public Demand - Invisible / ZANG 85 I wonder what/who will have the honor of being the no. ZANG100 and if ZTT will do anything special about it. The British dance/jazz label Talking Loud made the no. 100 on gold-colour vinyl. FAB. And why start a ZEAL thing?????? Yours curious`n`confused .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. .Elevative Music Appetence Is Lovely.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. .____ ____ _ __ ____ _ ___ __ ___ _ __ ____ ____ _ ___ . .(___ | / | |/ |___| |/ | | ____) |/ (___ |___| |/ |. .____/ |_/_| | |___ | | _|_ |___| | ____/ |___ | |. .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-sorenl - Denmark - sorenl@kom.auc.dk. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdaraghy@exit109.com (charlie daraghy) Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise 'Close' extended cd single Date: 11 Jan 1997 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) I have been on a wild goose chase for years I fear. Someone in CA told me that a cd single exists for "Close (to the edit)" but I fear not. Well, as technology progresses, and new formats come and go, I decided to get a DAT and CDR and made my own disc. Unfortunately, learning a piece of new computer hardware and dealing with something that's nowhere near as easy as recording to audio cassette or DAT, I've managed to press 4 copies of my "Art of noise stuff not on cd". I have 2 of v1.0 and 1 v2.0 Why these others and why am I looking to sell to recoup my losses on media cost? There's a process called "normalizing" which is supposed to ideally boost VU level without distorting, but it also boosts crackle noise. I had to resample the whole dat, and did not normalize for v2.0 It's better than v1.0 and better than any cassette copy you could ever make, or bootleg, but note all tracks are from VINYL so there is that crackling. When possibly I enlarged the waveform and manually removed the most annoying 'pops'. The original process: recorded my vinyl onto a portable DAT at 48khz, ran through professional audiocraft mixing board and added a 1k tone at the top, so I could re-dub the DAT and get all the levels for every track to agree, equalized sound when possible. End result: a nice DAT copy Next: sampling down to 44.1khz and editing beginning and ends of tracks for fade ins and outs to sound more natural. Here's the tracklisting (18 tracks/over 72 mins): 1. a time to hear :51 (from the ZTT sampled lp, basically JJ talking/intro) 2. Close (uk 7" mix) 3:50 3. Closely Closely (enough's enough) 7:13 (extended version of 'close') very crackly 4. Beat Box (original) 4:46 from 'into battle' 5. (do) donna (do) 3:10 (longer version from LP, from US 7" for "close") 6. Movements in Love (uk 7" mix) 4:40 7. Close (edited) 5:32 (remix of "close" from a 12" picture disk) 8. A Time to Hear (Who's listening?) 3:26 (b side of close which is basically a little sampler of album tracks and some weird lady and parakeet noises) 9. egypt :49 (from ZTT sampled lp, jj talks about 'spanners') 10. Close Up (hop) 5:10 (radical remix which sounds more like beatbox, complete with screaming, pitch bends, and tempo changes) 11. Legs (7" mix/video version) 3:28 12. Legs (inside leg mix) 6:00 13. Hoops and Mallets 3:42 (b side of 'legs') 14. Legacy (edit) 2:53 15. Why Me? 2:56 (from 'paranoimia' single) 16. A Nation Rejects 2:56 (from 'paranoimia' single) 17. ART OF SILENCE - West 4 (Crowd Control Dub) 8:30 probably my favorite mix, from grey vinyl 12" very ambient and gets a jungle beat near end 18. Moment in Love 1:26 (from the VINYL version of "into battle") Very listenable, but coming from a recording engineer, of course I want(ed) perfection for myself! write if you're interested. I'm also looking for trades/acquire more. Especially looking for "Legs" (last legs mix). Only interested in official studio done mixes, not remix services. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dennis@thoughtport.com" Subject: (ztt) hello Date: 11 Jan 1997 15:54:46 -0600 Hi everybody, I recently joined the ZTT List. I'm 16 years old and live in Misourri. While watching snowskiing videos by Greg Stump I got hooked on the music, most of which was ZTT. Since then I've bought FGTH, Seal, 808 State, have ordered a Propaganda CD, and am on a quest to find Nasty Rox, Inc.album, Cash. Any help would be great in locating that album. I'll wrtie ya later. Brenon Abernathie dennis@thoughtport.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise 'Close' extended cd single Date: 11 Jan 1997 15:17:43 -0700 (MST) > I've managed to press 4 copies of my "Art of noise stuff not on cd". I think you need to retitle it. :-) All of these are available on CD: Closely Closely (enough's enough) [on Japanese "Who's Afraid...?" CD] Moments In Love (single) [on the "Moments In Love" CD-singles, German "Best Of..." mk1] Close Up (hop) [on Japanese "Daft" CD] A Nation Rejects [on Japanese "FON Mixes" CD] -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "guy b phipps" Subject: (ztt) Sexus Date: 11 Jan 1997 00:04:57 UT Does anyone know the title, release date, or any info on this new Sexus single that's been hinted at ? The last two singles were brilliant (as close to the PSBs as you can get) Guy df118@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DELILLIE@nacdh4.nac.ac.za Subject: (ztt) FGTH South African Releases Date: 13 Jan 1997 13:46:48 +0200 Hi all Zangers With regards to ZTT releases in South Africa, initiated by my friend Josh '808 Guru' Bortz : The initial burst of FGTH singles, as well as the sole Propaganda ZTT single release ('Das Testament Des Mabuse'), were issued on 7'' and 12''. 'Rage Hard', 'Wecome to the Pleasuredome' and 'Warriors of the Wasteland' were each issued as two different 12'' releases apiece, while 'Relax' and 'Two Tribes', as well as '... Mabuse' were only issued once. The 7'' editions came on plain white sleeves, while the 12'' editions sported thick album-type sleeves (complete with Morley sleeve notes) and with white 'Home taping is killing music' paper inners. The norm for SA MAXIs (as we call them is 33 rpm, but surprisingly '... Mabuse' spun around at 45 rpm. Both FGTH albums were released here, as was the Propaganda one. These singles are collectible for a number of reasons : These were never re-issued, the distributor (Priority) went bang in the late 80s, and very few copies were ever sold. Since the late 80s distribution has been taken over by Tusk Music and i have actually seen 'Welcome ...' (the album) issued on Tusk/WEA/ZTT. The ZTT label was never present on the original disc labels (whichsported day/night 'Island' designs), but were printed on the front sleeve. I have seen a couple of FGTH singles around recently, but they are quite rarely seen. As with releases in other territories, much confusion abounds about the mix/song titles. '... Mabuse', for instance, lists different titles on the sleeve front, label and spine. Incidentally, the rarest releases would be copies of the 'Welcome ...' album by FGTH which were printed in SA and shipped to South West Africa. The sleeves were apparently restamped with the legend 'Product of South West Africa'. The country is of course now known as Namibia'. Sjoe ! I hope that wasn't too boring. BTW i also have a UK 12'' by Visage called 'Beat Boy'. The rear sleeve says 'Fairlight programming by JJ, courteousy of ZTT' I've never seen this item discussed at ZTT yet. Cheers Lionel D Lionel D de Lillie ¥/¥/¥/ tel : +27 (0)21 959 2324 Physics Department |||||| fax : +27 (0)21 959 3474 University of the ¥¥¥/// Western Cape <|-oo-|> e-mail : lionel@physics.uwc.ac.za Private Bag X17 0( () )0 e-mail : delillie@nacdh4.nac.ac.za Bellville ¥<>/ 7530 South Africa ¥/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DELILLIE@nacdh4.nac.ac.za Subject: (ztt) Lopez / JP CD singles Date: 13 Jan 1997 13:58:07 +0200 Hi all 808'ers Just a short note this time. The recent (or not so) JP releases 'Bombadin', 'Forecast', 'Don Solaris' and 'Thermo Kings' all contain bonus tracks/mixes pulled from UK singles. Has WEA Japan (formerly WEA Music) stopped the issueing of CD singles ? Essentially you do not have to buy the single CDs if you have the JP issues, but you'd actually like to have the choice ! I'd find it very surprising of 'Lopez' was indeed released as a JP single CD as the appearance on TWO albums would already have diluted possible sales ! Cheers Lionel D Lionel D de Lillie ¥/¥/¥/ tel : +27 (0)21 959 2324 Physics Department |||||| fax : +27 (0)21 959 3474 University of the ¥¥¥/// Western Cape <|-oo-|> e-mail : lionel@physics.uwc.ac.za Private Bag X17 0( () )0 e-mail : delillie@nacdh4.nac.ac.za Bellville ¥<>/ 7530 South Africa ¥/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be (Emmanuel Goedseels) Subject: (ztt) ZTT records for sale Date: 13 Jan 1997 16:30:39 +0100 Hello, I realized I have too many records I never listen to because I have them in several editions. I would like to sale them to other collectors. Listed below are the records I have for sale. I am running this sale like an auction. The prices listed next to the record is the minimum bid I will accept. Prices and bids are in US $. Shipping is not included. If you are interested, please e-mail personnaly. Thanks Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be RECORDS FOR SALE : Late addition : CDS ACT I Can't Escape (UK) 30.00 CDS SHADES OF RHYTHM Sounds Of Eden (Germany) 10.00 CDS SHADES OF RHYTHM Getting Away (Germany) 10.00 CDS 808 STATE In Yer Face (Germany) 10.00 CDS 808 STATE Lift/Open (Germany) 10.00 CDS 808 STATE Ooops (Germany) 10.00 LP ART OF NOISE In No Sense Nonsense (Germany) 10.00 LP ART OF NOISE In Visible Silence (Germany) 10.00 LP ART OF NOISE Who's Afraid Of (Statue Sleeve - Germany) 8 00 CDS ART OF NOISE Shades Of Paranoimia (UK) 15.00 12" ART OF NOISE Into Battle - original (UK) 12.00 12" ART OF NOISE Legs (UK) 8.00 12" ART OF NOISE Moments In Love (Germany) 8.00 12" ART OF NOISE Paranomia (Germany) 8.00 12" ART OF NOISE Peter Gunn (Germany) 5.00 CD DUDLEY ANNE /COLEMAN JAZ (A.O.N.) Songs From The Victorious City (Germany) 15.00 CAS F.G.T.H. Welcome To The Pleasure Dome (13 trks - Island Pressing - Germany) 10.00 7" F.G.T.H. Rage Hard (Germany) 5.00 7" F.G.T.H. Relax (Germany) 5.00 7" F.G.T.H. The Power Of Love (Tour Dates - Germany) 5.00 7" F.G.T.H. Two Tribes (Germany) 5.00 7" F.G.T.H. Warriors (Germany) 5.00 7" F.G.T.H. Welcome To The Pleasure Dome (Germany) 5.00 12" F.G.T.H. Two Tribes (Carnage Mix - Germany) 8.00 12" F.G.T.H. Two Tribes (Hibakusha Mix - UK) 30.00 CDS JONES GRACE Slave To The Rhythm (D-Mob mix - UK) 10.00 CDS JONES GRACE Slave To The Rhythm (T-empo mix - UK) 10.00 CD MC TUNES The North At Its Heights (Germany) 20.00 LP NASTY ROX INCORPORATED Cash (Germany) 20.00 12" ORBISON ROY Wild Hearts (UK) 10.00 LP POPPY ANDREW The Beating Of Wings (Germany) 8.00 CDS RUTHERFORD PAUL (F.G.T.H.) Oh World (3 tracks - UK) 20.00 Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: upcoming ztt releases... / MacGowan / Sexus Date: 15 Jan 1997 13:06:53 +0000 On Jan 11, 1:26pm, Soeren Larsen wrote: > Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: upcoming ztt releases... / MacGowan / Sexus > Hi Z-Zouls > > > > [...] > > I wonder what/who will have the honor of being the no. ZANG100 and if ZTT > will do anything special about it. [...] Good question! I hope they're gonna survive until then. > And why start a ZEAL thing?????? I like that! Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: (ztt) archives - was 'Re: upcoming...' Date: 15 Jan 1997 13:01:47 +0000 On Jan 10, 10:56am, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > P.S.: Noticed the ZTT mailinglist archives are completely empty. > > Is that by design? > > They're not empty. Where were you looking? I was looking at and the directory was completely empty. (I also checked the archives of another of your mailing lists, but it was OK.) Anyway, I've checked the same right now and it works again. I guess it was nothing serious to worry about. Greetings Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RASBABA@aol.com Subject: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? Date: 16 Jan 1997 11:38:02 -0500 (EST) I was in a Coconuts last night in Connecticut and they had AON on thier new release list for 1/15/97. When I asked they said it was in Jazz and then could not find any. Is there a new release? Any info helpful. RAS BABA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? Date: 16 Jan 1997 09:51:22 -0700 (MST) > I was in a Coconuts last night in Connecticut and they had AON on thier new > release list for 1/15/97. When I asked they said it was in Jazz and then > could not find any. Is there a new release? Yes -- it's the US release of the horrid Drum & Bass Collection. I think it's on Discovery Records. Listen before buying! Fortunately I found a used copy of Anne Dudley's "Ancient And Modern" last night, so I can wash the bad taste out of my mouth that even mentioning the D&B disc leaves. :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik Lundstroem" <94K068@chestud.chalmers.se> Subject: Re: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? Date: 18 Jan 1997 19:25:39 GMT +0100 > Yes -- it's the US release of the horrid Drum & Bass Collection. I think it's > on Discovery Records. Listen before buying! I think it's great! Listen to yebo & Kiss! > Fortunately I found a used copy of Anne Dudley's "Ancient And Modern" last > night, so I can wash the bad taste out of my mouth that even mentioning the > D&B disc leaves. :-) I must also say that the Dudley album is fantastic! Buy it! H. Henrik Lundstroem (henrik.lundstrom@ylm.se) Philosophy student at University of Gothenburg, Sweden. Chemistry student at Chalmers University of Technology. Stalivari shout "HEUREKA!!" as the signal for invention par excellence Coming soon: http://www.chestud.chalmers.se/‾k94068/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: transmat@teleport.com Subject: Re: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? Date: 18 Jan 1997 12:38:33 -0800 (PST) >> Yes -- it's the US release of the horrid Drum & Bass Collection. I >>think it's >> on Discovery Records. Listen before buying! > >I think it's great! Listen to yebo & Kiss! > I second this... _____________________________ ‾bleep‾ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KGB Subject: Re: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? Date: 19 Jan 1997 08:23:14 -0800 >> Yes -- it's the US release of the horrid Drum & Bass Collection. >> I think it's on Discovery Records. Listen before buying! > > I think it's great! Listen to yebo & Kiss! I really don't like this collection either, but putting my boredom over Drum & Bass aside, I always have distaste for a project that obliterates the source material. I've read so many published reviews over the last week for this album, with quotes along the lines of "...a new generation of dj's paying respect to...". Respect to what? To be a fan of AoN and then go off in a totally different direction is not the issue. But to take the title and a stray sample, add a bone-crushing bass signal, and forget to turn off the drum machine hardly qualifies as a remix, much less respect for the original artist or material. This to me is what is "horrid" about this album. That and paying $25 for the import when I could have only wasted $13 had I known it would actually get released in the U.S.! Regardless of where the dj's are coming from on this album, I see CHINA as just taking economic advantage over a library they control, and have added absolutely nothing to the AoN mythology. This album in no way follows in the footsteps of the Youth or FON projects, which though flawed in places, never let the listener forget just who the original (and better) programmers were! I will admit that there are a couple of pretty good D&B tracks on this album, but never in a million years will I think of them as AoN songs. KGB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Heinzeroth Subject: (ztt) RE: AON Drum And Base Date: 19 Jan 1997 21:27:35 -0600 >I really don't like this collection either, but putting my boredom over >Drum & Bass aside, I always have distaste for a project that obliterates >the source material. I've read so many published reviews over the last >week for this album, with quotes along the lines of "...a new generation >of dj's paying respect to...". Respect to what? To be a fan of AoN and >then go off in a totally different direction is not the issue. But to >take the title and a stray sample, add a bone-crushing bass signal, and >forget to turn off the drum machine hardly qualifies as a remix, much >less respect for the original artist or material. This to me is what is >"horrid" about this album. That and paying $25 for the import when I >could have only wasted $13 had I known it would actually get released in >the U.S.! I agree 100%. "Remixes" (if you can call them that) these days have absolutely nothing to with the original songs. Sometimes they're not even in the same genre (some of the new Tori Amos remixes are pretty much hard-core techno, and are nothing like the originals). I used to look forward to buying the 12" or CD5 of a new song that I liked, and now I know that most of the time it will be a waste of my money. Remixes with names like "The Dope-Ass Techno Vertigo Slam Mix" don't particularly do anything for me. Basically they are 13 minute loops of the same 6 second drum pattern with the first four words of the chorus repeated over and over. And they call it a remix. Try calling it "My new song with a minor sample from a group everyone knows and loves, and because of that, I'll be able to make some cash off the the original band that actually had TALENT, even though I have none". I just bought the US "Drum And Bass" mixes, and I'll also have to agree, they are terrible. Just repetitive junk. What happened to remixes like "Warriors (Monopoly Re-Solution)" and Propaganda's "Jeweled". You got the feeling the songs were "re-crafted" not regurgitated. Oh well, I guess I'll have to face the fact that those days are over, but I don't have to like it. >Regardless of where the dj's are coming from on this album, I see CHINA >as just taking economic advantage over a library they control, and have >added absolutely nothing to the AoN mythology. This album in no way >follows in the footsteps of the Youth or FON projects, which though >flawed in places, never let the listener forget just who the original >(and better) programmers were! I will admit that there are a couple of >pretty good D&B tracks on this album, but never in a million years will >I think of them as AoN songs. Same here. Its one thing to have someone like Trevor remix a song for Frankie or Grace Jones, it's another to have a complete third party that is interested in neither the original sound of the work nor the feel of the work to record a new song without any semblance of the old one and tack the artist's name on it. And to top it all off, when the remixer is not nearly as talented as the original band, it really stinks. Oh well. Just my $.02 worth. Happy ZTTing. Blake blakeh@ix.netcom.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark wasiel Subject: (ztt) aon drum & bass cd Date: 19 Jan 1997 22:18:11 -0800 I think the Drum & Bass remix CD is the best "Art of" Series yet. The last remix album was much worse in comparison (sans that Prodigy remix). Of course, if you don't like Drum & Bass, then it doesn't matter how good the mixes are. I happen to like Drum & Bass and I think this CD is a little above average. The mixes are 3/4 good to OK with the last 1/4 (approx. naturally) being a bit weak (most of the last part of the album). I haven't bought it yet but I probably would pick up a used copy. It's not a must have that's for sure. As to people saying remixes are the same as they used to...well I don't things have changed that much. A good remix is hard to come buy just as it was in the old ZTT days. There were some great ideas for remixes on ZTT but they had there share of crappy ones too (anyone listen to the Watching the Wildlife mixes lately?). mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: (ztt) Still: upcoming releases... Date: 16 Jan 1997 18:31:10 +0000 Hi all! Check out Music Week's reviews of releases scheduled for Jan 20th: They list 808 State's "Lopez", and Sexus with "How Do You Kiss?" (it really is ZANG 86)! Also very interesting (a bit more actually) is their talent section, which praises Public Demand for 1997. If you wan to read Jill Sinclair's statements see: Regards Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? Date: 16 Jan 1997 18:23:02 +0000 On Jan 16, 9:51am, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > Subject: Re: (ztt) ART OF NOISE RELEASE? > > I was in a Coconuts last night in Connecticut and they had AON on thier new > > release list for 1/15/97. When I asked they said it was in Jazz and then > > could not find any. Is there a new release? > > Yes -- it's the US release of the horrid Drum & Bass Collection. I think it's > on Discovery Records. Listen before buying! > > Fortunately I found a used copy of Anne Dudley's "Ancient And Modern" last > night, so I can wash the bad taste out of my mouth that even mentioning the > D&B disc leaves. :-) I haven't heard the whole D&B album yet, but have a 12" promo of it containing the mixes of "Camilla" and "Something Always Happens". It's got nothing to do with Art Of Noise, yet it is quite good IMHO. Far from washing the sound out of my ears... Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: (ztt) Re-mixing/inventing/pulsive? - was: RE: AON Drum And Base Date: 20 Jan 1997 17:28:53 +0000 KGB (>>) / Blake Heinzeroth (>) wrote: >> Regardless of where the dj's are coming from on this album, I see CHINA >> as just taking economic advantage over a library they control, and have >> added absolutely nothing to the AoN mythology. [...] >> I will admit that there are a couple of >> pretty good D&B tracks on this album, but never in a million years will >> I think of them as AoN songs. I agree that China is abusing the name Art Of Noise. (In this respect ZTT earns a big compliment.) But judging from the music alone (forgetting about whom this is named after), I really wouldn't damn this album (like I already wrote earlier [but nobody knows...]). > [...] "Remixes" (if you can call them that) these days have > absolutely nothing to with the original songs. Sometimes they're not even > in the same genre (some of the new Tori Amos remixes are pretty much > hard-core techno, and are nothing like the originals). I used to look > forward to buying the 12" or CD5 of a new song that I liked, and now I know > that most of the time it will be a waste of my money. Remixes with names > like "The Dope-Ass Techno Vertigo Slam Mix" don't particularly do anything > for me. Basically they are 13 minute loops of the same 6 second drum > pattern with the first four words of the chorus repeated over and over. > And they call it a remix. [...] > What happened to remixes like > "Warriors (Monopoly Re-Solution)" and Propaganda's "Jeweled". You got the > feeling the songs were "re-crafted" not regurgitated. Oh well, I guess > I'll have to face the fact that those days are over, but I don't have to > like it. Truly, the days of those godlike extended mixes are over. But why's that? Wouldn't we all measure a 'new' (re)mix in that style with ZTT's action series 12"es? And what would the result be? It would be: huge disappointment! Because they already were perfect back then! OK, I'm a bit exaggerating. But seriously: Hasn't it all been there in the 80s? Wouldn't it be boring if they'd be going for the same scheme forever? Why not just be happy about the past greatness? You can still damn the contemporary remixing habits. Me personally, I think there's still good remixes as well as bad ones - but even the good ones may fall into the 'repetitive/sampled/obliterating' category. BTW, some of the arguments you wrote have similarly been used to criticise ZTT in that glorious past days! So it's just the walk of the times I guess. And we're probably getting of age ;-) There's still good stuff today. Only the charts have become more silly, so the good stuff is harder to learn to know of. You're still reading? Thanks Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Heinzeroth Subject: (ztt) RE: AON Drum & Bass Date: 20 Jan 1997 16:05:55 -0600 Mark Wasiel Said: >As to people saying remixes are the same as they used to...well I don't >things have changed that much. A good remix is hard to come buy just as >it was in the old ZTT days. There were some great ideas for remixes on >ZTT but they had there share of crappy ones too (anyone listen to the >Watching the Wildlife mixes lately?). You're right, there were bad mixes in back then. I just think there was a little more time and care put into the mixes in many cases (not all, obviously). I also think there has been a big change in the 12"/CD5 market in the last few years. Most major labels discouraged bands from releasing singles years ago (mainly because they did not have a good return-on-investment except with collectors). Now, every one in the world buys CD5s (I've seen one of our local stores grow from one bin of singles to three aisles). Everyone wants to but the new single. In response, there is more and more pressure on labels to pump out singles as quickly as possible, regardless of the quality. Slap a $4.99 price tag on it, and anyone will buy it. It hasn't always been like that. I am not one to rant on about "selling out" or "being too commercial" (mainly because ZTT was as guilty of it as anyone else), but I do think remixes have suffered because of the pressure to release them cheaply and quickly to the masses. Just my $.02 (I guess that makes $.04 in the last two days :) Blake blakeh@ix.netcom.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blake Heinzeroth Subject: (ztt) RE: AON Drum & Base Date: 20 Jan 1997 16:16:55 -0600 Joerg Said: >Truly, the days of those godlike extended mixes are over. But why's that? >Wouldn't we all measure a 'new' (re)mix in that style with ZTT's action series >12"es? And what would the result be? It would be: huge disappointment! >Because they already were perfect back then! >OK, I'm a bit exaggerating. But seriously: Hasn't it all been there in the >80s? Wouldn't it be boring if they'd be going for the same scheme forever? I think what made the mixes back then so interesting was there really was no "scheme". Each remix was unique (and as Mark pointed out in a previous post, there were exceptions). The mixes reflected the flavor and character of the original song, and some time and effort was taken to create an interesting rework that really enhanced the song. Now, the general feeling is "What? You've never heard the original song? That's OK, just put some beats together and we'll give you a 3 second sample of the song. That'll be fine, just get it done quickly so we can sell as many copies as possible." And again, ZTT was just as guilty of trying exploit the idea of remixes (remember the big fights over Relax and its 45 versions ) as the the big labels now. But, I still think some time and effort went into mixes back then, and that simply doesn't exist now (again, there are exceptions). >BTW, some of the arguments you wrote have similarly been used to criticise >ZTT in that glorious past days! That's true. >So it's just the walk of the times I guess. And we're probably getting of >age ;-) GRIN. Wow, now I'm up to giving my $.06 :) Blake # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DELILLIE@nacdh4.nac.ac.za Subject: (ztt) ZEAL 1 Date: 21 Jan 1997 10:51:03 +0200 Hi all Zangers ZEAL 1 is not really the start of a new series, but a custom catalogue number usually assigned when an artist reaches 'superstar' status. It is by no means a novel exercise, as ZTT have previously assigned FGTH1 thru FGTH4 catalogue numbers to their 1994 series of Frankie remixes. In the UK many artists have had records issued in custom catalogue numbers, notably Bruce Springsteen (CBS BOSS), NKOTB (CBS BLOCK) and Spandau Ballet (Chrysalis SPAN). It does however make the records very desirable. English goth-rockers New Model Army (who teemed up with ageing ZTT favourite Tom Jones on 'Gimme Shelter') have had a complete run of UK chart singles with catalogue numbers NMA1 through NMA12 Of course the coolest ZTT-related catalogue number has to be that assigned to the 808 State 'Ex:el' promo CD - ZTT SAM 808, though the 808 mixed 'King Of Comedy' comes a close Cheers 'n keep Pumpin' Lionel D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik Lundstroem" <94K068@chestud.chalmers.se> Subject: Re: (ztt) RE: AON Drum & Bass Date: 21 Jan 1997 16:22:47 GMT +0100 > Mark Wasiel Said: > >As to people saying remixes are the same as they used to...well I don't > >things have changed that much. A good remix is hard to come buy just as > >it was in the old ZTT days. There were some great ideas for remixes on > >ZTT but they had there share of crappy ones too (anyone listen to the > >Watching the Wildlife mixes lately?). > > You're right, there were bad mixes in back then. I just think there was a > little more time and care put into the mixes in many cases (not all, > obviously). > > I also think there has been a big change in the 12"/CD5 market in the last > few years. Most major labels discouraged bands from releasing singles > years ago (mainly because they did not have a good return-on-investment > except with collectors). Now, every one in the world buys CD5s (I've seen > one of our local stores grow from one bin of singles to three aisles). > Everyone wants to but the new single. In response, there is more and more > pressure on labels to pump out singles as quickly as possible, regardless > of the quality. Slap a $4.99 price tag on it, and anyone will buy it. It > hasn't always been like that. > > I am not one to rant on about "selling out" or "being too commercial" > (mainly because ZTT was as guilty of it as anyone else), but I do think > remixes have suffered because of the pressure to release them cheaply and > quickly to the masses. What is the purpose of the remix? In the eighties, all formats added to the charts figures - if you sold lots of 12"s you got a good chart record. In other words, if you had more different format with different mixes, you could get higher up on the charts and, as a result of this, sell even more records. Nowadays you can't "use" all formats - maximum 4 (css, cd1, cd2, 12" for example) will be "counted" for the charts. Another way to sell lots of records is to get the records played at clubs and discos - so you try to make remix that works on the dancefloor and that is in fashion. Neil Tennant of PSB once said (when asked about their boring dance remixes (this was circa 1993-4)) something like: We want our records to be played at discos. They didn't play our old extended mixes (which, at least here in Sweden, is/was true), but they play our new mixes (also true - at least in Sweden). I miss the old kind of extended remixes, but I think that they were part of the 80s dance culture. It's the nineties, and (unfortunately) this is what people seem to want to dance to. Henrik. Henrik Lundstroem (henrik.lundstrom@ylm.se) Philosophy student at University of Gothenburg, Sweden. Chemistry student at Chalmers University of Technology. Stalivari shout "HEUREKA!!" as the signal for invention par excellence Coming soon: http://www.chestud.chalmers.se/‾k94068/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Markus Arnold Subject: (ztt) 808 State Mondays Date: 21 Jan 1997 21:41:34 +0100 (MET) Hi ZTT list Following Monday (27 January) sees the (UK) release of various new 808 State material: - After promo and Japan-only releases, 'Lopez' should finally see it's commercial release as a single. - Monday also sees the release of a charity compilation featuring a contribution of 808 State themselves as well as another project of Andy Barker (808 State) called 'Atlas'. There are many other top-acts (also ex-808 man A Guy Called Gerald) on this compilation and it's for a good cause (homeless). 808 State: 'Mondays' 7:05 Atlas: 'Saynaha' 5:01 Title: FOUNDATIONS : THE BIG ISSUE LP Label: feedback.com - FCL 002 CD/MC/LP Formats: Double CD/Double Cassette/Double Vinyl Distributor: RTM Release: Monday, 27th January 1997 (UK) For further information see http://www.feedback.com/artists/audio/foundations/ Not forgetting that the new REM CD single 'Electrolite' features the 808 State remix of 'King of Comedy', previously only released on promo 12" (SAM REM1). To a happy Monday and a good 808 State year! Markus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: (ztt) RE: AON Drum & Bass Date: 22 Jan 1997 16:02:50 +0000 On Jan 20, 4:05pm, Blake Heinzeroth wrote: > Mark Wasiel Said: > > [...] > You're right, there were bad mixes in back then. I just think there was a > little more time and care put into the mixes in many cases (not all, > obviously). I agree, they put much more effort in catalysing the original song, stressing it's strengths and maintaining the initial character. And that was often good. But that doesn't imply doing the opposite is automatically bad, IMHO. Today the borders between artists/remixers/producers have virtually been vanished. This means, listening to a song from A remixed by B, is often more like a song from B (with legalized sampling from A). But what it comes down to at the end is whether you like a given track or not. That's the same as ever. I also agree there's a lot of crap out there - and a lot of superfluous remixes of originally good songs. But the opposite is also the case (good remixes from bad songs). So I'd say current remixing habits _itself_ aren't bad, but it's a pitty that old style extending isn't additionally continiued. > Just my $.02 (I guess that makes $.04 in the last two days :) Anyway, you're making us rich! Bye Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: (ztt) Switzerland (2) / Lounge Jays (808) Date: 22 Jan 1997 16:51:17 +0000 Hello! I had some luck getting two obscure records on Friday! Look here: * Switzerland: Switzerland 2 12": 1993 UK ([EasternBloc/PerfectSongs]: MEP 001) [ps; no copyright info] A: 8:41 Switzerland ["8:04"] AA: 7:11 Big Sur [Original Mix] ["7:15"] 7:08 Big Sur (Blue Silver & Green) ["7:15"] 'Written, produced and mixed by Switzerland Recorded at Sarm East, London Engineered by Ren Swan Assisted by Steve Fitzmaurice Mastered by Arron at The Master Rooms, London Midi and programming by Neale Johnson Special thanks to all at ZTT Switzerland is Martin Price Neale Johnson Steven Caton This EP is dedicated to the loving memory of Margaret Clare Price Published by Eastern Bloc Music/Perfect Songs Made in England 1993 MEP 001 Sleeve by Johnson/Panas' Sounds if it were some stuff from the ZTT era! Oh yeah, Martin Price seems to be a real Depeche Mode fan - again he's sampling them (on the last track). * Lounge Jays: Message-A-Rama / Sex Mechanic 12": 1989 UK (EMS 002T) [pre-release; no sleeve] A: 5:16 Message-A-Rama AA: 6:53 Sex Mechanic 'produced by 808 STATE featuring A Guy Called Gerald Pre-Release AN ANTI SMILEY CAMPAIGN made in the north of england' Very good for that year (which isn't exactly my favourite era of pop-music). Talking of 'pop'-music: On "Sex Mechanic" there's constantly a sample, which goes: 'come fuck me, do it to me'... That's it Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" Subject: (ztt) Drum & Bass listening reaction... Date: 22 Jan 1997 23:42:47 -0800 So I went out and bought the new Drum & Bass album, primarily because of this discussion. Here's my river of consciousness feelings as I listen to it for the first time. I'm not a reviewer, but I've listened to AON since I first bought "Into Battle" by accident back in 1983 (God, can it almost be 15 years!): Track 1: Something Always Happens Not bad, has a lot of the original's flavour. Starts off pretty weird, but about halfway through pulls in more of the original tune and gets better. Slow and quiet, the way it should be done with this song. Has the cool "The Art of Noise is WEIRD!" sample; gotta love that. Track 2: Ode to Don Jose Rename this track to "Oh, it's so Crappe". [Pause]. Sorry had to go throw up. Quote in album blurb says "Expect the unexpected". Should read "Expect the unexciting". Lots of bass and hi-hat percussion. Recording level is pretty bad on this; I nearly blew out my computer speakers on those high, tinny beats. Let's see, how do I program this off the play list.... Track 3: Art of Love Ooh, I'm going back in time. Heavy samples from the end of "In No Sense, Nonsense!" which always moves me to tears because it's so sad and always struck me as the AON's compline / farewell. It's not bad, but darn it, I want to pull out "In No Sense, Nonsense!" again... Track 4: Yebo Torn on this one; not close to original, but not bad in its own unique way. Very ethereal, if it lost the dominant drum line, you could play it on an X-Files episode. Some good bongo samples from "Camilla" and the "heh heh" laughs from Yebo. Too much gratuitous drum machine near the end; it's like come on guys, we've all heard drum machines before and it's not impressive when I can program MIDI tracks like this on my PC over lunch. Track 5: Opus 4 Looooong (9:20). More ethereal lead-in and a great ZTT "dreamy" line (is this from a Fairlight? Sorry, I'm not really a hardware guy.) Develops into a drum line, but not as gratuitous as #4; more melody here. Only wish is that they'd left it a little more ethereal and ignored the "Drum and Bass" theme; it does detract from the song near the end. Granted, if you love to sit at home on your deck, drink port and smoke cigars while thinking about life, this track ain't too bad. Track 6: Island Hard to describe. Too much repetitive drum machine. I skipped this track about halfway through; don't think I missed much. Seiji, the mixer, basically loops the same 6 seconds over and over and over and... Track 7: Camilla, The Old Old Story I expected a lot from this. Kudos for incorporating a fair number of samples and melodies from the original. Lots of drum machine, but not absolutely overwhelming. I wasn't excited by what I heard, but I wasn't turned off or pissed off. Track 8: Kiss Great opening with warped Tom Jones lyrics and an "outer space" melody. After a bit of this, it takes off with some funky beats that you know Warren Miller will be stealing for a ski segment this year. Stands pretty good on its own. I was very pleased with this mix. If you were going to drive a big old Cadillac down the street in a tough gang neighbourhood, this is the soundtrack you'd play. Track 9: Eye of a Needle More damned drum machine, but the rhythm is one of those "groovy" beats Yello has a lot (I almost expected them to break in with that deep voice going on about "Those legs. Those eyes. I couldn't stop looking even as I died." Lots of the 1950's-esque xylophone percussion in the background. Some great horns as well. Pretty good; I like this one. Track 10: Peter Gunn Utterly bastardised by "Flyright". Total desecration of an incredible song. Worth scratching your CD just to skip this shit. Doesn't sound anything like Peter Gunn; in fact I'll bet these Flies in the Ointment just shipped back some crap they had lying around the studio. Liner notes say they're 19-years-old, I say they have a lot of learning to do here. There's mixing, extending, and outright ignoring the source material. This is the latter and a complete waste. I was hoping for good things from this as I've always like Peter Gunn (have the 7" picture disk for this one; way cool). Absolutely, 100% disappointing. Do you get the feeling yet that I hate this track? Track 11: Crusoe Did I say lots of drum machine? Once they get past the intro, and introduce the (sampled) melody line, it gets much less abrasive. Sum: I'll listen to this album again and enjoy it, but not before I program a few tracks off the playlist. I know it's the Drum & Bass album, but there's just too much blatant drum machine crap in these mixes; that was ok in the early 80s when drum machines were new and cool, but come on. Some of these mixers need to learn about a melody line... The other beef I have with these remixes is how repetitive they are. There's a lot of looping on some of these songs. Even "modern" mixes are not this repetitive (witness the "Trouser Enthusiasts' Adventures Beyond the Stellar Empire" mix of Discoteca by the PSB. It weighs in at around 9 minutes but there's very little repetition on it.) You can handle a bit of repetition, but after 20 seconds or so, your brain is saying, "next already!". One song I've always missed on these mix albums is Legs/Legacy (god, what a great subway poster this single had!) Does anyone know if ZTT owns the rights to this song? I think a couple songs from In Visible Silence were brought over from ZTT, but can't remember which. Should you buy it? Tough call; this is a very "personal" album. I would definitely borrow a friends or try to listen to it several times. Those CD store "preview" stations can't do justice to an album like this, although for several of these songs, once you've heard the intro, you've heard the entire song. Would I buy it again? [hesitantly] Yeah. Tracks #1, 3, 7, 8, and 9 are pretty good. #5 and 11 are passable. Are they worth $14-16? Good question. I know one thing: listening to this album will have you reaching for your old AON albums for another go around. There are enough samples here to whet your appetite for the real thing which, for 10-15-year-old music, still sounds remarkably fresh. Regards, Ian Ianf@microsoft.com _____________________ "Looks as if we've stumbled onto something mighty strange," said Frank quietly. "A woman!" exclaimed Joe and Chet. "Yes," said Frank. "A woman..." The Hardy Boys discover hormones in The Hidden Harbor Mystery, original text, 1935, p46. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Soeren Larsen Subject: (ztt) 808 vs. MM Date: 24 Jan 1997 13:11:00 +0100 (MET) Hi Prodigiz UK magazine Melody Maker January 18, 1997 writes: The Prodigy and 808 State are among those who have got their hands on Art of Noise material on "The FonCQ Mixes, which is being issued by US company Discovery. ???? Re-release of the FON mixes or an Art of Noise remix collection no. 17. ???? And elsewhere: Chicago's GENE FARRIS' debut album ["The Fruity Green" Force Inc. Records] is a fruity little number, mixing up disco and house with Latino rhythms. Oh, and sampling Frankie Goes To Hollywood. PS. There`s also listed some live dates around the UK so I guess they`re on a UK tour at the moment..... || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| || | | || sorenl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kahlil Subject: (ztt) Record auction & sale Date: 26 Jan 1997 15:23:21 -0800 Sometimes collections get a little out of hand, which has prompted me to sell off some of my duplicates and things that just don't get listened to. Includes some ZTT stuff as well as other 80's material. Visit my web site at http://www.hevanet.com/kahlil/jtqframe.htm for the list and info. KGB. Note: This message also sent to the Men Without Hats and Yello mailing lists. I know many of you are on all of these, so I apologize for the multiple notices. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hugh Finney Subject: Re: (ztt) 808 vs. MM Date: 26 Jan 1997 22:15:44 -0800 > The Prodigy and 808 State are among those who have got their hands on Art of > Noise material on "The FonCQ Mixes, which is being issued by US company > Discovery. > > ???? > > Re-release of the FON mixes or an Art of Noise remix collection no. 17. > It's a re-release. Cat. #74107 Discovery Records. (warner music discovery inc.) (P)&(C) 1991 China Records Ltd. Dunno where they got the CQ from. -- junk@cruzio.com Hugh Finney I've lived a lot and I've seen a lot and now I'm just letting go. I could point my fingers at the same old wrongs. The ones that we all know. But I've no love to give or hate to take. I hope you understand. And then I hear. Go to sleep. Go to sleep. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Till Teuber (E-Mail)" Subject: (ztt) FGTH on VH1 Date: 27 Jan 1997 12:39:01 +100 Hi Frankie-fans! Every sunday night on german music-TV-channel "VH1" they are repeating "The Tube" from the 80's. Last night they were showing two legendary FGTH Tube-appearences: -Relax in Heaven (everything is fine) -Relax (with gogo girl) Perhaps there is some more Frankie in the tube in the upcomming programms. So stay tuned... Till # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Brown Subject: (ztt) West 4 confusion Date: 27 Jan 1997 13:38:02 -0800 (PST) In Charlie Daraghy's post from 11 Jan 1997, he mentioned including Art of Silence's "West 4 (Crowd Control Dub" on his personal compilation CD "Art of noise stuff not on cd." He says: > 17. ART OF SILENCE - West 4 (Crowd Control Dub) 8:30 probably my > favorite mix, from grey vinyl 12" very ambient and gets a jungle beat > near end. This to me sounds like a description of what is labeled on my black vinyl 12" as "West 4 (samples)." In fact, what I have is not what I would think a mix subtitled "samples" should sound like; it is more or less an ambient dub track that gets jungly near the end. It appears on the record I posted about on 26 July 1996: 1996 UK 12": Permanent AX12X1 [matrix AX003] West 4 (Man From Tooting mix) * West 4 [unlisted version, probably 7" mix] Giant Above West 4 (Samples) Furthermore, other references in the list archives to the Crowd Control Dub show it being on white vinyl, not grey. Can someone clear this up? What matrix number appears on the runout groove of the record thclaims to play the Crowd Control Dub? My guess is that it is AX003, which begs the question, does the *real* AX12X1 containing "West 4 (Samples)" actually exist? Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: Re: (ztt) West 4 confusion Date: 29 Jan 1997 17:22:02 +0000 On Jan 27, 1:38pm, Mike Brown wrote: > Subject: (ztt) West 4 confusion > [...] > Can someone clear this up? In the following, I am including a mail, which I sent to the list a while ago. *** Funniest thing: note the subject back then!!! *** : Subject: West 4 Confusion : Date: 12 Sep 1996 15:28:36 -0600 : : Here's the details to the West 4 records I have: : : * Art Of Silence: West 4 : : 12": 1996 UK (Permanent: AX12X1 {AX 003}) [neutral cover] : A: 10:06 West 4 (Man From Tooting Mix) : 4:40 [West 4 (Radio Edit)] - unlisted : B: 7:02 West 4 (Chiswick Mix) - mislabeled to be "Giant Above" : 8:31 West 4 (Crowd Control Dub) - labeled "(Samples)" : : 12": 1996 UK (Axiomattic/Permanent(/Vital): AX12X2) [title-stickered nc; : white-vinyl] : A: 8:31 West 4 (Crowd Control Dub) : B: 7:02 West 4 (Chiswick Mix) : 7:34 Giant Within : : CD5: 1996 UK (Axiomattic/Permanent(/Vital): AXCDS1) : 4:40 West 4 (Radio Edit) : 10:06 West 4 (Man From Tooting Mix) : 9:38 Giant Above : : -Joerg : Also, someone wrote about an earlier release of West 4 (think it was AX001) on grey vinyl! I have to search for the message at home, couldn't find it in the archives. Greetings Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joerg Fitzner" Subject: (ztt) Sexus - polyglot tasters Date: 29 Jan 1997 17:43:38 +0000 Hi! Found two promos for the new Sexus single: * Sexus: How Do You Kiss? 12": 1996 UK (ZTT/Warner: SAM 1909 {ZANG 86T A1}{ZANG 86T B1}) [promo; ps] A: 6:55 How Do You (English) Kiss? (Narcotic Thrust Kiss-A-Mix) B: 6:57 How Do You (French) Kiss? (Narcotic Thrust Kiss-Me-Quick-Mix) 12": 1996 UK (ZTT/Warner: SAM 1963) 'Sexus via Xenomania' [promo; ps] A: 6:22 How Do You (Spanish) Kiss? (Xenomania Club Mix) 6:02 How Do You (Greek) Kiss? (Xenomania Dub) B: 5:58 How Do You (Dutch) Kiss? (Xenomania Hero Dub) 6:16 How Do You (Russian) Kiss? (Xenomania Dub Instrumental) Much better than their first ZTT single, IMHO - at least all this remixes. This time it's produced by Stuart Crichton (also 1/2 of Narcotic Thrust). BTW: The 'Kiss-A-Mix' contains a kiss sample similar to the one on the 16min mix of Relax! Has anybody seen the commercial offering? Or another promo? The 12"es above have printed 'advance copy two' respectively 'advance copy three' printed on them... Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guido Vicari Date: 29 Jan 1997 18:42:20 +-100 I need help for finding the ACT cd Laughter, tears and rage. I live in Florence and here I can' t find it. I love them. Thank you for any help you will give me. Sorry for my english. Cheers Guido # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (ztt) Laughter Tears and Rage Date: 29 Jan 1997 15:54:19 -0700 (MST) > I need help for finding the ACT cd Laughter, tears and rage. I have a copy of it (and of the Hoodlum Priest album) up for auction. If you're interested check out: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Auctions/cdauction.html or email me with the subject "CD AUCTION" and the command "HELP" in the message. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 808boy <808boy@cracl.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: (ztt) West 4 confusion Date: 30 Jan 1997 09:28:43 GMT here's the details to the West 4 records I have: Art Of Silence: West 4 12": 1996 UK (Permanent: AX12) {AX 003} [PROMO] A: West 4 (Man From Tooting Mix) West 4 (Radio Edit) B: West 4 (Chiswick Mix) West 4 (Crowd Control Dub) > Also, someone wrote about an earlier release of West 4 (think it was AX001) on > grey vinyl! I have to search for the message at home, couldn't find it in the > archives. 12": 1996 UK (Permanent: AX001) [Ltd Edt Grey Vinyl] A: West 4 (sander's vision mix) West 4 (sander's vision on mix) B: West 4 (an axiomattic mix) hope this eases, rather than adds, to the confusion... ;-) laters. -- 808boy PS. is anyone on the list going to see 808state in London next week (Feb 5th). if you are, send me an email, 'cos it looks like i might end up going on my own... :-< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Antal van den Bosch Subject: (ztt) FGTH web pages - update Date: 30 Jan 1997 21:33:18 +0100 (MET) Hi all, The `Frankie Say No More' FGTH fan pages have a new URL (the old one will become obsolete soon so update to): http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/‾antal/fgth/ If you want to read about what Nasher has been up to the last couple of years, check out the new feature on the FGTH pages: Nasher gets e-interviewed and replies! Cheers, Antal # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark wasiel Subject: (ztt) 808 State Lopez, lowdown... Date: 31 Jan 1997 23:49:44 -0800 Picked up the new 808 State single at Virgin today. Nice mixes I must say. Here's the details: 808 State: Lopez (Metaphorically) ZANG 87 CD (0630-17584-2) 4:31 Lopez (Original) 6:23 Lopez (Metaphorically): re-guessed and re-timed by Brian Eno 6:44 Lopez (Hard On): a progressive mix by The Propellerheads 3:36 Lopez (No Regret - edit): an f.u. mix by 808 State 5:13 Lopez (Unregrettable): an i.f.u. mix by 808 State 808 State: Lopez (Mixed) [labeled 45 rpm but plays at 33 :(] ZANG 87 T (0630-17585-0) 3:36 Lopez (No Regret): an f.u. mix by 808 State 3:49 Lopez (Metaphorically - edit): [brian eno] 6:44 Lopez (Hard On) [propellerheads] I highly recommend this single. First of all, it is one of my favorite tracks off the album because it's so different and cool (gotta love that odd meter time-signature). Second, the sleeve design is great. The Cd sleeve is all black with a nice picture of a wish bone (inner sleeve too!). The 12" is much better though with a gradiated black to white background and the same wishbone (inner sleeve on this one too!). Third, the mixes are great. If you were wondering how this tracked would be remixed because of the weird time-signature than you should have guess that the track would be re-edited to 4/4 (wonderfully done by Brian Eno). For all their hype, the Propellerheads mix is the least interest (guest-mix wise). The 808 remix (unregrettable) is definitely i.f.u. (you guess at the words) and really cool. Is M@Maitland Paul Morley? The sleeve is really good. Also, no ZTT logo except on the CD itself. Instead the sleeve goes for a tiny and modest "ZANG TUUM TUMB" at the bottom. Very nice touch. Additionally, the song credit is now by "Wire/Bradfield/808 State". Is this the way it was before and is Wire the group Wire? The Thoughts of Don Solaris: #144 Solitude bides time #145 Each sun feels like the last Fig 284: Be careful what you wish for [87 CD] Fig 289: It may come true [87 CD & 87 T] Fig 293: Be careful what you wish for [87 T] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark wasiel Subject: (ztt) rehab single Date: 31 Jan 1997 23:50:39 -0800 The Rehab single was scheduled for release this week be we didn't get it at work and I haven't heard anything about it. Maybe it was delayed? Anyone know? mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.